and keep pointing my feet towards forgiveness. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. just boos, just cheers or both? president trump waking up in new york after a big fight night. what to make of his strategy in the impeachment battle. a new week of depositions. in stom -- nancy pelosi's message to democrats. why she's worried some may be on the wrong track. coast to coast battle. where the president is going to

keep his tax returns private. it is day 41 of the impeachment inquiry. president trump is in new york this morning after attending a ufc fight last night. his first appearance in his hometown since announcing he changed his residency to florida. the president was greeted by protesters outside the arena and inside a mixed reception. meanwhile, another fight for the president moves in washington over impeachment. congress gearing up for the next phase of its investigation. the "washington post" reporting house democrats are pivoting from fact finding to a campaign of persuasion. privately sketching out how they plan to use a series of blockbuster hearings to make the public case for trump's removal from office. some democrats are saying they already have enough evidence to

impeach. do you at this point think there's enough evidence to bring forth articles of impeachment against donald trump? >> yes, i do. actually, i thought there was back in the mueller testimony. >> do you think you have heard right now enough to impeach this president? >> well, i do. i think that when the military officer just laid it all out and the -- plus the president said it himself on television. >> this is several key witnesses scheduled to testify before the committees this week, including potentially the most notable witnesses yet. former national security adviser john bolton and departing secretary of energy rick perry. the big question, will they show up? let's go to hans nichols first in new york. hans, good morning to you. there was mixed reaction when the nt entered the arena at madison square garden. what exactly happened? >> reporter: we don't know. like so much of the president's appearance here in new york, his

presidency, it's controversial. there were enthusiastic boos, there were enthusiastic cheers. i think this will be debated about for some time. dana white, one of the ufc promoters, a big person in martial arts insisting, as well as the president's son insisting it was raucous and friendly. we did hear some boos as well. the president goes to events like this, not just to talk to the audience or be in front of the audience, but it's all the americans that follow this kind of sport. you look at the mixed martial arts demographic. that's the demographic the president needs to turn out at the polls and next november one year from now. now, before he came up here, we did get a little bit of news from the president. a little bit more, i don't want to say about his strategy to face impeachment but at least -- he would consider inviting president zelensky, the president of you crain to washington, to the white house. he says he's a good guy and almost an open invitation there. that would be a fascinating sit

down in the oval office with the cameras clicking and potential questions being asked. now at the same time, the president is affecting, i'm not sure he believes this, he's saying he doesn't have anything to fear from all this testimony. >> would you talk -- [ inaudible ] >> i don't know. you have to speak to the lawyers. nancy pelosi has become unhinged. there's something wrong her. if you look at what's happening, if you look at the poll numbers, if you look at the poll numbers in the -- they're saying don't do this, don't do it. i'm fine with it. we did absolutely nothing wrong. >> reporter: so that's an indication how the president is looking at polls. he's not looking at big national polls including samples of places like california, places like new york where the president is unpopular. they're looking at the states they need to win. michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. florida, ohio as well. at least there, the president isn't seeing, at least according to him, any softening of his

support. now, the caveat is that polls don't matter, only elections do. a barometer of where the country is on trump. we have three governors elections, mississippi, louisiana and kentucky on tuesday. on friday night the president was in mississippi. these are republican states. they need to run up the score there as a signal, as a message to republican senators if impeachment does go to them, not to defy the president. because the president is so very popular in some of those states. dara. >> hans, we've seen the president, he attended the fight and the world series this past week. going to the public sporting events. is there a new strategy behind this. he usually doesn't do that. >> reporter: he likes sports. so i don't know if there's a broader strategy here. he always tries to host the various victors of various championships of various leagues in the white house. they don't always decide to come. there's controversy over that. the world series is the first

time a world series in washington going back to the '30s. this mixed martial arts is an effort, when you talk to people close to the president, they're always almost teasing you how we don't understand how he communicates with his base, with his people. when you look at the demographics that the president is going to need to really do well with and it is a demographic that follows mixed martial arts. regardless of the kind of reception he got in madison square garden, i think their broader point is going beyond. it will bring out potentially new voters and those are the voters the president may need to get him across the line. >> interesting strategy. hans nichols, thank you so much. joining me is hanna trudeau and scott wong from the hill. democrats are looking ahead to a busy week of depositions in this impeachment inquiry. scott, how damaging could this week's witnesses be? >> well, we have several big

names on wednesday. the democrats have called secretary of energy rick perry as well as the acting omb director russell vaught who has -- who would have firsthand knowledge about the military aid that was being withheld to the ukraine. also on thursday, the big name would be john bolton, the former national security adviser -- head of the national security council who had broken with the president over, among other things, this ukraine issue, had raised numerous concerns about withholding aid to the ukraine and made that opinion very clear in the white house. the big question as you mentioned earlier, will the individuals show up at the hearings. so far vout and rick perry indicated they would not. if subpoenaed, he will have to

consider that. so it's -- i think we can expect that democrats will issue subpoenas and see how the individuals respond to the subpoenas. there's a new poll out saying 53% of americans saying the house is mainly motivated by politics to challenge trump's presiden presidency. 53% saying they're acting in good faith. hanna, do you expect the numbers to stay the same? >> i think like with any polls, they can fluctuate a little bait. nancy pelosi has said should be the focus all along is to keep the focus on the ukraine investigation and not -- of course, we're in a presidential election and that's what we're seeing in that poll. she specified since day one and even before the house was contemplating, this is not a

political decision, this does not have to do with the upcoming election and that it should be focused solely on ukraine as much as it can be. i think we might be able to see a little bit of fluctuation. but it seems like democrats are united at point at least to keep the focus strictly where it is and not on the broader political -- >> as we move to public proceedings, what do you expect the white house's strategy to be? >> well, i think part of of the strategy and we've seen the president out in public at the baseball game and at the mma event the other night, is to show the american public that he's still the president. that he's -- you know, he's still out there in the public fighting for his constituents and his supporters. so they are defiant. republican allies on capitol hill has been attacking the whistle-blower. this seems to be one of their

strategies, to try to unmask or reveal the identity of the whistle-blower. democrats say that's an extremely dangerous path, they fear for the whistle-blower's safety. republicans feel there was some political motivation behind the whistle-blower bringing this complaint to the public and triggering really what has been this massive impeachment process. so i think we're going to hear more in the days and weeks ahead about the whistle-blower from republicans and from the president himself. turning now to the never before seen documents from mueller's investigation of the russia interference in the 2016 presidential election, scott, what are the biggest takeaways from these documents just released by the doj as part of the freedom of information request by buzzfeed news? >> right. i don't think this changes -- i don't think this is a huge game changer. i think it provide more color for us in terms of what robert

mueller was looking at. we don't have the transcripts from all of these individuals who were interviewed as part of the mueller report, but it does paint a more complete picture of what mueller was working with. i think there was a lot of smoke but maybe no smoking gun and that's the reason why we see mueller who was not able to charge any of the individuals in trump's family or in his immediate orbit conspiracy with russia in terms of the interference. so it just paints a more complete picture. i think democrats may be a little concerned about these documents leaking out now because it now complicates and sort of convo lieutenants t-- t >> a new abc "washington post" poll gives us a fresh look at where things stand. joe biden leads with 28%.

warren and sanders behind him with 23% and 17%. buttigieg at 9%. if the only other -- scott, is this a poll, an indication of how fluid -- i'm going to hanna on this. is this an indication of how fluid this race has really become? >> i think it definitely is. we're looking at a top four at the moment. a top four field crystallizing in front of our eyes. that's a national poll, a little more meaningless because it's so far out. if you look at the early state polls as well, we see pete buttigieg rising up very much so in iowa and new hampshire where he's put his focus. we've seen biden slip a little bit. while he remains at the top of some national polls, he's challenged by buttigieg will and also by elizabeth warren by

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with the presidential election exactly one year away from today, house democrats still appear to be undecided on whether they should only focus on trump's ukraine scandal on day 41 of the impeachment inquiry. take a listen. >> don't know if -- take into a whole another class of objection to what the president has done. and there may be other -- there were 11 obstruction of justice provisions in the mueller report. perhaps some of them will be part of the -- >> joining me now is trial lawyer and msnbc legal contributor katie phang and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. glad to have you both with us this morning. glenn, i'll start with you. we may be a few weeks away from learning from the articles of impeachment are. what could be the main article? obstruction, abuse of power, contempt of congress? >> yes, yes, s rk, yes and yes.

>> what he was trying to do with ukraine is the centerpiece and perhaps the main article of impeachment. it's hard to ignore so many of the other corrupt acts that the president has undertaken. as i heard congressman swalwell say recently, trump's got priors. that's something we only say about a defendant in a criminal proceeding. when you sort of look not in isolation at what he tried to do with ukraine to have them fabricate an investigation against joe biden, trump's political opponent, he also did something similar with russia. hey, russia, if you're listening, find the 30,000 missing emails, that, of course, inspired, russia to interfere in the 2016 election. on the other side, the other book end, when the president was on the white house lawn, he said

not only do i want ukraine to look into joe biden, i want china to do it, too. i mean, this really is an embarrassment of riches when it comes to impeachable conduct. the question really becomes, what witnesses do you need to prove-up these various presidential abuses of power. i think that may be the decision that sort of drives the house train with respect to which one of these incidents they should formally offer as an article of impeachment. >> possibly adding to that, katie, the doj yesterday released hundreds of pages of interview notes and emails from the special counsel's investigation. legally, could elements of mueller's findings make up articles of impeachment which makes the case stronger? >> yes. we had heard nancy pelosi talk about adding obstruction of justice articles of impeachment pertaining to trump.

my only concern that i would say, dara is that the mueller investigation didn't necessarily result in the kind of up-swell on the ultimate end of that investigation with the american public. there was so much information that we didn't get. i know that we're getting it on a rolling basis. it's literally millions of pages of documents. it's going to be sent out on a rolling basis. because of that, i don't know if we're going to have enough. there's a particular timeline that's being pursued by house democrats at this time to be able to get those articles of impeachment voted upon and out so that the senate can actually begin the process of a trial of impeachment. people need to remember that you have the articles of impeachment, kind of like a grand jury indictment. but then you have to go to the trial in the senate which would result in a conviction of donald trump or not. so i don't know if there's enough support behind the mueller report and the allegations in the mueller report or whether or not we should focus on the ukrainian

call, the events surrounding that and the subsequent obstruction of congress that's been happening with the blocking of subpoenas, the blocking of testimony and the general intimidation coming out of the trump white house against the whistle-blower and the other people being asked to tell the truth and give transparency to the american people. >> glenn, politico is reporting that the president is rewarding republican senators by tapping his fundraising network for members facing tough re-election bids. it says, quote, trump is exerting leverage over a group he badly needs in his corner with an impeachment trial likely coming soon to the senate. these senators will be jurors when and if he reaches the senate for the trial. do you see this as bribery or jury tampering? >> you know, this is a really interesting aspect of this -- to this old former career prosecutor. because jurors, when they sit, we go to great lengths to ask them questions to determine if they can be fair and impartial

jurors for both sides, for the prosecution and for the defense. but you know, impeachment is not a criminal trial. it's a political process. so i think we have to recognize that every single juror, every single senator, when this case goes from impeachment in the house to trial in the senate, is not a fair and impartial juror. they are all hopelessly biased. now, that doesn't mean they're disqualified from sitting. but they all have a bias if only due to their party affiliation. so will trump probably try to sort of nefariously insert himself and sway the senators one way or another? i think we fully expect that from somebody like donald trump. is that unlawful witness tampering? the devil is probably in the details. we would have to again start talking about things like the

president's corrupt intent when he is undertaking to influence these senators. what i do think, dara, is this is probably reform number 6,752 in the reforms we're going to have to undertake when donald trump leaves office. >> those reform numbers keep growing. glenn kirschner, katie phang, thanks for joining us this morning. after a pivotal week in the impeachment inquiry, see what comes next. watch impeachment: white house in crisis with ari melber only on msnbc. new rea action to keep the u.s. military in syria to protect oil. there's more. details up next. ♪ born to be wild... born to be wild...♪

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now to the morning headlines. firefighters are working around the clock to put out the maria fire north of los angeles. santa ana winds and dry brush are making things worse and drones flying nearby have forced choppers out of the air. >> the situation for those flying the aircraft, we have a lot of embers and hotspots out

there. we don't want the fire getting out ever our containment line. >> they're looking at power lines as a possible source of the flames. washington, d.c. court dropped charges against jane fonda after she was arrested during a climate change -- it's the fourth arrest in the last month for the 81-year-old actress. she plans to continue protests through january. another horse has died at a racetrack in california. it's the 37th horse death at santa anita park since last december. there is new debate erupting over president trump's proclamation that he's keeping syria's oil. it comes after he made a widely made decision to fully withdraw u.s. troops from syria. here's how he's framing the argument. one of the president's former top advisers.

>> we want to bring our soldiers home. but we did leave soldiers because we're keeping the oil. i like oil. we're keeping the oil. >> it is illegal to be in syria for the purpose of protecting oil fields or exploiting those oil fields to somehow make use of those resources for us. that can't happen. you cannot take oil unless you own it and put it legally on to international markets. that's not how it works. those were already protected because we had about 1,000 special forces in the country and the syrian democratic forces we were working with. >> joining me now, bobby ghosh, opinion columnist and member of the editorial board at bloomberg. >> hi, dara. is he violating the geneva convention prapg? >> he actually as good as his word if he's planning to take the oil, keep the oil. more realistically what's going on here, we hear this from

officials at the pentagon, they're trying to keep the oil from the hands of the remaining elements of the islamic state. not take the oil for american purposes but to make sure that the oil does not get into the hands of the wrong people. remember that the islamic state wags tapping into oil resources, selling the oil on the black market and that was substantially a big part of how their economy was managed when they were running large parts of syria. realistically, even if we wanted to take the oil, we could be logistically, near impossible and legally completely untenable. but keeping the oil away from the terrorist social securis is reasonable mission to have. as pointed out, we were already doing that. the united states had a thousand

soldiers, mostly special ops people in the country keeping the oil and other resources away from the islamic state. one of the things they were doing. then the president decided to pull them back and now we're sending others in place. so i think by their math, there were a thousand american troops on the ground before the president -- on the ground before the president made the decision, there are now 900. so not a whole lot less than. >> bobby, president trump's shutdown of the mission. hands over -- now the syrian government gets -- now you said, more people than isis ever did. how can the president justify that? >> well, he's not even trying very much to justify that. his decision -- his attitude is, well, let the turks and the russians and syrians fight over this. he doesn't particularly care. it is true that the syrian regime has killed a magnitude

more syrians and most of them innocent civilians when combative islamic state. the syrian -- it doesn't have much effect on the president at all. his view is we should let other people fight these wars and do the bare minimum which in this case is protecting the oil. as all-american presidents find out in the middle east and especially in syria, mission creep does happen and over a period of time, despite the best intentions of occupants of the white house, american soldiers and troops are required more and more and pretty soon you see the numbers climbing back up. it's quite surprising that the numbers have gone up so quickly in this instance. that's just the reality of the ground even if there are more russian patrols in syria, even if the turks are now in northeastern syria. even if the syrian army is taking more territory.

there's always going to be need for the fight against terrorism to continue. none of those armies are paying particular attention to that fight. it's going to fall more and more to the united states and our allies, sometimes our allies, until we betray them, the kurds. >> the president has now taken his descriptions of the isis leaders last moments, the campaign rallies. do you see this as soaking the tiger? does his language put americans out there at greater risk? >> it's the language of the school year. this is how any one of us who experienced bullying or been a bully in a schoolyard, this is how they talk. you know, whimpering, squealing. it makes no difference really to the -- to the islamic state. it is raw red meat to trump's base. i suppose there is a certain satisfaction to hearing that

from people who have lived in fear of terrorism and who remember all the horrible things that the terroristst did. there is a certain. i think trump is counting on people to feel a visceral sense of satisfaction. but as his own generals and people who were watching that operation take place as they have said, this is not their recollection of what happened. they don't know how the white house came up with this language. as far as the terrorists on ground, the islamic state poking the bear, i don't think they care one way or the other. their agenda of hatred and violence doesn't change a great deal what the american president says. >> bobby ghosh, thank you for your insight. i appreciate you being here on this sunday morning. new government reports show why president trump's expectations for the economy may be a letdown for many americans. that's up next. in late night last night,

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savings. 28% are still okay with switching back and forth. a strong job support for the month of october causing the markets to surge. the u.s. added 128,000 jobs. unemployment stayed low at 3.6%. president trump cheered the numbers before leaving the white house yesterday. >> i think you saw the numbers on the economy. one of the greatest economies we've ever had in the history of our country. tremendous job numbers and tremendous numbers generally. >> but a closer look shows president trump is struggling to match the economic growth numbers that the white house predicted. yahoo finance reporter saah beal marcellus joins us. the gdp in the third quarter increased at a 1.9% rate. that's down from the second quarter and more than 3% in the third quarter. so what does this mean for the overall economic outlook? >> we're looking at the u.s. economy. it's like instead of the wind at

our backs propelling us forward, it's like we're running into a wall of resistance, a storm and we're still growing. but in much slower pace. when it comes to the u.s. economy's growth overall, gdp, we've got the numbers this week, it was just 1.9% growth for the third quarter, which is a significant slowdown from the first quarter from the beginning of the year, 3.1% fwroet. when it comes to what president trump projected over the next five years, a growth of 3% or more. clearly, we're falling significantly short of that. that's alarming when it comes to our growth and consumers. because we want consumers to be healthy, to spend more and if the economy is slowing down and we're seeing businesses reluctant to invest, then we start to see trouble. >> what is slowing the gdp down? >> there's several different factors slowing down gdp. but the main factor is the fact that president trump continues to pursue his trade war with china. there was no resolution.

because there's uncertainty in the business climate, we're seeing corporate america reluctant to invest. they're not spending when it comes to commercial real estate, equipment, factories, materials that they need. that's why we're seeing the slowdown. consumers are on a shopping spree. but that's slowing down. >> are these numbers closer to a recession. >> we're not at a recession. that's the good part. the consumer remains healthy. it's important because we're in the fourth quarter. christmas is coming, thanksgiving, shopping. entertaining friends. we need them to have stronger wages so they continue to be a strong engine for the economy. that's the jobs report. the good news is, unemployment rates stay relatively significantly good. so we're at a 50-year low. previously in the month of october, it was 3.6%. it's still good. people are still employed. they are still finding jobs. but wages, that's still the issue. wages are up 3% year over year.

if you want consumers to continue to propel the economy forward, we need wages to grow more. typically, it takes three quarters for a recession to actually take effect. so negative growth to have that take effect. where do we stand. >> we've had several different signals showing that a recession is on the horizon. we've seen the curve in the bond market and many economists predict a recession to hit in 2020. we know that president trump doesn't want that to happen with the election season coming. his biggest issue when it comes to bragging rights is the economy. he wants the economy to be as strong as possible. the department of labor said that 128,000 jobs were added in the month of october. president trump tweeted out a bigger number. 303,000 jobs for a couple seconds there, he had economists, analysts and journalists scratching our heads thinking where does president trump come up with the bigger number reported. turns out, we had an economic

adviser defend president trump saying, well, the way he got the number adding the 128,000 plus he was adding 95,000 which is revisions from the month of october. sorry, august and september plus 50,000 for the gm workers, 20,000 for the -- the fact that president trump came out with a bigger number from the department of labor shows that he wanted jobs to be much more significant than it actually was during the month of october. >> that is a lot to take in on a sunday morning. let's hope we can stay on the path there. sibile, thank you so much. i like that. remember november. divisive words from nancy pelosi about some of the 2020 democrats and the question, what are you thinking? as soon as the homeowners arrive, we'll inform them that liberty mutual customizes home insurance, so they'll only pay for what they need. your turn to keep watch, limu. wake me up if you see anything. [ snoring ]

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national debt. on friday, another record high in red ink. the debt surpassing $23 trillion on friday. and since trump took office, the debt has risen 16% from $19.9 trillion. now to a new interview with house speaker nancy pelosi. the speaker locked in an impeachment battle with the white house. not holding back from weighing in with 2020 democrats. she thinks a number of them are on the wrong track not singling candidates out by name. she said what works with san francisco does not necessarily work in michigan. she went on to express concerns about the race to the left calling out medicare for all and the green and new deal. the most critical question candidates should be answering is why they should be president. joining me now is radio talk show host rashad richie and hanna trudo is joining us again. rashad, i want to start with you. pelosi is not endorsing anyone.

doesn't it read like she's dismissing some in the top tier? >> sure it does. speaker pelosi, she's trying to encourage a more moderate type democratic type candidate. however, that won't work in this political climate. be honest, speaker pelosi came from the left of the party, became the first woman to be speaker of the house and she's able to politically orchestrate some of the most amazing ventures in politics, including the affordable care act. outside of the spectrum of politics we have a people connection issue and moving into the arena you have to win the election that is in front of you. you have to win that. and speaker pelosi was actually wrong on one dynamic, i know people will push back on me, but she's wrong on the medicare for all. 70% of americans are for medicare for all until you get into the details about the payer option or having to dismiss your

own insurance company currently. so that becomes the detail that loses the american, but americans typically are for medicare for all. >> and, hanna is it risky for pelosi to be weighing in on this and will this give republicans new ammunition? >> i think it's definitely risky because she mentioned michigan which is the state that bernie sanders of all people won in the democratic primary. so there's clearly an appetite against a more centrist democrat for that particular policy proposal in the primary climate. now, that will only give republicans a little bit more ammunition in my view to show that, you know, maybe she's out of touch with the more left wing part of the base that's really fired up right now, but also just that democrats are divided on many key election issues, including health care, and you mentioned the green new deal, but also the wealth tax, which is something that both bernie sanders and elizabeth warren

have introduced. so the more that she sort of promotes these more centrist-leaning policies which is, of course, popular to some voters she runs the risk of looking like she is promoting a more sort of fractured democratic party as people fail to unite around one common theme. >> rashad, there is a new national poll on 2020 democrats that just came out from the "washington post" abc news and it has joe biden leading at 28%, followed by warren at 23 and sanders at 17. pete buttigieg is also in that top tier there at 9% and no other candidate received more than 2%. so what does this tell you about where voters' minds are? >> well, it tells me not to pay that much attention to national polling. you have to look at polling state by state, especially the iowa caucus coming up in 100 days and new hampshire. when you look at those caucus and early primaries you have a very, very competitive democratic primary ahead. you look at iowa, iowa right now

has mayor pete surging, but the guys also outspending joe biden by five to one in that state. iowa caucus goers are very serious about their politics, so 58% of them are saying they want new leadership while 28% say they want somebody with longevity of government history but an overwhelming 75% say they need a candidate who inspires them. so in the actual caucuses you see a lessening of the electability argument and encouragement of the let's pick a candidate who can inspire me argument instead. >> hanna, the poll also looks at who democratic voters say has the best chance to defeat president trump in a general election with biden well ahead of the other candidates there at 42%. how significant is that in the big picture? >> well, i think for right now it's significant because we still have to remember that it's so early, i mean, as we inch closer and closer i know that

there is a lot of chatter, you know, in the news and everything else, but on the ground, i mean, joe biden is a familiar face, so many people feel that he's best qualified to take on president trump. but we have to look back to the top two, the first two early voting states which rashad was just mentioning, iowa and new hampshire, just a little less or about 100 days away from now and he has spent and invested significantly less in both of those states than he has in, say, south carolina where he's spending most of his resources and has a high african-american population which is critical to his candidacy. but so as we look to the first two, voters might think that he's best qualified to take on trump right now because he's mostly a known quantity right now, but as people start to get to know elizabeth warren more, of course they know bernie sanders from the last election, but also south bend mayor pete buttigieg he becomes a fresh face and a raising star in the way that elizabeth warren does and bernie sanders remains quite

popular in hp, his neighboring state and he's topped one early state poll in new hampshire that came out recently and he's doing quite well in iowa. i think it's a four-way race in those two states and of course as south carolina, nevada comes in third, which people tend to forget, as those sort of branch out we start to see a more -- a more honed in race forming. >> and, hanna, you wrote the article "biden backers say the campaign is bungling new hampshire effort." this morning the campaign is out with a memo obtained first by abc news on the final 100 day push to the new hampshire. the campaign arguing emphasizing its intent to win the state and playing up biden's durability despite president trump's attacks so does the memo have any teeth? rashad, i want to turn to you to get your last comment here. what is your take on that? >> yeah, i think new hampshire is pivotal and the biden camp, they have made a lot of mistakes there. according to people on the ground and individuals who have a significant amount of

influence, the biden campaign has not been great at communicating with individuals who are saying, hey, please, pick me, i want to be part of the biden camp. so now they're trying to increase their staff, they have nine out of their 12 senior staff members working with new hampshire now and you have a coalition being built, but it may be a little late in the game, you are right, a lot of this went to south carolina and i think that was a political strategic mistake because i think he gets south carolina easily and he has to work hard in places like new hampshire. >> 100 days is not very far away, rashad mitchy, hanna trudeau, great to have you here this turned morning. a powerful white house insider called to testimony in the impeachment inquiry tomorrow and he knows a lot about what happened. but will president trump let him? the president's answer next. rumt him? the president's answer next. mpi♪ (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7 and maintained it. oh! under 7?

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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i'm dara brown. here now is my colleague frances rivera who i hope got that extra hour of sleep this morning. >> we all did and we are milking it to get started this morning. i'm frances rivera in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it is 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west. it's day 41 of the impeachment inquiry and in the last 24 hours new developments from the white house to capitol hill. and here is a snapshot. >> nbc news confirming reports that alexander vindman a member of the national security council told congress he was instructed