that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i'm dara brown. here now is my colleague frances rivera who i hope got that extra hour of sleep this morning. >> we all did and we are milking it to get started this morning. i'm frances rivera in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it is 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west. it's day 41 of the impeachment inquiry and in the last 24 hours new developments from the white house to capitol hill. and here is a snapshot. >> nbc news confirming reports that alexander vindman a member of the national security council told congress he was instructed to keep quiet about that july

25th phone call between president trump and ukrainian president zelensky. a growing number of republican senators are considering acknowledging there was a quid pro quo on that phone call. >> house speaker nancy pelosi in a new interview saying there is no deadline to finish the investigation, telling bloomberg any case made to impeach the president, quote, has to be ironclad. >> now we are just going to continue to do a few more depositions and then move quickly to the public stage, but it's about building the strongest case we can more the public and for the senate. >> do you city point think there is enough evidence to bring forth articles of impeachment against donald trump? >> yes, i do. >> never before seen documents from special counsel robert mueller's investigation of the russian interference into the 2016 election have been released today. >> we got a new poll as we do most days of the week, it shows 49% of americans now support impeaching and removing the president. >> this is not about democrat or republican, this is not about

politics, this is about who is standing to defend the constitution of the united states of america and being abundantly clear that no one is above the law. >> the "washington post" reporting house democrats are pivoting from fact-finding to a campaign of persuasion. privately sketching out how they plan to use a series of block busting hearings with these witnesses to make the public case for trump's removal from office. >> we covered a lot yesterday, certainly going to cover a lot today. joining me to assess those new developments this morning a team of reporters and analysts. one big headline we are following this morning, new comments from president trump on the impeachment inquiry before departing for new york last night the president took questions from reporters including whether he would block white house officials from testifying before congress. >> [ inaudible question ] >> i don't know. you will have to speak to the lawyers. nancy pelosi has become unhinged, there's something wrong with her. if you look at what's happening,

if you look at the poll numbers, if you look at the poll numbers in the swing states, they're saying don't do this. don't do it. i'm fine with it. we did absolutely nothing wrong. >> nbc white house correspondent hans nichols joins us from new york city in front of trump tower. hans, there's more to what the president had to say, particularly on the possibility of hosting president zelensky at the white house. >> reporter: that's right. look, the president speaking to reporters before he came up here to new york city he took in a fight, one of these mixed martial arts fights, but what the president is suggesting is that he be open to hosting president zelensky at the white house, claimed that he was a good guy. remember, the white house has always insisted because zelensky said that he didn't feel any pressure that didn't have been a quid pro quo. it does president the president of the at the mercy of mr. zelensky because he could tell his side of the story and it could potentially change things. the president continues to

insist the transcript or the call log was perfect in his opinion and he's also optimistic that once these transcripts of the testimony, the deposition that's been taking place for the last month, once those come out that it's not that he will be exonerated but they will be good for him, have a listen to how he couched it. >> i don't know what their testimony is. i know this, i know this, the testimony has been extremely good for us, but they have to release the testimony. we've had very good testimony. [ inaudible question ] >> well, you will be seeing very soon what comes out, then you -- then you can ask the question in a different way. >> reporter: so that was a question from our own kelly o'donnell there challenging the president on calling vindman a never trumper. and the president seems to be suggesting that the testimony from vindman isn't as damaging at least as the public reporting of it is, and, remember, there have been some damaging

disclosures out of that testimony. the most recent one is that vindman was told not to discuss his serious or grave concerns about the call in the days after it and that he was somehow sequestered and locked away, this call transcript, the overall call log. president is affecting confidence, here for fight night at madison square garden. obviously there is a controversy about whether or not he received boos and cheers. in general the president likes controversy, he likes attention. remember that when they are trying to reach voters across the country they like the demographic that watches mixed martial arts fighting, this is a president that tries to broadcast on different frequencies. frances. >> we have seen also the nationals as well. hans, stick with us. i want to bring in francesca chambers, kevin cirilli. to all of you welcome and good morning. we're going to jump right into this because we are all refreshed, start with you

francesca, unpacking some of the remarks from the president. the president says that the testimony as we heard him has been very good for the white house but the white house has yet to release it. assess that level of spin. >> well, the president went on to say yesterday that he doesn't really mind if white house officials testify. so it's still an open question as to whether or not they will this week. we already know that rick perry, the energy secretary, who was called to be deposed will not testify. we're waiting to see whether or not russ vote the acting omb cheap decides to testify this week based on what the president said yesterday. of course, there is the case of john bolton as well as his former deputy, they are currently battling in court, at least kupperman is, the deputy and bolton could be added to that case to determine whether or not they will have to come forward. >> we will see. the house, they released that, what will come of it and what the president will say. kevin, the president said that you will have to talk to the

lawyers about the white house blocking people from testifying in the coming week. isn't the administration blocking pretty much everyone? >> well, i think democrats believe that. i mean, look, i mean, you've seen this play out just over the past couple days in the sense that the white house candidly really views this as nothing more than a political operation designed by democrats in order to drum up support for the progressive base, but republicans are saying, hey, bring it on. they feel it's going to help them with their base come the election. there's two quick points that i would make, just to pick up what francesca spoke about, john bolton, will he or won't he? that's what i have my eye on for this coming week ahead. secondly, when are we going to start to hear from a lot of these 2020 democratic presidential candidates who want to be campaigning in iowa and new hampshire, senator elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, cory booker, amy klobuchar, these folks will have to be back in the halls of congress dealing with the impeachment when

candidly this is crunch time for them in the early caucus states. >> questioning on that timeline and how nancy pelosi sees it. the president said look at the numbers in swing states, they're saying don't do this impeachment. is that really what polls are saying from what you understand? >> well, yes, and we see that there's enough support for the inquiry but there is not enough for impeachment yet. and that should pretty much be expected since we are a divided country. i think that we see the polls more or less reflecting where the president stands in his popularity numbers, although they tick a little lower than the impeachment inquiry, but it's now up for the house to present their case. right now people are making their decisions based on introductory statements, they have not heard the testimony of the people who are in front of the house and the committees. it will be released next week so it will be interesting to see what happens, but it is now up to nancy pelosi to make a case to the american public with

hearings, with facts and lay it all out. even they have it or they don't. now, knowing nancy pelosi and the way she plays, i don't think she would have taken the vote on thursday that she did to formally vote on the inquiry unless she really thought she had it. john bolton or not. >> and that remains to be seen in the coming week with this big week ahead. let's try to fill in the blanks here from the snippet we had a erred from the president, francesca. can you figure out what he meant when he was asked whether he regrets called admiral vindman a trevor trumper. he said you will see when it comes out. >> he thinks he's going to be vindicated by this. that's something that trump campaign officials have been telling me all week long as well. they are raising massive amounts of money off of the impeachment inquiry and they feel pretty confident that next year assuming president trump isn't removed from office by the senate that this will be something that's in their

rearview mirror and at best it gins up the base. they think this is a good thing for president trump. whether or not that turns out to be true a year out from now remains to be seen. but president trump and the campaign aren't too concerned about this. >> we're seeing at all their sporting events, he went to the nationals game, clearly booed there, last night in new york city the ufc event. mixed reaction, not sure if it's boos or cheers, protesters were outside the venue. when is he all of a sudden showing up at their public sporting events? >> look, i think that's a really good illustration in terms of really the thinking right now of where senior republicans are as well as president trump because this isn't a water cooler conversation about whether or not the president got booed. this is impeachment. i mean, this is incredibly serious and as susan correctly pointed out either speaker pelosi has the goods or she doesn't. as these cases become more public, as she cases become more transparent then it's really

going to be up to quite frankly less so democrats, more so moderate republicans, more so republicans who are up to in key congressional districts in suburbs all around the country to see whether or not they are going to play ball with democrats or hold firm. i interviewed riggleman, representing virginia, he was also a former foreign intelligence officer. he told me based upon everything that he has seen, everything that he has heard, the transcript and whatnot, he doesn't feel that democrats have the goods on this. those are the kind of republicans that democrats are going to need and right now based upon my reporting, frances, i just don't see those republicans switching over. >> that's the thing, are they going to be on the same page when it comes to this, the president kind of touched on that last night. let's play it. susan, i want to talk to you about that on the other side. >> everybody knows it. the republicans have never been

this unified. i'm at the highest level i have ever been at, but the republicans have never been this unified and this whole impeachment scam, that's exactly what it is, it's a scam. >> all right. so we heard from kevin and who he has spoken with as well. susan, what's your assessment, have republicans never been this unified? >> not exactly. especially if you listen to them behind closed doors. i mean, the fact is that the republicans for right now -- it was not a bipartisan vote in the sense of no republican voted for the impeachment inquiry in the house, but there was no reason to on a procedure vote to just get beaten up for a month or six weeks by the president. let's see what happens, again, the case has to fold out. the president can say whatever he wants, it does not make it true. he calls lieutenant colonel a never trumper. that means in trump's mind you just don't agree with trump and if you don't agree with trump you are human scum. so, you know, i don't mind being

judged by my enemies, if you will, if he wants to call me human scum that's just fine. >> before we let hans go, talk quickly about these stories of people cutting through the new border wall the president responded to that. let's take a quick listen. >> all right. any sense of how much of a problem that is, hans? >> reporter: the with, the president in that sound bite that we didn't have ready was basically saying he hadn't heard of these reports. you know, the president has talked about making the wall impenetrable, talking about adding all kinds of different features to it to make it more difficult. what we're seeing with these reports that they're cutting through the walls with power sauce, electric saws, bigger walls lead -- and bigger fences lead to bigger ladders. now, the president may cease upon this as an opportunity to have more funding, more border patrol agents. it's clear that he sees that his path to the reelection running along the border, he was out there in san diego about six, seven weeks ago talking about it

and viewing it. anytime the president can talk about the border and talk about his wall he will use that opportunity. regardless of the technical aspects of -- and how secure the actual wall it, this is a subject the president likes to focus on. >> hans nichols, we will cut you loose, francesca, kevin and susan, you will stick with me. thank you, hans. still to come, one year to go until election day, a wide ranging poll on the 2020 race is out. we will talk about the biggest take a ways next. we will talk about the biggest take a ways next d less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair.com

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another big headline we are following this morning, new polling on the 2020 race one year out from the general election. a "washington post" abc news poll finds the race for the democratic nomination is both competitive and fluid. a trio of former vice president joe biden, senator bernie sande sanders, senator elizabeth warren leading the pack along with pete buttigieg. francesca, your big take away from those numbers? >> harris, that's the one i'm looking at now and whether or not she's able to make a come back. she was so hot over the summer and she has just been fault ring and now we know that she's cutting staff in new hampshire and putting everything all in in iowa and it's still not seeming to make a difference, not just in the national poll but in the iowa polls as well. she's not even breaking into the top three. then also pete buttigieg, right,

he is the one who showed that it can make a difference if you do really well in the debates. he is the one who is on fire moving into that area where joe biden had been dominating in the center and he's now leaving some room for the south bend, indiana, mayor. >> where does that leave the president, kevin, good or bad news for him? >> well, i don't know -- i think it's too early to tell in terms of where it lands president trump, but i'm obsessed with these poll numbers and i think francesca and i as political junkies we crunch them and are talking about them offline. pete buttigieg went up against beto o'rourke and absolutely won. pete buttigieg has a ton of cash on hand, has continued to try to build momentum particularly in iowa, but i also am looking at senators elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. elizabeth warren had her time in the sun, so to speak, in the past couple of weeks, precisely as she is now seen largely as a front runner of sorts, and she's still been able to maintain high poll numbers.

now, she just released her medicare for all plan on friday, we don't have post polling numbers on that, we will have to see, but bernie sanders everyone has counted him out but he still consistently is in the top three and that's a really interesting affair to monitor because a lot of his supporters it's just assumed that they would go to elizabeth warren, but if you break it down they're also potential biden voters and quite frankly the aoc squad endorsements that only helped fuel him even further as well. >> susan, how do you see the numbers? >> i think it's interesting. polls are in the eye of the beholder. it's a snapshot, you can glean whatever you want from them if you look at it through a certain way and tilt your head. at the end of the day what i look at in addition to the poll numbers is who has money on hand. bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and pete buttigieg. pete buttigieg has been expanding his iowa operation tremendously. he has enough money to do it and keep on going.

bernie sanders is doing really well, one of the things that's happening him is the younger vote. if those younger voters see pete buttigieg as a viable option does that start to change, it's quite possible. so it is fluid, but one of the things that all three of us have just mentioned -- or have not mentioned is joe biden. i think we see him, you know, he hasn't fallen completely down yet, but if he does i don't know if he can get up from it. >> we will see if that makes a difference between the next debate that we're hosting on november 20th. now to two new wrinkles in the battle over the president's taxes. first, a new report by nbc news looks at the president's coast to coast legal battles in an effort to keep his financial footprints hidden. it outlines the cases between the president and the manhattan district attorney, the state of california and the house oversight and ways and means committees. this second the president's change of residency from new york state to florida. joining me to explain whether these intersect at all is msnbc

legal contributor katie phang and glenn kirschner. let's jump into it. katie, starting with you because you are a floridians. is this a good legal tactic? does this help him avoid providing his new york tax returns? >> frances, we have to shortage of florida man and pay patiently trump is about to become the consummate florida man. we are a debtor friendly state, no state income tax, no estate taxes, we are dead judgment debtor friendly. if there was the fraud capital of the united states it is florida. it's no big surprise that donald trump wants to come here but he does have a problem. just because you move to florida does not cut off at the knees the current litigation that he has in new york, that he has over in california, that he has in d.c., that he has the emolument clause litigation, but fundamentally the move to florida does signify that trump is trying to flee so what he considers to be one of his strongest support bases.

florida has been a very vocal supporter of donald trump, the voters have come out in droves when he has had his rallies down here. so it is not a surprise, but legally speaking, you know, we do have pretty decent laws down here as well, so if he does things when he is down here that he does not escape liability just because he decided to change his domicile to florida. >> i want to jump into those laws in florida, specifically, in a second, but i want to give glenn a chance in talking about the president's legal team whos had a argued authorities cannot investigate a sitting president for anything, they always use that example including shooting somebody on fifth avenue. in all the book learning do you see any way that that argument is backed by the courts? >> no, and i think when these cases make their way through the courts these positions are going to be exposed as the sort of folly that they are, but, frances, if we go back to the basics let's remember on the campaign trail donald trump told us over and over again i want to release my tax returns as soon

as i'm no longer under audit. and now fast forward. where are we? his lawyers are waging a scorched earth effort to make sure nobody ever sees his tax returns. you know, donald trump really every day exposes himself for the used car salesman that he is where he's got a potential buyer of a used car and he's talking about the shiny wax job and the beautiful leather seats and the brand-new tires and the buyer just wants to look under the hood and he keeps preventing that. when the buyer finally looks under the hood there is no engine. donald trump is all wax job and no engine, and when we get to see his tax returns, and we will, i think they're going to be pretty spectacular. >> glenn, in your works wax jobs. now in florida as we jump back to that. katie, you know about this, you've been from florida, new york, back to florida being a resident there. jumping into florida law, what does it say about establishing

residency there if the bulk of your assets are in new york. >> that's a really interesting question, frances, because you have to do six months and a day to be able to be a florida resident. we know that trump loves to come to mar-a-lago so i think the actual physical presence issue could be satisfied but you do not escape the tax consequences if you have assets that are located in places like new york and otherwise. when it comes to the actual legal exposure that trump has currently, the filing of the returns and the way that they're done not only implicates state laws but they also implicate federal statutes. so just because you move down to florida and because you did something a while ago doesn't mean that you get to hit the reset button and that is exactly what cuomo is saying. you can go where you want to go, in fact, he said florida, good riddance from new york, welcome to the disaster that trump s but again, we do have the same strict laws that do apply to candor and truth. because because you live in another state doesn't mean that you can't and don't have to tell the truth when you file your tax returns. >> glenn, quickly, this is the

thing, people are doing that, but when you are the president of the united states, you know, how do you see it? >> yeah, i think donald trump can run but he can't hide as katie says. yes, there are differences in the laws from state to state with regard to some of the protections that are given to debtors or skoef laws, but trump will be held accountable at the end of the day. i do think once some of these tax cases move through the system like the one that's pending in d.c. federal court, judge trevor mcfadden is presiding, that's the one where chairman neal of the house ways and means committee has used the law to demand trump's tax returns and there is no legal wiggle room there. unfortunately judge mcfadden has refused to expedite it in accordance with the house request. he has slow tracked it for reasons that i don't quite understand. we are at about six months and counting. eventually that will work its way through the system. trump will lose. as i said, the american people will see his tax returns.

>> as you put it, wax on, wax off. as you referred to earlier. glenn kirschner and katie phang, thank you both. house speaker nancy pelosi is giving us an indication of when a vote on impeachment will happen, but do they have enough testimony already? two leading democrats tell us next. ari melber here, we saw a historic shift in the impeachment probe this week, the house voting on the rules, a big victory for house speaker pelosi. a lot to get into. tonight we have a new special looking at what to expect with public testimony, whether republicans will break from trump. former lawmakers with that rare thing, impeachment experience, a reporter with new details about giuliani's pro bono work and why it's a problem. i hope you can check it out. it's impeachment, white house in crisis, tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. use in crisis, tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern.

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don't want this fire getting out of our containment lines. >> crews are looking at power lines as a possible source of the flames. a washington, d.c. court has dropped charges against jane fonda after she was arrested during a climate change demonstration on capitol hill and spent a night in jail. it is the fourth arrest in the last month for the 81-year-old actress. she says she plans to continue the protests through january. another horse has died at a big racetrack in california. it's the 37th horse death at santa anita park since last december. this one happened during the annual breeders' cup races that attracts horses from around the country and around the world. new developments in the impeachment investigation as two house democrats discuss their views on the evidence so far. >> do you at this point think there is enough evidence to bring forth articles of impeachment against donald trump? >> yes, i do. and actually i thought there was back in the mueller testimony. >> do you think you have heard right now enough to impeach this

president? >> well, i do. now we are just going to continue to do a few more depositions and then move quickly to the public stage, but it's about building the strongest case we can for the public and for the senate. >> joining me now is bishop garrison co-founder and of the of the joseph rainy center for public center and susan del percio. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> as we get started with you, bishop, are those comments we just heard from congressman john gar mendy and gina titus reflective of where most house democrats are at? >> i don't believe anyone has truly made up their mind at this point. what i think you are seeing is a discussion about the process. this is an impeachment process. we began with this inquiry we are looking into -- i say the universal we -- the house speaker is looking into what actually transpired. we are having more and more testimony come out, we're having more individuals say that there was potentially evidence of a

quid pro quo situation with regard to ukraine -- with regard to ukraine, excuse me. so you're going to have these types of discussions coming out as more evidence presents itself, you're going to see more people make a determination based off of that. again, this is all a part of the process. this is not some partisan witch-hunt. >> so the process here, and we saw that vote last week, but, susan, republicans are already claiming that the process is fixed. how is that going to be interpreted by them? >> well, it's going into a new phase starting next week. we believe we will see some of the testimony from behind closed door made public, we're going to hear hearings, public hearings the week after next, but it's important to remember that there is a case to be laid out and it's frustrating i think for a lot of americans because they hear democrats saying, yes, i already think he should be impeached, which is not necessarily wrong because the president has already said it's okay to ask foreign governments to assist in u.s. elections.

that's against the law. that's not supposed to happen. with trump what he basically did is seek to have ukraine meddle in the 2020 election. i think that's the case that needs to be laid out in such a way. the quid pro quo there has been a lot of talk about it, that's something that the public is already starting to tune out. but when you say that the president was seeking to meddle in the 2020 elections by holding aid over ukraine so they would find dirt on his opponent, i think that's a very clear cut argument that can be made through public testimony. >> when i spoke with you earlier, susan, you had said you were confident that house speaker nancy pelosi definitely thought that there was enough there to move forward with that. i want to ask you about that, bishop, because she is out with a new letter to house democrats talking largely about their legislative efforts, but here is what she said about the polling on impeachment, she said, quote, on the inquiry the polling was shifted to 59-34 opposed to

impeachment when the inquiry was officially announced to 49-47 not only for impeachment but also removal from office. where do you imagine she wants to get those numbers before she shoet on impeachment? >> well, i think she wants to have the best possible outcomes available and the only way you are going to do that is to continue to provide the evidence necessary to really show individuals what happened with regard to these actions. just as susan said, i can't echo it enough, this is about what the president engaged in, the type of actions he engaged in with a foreign ally attempting to use leverage in terms of military aid for personal political gain for meddling in the 2020 election. the more speaker pelosi is able to demonstrate that discussion with the american people, their representatives are going to look at these numbers, they are going to fall in line and they are going to be much more inclined to support this overall effort. >> i want to talk with susan and

ask her about the president and claims that the republicans are unified, but you've got this "politico" article headline that trump lures gop senators on impeachment with cold cash. it talks about how the president can direct fundraising for those up for reelection. we know, susan, under regular normal circumstances that's pretty common, we know very well these are not regular normal circumstances. in this case can the president separate himself from the appearance that this could influence the vote on the impeachment trial, you know, buying the vote? >> no, i mean, the president's transaction we know that. republicans they don't be lucy with the football. they know that president trump he will say one thing and do another thing. he is saying that he will provide money and fundraising to candidates, but if something turns and he needs the money for himself, the rnc will be directed to give it to donald trump, not to other republicans. donald trump is only in this for himself, he can try and say

whatever he wants, but we always know his tactics. he denies, he delays and he reflects. this is almost a combination of all of them. >> let's chew more on these numbers, especially a new one from the associated press that found a majority of americans think the house is acting mainly on a political motivation to challenge trump's presidency, that's at 53%. 43% think the house is acting more in its good faith on its responsibility to investigate the executive branch. bishop, why do you think these numbers aren't closer to views on impeachment and removal and where they are at and how much concern should there be from the democrats? >> i think the democrats should continue to focus on this process. we've viewed this impeachment process in the past in history with president nixon and we know that he was -- remained wildly popular. we know that voters at that time had issues with what was happening with the process, but ultimately it is upon our elected representatives to demonstrate -- to demonstrate a reason, an argument as to why

the president's actions were nefarious, were criminal, fell within the guidelines of misdemeanors and high crimes. i think there should be more of a focus on whether or not this constitutional process has shown any evidence of the president's criminal activity versus being purely focused on polling numbers. polls change from day to day, from week to week, but the process does not and they need to continue down the road with this legal process. >> but just one quick thing on that, frances. >> yes. >> i understand what you're saying about legal and not but let's not forget this is a political process so it's not uncommon to have the public think of it as a political process. >> absolutely. and i'm not saying they shouldn't look at this numbers at all, but it should not be their main focus. their main focus should be the truth. it should be trying to find out -- >> agreed. >> -- whether or not the president had some type of nefarious criminal activity. >> we will leave it at that. thank you. it is the list of who is slated to speak this coming week

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democratic member of the foreign affairs committee, one of the three committees leading the impeachment inquiry. congressman, always good to have you with me as we dive into a whole lot before another week here. so we've got these names here, we have john eisenberg who is expected to testify, rick perry says he won't, the big name john bolton we see him there on the screen, whether he will be subpoenaed and show up, that's a question as well. who are you looking at most and what are you expecting to hear? >> mr. perry, mr. bolton of course are very important, but all of the witnesses are important. what we're trying to do is get the facts so that we can bring them out to the american people. thus far all you have to do is look at the opening statements of many. the statements initially of the whistle-blower have been corroborated by almost every witness that we have talked to. so when you start talking about and looking at whether or not the president and actually his chief of staff has said it also as well as the president, whether he abused his power, whether he, you know, endangered

the international relations of our relationship with ukraine as opposed to russia by holding back that money, and violating his oath of office because of him trying to get a foreign power involved in our 2020 elections has been remarkably consistent. >> i want to ask you what the president is saying when it comes to these closed-door testimonies and get your take on t let's listen. >> i know there's testimony has been extremely good for us, but they have to release the testimony. we've had very good testimony. >> all right. what do you have to say about the president saying that the house has to release that testimony? >> he's going to get his wish. >> okay. >> soon. we are going to be in the second phase. adam schiff has already indicated that he's going to release the transcripts and we're going to hear the witnesses. i know for my part listening to those witnesses i want the american people to listen to them because if you listen to some of my republican colleagues and the president, those that

have been the most loyal patriots to america, those that have been involved in our state department or intelligence agencies, they have been very credible and it is them that's been criticizing them saying they are never trumpers. they didn't go there because they are democrats or republicans, but because they wanted to uphold our constitution. i want the american people to see and hear from them. >> i want to ask you about one of the bigger figures to testify, that's u.s. ambassador to the eu gordon sondland. since his appearance there is some other testimony that may contradict that. how do you see that? >> i just see that, again, there's remarkable consistency with reference to all of the witnesses as to what took place on that phone call and what was leading up to it, a shadow government led by giuliani under the instructions of the president of the united states. remarkable consistency. without me going into the substance, that's what i think that the american people will see when the transcripts are released and the witnesses are

heard. >> when will that happen? what's your timeline? when can we expect to see that? >> i think that we're moving rapidly toward that now. people forget that, you know, we've been trying to get all of the witnesses in. the only one person that's been trying to restrict witnesses, that's the president of the united states. >> are you going to call back witnesses that already testified? >> some, i think you need to hear. >> who specifically? >> i think when you talk about ambassador taylor, fro ex- >> explosive, yeah. >> mr. vindman, he is important. and i think sondland should be you called back also. there are a number of witnesses that i think are important for the public to hear. >> you expect them to call them back so that the public will see and hear from them directly. >> and i would hope that the president -- he can't have it both ways. he's trying to hide behind the fact that he -- he wants witnesses, but then he wants executive privileges. so if he wants his witnesses to testify -- he is the one that's blocking witnesses. >> do you think at this point that there is enough evidence to move forward with articles of impeachment? >> i think that there has been

consistency with respect to whether or not that the president has violated his oath of office, whether or not he has invoked the constitution and whether or not he has abused his power. i think there has been consistent evidence in that regard and we will continue to move forward. >> i want to ask you, sir, about this reporting from "politico" that says the president is now rewarding republican senators by tapping his fundraising network for members facing tough reelection bid. the report goes on to say trump is exerting leverage over a group he badly needs in his corner with his impeachment trial likely coming to the senate. how does your caucus view that and is there any action being taken? >> isn't that consistent with who this man is, trying to buy people off, he can abuse people, he can violate the constitution, he is use threatening individuals and that will get him his way. it's time for that to stop. that's who this guy is and we can't as people of the united states congress allow a president to continue.

you know, you don't take an oath of office to the president, you take it to the constitution, to the country. he's saying, oh, never trumper. he's saying i want you to be with me. i remind folks and i tell some of his closest can have dents, the only ones who went to jail under nixon were the people. nixon didn't go. here is a guy that will throw you under the bus as sure as you go on when it involves him. it is who he is. i'm a new yorker, i've seen it happen before. that's who the essence of this guy is. >> you are a new yorker and now he is no longer your neighbor now that he is moving to florida and making that his permanent residence there. >> i'm with my governor. >> we know what he said, good riddance. he didn't pay taxes here anyway is what the governor said. congressman meeks, always a pleasure to have you with me. democratic candidates racing to lock up crucial territory 100 days before a major primary. who is polling high and who is cutting back in the granite state. h and who is cutting back in the granite state.

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it is a year to go until the 2020 presidential election and 100 days until the new hampshire primary. new members show where things stand in the crucial primary state. two neighbors at the state

senator bernie sanders and elizabeth warren out in front, followed close bibi joe biden and mayor pete pete buttigieg. he's been campaigning a lot in the state recently. so how crucial is winning new hampshire for senator sanders? >> the stakes are high here in nasp nasp for senator sanders. given his 60% victory last time, they said they are not taking anything for granted. sanders, during his first last week, touted an aggressive campaign. they now have 90 staffers across 13 field offices, meaning they have the largest ground presence which they will need if they are going to mount a serious

challenge to senator warren and actual say gabbard and andrew yang who pulled support here. >> on the other side, you have kamala harris winding down campaign efforts there. s beefing up in iowa in what does that signal? >> harris said she's going all in on iowa. now she is pulling out of new hampshire, sizably. she has laid off her entire field staff here and closed down three field offices. the campaign is still operating out of the manchester headquarte headquarters. it's a scaled back operation. harris has only visited new hampshire five times since announcing it held 16 events. she has drawn big crowds here. she has mott spent as much time as other leading candidates. >> i remember her on fire at the first debate. here she is pulling out of nasp

nam li new hampshire like that. john bolton testifying this week on capitol hill. that's ahead on "up". on capitol that's ahead on "up"

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president trump is waking up in new york city this morning after a late night out at the ultimate fighting championship, a mixed martial arts bout he attended with some of his closest allies in congress. the president was greeted by a mix of boos and cheers as he took his seat. it's something the president has tweeted about. expert quoted that piece is going join us this morning. new information on what americans think about the ongoing impeachment investigation as another busy week of closed door depositions is slated to begin. the latest polling will tell us where the democratic candidates stand with the new hampshire primary as the democratic field gets smaller. up with me is clint watts, former fbi special agent, now msnbc analyst. professor at nyu law school,