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that will do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm dara brown. time now for my colleague kind is gibson. kendis gibson. it is 7:00 in the east, 4:00 on the west coast. it's day 27 of the impeachment inquir inquiry. the last 24 hours have been filled with rapid developments surrounding the president. let's bring you up to speed. >> "new york times" reports republican senate leader mitch mcconnell sees an impeachment trial quote all but inevitable. you heard on thursday acting chief of staff nick mulvaney admitting the president was
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involved in a quid quo pro and take it back later. >> mr. mulvaney gave a confession. his confession was the confession of the president. >> msnbc news is confirming guiliani attempted to secure a visa for the man at the center of the fake bind ukraine conspiracy theory. >> msnbc says it is now expanding. >> i think this is dangerous precedent and it also is an insult to the fbi, the cia, the national security council, all of the other agencies. >> republicans in congress are still looking to protect the president from the consequences of his actions. even as a new puig survey shows a majority of the americans, 54% approve of the house decision to conduct an inquiry. >> after intense criticism, president trump has reversed his g7 decision, announcing last night he would know longer host
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a summit at his doral resort. >> all right, so clearly, we have a lot to get through on multiple fronts on the impeachment probe with our team of reporters and analysts. we will begin with the breaking news right there. the president reversing course, now saying his south florida resort will longer host next year's g7 summit of world leaders. he made the announcement on twitter overnight, pinning the blame on democrats and the media. nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell has more on all of this. kelly, a lot of people are waking up to this knauss, trying to figure out what prompted this situation. >> reporter: part of why this is so striking, not only do we typically not see the president backing down on this, but the facts didn't change. he first began publicly talking about this in august at the end of this year's g7 which was hosted by france. of course, president trump becomes the next host in this rotateing conference of world leaders. he was asked where he might want to hold the event.
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he floated the idea of his doral property in miami and he touted all of its various facility, convenience, views and all of the things he thought would be ideal for this world scale event. now, nothing about that changed and nothing changed about the issue of people both domestically and even leaders around the world who would be attending, having concern about paying money to attend this event even if it's the basic travel costs and accommodations that would ultimately be in the president's pocket by very chew of his family owning this trump-branded property. so again none of that changed. on thursday, they officially announced they were going ahead with a june event next year at the doral and then there was the immediate and very expected criticism from democrats but also republicans who could not defend this. in part, because the cons stugs emollients cause specifically says that foreign money cannot
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be used to enrich a president personally. you can make the argument that when world leaders come to stay at an event, there are costs associated with that, if it's the trump family property, then by extension they would potentially profit. the white house tried to back that away saying the president would provide these facilities at no profit, at base costs. even that was not enough for certainly democrats or republicans to say it's just inappropriate so congress began as you would expect not only rejecting this but looking for ways to cut off the u.s. funding that would be required to stage an event of this scale. and the tipping point came late saturday night when the president announced on twitter saying that he thought he had been doing something good for the country and hosting at his own resort. he again cites the proximity to the airport. he again reading like a brochure, announces some of the features of his property. then says based on the media and
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democratic irrational hostility we will no longer consider the doral property for the g7. he also said he'd begin looking for a new site right away, including camp david. president obama used camp david for the g7, that, too, is curious, nick mulvaney and his announcement on thursday reminded everyone about camp david and took a few moments to say it was too small, it wasn't suitable. it wasn't a good place to hold it. so again nick mulvaney out there on the leading edge having them to walk back big information involving the trump white house, the president's personal businesses and how he is standing, not only domestically but how leaders around the world view this. okay, ultimately, this could have been another element in an impeachment inquiry if law makers believe the president was trying to profit from his office. >> kind of shocking. the facts have not changed on the ground. camp david is what it is, doral is what it is, now suddenly it
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is not going to be in south florida. kelly o'donnell for us at the house on this early sunday morning. thank you. well, joining me now, the national politics reporter for news day and abby livingston for texas tribune. welcome, ladies, emily, how surprising is it to see the president back down? >> reporter: very surprising. i want to underscore something kelly said. the fact that this the a rare and remarkable move by president trump who is a man who doesn't apologize, who doesn't acknowledge wrong-doing, who doesn't really show any real personal growth. for him to back down in the public shows he is affectled by the criticism particularly from members of his own party. when we think of other instances, whether it's inauguration crowd size or obama wiretapping oval office or hurricane hitting alabama, the trump in the past has gone so far as to fabricate evidence to
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make himself feel right even if he is wrong. this is very big, indeed. >> abby the president faced allegations that he used his office to enrich his own businesses throughout his presidency, he is facing a lawsuit that challenges his ownership of the luxury hotel that's just five blocks from the white house. but do you get a sense of the potential for conflict of interest? it was too flareing with this doral event that they had no choice but to back away from this one? >> i'm not sure if it's this situation that is the problem. i think that it came amid syria, amid this larger ukrainian investigation. i think there is a sense on the hill that the republican, i don't think this is widespread. but there was something of a breaking point of having to answer so many scandals all at once. i think we just to backtrack to nick mulvaney's news conference, obviously, ukraine took the headline. i think we should stop and remember, he is a government official and he went through. i never even heard of this
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resort until a few months ago, i cannot tell you that it has three golf courses. a government official and a taxpayer financed building, the white house, went through these things. i think we have gotten numb to those sorts of facts. the president maybe he could or could not have made money, the marketing would have been exponential. i think this is indicative of the harmer maelstrom around this president on so many different fronts. >> i am old enough to remember a couple years ago, kellyanne conway got a slap on the wrist for talking about trump's clothing on the property. how dare you had nick mulvaney talking about the golf courses and the multiple buildings there at doral so a little advertising in there as well. so emily, the doral reversal, that was a week of let downs you mate say. the washington post article yous trump has been weakened on virtually every front, whether
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it be on foreign policy, republicans, federal court rulings against him, all of this coming on the backdrop of the impeachment inquiry on day 28. how problematic is this for someone whose paramount concern really is to try i to show strength? >> problematic would be an understatement, indeed. it really is as abby put it a maelstrom of conflict. every front you see congressional branch standing up to him. and the under current of it all is the impeachment inquiry, which very much has him set on edge. we saw that reflected in the white house meeting he called with the congressional leadership, schumer and nancy pelosi coming out afterward, saying they were shaking saying he had acted out. this is going to be setting his mood going forward, really he could not be faced with more adversity on every front. >> yeah.
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our thanks to both of you. stay with us for a few more minutes. we'll get back to you. but now to the expanding investigation by the attorney general into the origins of the russia investigation. new nbc news rorthd here on the scope of it all, let's bring in nbc's ken delane my, one of the reporters behind this story. ken, welcome. where did you learn about where this investigation is right now and how its expanding? >> good morning, first i want to tell you the reason we began looking at this closely, the chief of staff nick mulvaney cited this investigation as the reason that donald trump offered what he described as a quid pro quo and trying to get the iranians to cooperate with it. it let us to ask the question, what is john durham is up to? we called william barr commissioned this review because he wanted to make sure there wasn't inappropriate spying on the trump campaign when the whole russian investigation got
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started. we found durham has asked to talk to some of the cia analysts behind the intelligence estimates showing russia attacked the 2016 election. they have had to hire lawyers. luckily they have an employee benefit the cia pays for. he asked to talk to former director john brennan and james clapper. this has gotten people concerned, no one understands what the factual and legal basis for this inquiry is, nor whether it's morphed into a criminal investigation. initially the justice department called it a review. now they are not commenting when they are asked whether this is a criminal investigation. i've also learned about some of the foreign trips that john brennan has taken with william bar tore interview foreign officials about what happened at the beginning of all this to the uk and italy. western intelligence official told us that there is nothing secret here. he's asking all the same questions you would find in right wing media. it's kind of a conspiracy theory
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tour that a guy george papadopoulos a trump campaign aid made allegations that he was set up overseas. what is what john durham is asking ability. the "new york times" is out with reporting saying he interviewed dozens of fbi officials involved in the beginning of this investigation. he appears to be hunting for some sign of bias. what we don't know is whether he found anything. everybody i have talked to said they are aware of no evidence of wrong dock or inappropriate behavior at the heart of this investigation. >> do we get a sense of where the investigation is at this point? are we mid-way through or is this just the tipping point? >> well, we learned that he has, durham has expanded his staff and expanded the time frame he is examining to include a period when donald trump was president and it appears to be you know somewhat pretty far along. he's interviewed a lot of people. yet it appears to have a lot of
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road to go. because he hasn't interviewed we learned some of the key figures, including andrew mccabe, the acting fbi director deeply involved in this. james bakke ter former fbi counsel, rod rosenstein, who is overseeing the whole mueller investigation. so if durham is continuing this to the end, he appears to have a long way to go. >> some key figures are out there. our thanks to you on this sunday. let me turn back to emmy and abby. abby, you heard that reporting right there. what stand out to you from what this, where this investigation stands right now? >> i think it's what ken just said about that there is a long way to go. i mean we are about to enter into an election year. whenever this comes out, it could influence the election. it may or may not. but it will be a political issue. also, this is much like other issues, whether it's in congress or elsewhere, republicans are investigating or criticizing the process of an investigation.
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and so i -- those are the two things that jumped out to me most strikingly. >> all right. let me move on. emily, to some of your newly reporting and your latest piece, bernie sanders. he's back on the company trail as we saw yesterday after suffering a heart attack a few weeks ago, now he's formally received the endorsement from the congresswoman from new york aoc. talk about this impact of the endorsement it may or may not have on his campaign? >> it at the very lowest sees voters, particularly left of center, there is more than one choice of progressive candidates in the field, even though elizabeth warren is very far ahead employing even with her ahead of joe biden, that there is still another liberal who could be a good choice for them. and it shows also a little slinging of the coalition, of the progressive coalition if
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alexandria ocasio-cortez and ilhan omar and locals in new york city are falling in line behind bernie sanders, it shows he's not quite out of the race yet. >> he is certainly the front runner when it comes to fundraising at this point. leave it there, we have covered a lot. thank you. now to the breaking news from overseas. specifically hong kong, where anti-government protesters and those protests have turned violent. police again firing tear gas as protesters lit fires. nbc is in hong kong. this is the 20th weekend of this. does it seem to be increasing or do police try i to crack down on this? >> reporter: well, it has fallen into this pattern where even if a protest is organized, it eventually digresss to confrontation between protesters and police. protesters have been setting barricades, setting fires.
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they have been collecting make-shift weapons of sorts, preparing for confrontation. police, meanwhile, are trying to disburse them by using tear gas and water cannons to send them in different directions. what we've noticed over the past several weeks is that the police threshold to tolerance is much lower. they move much more swiftly in deploying the tear gas and other things such as rubber bullets and grenades in order to disburse, you see an ambulance going down this road, the police are down there, that is actually where the protests began, two tiles i miles down, a thousand protesters made it up this very popular road. this whole area is at a stand still, there are protesters in every direction. traffic is blocked and police are also warming on both sides
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to try to break it out. >> another weekend of violent protests there in hong kong. police are trying to crack down. but so far those protesters are continuing to take to the streets there. thank you. a new word this morning, on where u.s. troops in northern syria will be heading. and it appears to contradict what president trump said. that's next. o contradict what president trumpai sd. that's next. ♪ a wealth of information. a wealth of perspective. ♪ a wealth of opportunities. that's the clarity you get from fidelity wealth management. straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. fidelity wealth management. to help you grow and protect your wealth. could another come aroundot, the corner. or could it play out differently? i wanted to help protect myself.
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we are back now with breaking news on the u.s.-brokered cease-fire between turkey and kurdish fighters. and a change of plans for u.s. troops in syria. the defense expert mark esper says american troops are leaving syria but aren't coming home. that's different than what the president said just three days ago. >> the plan is to fet out of endless wars, to bring our soldiers back home, to not be policing agents all over the world. >> the kurd game plan is for those forces to reposition into western iraq -- yeah the ones coming out, right that original 1,000 and then to two missions one is to help defend iraq, two is to perform a counterisis mission as we sort through the next steps. >> well, turkey's president is set to meet vladimir putin on tuesday. he wants all kurdish troops out
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of syria, saying his plan so to resettle 2 million refugees there displacing the kurds, hundreds lined up for food and aid as fighting came to a pause in one kurdish town. about a quarter million people fled their homes during the fighting. erin mclaughlin joins us near the turkey-syrian border. what more are we learning from the withdraw and what those troops will be doing in iraq? >> reporter: well, first let me tell you what's happening here near the border. in the last half hour or so, we have seen some activity. i want to let the camera pan to my right in the distance there you can see smoke out of nowhere, seemingly. we heard a very loud bang, something that sounded louder than the sporadic mortar fire we have been hearing in recent days and a white plume of smoke that
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has turned black. we have seen recently drone activity in this area. we are trying to figure out what happened there and the impact on a fragile cease-fire under way, today being a critical day for that cease-fire. a kurdish official saying they have plans to withdraw from the city behind me and turkish military saying they are going to let that happen. not only let that happen, they are facilitating it by providing the united states with a list of safe roads. this as the united states is pulling its troops out of this region. take a listen to what the defense secretary had to say, saying that this will take weeks, not days. take a listen. >> the u.s. withdraw continues a pace from northeast syria again. we're talking weeks, not days. we want to be very deliberate and very safe as we go about it and it's happening through a
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variety of means. we are using helicopters or fixed wing aircraft or ground convoys. >> reporter: meanwhile, in terms of the humanitarian situation there, we have gotten word from our sources that an aid convoy has arrived at the hospital. the second such convoy in as many days and are starting to evacuate the wounded. >> erin, as we look at that picture right there and those in the plumes of smoke that we are seeing that particular area, i'm curious, was that area targeted initially when there was fighting? >> reporter: this has been a flash point throughout the conflict. not only that, it is also a part of the cease-fire arrangements that was brokered by the united states. and under that agreement, all kurdish forces need to be withdrawn from the area by the end of five days. and if that doesn't happen, president erdogan just yesterday making it very clear that he
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will quote crush the heads of any kurdish fighters remaining. which is why today is such a critical day given that the kurds are saying they are trying to evacuate their forces from the city. >> if it is a cease-fire, as the tender cease-fire there in turkey and syria, that cease-fire brokered by the u.s. our thanks to you there. let's bring in a professor of international relations at the london school of economics. and as you take a look at that picture right there that we saw from northern syria, it does appear as if this cease-fire isn't sticking at all. >> not at all. the cease-fire has been repeatedly violated and both sides sadly accuse each other of violating this cease-fire. i this i the crux of the matter is that the kurds who are besieged in the city, they have many wounded.
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they have been trying desperately to get the wounded out of the city and also to get medical supplies. sadly and tragically the turks and the allies are sitting in a position that have prevented medical convoys from coming to us. now we have information that they are beginning to evac what it the city. so really the center, the nerve center, of the cease-fire -- [ inaudible ] and the kurds have today made it very clear that they were going to evacuate and pull out of this so-called safety zone that turkey insists on establishing in northeastern syria. so we have to wait and see at the end of the day whether the evacuation takes place. >> knowing erdogan and this region in particular, what do you think will happen come tuesday when that cease-fire expires? >> look, let me be -- don't focus on washington. you are wasting your beth if you are focusing on what the white house or trump is doing.
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what's going to happen on tuesday is the meeting between the russian president putin and the turkish president erdogan will determine the future of northeastern syria. putin now is the king maker of not only northeast syria but syria period. and what president trump has done when he decided to pull out american forces from northeastern syria, he provided northeastern syria on a silver matt tore president putin. it was a great gift and i am sure president putin appreciates president trump's repeated gifts eun new laterally without any returns in this matter. >> you know, the president originally said his region for pulling out the 1,000 or so troops from northeast syria was so that we can bring them home. no more endless wars. now we learn overnight those soldiers are going to iraq. so what's really at play? >> well, i mean, i was really
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basically when i heard basically polusi -- pelosi, making, explaining why the confrontation with president trump in the white house meeting. she asked them, why did you pull american troops from northeastern syria while you are sending 3,000 american troops to saudi arabia? so trump's response really shows clearly his mindset. he said the saudis are paying for it. so it's for this president, it's all about money and money and money. and from my point of view, it's pity that the kurds have only paid in blood not money. obviously, president trump i mean value% money as opposed to the great sacrifice that have been made by the kurds almost 12,000 casualties fighting alongside american troops against isis.
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>> if that's the case, it's a sad state of affairs for our country and the world. thank you. the legal situation surrounding the president's personal attorney just got more complicated. analysis next. more complicated. analysis next. we're oscar mayer deli fresh and you may know us from... your very first sandwich, your mammoth masterpiece. and...whatever this was. because we make our meat with the good of the deli and no artificial preservatives. make every sandwich count with oscar mayer deli fresh. doctor bob, what should i take for back pain? before you take anything,
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. we are back with a look at the morning headlines. these are live pictures from the streets of hong kong. this is what's happening right now on a sunday night 7:33 in the evening. tens of thousands of anti-communist protesters define a ban to walk through one of hopping congress's prime districts. they have shut down a rail station there. you can see they have shut down many street as well. they are flashing with the streets. they have increasingly turned violent. the marches began in opposition as to what is a since scrapped bill allowing expeditions to mainlined china. it has expanded to include calls for greater democracy. they want the leader of hong kong to re59. she has not. you can see the scenes right there. we will continue to keep an eye on the situation there.
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police are still cracking down a little bit. not heavy handed. also breaking, the remnants of norm ne tropical storm nester. bringing heavy rain and strong winds, damaging dozens of homes, peeling off roofs, knocking down power lines. >> it sounded like a freight drain. i had no idea the damage was extensive until we opened up the door. >> along the coast, one of the biggest concerns for storm surge, who ill the storm's path stretched for hundreds of miles, there are no reports of serious injurie injuries. the yankees lose. the houston astros are going to the world series.
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jose altuve's home run, won game six of the championship series after the bronx bombers tied the game the 9th ining. it was back and forth for a little while. they will that is the washington nationals on tuesday. the first time washington is going to the world series in its history. it will be funments so the house is ramping up its impeachment inquiry into president trump with seven depositions scheduled this week. this comes after a busy week of testimony from four former and current trump administration officials. joining me now the professor of law at new york law school and former district attorney and glen kirshner, legal analyst and prosecutor. glen, there was a lot that took place this past week, as i mentioned, any, several former and current administration officials were there on capitol hill. you see them there. what was your biggest take away?
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>> i think the biggest take away is we can put the witnesses into a couple of different categories. some of the witnesses are complying with subpoenas. they're marching into the depositions and they're testifying for hours and hours presumably they're being fully forthcoming. the fiona hill, the ambassadors, yovanovitch, george kents. whether sondland was forthcoming is anybody's guest. let's look at the rudy guiliani's of the world saying i'm not producing documents, i'm not complying with subpoenas, i'm not testifying. you know that tells us something, when i encounter that as a 30-year prosecutor, that screamed consciousness of guilt. that's what rudy guiliani is contending with. his associates, perhaps co-conspirators, the from youmans on the parnas' of the world are already locked up.
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you have to believe rudy is looking over his shoulder to see if somebody might be coming for him. >> you heard all the testimony that took place this week. which one do you think had the greatest impact? >> you think altogether there are basically two narratives developing. the first one is that the career officials were being pushed out of the way in favor of individuals like guiliani who are taking over and conducting a kind of shadow foreign policy the second question, which i think there is less testimony on is a quid pro quo. that was sondland's testimony about the exchange of the meeting in washington, it was very valuable for president zelensky and his willingness to conduct this investigation into the bidens. so i'm looking at those two narratives that are developing and looking forward to see how either or both of them develop next week. >> glen, i was talking with a congressman just yesterday from new york. he was saying he listened to sondland's testimony and thought he lied through his teeth.
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would that surprise you? >> you know, it did sound like from the reports we got sondland was willing to kind of give up other people. it sound like he was involved in a lot of minimizing his own misconduct. i can tell you when we have witnesses who are exposed, who have done some wrong, that's not unusual, they often try to minimize their own conduct. the problem is, that compromises their testimony as a whole. because if you are fought willing to be forthcoming about where you maybe did a little wrong. then how can anybody have confidence in the credibility of your testimony when you are pointing the finger at others? now i think what is going to save the day here is sondland is not going to be a critical witness on what was going on between trump and the ukraine because we already have the call summary where trump is saying in essence i'd like you to fabricate dirt on my political opponent joe biden and his sons,
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if you do, perhaps we will give you the aid that congress has allocated to help you combat russian aggression. >> rebecca was talking about guiliani earlier, even all that we are learning, do you think we will be seeing more or less of guiliani going forward? he's been fairly quiet on twitter over the last three days? >> yeah, i think he's become central. it's hard for him to ignore the fact that he has become central to this investigation. the critical question is, why was he even involved in the ukraine to start with? i mean, central, his central role as president trump's personal attorney. so he's ethically obligated to pursue trump's personal interest. >> that means wherever the united states' interests diverge with that of president trump guiliani is going to be looking out for president trump. >> that itself is damming. even if none of these other facts pan out, why was his personal attorney who has obligations to him involved in an area in which the united
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states too interests are concerned. >> thank you guys for being here. bernie sanders returns to the campaign tral with a little help from his friends. why aoc says she endorsed him. a. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424. o♪ ozempic®! ♪ oh! oh! (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7 and maintained it. oh! under 7? (announcer) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study,
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economic justice, racial justice, social justice, and environmental justice. to put it bluntly, i am back! >> i totally thought he was going to say david justice next after that. senator bernie sanders there officially returning to the campaign trail at a massive rally in new york city yesterday. nearly three weeks after having a heart attack. the senator bringing along a big enforcement. the freshman congresswoman, alexandria ocasio-cortez, joining me now nbc chad brewster, he was at that big event. we were talking yesterday 25,000 people there according to campaign. how is the campaign feeling now following that event? >> they say they are feeling really good. if you look at this video, i believe we have it there. the video i tweet fareed a high angle. you see how many people were
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there. the campaign says about 25,000 people showed up yesterday at that rally. this, of course, was the first rally that senator sanders has had sense he was off the trail and side line fareed his heart attack. that's the video there i was referring to. you see the vast swaths of people there. this is the first rally he had since he returned to his trail, this is the largest gathering of people in this primary field so far. definitely an impressive number. all this boosted by the endorsements he has been rolling out. we learned congresswoman ilhan omar and followed by michael moore. the headliner, of course, was representative alexandria ocasio-cortez who really gave an impassioned introduction to senator sanders. she said this entire democratic field has been the strongest field we've seen and much of it is in part to the embrace of ideas that bernie sanders has been fighting for his entire life. ideas like medicare for all,
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healthcare, government programs she was relying on as she was growing up, as she was a child. it was definitely an impassioned speech. >> she just turned 30. just thinking of that she's also teamed up with elizabeth warren over the last year or so on a number of different causes. you got to speak to aoc yesterday. so why has she picked bernie instead of the senator from massachusetts? >> reporter: a great question. this is something that came, the endorsement came as senator sanders was in the hospital. that's within she called him as he was recovering and gave him his support -- gave him her support. excuse me. >> i hear you. >> that's when that support came. they also met in burlington back in september. so this has been in the works for some time. but i got to ask that question. because we've seen congresswoman aoc and elizabeth warren, senator elizabeth warren team up before on legislation. there has been twitter banter.
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they've had meals together. listen to what she says when i asked her that question? why not senator warren? >> well you know i think it's not -- this isn't about why not her? because we all are on the same team, as i said, senator warren, senator sanders, myself, we represent and i think we hope to uplift the progressive wing of the democratic party. >> so you see she's saying they're all on the same team. it's still, there is still good feelings between them. remember aoc volunteered for senator sanders back in 2016. that was her giving her time. now she's giving her endorsement. it is still a major boost to this campaign. >> it's a boost. you can see from the excitement that you had there in long island city of queens yesterday. thanks to you, man. all right, my next guest called nick mulvaney's news conference this past week a prize winner. chris whipple joins me next. ahead on "up" with presidential candidate corey booker will be
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conference just a few days ago. >> did he also mention to me in the past that the corruption related to the dnc server? absolutely. no question about that. but that's it. that's why we held up the money. i have news for everybody, get over it. there is going to be political influence in foreign policy. >> they are now selling get over it t-shirts. chris, thanks for being here on this sunday. in the history of disastrous appearances by white house chiefs of staff. how damaging was that for the president and for himself? >> well, you know, it really was a disaster. and kendis, i couldn't help hearing you say you're old enough to remember kellyanne conway a couple yearsing a. i'm old enough to remember ron ziegler, richard nixon's press
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secretary who famously said after one of his lies, no statement is no longer operative. what we have is mick mulvaney essentially saying his entire press conference is no longer operative. he is walking it all back from the doral, to ukraine. and it's just chaos. but this is what you get when you have a white house chief of staff with whose philosophy is simply to let trump be trump. you've got senior advisers led by mulvaney who really frankly comprise a cult. they will not tell the president hard truths. mulvaney should have thrown his body in front of that press conference instead of going out there and doing it. they will not tell the emperor that he has no clothes. and that's where we are. >> how do you get to the point where you have this sort of press conference and it just becomes this free-wheeling discussion for 39 men's?
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isn't this discussed beforehand, at least with normal white houses. . >> well, there is nothing normal about this white house. one would think, even in this white house, that he must have consulted with others before he went out there. clearly this came as an unpleasant surprise to jay sekulow, among others. and as andy card said the other day, clearly mulvaney had to eat a big dish of crow after the act. my guess is mulvaney, in the next 48 hours if he doesn't get tweeted out of his job, he will muddle through. the reason is this is much more fund memory than mick mulvaney. this is a president who has no understanding what the white house chief of staff does, who has no interest in a white house chief who tells him what he doesn't want to hear. >> you have the doral reversal. it is really just a series of letdowns for the president.
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the article in the "washington post" pointing out trump has been weakened on every front from foreign policy, the standing on republicans. all of this coming in the midst of impeachment. >> as i said before, i was around during watergate. i was a college intern at the time on capitol hill. this remind me of the summer of '74. things can change in a hurry. and we're seeing an awful lot that is not good news for donald trump. >> all right. we'll leave it there. chris whipple, thank you. next on "up", more on trump's season of weakness. and new questions about whether his own party will still have his back. ll still have his back pacifica: ted! goin' oneighbor: yes. takin' it off road station wagon? you know it's an suv! i know for fact your suv does not suck. why is that? it ain't got that vacuum in the back! we got to go. ♪ vacuum in the back, hallelujah! ♪
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it's time for "up". >> this is "up". i'm jonathan cape heart in for david gura. after getting almost universally slammed, the president now since his doral golf resort will no longer host next year's g7 summit. he is blaming the dems and the