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inquiry. there have been several rapid and critical developments in the last 24 hours from capitol hill to the white house. here's a snapshot of what's traps pyred here at msnbc. >> it was always a longshot but we learned this morning for sure that acting white house chief of staff mick null vainy will not show up today to testify in the impeachment inquiry. >> president trump going 22 minutes and counting still talking on the white house south lawn with reporters on his way to atlanta answering a series of questions about the impeachment inquiry. >> all that matters is one thing -- the transcript and the transcript is perfect. >> we've received the transcripts from two key witnesses, they are packed with new insights, fiona hill, the former top russia adviser on president trump's national security council and lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, the nsc's top ukraine expert. >> a man already a major figure in the ukraine saga apparently

has information that impeachment investigator does not. >> all of the witnesses are lining up in terms of what they're saying, they all saw this was a shakedown operation against the ukrainian government. >> by this time next week congress will have completed the first two public hearings in the impeachment proceedings against president donald trump. >> house democrat denny heck tells cnn they're setting a target of wrapping a week's-long investigation up by christmas. we have a lot to bring you this hour with nbc journalists and our team of analysts all across the country. public hearings are scheduled for next week with three key witnesses. house lawmakers are set to hear from bill taylor, the top diplomat in ukraine. deputy assistant secretary george kent and former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. join us is reporter from axios

and jonathan allen. >> what are your expectations for next week's public hearings, mouch are we going to learn beyond what's been released in those depositions? >> i think the public is going to learn a lot about diplomacy and i also think the public is going to learn a lot about this for lack of a better term, scheme, that was put in place to try to get ukraine to open up an investigation into vice president, former vice president joe biden. and hunter biden. and the pieces of leverage that were used to do that. namely the $391 million in foreign assistance to ukraine and possible white house meetings that was dangled out there for ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky that he very much wanted. so you're going to hear people testify to those pieces of it. and also you're going to hear them testify about a parallel basic of foreign policy

established within the trump administration that consisted of rudy giuliani and ambassador gordon sondland and white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, that was trying to oust and in some cases just sort of undercut the state department and the normal channels of diplomacy. >> elena you've got these three witnesses here, kent and taylor and yovanovitch. who is the most critical? >> i think they all are and i think it's really interesting to look at -- that they chose these three specifically to begin with. for at least for the behalf of showing of american people in laying out their case to the american public in these public hearings. bill sttaylor who was brought o late just this year and so secretary of state mike pompeo was someone who directly was involved in bringing him on. that's one part of why i'm told that he's one of those who is starting this week. but from what democrats say, they think that these three people, they're all career

officials, they describe them in unimpeachable. they're apolitical. so i think they're really eager to have the american people see that these nonpartisan figures tell them what had happened behind closed doors. >> the president certainly thinks that these are going to be political hearings and here's what he had to say about these open hearings. >> well they shouldn't be having public hearings. this is a hoax. this is just like the russian witch hunt. this is just a continuation. >> now jonathan, isn't this a break from republican allies who spent weeks complaining about the lack of transparency. >> that's a sharp catch there. the president and his allies said for weeks that the biggest problem was that these hearings were going on behind closed doors. they've said that the democrats were trying to railroad the administration and the public by doing everything in private and now the president is complaining that it's being done in public.

>> so there's plenty of key moments in the transcripts released this week, alayna. but this hit on a theme. george kent said the president wanted to hear three words from ukraine's president -- biden, clinton and investigation. what does this say to you about what we're going do see next week? >> i think it says it shows exactly what democrats are hoping that the american public can clearly hear from these witnesses. that the president very much did want a public commitment from ukraine about investigating not just corruption in general, but key things, including burisma, which hunter biden was on the board. and the key thing is weather the commitment to investigating biden and burisma, the 2016 election did hinge on aid and a potential white house meeting, very coveted by volodymyr

zelensky, the new president in ukraine. so i think the the key here is listening to these key words, and listening to what these nonpartisan people have to say about it. >> jonathan, how are republicans going to respond? who are they planning to invite as their witnesses? >> we've heard a wide range of people they might want to invite as their witnesses. up to and including the biden family members. did remains to be seen who the finalist is is going to be that they submit to the house democrats. later in the process, in a senate trial you might see a different set of witnesses. republicans are going to do whatever they can. to make this as much a a circus-like atmosphere as possible. >> alayna you've been reporting about congressman jim jordan. there's a lot of news about representative jordan. how significant is this move?

>> it's incredibly significant. i think it shows how much confidence republican party has in jim jordan. he's one of the president's top defenders and fiercest allies and he's really become the face of at least the republican side of the defense of this president during the impeachment inquiry. almost like chairman adam schiff's counterpart. so moving him on to the intelligence committee making him a temporary member is what leader kevin mccarthy has said, shows they want to have him in charge of the hearings this week, being one of the key questioners and having a prominent role in the public hearings. >> the other big story we're following this morning, shocking ex-empts are emerging from "a warning." the author piecing a picture of what he or she called a nearly daily five-alarm fire drill where the white house staff tries to intervene before the president can enact his latest quote wacky or destructive idea.

according to the "washington post" the author also revealed that senior administration officials at one point considered a plan to resign as a large group in a midnight self-massacre. the white house responding to the book, in a statement, that reads in part the coward who wrote this book didn't put their name on it because it is nothing but lies. now we want to know that the information in the book is uncorroborated and coming from an anonymous source, nbc news does not know who the writer is. nor whether the person was in a position to witness what they say happened. in the book. so jonathan, as you read the reports about this book. what are some of the claims that surprise you the most? anything shocking in here? >> nothing is shocking any more. look i think the sort of the wildest claim is the, the sort of description of an effort to

oust the president through the use of the 25th amendment, which very much couldn't happen with the president who is actually an alert mental state. something that has popped up before in some of the discussions around the justice department, and cabinet officials, i think i sort of take this as a reader, to be people musing, more than actually thinking about doing that. in the same way i take about the talk about mass resignation or mass professional suicide. something that people mused about. but obviously didn't get close to doing. >> according to the "washington post," the anonymous author wrote, i was wrong about the quiet resistance inside the trump administration. and unelected bureaucrats in the cabinet appointees were never going to steer donald trump the right direction in the long run or refine his malignant management style. he is who he is.

this was also the central argument "new york times" op-ed that spawned this book and now the author says that assessment was wrong. what's your take-away from that? >> it is interesting. to hear a bit of a walk-back of that. that's something that a lot of, this is not a new idea that people within the white house had tried to pull back from the presidents what they would say worse instincts are. we've seen that, we've heard about gary cohn, the former nec adviser and the generals that the president employed like general mattis, who tried to rein in what they said were the president's most impulsive decisions and try to get him to see a different way. but i think the idea of there being this big resistance within the white house might be a bit overplayed. there definitely are people who would try to help the president i guess simmer in some ways on some of his worst instincts.

the fact that there is in this big resistance, i haven't in my reporting, come to see that yet. >> do you think that the author is withholding their identity because they're still active in the administration at the senior level. >> not knowing who "anonymous" is, it's hard to say. i think anonymous is with holding their identity for a variety of reasons, including bringing attention to the book. >> jonathan allen, alayn alayna treene, good to see you guys. new transcripts are giving us a better look at the impeachment testimony. the biggest take-aways and what it means for the administration. g your vision to life and save in more ways than one.

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new today, the white house is weighing a defense strategy by going on offense. this is house democrats get ready to make their case on impeachment on live television. nbc white house correspondent hans nichols is joining us. what is the administration's plan? >> well jo, the they want to have a potential testimony be released, this call log from the president. at the same time the president is railing against this idea of having public hearings. that's after a weeks of talking about how these private testimony should be made public. and it all comes ahead of a week where we don't know what the legal rules are going to be on who can be compelled to testify.

after returning to washington late friday, the president bracing for potentially big bombshells in the impeachment inquiry. former national security adviser john bolton may now be ready to share relevant meetings and conversations on ukraine according to his lawyer. making him a possible star witness. his appearance could shed some light on the newly released testimony of his former deputy -- fiona hill. who said he referred to rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, as a hand grenade in the ukraine discussions. hill also testified that bolton was so concerned about a july 10 conversation between ukrainian officials and gordon sond lrd, the u.s. ambassador to the european union that he left early. also in the meeting, lieutenant colonel alexander vindman looking completely alarmed. in his testimony, vindman said trump had invoked a quid pro quo for the ukrainians to investigate the bidens.

the demand was in order to get the white house meeting they had to deliver an investigation. vindman told house investigators. the president doubling down. >> i had a second call with the president, which actually i believe came before this one. and now they all want that one and if they want it, i'll give it to them. >> insisting his actions were appropriate. >> why would you ask the president of ukraine to do something you weren't willing to ask your own justice department? >> we are looking for corruption, we're giving hundreds of millions of dollars and we're looking for corruption. >> as the president ignores a cease and desist letter from the initial whistleblower's lawyer. >> the whistleblower is a disgrace to our country. a disgrace. and the whistleblower, because of that, should be revealed. >> now jo, the president will be heading down to a football game in alabama. it's supposed to be cold down there as well. an opportunity for him to talk beyond his traditional audience. because you look at sports events, we've seen this a lot from the president the last two

or three weeks, he's looking for ways to reach voters that aren't necessarily decided, that are low-engagement voters, it's not just about the football game but reaching to a different audience. in this case it's lsu versus alabama. louisiana has an important governor's race on saturday, the white house really wants to influence. so the president broadening or attempting to broaden the voters that he reaches. >> joining me aaron blake senior political reporter for the "washington post." a new report on the four big take-aways from fiona hill's and alexander vindman's transcripts, let's talk about the take-aways, you list mick mulvaney as implicated in the quid pro quo. sondland has even more explaining to do and incoherent chain of command and sondland's removal and reason statement on a ukraine trip. so let's start with the first one on mick mulvaney's role. what are we learning about on

that front? >> this is significant, because the new line of defense from trump allies is that while maybe there was a quid pro quo and we now have six witnesses testifying to that effect, that it didn't necessarily connect itself to the president, because he hasn't been involved in those discussions, according to the witnesses that we've seen. we saw gordon sondland in his clarified testimony saying he communicated that quid pro quo to ukrainian officials, not because he had heard it from the president, but because he had presumed it was the only credible explanation for the military aid being withheld. so the fact that alexander vindman and fiona hill now connect this to mick mulvaney, who is the president's top aid brings this one step closer to the president and makes it a little more difficult to argue that this wasn't the president's will. >> i want to talk a little bit about the, the republicans and how they're going to try to link mulvaney's role to rudy giuliani and gordon sondland.

what are the strategies behind that? >> i think this is a -- i think that republicans would like for this to be a situation in which maybe the president never explicitly said there was a quid pro quo or that ukraine needed to do these investigations in order to get money, in order to get a white house meeting. but maybe that this is something that people like sondland, even people like mulvaney, rudy giuliani, his personal lawyer, presume that the president wanted. and were essentially acting on their own. it doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't something wrong here, but it means that maybe there's no smoking gun involving the president. i think that's a difficult argument, though. because this is something that took place over the course of a number of months, rudy giuliani was not secretive about what he was up to. and the president himself was espousing some of these theories and calling for some of these investigations, including on

july 25th call with the ukrainian president. arguing that this was not the president's will or there was not an explicit connection to the president i think is walking a fine line for republicans. >> i want to take a look at this picture continue to develop of an incoherent chain of command. >> this is the other main argument that republicans are putting forward, is that we, even if there was kind of a desire for this quid pro quo to be communicated, that there's such an incoherence in the white house's management style and especially this ukraine policy in which nobody really knew who was in charge, that it was impossible to execute any kind of scheme and that it didn't ultimately come to fruition, in fiona hill's testimony, she does describe not knowing who was in charge. alexander vindman describes hill telling him he shouldn't go to a meeting because the president might confuse him with another person who was feeding him

information about ukraine. it seems like there was really no kind of guidance, there was no hierarchy when it came to who was handling this policy. i think that's an argument that republicans are going to continue to go with. that this is not something that ultimately came to fruition, because there was no order to it. >> we heard how national security adviser john bolton could have information to share with investigators through his attorney says he would need a court order to be able to testify. if that happens, how big of a game-changer is that in your view? >> it would be huge. john bolton is something who is not just the president's national security adviser, but was talking to the president on a frequent basis, including presumably about ukraine issues. to this point, we have one witness who essentially was talking to the president about these things. and that was gordon sondland, who hasn't exactly flipped on the president, has offered a kind of favorable set of circumstances, according to his testimony on the president and

hasn't necessarily spoken to the president a whole lot. he said there were five or six times he has spoken with the president about ukraine. john bolton has a window into many other meetings here and many other communications and significant events. if john bolton testifies, that's a big if right now, because the court case could drag out, if it is a court case, he's somebody that could provide something that maybe all these witnesses can provide a piece of. but can't necessarily tie together in one coherent narrative. >> aaron blake at the "washington post," thank you so much. a warning from the doj with the justice department wants to know about "anonymous" days before the release of a tell-all book and whether the publisher could be forced to answer some of doj's questions. coughing

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turning 50 years old and the empire state building is going green and yellow as part of the celebration. big bird and the original big bird puppeter, carol spiny were part of an ceremony on friday to kick off the event. we're getting more complete look at what happened inside the room and some details directly implicating president trump and his attorney, rudy giuliani. nbc's heidi przybilla has the latest. >> transcripts released this week show acting u.s. ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, testified president trump insisted ukrainian president zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of biden and 2016 election interference. recalling president trump saying if president zelensky did not clear things up in public, we would be at a stalemate. kurt volker, former special representative for ukraine recalled a conversation with

president trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. who wanted zelensky to announce an investigation into burisma, the company linked to hunter biden. if it doesn't say burisma in 2016, it's not credible. because what are they hiding? he recalled giuliani saying, again, it was president trump who suggested that president zelensky or his staff meet with mr. giuliani and attorney general william barr. giuliani later confirmed his work in ukraine was solely on behalf of mr. trump. when lieutenant-colonel alexander vindman, top ukraine expert on national security, was asked if there was any question that president trump was asking president zelensky to open an investigation into the bidens he replied, there was no doubt. and u.s. ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland amended his original testimony saying on second thought, there was a quid pro quo, testifying i now recall where i said that resumption of

u.s. said would likely not occur until ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement. despite the mounting evidence, republicans still downplaying the allegations and some saying, they refuse to even read the transcript. >> i've looked at the phone call. i find nothing wrong here. i'm not going to entertain impeaching the president over this matter. period. done. >> as closed-door hearings continue this week, so did the no-shows. that included former national security adviser john bolton, and acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney. democrats say refusible to comply with the investigation will only strengthen the articles of impeachment as they announce the next round of the inquiry. >> we will begin our open hearings in the impeachment inquiry next week. the open hearings will be an opportunity for the american people to evaluate the witnesses for themselves. >> those hearings start wednesday with the parameters passed by the house october

31st. >> the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. >> heidi, thank you. and the whistleblower's attorneys are demanding a federal investigation into any leaks concerning the identity of the whistleblower. now to the latest move by the white house over a new reported insider's view of the president and the white house. nbc news has confirmed the department of justice is demanding in a letter to the publisher, of the new book "a warning" copies of the author's nondisclosure agreement. or the dates of the author's service and the agencies where the author was employed, all in an effort to undermine the author's credibility. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevvala. >> individuals have no first amendment right to public classified information that's what the courts have held for some time.

to that end members of the intelligence community are routinely required to sign these nondisclosure agreements, which not only prevent them from disclosing classified information, but for their lifetime, require them to submit any publications for p prepublication review. and what's interesting about this is that the courts have held that even if the document, the thing submitted for p prepublication review, or something not submitted and published without review, even if it contains nonclassified information, that doesn't matter. because the important thing is that the author was supposed to submit it for review by the agency. and the courts have approved of imposing what's called a constructive trust. they freeze the book's ability to make money and funnel that money directly into the government, so that they can seize all that money, that profit made from the book. and the courts have approved that almost automatically. so if there was a violation of a

nondisclosure agreement and if there's the release of classified information, then it is very likely that the doj can impose that constructive trust. >> the letter is from the department's civil division, is there a civil lawsuit here? >> potentially that's how the constructive trust would be imposed. the doj or the agency would file a civil lawsuit and ask the court to impose this trust. not necessarily for dollar damages, but instead saying court impose this trust, all the money, all the profits go into this trust and you at least prevent the author from profiting from this failure to submit from prepublication review. again even though it is a prior restraint on first amendment free speech rights, it is an exception where the courts have said this is an example -- even though we hate prior restraint of free speech -- this is an instance where it is or could be warranted. >> danny, do you think the white house already knows who anonymous is? what's the likelihood they can

figure this out? >> there have been reports, at least guessing at who the whistleblower is or who, i'm sorry, who anonymous is, i'm sorry. and who it might be. but it's all conjecture at this point. nobody really knows who anonymous is. >> well we'll be on the lookout for that thank you for your analysis all morning. and it's time to see what's ahead at the top of the hour on "up" and my friend david gura joins me with a preview. >> a lot to cover as the impeachment heads to new stages. anthony scaramucci will join us as we sift through excerpts of the new book "anonymous" he was the white house communications director for a few days. but he spent most of his career in finance. we'll get into these reports of wall street's aversion, displeasure with senator elizabeth warren and her plans and the announcement that senator mike bloomberg is expected to make coming up.

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the nation like he's running his business? god help us. i'm a new yorker. and i know a con when i see one. >> since then, he's been using his millions to help democrats win elections. and now bloomberg wants to insure president trump is defeated in 2020. his spokesman tell nbc news mike is increasingly concerned the current field of candidates is not well positioned to do that. bloomberg reportedly has expressed doubts about fellow moderate joe biden and whether biden can beat president trump. >> in terms of he's running because of me, the last polls i looked at i'm pretty far ahead. >> if bloomberg decides to enter the praise, he does not plan to compete in the early contests, including iowa and new hampshire, that's because he would be getting such a late start. president trump took a shot at bloomberg friday. >> there's nobody i would rather run against than little michael. >> officially has a nickname, maybe not officially in the race yet. but bloomberg's plan if he runs is to focus on the super tuesday

states and beyond. bed b.e.t.ing that iowa and new hampshire won't matter. democrats in those states not crazy about that idea and strategists questioning if bloomberg can wait that long and still succeed. jo? >> what's the recent history on that kind of move? does it work? is there a possibility of it working? >> we haven't seen it work in the past. i think back to rudy giuliani waiting a long time into that calendar in 2008. ultimatelies i had presidential bid didn't go anywhere. you talk to strategists now who look at south carolina as being a little bit too late in the calendar. for some of these candidates to solely rely on it, to propel them forward. you have to think about the fact that all of these contests start in early february, you go iowa, new hampshire, nevada and then south carolina. think of all the news cycles that happen between now and then. there's a reason that presidential candidates especially focus on iowa and new hampshire. because the momentum, energy and news coverage is what propels them to the later states,

especially if they're struggling with money and resources before people start voting, jo. >> something that bloomberg does not struggle with. money. nbc's aly vitalli. democratic voters care who can beat donald trump in 2020 and the top three polling candidates are all quote electable according to a new monmouth university national poll. senator elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are closing the perceived electability gap with joe biden with potential voters saying they each have about a 7 in 10 chance or more of defeating president trump at the ballot box. we have just the person we need to explain these numbers. joining us now is patrick murray, director of the monmouth university polling institute how do you determine electability as a rating? >> we ask people to rate democratic voters to rate the field on a scale up to 10 on how well they think this person

would do in terms of definitely or not definitely beating donald trump. so in we've asked this question a few months ago. joe biden was clearly the leader of the pack. now we have seen biden and warren and sanders kind of grouped there together. there's a couple of interesting things about that besides the fact that they're grouped together. even the candidates that are lower-ranked there. their own supporters feel that they're just as electable as joe biden is, there's a perception there, i don't think democratic vote remembers the best judge of who actually would be electable. but wu know electability is a key factor they're thinking about in this race. you're talking about mike bloomberg earlier. i'm not sure how electable he's going to be seen in this race. what we polled him back in january, he was only getting 2 or 4% and democrats were kind of split about him. we're including him on our iowa poll that is actually happening right this weekend.

so we'll see next week why he might want to skip iowa. because we'll have some real numbers on him to see if he's in the electability mix with these other candidates. >> that's so interesting. i look forward to seeing that poll and those numbers, given the news that we've had. your poll finds biden at the very top again. but tied with warren now, 23%, sanders is trailing closely at 20%, what do you glean from this? >> these are the candidates and also while pete buttigieg is at 9%, he's been rising recently as well. these are the candidates who the national democrats are looking at, and being told you know they're getting this information from the media. remember this is a national poll about national democrats and the majority of whom will not vote in a primary. you're talking earlier about momentum from iowa and new hampshire. that will change the picture entirely. what this is telling us is that national democrats are getting the message that it's currently a three-way race with buttigieg

hanging on there behind them. that's the message that they're getting, so we'll see what happens and how that opinion might change once we get into iowa and new hampshire in the early states. >> the capitol hill impeachment inquiry and support for the president's removal has stayed the same for the past month. sitting at about 44%. support has grown since august, it was 35%. supported impeachment back then. with all the news breaking where do you think the numbers go. >> we saw the big jump once the news broke about the ukraine call that was the difference between the august and september poll. since then, basically it hasn't moved at all. so that initial shock of news moved some people but what we are finding in the poll when we dug down into it and looked at the president's approval ratings, support for re-election, is that more and more people are saying i will not change my mind on this president. we had a year ago, 41% of

americans said they could change their mind about how they feel about donald trump. it's now down to 31% and the rest are locked in. >> do you think you had the big moment with ukraine and the news breaking. with the impeachment inquiry going public for everyone to see this week, does that move the needle? >> it could. we saw in the poll a majority of americans, about 55% said that they would have more trust in the process once it went public so we'll see if that translates to a change in opinion about whether impeachment and removal should move forward. >> patrick murray i could talk to you all morning, thank you so much for coming in. msnbc and the "washington post" are sponsoring the next democratic presidential debate on november 20th at 9:00 p.m. eastern. must-see tv and you'll be able to watch it right here on msnbc. looking back at a day that changed the course of history.

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♪ this is up. i'm david gura on saturday as lawmakers get ready for public hearings in just a few days, the impeachment inquiry is entering a new stage. there is also a new dynamic we are focused on this morning. that is the ballots behind the scenes between john bolten and mick mulvaney brought to life in newly released transcripts and alluded to in a letter from john bolton's laurs to lawmakers teasing all that he knows about including many relevant meetings that haven't been discussed in the impeachment inquiry as well. somebody who has been in the inner sanctum of the white house is anthony scaramucci, if only for a few days. he is now amongst the president's most vocal critics. we will get into michael bloomberg's