reversing his decision to not have the g7 summit in his private resort in doral and move it now to camp david. what is your reaction to that announcement, sir? >> i think this is just another example. the president daring this country to uphold the constitution. you know, and also trying to normalize the kind of corruption that has become endemic throughout his administration. and it met its match at least in the court of public opinion. the pushback so strong. the law breaking so obvious that he had to withdraw. but as you have pointed out before, and i think as we all know, this is only one very small part of a much larger problem of this president's criminality and the need for our institutions, most importantly congress right now, to be able to uphold the constitution, to defend this country against this

president and to make sure that we come through this okay. so this is just one of many, many problems that we've got with the administration. but an example of how lawless this president is. >> do you buy the president is actually as a result of pressure, media pressure and political pressure, some of the criticism over the past couple of days. is the real reason he reversed his decision about that given that he's been under pressure from media and politicians in the past. he never seems to have reversed a decision like this? >> you know, who knows, right? only the president could answer that question. but i got to tell you. i think that people are standing up. even if their elected representatives in some cases, these republican members of congress aren't doing the right thing, their constituents are going to force them to do the right thing. and we've seen examples of this in the past. more than a year ago, the president announced a very cruel zero tolerance pols the border

where 100% of children arriving with their parents from central america were taken from their families, separated, caged and put into a tent camp in torneo, texas, among other places. and the public response, more than a thousand people showing up within 24 hours of those kids being placed in that camp. i think it helped to form the political will to force the administration to change that policy. now that tent camp at torneo no longer exists. that's just one small but important example of the power of political will and public pressure and the public sentiment. more important than ever right now. so everyone who is out there marching or calling their senators or members of congress out there on social media, that stuff works. and we've got to keep it up. >> let's talk a little bit. you brought up the issue of congress' oversight in checking the president's criminality here. let's talk about impeachment and then switch on to 2020 issues.

it's been a whirlwind of impeachment inquiry steps taking place. 12 subpoenas issued. four closed door depositions. two closed door transcribed interviews. 53 hours of testimony behind closed doors with six witnesses coming in. some key ones as well. do you feel the impeachment inquiry is moving at the right pace or should it be slowed down and more facts gathered from what you're seeing now. >> i definitely don't think it needs to be slowed down. many of us for years have been able to see clearly that the president needs to be impeached. going back to his candidacy, inviting a foreign government, russia, to involve themselves in our election. after being sworn in, seeking to obstruct justice to lie to investigators, to fire the principal investigators, to cover up his phone call with zelensky and then out in the open to ask china to involve themselves in this race as well. perhaps in exchange for a more

favorable trade deal and a reduction of the tariffs. so i think we have the necessary evidence. i appreciate the deliberate process that the house is taking to make sure that they marshal all the facts, that they present them to the public, that they present them to the members of the u.s. senate who will be conducting the trial on the president's culpability. but, look, the very future of this country, our democracy, the constitution that every member is sworn to uphold and defend, all that is on the line right now, and they must pursue their duty. and that includes those republican members who have got to put this country ahead of their party, ahead of their -- the president of their party and ahead of their next election. this is a moment that will define america forever. >> to that point, are you concerned if it moves quickly, the way mitch mcconnell says if he gets an impeachment, articles of impeachment by thanksgiving that he can try to move forward with, you know, whatever kind of legal process he wants to have at the senate in terms of a

trial that this thing could be wrapped up by january. the president feels he's been exonerated by impeachment as the 2020 race heats up? >> you know, my faith is in the people of this country. and though you're right to question the motives of mitch mcconnell who in 2016 was warned about what the russians were doing to our democracy chose politics and political expediency over this country, our constitution and our democracy. i think the constituents of those members of the senate, as these facts become clearer to them, will insist on justice and accountability. because they understand that the alternative is to set a precedent where some people are really above the law in this country. and the moment that we do that is the moment that we've turned our back on justice. that we've turned our back on this democracy and we lose this idea of america forever. and i know that the people of this country understand that. they will force their senators,

including those republican senators to do the right thing. and it gets back to this idea that i brought up earlier. the power of public sentiment. and the popular will. and making sure that our voices are heard, certainly at the ballot box in november 2020 but right now on the 20th of october, making sure all of us are heard in terms of how important this moment is and we've got do the right thing while we still have time. >> let me play you sound bite from francis rooney talking about considering impeachment. watch this exchange. >> the president was saying no quid pro quo. i give the guy the benefit of the doucts. i was hearing all the testimony at the impeachment hearing and there was a clear quid pro quo admitted to by his chief of staff. all the things we continue to hear more about giuliani, rick perry and stuff, creating some rump, nonprofessional diplomatic channel, i just don't believe in that kind of stuff. >> are there other republicans who are perhaps open minded to coming over to your side on this

but aren't saying it right now? >> i hope so. i hope so. >> have they said that to you? have they talked to you about that? >> not in so many words. >> do you believe the republican red wall, so to speak, that the president shielded himself behind is beginning to crack on this issue of impeachment? do you have confidence that as you say, the people of this country may put pressure on the republican senators. but do you believe they'd actually consider this the way we just heard from gop francis rooney? >> i do because i really believe in this country. when it's all on the line, when the stakes couldn't be any higher, this country will come through. and it always has. it takes us awhile sometimes. it can be frustratingly slow. we've seen too much criminality and impunity from this president. but there will be a reckoning. and i think that someone who has mastered the lie -- donald trump -- the obscenity so large and so obvious and so often repeated that we can be tempted to believe it or become innerd

to it. the counter to that is our faith in one another in this country. our constitution and doing the right thing while we still have time to do the right thing. so i think the power of people will be expressed through their representatives. but it's just incumbent upon every one of us to stand up right now and be counted. there's no waiting for tomorrow or the next election even. the pressure must be applied right now. and i am seeing that and i'm feeling that and i'm hearing that all over the country as i travel the country. people want to make insure that we come through at this moment of truth. >> let's switch gears and talk about the 2020 race and also some important news coming out of the middle east and that is the situation in syria. if you were the commander in chief of our armed forces, what would you do differently than what we have seen the president do in terms of claiming to at least withdraw troops from syria. not really doing it, just deploying them to iraq, but what would you do differently about

the situation in syria right now? >> i never would have turned this country's back on our allies because not only does it dishonor our commitment to the kurds who, as you know, have fought on our behalf and significantly reduced the number of u.s. service members we needed to have in syria because they're willing to do so much on our part. i would never allow a treaty ally like turkey to go against one of our allies on the ground, of russia, of assad, of isis, which is exactly what's happened. this president has diminished not only our standing around the world but our security and our safety as americans. to renew these alliances and these friendships is fundamental to renewing our strength and our security and our standing around the world. and so that's what i would focus on.

i would make sure that we once again welcome the democracies. our treaty allies. our friends. and rethink these relationships that donald trump has forged with strong men and dictators and authoritarians all over the world, whether that is erdogan, whether that is putin, whether that is al sisi or muhammad ben sal mann. all of this is in large part to the foreign policy of donald trump. >> you, sir, drew some criticism earlier this week about make something comments regarding tax exemption for religious organizations. there are some within your own party who disagreed with your position. let me pose that question to you once again. do you believe that religious organizations in this country should be denied tax benefits, tax breaks, exemptions if they do not agree to perform same-sex marriages or clarify that position for us.

>> the answer to the direct question that you just asked is, no. i see tremendous value in what religious institutions do in this country, not just for their congregants and parishioners but what they do in our communities. enunciation house, a catholic charity in el paso which provides shelter to asylum seekers and refugees. has facilitated the reunification of these separated families on our border. they should be able to do that work and any one of us should be able to worship as we please, believe what we like, but the moment that any nonprofit organization in this country offers services in the public sphere, higher education is a great example or a health care clinic or hospital, then they must follow the laws of this country, including the law that prohibits discrimination based on any difference of race,

ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, which is the question i was asked at that cnn town hall. that is a longstanding value and certainly since 1964 in the civil rights act, a longstanding law in this country. and so i want to make sure we enforce those laws and that we fight for every single person in this country to be treated with justice, with dignity, with respect, with equality under the law. so i'm going to make sure that those continue to be our values in this country. that we uphold the law but also respect the freedom to pursue your religious beliefs as you see fit. >> let me ask you, sir, about bernie sanders and where you fit in the political spectrum of the candidates running right now. he racked up an endorsement yesterday from congresswoman aoc here in new york. let's talk about the issue of health care for a moment and where you stand on this particular debate about medicare for all. do you believe in medicare for

all with a right for citizens, american citizens to retain private insurance if that is what they want? and if so, how do you differentiate yourself from other candidates who have also claimed that stake? >> my plan is medicare for america which would enroll everyone who is uninsured today in medicare tomorrow. everyone who is insufficiently insured. we know so many cannot afford their co-pay or bridge their deductible. they could elect to move into medicare. but those who have an insurance plan they like that works for them and their families, i'm thinking especially of members of unions who fought for, negotiated for those plans, sometimes in lieu of wage increases or other earned benefits. they're able to keep them because it works for them. so to the goal of universal, guaranteed, high-quality health care, this is the best possible path to achieve it. it gets everyone there and it

respects the decisions that our fellow americans make. >> let me ask you, finally, about some controversy brewing within the democratic race. former front-runner, obviously nominee hillary clinton, saying that tulsi gabbard is a russian asset. and saying that she could possibly even be cultivated as a third party candidate. you came out and you actually disagreed with that. let me play you this sound bite from what you said to the hill earlier. >> tulsi is not being groomed by anyone. she's her own person. obviously has served this country and continues to serve this country in uniform in congress as a candidate for the presidency. and so i think those facts speak for themselves. >> is it helpful when you have the former nominee of your party criticizing another presidential candidate in the way that she did? >> you know, i think the focus has to be on donald trump. if we're talking about the country of russia, there is a russian asset in the white house right now. we know -- and we all saw it in

broad daylight. candidate trump inviting vladimir putin to invade and be involved in our elections, which he did. and then we saw president trump, after he'd been sworn in on that stage in helsinki, finland, defending vladimir putin, instead of our intelligence community. we learned after the mueller report, his lies, his pressure on other witnesses to lie on his behalf all for this country. and, obviously, the list goes on. so i think that's where we as democrats, really we as americans, need to be focused right now. holding that president accountable. making sure that the truth comes out. that we follow the facts as high as they go, as far as they lead, and at the end of the day that there be justice, rule of law and a continuation of this democracy and this great country. all of that is on the line. >> fair enough. let me go back to the regular question. did hillary clinton make a mistake by going after a

candidate that was running for president from within your party? democrats are very quick to criticize when president trump smears any of them and they defend their candidates, but in this case, it's coming from within the party from a former nominee without any evidence. so i'm giving you a chance to answer that? did she make a mistake in going after tulsi gabbard? >> you played my response just a second ago. and i stand by that response. but again, i think i could play into this false media narrative that seeks to pit democrats against one another over a spurious allegation, or we can focus on the fact that there is a russian asset in the white house right now doing the bidding of a foreign power against the interests of america. i think that's the focus for this country. and that's where i remain focused as a candidate. >> fair enough. beto o'rourke, presidential candidate, thank you for your time this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up -- the very latest on what's happening in syria from on the ground. that's next.

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the current game plan is for those forces to reposition into western iraq to -- >> all of them? >> yeah, the ones coming out. that original 1,000. and then to -- two missions. one is to help defend iraq and two is to perform a counter-isis

mission as we sort through the next steps. >> new overnight defense secretary mark esper, as you just heard, now saying a thousand u.s. troops previously stationed along syria's northern border will be redeployed to western iraq to fight istlis. esper's announcement comes amid clashes along the syrian border, despite a u.s.-brokered cease-fire as the americans are calling it announced by mike pence on thursday. joining me is nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin live on the northern part of the turkey/syrian border. give us a quick check on the reality on the ground. what's happening on the military and humanitarian front and whether this cease-fire is actually sticking. >> well, there's some good news for the cease-fire at the moment. we just heard from volunteers that an aid convoy was able to make its way today to the city

behind me, ras al ain to the hospital which was in desperate need of additional supplies and help. and to evacuate several dozen of the wounded. also we understand from volunteers that among the wounded were wounded kurdish fighters. the convoy has also successfully now left the city as well. and that is seen as a good thing as part of the cease-fire agreement that was brokered by the united states. sort of the outstanding question of the day at the moment is are kurdish fighters within the city evacuating? we spoke to kurdish sources earlier today. they said that a plan was in place for forces to evacuate today. we checked in with the turkish defense ministry. they said they would not prevent that from happening. they also said they provided the united states with a list of safe roads to facilitate the evacuation. a key question there being what about the turkish-backed militia

that are operating in this region? there was a lot of concern from kurdish sources that they might try and prevent an evacuation. those turkish-backed militia having elements of isis and al qaeda. former isis and al qaeda elements, according to u.s. sources. it's unclear at this point just how much control turkey has over those elements that are operating in this area. so all those questions are outstanding at this point. it's past 5:00 p.m. we are checking with our sources, but it's really seen as critical at this point, especially given what turkish president erdogan had to say yesterday. he said he would crush the heads -- that's a direct quote -- of any remaining kurdish fighters that were in this area past that five-day cease-fire period. >> let's talk about the turkish president, how he is portraying all of this to his domestic constituents. there's the sense here in the u.s. that president trump somehow miraculously brokered a deal that had been in the works

for many years. he's celebrating it as a deal or a success that only he could have delivered. but it does not seem from a turkish perspective that the turks have compromised on anything. so give us a gut check on how the turkish president, president erdogan, is portraying this inside turkey. >> well, president erdogan is being very clear in his message so far. essentially he's saying that turkey is abiding by the terms of the cease-fire as brokered by the united states. but he wants to see all kurdish fighters removed from the so-called safe zone. and those key questions around that as well, especially when you listen to what the kurdish leaders are saying. they've only agreed to evacuate a narrow portion of the safe zone. so there's a disparity in terms of what both sides are saying. how all of that is going to be reconciled. how it's going to play out. really at this point, it's anyone's guess.

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they're also going to do third party again. and i think they have their eye on the democratic primary and grooming her to be the third party candidate. they have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. that's assuming jill stein will give it up. she's a russian asset, totally. >> hillary clinton is igniting a debate with her reference to hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard. gabbard firing back calling her the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption and personification of the rot that's sickened the democratic party for so long. joining me is paul ricoff, host of angry americans. great to have you with us on

set. a lot to talk to. let's gettior reaction to this feud taking place between former secretary of state, presidential nominee and front-runner hillary clinton and tulsi gabbard? i'm going to ask you the same question i asked beto o'rourke. did hillary clinton misspeak? is what she is doing now a disservice to the democratic party? >> i think there's no doubt. democrats always eat their own. it seems like every week there's a new example. i'm a political independent. i watch from the outside like so many americans and this looks like more friendly fire from within the party. the bottom line is tulsi gabbard is actively serving in the hawaii national guard right now. on the armed services committee. the first female veteran ever to run for president. if hillary clinton has more information, she needs to share it not just on a podcast but with authorities in the federal government. otherwise it's something else, something more political. now there may be elements that in russia do support tulsi gabbard. doesn't mean she's an asset. it's a very dangerous allegation

and hillary has to provide receipts. >> you are taking like a very technical definition of asset as opposed to someone cultivated and groomed by -- >> whatever it is, she should explain. this is a sitting member of congress on the armed services committee who gets classified briefings on a regular basis. she's got to back it up. if not, it's more friendly fire, more conspiracy theory. i'm sure tulsi gabbard can defend herself. i've seen her in action. a very, very rough allegation. >> she's going to be on your podcast this week? >> we hope so. >> let's switch gears and talk about syria. the president putting out this tweet saying the troops are coming home and he quoted his secretary of state even misnaming him, but essentially referring to secretary of defense esper and saying the troops will be coming home. the detesecretary of defense sa that's not the case. they are being redeployed to iraq. what do you make of that? >> a total catastrophe and mess.

every hour it seems like a new way for trump to add more fuel to the fire. even within that tweet there's three or four different lies, including he gets the secretary of defense's name wrong. can't even get his name right. our troops are not going home. he's pulling them away from our kurdish allies and redeploying them not just to iraq but saudi arabia. any time trump says he's bringing trumps home there's no net decrease. he also says our troops don't have ammunition. it keeps getting worse by the day. and not just our global allies but it's a betrayal of our troops. if the troops can't be trusted in afghanistan and around the world, that makes them more vulnerable. that's a part of the story under reported. it's hurting morale. the special forces community is already overextended. this may be the most damaging thing he's done to our national security because it hits to the heart of our troops and allies. >> you may be wondering why we decided to say we've secured the oil.

he's an explanation. there's the tweet from this morning. let meplay you the sound bite of lindsey graham. watch this sound bite. essentially lindsey graham was talking to judge jeannine and talked about the need to secure the oil and then use the money from the oil sales to pay the kurds and arabs. watch. >> here's what i would advise president trump to do. and i think he'll do it. do a deal. take over those oil fields in the south. share the revenue with the arabs and the kurds who helped us fight isis and keep the money away from iran and assad. you could actually make money in syria if you took those oil fields over and shared the revenue with the people -- >> that's actually illegal. >> it's so wrong. it's illegal. >> our troops are not mercenaries. they're not hired guns for trump or lindsey graham or anyone else. this cuts to the core of the damage he's inflicting on national security and global standing. that tweet has about five different lies in it. our troops are not safe. they're in harm's way being shot

at. being wounded. that's also a betrayal of the compact the commander in chief has to keep the american public informed and to be honest about what's happening to our troops. this is a total mess. that one tweet probably has six lies in it. >> what do you make of the fact republicans have differed on this and yet can't force him to reverse course on any of the issues they've raised whether it's betraying the kurds, whether it's lying about bringing the troops home, whether it's about saying we're downsizing our footprint in the middle east but in reality, net increasing it by deploying troops to saudi arabia because they are paying us as you said? >> it's a nonpartisan debacle. the middle east is like a complicate ed jenga game. trump is just yanking pieces out and blowing up the whole thing. anybody on any side should understand that this is a threat to our national security. it's endangering our global standing, hurting our troops and put your country before your party. this is where patriots have to stand up from both parties and be held accountable and show us where you stand because our troops and our allies and

everyone around the world is suffering right now. if you can't call it what it is, then you don't have our country's best interest in mind. >> and perhaps a sign of the changing of the times. the turkish president going to russia before he comes to the u.s. to talk about what's happening there on the ground. really quickly, what is coming up on your pod cast this week? >> i hope tulsi gabbard. we'll have her on wednesday and continue to go deep or this discussion. it's a deeper one for the veterans and national security community. >> also some controversial comments about her position. >> i disagree with her on a lot of things. i wouldn't meet with assad. but she's aushlgs pelso appeali moderates and independents. the people who don't have a political party. they want to hear from her. >> paul riekcoff. in coming up, donald trump's sons attempt to climb the moral high ground. we'll tell you about that, next. introducing even more value from fidelity.

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american people are going to see that. he is pompus and they are above it all. if i was doing the same thing that family was doing, i'd be in jail. why is it that every family goes into politics and enriches themselves. we're the only family that -- we stopped doing deals when my father became -- we are a businessman. we stopped doing deals when he went into politics but it's perfectly acceptable if their sons are sitting on boards of ukrainian energy companies drilling the hell out of everything over there, making hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for their family. the hypocrisy is insane.

>> that was one of the trump kids renewing his attack on huntered bier saturday night alleging he profited off of his father's political standing overseas. joining me is dana milbank of "the washington post." good to have you with us. what do you make of that argument that you just heard there from trump junior essentially saying, hey, we're not profiting. we're not making any money off of this presidency and it's complete hypocrisy that hunter biden was allowed to do what he was able to do. >> it is breathtaking. they used to say of george bush that he was born on third and thought he hit a triple. that would give too much credit to these trump boys. i think they were born on third base and think they scored a touchdown. they don't have any sense of self-awareness in this at all. now, of course, you know, i'm not going to sit here and defend what the bidens did. i don't think family members of anybody should be making money in business based on the family name. but come on. i mean, the amazing thing is

this is coming in the same week when trump attempted to have the g7 at doral before pulling it back. i mean, you know, talk about a quid pro quo. this entire presidency has been about, you know, a quid pro cash flow. generating funds for his properties in scotland, ireland, turkey, in miami, mar-a-lago, new york and washington. so it's -- shall we say, a little bit lacking in self-awareness. >> let me read you a statement from donald trump jr.'s spokesperson saying that claims that don is being hypocritical for attacking hunter biden is nothing more than a straw man argument being used by democrats and their friends in the media to protect joe biden's failing presidential campaign. don isn't attacking hunter biden because he has a famous father. he's attacking him specifically for selling access to his father's public office to enrich himself. what do you think of that

argument that they're trying to make essentially saying, hey, this is not about joe biden, per se, as a father, a famous figure, but they're going after the political corruption so to speak? >> well, i think that actually takes you out of the frying pan and into the fire. i mean, we've seen this over and over again. it's sort of a projection. remember no puppet. you're the puppet. whatever president trump or for that matter his sons are accused of, it becomes that which they accuse the opponent of. think of ivanka trump getting her trademarks in china at the same time the president is negotiating with the chinese. think of the saudis. think of attorney general barr paying tens of thousands of dollars to the trump hotel in washington for his christmas party. think of all the lobbyists putting in money there. this is all going to the bottom line and to the profits that are enjoyed by don junior, eric and the president himself. >> yeah, and i just want to --

>> i don't think that helps. >> this is from the "l.a. times." trump's children take in millions overseas as president slams biden's son. on the same day trump and his daughter dined with xi jinping at mar-a-lago in florida in 2017, china awarded her three preliminary trademark approvals for her handbags and spa services. she's obtained more than a dozen chinese trademarks since entering the white house ensuring her access to the world's second largest economy if she goes back into business once her father's presidency is over. >> and, you know, if the trumps are so determined to prove that the obvious is not, in fact, true, you know what they can do. they can release their tax returns. joe biden has released his so we can see exactly what, if anything, he profited from. so the trumps are free to do that. i think we all know what the answer to that is going to be. >> from a political perspective, despite all of this hypocrisy

from the trump kids, has the president been successful in framing this debate around joe biden and has it taken a toll in his poll standings? >> in a sense, it's a bit of a victory there since he seems to have torpedoed his own presidency. the great irony would be if he had done all this to bring down joe biden when joe biden was being brought down, not by anything involving his son and ukraine, but just a ground swell in the electorate for, say, an elizabeth warren. so i don't doubt that it's had some damage. perhaps not on democratic primary voters but on other voters on biden, but it's clearly had a larger damaging effect on trump himself. >> dana, stick around. we'll talk to you again in the next hour. more "a.m. joy" after the break.

coming up, one of the driving narratives of the 2016 campaign is finally put to bed this weekend. we'll tell you about that next.

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hillary clinton enjoys some of the famous frying food at the iowa state fair yesterday. she could not escape a grilling from reporters about her private e-mail server and that fbi investigation, more than 300 of her e-mails have been flagged for potential classified content. >> i personally asked her about deleting her e-mails and how she came to that decision. how it was executed. that was two months ago. she did not answer that question when i asked.

she has not answered it since. >> hillary clinton right there taking those questions about e-mails this week showing a bit of frustration. today hillary clinton will appear with president obama on the campaign trail. that comes after a holiday weekend which she was questioned by the fbi about her private e-mail server. >> she never passed information on the server. >> i guarantee you, we'll be talking about those e-mails every moment of everyday. >> all right, the lead up to the 2016 elections, it seems like we could not stop talking about hillary clinton e-mails. donald trump still can't stop talking about it in daily tweets and rallies and conversations with foreign leaders, don't forget the impeachment inquiry is not only demanding dirt on

biden with the ukrainian president. it is the narrative that just won't die. how is the media handling it this time around? well, ask yourself. did you see the news this week that the state department cleared secretary clinton of any wrong doing? you may have missed it. it was on page 16 of the new york times on saturday. now history is threatening the repeated self of trump and his associate seek to make the story not about trump's quid pro quo but about hunter biden. watch. >> i hope that we will. i hope that if vice president biden engaged in behavior that's inappropriate. i hope the american people will come to learn it. >> the real issue is not what the president said but what indeed did his son do. >> you explain to me what the kid -- >> hunter, you are a loser. >> the question to us in the

media, will we take the bait. >> joining us now, author of the loudest voice in the room, ti tiffany cross. gabriel sherman, let me begin with you. we kind of took criticisms there of how the media handled in 2016. we felt for that narrative about hillary clinton's e-mails. this week, the state department came out and said there was no wrong doing there. it did not make the kind of headlines that it deserved to make. are we at fault here? >> this is the problem where a story takes on a life of its own. when the news comes out that refutes the entire premise of the story. it is covered but not the same volume and intensity as all the proceeding stories. the public still has a lot of

questions in their mind we always say in the media but her e-mails, right? there is some questions out there. you raise a bunch of questions and plant the seed of doubt in people's mineds. i am seeing a lot of this play out wi out with the hunter story. >> to your point of the narrative of the hypocrisy and the double standard that we are discussing. is there a bit of a double standard of how we frame the narrative around hunter biden and when we look back at the 2016 e-mails, are we repeating the same mistake in. >> i don't know if it is a deliberate double standard. the media follows the bouncing

ball. if donald trump is yammering about something, we are going to cover it and we are going to be sure that donald trump was not yammering it after the state department after expanding the investigation and bringing these people and exposing them to additional vulnerability. okay, if it was mishandling and none of it was systematic and nobody is going to be sanctioned whatsoever. when people in office are not speaking about these things, we tend not to take the initiative ourselves. i think that was the problem in 2015 and 2016 with trump. that's the problem with what trump is doing now. we don't seem to be able to keep equilibrium. we just seem to follow what ever his utterance is even to say if it is false. it is still setting the agenda. >> let me play for you guys a sound byte of hunter biden. he was asked and answered about

whether or not if there were ethical laws in his activities. >> you know what, did i make a mista mistake? well, maybe in the grand scheme of things but unethical lapse? absolutely not. >> what dow make of that when you hear him taking that question and fuelling that question saying he did not take an ethical lapse. he's sitting on a board of a company. are there legitimate questions to be asked there in. >> i am surprised he gave that interview. we are now in a climate where we had ivanka trump getting trademarks from the chinese and jared kushner, his family business making money in real estate deals. it is the height of hypocrisy to have this administration to talk about corruption with respect to hunter biden but ignored the fact that ivanka trump and jared

made millions last year while donald trump sits in the office. ivanka trump works in the white house. how is it possible that she's able to get you know these sort of trademarks in china, by the way, we are dealing with china with respect to a trade deal. there is a trade issue going on. how is it that she's able to still make money and earn money and everyone turns a blind eye to that. everybody wants to follow the bouncy ball. let me say this, what i find interesting is that the media seems to be obsessed with hillary clinton with anything she does. how is it that everybody -- you played that clip which i thought it is great. it shows how much reporters covering the e-mail story. i have not seen how many reporters with respect to ivanka trump using e-mails on personal e-mails to do business or jared using using personal e-mails to do business or diplomats, the people that recently testified in the impeachment. >> what's your explanation for

it as an outside observer, how do you explain it? it is hard to say that the media wants to ignore one story or the other but what's your explanation? >> it is not that they want to but they do it. we all see it. i don't know. i think that you know for a lot of people on the left side and the right side, hillary is a trigger. like people are just triggered. you say hillary clinton, oh my god, people lose their minds. it is difficult to say why. we know that they do it. i think as american citizens and people question why that is because the jared story is important and craivanka story i important. these are people impacting foreign policies. they're currently in the white house. they ought to be answering to some of these questions as well. >> it is a fair enough point. >> i wanted to bring this up from the columbia journalism review. don't blame the election on fake

news and blame it on the media. this is a quote bpublished back in september 2015. how do we not repeat the same mistake with the hunter biden story. the president has framed a narrative around hunter and joe biden. joe d joe biden says if he's elected, he's not going to have anybody from his family members be involved. >> everybody stares and i hope the lesson from 2016, i discussed with anchors of yours and on chris hayes and on my radio show, the lesson not giving free press to donald trump by covering his rallies. fact-checking much more. at the beginning, trump was viewed as the kardashians.

it is fun and games. they were covering it non-stop. now fact-checking is really clear and literally realtime. i will share at the same time the overwhelming sense of progressives that calls my show myself an activist, the corporate media wants trump to win the election. trump may not be good for america but he's great for cbs. that's our concern. it is about us watching and consume and reach out the media and make our voice heard. there is always two sides from every story. he was a great journalist. >> yanything comes through and goes out on twitter does not make news. be deserting. >> let me bring you into this conversation as well. there are so many different

threads to pull from here. from where you sit, what is it that we need to do collectively in 2020 and not to repeat the mistakes of 2016 on several of these issues that come up. every time you have an american official like pompeo or mnuchin come on the air, they pivot and deflect but what about, but what about? and we find ourselves having to be in this vicious cycle. >> yeah, it is a vicious cycle. i began my career in cable news and over a decade working in various capacity going from the control room to the green room and experience because you know how this office is being made. apart of the town is so many of the editorial decision makers in cable newsroom come from the chatter that does not necessarily we always represent the interest of the american people. i myself fallen distance to this. you get used to what everyone is talking about in the belt way that you can have a disconnect with your consumers and audience

and you have to combat that at all times. we are talking about hillary clinton e-mails last year this time. it was revealed ivanka trump sent hundreds of e-mails from her personal account and many in violation of a federal role. that story came and went. it is impossible the 24-hour news cycle no longer exists. it is challenging trying to present this to consumers across the country. when you look to cable news and a lot of people are not reading newspapers anymore. they are watching the three echo chambers of cable news. when you look to that, there is a lot to unpack there. so much of what we talk about is aimed at a narrow sliver of american society. there is for one to help you to unpack that. you do start to lose interests. the term fake news and this term first started in our lexicon. it was talking about fake news from the ira from what the

russians have planted across social media site. donald trump collapsed that phrase and now it is a sign to reputable news outlet. the news media follows i it it -- the predator leading the chief around. you have to combat those things. we still have a lot of work to do there and a long way to go to midwin point and ivanka made nearly $4 million that directly relates to the hotel chain. we don't talk about that and you have donald trump dangling stories that had no meat for the bone but the echo chambers of news continues to treat it like it is a reputable story. as long as we try to appeal of this in our society, it is going to be a challenge for reputable news outlets. >> one of the stories was

criticism of tulsa gabbard and hillary clinton. give us a gut check. are we making much to do about nothing? we talked about this. i think unfortunately like i said, hillary clinton suffers from -- she's been made out successfully by the right and the gop as the sort of boogie man. h people are triggered by hillary clinton on the right or the left no matter what it is she says. and so what i find most interesting of this whole tic-for-tat, initialliy, she wa not mentioned by name. she was right about a lot of things. during the 2016 elections, she talks about donald trump will

probably engage in behaviors that's helpful to russia. we see that donald trump over the past two or three years have made quite questionable decisions and many of them have been favorable to russia. we see that with respect to the recent cease-fire or the recent discussions of what's happening in syria and the kurds. that's helpful to russia. that has been the consistent theme in donald trump's presidency. she also said when she was running during 2016 that donald trump will make decisions that were favorable to his businesses, what do we see? the most recent decision in respect to having the g-7 in doral. so she was right. the idea that people will lose her minds and not mentioning tulsi gabbard by the way, i think we spend so much time on things that do not matter to the american voting public and i think that tiffany is correct

and saying that's the problem. people kind of jump in on a particular story just because it is salacious and because it is oh my god i can't believe she says that. where is the root story here? >> we focus on things that don't matter to the american public. we have an president in the office who gave lies systemically and his campaign slogan was to build the wall. he gets mexico to pay the wall and that has not happened. he clearly lies and the media tries to hold him accountable. they're willing to ignore the fact that he lied to them on so many issues. are we making a mistake that we try to focus or hold officials accountable in a way that does not necessarily resonate with voters and chase shiny objects. >> this is a function of fox news, 30% of the voters who continue to support donald trump have a single information

source. that bubble does not reflect the information that is throughout the rest of the media. with that said, i will say the way the media covers donald trump, i use the big newspapers and the reputable reporters in this, you know, they call him a liar. donald trump is as master of using language to advance. he speaks in simple terms that his audience understands. newspapers and journalists use opaque language. by talking around the issues and not con frofronting the issue o donald trump. failure of both sides of journalism where newspapers does not want to seem bipartisan or biased. well, we cannot get into his

head, just use common sense. >> that's damaging. >> "the washington post" and others should the journalists that work for your newspapers, "the new york times" use the words racist and liar when talking to president trump when clear evidence he does do those things. >> we should and do. it is not for the purpose of name call but it is an accurate label. it is parallel being in the position of defending the media. things have improved dramatically since the 2016 elections in terms of how we are covering donald trump's lies. as gabe alluded there, it is less of a media problem than a fox news problem. the problem is it does not reach trump's base at all between fox news and whatever they are filtering into their brains through social media is essentially free of what's going on in our culture. you can be sure if you are watching fox the last 48 hours,

you are not seeing a lot of headlines of hillary clinton and their staff effectively exonerated in the long standing e-mail scandal. >> you had eric trump going on the air saying they are losing money and they are the only family not to benefit from the presidency. >> about fox news, progressives, there are times that i watch it because it is fun because of hillary clinton. i feel good about watching this. on fox news, democrats were organized and effective which they are not in the real world but according to them, we could do anything. >> gabbard came out, 45% last year. it is sliding again. >> do you think it is as a result of our coverage or president trump is constantly attacking members of the mainstream.

>> roughly twice as popular as congress though. >> i think the people, some of my congress, they like their representatives. i am sure if you poll people who reads dana's columns, they love "the washington post." overall, it has gotten down 4%, going down trust between now and 2020 in november. trump needs that. he needs to be legitimatized and anybody using fact-check. you talk about calling him racist or lies, i talk to trumpers on my show, i can call him a racist and liar. they can hear me say it but they don't believe it. >> voters that are going to be lost forever in terms of winning an election, you can persuade the majority of americans of what the truth is.

>> i respectfully disagree. i don't think the media has done a better job for donald trump. after donald trump, you have all of these roundtables where people wanted to conduct crazy weird appearanexperience. what do these trump supporters want to do? it is ridiculous. another network did a special on kellyanne conway and called her a bad- woman of washington. i think the media has a long way to go when it comes to covering this administration. i concur. >> we can all agree. >> i concur. >> gabriel sherman, tiffany will be back. your moment of maxine is coming up next. maxine is coming up next. oh, wow. you two are going to have such a great trip. yeah, have fun! thanks to you, we will. aw, stop. this is why voya helps reach today's goals... ...all while helping you to and through retirement. um, you guys are just going for a week, right?

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maxine waters. it is great to have you this morning. let me get your reaction that the president will not be hosting the g-7 summit in doral florida. >> let me just tell you, i think the president did a trial run. he had mulvaney come comes out announced the hotel in florida to see if he could get away with it. there was push back not only from democrats but from republicans also. and so it was so substantial that he had to back off. but, he tried it because he does not care about conflicts of sbl interests. if he could have gotten away with it, if we had been silence and rebel, he would have done it. he's been under a lawsuit that he settled but it is failing and losing money and of course if he

could have had the richest country in the world, the most powerful country rather in the worldcom world come to doral and pay all of that money and what it takes to put on the g-7 conference, he would have done it. he could not get away with it because the push back was so profound. >> he gotten away with so many things and as he said in his tweet, the media and crazed democrats made him change his mind. this is wrong and you should not be doing it. he did not reverse course on it. >> this is on top of all of the scan z scandals that are unfolding. particularly the scandal of his phone call to the president of his ukraine. with all of that going on, the investigations that are going on and etcetera, it is just you know a thousand nicks beginning to happen. republicans even said whoa,

whoa, this is too much. everyday we are finding out something new that this president is doing while we are defending him. this is what republicans are saying, while we are defending him, he's making it harder for us. impeachment and inquiry is going on. we just don't know where he's going to stop. what they have to figure out is they're dealing with a corrupt president. they're dealing with a dishonorable man who thinks he's above the law. it is going keep coming because he's abusing power. he's going to keep on doing it. i am going to see how far the republicans are going to go. if they are going to keep trying to defend him when they got to go home sometimes. you know tell their constituents why they're sticking with this president. we know that he has a constituency but it is not everybody in america. >> let's talk about impeachment for a moment. it is gaining a lot of tractions and support among american according to various polls that

are out there. i am curious to get your thoughts of impeachment inquiry. do you think it is moving along at the right pace. you got mitch mcconnell who's pretty much willing to host a sham process just to exonerate the president before he goes into 2020. >> no, i think we are doing what we need to do, the investigations that goes on. documents being requested, the six committees that have responsibilities for oversight and investigations are working. i think that we'll have information that will end up going to the judiciary committee in a good period of time. we are moving as well as we possibly can. i don't care what mitch mcconnell are trying to do. it is going to catch up with him. this is business that someone is speculating about the fact that he's going to try and basically whitewash it and that really do

a real investigation. it is not going to work. it is not going to work. the american people want to have the senate do what the constitution says they must do a hold a trial. they are acting as the jury should be acting as the jury. we'll have information to put before them and they better not try to sweep it under the rug. >> this week, this country lost a dear friend of yours, a someone of a towering legacy, representative elijah cummings, he referred to you as his mentor believe it or not. i want you to talk about your relationship with chairman cummings and what his loss means to this country and to you personally. >> well, i am absolutely devastated as so many in this country are. the members of the black caucus are just stunned and basically mobilized by this loss and of

course his constituents are calling us, they're speaking out. he was a tremendous voice in the congress of the united states. i had a great relation with him, yes, he did refer for me as his mentor and he was elected after i was elected, we had a close relationship, not only did we talk to each other about issues and get advice from each other, while he considers me as his mentor, i consider him as the finest political mind. he was a lawyer. he gave it real meaning and people listened to him. he was passionate. he reminded us that we can do our work and that we had to do it with integrity and he ended his remarks with and we are better than that. and so we are going to miss him.

it is a great loss. all of america is mourning this loss. >> hopefully we can live up to those words to be better. congresswoman, chairwoman, maxine waters, thank you very much for your time this morning. >> you're so welcome. thank you. >> more "a.m. joy" after the break. after the break. [ applause ] thank you.

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at the end of the day, he considers himself to be in the hospitality business. >> you says he considers himself to be in the hospitality business, but he's the president of the united states. >> it is his background. i used to be in real estate business. >> what did you used to do before you were in social media? >> nothing, that's all i have ever done. >> he's in the hotel business. >> that was white house acting chief of staff mick mulvaney still speaking to an audience of one now that donald trump backed on his decision on holding the g-7 in doral.

ej d ej dionne, let me start with you, ej there. this does not change the fact that when i say this, the president reversing his decisions does not change the fact that we heard from maxine waters earlier that the president thought we could get away with this and host the world event here at his private resort. >> no. it does not get away from all the visit he made from the resort and all the money that he spent at his resort when he goes to one of them, all the public money but mulvaney is doing something innovative that you may call it perfecting the preemptive confession. first he goes out on ukraine on trump's conversation with the ukraine president says sure, it is all politics and now he's saying trump is in the hospitality business which is confessing trump has never cut

himself off from his own businesses eventhough from claims he has. i got to believe that trump's defenders got on the phone to mulvaney and said you are really asking us to defend this? come on, guys. we got enough bad stuff to defend already. i think they had to pressure trump to say we just cannot get out there and say this is a great thing. a few of them actually tried to. the florida politicians did. trump was told by his own side this is an awful look for you and it is a bad substance. >> let me play mick mulvaney blaming the media of the quid pro quo comment he made in his own words from the white house podium, watch this. >> you again said a few seconds ago that i said there is a quid pro quo. i never used the language.

>> you have by jonathan carl to describe quid pro quo. >> you said it happens all the time. >> you have been in these briefings and you know how back and forth it is. look to the facts on the ground. things that you can certify and what should put this issue to bed is that the money flows without any connections whatsoever. >> so, the money flows perhaps after the whistleblower came forward and people started getting traction hey, this could have been a problematic policy. maria, what do you make of what mulvaney is trying to say. what he said that this happens all the time in foreign policies. it is somehow being taken out of context? >> whoever that's at that podium at the white house speaking on behalf of the president, they send out a trial balloon to see whether or not people are going

to get frenzy over it. if they don't get frenzy over it, see i told you so. that's what mulvaney was doing. this is a quid pro quo, get over it. those were his words, get over it. republicans came out and said this is not okay. you had about 130 republicans that voted with nancy pelosi that actually let's tell them what the white house is doing right now. so the news cycles was not with him. you realize that the reasons he was using that as an opportunity was the same thing, is this going to be okay? can we host the g-7 there. no, you can't. the reason the president backed away with it was that he realized it was not going to be good for the trump business brand. he wanted to make sure that he was basically back heavily, shoot, yes the president was into the hospitality business.

what's not good for the hospitality business is bad press. >> this administration trying to defend the president. mike pompeo speak to george stephanopoulos about this. watch this exchange. >> i saw transpiring and how president trump was working to make the valuations and whether it is appropriate. >> would it be appropriate? >> george, i am not beginning to get into hypotheticals or secondary things on what somebody else says. george, you have never done it? >> it is not hypothetical. we saw the chief of staff. >> you just said if this happens. that's by definition a hypothetical. >> the chief of staff said it did. >> george, you asked me if this happens, if it is hypothetical. i saw the process related todd

tht to this process. >> you play the sound byte for him and mulvaney says it did happen. pompeo says i am not going to comment the hypothetical. the bizarreness of this is getting into a whole different level of absurdity. i am not sure whether or not this is what the president wants as his defense. is this complicate things for him from a legal positive as this impeachment inquiry gains traction. >> i think we know officially why they cancel all white house press briefings. there is no defense and when you put somebody out there, you are going to get into trouble. now the president is out there tweeting because it is the media and the democrats are outraged. the media and democrats are outraged any number of times and he does not cares. he cares because his own republicans and aides are saying we have no way to defend this. there is nothing to be said here. this is happening in the larger impeachment inquiry. you see republicans ejecting to

the process or the secrecy. nobody is out there saying this is what the president did is okay. so now you have the secretary of state disavowing what the acting chief of staff said. the act of chief of staff is disavowing the chief of staff? >> two days earlier. it is better to just have a presidency of tweeting because then you can avoid this whole thing. >> go ahead. >> what was weird that right when mulvaney was saying yes, get over it. this was a quid pro quo. we actually had people from his cabinet testifying down the streets saying yes, he was legitimatizing what the testimony us with. it was not it was coming out of thin air, this was something happening simultaneously. >> i am sorry. what was striking about that

video is the blank space, the dead air and pompeo just did not know what to say and i think what's striking in this theory is why can't the republicans go after trump now? and i think that's a fair question. it is really astonishing how much silence there is from a lot of republicans. they're afraid to attack him because they don't want to offend his base. they're not finding in himself to defend him. when it came to syria. 129 republicans felt they had to vote against him on this because it was such a senseless dangerous decision that led to the deaths of a lot of people. so it is not like a crumbling of support yet among republicans but republicans even are at a loss for words and that's true, even pompeo in that sound byte. >> you teed up a perfect segway

of the next question i am going to ask you, ej. let me play this sound byte about republicans and impeachment. >> i talked to a well connected republican in washington, this is somebody whose name you would know well who says in the house goes to impeach and there is as trial in the senate, there is a 20% chance, he believes. 20% chance enough republicans will vote to remove the president. >> that's just absurd. >> all right, you know washington a lot better than i do. e ej, give me your polls on that. what is that pollpolls? >> that sounds about right. on the impeachment question, i don't think we'll see a drip, drip, drip from republicans first one at 5 and 10 and 20. i think you will hear a couple of voices speaking out.

if the bottom falls out, it will fallout all at once. that's what happens with richard nixon and republicans we forget were defending him until the smoking gun, the tape came out and a whole lot of them went at once. if we had to bet now, we'll still say they're not going to turn on trump. there were too many senators where tumrump did very well. there could be a moment where the whole thing collapses and that's chris wallace's 20%. >> is this the week mulvan mulvaney --mulvaney - mulvaney -- by saying there is a quid pro quo. you had a couple of days where republicans were saying wait a minute, we played earlier. i believe it was the representative who considers the impeachment when you got the acting chief of staff coming out and saying hey, there was a quid pro quo. is this the bottom that begins to follow out the smoking gun

that ej was referring to. >> so it was not just this quid pro quo, yes, it happens. he's making world less safe. you had 129 republicans vote with nancy pelosi to disavowal what happened in syria is not small. he single handedly distablized the region. that's not good. when you start looking at a lot of republicans, the reason many republicans voted for trump was based on national security issues. that was one of the reasons that you had so many military vets because they really believe in national security. now he's making that completely in stable. it is the totality of what's happening. most people right lane not fear safe. >> to that point of foreign policies. that may have been the stronger points of the presidential campaign that got trump elected.

he wants to downsize the american military and the endless war. troops are coming home again factually incorrect because you got the defense secretary. troops are being deployed to western part of iraq. yet this gets away with republicans, they don't flag this saying hey, this is not correct. >> right, i think what you have in this case, the evidence of a foreign policy team that's completely and over its head. you have the former lobbyist running the pentagon and clearly the president and his national security team. national security advisors and are clearly not listening to the military so again you have the president saying i said i would do the following things during the campaign. you have the military and experts screaming at him saying you can't do it in this manner and he's proceeding it.

each one as you seen of what pompeo is saying and mulvaney saying is being rejected by the president's own allies. >> thank you very much. appreciate all your insights at this hour. coming up, it is time for who won the week. stay with us. for who won the week stay with us ♪ applebee's new pasta and grill combos. choose from up to 12 combinations starting at $9.99.

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welcome back everyone, it is finally tonight for who won the week. back with us once again. let me begin with you, tiffany, who won the week? the hundreds of protesters who showed up at the nba game in brooklyn against the mets and the raptors. they all wore hong kong t-shirts. i stand with hong kong. if you don't know a lot about the story, essentially their rights are being stripped and people will over come the power. it was incredibly disappointed to see how the nba responded. lebron james been such a champion social justice issue

here, it was disappointing to see him stray from that when it came to the people of hong kong. jamil hill helps break the story down. i thought it was an amazing display of democracy and fight for democracy as we are fighting for our rights across the globe. it is a strange thing happening across the globe now and shout out to protesters who were bold enough hundreds in droves to stand there and challenge the nba and stand with the people in hong kong and so the people in hong kong need to know that there are so many people here in the united states who stand with you. >> and tiffany, because we are talk about it, do you think that nba needs china more than china needs the nba? >> i am not sure how the nba's bottom line is that china contributes to, but i would push on that, because when it comes to the bottom line -- >> i agree. i think that the nba should have taken a stronger position, but the idea that they should have

said we need china for the bottom line. i disagree with that, because i say that i believe that the china needs the nba to entertain the masses more and they should be able to stand up for the values and the people. >> and to add to that quickly, the nba has to realize that people know they chose the bottom line over human life, and i disagree. and we are on the same side. >> yes. midwin, who won the week? >> for me it is hillary clinton, because the culmination of the reporting that the state department basically she was exonerated as well as all of her staff members and what have you and since you played the clip of how many times that story covered and front page news and it was for most everyone can agree the issue in the story that caused her to lose the

election, because, you know, as you know, comey came out to make the comment to say they were going to go back into the e-mails a few days before the election, and the polls dropped, i think that she was exonerated and when you take that and add it with the fact that she was correct with donald trump's level of involvement with russia at least with respect to foreign policy, and we have seen donald trump in the past two to three years make decisions and comments that are helpful to russia, and he will not disa vow anything bad that russia has done and trying to enrich himself with the presidency and she is right about that, too, and she won the week. >> dean, you are up with that? >> the bedbugs at the doral are losing, because they were looking forward to having a feast of people at the g-7 and who won is clearly the boss, nancy pelosi and she stood up at

the meeting there, and the picture has gone viral and not only stand up, but donald trump tried to use that image to mock her nervous nancy and she used it as the twitter home page and it went viral and the next day she reminded america to your point about russia, with donald trump, all roads lead back to rush sharks and continuing that narrative and there is something suspicious with donald trump and russia and he is not going to criticize them from the policy in the middle east and wanting to profit, and so she is the winner of the week. >> and she is now actually in jordan meeting with the king and leading a bipartisan delegation to meet with the king, and that something that the president has not done on this issue, so it gives you a little bit of insight into the impeachment inquiry, she is leading the charge. >> it would be great if donald trump cared about it as written in the "daily beast" and giving the green light to the turks and

the kurds were let the muslims kill each other and let al law sort it out, because that is what is articulated by the others from the right as i write about in "the beast" this week. >> and so in my mind who won the week. >> tell us. >> history made in outer space and two women for the first time participating in this all-women spacewalk taking place, and christina koch and jessica meir and they participated with a phone conversation with president trump after they completed the first all female spacewalk and the president saying that they were the first women or at least one of them was the first women to participate in the spacewalk and they corrected him from outer space paying tribute to all of the women before them who have participated in the spacewalk and what we should emphasize is that this is the first time that it was all-female spacewalk and even the president when he tried to congratulate them he could

not get the facts right there. and so thank you for christina koch and jessica meir for that. >> and did he call it fake news, because it is astronauts are harder on president trump than fox news. >> and it is alternative facts. >> and young women lose interest in s.t.e.m. careers when they are about 12 years old and i am hoping that this story will inspire women to pursue s.t.e.m. career careers, because of that huge delta that is between men and women in those fields. >> and you could have chosen the winner. >> how long did we hear about those e-mails? >> and come on, ayman. >> and this is who is going to get it. but all of you guys raised a good point, and especially to yours, tiffany, i want to give a

shoutout to the protests taking place in beirut and baghdad and algeria and these are protests around the world fighting for the same thing that people in hong kong want. >> and haiti as well. and they want freedom. so while we are looking at hong kong, we should not lose sight of all of the protests in our country for justice and judicial reform. and so just so you know that i am always right when it comes to "who won the week?" "who won the week? do your asthma symptoms ever hold you back? about 50% of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. fasenra is designed to target and remove these cells.

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all right. that is our show for today and thank you for watching. "a.m. joy" is will be back next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. and my friend philip is taking over. >> good day today. it is high noon in the east and 9:00 out west and welcome the "weekends with alex witt." i'm philip mena. and there is a walkback from mick mulvaney and what does it mean this week? and the president is canceling plans to host the g-7 summit at the doral resort and what changed his mind and sending them home. president trump says he is going to get hundreds of troops out of syria, and where they are headed next is igniting controversy. and breaking news that the trump administration is defending the president on three fronts --