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distance all the way through four years in the presidency, do you think from what you know? >> absolutely. what i saw on saturday i saw him give a speech that wept an hour we had a lot to get through and a half. but we did it together. he stood there and powerfully thanks for watching "the beat." told the people what we have to do to make this a better and "hardball" is up next. country. and if you'd been there i'll direct line. tell you, it wasn't the old b p let's play hardball. bernie stump speech. at the end he said i want to find anybody in the crowd that good evening, i'm chris doesn't look like you and look matthews. back in washington while under armed attack by russia the at that person and ask people of ukraine were denied american arms unless the yourselves this question, would president of ukraine declared you fight for them as hard as that he was investigating joe you'd fight for yourself, biden. well, this is the powerful because if you will, that's the testimony today of chief u.s. america that will succeed. diplomat to ukraine bill taylor >> just talks about humanity. who drew a direct line between >> i've known this guy for 30 trump's delivery of needed years and he -- weapons to that country and his >> okay, let's talk about how demand of personal political politics works.
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assistance from a foreign power. politics is about opportunity. ambassador bill taylor is there are elections you can't wrapping up his closed door testimony right now. it's lasted over 9 hours. win. nobody was going to knock off according to members who were in reagan in the second-term no the room with him, his testimony matter who they were. it was undo-able but there are represents a sea change that's the phrase in the investigation opportunities that come along. and elicited sighs and gasps. i worked for jimmy carter but i accept the fact he was the president's tweets today politically weak. reagan comes along, a man of the compared the lawful impeachment hard right. is this a year a man of the inquiry against him to a lynching. progressive left actually and a little later i'll be wouldn't win could win the speaking to michael moore and presidency because of the weakness of this president with all his horrors? amy klobuchar about the state of >> the weakness of the president and the fact that bernie as you the race for president and said from the hard left, he is perceived as the real deal. unseating donald trump. he's outside the box the way we begin with bill taylor who trump was. appeared under testimony by subpoena for a private he's an independent. deposition today. he's still not a member of the according to taylor's opening democratic party. >> i noticed. remarks and i read them, taylor told congress the release of >> but people like that. u.s. military support was >> do you think because of his personal character he is a man contingent on a commitment from to himself? ukraine that they would investigate the bidens. >> everybody knows whether you
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and the 2016 election. agree with him or not, this is he testified the u.s. ambassador somebody who will not sellout. if he was going to cash in, it to the eu gordon sondland, would have happened long ago. quote, told me that president >> let me just tell you, bernie trump had told him he wants was there, i saw behind a card president zelensky to state table selling -- >> he was there in the early publicly ukraine will '60s in chicago getting arrested investigate burisma and as well as the alleged -- and most for -- >> and new cnn poll shows that 41% of americans approve of explosive according to taylor president trump's handling of his job. sondland said everything was i just want to talk you about dependent on such an announcement including security that because you are a man of assistance. sondland said that president the people ever since flynn, trump wanted president zelensky in a public box by making a michigan and the water problem you were looking out for public statement about ordering such investigations. everybody. your mother was working out there just trying to make it. you're a real person. moreover, taimer says the exchange trump was seeking from ukraine was explicitly spelled out to a top official in that country. taylor testified the nfs advisor why do people like you except for your politics stick with his guy? told him sondland told a top who are these people? i love my property put he talks zelensky aid the assistance to me like trump is triumphant money would not come until
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right now? zelensky committed to pursue the >> why do people i know back home -- >> who grew up with the same background you did working class burisma investigation. and taylor took meticulous personal notes which have not white people -- >> well, you said the keyword, yet been handed over to the white. let me say it in a different way, i think that white guys -- committee. joining me now, i want to start with the congressman. tell us, i mean, it struck me as >> outside of detroit. such a well written opening >> yes. they can see the writing on the statement because it's like wall. the women are coming. discovering this horrible mystery story. they've arrived last november. what happened then? here's a diplomat who's come we are now -- this is the eighth back to serve his country as september in a row where the head of mission in kiev and he majority of first graders in this country last month were not white. >> majority. finds out this other thing going on with giuliani and the rest of >> majority were not white. them putting together this drug >> meaning hispanic, deal where they say, okay, if you want the military aid to african-american or asian. >> correct. fight off the russians give us and we now see the shift that white people will be the information on biden. minority, and i think there's >> first of all ambassador some level of fear about that taylor served our country probably in the way that white people in south africa were
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honorably. he served in both democratic and afraid what's going to happen republican administrations and with the black majority. his opening statement that is but of course what happens is -- now in the public domain is >> but the people of south devastating to donald trump. it shows, in fact, there were africa really earned the trouble two quid pro quos. they got. that ukraine had not only have >> but here we have african-americans who are still to go investigate the bidens, they also had to go ahead and on the bottom rung of the ladder after all these years. make it public which essentially and those of us who are white especially white guys still is so that the trump campaign could then use that publicly, having that door opened just a little bit easier for us. and they also had to investigate the dnc and that crazy and we know it. we know we're not followed conspiracy theory for the 2016 around when we go to the elections. it was very damning for the department store. president. >> you make a great point there, >> look, i know what you're talking about. which is that biden wanted -- nobody's looking at you in the restaurant. >> that's correct. so black americans still have it s i'm sorry -- president trump pretty damn rough, and -- wanted to be able to say biden's under investigation in ukraine. >> so that spreads into a white >> absolutely. voter and he votes white. that's why it was so important the ukrainian leader not only do >> yes, because some white these two investigations but also make it public. voters when you're in power you and it's right there in the don't want to lose what you have and let's face it -- opening statement of ambassador taylor. >> what i liked about his >> working class guys struggling
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testimony was the lively along, they don't think they're description of the situation. here's a country, ukraine, elite. whatever you think of it it's they don't think of themselves the front line with the russians. and the russians are trying to rebuild their empire and they as -- >> but they're been told to fear the other. want to use ukraine as part of >> let's be positive because i'd like to hear from you on this the rebuilding of course, and here they are facing russian because i think the culture is so powerful. tank fire and all they want is some javelin missiles to defend we're nut just economics. pelosi, i have a new hero in themselves with to fight the tanks and at that very moment life. and i resisted her because she the president of the united states sends words you don't get resisted. any help right now unless you your thoughts? >> absolutely. there should be a statue already made to her because regardless get me some dirt on my political of what say my political enemies. >> yeah, if you think about the differences might be with her, fact russia was trying to kill she has played this masterfully, and even her opponents have to ukrainians during this period of time and that this was about protecting them. and here's the deal, chris, you admit that. what happened today i think john know, we can quit talking about meacham just said it in the last the whistle-blower and who it brief there that this is -- this is. the whistle-blower is now is the moment today. irrelevant. we now have a conversation that you and i are sitting here -- has been summarized. >> hang onto it. we now have sondland, we have >> the alexander butterfield taylor, we have giuliani, we day. >> exactly. have mulvaney all saying there i just hope they can stay was a quid pro quo. focused for a couple of weeks i mean, this was in fact a
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and do it. shakedown of a foreign >> it has to happen now. you don't draw this out. government for the president's political purposes. that is against >> so many things -- >> no, no. and i hope that people don't get >> do you hear me, democrats? distracted by all the do you hear michael moore? republicans arguing about the get it done before thanksgiving process when you don't have the then you'll have something to be thankful for. facts, you talk about the right? process. you're a man of history, sir. and it is this -- the fact he and your movies are something. recorded all thesis notes, those what's next? >> you're kind to say that. are recorded recollections, they i'm working on something for the can be admissible in court, i think today was a very bad day election year here. >> for 2020. for all the republicans saying, >> yes, that i'll be able to oh, look at the process. they're going to have to come to announce in another month or so. grips with the reality of the it's something i haven't done facts that are in front of them. before, so i hope it'll have a >> josh, i wonder about the powerful impact. reporting because everyone likes to layer this and layer this >> the greatest documentary with all this process. movie in history, it's a bottom line have we ever found a financial fact. >> yes, it's a financial fact president in history who but i also know the impact basically admits what he did, he was bragging about it again with that -- and it won the palm dor, shawn hannity last night, and then he doesn't deny he did what but your next guest, senator he did, except he doesn't like
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klobuchar, i was talking to her the term quid pro quo but it's over there and she was telling me this wonderful story of going so clearly what he's done. on a bike trip across michigan and now this guy has testified with vivid testimony this is 19 with her father and they said exactly what happened. >> what's becoming clear and a cycling accident and he broke clearer, chris, the president his cheekbone. believes it's fine to have a and she told me the hospital she trade, a for b, pretty took him to and it was the same explicitly. he just thinks as long as you hospital that i had my tonsils don't use the phrase quid pro out when i was 10. quo, that's fine. this was a little story that had unfortunately for the president nothing to do with anything, but because we were talking about -- that's not going to be a legal argument. the real question is would that be an argument compelling to where you went, and we're also republicans if they have to face glad that you're back and you're an impeachment trial. alive and you're thriving. >> the guy said today, bill and thank you to the people there. >> i'm big on doctors these taylor, the ambassador he said there's a direct line between days. i really think they know -- what trump wanted and what he >> we all know how we need that was holding up. now. >> michael moore. up next more on tonight's palm >> and bill taylor himself uses shell development as we've been the phrase quid pro quo in his talking about in the impeachment statement to congress. he said this is rancorous story inquiry. amy klobuchar, former about whistle blowers, mr. giuliani, side channels, quid prosecutor, you're watching "hardball." r pro quos, corruption and prosecutor, you're watching "hardball. cologuard: colon cancer screening for people 50 interference in elections. so even if the president doesn't and older at average risk.
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think that's what happened his own ambassador who's working on i've heard a lot of excuses this issue described it in that to avoid screening for colon cancer. specific term. i'm not worried. it doesn't run in my family. >> let's get back to the i can do it next year. no rush. impeachment -- anyway,'re that bill taylor echoed the accounts cologuard is the noninvasive option of shadow foreign policy that he that finds 92% of colon cancers. you just get the kit in the mail, go to the bathroom, collect your sample, then ship it to the lab. called highly irregular because they operate outside the there's no excuse for waiting. get screened. official state department channels and included of course ask your doctor if cologuard is right for you. rudy giuliani. taylor says according to the covered by medicare and most major insurers. national security counsel while trump denied the quid pro quo to sondland he did insist president zelensky go to a microphone and say he's opening investigations of biden and and the 2016 election interference. which that's all made up, the last part. like wise sondland testified, quote, president trump was did you know that feeling sluggish or weighed down adamant, that president zelensky could be signs that your digestive system isn't working at its best? himself had to clear things up and do it in public and taking metamucil every day can help. metamucil supports your daily digestive health otherwise sondland told the ukrainia using a special plant-based fiber called psyllium. ukrainians we would be at stalemate. psyllium works by forming a gel in your digestive system i think this question is pretty -- this shakedown, the president of the united states to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. takes a country that's desperate
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to survive, desperate for metamucil's gelling action also helps to lower cholesterol javelin missiles, in fact, they and slows sugar absorption use to fight tanks. to promote healthy blood sugar levels. russian tanks are advancing so, start feeling lighter and more energetic towards them. they've already taken crimea by taking metamucil every day. from them. they hope to take the whole country frankly starting in the east. and at the very moment of crisis the president says, okay, give me some dirt or you ain't getting nothing. it's so horrible. >> it is unimaginable that a president of the united states would sacrifice the national what?! i think i forgot to lock my buick. security of this country because got it. now our reputation is sullied i bet you lunch you can't make it in there. permanently, that he would play i'm thinkin' sushi. political games with foreign aid for one of our allies. alexa, ask buick to start my suv. and if this wasn't shadow you can do that? you can do that? foreign policy, this was shadow you can do that? yeah, with a buick. political operatives. what? at the heart of every buick suv... this was no different than what is you. they were trying to do at or current eligible non-gm owners get 14 to 20 percent below msrp watergate. this was about trying to win on most of these buick models. elections, not about trying to implement a foreign policy. and, you know, if you think about the chance during the 2016
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election about hillary clinton lashmakes every lash fullyrom maybsensational.ork. and what she actually did, it our fanning brush volumizes every kind of lash... may be time for us to start saying lock him up about rudy ...for a sensational full-fan effect. giuliani. lash sensational. >> i was thinking you're right, only from maybelline new york. senator, it's like the plumbers, it's the plumbers in watergate. i need all the breaks as athat i can get.or, anyway, the white house at liberty butchemel... responded to the news from cut. liberty mu... line? taylor's deposition in this cut. statement late today, quote, liberty mutual customizes your car insurance president trump has done nothing so you only pay for what you need. wrong. this is coordinated mere campaign from far left lawmakers cut. liberty m... and radical unelected am i allowed to riff? bureaucrats waging war on the what if i come out of the water? constitution. liberty biberty... there is no quid pro quo. cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance congressman, i've been reading so you only pay for what you need. with a little bit of dismay you only pay for what you need. might hold up the impeachment ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ process until after thanksgiving. is waiting to embellish the i am totally blind. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, record at some point a mistake? >> that's a good question, chris. we have to follow the facts keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, where it will lead us. the evidence that's come out is and call 844-214-2424. already incredibly damning against the president of the united states. i do want to add in a human i get it all the time. element to this.
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in the opening statement "have you lost weight?" ambassador taylor13,000 ukrainin of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. this war with russia and that more undoubtedly would die because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... because of their holding of u.s. ...and choose any car in the aisle. security assistance. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. so what donald trump did actually resulted in loss of lives. and it's also a crime in u.s. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. national security, i served in looking good, patrick. active duty in the military, one of the central tenants is i know. pushing back against russia (vo) go national. go like a pro. aggression. ukraine is at the tip of the spear, and when we hold back aid to ukraine we're harming our own national security. >> a new poll shows that 50%, half the american people favor not only impeaching trump but welcome back to "hardball." removing him from office. that's consistent with recent senator amy klobuchar emerged polls from gallop and fox news from last week's debate with momentum after one of it strong which also show a majority of americans, 52%, 51% in those showing as one of the progressive people on the left, cases respectively supporting elizabeth warren and bernie the president's removal. sanders. i want to get back to you and since that debate last week congressman, because you're she's raised $2 million and has right there. do you think we have enough -- been barnstorming through new i'm concerned this is that story hampshire and iowa.
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senator amy klobuchar joins me of world war ii, a bridge too now. here's your chance, make your far. if this thing goes into next pitch. why should the democratic year, it seems to be politically party -- and it's wide open, unsavory to impeach and try a president in the middle of the buttigieg they're not sure if iowa caucuses. that's why thought. that's their final resting >> chris, when the white house place. there's a lot of thing about where they stand right now. released the summarized call transcript that was like the watergate tapes. how do you get into that vack it established that donald trump rheum? >> because i want to be the right after a ukrainian leader president not just for half of america but all america? asked for military assistance, and i want to bring pack those he asked for a favor and those two favors are investigate the voters, those independent voters, some of those people bidens, investigate the national that voted for donald trump, democratic committee. all these witnesses essentially there's almost 10% of them that corroborate that narrative which voted for barack obama and is undisputed. donald trump. and it is illegal to solicit a i'm from the midwest, chris. i just finished up touring foreign power to interfere in michigan, wisconsin, our elections. pennsylvania, ohio, iowa, those it's even worse when you blue wall states, and i'm going condition military aid and a to build a blue wall around meeting with the president on it. no one is above the law. those states and make donald trump pay for it. >> can we get it done by >> you say you're -- what's the thanksgiving, the house part? >> it's going to depend on edge that says to a voter get in witnesses but i do think we're going to expedite this, having that voting pathoor caucus and you're going to change your life depositions on the weekends, by voting for me?
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>> i've got good ideas. having two depositions a day. i'm going to bring down the cost >> mitch mcconnell is a wily of health care. i've been leading the effort character without going any actually with bernie to bring further, he's a character. down pharmaceutical prices. from the minute i've got to it >> that's one way of calling senate i've been taking on him. >> and this guy is going to try premiums and i want to have a to hold his majority, thirty-two public option and that's or four seats he can do it. actually going to bring them it's all do-able. the whole thing is up in the air now. and my question is do you think down and i don't think we should he wants this thing over with before new year's or does he give free college to everyone and pay for rich kids to get want to drag it into next year college. i don't think that. during the democratic fight for instead i think we have to make nomination? sure that those jobs, we're >> i think he wants it over going to have the fastest with. i think people forget this door swings both ways. growing jobs one and two. he's got senators in his caucus year degree that we make sure that are in political trouble. people are able to support a family with those jobs, we're you look in iowa where trump is able to fill the health care upside down now and her numbers worker jobs, that when they have have really lipped. those jobs, they're able to you look at people like tom raise their families. tillis who has the worst numbers i think that's the future of in the country right now maybe america in addition to make it as bad as mitch mcconnell's easy for kids to get four-year even. you look at somebody like the s beyond. because we have to be able to senator from arizona who was compete in this global economy. appointed into john mccain's job >> and then it'll pass the in a state that's trendsing our senate? >> yes, because the senate has
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direction. those people have very tough to focus now with a new president. i've got a whole 100-day plan votes. he wants to get this out of the way. this impeachment vote will be with deadlines. we have to change the whole touch. if it's a partisan vote in the politics right now. house mitch mcconnell will try >> i'm with you. to make it partisan vote in the barack obama tried to break it. senate. but i'm hopeful that there will he tried to make the system work be republicans in the house that and republicans hated him. will do the right thing, and i'm >> i think people have reached a point now, the people coming up to me, the people showing up at hopeful there'll be enough in the senate that will look at this as a constitutional our rallies and town halls, obligation and not a political exercise. people saying, look, i voted for >> i depot back to the old disney argument. trump or i didn't vote -- it's what you do with what you got. and if all the democrats can do >> should trump be removed. is impeach him, they should do >> we've got to win big. it. josh, your thoughts. and that means winning the u.s. how far was bill taylor's senate. >> did you find the testimony of brilliant testimony today, it bill taylor today compelling? was so dramatic. how far will this push the >> well, i didn't hear it democrats to get the because it was behind closed doors but the reports are this is very serious moment, this has impeoplement aimpeachment been a bit of a seat change articles before the floor? today because you have a high >> backed up by notes from the time this was happening and really draws such a direct line level ambassador who is reporting -- these are what the as several lawmakers have said reports say -- that in fact this was a planned, planned exchange. where he's describing conversations with the ambassador to the eu sondland who says president trump told me
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he wants an investigation in a >> quid pro quo. >> i hate that word. conversation about military aid and releasing it. >> a direct line he said between biden and military aid. there's no ambiguity here the >> an attack on security and our way there has been up until this country. because instead of talking to ukraine but the president is point. actually trying to get dirt on >> what i want to do is right an opponent. now defend people like bill that's what he was doing. taylor against this president. and i just cept a let door the because it's public servants head of the fec. i got a letter back saying is like this guy, comes out of west that something of value and today she answered and she said point, serving in the military, that it was. she also said that when that in the infantry, the 101st whistle-blower complaint went over to justice and they decided not to bring a criminal action, airborne, everything about his life is serving the country. that there's a memorandum of and to have this president who's given so little to the country, who's avoided service himself to understanding that says it then goes over to the fec. trash these people and call them guess what? deep staters is just playing a it did want. so that just shows once again game of awful american nature. the cover-up. it's awful what this guy is to me it's straightforward. doing about these -- these are what this was was a president of good people who are blowing the the united states looking for whistle on bad behavior, dirt, opposition research on an unconstitutional behavior. thank you so much, congressman opponent from a foreign leader. ted lou of california, former then they try to cover it up pie putting it on this super secret senator clara mccaskill, and server so that no one can see
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it. so that's what this was, and josh letterman. that's what's being investigated. and again, what i think we can >> also president trump calls do is two things at once. the impeachment inquiry a lynching. of course, if it comes over to is he ignoring the racial connection to that word or is he exploiting it? think about that during the the senate which i think it break. what's he up to when he calls will, i will devoted myself to that because that's my job. but right now i am a candidate for the country because i'm himself a victim of a lynching? guys that look like him don't get lynched. he's also escalating his attacks someone that can bring the country together. on everyone involved in that >> and you have another thing going for you, senator. inquiry. here it goes. you're a neighbor of iowa. >> and where is the person that gave the whistle-blower the information, because is that person a spy or does that person >> i can see iowa from my porch. even exist? i have a feeling that person >> thank you. doesn't exist. amy klobuchar, united states >> oh, yeah, the president's increasingly erratic behavior you just heard there said to be senator. a neighbor of iowa. you're watching "hardball." r. a neighbor of iowa you're watching "hardball. setting off alarm bells within lisa jones! the republican party. is there a winner in the current hey carl, what are you charging me for online equity trades? field of candidates? laughs/umm.. is there a winner among them, is and do i get my fees back if i'm not happy? the next president there? two pig voices joining us like a satisfaction guarantee? tonight. oscar winning filmmaker and ugh. schwab!
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in a tweet this morning the >> there was a quid pro quo, and president wrote in part, all tonight we have new details republicans must remember what about exactly how much the they're witnessing here, a lynching. president was squeezing ukraine to be clear according to the naacp from 1882 to 1968 not too in return for an investigation into his political rival. many thousand years ago, 1968, >> it's not even noon, right, and this is my most disturbing day in congress so far. >> what we learned today and more than 4,700 lynchings what it means for the case occurred in the witness. against donald trump. of those people lynched about >> if you could 3,700 were black, about three quarters. the president's comparison drew immediate outrage from lawmakers. blasted the president for comparing the president's impeachment to a hate crime. >> to invoke the horrific legacy of lynching and, you know, during the years when lynchings took place they were advertised like sporting events. people were told to come out on a sundays, bring your family,
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watch an african-american be burned, watch an african-american be hung. he doesn't understand our constitutional duties or are an appreciation for u.s. history. >> the constitutional process to -- it's far beneath the office of the president of the united states. >> lindsey graham echoed trump's use of the term calling impeachment a political lynching. zp yea >> yeah, this is a lynching in every sense. a mob grabs you, they don't give you a chance to defend yourself, they don't tell you what happened to you, they just destroy you. that's exactly what's going on in the united states house of representatives right now. >> it's amazing. i should hate him, i should hate this guy. i just don't. somehow lindsey graham doesn't
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seem that offensive but what he said there is offensive. >> but he's been flip-flopping. >> when you heard that, your own impulse, when you heard him say he's a victim today of a lynching? >> well, one it is grotesque. but, chris, i'm beyond my ability to be shocked by this president's injection of race and his racial inversion in politics. i'm beyond my ability to be shocked by it. and truth of the matter is i think it's calculated. you and i might disagree on this but i think whenever he gets in trouble he goes back to his base. whenever he gets in trouble he goes back to his predicate and that is racial aversion. i'm not taking the bait. i don't want to talk about his racism today -- >> why is that taking the bait? this is the american subject -- as long as we live race in this country is going to be the san andreas fault and either you
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jump on it and explain it or try to work it. >> you're preaching to the choir. what i want to talk about today is him shaking down the president of ukraine. what i want to talk about today is bill taylor -- >> well, go ahead. >> bill taylor brought a direct line -- >> bill taylor is a public servant. >> unfortunately racism is tot a high crime or misdemeanor. >> let me get back to it one more time and then i'll drop it. just to spell it out so people need the points. when he was running against -- he's always been running against barack obama. >> yes. >> in his soul he's playing with him. he said he was an illegal immigrant, basically. he snuck in from some weird thing in hawaii or kenya and everything, and this past week when i'm out with my operation i'm watching television and watching him speak at that minnesota rally and he said the
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only reason he became a vice president is he knew how to kiss barack obama's ass. you knew exactly what he was doing his audience. it was chillingly horrible. and now this. >> and when you're telling women of color elected in congress to go back to their countries, you're race baiting. >> whatever countries they might be. >> and the problem is historically, chris, it has not been a disqualifier to the majority of white voters. i do get a sense that is beginning to change where especially white college educated women they talk about what's going on in this country and the division and how this can't continue because of the future of their children. i'm beginning to get a sense white people finally are beginning to have some skin in the racism game. >> my advice growing up near the burbs it's a class thing, too. no one wants to be known as a racist. that's low brow.
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you're taught from the time you're a kid, no bad words, when you think like that they're working on it. put there's a sense of like nobody good talks like that, but trump talks like that, so how can you vote for the guy? >> but they did. a majority of white people voted for him. and i bet a majority would still vote for him. >> well it's 40% right now and that's white people. john, thanks for coming in because you're good on this subject being from the south and populism and racism, trump he always goes back to square one and plays the card. he did it again today calling himself a victim of a lynching. >> yeah, absolutely. he went to anane sh ancient and troubling trope. he has ridden this terrible american instinct, and it is an
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american instinct. we do all we can to suppress it, to redeem ourselves from it. but as fitzgerald wrote we're always born ceaselessly back into it. until we confront it for what it is, we're going to keep being pushed back into it. this is a country that was founded to in many ways protected slavery is as an institution. and after a century we enforced apa aparthide in my part of the world and it's only been gone just over half a century. and so this is all the day before yesterday. and so what the president has done is try to undo what minimal progress we've made to actually become a more perfect union all for his own personal benefit. >> let me ask you both but i start with cornell because you start the fight here. i think the testimony, the u.s.
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ambassador to kiev on the record tonight brill i wantly laid out how he discovered the crime. >> so i don't want to talk about racism this evening. i want to talk about high crimes and misdemeanors. the president broke the law, and i think he is brilliantly and diabolically pushing race into this conversation so we're not talking about. >> so he'll sacrifice okay i'm a racist but let's change the subject? >> that's right. >> jonathan, do you think he's gnat majestic at changing the conversation or just erratic, and he is a bit of a racist? >> both. yes and yes, unquestionably. look, this is a very important day not only in this era but arguably in american history. this is like when john dean testified in 1973. this is like when the smoking gun tape came out, the
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transcript which remember and you know well it wasn't until the very end of a 26-month process that republicans finally abandoned nixon. so there's a great moral and constitutional test confronting the republican party at this hour, which is are you going to believe the testimony of a career civil servant who has no conceivable agenda that i could detect and has laid out a classic test of whether we believe in the rule of law and we honor the framers. why is it that conservatives are so in love with the federalist papers except when it comes to this? can someone explain that to me? >> you know, unelected bureaucrats like general macarthur. a lot of people are like it doesn't make them bad. thank you.
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it's great to on as well this fellah here knew what he wanted to talk about. still ahead says some democratic leaders are looking at the field of candidates and are asking is there anybody else? so who do they have in mind? well, michael bloomberg -- someone says michael bloomberg, so what are the chances of anyone entering the race at this point? the race at this point? (contemplative synth music) - [narrator] forget about vacuuming for up to a month.
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welcome back to "hardball." we're only a little more than three months away now from the first ballots being cast in the 2020 democratic primary, and the contest seems as wide open as ever. while this cycle has been the largest democratic field in modern times, some party leaders are musing now about even more candidates getting in. according to "the new york times" anxious members of the democratic establishment are asking if there was else. "the times" jonathan martin writes with doubts rising about former vice president biden's ability to finance a multi-state primary campaign, persistent questions about warren's ability in the election and warning of a
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white knight to enter the contest at the last minute. while those members of the democratic establishment are eyeing other candidates to jump in the race, the acclaimed documentary filmmaker michael moore will argue he has already found the winning candidate mooch he joins us tonight next. he's here in the building. you're watching "hardball." he's here in the building. you're watching "hardball. oughtg my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis. but i realized something was missing... me. the thought of my symptoms returning was keeping me from being there for the people and things i love most. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira can help get, and keep, uc under control when other medications haven't worked well enough. and it helps people achieve control that lasts so you could experience few or no symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened;
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people. not only can he win, bernie will win. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was documentary filmmaker the great michael moore endorsing bernie sanders. sanders campaign estimated the 26,000 people showed up to the rally in queens. joining me now is the man who showed up michael moore. i don't think you're a man of strong ideology or strong progressive views. that's why you're famous a 78,
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