welcome to kasied.c. i'm ayman mohyeldin. the president hasn't played golf for two days in a row, the nationals are in the world series. things are a little weird in washington, d.c., tonight. in the news though, the next g-7 summit won't be at the president's struggling doral resort after all. can all of those world leaders and entourages get their deposits back. emphasis on the acting in acting chief of staff. mick mulvaney's news conference

ages quickly and pretty badly. later, bernie is back after a heart attack. the senator pulls off the biggest crowd of the election cycle with some help from alexandria ocasio-cortez but first the president tweetsed the g-7 summit won't be at his struggling doral golf course after all. it came in part because the president had telegraphed it for so long. in fact, he has refused to back down from so many other fights. >> we haven't made a final decision but right next to the airport. right there, meaning, a few minutes away. it's a great place. it's got tremendous acreage. many hundreds of acres so we can handle whatever happens. people are really liking it. plus it has buildings that have 50 to 70 units in them so each delegation can have its own building. >> the president, we know the environment we live in. you all know the environment we

live in and he knows exactly that he's going to get these questions and exactly get that reaction from a lot of people. he's saying, that's fine. i'm willing to take that. the same way he takes it when he goes to trump mar-a-lago. same way when he goes to play trump bed minister. he got other that a long time ago. >> the president isn't one for holding back his feelings and emotions. he was honestly surprised at the level of pushback and we were all surprised at the level of pushback. >> the moment is as precarious for the man you saw there, mick mulvaney who is making a quick recovery after being thrown under the bus. he was on fox news with chris wallace trying to answer for the remarkable news conference and trying to walk back a key part of it. >> there were two reasons that we held up the aid. the first one was the rampant corruption in ukraine. the president was also concerned about whether or not other nations, specifically european nations, were helping with foreign aid to the ukraine as well. i did then mention that in the past the president had mentioned for me from time to time about

the dnc server. he had mentioned to other people and mentioned it to president zelensky in the phone call but it wasn't connected to the aid. >> you were asked another time why the aid was held up. what was the condition for the aid. and you didn't mention two conditions, you mentioned three conditions. you stated very clearly, let's listen. >> three issues for that. the corruption in the country, whether or not other countries were participating in the support of the ukraine and whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with our department of justice. that's completely legitimate. >> with that i'd like to welcome in my all-star panel. washington post political reporter phillip bump and rick stengel. he's the author of "information wars." also with me, john pedorace and anchor of npr's latino u.s.a. is

mar maria anijosa and marilyn farcus. >> we're starting with so many different pieces of news both on syria and the g-7. let's talk about the news conference and the way mick mulvaney handled it and whether or not we're seeing some cracks within the republicans standing behind this president on this singular issue of whether or not there was a quid pro quo. >> we haven't seen too many cracks. there was some alarm after he tied those together. the cracks emerged more broadly from the other things, from doral, for example, the other part of the mulvaney press conference and separately from the syria issue. the thing that was so remarkable about the mulvaney press conference, first of all that he laid his cards on the table. this thing we said, yes, we did it, and get over it. to do something that his own

party was going to hate was this plas sieve poor decision on the part of the white house broadly, and i think we saw that reverberate. >> have we got at all any sense as to why the news conference took place in the first place? why did mick mulvaney feel the need to come out and spend the hand grenade out there and spend the next few days trying to walk it back? >> it's a fascinating question. it's one of the biggest goals in politics in years. >> what do you make over how mick mulvaney has backtracked. the fact he went out there and today went on media to lie, there were two reasons. he gave three reasons. >> there's a scene, a movie made in the early '60s called jumbo in which the great villain jimmy durante is trying to walk an elephant out of the circus. he's standing there and someone says, where are you going with that elephant? he says, what elephant?

that was mulvaney today. that was like -- i mean, you're all saying i said something i didn't say and then both chris wallace and -- >> for an audience of one, right? >> he's performing for an audience of one. somebody who says i didn't say what 100 million people saw me say three days ago -- >> right. >> -- that's not even -- that's bad gas lighting. gas lighting is supposed to have plausible thoughts. everybody saw him say there's a quid pro quo. get over it. i never said that. he's got the elephant right behind him. >> more importantly, the issue of the doral golf resort not being the site of the g-7 summit. what do you make of that answer? the crazed democrats were so intense that he decided to reverse course when, as we said, he's never done that in the last 2 1/2 years. >> i think this is a crack in the sense that, you know, this

is trump who never backs down so the fact that he's backing down, it's just like, okay, wow. i don't -- so i'm -- this is -- i'm alerting speculation, but if you think about the international dynamics and what's going on with the world right now and what donald trump has unleashed right now in this particular moment in history, i wonder how many behind the scenes international complaints there were that were basically saying, our countries want to have nothing to do with paying anything to the trump corporation in the way of a hotel or a meal. we internationally want to protect ourselves and so that's why -- i just wonder if there was some pulling out and that was part of the reason why he said i have to pull out now before it gets even worse. >> i mean, look, i hate to put it this way, but it's an open and shut emolument. if it had happened and he made three cents profit, that's an impeachment and that is -- and

that is not only an impeachable offense, it's a removable offense. no public official shall profit personally from his office. somebody said to him, you can't -- you know, it's like stop it now. like we have six months to find another place. >> and that's why it was so extraordinary for mulvaney to say, as he said today, the president was surprised by the reaction to this. oh, you're surprised when you violate the emoluments clause that people would react to it. you're surprised when you personally profit from some public office that you're in that people would object to it. the fact is, i mean, i don't know if it's ignorance or if it's just such lack of knowledge about the way government works that he transposes his own profitable private network that he did as a real estate agent, that he thinks that that's what it is -- means to be president of the united states. really extraordinary. >> eric trump jr. -- e trump was on fox saying this family hasn't

benefitted from having his father as the president. the hypocrisy of that reeks to the highest levels. evelyn, let me get your thoughts really quickly on this reversal from the president which is do you think that this past week with this issue of the g-7 summit was a bit of a distraction from everything else? did the president put that idea out there as some people have circulated, he put the idea that he was going to have the g-7 summit just to get everyone focused on it to get everyone's reaction and say, i'm not doing it anymore and divert from the week that he has had with the issue of mick mulvaney and the impeachment inquiry? >> ayman, it's possible. it's weird they had a press conference just for that. i was surprised to see mick mulvaney come out and that's what he was going to announce. i do think it is really different from other emoluments violations in the sense that up until now it's been really subtle. if you're a foreign country and

you want to get in good with donald trump, then you stay in his hotel and maybe he's made some comments. it sounds like he's made a lot of comments on these private phone calls that we're not privy to yet about his properties. this is different because it's right in front of everyone saying, here, come. come stay here and give my family money. so it is much more blatant and i have to say, you know, the reason people get alarmed about the behavior of the president is because you give him an inch and he tries to take a mile. >> john, are you surprised at all that, you know, republicans have broken rank with the president on two issues, one syria, and we'll get to that in a moment, but, two, a little bit on the issue of doral and holding the g-7 summit there. some have said this is quite difficult for us to come out and defend. >> right. so i'm not surprised because neither of these really touches the central issue now that is, you know, the train track to impeachment, which is ukraine.

so syria is a different foreign policy issue. it is a policy problem. what donald trump did in syria is a -- in my view a policy catastrophe. but it is a policy decision, and without question that is within his power to exert, right? that is a constitutional authority of the president of a foreign policy. and doral was, as i say, an open and shut case of he was really, you know, like -- it was indefensible. not only was it indefensible, nobody except mick mulvaney defended it in the entire country. and so i don't think that -- so if he dishes doral, then it's like, okay, that's good. that's over with. and the syria discussion is a discussion about a disastrous policy. >> i feel like he's gotten away. his sentiment -- frankly not his sent im. he's gotten away with so much that what we feel happened in the last week, it was like and now i'm going to try even further. >> to push it.

>> and we're all -- because this has happened. this is not normal, what has been happening over the past several months, years now. it's not normal. so i feel like it was just this kind of like, and i'm just going to keep on coming with the elephant. i don't care what you say. something, that's why i say, something is shifting. >> let me -- do you want to -- >> first thing is, it does tie to ukraine. it's important to remember, on the phone call with zelensky, don't forget i stayed at trump tower. on fox news, mulvaney said the president still sees himself in the hospitality business. that's a baffling comment. >> i was going to switch gears to talk about syria. there was another big announcement which is the president on twitter saying the troops are coming home. that is categorically false. his own secretary of defense was on the record saying, no, they're being redeployed to syria. the notion that president trump is trying to project that we're downsizing in the middle east is not true.

we're expanding with more troops going to saudi arabia. >> i'm going to say something about the troops, there are about 1,000 special operations forces there. these are the best of the best. they are not actually in harm's way. look at the statistics about fighting isis. the stf lost 10,000 people, we lost 6. the reason we have those troops there is symbolic, because when american troops are anywhere, people are afraid of attacking them, encroaching on them. turkey didn't want to do that. syria didn't want to do that. russia didn't want to do that. we have hundreds of thousands of troops all around the world. this is a tiny, tiny footprint. for trump to withdraw them -- the return on the investment of those 1,000 troops is fantastic. to remove them is an insane policy because it enables turkey to do the things that they've always wanted to do that we've oppressed them. it allows assad, the greatest mass murder remember living in

history right now to get territory that he wants and it allows russia to get back in from just 1,000 troops. it's crazy. >> ef lynvelyn, i want to get y thoughts. what do you make of the disconnect between the president and his secretary of defense? >> yeah, i mean, i think i don't know, the president is fabricating things because he mentioned something about getting oil and we know the oil -- the oil facilities or the oil that is there in that part of syria is now going to be controlled by syria and russia. but i would also want to just quickly say, because i know those special operations forces very well, i did oversight on the senate arms committee. although it's a very small force, they are huge enablers. they teach the curds akurds and to fight isis. their impact is great. >> they're a force multiplier. >> i don't wan't to under represent what they're doing. >> a lot more to come tonight. apparently don mcgann and donald

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as we mentioned before the break, mark espres announced they're heading to western iraq to continue the campaign to fight isis. this as the kurdish led sdf pulled out all of the fighters from the border town as part of the u.s.-brokered deal with turkey. president trump announced the short-term cease-fire as the u.s. is calling it with turkey first thanking president erdogan before praising, of course, himself. >> this is an incredible outcome. this outcome is something they've been trying to get for ten years, everybody, and they couldn't get it. other administrations. and they never would have been able to get it unless you went somewhat unconventional. i guess i'm an unconventional person. >> but some observers on both

sides of the aisle say president trump is taking credit for solving a problem he, in fact, created by withdrawing troops from the region in the first place. it is a theme that we've seen throughout the trump presidency and here are just a few examples for you. >> when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away. >> we are going to keep the families together. i didn't like the sight or feeling of families separated. >> are you still proud to own this shutdown? >> i appreciate the way you say that. but once -- i'm very proud of doing what i'm doing. i don't call it a shutdown. i'm calling it doing what you have to do for the benefit and safety of our country. >> my fellow americans i am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. i have seen and heard from enough democrats and republicans

that they are willing to put partisanship aside, i think, and put the security of the american people first. >> now, phil, it seems like there's a pattern here. the president creates a problem and then he comes out, as we saw, and as he did in the republican convention, say i alone can fix it and tries to take credit for it. i think that phrase should be i alone create the problem and then i alone say i fixed it. syria is no different. >> no, i think that's generally right. it's worst remembering this is a guy who spent 40 odd years in real estate. a tiny house is called cozy. you come up with ways of rationalizing it even if you built the building yourself. that being said, it is certainly the case that i'm curious whether or not he has figured out yet that maybe by reversing some of the damaging things he's done before 2020 he can see a political boost. for example, he makes a big deal with china. we've already seen the initial

stages of what he planned to do with the china trade war. does that see a political boost for him? does he introduce the problems in part recognizing that if he pulls them back, he's able to see political gain for them? i don't think that's going to be a possibility in the syria situation but that is something he is cognizant of and he has gotten credit for fixing problems he himself has made. >> i want to go back in time. three years ago i had an unforgettable conversation with turkey's president, erdogan. >> the u.s. has said that the kurds are fighting against isis and they have been critical at times of turkey's position towards the kurds fighting against isis. what is your assessment of that fight against isis and are the kurds inside syria an ally or enemy against isis. >> translator: the poid, they're all terrorist organizations. they are extensions of the pkk

terrorist organization in turkey. they are synonymous, that's why we are highly disturbed of these developments and we've always been repeating one thing. there is no good terrorists or bad terrorists. these are members of a legitimate organization fighting against daesh. the united states supported them in coban and half of the weapons were seized and two or three days ago in coban poid, ypg was provided with two planes full of weapons in assistance. if we're fighting terrorism, we have to fight against terrorism as allies. let's eradicate all forms of terrorist organizations in that part of the world. we don't want the northern parts of syria to become diverted into belts of terrorism. >> the reason we pulled that out of the archives, rick, is because he's been very consistent about his position.

it's the american position under president trump that has changed from saying, no, these are our allies to the president saying they're not angels, they're pretty bad throwing the kurds under the bus. >> the kurds are the largest ethnic minority in the world without their own state. the reason that erdogan considers them terrorists is because the kurds want to have independence. they don't want to be part of turkey. they want to have a state on that border between turkey and syria. they deserve it. we should be supporting that. they supported us in our fight against isis. they are people who have been denied their own autonomy for a very long time. we should be supporting that. for trump to betray them, betray these men and women who fought on our side and died, but men and women who have this aspiration for freedom and democracy to rule themselves, that is a core american value

that we have always supported around the world. to betray them is ignorant. >> the other important point is this is a fiendishly difficult problem. it's a nato ally, a country we have important relations with, it seems to house nuclear weapons of ours. they are resolute in blocking and attacking the kurds. and we theoretically support kurdish independence in the way that rick mentioned. it's a hard position, right? the cheapest, easiest thing we could do in a problem this fiendish is to have a,000 special forces there preventing a breakout of a turkish/kurdish war. that's what we had. and one phone call and it's gone. >> out the window. >> it was a brilli solution to an intractable

multi-generational problem that trump in five seconds obliterated. >> you brought up a good point. i want to get to my colleague richard engel in northern syria. he had his report on this firsthand experience and it goes to john's point. watch. >> reporter: ayman, i've been following the kurd's journey for the last five years here in northern syria. it really started in this little town called cobani. that is where the kurds first decided they were going to fight against isis, they weren't going to fall like all of the other towns and villages, they were going to stand and fight. the americans saw them standing and fighting and they formed a bond, a bond that lasted for the next five years, a close friendship. while the americans were protecting them, the kurds carved out their own little encla enclave, their own little state. it was peaceful, generally egalitari egalitarian, feminist. it was a unique thing, men and women fighting together,

co-ruling together. they had hopes that this was going to last. their hopes got greater when the fight against isis ended. they were there in baguz and it took months for the kurds backed up by the americans to drive out isis from this final pocket and lock up the isis family members and isis detainees who were left in this village. the kurds held a celebration. the americans came to the celebration and they thought, this is it. we've earned our place in the sun. we've earned our homeland and then out of a surprise, a total shock, they heard inklings of this in the past, president trump never really bought into this idea, he threatened to pull out u.s. troops in the past but he had never actually done it and then they saw that president trump made a deal with erdogan to allow the turkish military to

invade this homeland that they had created and they pounded it for about ten days and then to end the offensive, that was the greatest betrayal they say of all time, when president trump sat down with turkey and decided to end this fighting, fighting which the kurds say president trump allowed to happen, that to end it that the turks would gain control of this part of northern syria creating a so-called safe zone. and now the kurds say their future -- they have no future. this little thing that they created, they call it rojova. this little state has been gobbled up by turkey and it will control the area. the american troops are leaving. the american troops who were protecting them. they had a journey. for five years they created something. that entity was attacked and while they needed defense, american troops pulled out and

now they're left with less than they ever had before. ayman. >> evelyn, i want to go straight to you. president erdogan is on his way to russia to meet with vladimir putin to decide the fate of what happens next in syria, in that northern part of the country. what does that say about america standing on this particular issue as richard just described for us? >> it's disastrous. we have no standing. basically erdogan is going to talk to russia. the kurds are being pushed into the arms of russia and syria. it's not just the kurds, of course, you guys have covered it earlier today. richard talked about the christians, the other syrian opposition folks. they are going to be tortured, murdered. russia and syria do not have a good human rights record. erdogan is handing them over and making a deal with russia. essentially he's starting an ethnic cleansing process. he wants to relocate syrians who are refugees inside turkey into

this belt, if you will. it all stems from turkey's fear of an autonomous region there in syria of kurds. they also fear having an autonomous region of kurds in turkey because, again, as richard mentioned, there are 25 to 30 million kurds who don't have their own state and they would like some autonomy in the states where they are. it's a disaster. >> we'll ask everyone to stay in place. a very important question. how would the u.s. have treated a country that has a leader who behaved the way president trump and those in washington have during his presidency? back after this. ♪ [phone ringing] how are we doing? fabulous. ♪

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welcome back. i want to try a bit of a thought experiment here for a moment. how would a conventional united states government treat a foreign power if its leader had done the following? a, tweeted about coup attempts, accused his own government about having a deep state working against him, wrote to a world leader, don't be a tough guy, don't be a fool. tried to make world leaders come to his private property for a global summit. used a private attorney to investigate political foes abroad and then asked foreign leaders to investigate his political rivals and some would

say carrying out a shadow foreign policy. while all of this is going on, it's worth noting that some of the rest of the world is literally on fire. you've got hong kong, protesters there took to the streets in defiance of a ban. police firing tear gas at the group setting up roadblocks as protesters continue to press for accountability and political rights. in lebanon, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of anti-government protesters took to the streets of beirut in another day of anti-government protests there. the protests began earlier in the week when the government imposed new taxes that hit low income groups the hardest at a time when unemployment is rampant and so is corruption. on friday the lebanese prime minister said he may resign if the government doesn't sort it out within 72 hours. rick, all of this happening but at the same time we're consumed by the president possibly hosting his -- you know, this g-7 summit at his resort in florida.

but let's engage in that thought exercise for a moment. >> yeah. >> what would we do if a world leader from a european ally was behaving this way with everything else happening in the world? >> one of my observations about president obama was that he wasn't good with the crazy. he would avoid world leaders that were not rational. he sought out world leaders who were rational. i would say more seriously, if it was a country where we had national interests, we would express what our values are. if you look at the green revolution in iran a number of years ago, we express support for the protestors. we should be expressing support in hong kong right now. that's one of the things we have tried to do as a country is be on the side of people looking for independence, looking for autonomy and democracy in a way that these authoritarian leaders like donald trump who's abusing the trust of the people. >> evelyn to your point quickly, someone who sat in high-level meetings, you have to advise principles at all parts of the

american government. if you saw world leader behaving that way, what would you be telling your american colleagues about the state of that country and that leader? >> yeah. i mean, we wouldn't be engaging in any high level diplomacy with that leader. we wouldn't be providing very much in the way of any kind of assistance or, you know, doing anything really cooperatively. i think what's worse, ayman, is what -- if a country did what the united states did in the middle east, in syria, we would -- you know, we left france high and dry so that -- if it happened to the united states, we would have been in the u.n. we would have been getting everyone on board with an arms embargo of us. an arms embargo of us. there would have been no diplomatic engagement. erdogan has no business coming to washington any time in the future. it's complicated because he's a nato ally. we would have been treating such a country very differently. >> john, your final thoughts on

this. >> there is a world leader who follows this model or did and that's silvey yes b silvio berl italy. he had a series of governments. very strange personal behavior. the difference between he and trump is that it's not like he wasn't a man of his word, it's just that he was kind of unbelievably unconventional political leader in the 21st century and eventually the italian system finally spat him out. >> right. >> we could deal with him because if he said he was going to do x, he sort of did x. if he said he was going to do y, the thing about trump is you can spend six months making policy with him and then he'll call -- you know, he'll call erdogan on the phone and the policy will change. so how any -- i think what you do if you're a world leader looking at trump is you figure

nothing -- you can't take anything that he said as -- at face value. >> not to mention he tweets every other minute and sometimes conspiracy theories as well. thank you all very much. elizabeth warren says that her medicare for all plan is coming soon after taking flak from the 2020 field during the last debate. kasie dc is back after this. af. ♪ be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so. so i talked to my doctor about humira. i learned huople who still have symptoms of crohn's disease after trying other medications. and the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission

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two nbc news road warriors. shaquille bruewster and josh letterman who just spoke with senator elizabeth warren yesterday after she teased more details on a medicare for all plan. shaq, let me start with you. first of all, give us a read of how things went yesterday for bernie's comeback. quite the turnout. you've been covering bernie. was he on point? >> he was. it capped off what was a pretty strong week for senator sanders. it started with the debate performance that his campaign was celebrating. he had $33 million in the bank. that's more than any other candidate. then the endorsements started rolling in. congressman omar, michael moore and alexandria ocasio-cortez. she headlined that big rally. i got to speak to them backstage before the rally. here's what they told me. >> i'm trying to prove that the

ideas that alexandria and i believe in are the ideas that the working class of this country believes in. >> of elizabeth warren. you said the ideas she's bringing to the table are remarkable and transformational. why not senator warren? >> i think it's not -- this isn't about why not her because we all are on the same team. as i said, senator warren, senator sanders, myself, we represent and i think we hope to uplift the progressive wing of the democratic party. i've volunteered and i worked on senator sanders's campaign in 2016 and i got to see how this campaign is actually organized. >> and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, she called senator sanders while he was in the hospital. this is how this endorsement came about. she called it a moment of clarity. >> let me ask you about the timing of this. is there a particular reason why they felt now? was there any suggestion that the campaign was perhaps struggling and they needed this

huge jolt, which they definitely got yesterday? >> i asked that to aoc and she said, no, it wasn't about the timing. she used the phrase, moment of clarity. senator sanders was off the campaign trail three weeks before this rally. this was the first rally since his heart attack on october 1st. it was definitely pent up energy for senator sanders. they haven't been able to see him outside of that debate. it's time to show he's still a force in this campaign. that's something his aides and advisors have been trying to get across to reporters all week. >> he definitely showed up, his supporters. let's cross over to josh letterman. she has a plan for everything. she's trying to flush out one area where she's getting criticized. what is her plan for her medicare for all plan? >> yeah, that's right, ayman. this is an issue that's been dogging her campaign for several days now. how is she going to pay for this? is it going to involve raising taxes? we know some of her rivals

ganged up oen her about it during that debate. it's continued to be an issue. several of the other candidates questioning how she's going to pay for it during the sunday shows. elizabeth warren, her first event, said she'll roll out a new plan explaining how she will pay for it. i pressed her after that event and whether it will make sense on waiting for details. >> shouldn't you have decided how you're going to pay for the plan before you released the plan. >> i've been working on the details for a long time. >> is it fiscally responsible to release a plan before you figure out how you're going to pay for it? >> i think there have been many estimates for what the cost is going to be and many different payment histories. i've been working on how to get at the exact details on how to make that work. >> and, ayman, elizabeth warren took the stage behind me in des moines, iowa. we'll have to see if she has anything more to add about the health care plan and all of the

costs when she's addressing support here tonight. >> i wanted to get your thoughts quickly. did elizabeth warren address the endorsement that bernie sanders got yesterday? did she feel there was a little momentum behind him? she paid tribute to elizabeth warren. is the campaign commenting at all about the fact that she did not get that endorsement from aoc? >> they have been not talking about that trying not to focus on that and instead emphasizing that she's running her own race as her own person and isn't running against bernie sanders per se but running for what she believes in. they're hoping people will focus on that. >> phillip, your thoughts really quickly on this. is there a double standard in talking about elizabeth warren having to flush out her medicare for all at this stage? do we play by different rules with different candidates and president trump who never flushes out the details? >> this is something that has been seized upon by a lot of folks in part because she has

been deliberately cagey in answering the question. bernie sanders is very up front. we're going to raise taxes. on the other end people will see a lot less in costs. warren has deliberately tried avoiding saying that. probably to avoid having the sound bites. i think it's important to note exactly what you've just said, it's not quite as -- like we're just coming up with -- we're going to spend all of this money, we have no idea what's going on. a little bit more nuanced. >> olivia, you said you have news to share? >> not so much news but, i mean, i just checked in with a couple of latino supporters for bernie sanders who turned away from bernie sanders and who were with castro. so i did a little check-in. so how does aoc endorsing bernie, how does that impact? i wasn't expecting them to say it was going to move them. to me surprisingly because i felt this was a very political move but they were like, you know what, aoc, we follow her.

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welcome back to kasie dc. packed schedule of impeachment inquiry hearings, trying to profit off an international summit and abandoning our allies in syria. at the same time the white house has issued a proclamation. this week, believe it or not, is actually national character counts week. let us set an example for others of the timeless values of respect, compassion, justice, tolerance, fairness and integrity. and in that spirit the president has announced he will not hold next year's g7 economic forum at one of his own results in florida, blaming media and

democrat crazed and irrational hostility. the mayor of doral, florida, said he was not initially notified to hold the decision there in the first place or the decision not to hold it there, believe it or not. officials in the area on the short list include locations in utah, hawaii. they said they didn't even get a call from the white house about hosting the summit there possibly as well. and with that, i would like to welcome in my panel. with me on set this hour, white house reporter for the associated press and msnbc political analyst john that lamere and nbc political analyst as well, and in washington, d.c., david farenthal. and from pbs newshour and nbc political analyst yamiche sindor.

congratulations to you, yamiche, on the honor. we're all very proud of you. >> thank you very much. >> mick mulvaney's performance. i wanted to ask you if you or anyone else has figured out why mick mulvaney decided to have this news conference, throw this hand grenade into washington, d.c. and try to clean up the mess. >> it's been a strange couple of days for the acting chief of staff. he went out with the president's blessing. the president was on his way to texas for event and rally. vice president and secretary of state were on the way to turkey to try to broker the cease fire that's apparently not holding in syria. mu mulvaney was tasked, thinking that the president should not do so, that it would not be well received, successingses from democrats and critics that it was violating the clause. then, of course, he received questions on a number of topics.

he hasn't done that many briefings before he can spar, he can joust, well spoken, verbost. he likes it this one didn't go very well and made a real mess it, particularly on the idea of quid pro quo. immediately those in the west wing, some of whom were already soured on his handling of the impeachment inquiry to this point started suggesting maybe this is time for him to go. department of justice and jay sekulow immediately distance themselves from what he was doing and he to put out a statement with the president's blessing try to clean it up. he was on the sunday talk shows basically saying he didn't say what we all heard him say. >> it was recorded. >> he made the mistake of saying it on liefb television. >> where does he stand tonight? >> our latest reporting was that he was already in some sort of jeopardy before this performance, but at least for now, though the president was not happy with what happened the other day, he's not immediately at risk of being dismissed in

part because the president doesn't really have anyone to replace him with. it's been such a challenge for this administration to both hire and then retain high-quality individuals, talented career officials to fill these roles that there's a sense they're not sure where they would turn to next even if they were to dismiss mulvaney. the president does not seem inclined to fire him. in donald trump's world it could change with a tweet. >> over the past couple of days in washington, d.c., where mick mulvaney stands, as jonathan was saying, perhaps in part because there's no one to replace him. how much does the president's calculus take into account that some of the lawmakers do not buy the sflanexplanation that he ga this morning? >> white house is putting out there that the president has confidence in mick mulvaney

shortly after that press conference did not go the way he expected it to go. the president was quick to say i'm happy with his performance. that said, mick mulvaney had to reverse himself. from an acting chief of staff we don't normally see that. then the president of the united states is something has reversed himself. which is something he doesn't do ever. i need to solve this problem, even though immigration experts say child separation is still happening. on the shutdown, he said he loved the idea of a shutdown and then reversed himself and ended up losing to nancy pelosi in that chicken game and the president having to deal with the fact that the g7 was not palpable to be held in trump national doral by his own republican party. he's dealing with with pushback from republicans who he needs to really have his back as the democrats really continue their impeachment inquiry. but from the reporting that's coming out tonight from "the wall street journal," we're

hearing that republican lawmakers are the ones who said this is something we cannot defend. we're having to defend you on so many things, this g7 happening at doral is not something we want to have to talk about or defend. and the president had to change his mind. >> a slip of the tongue of mick mulvaney on fox news. listen to what he had to say in trying to defend the president's decision. >> at the end of the day, you know, he still considers himself to be in the hospitality business and he saw an opportunity to take the biggest leaders from around the world and he wanted to put them on the absolute best show, the best visit that he possibly could. he was very comfortable doing that at doral and i think we were all surprised at the level of pushback. i think it's the right decision to change and i imagine we'll find some place else. >> you say he considers himself in the hospitality business. >> yes. >> he's the president of the united states. >> yeah! >> david, this is a perfect segue to you. you've been covering the decision at least into why he

decided to have it there in the first place. what does that moment say about where the president's head space is, the fact that he considers himself to be in the hospitality business and the fact that he wanted to have a world summit at his own resort was revealed by his acting chief of staff. >> it's a very revealing moment to me. to me it shows where trump has been heading for a long time. if you remember at the very beginning of his administration, he had the press conference with the big stacks of paper where maybe the paper was fake, i don't know. but the promise was made at the time, trump is separating himself from his business. yes, he's going to own it, keep track of it. it would be too hard to sell it. he will separate himself completely. he's not going to know or care what it does. he only cares about the american people. we've seen a slow erosion of that to the point now that the trump administration and trump organization are effectively the same thing and trump is using one to help the other. that's happened in smaller ways

where he has taken side trips out of presidential trips in europe to visit his golf courses but dorial was such a bigger step. he said i have the power as president to put this summit anywhere i like, i'm going to help myself. mulvaney said he's a hospitality man. that's an interesting viewpoint into the president's point, i'm going to help myself if i can. >> about the republicans holding rank with the president but breaking with him on the g7 issue and on syria, which we'll get to later in the program but the fact that some were saying this is indefensible. >> it is and basically they're saying we can't carry all this water for you. you're going under impeachment. it's not going well for you. >> mick mulvaney on thursday. >> none of this is going well. on thursday we had ambassador sondland's testimony, which was also very unnerving for the

president. republicans are tired of all of this. the policy with syria really did upset republicans. to jonathan's point earlier, remember that the last person who he gave -- president trump gave a favorable review for a press conference was labor secretary. that didn't work out too well. >> just a moment ago g7 was the case, in some cases was starting to look like an open secret, foreign nations booking events and hotel rooms at trump properties. 22 foreign governments, at least appeared to have spent money at trump organization properties, hinting at a significant foreign cash flow to the american president. the country with the biggest tab, you might not be surprised. he loves them. saudi arabia, according to "the wall street journal." saudi lobbyists spent more than

$270,000 to house six groups of visiting veterans at the trump hotel in washington, d.c. then, of course, there's the readout of that now infamous call between donald trump and ukrainian president zelensky, who made sure to note this. actually, last time i travelled to the united states, i stayed in new york near central park, and i stayed at the trump tower. so, david, world leaders, they know that this is a way to win or curry favor with the president. it does not have to be spelled out by the white house. as we showed from that transcript or summary of the transcript with the ukrainian president, he totally brought that up on his own, completely unsolicited. >> that's right. i don't think you need to put up a sign, hey, foreign governments are welcome. the message is clearly out that he goes to their properties often and tell people they're great. it's probably the tip of the iceberg. politico had a story about how much trump brings it up when

he's talking to foreign governments, asking for compliments on his business. >> yamiche, where does the president's week start off tomorrow morning, looking at the week ahead? sutu susan was mentioning impeachment, a lot more testimony coming down this week. is he vulnerable? he has had three rallies in the past week or so. by some analysis it suggests he tries to blanket himself in support and tune the outside world out. >> the president is starting to leak from a place of weakness. there's a feeling inside the white house but also in the president's own mind that he has had to really stomach a lot of losses. this is a president who obviously has not felt like he wants to be someone who has to apologize or reverse himself. he's now looking at a week filled with more depositions, more testimony on the hill. he's also going to be looking at republicans, some of them who went to turkey with nancy pelosi

to figure out kind of how to figure out the situation there and how to work on whether or not that cease fire is going to help the kurds that the republican party has said he has abandoned as part of his policy. those are two big things that will be looming over this president. add to that the fact that he has had to reverse himself on the g7. i think he's feeling really frustrated and anxious. in some ways he's feeling that the people working around him maybe don't have his best interest in mind. he has been complaining about the fact that he has spies working in the white house i think we're seeing a president who feels more and more frustrated about his situation. ayman, thanks so much for that shout out. my mom is watching so i want to say thanks. >> any time your mom is watching, we're proud to give her some love on this program. the jonathan took a shot at camp david. here is what he had to say about it. camp david is very rustic. it's nice. you would like it. this was trump speaking in an interview with european

journalist before taking office. do you know how long you would like it for, about 30 minutes. >> not quite to the president's taste. he has not been there nearly as often. barack obama went a fair amount as well. he is slated to go there next weekend, first time in a couple of months. that's not his style, as david has covered so extensively. on any down time he's spending time at his properties, not just mar-a-la mar-a-lago, but going to the golf course in suburban virginia. rare nights he leaves the white house in washington unless he's going to an event, he does not go socially to the restaurants in part because i think he's afraid of the reception he will get there in a deep blue city. only time he goes out for a soshl dinner, he goes to his hotel. >> really quickly, what does it say about the president wanting to host the taliban at camp david for that announcement that

was supposed to take place about the peace talks, but not world leaders and friendly allies? >> ayman, nothing this president does shocks me anymore. when he was willing to have the taliban, the day before 9/11, i believe it was, or day after, i mean, that shows just how little knowledge and seriously that knowledge also shows with what he did in syria, making a decision just based on phone call. and we are now seeing, frankly, that he has failed the commander in chief test. >> i wonder if the taliban would be upset that they didn't get an invite to doral or these other places that the president owns. david, thank you for your reporting as always. next, max rose joins us live. i'll ask him why he says our enemies are celebrating president trump. after this. celebrating president trump. after this align naturally helps to soothe your occasional digestive upsets, 24/7.

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joining me now is democratic congressman from new york, max rose. he earned a purple heart in infantry badge. congressman, always a pleasure to have you here on set. >> thanks for having me in your fourth hour of tv. >> on television today, exactly. let me get your thoughts on what has been a bit of a bizarre week in washington. people have been saying this is the worst week of president trump's presidency.

it seems like every week is a worse week. what do you think dow make of this week? >> from a national security perspective, i'm one of the loudest proponents of ending forever wars. i don't want to come off here as if i believe in never ending continued wars but the way in which we end large-scale operations, soldiers from being deployed to the middle east or central asia is working with and through our allies, folks like the kurds. it's not only cheaper from a monetary standpoint but also we lose far less blood. our most powerful and significant natural resource. what we did this week sent a message that our word doesn't mean anything. and what i mean by that is that we did it so quickly and in such a haphazard manner that there has to be some level of consistency and planning in how we conduct our foreign policy and how we bring along global

leaders. and you didn't see anything like that. it would be naive to say there should be a kurdistan in this part of the world. that would catalyze a very large conflict in the region but this was done in an incredibly poor manner. >> isis prisoners are streaming out of prisons right now. that will threaten our stability, global stability and regional stability. >> the president saying he's bringing troops home, that's not true. we're sending more troops to the region and his secretary of defense is saying they're not coming home. they're going to western iraq. >> absolutely. >> he's not even doing what you're saying. >> no, he's not. >> downsizing or minimizing our footprint in the middle east. >> the only way to downsize this is leading with diplomacy and economic tools. what he largely did here is scared off our allies and shifted soldiers to iraq and saudi arabia. and, you know -- but it's

unfortunate that he is using the language of saying ending our forever wars. he's using the language. >> do you think he's trying to deceive american voters? >> absolutely. the american people are so united around the need for this. they're so united around the fact that we have to get out of afghanistan. they're so united around the fact that they don't want to see this next generation of soldiers engaging in forever wars. he should not be saying that he's doing that when he's doing exactly the opposite. >> let me get your thoughts, obviously, as a respected veteran. the president saying that saudi arabia paid for american troops to go there. essentially suggesting that the american military -- sounds like a mercenary army, and then saying on top of that, we're going to secure a benefit from the oil fields in sawed a arabia. are you offended when the president talks about the american military, that they're paying for our troops to protect them? >> this has been language that he has used, been awfully consistent, in that what we should largely have is is a

transactional form of foreign policy that we are paid to do things. the world that we see today is only a product of american leadership. the stability, the economic growth, the spread of liberalism is only a consequence of american leadership and what this president is saying is he would have wanted to be directly paid for that. that is wrong and it also is foolhearty. to say that i'm offended is actually wrong. i think it's idiotic and it's not a plan for future leadership of this country. >> you brought up the issue of isis. from where you sit in congress and what you're briefed on, on a daily basis, how concerned are you? >> absolutely. there's multiple threats here. there's the threat of isis soldiers, prisoners streaming into western europe and engaging in some type of terrorist attack. there's always the threat that they will come to the homeland as well. but there's also another threat that we're not talking about nearly enough. that is the way in which this

will and could inspire radicalization via social media across the world. probably the most likely threat. definitely the most likely threat we face is of the self radicalized gunman who has been radicalized by media. they have a fantastic story to tell, escaping from prison, potentially restoring the caliphate. it is a story we cannot allow to be told and the only way to prevent it from coming to fruition is by working with our allies. isis remains a threat. the notion of terrorism as a threat that we can only see in our rear view mirror is totally wrong. it will continue to be a massive threat for the duration of our respective lifetimes and we have to act accordingly. >> elijah cummings, colleague of yours who passed away this week. he will lay in state in congress. your thoughts about what he meant to you in the short time that you had a chance to serve

alongside him. >> elijah was and remains the moral compass, the north star for not only the democratic caucus but congress at large and america at large. the fact for a year he was a colleague of mine, i can't even comprehend and also will remain one of the greatest privileges of my life. but i can tell you that elijah, his belief in social justice and his belief in fighting for what is right, not just what is popular, that will live on in the halls of congress. we owe him that. we owe his family that. we owe the country that. >> we all certainly hope we could live up to his words as well. congressman max rose, thanks for your time. take care. as the state department closes their investigation into the use of private emails by hillary clinton, inside bill barr's expanding and controversial investigation into the origin of the russia probe.

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the trump administration is looking back to 2016. william barr has expanded a review into the origins of the

russian investigation into the last presidential campaign. connecticut u.s. attorney john durham leading the review wants to question a number of intelligence officials and as scrutiny continues over the claims of a quid pro quo between the president and ukraine, they're using the origins of the investigation to defend. >> there's an ongoing investigation into the 2016 election. i can't remember the guy's name. >> durham. >> durham. >> i think they were trying to hurt trump. may have been working with the democrats. i want somebody to look at ukraine involvement in our 2016 election like mueller looked at the russian involvement. >> joining me with more, one of the reporters who broke this, julia ainsley.

thank you for joining me this evening. do we know who john durham has talked to and who he wants to talk to? william barr has traveled, been overseas to italy and elsewhere to piece together this investigation. bring us up to speed on what exactly he is investigating and what we know so far. >> i would be happy to, ayman. it's largely an investigation that's been kept in the dark. we've been so focused on everything with the ukraine call and what the president has been asking for on joe biden that this is an investigation that the justice department announced right after the end of the mueller probe that instead of focusing on the end of that, they would actually be going back in time and william barr appointed john durham, u.s. attorney of connecticut, to look at the origins of the probe, what became the mueller probe. and so we can now report that john durham is expanding his staff. he's expanding his timeline. he is working very closely with william barr. and he wants to speak with

members of the cia. cia analysts, low level, who are now lawyering up, getting ready to be interviewed. also he wants to speak with john brennan, former director of the cia and james clapper, former director of national intelligence, to talk about their role and what started this. we also understand that they are now looking at conduct that goes beyond inauguration day. that's significant. that means they're not just looking at the slice of time that would have led to things like fisa warrants that initially kicked off this investigation in the summer of 2016, back when james comey was director of fbi, but it goes further. it could include conduct by mueller, people on his team. it's going wider. and the person who approves all of this, who overseas it and says to john durham, yes, keep going, that's the attorney general. that's william barr. it's significant because the white house is using that talking point that you just played to show that this is a

justification for the president to be calling foreign leaders and asking for, in this case, more dirt on his political opponents in the next election, because of what happened in 2016. so, they're using this to prop open a wide door. >> susan, is this a political move by the u.s. attorney in connecticut and william barr, to try to kind of keep the 2016 investigation lingering long enough for it to be a factor in the 2020 race? >> absolutely. and, according to julia's reporting, which is amazing, is they're going to keep using this as a talking point. they can now say there's an ongoing investigation. and if they are, in fact, expanding it, they're looking for -- they are looking for a problem. they are looking for something to hang their hat on because everything is going so poorly for the president. all bill barr has ever done since he was put in this investigation is done things to make the president happy. the president needs someone to

blame for something, bill barr is going to go find him. >> yamiche, this could be possibly a political talking point. lindsey graham said it over the weekend and mick mulvaney as well, talking about it from the podium the other day. is this likely to feature front and center? >> it seems possible because the president is looking to have some sort of talking point to tell the american people he's justified in having these conversations with china, ukraine, where he's saying look, i need some information. i need you to look into things. i'm remembering the fact that when the president of italy came to the white house last week there was an italian reporter who said can you justify and talk more about what bill barr was doing in italy, looking into the investigation into the mueller investigation? and there was not a real clear answer given there. what we see essentially is this pattern emerging where foreign

reporters, along with white house domestic reporters, are looking into what are the activities that this white house is doing and how are they gathering other foreign governments and the power of other foreign governments to look into their political opponents. this is the president's way of possibly justifying that. there are going to be people, possibly in his base and maybe the republican party, who are going to be looking at the president's messaging and echoing it as they try to justify the president's actions. >> final word to you on this. department of justice under the inspector general, michael horowitz. probed the origins of the 2016 russia campaign in u.s. elections, why is that sufficient? why are they still -- what's the argument that they're making that there is a there there, from their perspective? >> the president would always ask where is my. he has that now, william barr

acting on behalf of the president as opposed to the land. we're trying to attempt to reverse engineer the 2016 election, and that investigation by robert mueller, point to these ideas that have been on the conservative fringes, the idea that ukraine was involved. they might have the hillary clinton or dnc server. there's no evidence of that. to the idea we've seen rudy giuliani do this all the time as well, to make things murky, to throw stuff at the wall, to confuse people. if they can go back and talk 2016 and get ukraine involved. >> they're doing this for voters. >> it's not about investigation. it's about voters, trying to suggest there was no wrong doing previously. did not find that there was collusion. this is a way to excuse what the president's behavior is now with ukraine. to excuse that phone call. to excuse the request he made of

the ukrainian leader. if they can keep this going into the next election the more this looks like fog and noise, the less it becomes damaging. >> julia ainsley, thank you for your reporting. prophetic words from elijah cummings, who died this week. i'll speak with congresswoman eleanor holmes norton as she picks up the mantle of oversight. picks up the mantle of oversight. up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ hey allergy muddlers... achoo! ...do your sneezes turn heads? try zyrtec... ...it starts working hard at hour one... and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day.

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will lie in state in the u.s. capitol where he spent so many years of his life, dying at the age of 68. here he is, in 2017, framing how he saw his role. >> do you think that michael flynn should be charged with a crime? >> that's not my decision. that's not my decision. my decision is to look into this, investigate it, present it and let others make those kinds of judgments. you cannot allow situations where the congress requests documents and basically the white house says take a hike. that's simply unacceptable. and in a sense, a very dangerous precedent. >> prophetic words there from elijah cummings. for now the white house is doing just that, blocking subpoenas and document requests in the impeachment inquiry, just as we heard congressman elijah cummings warn during the michael flynn case.

a close friend and colleague of copying congressman cummings, congresswoman eleanor holmes norton. as we just played there, congressman cummings warned us about the white house stonewalling subpoenas. is the congress getting what it needs to form articles of impeachment? >> closed hearings, remember, they're closed because we're in the investigatory stage. the breakthrough is that we have career state department people coming forward. and now even sondland, who was his european adviser, who got somehow involved in the ukraine, coming forward to be sure they come forward with subpoenas but we haven't had to go to court to get them to come forward. it looks as if increasingly, whether political or career

people, there are a growing number of officials who do not need to mean to be caught in the trump impeachment mess. >> what would lead you and your colleagues perhaps to draft articles of impeachment? >> we're not there yet. but i tell you what is interesting to me. we don't hear whether career people or appointed people, contradictions. i think that's what you would expect. but, in fact, what we're hearing are really confirmations of what we were hearing ever since the mueller report. remember, there were many democrats, at least, who believed that there were -- there was a basis for impeachment in the mueller, ten mueller findings.

we have been far more careful than that. that is rolling out so that all i can tell you is our cup runneth over. >> my colleague yamiche would like to pose a question as well. >> certainly. >> good evening, congresswoman. trump has been able to weather all sorts of controversies and has often come out looking like teflon. what's the biggest challenge that they face as they forge ahead with this impeachment inquiry? if at all, can you take us inside the room when people are testifying? i know a lot of it is classified but anything you can share about what it's like when these testimonies are going on. >> it's interesting to see democrats and republicans in the room. and while most of the questions are asked by counsel, all of us have the opportunity to ask counsel. for all the okays that my republican colleagues have for these proceedings, they have been in on these proceedings and they have had a chance to answer

all their questions. so you don't hear anyone saying, even on the republican side, that what they've been hearing, what they've been participating in is unfair. they felt that let's get all in. let's know as much as we can know so that we can defend the president properly if this inquiry results in articles, articles of impeachment. >> scheduled to be another busy week ahead on capitol hill. a lot to watch out for this week. congresswoman eleanor holmes norton, thank you for joining us this evening. >> always a pleasure. when we return, russia influence in the 2020 race comes roaring back from the democratic nominee of the 2016 race. hillary clinton makes strong accusations at tulsi gabbard and this year's field is not sure how to react to that. is not sur how to react to that align helps to soothe your occasional digestive upsets, 24/7 with a strain of bacteria you can't get anywhere else. you could say align puts the pro in probiotic.

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david's podcast on how she thought russia might meddle in the election. >> they're also going to do third party again. i'm not making any predictions but i think they've got someone who is currently in the democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate, a favorite of the russians. they have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far, and that's assuming jill stein will give it up, which she might not, because she's also a russian asset. yeah, she's a russian asset. i mean, totally. >> congressman gabbard responded to clinton saying she will never forget her decision to endorse sanders in 2016. >> i am running for president to take the democratic party and our country back from the corrupt elite. i'm running for president to bring about a new democratic party, a new leadership that will fight for peace, fight for the people and protect our

planet. >> so, a lot to break down here. let's start with you. what do you make of hillary clinton's comments, failed reference for at least being criticized in that comment that she responded to. was that a smart play by hillary clinton? >> well, it doesn't make sense. and hillary clinton, as a former secretary of state, former u.s. senator, should know better than to do something like that, frankly. i disagree with congressman gabbard on a whole host of thing, especially her support of assad. but that being said, to call her, someone who has served our country, done two tours, to call her a russian spy or a russian absurd is absurd. maybe this gets her in the polling. >> i want to play you guys the

response from gabbard when she was asked by our own msnbc whether she would disavow the support that she's getting from russian state controlled media. watch this. >> do you disavow the report we have seen some russian state media of your campaign. >> any foreign interference in our election is not a good thing. but what we're seeing, this is not about russia. this is about a smear campaign that has been waged against me and my candidacy and my campaign from the very first day that we began. >> there are multiple official twitter accounts that defended your actions. do you disavow their support. >> i don't control them. all i can do is focus on the message that i am bringing to this campaign, the message that i am delivering to voters in this country. and what i wish is that reporters like you and the media would actually focus on what i am saying. >> jonathan la mere, your

reaction to how, a, she's answering to that question and the criticism she's putting back, that members of the media are not focussing on what she is saying when we've had her on the program before. >> and answers like that aren't going to make those questions stop. she hit the one note about how there shouldn't be any foreign interference in the elections, but she didn't do any disavowing there, did she? she wanted to move on. it is going to stoke more questions as to what her relationship is and her time is well taken as a veteran. but this is something she hasn't distanced herself from. what role will be clintons play in this next election? we have bill clinton in the wake of me too feels toxic. hillary clinton less. but i think she's going to have

to pick her spots because there is a sense of fatigue around the clintons and i don't know what value she's really going to bring to the democratic candidate, whoever that might be next year outside of a few perhaps, you know, particular demographics, women, that might still work, but it will be interesting to see. >> fund-raising. >> really quickly, is there a risk here that democrats from hillary clinton onwards, even the candidates who have been asked this question over the course of the weekend since this news broke that they are somewhat cannibalizing themselves when they're going after a candidate like this? >> conversations i've been having is we're happy we're having these vigorous debates and talking about the issues. here they are starting to get personal and it is starting to become about her personal ability to disavow russian support. if we see that continue, you will see more and more democrats say let's talk about health care. let's argue about gun policies but let's not go head to head

with the past nominee and let's not get into twitter battles. you have seen some 2020 candidates wanted to weigh in. corey booker. what you see is the candidates still want to be covered so they will weigh in where they can get media coverage, but it is still problematic for a lot of people if these attacks become personal. >> all thank you very much for joining us this year. when we return, the kasie dvr, what to watch in the week ahead. . . ♪ to walk along the lonely street of dreams ♪ ♪ here i go again on my--- you realize your vows are a whitesnake song? i do. if you ride, you get it. geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more.

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>> this is not just corrupt, this is like south florida corrupt. >> that stunning press conference. >> mick mulvaney said there was in fact a quid pro quo involving u.s. aid to ukraine. >> i never said it was a quid pro quo because there isn't. did i have the perfect press conference? no. >> this administration is the one that did finally give to the ukrainians. >> if there was a quid pro quo, what was it for? >> i'm not going to get into hypotheticals. >> it's not a hypothetical. >> it is. george, you just said if this happened. that is by definition a hypothetical. >> the chief of staff said it did. >> george, you asked me if this happened. it's a hypothetical. got to love those long, awkward pauses there. that was the kasie dvr. we're back with you tomorrow. i should say tomorrow morning from 4:00 to 6:00 a.m., but i'm also back with you tomorrow from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern.

up next, ari hosts a special hour of trump and ukraine: impeachment crisis. where does it stand now and where it is going next. for now, good night from new york. good evening to you this sunday. welcome to our special msnbc series, trump and ukraine: the impeachment crisis. tonight we have for you a new special report on what are clearly these extraordinary developments in the impeachment probe, including the parade of witnesses with damning testimony. now key aids admitting on live national tv to the bribery at the center of the ukraine plot. we have special experts joining us with experience in the justice department running trials on the federal bench and in the u.s. senate, the only place that holds trials for a sitting president. also tonight we have a special look at when a president was