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thank you for joining us today. we'll be back here next friday, that is "all in" for this evening, rachael maddow starting right now. >> thank you for joining us this hour. because it is friday there is a ton of news. but i need to start tonight with an apology. not a correction but i am sorry. for more than a week i neglected and forgot that i needed to poof tim ryan. i'm so sorry. a week ago yesterday ohio democratic congressman tim ryan dropped out of the presidential race. don't worry it is not a lonely race yet, there is still roughly
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400,000 democrats running for democrat if we round up to the nearest 400,000. but he dropped out and i'm committed to tracking that and i'm sorry that i forgot until now. so he is no longer a candidate so we get to three, two, one -- poof. now what is even more embarrassing for me is that the only reason i remembered today that i needed to poof tim ryan, and i had forgotten to, is because today yet another democratic candidate has dropped out, you have probably seen the evening. it is a real head of steam.
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tonight he announced he is leaving the presidential race. we'll have to poof him off of the list of candidates this evening and we'll talk about the impact that beto o'rourke's departure may have in the rest of the race. it is not clear if he would make the next debate, the georgia debate later this month, but he made all of the previous debates and he had a real natural reach, and a ton of name recognition, and he has an considerable and interesting fund raising base. again, you have my apologies for me not poofing tim ryan until eight days late. that said, like i mentioned, lots of news to get to tonight, the unofficial friday night courthouse news drama reporting award goes today two to emma
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o'connor of buzz feed news. we expected an interesting and intrigues hearing involving our old friend igor. igor and his friend were arrested at an airport trying to leave. they were charged with trying to illegally funnel foreign money into campaigns including the major superpact. lev has switched his representation, but igor, his buddy, he has stuck with paul manafort's lawyers for his legal
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representation. that itself is fascinating and as yet untold subplot here. the way the president's imprisoned former campaign chairman is at the heart soft many tend realrals. we talked about this interesting filing made with a federal court in new york. the court handling lev and igor lawyer, he wrote to the judge in the case asking for a hearing today because the lawyer said he had new information with which he want today try to persuade the judge that his client should no longer have the onerous bail conditions. specifically he no longer wanted his client to be under house arrest or to wear a gps monitoring device on his ankle. so igor and his council agreed to the exact bail conditions a week ago. so it is intriguing, sort of weird, they're writing the judge
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last night already saying they want relief from those conditions that they just signed up for. so we thought there might be something dramatic they could unveil in court today in an effort to convince the judge on something he just decided last week into we had a heads up that the hearing might be interesting. it was dramatic, it was not a hearing that was dramatic in the way that igor and his lawyer probably wanted. as i mentioned emma o conner 'c gets the reporter reward. he tried to argument that his client was not a flight riskt and did not need to be under house arrest despite the fact he was arrested boarding a plane with a one-way ticket.
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the judge said i'm not sure what your ask is here. mr. blanche sighed and looked down. he was attempted to get modifications to his house arrest. she says the argument today was not going well. the allegations that fruman was arrested on the jetway and he was "fleeing the country" those allegations were completely false. there is zero evidence. the judge asked was it false that your client had a one-way ticket. no, your honor, that is absolutely true. at which point in my office, we promptly ordered the transcript of the court hearing and it turns out her reporting is exactly correct. here it is how it goes today.
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igor's lawyer says "your honor, i don't know what is in the government's mind, but it seems that everybody agreed to home detention is the recorded fact that he was arrested at dulles airport with a one-way ticket to vienna, the only admissibility of that is that he was fleeing the country." that is false, there is no evidence he was leaving the country and not coming back. is it false he had a one-way ticket to vienna. >> pardon me? >> did he have a one way ticket to vienna? >> no, your honor, that is true. >> there is the part for example where the lawyer telling the judge that at the end of the day i snow is a odd question because
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we agreed to this all last week. he goes on to say that requiring him to sit in his apartment in miami is not necessary in my view. not an awesome argument. i don't think that is necessary, but it doesn't feel right to me it is entirely possible that the guy is fleaieing the country wh they arrested him at dulles. i will start with the circumstances of his arrest. what is clear is that he was subpoenaed by congress on october 7th. the next day he booked this flight, the next day, after that, on october 9th, he was at the airport and arrested on the jet bridge as he was boarding a one-way flight to vienna.
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that is not the sole argument, but it is a fear here, he had a reason to leave and he did it on short notice. they go on to say that he would have found it comfort tobl stay there. he lived a good part of his life in ukraine. he operating a bar called buddha bra, he has a luxury brand with restaurants and hotels. this is the hotel brochure for tada. he is the president and ceo tada luxury group. this was not in the pretrial services report because the defendant did not disclose it but there is a hotel, restaurants, a beach college, various retail stores associated with this group, i think it is
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safe to say the defendant is in a position to return to ukraine where he is politically connected and he could decide to never come back here. this is a reason that substantial conditions need to be in place in the united states to ensure that he does not flea. >> this is a hearing that igor asked for. and you know sometimes judges, you know they hear arguments like this, maybe they take a few times, a recess, but it didn't take but a few seconds. the judge was able to rule right there, thank you for your argument, having concerned the statutes, i'm going to deny the bail modification. so he will day there, later in the hearing, prosecutors made clear his bail might fall apart anyway, his sbroer a cosigner
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for his million dollars bail. prosecutors explained ta they have reason to believe that igor's brother might be involved in some of the crimes for which igor has been charged. and however much flexibility there may be in the bail system, especially ones with links to the president's impeachment, i don't know does that affect these sorts of things? regardless of what kind of case it is, they're not going to let you post bail money that is derived from the crimes you're being charged with, right? even us nonlawyers can get that, you can't rob a bank and post bail with the money you stole from the bank. they're also not going to let someone co-sign for your bail if that person was involved in your bank robbery. so he is still on house arrest, the ankle monitor, and the bail is in jeopardy and it looks like they'll be back in court on that
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next week. so the relationship between these two guys and the president and the president's personal lawyer, they remain murky but already fascinating. in terms of their case, in the way it's playing out in criminal court, so far things are not going well in court. things are also not going well for mic flin he is still awaiting sentencing for his crimes. he is due to be sentenced next month and as we have covered mike flynn traded in his old lawyers and he got lawyers who decided to go full fox news deep state conspiracy storm the state, like, storm the skiff in their defense.
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to the point where they're saying he didn't mean to please guilty after all. mike flynn's position news lawyers are saying he doesn't need to rescind his plea even though they're contending his innocence because the crime family is so out ray yourself they should throw out the case, dissolve the fbi, and lock up the real criminals, menning the fbi agents and the prosecutors involved in his case and any russia cases at all, they're the real criminals, the krael conspiracy, and mike flynn didn't do anything wrong. that is the basis of the sentencing if has been questioned by flynn's new defense. flynn's new claim that he did plead guilty, admitted in court that he lied to the fbi about his contacts with the russian government, his claim is that he didn't mean it.
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that guilty plea was an error and he was trapped in and framed. his lawyers say he was set up, even if he plead guilty. they're saying the fbi lied about the fact that flynn lied to them and after that they hypnotized him into lying. it is all very weird. but the defense, the notes that he said he lied on, they're saying that the fbi notes that show that he lied were a forgery. they were not real notes, they were doctors. and they are demanding that they release these notes they say
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that a member of the media told the office of inspector general that fbi director andrew mccabe pressured blank to change -- notice that a member of the media had received information that mccabe pressured somebody to change the interview notes documenting michael flynn lying to the fbi. after the nature of the interview the blanked out name provided the following information, andrew mccabe did not pressure them to change michael flynn's 302. this person did not tell anyone that mccabe or anyone else at the fbi pressured him to change the 302. also this person has no information on any pressure to
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change the 302 and finally this person believes that all of the information in the 302 is accurate. it is government lawyers responding today to mike flynn saying nope. there is a story that it is all made up, the fbi said we went back and looked at it because of the weird allegations and nope, he definitely lied. he plead guilty to his conversations with the russian government and no matter what you plugged into on fox news or facebook, you still have to understand some stuff.
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clearly flynn and his lawyers are not playing his case to try to win in court now. the court filings there are now bonkers. and so they're playing this now, not to win with a judge but to win, instead, on fox news with an eye toward winning with the president, the presumption is they're playing this now to try to get mike flynn a presidential pardon and there is recent evidence that in fact they have the president's attention with fox news coverage of this increasingly insane flynn defense theory. here is something i want you to keep an eye on though, the very first time that we the public had any inkling that mike flynn would be in legal trouble, before the charges against him were brought, before he was fired from the white house, the first time that we have any sign that there was trouble with trump's national security
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column, remember when i first read that column in january 2017, there was a bolt from the flu. this is what he said, michael t flynn, trump's choice cultivates close rub shan contacts. he has appeared on russia today and received a speaking fee from the cable network that was striebed in last night's intelligence briefing as the kremlin's criminal propaganda outlet. according to an official, he phoned kislyak several times. what did flynn say and did it under cut the sanctions? ignatius said we ought to know the facts. that was the first we knew about mike flin having secret communications. and eventually we would know the
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facts, it would take awhile for that to come out, that column was published a week before trump was inaugurated. well before any news outlets came out, this whole series of events that lead to his guilty plea for lying to the fbi about those contacts. but it was interesting, it was in a column, right? the washington post as you expect has a clear divide between the news and editorial pages, they have columnists and the paper's own editorials break news and it was that david ignatiou it lead to all of this stuff that happened since then and just a few weeks ago the post did it again. it was september 5th, and an editorial, not a news story but a editorial which broke the news
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of the scandal that would thread to the current impeachment proceedings against president trump. this was the first report. september september 5 thth year. this year, editorial page. you see trump tries to force ukraine to meddle in 20920 election. an editorial and they nailed it. you crane's new president has so far failed to end the back game of president trump, he refused to grant the lead aerowhite house visit but he suspended the delivery. when you take align, you have the support of a probiotic
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the editorial pages is not usually where you turn to for the latest breaking news, but in the case of "the washington post" in the trump era that has been the case. they have broke huge stories. the news of trump national security advisor mike flynn talking to the russian government about sanctions. a key early revelation in the whole trump russia scandal and
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something that may put flynn in prison. we have also seen the post just a few weeks ago in an editorial breaking the news about president trump delaying aid to ukraine to make them give him dirt on joe biden. the not that has lead to these very serious impeachment proceedings against the president, now as they go forward on serious footing, the washington post editorial page appears to do it once again. it is from david ignatius. and he raises the prospect that this scheme may have been round two for president trump and ukraine. he may have done this exact thing once before with ukraine before he did it this time and got cot. before zelensky was elected
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president, according to david g ignatius in 2017, they tried to get better contacts with the new american add min station. they were paying to try to get into the white house. they wanted contacts with the new trump folks. according to david ignatius they hired a group and nothing was happening. then in june 2017, the door opened. why? well here is something we didn't know before, june 7th, rudy giuliani visited ukraine, kiev, and me met with the president there and a prosecutor, and who knows what was said at that meeting, but within a couple of days for some strange reason,
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ukraine's then ongoing criminal investigations of trump campaign chairman paul manafort got dropped. paul manafort was arrested for his connection to a pro-kremlin political party, luting the government for themselves when they're in charge. that was ukraine's money that went up thechimney with those guys. as part of their nsinvestigatio of manafort we believe they were cooperating with the domestic investigation of paul manafort here at home. the one that would result in his prosecution and imprisonment on multiple felony accounts. so ukraine has these open
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investigations of manafort, and with within a couple days, a couple days of that meeting, the manafort cases are taken away and moved to be under the per view of the president. and people in ukraine were mad about this. this is a headline in the post a week after giuliani was there meeting with ukraine's president, black ledger information comes to a haelt, a secret handwritten list of $2 billion in shady payments appears to have stalled. when reports of the finding surfaced last year it lead to the resignation of paul manafort, his name was found in
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the ledger, but the anticorruption prosecutor's office of ukraine has passed the ledger documents to the special investigations department of the prosecutor general's office and of course, different prosecutors offices, we don't know, from here how do we know how to judge the various equities or proprieties of officers in some foreign countries. we don't know, but they do. we was quoted at the time saying what it meant. the fact that the black ledger case was passed means it will be under political control. it is clear to me that someone gave an order to bury the black ledger. and then presto. interesting. rusy gets his meeting, the cases
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get dropped and buried, and the president gets his white house meeting. the one that the ukrainian presidency has been trying for fruitlessly for months instandly comes through once those manafort cases are shelved. >> they get disappeared in ukraine and help that the prosecutors might have been providing to u.s. prosecutors, the special council's office, right? that all goes away right after the giuliani meeting. and presto, the president gets
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his white house meeting that he could not get nor fear for mont before then. the reporter who broke mike flynn, this is ignatius riting about the scandal, and it looks like this may have been round two. president trump working through rudy giuliani, getting them to do things to help trump in exchange for something that that country wanted and needed from the u.s. government. one last point on this. you might remember that last year there was a "new york times" report. last may, we talked about it in the last couple of months on the show. it was a report from the "new york times" last may which suggested that ukraine dropped
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those manufacture cases, and they stopped helping the special counc council's office, the times reporting suggested that when they shelved those manafort cases ukrainians were not only doing that in an effort to avoid irritating the top american officials, they were also doing it, they believed, because they were trying to security the javelin missiles from the united states that they want today use in their war against russia. the ukraine government believes that dropping the cases against manafort would not only avoid irritating top u.s. officials but facilitate the delivery of those missiles to the u.s. government. they did kill the manafort cases. they help stop the special council. after doing so they all of a sudden, we now know, got their white house meeting for the president they previously
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couldn't get and they finally got the delivery of the missiles they previously couldn't get. and they are talking to the prosecutors in the middle of that. does that sound familiar or what? was that round one? was that the dress rehearsal for extorting stuff out of trump in ukraine. and when they tried to get away with it this year, too many people saw them and squawked? is the reason trump thought this was a perfect call is because he got away with it before so he thought it was legal. this question is now being raised by a well connected communist that broke a lot of these stories already. one final point about it. it kind of looks like the impeachment investigators on capitol hill may be on to this already, and i say that based on one little short piece of tape.
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this is a senior member of the hearing committee coming out behind the door where they have been doing these closed door depositions and he gives reporters a hint has to where some of this might be going. he say it's to them first, off camera, and they can't quite believe it, or they want to get him on the record, they say please repeat it, please say it again on camera so they have him on the record. watch what he tells them. >> if i were an enterprising reporter, i would spend a little time on the issue of javelin missiles. >> why? >> be an enterprising reporter. >> if i were an enterprising reporter i would spend a little
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>> reporter: so tonight we have testimony by a member of the president's cabinet. rick perry has been scribed as one of three people in the trump administration and policy and maybe extortion involving the nation of ukraine. it is rick perry along with kurt volker and the ambassador gordon sondland. and they called themselves the three amigos. how much do you want to bet rick perry came up with that name. tonight the wall street adjourn says an invitation to testify
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has gone out. they want him to testify next week. secretary perry's chief of staff has also been called in for testimony, but in his case it is not a request, it is a subpoena, a spokes person for secretary perry says he will not testify in closed session but he might consider showing up for a public hearing with his lawyer, that may not be all his choice honestly, but we'll see. this call for energy secretary perry to testify is just the latest sign that the impeachment proceedings are closest to the president and that has interesting consequences for what happens next. that story is next, stay with us. next. that story is next, stay with us ♪upbeat musieverything was so fresh in the beginning. [sniff] ♪ dramatic music♪ but that plug quickly faded. ♪upbeat music luckily there's febreze plug. it cleans away odors and freshens for 1200 hours.
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another subpoena went out today for an impeachment inquiry for a senior lawyer named john eisenberg. he reportedly tucked away the transcript of the leader of ukraine in late july. tucked it into a super high security server. he was told that the president had done something wrong on that call and eisenberg responded by tucking the call notes away in that weird place they should not have otherwise gone. politi politico.com advanced that story that after the call notes were put in that secure server he went back to colonel vindman
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said he needed to not discuss it with anyone else. actually a couple days later after the white house tlaulawye learned there was an anonymous whistle. they asked vindman if he spoke to other officials about his concerns and instructed vindman not have any further conversations about the matter. did you tell anyone else about this? don't tell anybody what the president did wrong or what i did to cover it up. there is also a question of how mr. eisenberg moves that call on to the server. he couldn't have moved the document to the more secure system by himself. that raises the question as to what reasons were given for needing it to be moved. so when the guy goes to move the
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notes from the call, he gets told the president did something wrong on that call. now you, don't tell anyone what you thought was wrong and don't tell anyone i put it on the secret server now i need help to put it on the server. i need you to do this but here is why -- i mean if reasons had to be given to other people who then had to help him put the transcript on the secret server, that means there are not only other witnesses, that mean there's is a documentary trail about who pushed what buttons, what the chain of custody was. who made this decision under what supposed terms and who was involved and that gets to be difficult territory historically in a hurry. when we look back at the watergate investigation, the resignation of a president, and that was huge, but along the way dozens of other people were criminally indicted. when people other than the president get in trouble, get
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caught for covering up the president's wrong doing, how does that change the course of an impeachment overall. how does it affect the scandal and the overall momentum and reach of the impeachment proceedings. i know just the guy to ask. it is great to see you. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you, great to see you, rachael. from the very dpining, it it is about actions in the white house to, it seems, to cover it up to make sure the evidence of the president's behavior was not easily accessible. is there something to see for how those two sides might interact. i think one echo in history is the watergate scandal with nixon. has you know there was a break
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in at the watergate and one of the people that broke in was a guy named james mccord and he wrote a letter to the judge saying he was being pressured by people in the white house to cover up the fact that they were involved in that break in and so that lead to investigation of others, people started testifying against one another, and in the end, finally 69 people were indicted and 48 convicted in the watergate scandal. if there is a cover up and an intensive investigation of what history suggests is that it may not last. >> in terms of the limits of that parallel. a lot of people believe that attorney general william bar bhiegt a worse case scenario attorney general for public accountability for this scandal. if he is going to keep a champ on the criminal justice process to make sure that not only is the president protected but
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anyone around the president is protected raises the question as to whether or not those kinds of parallels could come to pass. if they don't get prosecuted, i suppose we're talking about the impeachment of other high ranking officials by the congress and that might be as far as it goes. >> so very much like water gate you have people testifying in public. you have john dean that went before the committee and said for the first time i have first-hand knowledge that the person in charge of the cover up is richard nixon, or you alexander but terfield says no one knew this, but he was taping his conversations and there is evidence about whether or not he
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race. do you expect his leaving the race to have consequences for any other candidate? >> i was looking at the polling that's out there. he was at 1%, 2% in the polls and as you start to break that down and see where it's coming from, really hard to tell. it looks like it's more from the younger end of the spectrum than the older end. the candidate struggling the most with younger voters, joe biden. so maybe it's good news for anybody not named biden but realistically at the level o'rourke was at the end here, it's hard to see him having a measurable impact. >> his trajectory like in raw political science terms, he came out of this texas senate campaign where he got reasonably close to knocking off an incumbent republican senator in texas. got a huge amount of attention from liberals nationwide but also from the press. i presume that gave him an interesting fund-raising base. when he started particularly at the beginning when he still had the momentum from that senate race. is that true?
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>> i think everybody presumed that. fund raising and actual support. it's hard to remember now, when he got in the race, he had double digit support nationally. and he'd run a senate campaign, yes, but that was a national campaign for all intents and purposes. the money coming in, the media attention he was getting. and what was he doing in texas in 2018? he was chasing one of these great unfulfilled dreams, for democrats nationally. flipping texas blue, defeating ted cruz, all these sort of sweet spots for democrats i think were hit when they look said at beto o'rourke. but then you turn around and the contrast for him in 2019 is not ted cruz but elizabeth warren and cory booker and pete buttigieg. i think it plays differently in that context than last year's. >> it sounds like he's not going to run for senate in 2020. there is a senate seat in texas up in 2020. do you think that's wise? >> think about the play he made over the last few months as his campaign started to lose support he became much more outspoken, i
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think there was a sense maybe there was a national democratic primary electorate that might resonate with. doesn't look like it really did that much. but to turn around and try to win statewide in texas it might be tricky. texas, i know democrats think it could go blue in 2020, but texas still on some of these issues where he really staked out bold positions, he might have gone in directions that could complicate that. >> msnbc national political correspondent steve kornacki, great to see you, my friend. steve kornacki will be back tonight at 11:00 on "the 11th hour." we'll be right back. customizes home insurance, so they'll only pay for what they need. your turn to keep watch, limu. wake me up if you see anything. [ snoring ] [ loud squawking and siren blaring ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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i told you this was going to be an exhausting week. it has been an exhausting week. that means you have to have a good weekend and rest up because next week is probably going to be worse. we'll see you again on monday. now it's time for the "last word" where ali velshi is in for lawrence tonight. good evening, ali. >> good evening, rachel. i think most of our viewers would appreciate it if you had a restful weekend so you could be in fine form for next weekend. >> i will do my damnedest. thank you. ahead tonight the democrats face-to-face with a top trump official. congresswoman debby wassermann schultz has accused acting u.s. citizenship and immigration services director ken cuccinelli of pursuing a, quote, heinous white supremacist ideology in seeking to deny public benefits to immigrants. at the end of the hour, we'll speak to the congresswoman about her allegation. also it's the dinner that helped make barack obama a star. many consider iowa's liberty and justice celebration as the place where obama had his breakout moment in the 2007 presidential race.