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there was the salve ij crime we all remember and all the victims who are too often forgotten in the events of that day. >> we have found video tape showing the bodies of simpson's ex-wife and an unidentified man. >> nicole brown simpson and her friend ron goldman were brutally murdered. within hours, clues began pointing to her ex-husband, a
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former football hero, and movie star. >> o.j., what can you say about that? >> back up. please, get out of the way. >> the siege by reporters who now surrounded simpson's estate 24/7, his close friend robert kardashian, father of a soon to be famous family had an idea, something he revealed in a legal deposition almost two years later. >> why don't you come and stay at my house for a couple days and then you could come back. it will all blow over by then and then you could return. >> so simpson secretly moved into kardashian's mansion, where he was closely monitored. >> he seemed very depressed, very -- he wasn't like the man i knew. >> with simpson in hiding, lapd homicide detective tom lange and his team uncovered what was later described as a mountain of evidence, a trail that led right to o.j. simpson's bedroom.
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>> all the evidence was blood. >> everything pointed to o.j. simps simpson. >> everything. we had plenty for an arrest warrant. >> three days after the murders, police notified simpson's attorney robert shapiro, and he struck a deal with the lapd. simpson would turn himself in on the morning of june 17th, 1994 at police headquarters. >> you had an agreement to present simpson at 11:00 at barter center. >> yes. nothing written. this was an oral thing. bring him in. if that's what you want to do, get it over with. >> the morning simpson was supposed to turn himself in, he was grief stricken, not only for simpson he said but also for nicole. >> we had a good friendship. >> okay. >> she loved you. >> she never told me she loved me but we had a good friendship. >> did you love her?
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>> yes. >> as the deadline for o.j. simpson's surrender, approached, the lapd was prepping for a live press conference to tell the world that simpson was now in custody. >> and then 11:00 comes and goes. >> and no okay simpson. >> a man hunt was now under way all over los angeles. one of the places police went was the home of nicole simpson's best friend, chris jenner. >> the detectives came over and i said, what are you guys doing here? and they said, well, do you know where o.j. is. >> no. what do you mean -- where is he? >> o.j. simpson had simply vanished. an urgent man hunt for a high profile suspect begins. coming up -- >> mr. simpson is a fugitive of justice. >> how do i explain that we let him get away. >> i think i just saw o.j.
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where they were and what they were doing. that day lapd partner center was the scene of a major news conference on the story simply known as o.j. but with simpson a no show, commander david gascon was left hanging. >> how do i explain that we let him get away? >> the los angeles police department right now is actively searching for mr. simpson. >> it was an audible gasp that sucked the air out of the room. >> mr. simpson is out there somewhere, and we will find him. >> i was embarrassed. i'm representing the organization in front of the whole world, and we're empty handed. >> word spread fast to simpson's 24-year-old son jason about his now fugitive father. as jason detailed in his deposition. >> no, i didn't know he was going to get arrested until the news said that they were looking for him. >> the fbi started making notifications, put out aps.
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>> o.j. simpson remains a fugitive from justice tonight. >> whereabouts went out to border patrol, u.s. customs, airlines, the mexican police and soon many people spotted simpson, or thought they did. >> dozens and dozens of calls came in, put him all over the country. u saw him at a motel. a french restaurant in west l.a. >> none of those tips land anywhere. cops had no idea where simpson was but believed he was with his pal, al, a.c. couldings who was also missing along with his late ford bronco. the lapd waited. hours ticked by. still, no simpson. >> o.j. simpson is not at this location. >> some four hours after simpson was supposed to have surrende d surrendered, an angry district attorney took to the air waves. >> mr. simpson is a fugitive of
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justice right now. and if you assist him in any way, you are committing a felony. >> by now the work day was winding down, the l.a. traffic building. it would be dark soon. simpson's attorney robert shapiro still had no idea where his client was. >> o.j., wherever you are, for the sake of your family, for the sake of your children, please surrender immediately. >> then simpson's close friend robert kardashian read something stunning, a letter from simpson himself. >> i have nothing to do with nicole's murder. i loved her, always have, and always will. thanks for making my life special. >> in 1995, kardashian told
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"dateline" he believed simpson's letter was essentially a suicide note. >> when i read that letter, i already thought that he was dead. >> not fred goldman, ron's father, who in 2014 told us he didn't buy it for a minute. >> i had this feeling that it was just a pile of [ bleep ], he's trying to get away. >> and, in fact, simpson was still alive. just before 6:00 p.m., an eagle-eyed couple on an l.a. freeway spotted the bronco. >> i think i just saw o.j. simpson on the 5 freeway. >> within a minute, orange county sheriffs were on him. >> police highway patrol, orange county sheriff. >> soon, tv news choppers were on their tail, beaming live pictures. >> o.j. has a gun to his head. >> marcia clark, just assigned to prosecute simpson for murder watched with the rest of the world. >> this looks like flight to me. and that is conscious of guilt
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in the law. >> i have o.j. in the car. >> okay. where are you? >> please, i'm coming up the 5 freeway. >> okay. >> right now you got to tell the police to just back off. he's still alive but he has a gun to his head. >> a gun. those two words transformed the story. to police, o.j. simpson was now armed and even more dangerous. >> what's the state of mind? is he going to start shooting? now it's about the gun. is he going to commit suicide or not? i don't know. >> whether he was actually despondent over his dead wife or simply feared arrest, when deposed, simpson claimed he was suicidal, with a 357 magnum at his side. >> what was your purpose in taking the gun out of the bag and putting it in your hand? >> using it. >> to kill yourself? >> yes. i was feeling a lot of pain and it wanted it to stop. >> what was the cause of that pain? >> losing nicole.
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>> nicole. her grave is where simpson claimed he and his pal were secretly headed when they slipped out that morning. >> i felt at peace at that point in time, the day of the 17th, once i got in the bronco. >> if you felt that peace in that bronco, why did you want to kill yourself? >> because that's why i felt at peace. i thought all my pain was about to end. >> simpson said he and cowlings went to the cemetery but it was blocked by police. so to avoid the cops, simpson claim the two then drove the bronco to a nearby orange grove and parked. >> we turned on the radio and realized what was going on. >> what did you hear on the radio? >> that they were hunting for me. >> simpson said he told cowlings to head in a different direction. >> take me to my mom or he said i'm taking you home. >> that said simpson is how they ended up heading north on the 5 freeway, where he and cowlings would soon be followed by a
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parade of police cars. >> there are lights flashing, and there are headlights flashing as well. >> early on the chase looked as if it might end, when a visibly angry cowlings stopped and started screaming at the caravan of cops close behind, and then cowlings and simpson took off again. as detective tom lange watch aid long with everyone else, he knew this could soon turn even more dangerous and perhaps deadly. >> you don't just let this happen. so i get a phone number. i tried to call him. >> just let me get to my house. coming up -- a chase turns spectacle. >> and i thought, oh my god. this is not good. he has murdered two innocent people and you're cheering his escape. and a high-stakes race to the simpson estate. >> it was supreme chaos.
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i've ever seen. >> by now the chase was being broadcast live across the country. >> 10-4, we copy there is no one in front of the vehicle running the brake. >> that evening, game 5 of the nba finals between new york and houston was also under way. so now, viewers were treated to a split screen of two very high stakes contests. for the first time, the criminal justice system had become a spectator sport. >> 10-4 northbound, number 2 lane at 40 miles per hour. >> we're looking at live television pictures -- >> by now a super bowl sized audience was watching, and so many were so unwilling to miss even a moment that sales records were shattered at dominos pizza. also watching was roger sandler, a photo journalist on assignment for "time" and "life" magazines,
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sensing s.w.a.t. would be involved. put him in the middle of a largely unknown chapter of the simpson story. >> i came down and the tv was on. and there was the aerial picture we all saw of the bronco. >> watching at s.w.a.t. headquarters was the sergeant who would play in a big part in the standoff. >> we believe believed at some point in time there would be a detention a stop. >> the truck is not pulling over. the chase has been going on for some time. >> but cowlings kept driving and as the convoy approached an l.a. airport, another complication, crowds. >> people are lining up. >> huge crowds now stopped to gawk as the chase passed by, some of them even supporting simpson. >> 10-4, copy, pedestrians in front of the suspect's vehicle. >> marcia clark still watching
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was now horrified, already sensing more trouble lay ahead. >> and i thought, oh my god, this is not good. >> that's a little sample of what is to come. >> he's murdered two innocent people and you're cheering his escape. it gave me a full-on view of what we were up against. >> there are pedestrians all over the roadway, 10-4. >> also watching was nicole simpson's close friend kris jenner. >> it was surreal. i'm watching one of my close friends, a.c., driving the car. they're saying o.j. is in the back with a gun. >> and as he drove up the freeway, though, you still had the gun up, right? >> yes. >> how close to any part of your body did you put the gun. >> it was laying on my chest. >> copy, approaching century boulevard. there's peds all over the
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freeway. >> normally the last place anyone would want to be during rush hour. but now both commuters and cops were sharing the road with the world's most famous fugitive who was holding a loaded gun. >> thinking, well, he's going to blow his brains out. i don't know. we're going to have to wait and see how this plays out. >> but there was one way to find out. >> so i tried to call him. >> just let me get to my house. i swear to you i'll give you me. i'll give you my whole body. >> lange used every bit of his training to keep simpson's hands on the phone and off the trigger. >> the kids need you. >> i love everybody. i try to show everybody my whole life that i love everybody. >> then as the chase rolled closer to simpson's brentwood estate, mike alba these and the s.w.a.t. team got an urgent order, race to simpson's house in rush hour, some 15 miles across town.
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>> it was supreme chaos. late friday afternoon. >> and one more thing, beat the bronco there. roger sandler, cameras in hand rode in the car with albanese. roger would be the only photo journalist allowed on the estate. >> the caravan of lapd s.w.a.t. cars was going 80, 85 miles an hour on the california freeways to get to brentwood. we were somewhere between 10, 12 minutes ahead of the bronco. >> 10 to 12 minutes to set up and secure the entire estate before cowlings and simpson, who was still holding that gun, arrived at rockingham. >> and establishing a command of control so that we could move forward. >> soon a brand new and dangerous drama would play out beneath the big trees in o.j. simpson's yard where anything could happen. >> code red on the frequency. coming up --
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>> behind the house. >> o.j.'s son rushes into danger. >> i just turned around and just said jesus. >> and his father at the center of an intense standoff. >> supervisors were very nervous and anxious. >> take him down if you have to. >> kardashian was pleading with me, begging, don't kill him, please don't kill him. >> when "dateline" continues. >> when "dateline" continues ♪ buckle up for some insurance themed fun ♪ ♪ at progressive park! children: yeah! announcer: ride the totally realistic traffic jam. ♪ beep, beep, beep, beep
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i'm dara brown with the hour top stories. the national weather service has confirmed a tornado ripped through dallas overnight. there are reports of injuries and significant structural damage. the storms have knocked out power to over 140,000 homes and businesses across the state. secretary of defense mark esper says all the 1,000 u.s. soldiers leaving syria will be redeployed iraq to continue the fight against isis, contradicting president trump's promise to bring the troops home. now back to "dateline." ♪
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welcome back to "dateline" i'm natalie morales. after leading los angeles police on a meandering car chase, o.j. simpson announced he was heading to his tony estate in brentwood. the suspect in a double murder, simpson was armed and officers believed dangerous. soon the drama would take a surprising turn, putting more lives at risk. once again, here's josh mankiewicz with "chasing o.j. simpson" the untold stories. >> the race to rockingham was on. a s.w.a.t. team convoy versus a ford bronco carrying al cowlings and o.j. simpson just minutes apart. >> information, advising not to close in on the vehicle. >> most of us who think we know the simpson story believe that what happened after that surreal
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chase was just a patient negotiation, getting simpson to give up. in reality, it was an intense standoff between s.w.a.t. and simpson, both armed and on edge. and sergeant mike albanese knew that when both sides converged the whole thing could explode. >> you're headed for rockingham, but you don't really know for what. >> i don't. but what was different with this event is that it was being broadcast live, locally, nationally, internationally. >> s.w.a.t. arrived first. the bronco minutes behind. officers had to scramble. photo journalist roger sandler captured the scene as officers sealed off simpson's estate. >> no one was going to get into simpson's house or on to his property other than a.c.-cowlings and simpson in the bronco. >> there's a lot of pedestrian traffic. >> among the millions watching, simpson's son jason, from a nearby friend's house.
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>> we were looking at the tv and my sister was still saying some more prayers and then, as he had gotten off the freeway, sure enough they came rolling up the street. >> getting close to the house there. >> camouflaged snipers took tactical positions as the bronco approached. outside the gates, police surrounded the property. >> the street was packed full of people and cameras and everything. >> supervisors were very nervous and anxious. they thought this was a very volatile situation. >> s.w.a.t. quickly cleared the house of family. searched the children's play house, even checked on simpson's dogs. >> westbound, sunset boulevard. >> simpson and cowlings were close now and watching on tv was detective tom lange, who was still on the phone with simpson. >> just have a.c. pull over and just toss that gun out and everything will be okay.
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it will be better tomorrow. >> he's taking me home. >> but there was still no swaying simpson. and with the loaded 357 still in his hands, the bronco neared the rockingham gate. >> are you in a position where you can take him down? then a command crackled over the police radio that heightened the intensity. >> use your own discretion you take him down if you have to. >> as with any dangerous standoff the s.w.a.t. team's weapons were ready if simpson had pointed his gun in their direction or fired. deadly force was an option. roger. >> then suddenly, a wild card entered the scene. someone, somehow brushed inside the rockingham gates right behind the bronco. >> we did not know how he got there, what his intentions were. >> somebody is arguing with the driver. >> s.w.a.t. sergeant mike albanese was standing close to robert kardashian who was
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allowed to stay because police thought he could help. >> kardashian said that's jason simpson. so that's a name we're able to call out. he stops. he turns around. >> roger sandler saw it all and still believes jason was then in serious danger. >> jason simpson very well could have been killed that night if he had anything in his hand or had he made a move. >> in the deposition, "dateline" obtained, jason explained he just wanted to see his dad. >> did you run to the car? >> yeah. >> for what reason? >> desperation. i tried to reach through a.c.'s window, and a.c. stopped me and pushed me back. and i guess it kind of shocked me, brought me back down to reality. i had the police behind me yelling and a.c. yelling and i had just turned around and just said, jesus, just get back in the house. let these guys handle it. >> jason was hustled inside and handcuffed. one crisis averted.
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but his father remained in the car, still armed and a potential danger to both police and to himself. >> simpson was resting his chin on the barrel of a revolver. >> in his deposition, simpson said he wasn't thinking about the police. even after spending hours evading them. he claims to have been focussed on someone else. >> by then i was in so much pain for nicole, i wasn't thinking about the police at that point. those weren't things being arrested was not something that was on my mind at that time. >> choppers with cameras continued to hover over the scene. beaming live pictures to the millions who were watching the lapd's every move. >> you got to understand the history of the lapd. there were people betting on us that we were going to fail and have a horrific outcome. and the folks that were there
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were not going to let that happen. >> at times the choppers had trouble getting a clear view. not so for photo journalist roger sandler. he continued shooting pictures. in fact, sandler was so close to the action that robert kardashian mistook him for a cop and made a desperate plea. >> he kept grabbing my arm and begging, don't kill him. you shouldn't kill him. please don't kill him. kardashian was pleading with me with tears in his eyes. >> the team began to negotiate with simpson. >> we immediately go to work. we want to introduce dialogue. >> but they faced yet another challenge. the bedlam surrounding them, the deafening noise made communication next to impossible. >> get rid of these helicopters. we cannot hear. >> and they had to deal with something else, something even less manageable and way more unpredictable.
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>> he's a large male and been agitated now the surrounded inside us. >> the man in the middle right between simpson and s.w.a.t. al cowlings. coming up -- >> please, listen to me. listen to me, o.j. >> he wanted to be the go between, difficult, annoying, obnoxious. >> cowlings was very volatile. he's pointing there's s.w.a.t. guys over here on the lawn, get me out? >> could this get any worse? >> when "dateline" continues. wo? >> when "dateline" continues too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424.
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welcome back. the most wanted man in los angeles was now just yards away from the s.w.a.t. team charged with taking him into custody. o.j. simpson and his friend al cowlings had not budged from the suv since arrived at simpson's stately home. now the standoff was about to escalate. here again is josh mankiewicz with "chasing o.j. simpson:the unfold stories." >> the serenity of this brentwood neighborhood has been shattered. >> rockingham avenue in ritzy brentwood was now calling with c cops and cameras all because of a white ford bronco parked in a driveway as the country watched and wondered what would happen next. inside the man known as the juice had a 357 magnum under his chin. >> juice, come on. just toss it.
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it's okay. s.w.a.t. sergeant mike albanese knew the standoff could only end one of three ways two of which wouldn't be good. >> if he is thinking about suicide, how is that going to happen? is it going to be theater when he gets out and takes out other people then self inflicts? >> still sitting dangerously close to simpson in the front seat is his good friend al cowlings who s.w.a.t. sergeant mike albanese says was not helping but hindering the entire operation. >> he wanted to be the go-between. he was difficult, annoying, obnoxious. we want him out of the process. >> as the tension continued in the driveway, simpson never hung up his cell phone after speaking with detective tom lange, the call was still alive. >> what are you hearing on the
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phone? >> he's not making a whole lot of sense. still a moaning. >> i'm not going to hurt nobody. >> o.j., we know that. pick it up. >> i'm not going to hurt you guys. >> nothing seemed to be changing simpson's mind. the s.w.a.t. team knew to get him out they first had to get al cowlings out. >> listen to me, o.j. listen to me. and then what you could call a fortune mishap. the cell phone simpson was using to talk to the s.w.a.t. negotiator died. now they had an opportunity to get cowlings out of the car to grab a new phone. >> some sort of negotiation going on in the driveway there and it appears to be al cowlings. >> he was able to step out. we enticed him. and then when he got close to the door, we were able to secure him and then remove him from that whole process. >> roger sandler took these exclusive, close-upshots of an agitated cowlings just as he exited the bronco. >> cowlings was very volatile.
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he was complaining there's s.w.a.t. guys over here on the lawn with rifles pointed at us. do they have to be there? get them out. get them out he was saying. >> now for the first time all day o.j. simpson was alone, isolated and perhaps even more unpredictable. >> i ain't going to hurt nobody. >> o.j., we know that. >> i'm not going to hurt nobody. >> but he still has the gun. what is he thinking about now? >> kris jenner was glued to the screen, horrified at what might happen. she had been close to simpson, once considered him almost family. now she didn't know what to think. >> it was devastating. it was, you know, could this get any worse? it's just what's going on? you know, just all the questions and the fear. >> negotiations dragged on and simpson, the accused killer,
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just sat there. >> i think he was overwhelming with everything. >> what's simpson saying in that moment? >> he is talking about being disappointing. it was more emotion, family -- >> somebody from the outside is looking in and they see him looking at the pictures of his kids. >> so the s.w.a.t. negotiator appealed to simpson's sense of family and also played to his large ego. imploring him to protect his legacy and not be remembered this way. >> he was provided a lot of dialogue that was supportive to encourage a surrender. >> finally, after some 40 minutes, a breakthrough. >> he made it clear during the dialogue process that the gun was not for us. >> i would never point anything at you guys. i would never point anything at you guys. >> albanese says simpson finally put the gun down.
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>> when the gun went away, that's a good sign. >> so the s.w.a.t. negotiator walked him through every single detail of how this could now end peacefully. >> if you want to call out to me, 56 minutes of high drama. >> what was o.j. simpson thinking that day in the back of the bronco? we may have found a clue in his deposition. it's something many will find appalling, given the evidence and the widespread belief that simpson killed his ex-wife nicole and her friend ron goldman. >> what were you thinking? >> stop the pain. >> what kind of pain? >> pain? >> pain over what? >> my wife had been murdered. >> you loved her? >> very much. >> and you loved her on june 12th. >> i loved her, yeah. i didn't want to live with her, but i loved her. >> simpson had by now been in that bronco for hours, armed and possibly suicidal.
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welcome back. o.j. simpson was now alone, in the white bronco that police and television crews had been trained on for hours. negotiators managed to lure al cowlings out of the suv and into simpson's house, then they convinced simpson to put down his gun. a perilous show down was nearing its end, and one camera would capture the final moments up close. here's josh mankiewicz with the conclusion of "chasing o.j. simpson "the unfold stories." >> an all-day drama had come down to this. >> police have asked reporters and crews to pull out of the area. >> an intense negotiation in the driveway, surrounded by s.w.a.t. snipers, their rifles aimed at o.j. simpson. millions had watched this drama play out on live tv, but few had been as close to simpson and nicole as kris jenner. >> you just can't believe that this is happening.
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i think all we just kept thinking about was nicole and we're mourning her and dealing with this. very difficult time. >> compound is surrounded. we saw it -- >> we recognized it was the end of the line, that there was no further card to play under these circumstances. >> they're moving around now in a way that indicates that something has happened. >> now he is utterly defeated and want to be wearing your handcuffs. >> in that moment he exited exid the vehicle, that was one pathetic lost soul. >> simpson had finally given up, many believed the always image conscious icon had for once avoided a photo op.
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>> he wanted to just do it under the cover of darkness, so he waited. it was dark. he was done. >> the standoff, which has been going on all day long has ended peacefully. >> according to photojournalist roger sandler who was there, simpson kept apologizing to police. >> i'm sorry, guys. story i put you through this, guys. he never said this is a huge mistake. i didn't do it. i've never said this before, what he did say was it ends like this or i end like this. >> al cowlings was handcuffed and found to be carrying more than $8,700 in cash. >> i'd given it all to a.c. that morning to dispense it among my kids, my older kids. >> inside the bronco, police found an odd assortment of items belonging to simpson that
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together made suicide seem less believable. there was his passport, a fake goatee and mustache, even makeup adhesive, and also the gun simpson had the entire day. he later offered an explanation that many found implausible. >> my kids had asked me to take them to knox berry farm, and i get harassed. i can't say harassed but people are after me all the time when i'm in those places. around 10:00 p.m., simpson took one more ride, this time in a squad car. shortly after simpson's arrival downtown lapd commander david gascon finally delivered the news. >> o.j. simpson is in custody. he's been booked and processed. >> o.j. simpson once wore number 32. now he had a brand new number.
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prosecutors ultimately decided not to charge al cowlings for his role in the chase. a representative for cowlings told da"dateline" he was tryingo save both their lives in an extremely volatile situation, and when detective tom lang interviewed him. >> a.c. was very cooperative. we ended up actually feeling sorry for him. i think he was used by simpson. >> the standoff could have ended any number of ways and history might have taken a very different course. the trial of the century and the fallout from it might never have happened. we all know what did happen. >> we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. >> thank you, jesus, oh, halleluj hallelujah. >> a little more than a year later after a civil trial, simpson was found responsible
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for the deaths of his ex-wife and ron goldman. then in 2008. >> i'm going to sentence you as follows. count two, conspiracy to commit kidnapping. >> simpson was sent to prison for a case involving armed robbery then patrolled nine years later. >> thank you. thank you. >> he now lives in nevada. the question is what next? does he finally recognize i'll just behave myself and just live quietly or is he going to be in the news again? >> today the infamous white ford bronco is parked far from brentwood in a tennessee museum, many years and many miles from when it harbored the most famous fugitive in the world. >> lost in all the dramatic events of the day are the fact that these two young people are
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still gone. it's a tragedy for them. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline," i'm natalie morales, thank you for watching. acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney is trying to clear up his comments about ukraine. he is insisting he didn't admit to a quid pro quo with u.s. aid even though he said last week the u.s. does it all the time. >> president trump reverses course on his plans to held next year's g-7 summit at his resort. nancy pelosi and a bipartisan congressional -- in the wake of president trump's decision to remove u.s. troops from northern syria. ♪
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