♪ good evening, everyone. welcome to "kasie dc." i'm ayman mohyeldin. tonight one year until election day, believe it or not, brand-new nbc news polling the president in as precarious as a position as he will ever be. as most of the whistle-blower's claims have been corroborated. and the president makes threats against that person and a key witness from the white house south lawn.

but first there is a lot on the radar tonight as we hurdle towards impeachment. a deeply divided congress trying to represent a deeply divided nation. the brand-new nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows that nearly half of americans believe the president should be impeached and removed from office. 46% say now. just a month ago, those numbers were essentially flipped. house speaker nancy pelosi expects public impeachment hearings to begin this month. the speaker was once as reluctant as anyone to go down this road. here she is. last night in maryland with elijah cummings' window in attendance. >> the fact is that there is an assault on our democracy coming right out of the white house. [ applause ] and we cannot let it pass. richard nixon was engaged or participated in a break-in of

the democratic national committee. and then in a cover-up of it. for that, he had to resign as president of the united states. what nixon did pales in comparison to what we are fronted with now of the actions of donald trump. [ applause ] >> now there is more closed-door testimony expected this week with rick perry, the outgoing energy secretary. are reverberating again. buzz feed news publishing reams of so-called 302 reports, summaries of federal officials and their interviews. included among them rick gates. he was talking about that it was ukraine, not russia that hacked the server in the 2016 election. we have brand-new reporting about efforts by lawmakers

coordinating with rudy giuliani to investigate burisma and the bidens. and then there is the 2020 race itself with beto o'rourke's exit, what remains of the 2020 democratic field has been scrapping all weekend in iowa over how best to overhaul american health care. obamacare enrollment has just reopened. we are going to talk with one of its architects. and as elizabeth warren puts meat on the bone of her plan for medicare for all. by the way with only a handful of legislative days left, a shutdown looms on the horizon once again. and on tuesday we may get some new insight on how american voters feel with the governor's races and downed ballot contests in virginia, mississippi, kentucky, and much more all playing out. the "associated press" ties in all together this way. this much seems certain. the nation will plunge into the election as deeply divided as it has been politically in more than half a century when cities were in flames with protests over war and civil rights.

a very optimistic picture for us to start this conversation. with me tonight "new york times" editorial board member and msnbc contributor mara gay, msnbc contributor mike barnicle is in the house and beth fuhy here on set. david ruecker joins us also. let me dip into your historical perspective if i can. the country as divided as it has ever been going into an election season. impeachment is ramping up. how do you explain how quickly the nation has pivoted from one point saying no to impeachment, no to removing the president to now this gap narrowing so quickly in a month. >> in terms of historical perspective, i could offer a bit, maybe. the a.p.'s lead comparing the events and the conditions of this country to 1968, no way. >> okay.

>> i mean, two assassinations, an average of 230 young men being killed every week in vietnam to today. pump the brakes a little. as far as impeachment, people catching onto it, i don't think -- i think people are looking at it as trump rather than impeachment, i am tired of him, i am sick of him, get him out of here. the facts of impeachment, i think people are going to be slow to come to it. >> to that point, beth, one of the political calculations has been where nancy pelosi has been. now you've got the ukraine thing being front and center really driving this. from a political perspective, what has changed in her calculus? is it simply this incident, or has he felt public momentum? >> i think it was a combination of both. the evidence came forward in this case from the whistle-blower now corroborated by so many other officials. in fact just reading president trump's, the transcript or the

readout of his call it. >> made it quite clear that this was the direction the white house had to go. that was not so clear when she was evaluating the mueller report. and now many republicans and president trump are trying to weaponize the fact that democrats were talking about impeachment back then even before then purely as a political matter because they didn't like him, they disapproved of his behavior overall. but the evidence in the mueller report didn't rise to the level. so nancy pelosi had to put the brakes on it. but that again gives trump the excuse of saying you guys have been trying to do this to me from the beginning. nancy pelosi was not. she made it clear that unless the evidence presented itself, they would not go forward. that at least some republicans would step forward and say this is something we ought to do and we saw in the vote last week that it's as partisan as ever. no sign that that's going to change. >> you teed it up perfectly for us because i want to dig more into these polls.

you see it there on your screen. 53% of americans approve of the impeachment inquiry as we were just suggesting. that includes 89% of democrats. more than half of independents. but as beth was saying, it hasn't par layed into a strong number of republicans. only about 9% believe so. the president's approval rating remains more or less where it generally has been, 45%. his marks for his handling of the economy still among his highest. here's an interesting nugget about one of the president's closest men, rudy giuliani once polling at 84% in popularity after the september 11th attacks. he was america's mayor, after all. now polls at 24% when people are asked of their opinion of him. mara, let me get your thoughts on this. why hasn't this translated among republicans? do you think that this is purely a partisan issue of politics, or if there was substance, you would see republicans man up, if you will, and cross the line? >> well, there is certainly substance there. let's start with that.

part of what's interesting to me about these new numbers, um, are that there has been a slight shift in the mood even among republicans and independents. and i think what democratic leaders are actually looking at right now is a little bit more granular data about those swing districts. the question that i have is what does it look like, what do the polls look like in moderate democratic districts? and on those front line caucus members that pelosi talks\that's actually -- >> is it significant that to democrats did not vote with their caucus and actually oppose -- >> i don't think it's super significant to be honest. the reason it's not breaking through though to rank and file republicans is because you have a fox news and a social media apparatus that has protected the president from reality. >> okay. >> and i think frankly we have

not just a political divide in this country but also a deep cultural divide. and as long as republicans in any part of the country see the president under attack and they think of him as stand-in for themselves if they identify with him, he's just like me, they are going to feel personally attacked and they are going to double down on their support of this president. and how you get at that is as much a cultural issue as a political one. >> david, let me talk to you a little bit about the republicans in the gop and how they have positioned themselves. "the washington post" has been reporting that a growing number of senate republicans are in fact considering acknowledging that the president in fact used u.s. military aid as leverage on ukraine. unofficially, that would be a quid pro quo acknowledgment. the "post" reports in this shift in strategy to defend trump. these republicans are insisting that the president's actions was not illegal, does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense.

and during a senate republican lunch this week, apparently senator ted cruz said that a quid pro quo is not illegal unless there is corrupt intent. you have a new piece out tonight suggesting that democrats are beating republicans in what you call a testimony leak game. but even when offered the cloak of anonymity, republicans are declaring to elaborate or on the wise provide competing information that might cast doubt on the story that the democrats are trying to tell. that suggests to some republican operatives that the depositions might indeed be very damning for trump and offer little for the gop to use unless the president's allies are simply being negligent in his defense, which appears unlikely. so give us what is the thinking now inside the gop about the defense of this president? it used to be don't defend the phone call, attack the process. now it's like, eh, you know what, maybe there was a quid pro quo. but he didn't really mean to do it, it's not illegal because

nothing actually happened the aid was ultimately released. >> right. so it's been a mixture from the very beginning and we've seen a little bit of a different approach in the senate than we have seen in the house. and the senate from the beginning they have talked about being uncomfortable about what the president did. and they said, you know, i wouldn't have done it, one republican senator i spoke to said i wouldn't have done things that way. some conceded that it was a bit unseemly. but they've been pretty unanimous from the beginning that they didn't believe that it rose to the level of impeachment or ultimately was that big of a deal. it was sort of a, hey, trump does this all the time. he doesn't always know what he's doing. maybe he does know what he's doing. but he's just not a normal politician. and that would make it to me not very surprising if they decided to just throw their hands up and say, sure, a quid pro quo, why not, it's not impeachable, that's just how trump does business. in the house we have seen a much bigger focus on what they believe and say is a faulty,

unfair process that doesn't give them full participation rights to defend the president and make their case, and it's not fair to the president from a legal and fairness perspective. what i found very interesting as these secret or closed-door hearings have gone on, republicans have emerged from the skiff, from the secure room where the hearings are happening, and they have said, look, democrats are leaking this and that, which they are, none of it really looks very good for the president, much of it looks pretty bad. but they have said you just wait until you see the transcript. we are not allowed to tell you what's really going on. when you see the transcripts, you are going to have a much fuller picture of all of this, and things are going to be a whole heck of a lot different. there is nothing stopping them from leaking. yes, there are rules against leaking. it's not stopping the democrats. nobody would know which republican was doing it. they could do it. i have talked to democrats about this, and they have said, sure, when you see the transcripts you are going to see a fuller picture of this. and it's going to get worse for the president.

by the way we are going to see the transcript sometime in the next week or so. and i guess all of this is going to be put to the test. but because of how this has functioned, when you look at those impeachment numbers, i think a lot of that is most of the information coming out has made it appear as though this impeachment inquiry is warranted, and republicans keep saying it's not fair because people don't actually understand what's going on. so i guess we will find out, but the democrats have been doing a much better job at this. if republicans -- >> at least of shaping the narrative, right? >> yeah. they are not doing a very good job. >> mike, the president has been prodding republicans to get tougher in fighting impeachment. i have a two-parter for you. one, do you think he really relishes being in this political dog fight? does he want impeachment because he has a strong sense that he will be acquitted in the senate, and that could give him a political movement going into -- political push going into 2020? >> i think he relishes any time his name is mentioned anywhere. that's who he is.

>> for good or bad. >> the facts are that by his own admission pretty much, the president of the united states has already committed an impeachable offense. okay? that's out there. the second element of it is the republican defense, you know, well, he didn't follow it through. it was never, you know, fulfilled. you can go to any court, criminal court in any state in this union and look at the docket. there will be attempted murder charges, attempted larceny charges. it's the attempt, not the fulfillment of the attempt. and the republicans apparently have forgotten that history is a constant stenographer. it never stops recording what people do in public life, what they vote, what they say. they are going to have to live with this for a very long -- >> so how do you think history will judge these republicans? >> weak, cowardly, blind, to the reality of what this man and what this administration has done to this country already.

he's already created a rupture in this country. he wakes up every day, he's the only president in the united states who takes the field every day with the intent to divide the country. every day. >> we have a lot more to break down in this hour. david, thank you so much for your reporting. we are just getting started tonight. when we return, a live interview with democratic congressman ami bera on the next public phase of the impeachment inquiry as the whistle-blower offers to answer questions by republican law makes in writing. and later the president abandons new york as he declares residency in the 6th borough. that is palm beach in florida. he starts spreading the news, this by a producer, katie. >> start spreading the news. i am leaving today. i want to be part of new york. i want to wake up to the city that never sleeps. king of the hill. if i can make it there, i will make it anywhere.

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president trump spent the weekend targeting the whistle-blower whose information propelled the start of the impeachment inquiry. the president tried to undermine them both in tweets and in person on the white house south lawn. >> certain of the media released information about a man that they said was the

whistle-blower. i don't know if that's true or not. but what they said is he's an obama person. he was like a big anti-trump person, hated trump, and they said terrible things. the whistle-blower gave a very inaccurate report about my phone call. my phone call was perfecto. >> that's not correct. in fact important to note that the president offered no evidence whatsoever to back up any of those claims the whistle-blower's attorney says that the legal team offered intelligence commit republicans the opportunity to ask their client written questions under oath. the offer reportedly made to congressman devin nunes appeared to take kevin mccarthy by surprise. >> i have never received that offer -- >> it was submitted to devin nunes who is the ranking member on house intelligence. >> well, when was it submitted to him? >> last night.

>> well, devin's in california so let's see how they submit -- >> joining me now is democratic congressman ami bera from the state of california. allowing him access to those closed-door impeachment hearings, a lot of important information to get to, sir. thank you very much for joining us tonight. let me first begin with what the president did today, both publicly as well as on social media. what do you make of his efforts to try and out the whistle-blower? >> look, the whistle-blower did exactly what he's supposed to do and exactly what the law is designed to do. someone saw something that was really concerning. they corroborated that with multiple other folks and submitted a report to the inspector general of the intelligence community. that is a trump appointee. that inspector general found the allegations credible and urgent and submitted that up to the acting director of national intelligence, another trump appointee. so, that acting director of

national intelligence didn't take it the way he was supposed to. he took it to the white house. fortunately it came out and the chair of the house intelligence adam schiff was able to get him to come testify. that acting director of national intelligence, a trump appointee said the allegations were credible. >> but what do you make of the president trying to out him saying where is the whistle-blower, questioning his background, trying to get him to come forward, if you will, by pressuring him publicly in some of those comments? >> look, i think he is just trying to muddy the waters. at this point the whistle-blower is irrelevant. it's the allegations that were made and have been getting corroborated in these depositions. >> you say the whistle-blower is irrelevant. would you as a member of the foreign affairs committee want to hear from the whistle-blower? >> certainly we would want to hear what tipped him off. but we've got to protect the whistle-blower because we want patriotic individuals if they see something wrong to be willing to report that up to chain of command. >> and based on what you've heard so far in all of these

testimonies, is there enough evidence that has emerged for the president of the united states to be impeached today? >> he is certainly what's in the public domain. he has committed impeachable offenses. now i am glad that we are moving to public hearings. i am glad that the transcripts are going to be released and that the media and the public can see what we have been hearing behind closed doors. and let's see where this leads. >> so do you think it'll be inevitable that he will be impeached if you're saying he's already committed impeachable offenses? >> well, i think there is plenty of evidence that he's committed impeachable offenses. i think there is plenty of evidence in the public domain that he committed abuses of power. let's see where this leads. let's see when the public hears the testimony that we've heard. we'll see where that goes. >> let's talk a little bit about john bolton, the former national security adviser. he was called to have a deposition this week. do you expect him to show up? and if he doesn't, what should congress or what should the committees who have the power do something about it?

>> well, obviously i hope he honors a subpoena. i hope he understands that his duty is to the constitution of the united states. and if the president is innocent, you know, his deputy national security adviser ought to come forward and defend him. >> and what do you want to hear from him specifically? if you have all the information from so many of these depositions that you say has painted a picture of the president committing impeachable offenses, what would you want to learn from john bolton? >> you'd want to learn what made john bolton so concerned that he walked out of a meeting. you'd want to know what he knew. obviously i don't think john bolton agreed with the decision to withhold funding for the ukrainians. and we'd want to know what he thought of that. >> there is a report obviously that he thought this was a similar to a drug deal and he didn't want to have any part of that. do you think that would be damning as well?

>> well, we'd want to know why. if those were the words that he used, we'd want to know why he thought this was similar to a drug deal. we'd want to know why rudy giuliani was a hand grenade waiting to go off. >> are you at all concerned that some of the public support for impeachment removing the president has actually narrowed? it is flipped and it has gained traction that the president should be impeached and removed from office. but at the same time the gap between those who oppose and those who favor impeachment has narrowed. >> look, none of us takes pleasure in going through an impeachment process. but we've got to do our job as members of congress. we should find the truth. we should present the facts and then we should go through the process. if that is articles of impeachment, then that's where we end up. >> all right, congressman ami bera, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your time. when we come back the field of dreams meets with the cold reality of the campaign season. beto o'rourke out of the race.

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all right. this week we saw some 020 candidates expanding their campaigns as others scaled back or in fact shut up shop all together. on friday beto o'rourke ended his presidential run after failing to build momentum in polls and burning through money. senator kamala harris' campaign closed three new hampshire field offices and laid off the entire field organizing team in that state. this after laying off several dozen staffers from their baltimore headquarters. meanwhile, senator bernie sanders who is holding a live rally as we speak in minneapolis, you see live pictures there of the stage, expected to take that stage any minute now, announced the edition of 90 staffers and 13 field offices in new hampshire giving him the largest field presence in that state. all this led mayor pete buttigieg to say that it is getting to be a two-way race between him and elizabeth warren before walking that statement back. that comment did not sit well with much of the field including

senator kamala harris. >> it's naive for him to think that at this point the fate of this election has been determined. just look at history. you might need to review past elections to know that what's happening right now is not necessarily determinative of the outcome. >> we have shaquille brewster standing by in minneapolis with that rally with ilhan omar. but first let's bring in the panel to break all of this down for us. we were kind of talking about this before. bernie sanders getting a second wind if you like to use that expression after his heart attack scare. he had a big showing here in brooklyn, new york, or i should say queens, new york, when aoc came out and endorsed him. rashida tlaib had a rally in michigan. and now ilhan omar. what do you make of this latest push? >> i think that senator sanders has absolutely had a resurgence of excitement. the problem for all of these democrats in the field is no

matter how passionate their supporters may be, i mean, andrew yang's supporters are extremely passionate. bernie sanders especially so for sure. elizabeth warren. there seems to be at the moment a cap on the amount of support that any of these democrats have won. so the question is really who can build a broader tent? who can speak beyond their immediate base and welcome more democratic voters in? and that's what i am looking for. teed us off perfectly to talk about one of the challenges mayor pete buttigieg has had, which is to try to bring in a broader coalition, specifically trying to bring in some african-american voters. he was criticized of that. let me play you his sound byte. watch his reaction. we will get some feedback after this. >> i think the way to win black voters or any voters is to deserve to win. and my message is of making sure that this is a country where we tear down systemic racism in all of its forms because i think that threatens the entire

republic. the plan i have put down, the douglas plan, is as ambitious as the marshall plan to rebuild europe. but this time right here at home and it's for the purpose of tearing down systemic racism. >> because he's gay? >> well, that's a generational issue. i know of a lot of people my age who feel that way. but i will say this, dana. my own grandson who is 20 -- i think he is 25 years old. that guy is a big buttigieg guy. and of course he does it because he believes in the guy, not because he's gay. >> are you saying for older african-americans, it is an issue? >> yes, it is, there is no question about that. i am not going to sit here and tell you otherwise because i think everybody knows that's an issue. >> mike, that's a pretty candid moment there from representative

clyburn. do you think pete buttigieg has articulated a way to bring in some of the black voters that he says he wants? because nobody really has in the race with the exception of joe biden. >> well, mayor pete is nothing but articulate. he's articulate about everything. i think his problem with the black community with black voters is simply a lack of familiarity. that's it. i don't attribute it to his sexual preference. i don't attribute it to, you know, his policies. i think his policies are probably, they are, not probably, they are very favorable in terms of equity, pay equity, educational equity. they are very favorable. it's just a lack of familiarity. >> and, beth, what's your take in terms of his ability to broaden his base? was it naive of him to say that this race has really boiled down to him and elizabeth warren so early on when clearly you are still seeing big momentum behind people like bernie sanders? >> yeah. >> it was very arrogant of him

to make that claim 100 days out. look, i was in des moines the whole weekend. pete buttigieg's show of force was quite something. he had people coming from all over the country. i saw a hundred people from california alone sort of plotting their march through des moines. he had the parade to end all parades. he was actually holding the hand of his husband and the hand of his mother as he walk neighborhood that space. i mean, it was something that you really couldn't imagine a candidate doing, even eight years ago. here we have somebody who's clearly under facing a lot of momentum right now. he is really going all in, in iowa. he wants to do a big showing like obama did 12 years ago. he said 12 years ago there was a guy with the funny name who became the winner. so he is trying to wrap himself into that sort of obama mold. but for the fact that he does not have black support. obama even when he was running against hillary clinton and nobody really knew him very well

with the name recognition, as you said, he, by definition, was going to get some black support. nobody can say that about mayor pete buttigieg yet. that is his biggest problem. i just want to look back. actually barack obama was not doing well with black voters early on. >> no, no, i agree. but he didn't have zero. >> but i think to mike's point, you know, it takes time to earn voters' trust, but it especially takes time to earn the trust of black voters because of the history of repression. and the number one priority of black voters in this country is to beat trump. so they will be voting for whoever the democrat is. >> but getting to that point you still have a lot to go until now and becoming the nominee. can you get to becoming the nominee -- >> i think you need -- i think the democratic nomination runs directly through black american voters. but i think that it's very

short-sighted to suggest that they won't vote for a gay man. >> the interesting question is going to be the rabid following that bernie sanders has and has had for years now. if they again are disappointed that he does not become the nominee, which, to be honest, is doubtful, okay, that he's going to be the nominee. what do they do? do they walk again? do they not vote again? >> and his vote is quite young. and mayor pete is trying to make the generational claim that he should sort of be the natural inheriter of younger voters. he sort of has an older crowd if you go to his campaign event. and the young voters are very much with bernie. so they are going to be up for grabs in this primary process as well. >> speaking of bernie voters, let's cross over to shaquille brewster who can give us a pulse of, a, the potential and the momentum that is now behind senator sanders after his heart attack scare. some of these key endorsements that he is picking up from

highly popular representatives, members of the squad. how is that actually translating on the ground and in the polls? >> reporter: well, the campaign is trying to highlight that here today right now. we are still waiting for congresswoman ilhan omar and senator sanders to take the stage and address this crowd of several thousand here in minneapolis. the new power generation. >> it was another celebrity endorsement, another political endorsement for a candidate that's on the rise and trying to show his campaign with new energy. >> corporate greed has got to go! >> reporter: bernie sanders is recharged. >> and to stand up to the whole damn 1%. >> reporter: back on the trail after being sidelined by a heart attack, sanders is back in 2016 form. drawing thousands while rallying with most of the squad. alexandria ocasio-cortez, ilhan omar, and rashida tlaib.

>> we deserve bernie sanders. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: new iowa and new hampshire polling showing his support also making a comeback. on the road sanders has been more jovial. >> i have been criticized for being old. i plead guilty. i am old. >> reporter: but also more aggressive. the people of iowa, new hampshire, and america deserve a real clash of ideas. so of course i will be critical of joe when i disagree with him. joe supported the bankruptcy bill. i thought that that was a terrible bill. >> reporter: he's also become more personal, increasingly matching voters' stories with his own. >> some of my earliest memories are watching my parents fight about money. >> those arguments that took place in my house as a kid, they seared me. you had them at eight years old. so did i. and that's true all over this country. >> reporter: and much of the conversation this weekend was actually focused on senator sanders' campaign policy of

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all the way around. first time back in the big apple since he filed a declaration of domicile saying his palm beach property will, in fact, become his permanent residence. new york state democratic party and new york city council speaker chris quinn, mike barnacle. christine, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> donald trump officially declaring that he is now domiciled in florida. what do you make that as a new yorker? >> he pretends to be a bully. he's a coward. he ran out of new york because he's afraid we're going to get him on our taxes, that the law that the state senator and others are passing around capturing candidates' taxes and the governor and the great attorney general, tissh james, that we're going to get his taxes and we can still get it for the time that he lived here?

>> so it's a calculus decision not just for the weather? >> he's a wimp. and the people he was attacking, like governor cuomo, are smarter, faster, better than him. he has born here but he has never been a real new yorker when he we feeled his way out of town on thursday. >> mike what do you make of this, the president leaving new york to go to florida, saying the problems of new york, its corruption. >> can you imagine that man calling someone corrupt? i'm sorry, mike. >> that's okay. i remain stunned, stunned that no one has leaked those tax returns at some level. federal, state. i'm stunned. we leak everything in this country. >> testimonies and national security -- so why is that? >> i have no idea. but it's amazing, given the media culture that we're all a

part of. i'm amazed. >> your reaction to this news? >> i think no one is too upset here in new york. but i think that the president is extremely lucky last night that he was at the event that he was at. i don't know how many people who were at that event actually live in new york city. seemed to be a mixed reaction. god forbid he actually returned to a polling site in new york ci city, he was greeted with round boos when he voted here in 2016. again, another -- there was a washington nationals game. if he were to come to a yankees game in the bronx, imagine donald trump in the bronx. this is somebody whose ego is obviously extremely fragile. >> do you think he has any idea that rahm emmanuel's brother owns ufc? zeke emmanuel's brother owns ufc?

>> he does now. >> that's great. i didn't know that. >> beyond his decision to leave new york and get your perspective as to where his state of mind is at, impeachment unfolding, polls not going in his favor. you're seeing, you know, all the talk about the investigations picking up steam. even here in new york, as you alluded to, what do you think his state of mind is right now? >> it's not just what i think. it's been reported very frequently from sources close to him that he's coming undone. that he has kind of -- has been reported robust, ha ha about the mueller report. this is a different situation. his own words are condemnation of himself, an admittance of guilt. it's been reported as such, closed in upon. nothing is breaking his way. he went to madison square garden last night, betting a friendly

crowd. he can't even pick the right sporting event to go to. it's closing in on him. >> i asked this to mike earlier in the program. he wants the impeachment to come to him, senate to acquit him going into 2020, because then he will have been exonerated by the mueller report, in his eyes, in his eyes and then have the senate acquit him from impeachment. >> i think that's what he says. but i actually don't think -- in his true mind or when he's alone, all by himself, not looking in a mirror or whatever his true private moments are, you know, i think he knows this is bad and that he'll say he wants that to happen because it sounds strong but i think he's crumbling and we're seeing that more and more in his excessive tweeting and now eric trump really chiming in more than usual. >> it's not entirely clear to me that the traditional wisdom in the belt way that the impeachment inquiry is bad for democrats is the truth.

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welcome back to "kasie d.c.." impeachment inquiry, one in which the nation will get to watch live on television. president trump, as can you imagine, remains defiant. in tupelo, mississippi, he tried to frame the resolution, which established the ground rules for public hearings, as an attack on his supporters and the country. >> the democrats voted to potentially nullify the votes of 63 million americans, disgracing themselves and bringing shame upon the house of representatives. yesterday's vote by the radical

democrats is an attack on democracy itself. >> all right. this morning he tweeted his july 25th with the ukrainian president was, quote, totally appropriate. i say perfect. despite two witnesses coming forward last week saying that military aid was dependent upon. lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, here is the president responding to a question from kelly o'donnell. >> what evidence do you have that colonel vindman is a never trumper? >> we'll be showing that to you real soon, okay? >> more damaging testimony could be coming in the week ahead. michael ellis is scheduled to give deposition monday. colonel vindman said it was

eisenberg who determined that the contents of the president's call should be locked down in a highly classified server. while the president remains on the attack publicly in a call with house republicans a month ago, trump called impeachment a bad thing to have on your resume. business and politics reporter shelby holladay and philip rucker. on the sound bites we played there, the president testing out this narrative that it's nullifying 63 million voters. is that the strategy for the president going forward, to try to make this about essentially a process to undo 2016? >> that is very much the strategy that the president has.

here is why. he sees his argument as being more powerful if it's about more people than himself. if he can say that the democrats are trying to undo an election, if he can say that they're trying to take away the president who was elected by 63 million americans, he can tell people at rallies, as he has been doing the past few weeks, that they're coming after you, not just me as the president. they're coming after all of you and they're trying to reverse, engineer history. >> what do you think republicans will think of that strategy, shelby? do you think they'll rally behind him or is there a reluctance to embrace that narrative as you hear the representatives in the house of representatives? >> republicans are echoing trump's talking points and very much saying this would be undoing the will of the american people. they're also saying something i find very interesting, which is you're going to impeach a

president over a single phone call in which he did nothing wrong? when you step back we did a video time line on this. this is about a month's long campaign by the president and his personal attorney, rudy giuliani. giuliani's name totally gets lost in the confrontation when you talk to republicans about this. >> or his shadow foreign policy. >> this backchannel foreign policy. they have talking points for now. it remains to be seen how long those will bear out. there's also a talking point that there was no quid pro quo. read the transcript. there's no quid pro quo in there. in reality, witnesses have come forward and said there were two quid pro quos, not only the aide, but also this meeting. the ukrainian president really wanted a meeting at the white house. they never set a date but the meeting was dependent on the investigations into the bidens.

>> this is a president who goes on the attack when he feels threatened or attacked. he has attacked a lot of veterans, including john mccain. now he is attacking colonel vindman and he is also attacking the whistle-blower. is that his strategy, to personally attack these individuals so they lose credibility in the public eye? the same way he did with the mueller report? are you seeing that repeat itself a little bit? >> the president likes to create a war. this person is against me, they're a never trumper. they're associated with the democratic campaign. his supporters echo that. that resonates with them. when you're talking to president trump's strongest supporters, they can't get over the fact that they don't know who the whistle-blower is or what their motivations are. they're very much stuck on that. >> what do you make of how the democrats have handled this so far in terms of their reporting, is there any rumbling among the democrats that somehow this is

dragging on too much, that the momentum is starting to fade a little bit in the sense that the polls suggest that those that oppose impeachment and removal of the president as well as those who support impeaching the president is beginning to narrow in the month of november? >> we're not detecting in our reporting any genuine concern about a loss of momentum, but rather that's an anticipation among democrats in the next stage of this process and they feel that will politically be helpful to them and that stage is simple the public aspect of these hearings. right now, we've had all of these depositions and testimonies but they've been occurring behind closed doors and there's been aggressive news reporting about what witnesses have been telling the investigators but american people aren't seeing it on television. it's not three dimensional in that regard. they're going to be public hearings. you might see, for example,

lieutenant colonel vindman appear in his dress uniform to take questions from the panel on live television. that, according to democrats, is partly strategic from a political perspective. they think it can help shift public opinion, that if americans are watching these witnesses testify and answer questions, you know, they can have a fuller and clearer sense of what exactly trump did that, to democratic investigators, is so troubling and worthy of impeachment. >> let me read you his tweet. i'm sure you haven't had a chance to see it. at the top of the hour, the president tweeted false stories are being reported that a few republican senators are saying president trump may have done a quid pro quo. it doesn't matter. there is nothing wrong with that. it is knotted an impeachable event. perhaps so but read the transcript. there is no quid pro quo. to your point, shelby, that the president is testing a lot of

different theories out there, one in the beginning for republicans was let's attack the process, that the way this impeachment thing is unfolding is not credible. steve scalise calling it a soviet style proceeding. and then he didn't intend to break the law. he ultimately released the aid. >> that's another talking point we hear a lot about. it's becoming difficult for republicans, given the number of witnesses coming forward and testifying to what i said were two quid pro quos. not just the aid, but the white house meeting. it's getting very hard to say there was no quid pro quo. especially when you have that comment in the transcript "do me a favor." the president immediately starts talking about the 2016 election, one. investigations he wanted open and later the bidens. it's hard for republicans to say there was no quid pro quo. >> right. >> if they do ultimately acknowledge that there was, and some of them privately are, then what? that's the question they're

grappling with. the president is out there, putting pressure on him in his twitter way, going public. >> reference to an article -- >> saying this is the line. >> washington post in the segment we were talking about with david drucker. let me get your thoughts on this, philip, about the impeachment fight. it's a question i had in the last hour to some of our guests as well and whether or not your reporting corroborates this. does the president want to be acquitted by the senate? does he benefit being acquitted by the senate in a 2020 political fight in the same way he saw himself being exonerated by the mueller report? >> he certainly could benefit from that. if his options are being acquitted or convicted, clearly, he would prefer to be acquitted by the senate. he doesn't want to be impeached. he feels like that's a dirty word, as he himself has described it. it's very clear that that's the direction that the house

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increasingly, we are seeing a former soviet government taking its cues from america and, in particular, the president's personal attorney. you think that the president's allies would be keeping their heads down with rudy giuliani reportedly under investigation and, of course, his associates, lev parnas and egor fruman arrested. investigations continue not only in the u.s. but also in ukraine

where a group is working to get ukraine to investigate trump's political opponents. >> ukraine was involved in a scandal in recent years, political history, all ukrainian. most of my colleagues here pretend it doesn't exist. >> nbc news political reporter josh letterman is back from kiev and has new reporting and interviews that shows how the investigation is being stoked in ukraine's parliament. hey, josh, what did you get? >> ayman, far from being deterred by this whole impeachment circus, a group of ukrainian lawmakers is pushing for a new investigative commission, like one of those select committees in congress that they used to investigate watergate back in the day. their theory in the case is pretty close to trump's, that the ukrainian government

intervened in 2016, to help hillary clinton and hurt donald trump, by exposing dirt on paul manafort. they also want to investigate joe biden and his son, hunter. that member of parliament who is leading the push, he is a a friend of paul manafort's. he made a cameo in the mueller report when mueller discovered an op-ed defending manafort had been partially written by manafort himself, in violation of manafort's gag order. this new push in ukraine may not lead to any prosecutions per se. that may not really matter. from the impeachment depositions, trump was after some way to extract from the mueller report, by showing that democrats are being investigated for getting help from a foreign government. i want you to hear what he had to say when i asked him about that. >> we don't want to interfere

with american elections. i do sympathize with mr. trump but it doesn't mean that we have -- >> you know that all president trump wants is to be able to point to ukraine and say look, they're investigating joe biden and corruption so i don't know. you understand how just having the investigation feeds directly into the u.s. election? >> when it was against manafort it was used by democrats against trump. let's be fair here. >> reporter: the so-called black ledger, he believes, was phony. the secret papers released at the highlight of 2016 that showed manafort getting more than $12 million in off-the-book payments from the pro-russian president at the time. giuliani has been relentlessly attacking a former member of parliament and investigative journalist who revealed many of the pages of the black ledger. i spoke to him also in kiev and, ayman, he thinks this is a whole pr stunt.

>> the whole idea of this initiative -- it's not an investigation, just initiative to proceed with investigation in parliament of ukraine, is just to proceed new cards for mr. giuliani to play in america with american public opinion, american establishment saying something is going on in ukraine. it was blackmailed, as you know now. mr. zelensky was blackmailed. it was quid pro quo when military support of american government was postponed, was stopped until the ukrainian president announced investigation in favor of current american president. >> and ayman, we also learned from a former ukrainian diplomat that he's still holding meetings with giuliani. this former diplomat said he was directed by in 2016 to create an operative with dirt on paul manafort. >> absolute incredible reporting there, josh.

so many threads to pull on. let me pick up on manafort here. it's interesting that he's at the center of all of this, both trying to fuel the conspiracy theory that ukraine was behind the dnc hack but also trying to stop it. how is paul manafort featured and viewed there in ukraine at the moment? >> i've got to be honest, ayman. he is a pretty detested character in ukraine these days. ukrainians look back at the work that he did to prop up that candidate who then fled to russia. and they feel that he created detrimental. there's no love loss from those in ukraine who would like to see further dirt and negative information cast on to paul manafort. >> what's interesting in all of this, shelby, when you see how this trickled into the trump

campaign, ultimately shaped the president's views about that country as some of the reporting over the weekend suggests he has become obsessed with it, detests ukraine and his views of that country are so negative, in the trope of the mueller reports, rick gates suggests paul manafort introduced this theory that ukraine may have hacked the dnc server and trump basically runs away with it, and here we are. >> that theory may have started with manafort's associate, constantin kilimnik. we did a video timeline of all the interactions between trump and giuliani and the ukrainians last year at "the wall street journal." one comment we have is giuliani on television saying in response to a question if you're the president's personal attorney, why are you flying to ukraine and having meetings with ukrainians? he said because they had an alternative explanation that cleared my client.

i thought that was a moment of truth from giuliani. he's trying to find an alternative explanation. even though president trump was not accused of colluding with russia shall at the end of the day, he wanted to find an alternative explanation that cleared trump. >> as josh's reporting suggested that the parliament may decide to move forward with it does that, in fact, give trump a political card to play here at home, as josh was saying. you know what? it doesn't matter where the investigation goes, even if it's a substantial investigation. it is a political card that will be used in 2020? >> yes and no. i mean, it's an important point that josh brought up in his really terrific reporting from ukraine. insofar as the president will be able to go to campaign rallies over the next year and say that the bidens are under investigation, that there might be something fishy here, that ukraine is actually looking into

it, whatever that might be, that is a political win for trump but it does not get him out of this impeachment mess because his conduct on that call remains the same conduct, regardless of whether the ukrainian government at this point decides to proceed with an investigation or not. so it's not necessarily going to help trump in the impeachment proceedings but it certainly could be a talking point to his maximum benefit on the campaign trail. >> josh letterman, thank you for your excellent reporting. appreciate you sharing that with us tonight. >> i'm going to talk to congressman ro khanna as president trump criticizes california for not knowing how to handle wildfires. and dismissing elizabeth warren's medicare for all, calling it mathematical gymnastics. she had a plan for that backlash, too. >> democrats are not going to win by repeating republican talking points but if anyone

wants to defend keeping those high profits for insurance companies and those high profits for drug companies, then i think they're running in the wrong presidential primary. >> we break down warren's funding proposal and talk about the ins and outs of medicare for all. all of that, straight ahead. all of that, straight ahead. great riches will find you when liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need.

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welcome back, everyone. joining me now, congressman ro khanna of california. thank you for joining me tonight. let's begin, if i may, the timeline. nancy pelosi said on friday that public hearings would start this month. the hope is to have a vote on impeachment by the end of the year. is there a deadline in your mind, sir, where it becomes much more complicated for democrats to push forward with the inquiry, especially for those running for president? >> ayman, i hope we can have the vote before the end of the year. i expect the public hearings to last until about thanksgiving and then we should have the vote before we adjourn for the year. the evidence is overwhelming. the house will vote to impeach and then it's up to the senate

to vindicate and stand up for the constitution. >> what you and your democratic colleagues voted to pass the resolution that lays out the rules for the impeachment inquiry into president trump. you're also a member of the house oversight committee. talk to us about what is it that you want your constituents to know about this? >> the american people should know that this will be a very fair process, transparent process and the president is going to have more rights than either president nixon or president clinton had. he will have lawyers present who can cross examine witnesses. he will be able to ask questions. it's going to be an orderly process. there will be a few witnesses and it's going to focus on the simple fact that the president has already admitted, that he abused his office by pressuring zelensky to investigate his political rival, joe biden, and he when would aid if zelensky

didn't investigate his political rival. >> i want to play for you a sound bite. you actually made this prediction. watch. >> here is what makes it different. this is forward looking. this is something that he is trying to do for the 2020 election. we're no longer relitigating the past. i think that's why many democrats, even those who were reluctant about impeachment, are much more concerned. >> your prediction, sir, was, in fact, true. there was a shift of reluctant democrats who are now more concerned. you can also argue that that was echoed among the american public at large as we see growing appetite for this impeachment inquiry to move forward. talk me through what you've seen since you made that prediction six weeks ago. >> i'm glad the clip was one where i was right. i'm sure there are plenty where i was wrong. the point is that many democrats believe that this is about our national security. this is about making sure that

no president can threaten a foreign leader and say investigate my political rival or i'm not going to give you aid. it's so blatant. it's so obvious that we don't want a president of the united states using the levers of power to benefit himself. and that's why this has unified all democrats, moderates, progressives, liberals all believe we have a duty to uphold the constitution. >> let me get your reaction to president trump going after the whistle-blower himself. there was news involving the whistle-blower today. on one hand you have his legal team saying, i should say his or her legal team saying that the whistle-blower would be willing to answer republican questions in writing under oath. at the same time, you have the president attacking the whistle-blower, attacking lieutenant colonel vindman, saying where is the whistle-blower and saying lieutenant colonel vindman, who has now become central in all this, is a never-trumper.

what do you make on these attacks of individuals by the commander in chief? >> it's very sad. mr. vindman was awarded the purple heart. he is someone who has served our nation. he's just telling the truth as he understands it. to be attacked by the most powerful person in the world is unconscionable. the whistle-blower, same thing. he is the one who is just sharing facts. the reality is, the whistle-blower isn't even central to the case. the president has gone on national television and basically admitted that he asked for other countries to investigate joe biden. they basically admitted that he was willing to withhold this aid to get the investigation. their defense is that this is constitutional, that the president should have absolute power to be able to conduct foreign policy in whatever way they see fit. and i just don't have that view of the constitution. i believe we live in a republic where the president's powers are limited.

he's not a monarch. he's not a king. that's what this boils council to. >> if i can switch categories and ask about your state of california that's been reeling with all the wildfires that have taken place out there. the president has been criticizing governor gavin newsom. let me play you these sound bites about what the governor has said about the governor. >> i know gavin is committed, we're all committed, i'm committed to make sure we get all of this cleaned out and protected. i was with the president of finland and he said we have a much different -- we're a forest nation. he called it a forest nation. and they spent a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things. they don't have any problems. the governor doesn't know. he's like a child. he doesn't know what he's doing. i've been telling him this for two years. they've got to take care of it. every year it's always california. it's rarely somebody else or some place else.

>> the first clip, he was praising the governor, one year ago. the one he referenced the governor as a child, saying he has been telling him to clean it up for two years, that was today. what was your reaction to the president talking about the wildfires in your state? >> there are people in my state whose homes are burning, people without power, hospitals without power. it is outrageous that the president of the united states, instead of comforting those individuals, instead of offering relief to those individuals is playing politics and attacking the governor. here is the facts, the president isn't aware of what's causing the fires. the fires aren't being caused by forest fires. they're fires in vegetation and because power lines have fallen and toss baes of this federal government systematic underinvestment in the smart grid under investment and forest management. it's sad that we have a president of the united states who can't even come together in

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children were, quote, encouraged to build the wall with their own personalized bricks. let me break this down with you, shelby, first of all, about where this campaign promise stands for the president. could this be a liability for him in 2020? it was such a cornerstone of the race in 2016, mexico was going to pay for the wall. that's not true. the wall was supposed to be impenetrable. it seems now that's also not true. >> 2018 when the president lost the house, republicans no longer controlled the house, it became harder to build the wall. look at these month-to-month stories. 5 hu00 acres of public land wile used to build the wall. i don't think it will be the kind of wall president trump promised in terms of the quality or the full extent of the wall. i don't know if that will be a liability, though. build the wall is a chant his

supporters love. when he says it, they're not bothered whether or not he has built more miles of wall. >> phil, final thought, are his voters going to care that this wall was not built and mexico did not pay for it? >> they're not going to care, i don't think, about who pays for it. they will care that it's built. and there are new pieces of construction going up. i was with the president a month or two ago when he toured one such site in san diego and was bragging, actually, about how impenetrable it was. it was so tall. he bragged about the rebar and concrete inside and how nobody could cut through it, of course, even with a blow torch. of course, the story this weekend shows it's quite easy to cut through that wall for the smugglers. that's a problem that the president will surely want to address. >> a $100 saw, i believe, is what it said. philip rucker, shelby, thank you for joining us. now that elizabeth warren

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the plan costs $34 trillion overall. more than $20 trillion will be new spending over the next decade. a combination of employer contributions, taxes on financial firms and large corporations and taxes on the top 1% would pay for her plan. the campaign says the plan itself would not raise taxes on the middle class. joining me now to break it all down, julie rovner for kaiser health news and ezekiel emmanuel of the university of pennsylvania and one of the architects of the affordable care act in the obama administration. thank you both for being here. ezekiel, if i can begin with you. >> sure. >> let's start with the biggest question here. is warren's plan financially plausible and can the united states actually afford it? >> well, financially plausible, i mean, as her comments point

out, we're going to spend $52 trillion over the next ten years on health care, given the current system. that's the envelope you have to think about. and her plan comes in pretty close to the same amount through a variety of mechanisms of lowering what's going to be paid in the health care system and rai raising sort of different benefits in the system. i think it's correct to say we're going to spend a huge amount. part of the question is, who is paying that bill? right now we have a combination of public and private, split almost 50/50. 50% coming from the federal government, state government and local government and 50% from the private sector and, obviously, the main issue with the medicare for all is we're going to shift all of that to the public sector, which will require taxes of various sorts. taxes on corporation, taxes on -- in the warren plan,

high-spending individuals, people with $50 million or more in net worth. closing a bunch of loopholes on corporations. i think, you know, could we spend $52 trillion on health care? yes, we're going to. that's what the current plan is. and i do think she's right in the point that the question is who pays? how much is government and how much is private -- the private corporations and individuals? >> so to that point, julie, walk us through how this plan would affect hospitals and health care staff. what would fundamentally change in the way hospitals and health care staff currently operate? >> mostly, they would get paid less. in many cases they would get paid significantly less than they get paid now. they're obviously not going to like that. they've already been -- hospitals and health industry have been having ad campaigns warning about socialism and government takeover of health

care. they don't really want to get paid less. general consensus that the health care sector is getting overpaid in the united states, that we may much more for the same types of health care that they pay in other industrialized countries. politically, how far down, how fast can you take that? under elizabeth warren's plan it would go down pretty far, pretty fast. >> can i emphasize, there are five really big changes to the health care system. one is she's going to reduce administrative costs by getting rid of private insurance from roughly 12%. she says 2.3%. that's probably too low. it's probably closer to 5%. reduce drug costs. reduce what she pays to hospitals to 110% of medicare. hospitals are also going to save on lower administrative costs, lower drug costs. she is going to have more alternative payments, bundle payments and other such items. and she's going to pay doctors at the medicare rates.

again, they're going to save some money by lower administrative costs. that's the combination of changes to the health care system. and as julie mentioned, there's widespread agreement that our prices are too high. if you compare an mri in the united states to britain or japan or germany, we're substantially higher than they are, just on the price and we're not being forced to be efficient, because people are willing to raise prices, especially on private insurance. >> let me go back to the point you made, to be paid for. that is something that has dogged elizabeth warren on the campaign trail. she was asked whether or not taxes will be raised for the middle class. her answer now is no, it won't. when she was pushed to explain that, her definition, though, of what the middle class income bracket has raised some eye brows. watch this. >> when you say you won't raise middle class taxes, what is the

income tax bracket. >> here it's 100%. it doesn't raise taxes on anybody but billionaires. the billionaires can afford it and i don't call them middle class. >> when you compare that to something that bernie sanders has said which, yes, the middle care taxes would go up to pay for medicare for all, is that a fair promise, that nobody under a billion dollars would see their taxes go up for this? >> even her plan has taxes going up for people making $50 million, having a net worth of $50 million or more. so even that's a little wrong. what she does -- what she does do is she says that employers who have been paying -- paying, i put that in quotes -- for health insurance will be

paying -- maintaining their effort. they will have to pay for their employees except if they're small businesses of 50 people or under or self-employed. states will have to continue. that raises about $6 billion. people will no longer be paying premiums, deductibles or co-pays. their incomes, therefore, will be higher and they will pay a tax on their money they now getting, they're not paying. so that is a -- you know, there is about a billion -- a trillion, sorry, $1.25 trillion over ten years on those people. in addition, hsas will go away, and that will raise another i think $250 billion. so it's not exactly like they won't see some taxes, but their incomes will go up more than the taxes on this plan. >> julie, let me get your final thoughts on this. that is about the public perception, public attitudes and where the public generally is on this issue because according to

a recent kaiser family foundation poll, the support for medicare for all has narrowed over time. you see it on your screen. it is the narrowest it has been for a while. but support for a public option has actually increased since july. what do you make of this? how do you reconcile that or explain that? >> i think the public is finally getting an idea of what these things mean. for a long time when pollsters would ask people if they liked medicare for all, they say that sounds like a great idea. do you know that means we would get rid of private insurance, they say, no, no, no, maybe i don't want to do that. as we're putting flesh on the bones, the public is getting an idea of what they mean and express their desires one way or another. one of the problems for the democratic candidates is that the liberal democratics know what medicare for all means and they very much want it. >> and very quickly, julie, let me ask you this. is there a double standard by

which we are using to measure policy and promises made by democratic candidates spending trillions of dollars on an issue like this as opposed to what we have been hearing from president trump over the past couple years in terms of promises that have not been upheld or kept? >> there are a lot of democrats, particularly in congress, who are sort of not happy with this debate going on in the presidential campaign about democrats fighting with each other. they say they should be pointing out that the trump administration and republicans have been trying to roll back the coverage that exists now and that perhaps that's what democrats should be talking about rather than fighting with each other about medicare for all versus a public option. >> all right. thank you both for joining us this evening with your insights. when we return, the kasie dvr. ♪ limu emu & doug and now for their service to the community, we present limu emu & doug with this key to the city. [ applause ]

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rival. >> holding up aid. >> about quid pro quo. >> if there was a quid pro quo, it certainly wasn't very effective. >> ukraine has that paid under president obama and they got pillows and blankets. >> it is exactly one year from election day. >> two-way race? >> not yet. >> what's happening right now is not necessarily determinative of the outcomes. elizabeth warren putting out a medicare for all idea. >> she took it from a health care idea to a tax idea. >> do you buy she can pay for her plan without raising taxes on the middle class. >> the math is certainly controversial. >> anybody can win the iowa caucus. >> no clear front runner, everything should go fine. >> that is the kasie dvr, and that does it for us tonight. we are back here with you next week from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. up next ari melber hosts "trump & ukraine: impeachment crisis."

and tomorrow morning you can catch me in live interviews with 2020 democrat senator corey booker and pete buttigieg on morning joe. for now good night from new york. good evening to you this sunday. i'm ari melber. and welcome back to our msnbc special "trump & ukraine: impeachment crisis." we're joining you tonight with a new report, the first in this series. all of this coming after a series of bombshells and testimony by trump's own administration officials. the congress now on record with the exact plans for how any trump impeachment will proceed. investigators preparing for these public hearings. and an extra panel joins me at top of our show to walk-through everything that has just changed. later tonight, we have exclusive reporting on how congress approaching the impeachment and trial of