it has already been marked by many of the same flash points that got him to this point. ridiculous utterances from the president. a proposal to read the transcript of the phone call at the center of the scandal to the american public, fireside chat-style. really. and a commitment from adam schiff, chairman of the house intel committee, one of the committees conducting the house investigation, to start releasing transcripts of the closed door depositions. depositions that have yielded blockbuster evidence of a quid pro quo, from diplomats, military advisers, and foreign policy experts. and next week's impeachment schedule threatens the president with even more devastating testimony from people with greater proximity to the president himself. as the house prepares to take its case against the president public, there are signs of cautious optimism among democrats, about the strength of the evidence against trump. "politico" reports, quote, as the closed door deposition phase wraps up, democrats are setting

the stage for public hearings with the witnesses who provided the most compelling evidence. such as ambassador bill taylor and colonel vindman. the democrats also intend to lean heavily on the evidence provided by trump himself. the transcript of his july 25th call with president zelensky in which he asked the newly-elected leader to pursue an investigation of biden. now, trump's answer to all this? do a madhouse style dramatic reading between the phone call of himself and president zelensky that a trump ally told me today, trump still maintains publicly and privately is perfect in every way. trump telling the washington examiner in an interview yesterday, quote, at some point, i'm going to sit down, perhaps as a fireside chat on live television and i will read the transcript of the call, because people have to hear it. when you read it, it's a straight call. important to point out that it's a summary of the call. and even the summary makes clear that military aid and a meeting were both conditional.

trump responding to the ukrainian president's request for military assistance, by saying, i would like you to do us a favor though. then pushing for those investigations targeting democrats, including joe biden. it's conduct that nearly two-thirds of americans today call a quote serious problem. and it's conduct that has been corroborated by multiple aides, since that original whistle-blower complaint. its conduct that caused alarm deep, deep inside the west wing, at the time, as well. in fact, the scandals increasingly focusing in on the conduct of the lawyers who locked down the notes from the president's call. that's where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. peter baker chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," former u.s. attorney, joyce vance, and former assistant director for counter-intelligence at the fbi frank figliuzzi, and heidi and tim o'brien are back. >> and peter, pete baker, let me

start with you. take us through sort of the state of donald trump's acceptance of his new reality. i'm told today, that he maintains privately and publicly that that call, that the white house lawyers thought was so potentially problematic for him, that they locked it down, inside a server, reserved for covert protected intelligence, is something that donald trump still maintains is perfect. >> yes, it is the thing, because he doesn't see it the way almost anybody else douse or a handful obviously in the republican party on the hill who agree with him, there is nothing wrong with the call but most republicans are not making that argument, most republicans are making one of two arguments, the process is bad and a democratic effort to undue an election and the other he might have said some things on there that were troubling but it might not rises to the level of an impeachable offense. very few people are saying it is totally okay to go out there and ask a foreign country for help

against domestic political rivalries. the president is alone in that. he said in the twitter feed this week, don't just fight on the process, fight on the substance and the substance is good and that's why he said he might read the transcript out loud in some sort of a fireside chat. but you know, i think the problem is, it is not just the call itself. no t-is not just the words there in black and white. it is the context in which they happened. and the context we've seen testified to by the people who work by this president, not by outsiders but people working for him and inside the loop, and disturbed by what they saw and what they were hearing. >> frank, i would like for you just to pick up this thread. this idea that there is a defense on the substance seems to be a belief held by one. and maybe some of the people related to him. i talked to someone close to this president and said that the reason this is hurting him in the court of public opinion, the reason the polls have swung so far in favor of impeachment, is because it was hard to believe that donald trump had the sophistication or the communication skills to hash out an elaborate conspiracy with

vladimir putin, but this, a deal with the ukrainian's dirt for guns, dirt for aid, totally believable. >> well, look, they painted themselves into a corner, because the truth is not on this president's side. the process argument actually had some merit to it. it wasn't accurate. but people could say hey, this is being done in secret. i don't like that. well, guess what? we've shifted now toward what's going to become very, very public. and it is going to become very, very ugly. so this strategy now, of getting things out, perhaps even in a fireside chat, and by the way, if i can borrow a phrase from jim comey, lordy, i hope there's a fireside chat, because it's not going to, it's not going to go well for the president. he's essentially going to sit there and read, perhaps with a yule log crackling in the background, read what is essentially a confession of his own crime. and of course, we know it is a summary that he would read.

a summary of his choosing. but the fact, i hope he reads it. there are fbi cases, i supervised, and i'm thinking of two in particular, where we first got angry because the defendant was going on radio and television, and then we realized he's confessing, on radio and television. let him talk all that he wants. so let's hope that there's a fireside chat. and why? because the truth strategy, get it out there, say i did it, so what, is not going to serve him well. >> joyce, it's an interesting point, and i'm glad frank didn't let me go off over it, but i constantly come back to the differences, the ways that this five-week impeachment investigation are different from the 23 month long mueller investigation. one of them is that donald trump isn't protected by all of the structural things inside the criminal justice procedure and process. this is a political process. and politically it would seem that the thing that he could do, that could most dramatically swing public opinion, against

him, is confess in a nationally televised address. i hope he does it, too. >> well, he talks about doing a lot of things that never actually come to pass. but i'm with you and frank. i'd like to see the fireside chat. because if this, that he thinks it is exculpatory, if that is his idea of a good call, i would like to see the real transcript and what else is on the server, whether it is another memo or actual transcript. this never gets better for trump than the version of this that he's released himself. and as you say, he's benefitted so much in the mueller investigation, from the fact that there were career professional prosecutors who i know sometimes it is in vogue to criticize prosecutors but for better or worse, their goal was to do justice, not to try to railroad people. so at every stage of the mueller investigation, they participated

in protections that were meant to keep targets, and subjects safe, and to not unduly prejudice people against them. he doesn't have that in this political process. it's a new ball game. >> okay, you've all talked about evidence. speaking of evidence, less than one month since the house began taking depositions in the impeachment inquiry, into donald trump, the testimony from a combination of career officials, and loyal trump defenders alike, has produced a mountain of evidence. universally damaging to the president. in interviews with 13 witnesses so far, more than 100 total hours of testimony, not one witness has provided testimony that exonerates president trump, or refutes a single one of the allegations against him from the whistle-blower complaint or the testimony of his own top officials. on top of that, at least four current and former officials have confirmed and testified to a quid pro quo, with ukraine. linking military aid and a meeting with trump to

investigations against trump's rivals in other matters. at least two officials say they were so alarmed by the conduct they witnessed that they took those concerns straight to the national security council's top lawyer john eisenberg and at least search witnesses have described a shadow foreign policy by trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani. he is the one who helped pedal conspiracy theories linked to ukraine and pressured ukrainians to do donald trump's bidding. and national security adviser john bolton, hardly a deep state operative, called giuliani a hand grenade who is going to blow everybody up and added on the pressure campaign against ukraine, quote, i'm not part of whatever drug deal gordon sondland and mick mulvaney are cooking up. tim o'brien, it would seem that, as frank said, the process argument they were arguing before the process concerns were addressed by nancy pelosi, was the only hand they had to play.

on substance, so far, not a scrap of evidence that turns this in any direction favorable to the president. >> that's true. and i think, you know, the president is in this place where he is denying the reality of what he is facing, which he has done historically any time he has faced adversity. it is like that line that steve martin has at the beginning of, where he is looking at the judge and i didn't know armed robbery was a crime, you know. >> that's exactly right. >> and that's what trump is trying to do. on the other hand, he also knows that he has a party that is going to try this in the senate but is unlikely to remove him from office. and i think the issue here is the fact pattern that has emerged and the evidence that has emerged, enough to remove him from office. and i don't know that we're there yet. i think it is damning. i think he abused the powers of his office. there is evidence of extortion and bribery around this. there's other shoes to drop. the southern district is clearly, has a major investigation of rudy giuliani. and his associates.

and there's also money in play. we still haven't heard everything about the effort to get control of the ukrainian natural gas company. so there is other things that could come out that haven't come out yet. but at the end of the day, i think he is sitting there, and his mind is turning where does it go to the end and it goes to the end he has a group of people ready to exonerate him and i think that's why he is taking the risk of sitting down and reading the transcript in a live event, a document that on its face is self incriminating. >> i heard today, that the person running the political communications and legal strategy for the president is the same white house staffer who brought us the government shutdown, jared kushner. he doesn't have great relationships on capitol hill, does he? >> no, no, he doesn't. and i think i actually know what the strategy is, though, i if he does this fireside chat, they will run a disclaimer at the beginning which says what you are about to hear is not a quid pro quo. because everybody who has come in to these depositions has

outlined the definition, textbook definition, of a quid pro quo. and two of them now, that was the one staff that wasn't on there, two of them who are actually directly on the phone call. but i've been up on the hill all week, and it seems that the arguments on substance, that were made in the very beginning, which were this was not a quid pro quo, or at least the ukrainians didn't know it was a quid pro quo, have been completely blown up by all of this testimony. and you had morrison himself, as well, saying yes, it was conveyed to zelensky's top aide, that this was in fact, a quid pro quo. whether you want to call it a quid pro quo, you want to call it a drug deal like john bolton calls it, these are all things that according to the democrats who are working on the legal framework of this, they say they don't just fit one potential article. they are the definition of what our founders were concerned about, in terms of what is an impeachable offense. this is the first time in our history that we have had a president, even talking about

impeachment of a president, related to foreign influence. which was, which speaks to one of the deepest concerns about what could be, corrupting our democracy. >> you know, peter baker, i have 37 questions for you, but i'll focus it on just a couple. i mean what is so interesting now, is you look at the role don mcgahn played in the mueller investigation, and you wonder if mr. eisenberg is faced with a shal choice. don mcgahn cooperated, close to 30 hours and not that he wanted to but legally he didn't think he should but the decision was made by the president a es legal term. mr. eisenberg has been implicated by vindman, who said that he went to him, because he was so uncomfortable about the process of trying to fill in some information from the call, including the utter rance of the word burisma the gas company where hunter biden work, and we know that fiona hill was sent by john bolton to mr. eisenberg. there is some reporting out

today in the associated press, and "politico," that just increasingly puts these circles of these pressures around mr. eisenberg. what's your understanding about who the white house is setting up to take the blame for some of the actions that look from the outside like a coverup? >> it's a great question. in fact, i think other than john bolton, and maybe mick mulvaney, the one person i think you want to hear the most from is john eisenberg. not only as you just put it was he contacted by at least two we know so far white house officials with concerns about what was going on, the propriety of what was going on but he was also the one who approved putting it in the super lass fied server, super classified server, the rough transcript to begin with and what was his thinking when he did that, his rationale and what was his reaction when colonel vindman and fee on owe that hill came t him. who did he talk about it? and so many questions need to be

asked. he is in the hot spot and he could be the person who comes out and be thrown under the bus as the person responsible and could be a john dean and i raised questions and here is what happened as a result. we don't know. and i think that makes him one of most intriguing characters yet to be heard from, in this whole process. >> and he's been invited i believe, joyce, to testify next week, no sign as to whether or not he will appear. i think it is safe to assume that there will be some resistance, at least at the outset. joyce, let me read you some of the new reporting from "politico" about mr. eisenberg. the senior white house lawyer who placed a record of president donald trump's july 25th call with ukraine's president in a top secret system also instructed at least one official who heard the call not to tell anyone about it. that's according to testimony heard by house impeachment investigators this week. joyce, what's that say to you? what does that sound like to you? >> so he's a witness that i

would want to talk to, in an effort to sort this out, and figure out what actually happened. placing this phone call on the code word server, which was not the ordinary way that these memos were stored, looks very bad, and it is there for one of two reasons. either he wanted to hide it from people, or perhaps there's an outside chance that he wanted to preserve it, to make sure others didn't destroy it. but he is a lawyer, he will know when he comes in, that he has one opportunity to tell the truth and only one opportunity, and although you know, we hear this story, that this conduct doesn't add up to a quid pro quo, from at least one witness, now, i know that when frank figliuzzi was out in the field investigating bribery cases, he never heard witnesses tell him about a series of facts that looked like a quid pro quo and then accepted their characterization that no crime had been committed. i'm pretty sure that's not how frank operated. that's not how these investigators will operate, either. they're just interested in the

facts. not the legal characterizations even from a lawyer. it is his opportunity to come clean. >> frank, your name has been invoked. i want to add one more piece of information to this puzzle that some pieces are being placed on the board around mr. eisenberg. he is also the lawyer who is the general counsel at the cia, picked up the phone and called, when she learned that she had a whistle-blower in her work force, she also ultimately called this man, mr. eisenberg, and they looked at these notes, i don't know, he went in there, cracked the deep secret server, and they looked at it and it has been reported by peter's new port richey, column and newspaper. and it is part of the original whistle-blower concern, as well as the nsc staffers who tried to fill in the transcript, and fiona hill who sat in a meeting in the ward room, which is in the basement of the west wing, next to the cafeteria, if you will, the dining room and heard

gordon sondland condition, or raise these investigations with the ukrainians. this would seem to be the person that the white house is setting up to maybe take a fall. no? >> it's possible but it is a dangerous game. because you're gambling that this person is going to go down for the count for you. and there are very few people that seem willing to do that these days. look, joyce is right, it's all about context when you're working corruption. it's all about circumstances. and when you rattle off what you just did, it's the context that counts. it's the consciousness of guilt. if two guys rob a bank and they hide the money, and then they later release the money, i hear people saying, well, how bad can this call be, if they released a summary of it, you release the bank robbery money, it doesn't mean you're innocent, of bank robbery, it means you got caught. that's why they released the summary of this thing. so the chronology of events becomes very important. when did the cia general counsel call over?

when did a decorated military veteran say i have a problem with this? let's get all of that down. who went into the database at what time to take another look at it. when did it first go in? these become really important clues about a consciousness of guilt. they knew something was wrong with that call. >> they sure did. and when donald trump reads it, fireside chat style, i would like that camera on mr. eisenberg's face. peter baker, joyce vance, frank, thanks for starting us off. when we come back, sean hannity is walter cronkite? a famous beloved historian claimed on this network earlier today that it just might be the thing that breaks the fever of tribalism in our country. but will it ever happen? also ahead, donald trump says goodbye to the big apple and heads to the sunshine state. and new yorkers seem just fine with it. we'll go inside donald trump's complicated relationship with new york, and ask if anyone is going to miss him. and the 2020 democrats set their sights on iowa. we'll go inside the tight race,

in that state, that chooses first, all of those stories coming up.

i do wonder, if we're in an age now, where the only thing that could threaten donald trump would be a cronkite moment on vietnam, asking what the hell is going none vietnam, after tet. except this time it is a fox news moment, it is a rupert murdoch moment that breaks the tribalism at some point. >> that's a good point. are we in an age where sean

hannity is walter cronkite and pause there and see if we can get some drinks. >> donald trump's support is a house of cards with three pill hears the aforementioned right wing media fox news in the center there and along with republican voters and republican lawmakers and as democrats navigate the early stages of impeachment, it's worth remembering it doesn't matter to donald trump's base how many facts they get corroborated, how many witnesses they question, or the narratives, the fact-based narratives that they lay out, for democrats to remove donald trump from office, they will need republican support. and that's why this new poll is drawing such attention this afternoon. because it speaks to one of those three base, one of those three pillars donald trump's approval among republicans still high but down to 74%. that's a drop of eight points since september. and while zero house republicans voted in favor of the impeachment inquiry yesterday, donald trump's lawmaker support only goes as far as voters and

conservative media figures like sean hannity allow it to. on that note, today, more cracks in the donald trump's media jo chris wallace, contributing to a rising ing tv personalitie a phone call. it was a coordinated campaign. and what you've heard from bill taylor, and fiona hill and a number, and colonel vindman, and a bunch of others, is that this was a coordinated campaign, by people outside the regular diplomatic channels of state department, to put pressure on ukraine to do certain things, to investigate the democrats, from what they did in 2016, to investigate biden, that preceded the phone call on july 25th, and followed the phone call, after july 25th. >> i mean our conversation, the reverend al harp sharpton the host of politics nation and the president of the national network and "new york times"

editor, and we've sad around this table, with so many conversations about the way propaganda is furthered on fox news. it is so different, and it's so much more news worthy when anchors like chris wallace, and chuck smith before him told the truth on their air. >> i think what this really speaks to is americans increasingly are, you know, it depends not just the information you receive, what it is, but also who you're getting that information from. it is about who you trust, as a news source, whether it is a pastor or a news program, and i think it also shows you the power that individual people. have i mean chris wallace being a prime example among them, to really move the dial. i think the power of individual responsibility is really supreme here, so whether you are a news personality, or a member of the so-called deep state, in other words a public servant, or whether you are a pastor or a teacher, there is really a moment here to step up, and to

give people, you know, a little bit of room to actually ingest the information they're seeing. i think having some healthy skepticism is okay, but propaganda allows you to not think and i think what we need to do is really try to introduce some healthy skepticism into that propaganda. >> well, sean hannity isn't someone who is ever publicly expressed any skepticism at all about donald trump, so you know, i think that john meachum and joe are being provocative, but it is, it is the appropriate parallel, to break the fever among trump's base, you would need a figure like sean hannity from inside that conservative media world, to say what chris wallace just said. >> i think you're right. i also don't think that you have those of us that do opinion shows that the reason why some can break through, you have to deal with facts. we can all have different

opinions. but you have to have facts. and i think part of what is eroding trump's base, though it is still high among republicans, is the facts don't come out the way he says it. i mean what you're looking at it he says the wall is red and then it is blue, while he's standing in front of the wall and people are saying well wait a minute, now, i may be partisan, but i'm not stupid and i think that's the problem he is running into. he's told three or four different versions of the same kinds of events. and that would water down anybody's support. >> i think it is going to take more than chris wallace to be frank, because you look at what adam schiff last night, and he really made it clear that the big difference between today and watergate and why the republicans came for nixon and said, it's time to go, is because during watergate, we did not have fox news, we did not have an alternative facts universe. they were all operating from the

same set of facts and principles and standards and i think it will take more than that, because when i talk to republicans what is it going to take or democrats talking to republicans, they say look at this, look at these poll numbers. >> and republicans aren't going to lead, the poll numbers are going to lead the republicans. which is sad in and of itself but that is for another day. let me put up the poll numbers. this is the new washington post abc news poll. 49% are for donald trump's removal from office stunning number. 82% of democrats. 18% of republicans. and this is stunning to me, too. 47% of independents are for donald trump's removal from office. those are staggering numbers. considering, tim, that the public phase of this hasn't begun yet. >> remember, if you look back at the poll numbers around nixon, popular sentiment didn't turn against him until the end.

>> july of 1974. a month before he resigned. so you have substantial numbers there that are based on a limited amount of disclosure. so i think if there is a lot more to be had here, around the facts coming out, trump's inability to argue against the facts, especially if they become more and more damming, and then what does he do if he is left with that? because his strength has always been appealing to people's emotions on social. and sometimes the worst emotions. not being able to argue against facts that are sitting right there in front of him. and that's going to put him and his team in a real corner. that, plus the fact that people around him, are starting to abandon him. i don't think there is going to be much loyalty in that white house. no one is going to take a bullet for donald trump. >> and that's an interesting point, and i love both of your reporting on this. as i said earlier in the show, jared kushner is running impeachment strategy, mick mulvaney, the acting white house chief of staff, has never given the full title of that job, and he was left on a trip last week,

last weekend, for a military raid, which they didn't plan in short enough order to not call him back from wherever he was. i mean there really is something so self perpetuating, and so trump is doing so much harm to himself, by not having anybody around him who could be strategic. >> and that is the analysis, is that everyone around him, who had been a buffer against bad decisions, whether it be legal charges or whether it be the pullout in syria, is now gone. and so that's the parlor game now, is who are the attorneys going to be who make smart decisions in this, because everyone underneath him is also running for cover, and having to lawyer up. and it was a great story out this week in "politico" as well, about just the carnage that that is causing personally for a lot of those people who are having to pay. this is all coming out-of-pocket. bill taylor flying from ukraine. all of these people are having to, you know, lawyer up, pay for it themselves, and including the

people who are coming here to testify. >> and pause on the fact that it is jared run can the show. jared is 38 years old. he wasn't born when richard nixon was impeached. nixon resigned before he was im peopled. and 17 when bill clinton was impeached. no legal experience. the two tasks he was assigned with when trump got elected is peace to the middle east and streamlining the federal government. fails on both. the most significant piece of bad advice he gave trump was to fire jim comey, which brought an obstruction of justice investigation upon him. >> let me ask you about him. can he see what is in the top secret server? >> that's a good question. i have no idea. but this is a white house that has ignored most of the national security victims around ivanka and jared and other people in the white house but to the extent he becomes a fact witness, they're in trouble. >> they're in trouble. up next, gum on the bottom of our shoe, donald trump and

new york city. it looks like we might finally be rid of him. ♪ there are things we would change about work. and there are things we wouldn't. ♪ when work is worth it. work is worth it. work can be closer to home... pay more... make us proud. careerbuilder. work can work. find your work at careerbuilder.com through the at&t network, edge-to-edge intelligence gives you the power to see every corner of your growing business. from using feedback to innovate... to introducing products faster... to managing website inventory... and network bandwidth. giving you a nice big edge over your competition.

that's the power of edge-to-edge intelligence. ...depend® silhouette™ briefs feature maximum absorbency, with trusted protection for all out confidence... beautiful colors and an improved fit for a sleek design and personal style. life's better when you're in it. be there with depend®.

donald trump's hometown of new york city has been trying to break up with him for years now ever since he was elected president, multiple buildings have physically taken his name down from them. trump tower has lost its lustre for buyers and even the ice rink in central park is scrubbing his name from them. and it looks like he may have finally received our message. and in late september he and melania filed to move their primary residence from trump tower in new york to his mar-a-lago resort in palm beach, florida. maggie haberman of "the new york times" who has covered him for the first time the first to report the resident change and encapsulated trump's relationship with the big apple. he came of age in queens, built trump tower, starred in the apprentice, bankrupted his businesses six times, and drew cheering crowds and angry

protesters to fifth avenue after his election. through it all, president trump, rich, bombastic and to many americans the epitome of a new yorker was intertwined with the city he called his life-long home. no longer. the table is back. you've known him as a new yorker what do you think? >> he was in new york but he was never of new york. you would not see him around, even where people in real estate would go, the watering holes. he was not sociable. he is the kind of person that was all about trump. and it's not easy to fit in social circles when the beginning, end, and middle of your conversation is you. and that's all he would do. so you knew he was here, he was always in the at that point tabloids but he was not one that was of new york. and most new yorkers when it hit the press this morning, were happy. i had four moving companies call me and say can i donate my

service? they would love to help him move out. >> let me ask you about some of the things that i think most haunted his presidency even from his perspective. he has been under criminal investigation for longer than he's not. as president. i mean was he thought of to be dodgy? >> oh, always. i mean you can't have roy cohen as your lawyer, and who represented outright mobsters, and not be considered dodgy. and he used to almost relish in that. you have to remember, this is a guy that loved the tabloids, loved howard stern, loved roy cohen, no one would have ever thought that we think about doing something called president which is the first thing he ever ran for you have to remember but to show he wasn't a new yorker, don't forget he was the one who went and took sarah palin for pizza and used a fork and a knife which shows you you're not a real new yorker. >> that's right. and mara, i just keep thinking, too all the way that new york has tried to send the message

that we're not into that him, i mean taking his time off building, the in dignity of that, for someone with any pride of sort of their role as a real estate developer. >> well, yes, i mean first of all, if you recall, in 2016, when the president went to vote at his upper east side, approximatelyinpolling station, he was booed and people were leaning out of their office buildings to boo him. and you know, the president is at one, both super new york, and also not new york at all. and it's this really kind of weird anxiety-inducing dichotomy for every day new yorkers. but really, when you talk to real estate folks who actually do have a huge stake in the city, they laugh at donald trump. and i think that has actually been a part of his identity crisis, as a president, but then the flip side of that, is you have, new york is a city of refugees, of immigrants, of minorities, of jews, people who

have been persecuted here and abroad, and the amount of disgust, disdain, of fear, and loathing of this president, i could say, is unprecedented, and the idea that we burst him is enough to send us collectively on the couch for quite some time. >> trump is a cartoon character and new york has lots of characters and he did sort of come of age in the '80s when he represented this moment of manhattan coming back, and the real estate boom, et cetera, et cetera. but he not only didn't participate with people of color in new york, or the cultural life of new york, he didn't really circulate in the political life beyond just trying to angle to get zoning variances for his properties. he never americaned participated in a constructive way with the political process, he never liked to go out and socialize and black tie events and up and down the ladder of society, he was only visible when it involved self promotion

and i think that is one of the things now, he is voluntary taking him name off of what was the rink, and he chose to do that and this is a guy who put him name up in human sized letters in every city where he built a building and taking it off now a pip squeak skating rink and tenants and condo owners are taking his name down, and he put the hotel in washington on the block, for sale. and it is not just trump abandoning new york and new yorkers are happy to be rid of him, i think there might be some financial stress. >> which is another thread has run through his whole life. >> yes. >> and state prosecutors and local prosecutors have really put the squeeze on his foundation, on his, anything that they can do, to squeeze him, you know, trying to find his tax records, and subpoena them, and local prosecutors. >> and the businesses are just turned down in some of these properties. >> the property owners are also

biased, who wants to come and say i am buying trump towers and i'm sleeping in the room donald trump used to sleep in. >> that's right. >> easier to take his name out of it. >> and the other thing, no matter how small it may be, where's the trump library going to be? it is certainly shouldn't be in new york. so he has a better shot in somewhere way out on a golf course in florida than to have a trump library. can you imagine them building a trump library in new york? >> well, it's not going to be lost, with the investigation of trump you will need miles but the content of his presidency, we won't need much room. maybe my apartment. >> are you volunteering it? >> no. >> all right. up next, for democrats with so much riding on iowa, a new shock poll to up end that race. we'll be right back with that story. race we'll be right back with that story. great! here you go... well, it does need to be a vehicle. but - i need this out of my house.

(vo) with fair, transparent value for every trade-in... enterprise makes it easy.

my moderate to severe i ulcerative colitis.ing but i realized something was missing... me. the thought of my symptoms returning was keeping me from being there for the people and things i love most. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira can help get, and keep, uc under control when other medications haven't worked well enough. and it helps people achieve control that lasts so you could experience few or no symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. be there for you, and them. ask your gastroenterologist about humira.

with humira, control is possible. t-mobile's newest most powerful signal is here. experience it with the amazing, new iphone 11. and right now, t-mobile has the best deal on iphone. get 4 lines of unlimited with 4 iphone 11 included for only $35 a line. all on a signal that goes farther than ever before. that's right. get 4 unlimited lines and 4 iphone 11 for $35 a line. only at t-mobile. doprevagen is the number oneild mempharmacist-recommendeding? memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. i believe the american people are tired of fear and

tired of distractions and tired of diversions. we can make this election not about fear, but about the future, and that won't just be a democratic victory, that will be an american victory, and that is a victory that america needs right now. >> wow. that was then, i forgot what that looks like, then presidential candidate, that was then senator barack obama, speaking at the jefferson jackson dinner iowa, 12 years ago. that night was billed as a major turning point for his campaign that ultimately paved the way for him to win the iowa caucuses and ultimately obviously the primary and the presidency. now, the 2020 candidates are hoping for their moment to break out in iowa. tonight, 14 of them will be speaking at this year's dinner. it is now renamed the liberty and justice dinner. where organizers are expecting 13,000 people, with less than 100 days until the first votes are cast, in the 2020 election, tonight could be make or break for some. everyone is still here.

i'm amazed by how, you know, and i think one of the things that is unique about trump, crowding out everything else, is that these races really are being waged where they're supposed to be waged, which is in the early stage, iowa is paying close attention because they take it at hair job and so are the citizens of new hampshire. the iowa polls, let me put this up, i think five points separate the top four candidates, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, mayor pete buttigieg, and joe biden, it would seem to be anyone's race. >> isn't that amazing. sanders and buttigieg are ahead of biden. and at the outside of all of this, you really had this kind of very veneer of elect alice ability, that biden represented for most democratic voters and it almost seemed like people were too scared to consider any other options and now that is being traded for the kind of symbols of generational change, in terms of buttigieg, and populism, in terms of elizabeth

warren, and that's a real problem for biden. because if you consider new hampshire, is already, there are so many democrats who are already kind of discounting that because elizabeth warren is considered so strong there, that joe biden is hanging everything on south carolina, that rolling into that, if he loses iowa, what's going to happen to him by the time he gets to south carolina? especially if that critical african-american base starts to think like they did with obama, when they switched from hillary to obama, that hey, maybe we can go for a change candidate. >> obama winning iowa was what set up his tremendous victory in south carolina. and it is exacerbated this time because of the anti-trump field. you have to remember when president obama, when then senator obama won iowa, then he became believable. but he wasn't running against an incumbent that was so despised

by most of the electorate, especially the democrats of the world in their primary. so whoever wins iowa, becomes electable. especially if they win iowa and new hampshire. and even if you are with somebody else, you want to go with whoever can take trump out is going to be a lot of the sentiment in south carolina. >> i think the problem for joe biden, overall has actually been his debate performances. which have been exceptionally weak. combined with the fact that just my sense is, that the support in the african-american community, even in south carolina, for joe biden is a mile wide and an inch deep. i think that they associate him with the first black president with barack obama, and that's great, but black americans are inherently and understandably in some ways distrustful of the political system. they have been excluded from it for generations. so there is a lot of opportunity to actually make inroads by just repetition of getting to know that community. so the more time that pete buttigieg and elizabeth warren spend in black communities, once

they actually get on the ground, in a state like south carolina, they can do real damage to joe biden, and elizabeth warren especially has shown an ability to make inroads with black voters, the more they know her, the polls show, in focus groups, the more they like her. >> look it, this may be sort of all the time i spent working for politicians at the bottom of the pack for people in the polls. fs essentially, liz berth warren is up on top.top. but biden's at 17. buttigieg at 18. and sanders at 19. and in early state poll, that could be two dozen people. >> yeah, but when you look at where biden was when all of this kicked off, he had such a commanding lead and i remember we talked about this after the first debate. and he had a bad performance in the first debate and his line the next day was i'm electable. joe biden said it. he said it. i remember we talked about that and at the time, i said saying you're electable isn't enough to

get through this whole thing. and what pete buttigieg and elizabeth warren are very prepared candidates. they do their homework. they're well spoken. biden speaks in word salad and he has not been ready to handle policy questions. voters are figuring that out and that's a healthy thing. if he's being separated from them because they've emphasized know-how and quality, that's a good thing. >> all right. after the break, more president obama. calling out the woke culture in america. obama. calling out the woke culture in america. there's my career... my cause... and creating my dream home. i'm a work in progress. so much goes into who i am. hiv medicine is one part of it. prescription dovato is for adults who are starting hiv-1 treatment and who aren't resistant to either of the medicines dolutegravir or lamivudine. dovato has 2 medicines in 1 pill to help you reach and then stay undetectable. so your hiv can be controlled with fewer medicines while taking dovato. you can take dovato anytime of day with food or without. don't take dovato if you're allergic to any of its ingredients or if you take dofetilide. if you have hepatitis b,

it can change during treatment with dovato and become harder to treat. your hepatitis b may get worse or become life-threatening if you stop taking dovato. so do not stop dovato without talking to your doctor. serious side effects can occur, including allergic reactions, liver problems, and liver failure. life-threatening side effects include lactic acid buildup and severe liver problems. if you have a rash and other symptoms of an allergic reaction, stop taking dovato and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis b or c. don't use dovato if you plan to become pregnant or during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy since one of its ingredients may harm your unborn baby. your doctor should do a pregnancy test before starting dovato. use effective birth control while taking dovato. the most common side effects are headache, so much goes into who i am and hope to be. ask your doctor if starting hiv treatment with dovato is right for you. why fingerstick when you can scan? with the freestyle libre 14 day system just scan the sensor with your reader,

iphone or android and manage your diabetes. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you can check your glucose levels any time, without fingersticks. ask your doctor to write a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestylelibre.us you can do it without fingersticks. itso chantix can help you quitd slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions,

seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking, or life-threatening allergic and skin reactions. decrease alcohol use. use caution driving or operating machinery. tell your doctor if you've had mental health problems. the most common side effect is nausea. quit smoking slow turkey. talk to your doctor about chantix.

there is this sense sometimes of the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people. and that's enough. like, if i tweet or hashtag about how you didn't do something right or used the word wrong verb or -- then i can sit back and feel pretty good about myself. because, man, see how woke i was? i called you out. that's not activism. that's not bringing about change. >> that's president obama earlier this week on a false perception of purity in the year 2019. perhaps admonishing some of the candidates and some people in our media and our culture. i thought this was -- i missed this speech. someone drew my attention to it. i went back. i read it and then i watched it. and -- and first of all, i'm so glad he said what he said. i think we're all if we're being honest sort of live in fear of screwing up on live tv and getting a twitter mob coming for us. i know ird do.

and only he could say it. only a democrat could give that speech. >> i think it's important he said it because a lot of it is that many of us that are involved wonder where we get these activists from that we've never seen active. and i think that he's right. they become the judges of fights that never end. and i -- progressive on what? what makes you progressive? self-appointed progressive. i think people want to see people that are sincere and that can understand if you gonna win politically, you're gonna have to work with people that you may not agree on every issue about. and this whole purity test is a -- a real, in my opinion, is a real roadmap to disaster for people that want to get trump out. >> you know, i just -- it reminded me that president bl k barack obama was the community organizer in chief. someone who really understands power and understands that if you're actually going to get anything done, you have to build coalitions.

and you have to make sure that everybody has a place at the table. and it just makes me think it's a nice reminder when all this long national nightmare is over, and i believe it will be, we're all going to have to live with one another. so how do we bring people on together? >> important message at the right time. we have to sneak in our breaks. we'll be right back. we have to sneak in our breaks we'll be right back. saturdays happen. pain happens. aleve it. aleve is proven stronger and longer on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong.

there are things we would change about work. and there are things we wouldn't. ♪ when work is worth it. work is worth it. work can be closer to home... pay more... make us proud. careerbuilder. work can work. find your work at careerbuilder.com

someday we'll televise the breaks. luckily today is not that day. most of all to you f watching. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts now. welcome to friday. "meet the press daily." good evening. i am chuck todd here in washington home of the world series champions, of course. i don't know when i'm going to get tired of saying that. but after another big week of testimony in the