the auctioneers sold it all. for the highest bidder. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline," i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. good morning, everyone. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarter, 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west, here's what happens happening. big headlines in the impeachment probe. among them a key player told to keep quiet. the time line for public hearings, plus a likely article of impeachment, we're unpacking all of them. >> the word impeachment to me, it's a dirty word, not a good word, totally phony deal. yesterday's vote by the radical democrats is an attack on democracy itself. >> the president trying out a new message on impeachment.

fireside chat, what do make of the president possibly taking a page from fdr's play book? >> plus, goodbye beto. the end of his bid. plus new polls on the 2020 race. and we begin with the impeachment inquiry into president trump. new details overnight on this week's damaging testimony from alexander vindman. nbc confirming reports that vindman, a member of the national security council told congress he was instructed to keep quiet about that july 25th phone call between president trump and ukrainian president zelensky. the official who told him to do so, john eisenberg, a senior white house lawyer, who is one of several administration officials being called to testify next week. this all comes as house democrats are gearing up for the next phase of the impeachment inquiry. after hearing over 100 hours of testimony from 13 witnesses, congressional investigators say they are preparing to begin public hearings as soon as this month. >> i think a lot of the depositions eventually will be

released. but not everyone is going to have to testify publicly. and they are going to have the opportunity first to make the case in private. instead of in the glare of the television. >> speaker nancy pelosi is saying there is no deadline to finish the investigation, telling bloomberg, any case made for impeaching the president quote has to be ironclad. meanwhile, president trump in mississippi last night slammed pelosi and her caucus, trying out a new message on impeachment. >> corrupt politicians, nancy pelosi, and shifty adam schiff, shifty, and the media, are continuing with the deranged impeachment witch hunt. this is one i never thought i'd be involved in. the word impeachment. to me, it's a dirty word. yesterday, the democrats voted to potentially nullify the votes

of 63 million americans, disgracing themselves, and bringing shame upon the house of representatives. but i'll tell you, the republicans are really strong. the strongest i've ever seen them. the most unified i've ever seen them. the most unified i've ever seen them. >> the nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us now with more reaction. kelly, this is the president's first campaign rally since the impeachment vote. what more did he have to say? >> reporter: well, good morning, dara. this is timed in part because tuesday, mississippi has an election for governor, and other races, and the president wanted to go there, to help republicans on the ballot. but it is also a place for him to be surrounded by thousands of his supporters, and to test out some of this arguments on impeachment. and we certainly saw that play out. stressing the unity of republicans. attacking nancy pelosi. and intelligence chairman in the

house adam schiff. and talking about some of his defenses for the phone call that he placed with the ukrainian president, and talking about the investigation that he sought into the bidens. and playing that off, as being perfectly appropriate, and what he likes to say, is a perfect phone call. to give you a little more taste of what it was like in that arena, for those in tupelo, mississippi, here's more of the president. >> yesterday's vote by the radical democrats is an attack on dem race, democracy itself. the democrats outrageous conduct has created an angry majority that will vote, many do nothing democrats out of office in 2020. make no mistake, they are coming after the republican party and me, because i'm fighting for you, they don't like it. >> that was one of the themes we certainly heard from the president. trying to connect the

impeachment inquiry to an effort to undo the 2016 election, and by extension, to affect those voters who supported the president last time last tight time and perhaps this time as well am 2020. this has been a way for the president to ex pand this beyond his own issues, his own political future, and to try to get voters connected to it, in opposition to the impeachment inquiry. he also did some of the things we've come to expect at rallies, talking about what he views are his accomplishments and the good economy, even talking about that hero dog from the isis raid, that killed al baghdadi, saying that he will be at the white house coming up soon, and the president says that perhaps that dog is even more popular than he is. or getting more publicity than he has. but for the president, it was clear that the idea of impeachment is very stressful for him. something he doesn't want to see. even though he is trying to prepare his voters for the potential inevitability of it, given the numbers that the democrats have in the house.

dara? >> nbc's kelly o'donnell, thank you. joining me now is national politics reporter with news day, and john hofflander, reporter with business insider. good to have you with us this morning. house approving a resolution, 232-196 to formalize the rules and guidelines for the public phase of the impeachment inquiry. the vote largely staying along party lines with all republicans and only two democrats voting against it. john, is this what an actual articles of impeachment vote would look like? >> absolutely, yes. this is a highly partisan vote. you know, as trump has alluded to at that rally, republicans have really lined up behind him. democrats, have increasingly lined up behind pelosi, as he is taking the jump toward impeachment, after being reluctant on this issue for months. but really ramping the process up once more damning evidence came out in the ukraine scandal so yes, i think if there was a vet on articles of impeachment, it would fall along party lines

like you saw here. >> and house speaker nancy pelosi told bloomberg reporters friday that she expects public hearings to begin this month but insists there is no deadline to finish the investigation, saying quote, the truth will set us free. emily, is the best approach for, or should democrats be giving themselves a deadline on this? >> it isn't surprising not to have a deadline. she wants all of the evidence to come out and she wants to stick to the ironclad, as she said, and her caucus is very much behind her but there were two democrats who voted against the inquiry, leaving the trump campaign and trump's allies to say effectively there was bipartisan opposition to the rules vote. but we're looking at 1998, the vote to open the inquiry into president bill clinton, there were 31 democrats who voted in favor of opening the inquiry, and it was a different more hyper partisan, hyper polarized world now, and vote was down

party lines. >> and the battle among democrats moving forward going to whether they should have one article of impeachment or multiple articles and the process draw them as it gets closer. what do you think about that? >> yes, i think they are going to have to decide whether or not they really want to focus on the central allegation in the whistle-blower complaint, which is more or less a trump abused power, by urging ukraine to investigate biden and conspiracy theory linked to the 2016 election, and tieing this to roughly $400 million in military aid to ukraine, but also whether or not they want to bring forward an article related to obstruction, and his administration's efforts to stonewall the inquiry. and they could potentially, although it's not directly related to ukraine, could potentially bring forward an article related to obstruction in the mueller probe, given the multiple possible instances of obstruction outlined in the mueller report. >> the "washington post" was first to report this. now a source familiar with

lieutenant colonel alexander vindman's testimony tells nbc news that the days after the president's phone call with ukraine, the nsc top lawyer told vindman not to discuss his concerns with anyone. emily, could this be viewed as an instance of obstruction. >> absolutely. and as much as the president likes to tout the phone call a perfect phone call, there are indications that the staff around him viewed that it was not. indeed, a perfect phone call, effort to move the call to a more secure system, this story now, that vindman was asked to keep quiet, maybe not a perfect phone call that he might be wanting to read in a fireside chat to the american public after all. >> president trump says he wants to read the ukraine call transcript to the american people, as a fireside chat on live television. emily, do you think this would be effective? >> it certainly is a very classic example of his show manship, and how he wants to present his public face, i think

it's effective in, effective to his face, and shows that he believes he did nothing wrong and effective for the democrats because they will find, in their eye, allies, because they will find a lot wrong with that and we haven't seen a full transcript and we have seen a partial transcript. >> and i want to take a look at what the republican congressman john rat cliff thinks about the president's fireside chat idea. >> i don't think the president should have to do. that i'm happy when the president addresses the american people directly but we shouldn't be wasting any more time on this. >> john, what do you make of that response? is there a responsibility that republicans think a stunt like this could backfire? >> it could be indicative of that. as emily just alluded to, this is not a transcript, we shouldn't call it a transcript, it is a sum riff the july 25th call, and in the summary itself, it is damning, because it does provide direct evidence that trump urged ukraine's president to investigate biden. which is at the heart of the

whistle-blower complaint. and could be at the heart of articles of impeachment against trump. yes, they're probably a bit worried that this could backfire. >> turning now 2020, in iowa, 13 democratic presidential candidates took the stage for the liberty and justice celebration dinner. the biggest event in the state before next year's caucus. making their pitch to voters, in the crucial primary state. i guess we had sound there. but one person who wasn't at that dinner, wait, here's the sound. >> i'm here to -- >> the next president is going to be commander in chief of a world in disarray. there is going to be no time for on the job training. >> how is a man you've never heard of eight months ago speaking after joe biden and before elizabeth warren? >> anyone who comes on this stage and tells you they can

make change without a fight is not going to win that fight. >> iowa, i stand here before you today for the people, fully prepared to defeat donald trump. >> and when, and when people tell me that a woman can't beat donald trump, i tell them, nancy pelosi does it every single day. >> now, as a nation, how we ensure that we unite a country that every day a president who engages in moral vandalism is trying to tear apart the way we aspire not just to beat him, but to go to the mountain top, is the way our ancestors did. >> one person who was not a at that dinner, former congressman beto o'rourke who ended his 2020 campaign bid on friday. let's bring back journalists emily and john, and about a dozen democratic contenders spent last night looking for

their big moment at the biggest gathering of iowa democrats before next year's caucuses. emily, who do you think, who do you feel won the night? >> with the dozen democrats jost ling for the spotlight, it is really hard to say who stood out. it was a pivotal moment for barack obama down in the iowa polls, with a phenomenal performance in his speech that he really started to turn the tide and eventually won that iowa caucus. but really, if we keep the focus on iowa as much as we do, and pay attention to national polls because a little momentum in iowa, a little more momentum in new hampshire could make all of the difference and we see mayor pete buttigieg doing well in a state like iowa. >> john, who do you think stood out most of the dinner? >> as what emily said, i think if we look at the polls that came out yesterday, that showed biden way behind in iowa, it is something that kind of hung over the night, and in a sense biden stuck out. in that regard.

but not perhaps in a positive light. because the polls showed him behind even buttigieg. so joe biden is leading in national poll, the fact that he is slipping a bit in early voter states is a negative sign for his campaign moving forward. >> looking ahead, the impeachment inquiry against trump could be on a collision course with the 202 primary race and as "politico" points out, the house may not vote on impeachment until the end of the year which could take six candidates who are senators off the campaign trail because of the trial. how big of an impact does that have on the race and how much could it hurt the senators. >> the impact depends very much on whether the candidates who aren't senators like joe biden and pete buttigieg move in to fill the gap and take over on the campaign trail. the six senators, including warren and sanders, won't be on the campaign trail, and won't be stumping in those states but they will have pry profile seats in the senate hearings if it comes to that, in a senate trial

if it comes to that. the drawback for that, they won't be able to make the sound bites and the vital moments where they might have impact in. >> john, how big of an advantage could a possible january trial be for joe biden and pete buttigieg, like emily was talking about because they won't be glued to a senate desk. >> absolutely. i think it will shove them into the spotlight. but at the same time, it could shove 2020 aside, and shove impeachment into the spotlight, in the sense that americans will be glued to their tvs, wondering if trump will be removed from office, rather than paying attention to the presidential election. so it is hard to say how much of an advantage it really gets. >> so much changes so quick limit thank you, emily, and john, i will see you again later in this hour. the secret server where the president's call with ukraine was hidden, more on the man who moved it there as he faces questioning this coming week. ns so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted.

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house investigators have new hopes to hear from the president's former national security adviser this coming week, a lawyer for john bolton now says that bolton could be subpoenaed in order to appear before congress, though it is unclear whether that will be enough to compel his testimony. several witnesses so far have complied with congressional subpoenas. defying white house orders not to testify. that list includes acting ambassador to ukraine bill taylor. trump's former top russia adviser fiona hill. and senior nsc official tim

morrison who have all confirmed a reported quid pro quo. now, joining me now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos and melissa murray who clerked for supreme court justice sonja sotomayor. how big of a fish is bolton here? and fiona hill testified that bolton is not quote of whatever drug deal sondland and mulvaney is cooking up. >> he is definitely a big fish in all of this john bolton is no fly by night partisan. he is someone who has deep conservative roots. everyone knows this. and he is someone, if he comes out to say that in fact, there was some kind of drug deal that mulvaney and others were cooking up, it would have a lot of credibility and the democrats would really run with it. so this is a huge catch for the dnls if he is brought in but he is caught between the white house who would woo do anything to keep him from testifying before congress and the pros spect of a subpoena.

>> bolton's attorneys also representing his former deputy charles kupperman in court questioning whether he must comply and how necessary it is to have testimony from kupperman and bolton because the judge won't consider the lawsuit until december. >> this is the real battleground for whether or not testimony can be had of people like bolton and kupperman, even though kupperman is essentially a deputy of some of the higher-ups. now in this battle, it is going to be the two branches of government, the executive, and obviously the congressional branch, with the third branch, the judicial branch, deciding whether or not these people can be forced to testify. and really all kupperman is asked for declaratory judgment. he is saying to the court, court, just tell me one way or another, do i have to comply with the congressional subpoena, or do i have to listen to the executive branch? this is in some sense new ground, new legal ground that has not truly been resolved. but in another sense, it has been resolved in cases involving

former bush administration official harriet myers, who, after leaving the administration, resisted a subpoena to come testify before congress. >> and melissa the judge called this a matter of great urgency for the country. what is the heart of the kupperman matter and do you see a reason why the judge couldn't have decided from the bench on thursday? >> the big issue is the conflict between the executive and congress, and of course, the judicial branch is left to resolve it. i think one of the things that we need to look at is not just this case, but also the don mcgahn case which is playing out simultaneously in a courtroom in the same dc courthouse. there this week, judge jackson of the direct of columbia district said that she found it incredibly peculiar that the white house looks like it could never look at congressional oversight. and looking at the constitution, it really seems to be the big issue here. of course, even as the judge

weighs this, they can't weigh it instantaneously, and the judge on friday couldn't necessarily weigh in to decide the case, they have to think about this and it is usually involved through inter-branch negotiations but it is obviously not going to happen here but it is not clear we can wait until december for the court to weigh in on this. >> danny, i want to look at the top legal adviser for the nsc john eisenberg, and colonel vindman has been confirmed, testified that eisenberg instructed him not to discuss his concerns about the president's ukraine call. eisenberg has been called to testify monday. is there a real concern about the legality her for him? how central is he in all of this? >> a huge concern. if it is true he was giving orders to potential witnesses to either omit testimony, or give false testimony, or refuse to come forward, that could be a real problem. and particularly so for attorneys who are bound by ethical guidelines that really

are beyond what the rest of the folks need to follow. so this could be a real concern. not only for the witness himself. but also for the trump administration. if it is established that an order was given to essentially cover up this activity. >> melissa, one of our legal experts, joyce vance says eisenberg needed to clear things up when it came to his decision to move the call transcript in to a secret system. take a listen. >> placing this nem-con on the code word server which is not the ordinary way which these memos were stored looks very bad, and it is there for one of two reason, either he wanted to hide it from people or perhaps an outside chance that he wanted to preserve it to make sure others didn't destroy it. >> with the new details that he told vindman not to discuss the call, what does it look like to you? >> it could look like a lot of

things. this is an unorthodox administration that hasn't played by the rules on a lot of measures including things like executive record keeping so i think the real question was, was it moved to that server for the purpose of obscuring it from public view or oversight or simply more just kind of odd shenanigans that this administration routinely does. they don't follow regular procedures. i think it really is a question of, is this just routine stupidity or something that is actually something more extraordinary and suggests something more nefarious. >> we certainly will see in the days ahead. melissa murray, danny cevallos, thanks for joining us this saturday morning. so what do you need to know about the impeachment inquiry after an explosive week of new testimony, and what to expect next week, be sure to catch impeachment, white house in crisis, with ari melber, tomorrow night at account eastern here on msnbc. poll-palooza, new numbers where americans stand on impeachment and the latest take

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police say she didn't know the shooter and the shot was intended for someone else. she is still in critical condition. an autopsy report confirms rfk's granddaughter died of a drug overdose. toxicology tests show that she had methadone, alcohol and several prescription drugs in her system. 292-year-old was found dead in the kennedy compound in hyannis, massachusetts in august. the new fallout from the killing of the isis leader al baghdadi, possibly from president trump's characterization of how the world's most wanted man met his end. >> he died like a dog. he died like a coward. he was whimpering, screaming and crying. >> in his "washington post" article, isis has made a new leader, and issued a new direct threat against the united states. one isis member saying we did hear how he described the caliph as weak and crying and we are

going to show how one day americans will cry and beg for their life. >> we have christopher dicky, msnbc contributor and what is the difference between the isis threat over a week ago and the isis threat today? >> i think that there may be more motivation on the part of some of the isis partisans and jihadists and would-be jihadists but i don't think that they have any more capabilities today than they had a week ago, maybe they don't have as many as they had a week ago. so i think these are the kind of threats that they make every so often. they would like to take revenge for al baghdadi's death, but they have a lot of internal affairs to deal with, and they also have a big competition looming with al qaeda. so i think that there is a lot going on. and i don't think americans are in much more danger than they were a week ago. >> christopher, president trump initially said that he plans to keep u.s. troops in syria to protect oil facilities from isis. your latest column, you raise

questions about the president's motive regarding the oil. here's what former ambassador to u.n. nancy sadderberg said. let's take a look. >> the last thing we want to do is talk about taking oil from other nations, that's a talking point of isis that we're there to take their natural resources, defend our interest in the region, not to take their oil but secure our interest in the region but depends on working with the kurds and make sure we don't hand the region over to russia and iran. >> is the u.s. still in charge of that region? >> i don't know if it is in charge of the region. it is kind of in charge of eastern syria. as long as the kurds will continue to work with the united states. because they remain the troops on the grown. even though the oil fields that we're talking about are very far from normal kurdish territory. i think what we need to understand about trump is that he wants to get some kind of

monetary deal out of this whole thing. you know, way back, years and years ago, during the iraq invasion in 2003, he was saying if we're going to go in, let's keep the oil. so this is one of these mantras that he recites all the time, and recited again in his bizarre press conference following the announcement that abu bakr al baghdadi had been killed. >> is there are all kinds of reasons for keeping troops in syria, even though he said they would be pulled out and now they're being reinforced in syria. but the only obvious clear reason that he gave is that he wants to hold on to the oil fields. can he hold on to them forever? no. eventually he will sell them to the russians and the syrians, they would be the only ones buyers for the fields but in the meantime he wants to protect them from the russians and the syrians, who attacked them a year ago, or year and a half ago, and so it is all part of a, sort of a trumpian extortion racket in which we don't pull

troops back, we don't bring them home, we betray the kurds, and we get involved in this weird quasi--colonial shakedown operation about syrian oil. >> christopher, turning to the impeachment inquiry there, new details in the british press today that characterize what attorney general william barr asked the u.k. government to dig up saying they're asking in quite robust terms for help in doing a hashtag job on their own intelligence services. what more can you tell us about that? >> you have to remember that the five i's, that new zealand, australia, canada, the united states, and great britain, are the closest of intelligence allies. and all of a sudden, you have an american president who says we don't really want your intelligence, we want you to turn on your own operatives and former operatives so that we can prove that russia was not really behind efforts to get donald

trump elected in 2016. he is still trying to roll back the clock on that. even though all the intelligence services, all the investigations that have been done, establish very clearly that it was a branch of the russian, i was about to say soviet, the russian intelligence services that was behind most of the activities to get trump elected, at least the part of it that was done by the russians. he wants to roll that back. so he wants the intelligence services to say what they were finding was somehow untrue or they were coerced or they were cooperating with some american deep state in order to do what, to keep him from getting elected? if so the deep state wasn't very effective. he got elected. >> a new report in the post, a growing number of republican senators are ready to acknowledge president trump's quid pro quo. >> -- >> i'm sorry, can you hear me now? >> yes, i can hear you now. you cut out for a second. >> i wanted to show this new

report in the post because it shows a growing number of republican senators are ready to acknowledge president trump's quid pro quo on ukraine, dismissing it as not an impeachable offense. but what exactly are they missing about why this threatens u.s. national security? >> i don't think they're missing the threat to national security, but i do think that they want desperately to avoid impeaching the president. you know, look, the question is, did he do something illegal, like you or i might do something illegal? no, but we're not the president of the united states. the impeachable offense here, broadly speaking, is abuse of power. this is a clear abuse of power, and they know it. they're doing anything they can to try and dodge that fundamental fact. >> christopher dicky thanks for joining us on this saturday morning. great to have you. well, medicare, the all price tag and how elizabeth warren plans to pay for it without raising taxes on the

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elizabeth warren's medicare for all plan, it is a formula to pay for it. and the key number for the pentagon is $800 billion. she proposes to budget cut the military over ten years. and in 2019, the pentagon budget ams to nearly $700 billion. elizabeth warren's medicare for all plan comes with a whopping price tag, and is raising more questions. nbc's andrea mitchell takes a look at the details. >> meeting in iowa, elizabeth warren is putting a price tag on medicare for all, paid for by taxing billionaires and big business. >> i have a plan that shows how we can have medicare for all, without raising taxes one cent. on middle class families. >> warren would eliminate all private employer-based insurance. now covering more than half of all americans. no more premiums. no deductibles. how would she pay for it? employers would pay the government almost $9 trillion over ten years.

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new insight into where americans stand on impeachment. a series of new polls show a widening divide. the "washington post," abc news poll, finds a 49% would back impeachment, and removal of president trump, by congress. 18% of republicans also in support. 47% overall opposing impeachment and removal, including 13% of democrats. meanwhile, a new a. p. poll shows support for the impeachment inquiry is at 47% among all americans. 38% disapprove. the approximately nearly mirroring results from political morning consult earlier this week. joining me is the democratic strategist antjuan seabright, and john, with business insider, back with us. antjuan, how are democrats looking at these numbers? and how much more room is there for public perception to move in their favor? >> well, i want to be clear and

consistent, what i always say to you, is that polls are simply a snapshot of the time. however, i think what every american wants, whether you're a democrat or republican, is they want transparency, and they want the system to work for them. and so when you see donald trump, abusing power, when you see corruption, that continues to overflow from this administration, what people want is accountability. and they want to know that the system does not show favoritism for some, and does not show that for others. that's why you see this important step that house democrats took this week, of providing an impeachment parameter around transparency with this impeachment inquiry. so we can be public about gathering facts. and displaying what lawmakers are seeing behind the scenes. so that the republicans cannot paint this false narrative that things are not as bad as it seems. i commend my leader, clyburn in

washington, d.c. to be there with the house democratic leadership, bringing them together and caucus members together, to provide transparency to this process. >> john, how significant is it that 18% of republicans say they support the impeachment and removal? >> well, i think it is interesting that 82% of democrats say they support impeachment, but 82% of republicans say they oppose it. 18% of democrats say they support impeachment but 82% of republicans say they oppose it. and 18% is not a large number. it is a slight increase in suppr impeachment or an impeachment inquiry from republican voters in multiple polls. and i think as the impeachment inquiry becomes more public, we could see support for impeachment increase. the house vote to formalize the impeachment inquiry on thursday was a signal we're going to see it become more public and the democrats are going to lay out their case for impeachment. and if they're able to convince enough americans, then yeah

sure, we might see support for impeachment increase among gop voters. >> i want to ask you about another finding in that politico morning consult poll. 48% of voters say they disapprove of the democrats' handling of the impeachment inquiry. with 39% approving what is the take-away for democrats there? >> at the end of the day we not allow republicans to paint the narrative about this process. and try to claim that some dark, gloomy picture. want to paint a certain perception as if we're doing something wrong as democrats by providing oversight and transparency to the process. the leadership of the house called the republicans' bluff. they tried to indicate that this somehow, this process was being done in secret. and that no one knew what was going on, including republicans, when we all know that 47 or 48 members of the 25% of the congress were on the committees

doing the work. what do house democrats do? they're making this process public. they're releasing transcripts. they're allowing people to testify so that the american people can see clear as day that this was wrong, this is about national security. this is about abuse of power and corruption and this is about trying to prevent future administrations to do what donald trump and his administration is trying to do. and that's abuse of power. >> antoine, i want to turn to 2020, a new poll on the democratic race in iowa. painting a picture of a four-way race with warren, sanders, buttigieg and biden all within the margin of error. what does it tell you about where voters are, and are more minds being made up, or is this anyone's game? >> with due respect, it tells me that voters in iowa may have things a bit confused. i think there's still a lot of ball left to be played in iowa.

while i love people in iowa, i love people in new hampshire, i definitely rock with people in nevada, the ball game is in south carolina, south carolina will be the real test case for this race. however, for some people like warren, buttigieg and sanders, i will be, could be a place of strength, iowa could be a place of a launching pad for them. but for joe biden, arguably still the front-runner in this race, south carolina could not only be a place of rehab, but it could be a place of comfort and a place of relaunch for him to go on to secure the party's nomination with our large percentage of african-american vote who are will participate in our primary process. >> nbc's steve carnacki compared this poll to the latest in new hampshire. >> this is where new hampshire stands, it's cluttered. sanders newest poll this week in first place in new hampshire.

what happens if sanders sneaks up and wins iowa, does he roll it into new hampshire and win new hampshire? what's the track record of candidates winning iowa and new hampshire? on the democratic side, modern era, candidates who have done that are undefeated when it comes to winning the democratic nomination. >> historically no candidate has ever won the party's nomination without coming in the top two spots in new hampshire and iowa. we've seen some candidates closer to the middle of the pack, like kamala harris really prioritize states like iowa, which is emblematic of its historical importance. some polls which show biden slipping, show that although he is the front-runner on the national stage, his nomination is not guaranteed. i also think it shows that

bernie sanders's campaign is a lot more robust than it's probably been given credit for, particularly after his recent health problems. and it also comes after biden had a rough third quarter in terms of fundsing to kpa ing fu to warren and sanders. it spells trouble for biden's campaign. >> with all due respect you cannot be the democratic nominee without having strong, broad across-the-board african-american support. and none of the states that come before south carolina have a true display of the african-american voters perspective or their true voice. so while there's some candidates with all due respect who are trying to rewrite the pathway for what it looks like to capture our party's nomination, i think we will be fooling ourselves or giving a political pump-fake to the american people if we think winning this

nomination can be done without having african-american voters on your side in a big way starting in south carolina and all the states that follow south carolina who have large percentage of african-american participating in the process and especially black women. >> thank you for joining us. well if you're just waking up, new information this morning about a key witness in impeachment inquiry and why he was told to keep quiet. how it may raise more troubling questions about a potential cover-up. that's up next. that could one day power planes, propel ships, and fuel trucks... and cut their greenhouse gas emissions in half. algae. its potential just keeps growing.

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time for me to say good-bye, i'm dara brown, i'll be back tomorrow on "msnbc live." now stay with frances rivera. good morning, dara. in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 7:00 in the east. 4:00 out west. day four of the impeachment inquiry and democrats have entered a new phase, there are several critical and rapid developments in the last 24 hours from capitol hill to the white house. here's a snapshot of what's transpired here on msnbc. we bring you the latest. >> it is day one now, right? day one of the impeachment inquiry's new and public face. >> explosive new testimony, testimony morrison, the former national security council senior director for europe testified he wa