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good morning. i'm jo ling kent. it's 7:00 in the east. 4:00 a.m. out west. day 48 of the impeachment inquiry. we begin with a fast-moving series of events in the past 24 hours. first the republicans releasing their list of witnesses they want to call this week including the whistle-blower and joe biden's son hunter. next a sharp reaction from the democrats. adam schiff saying the committee will not carry out a sham investigation into biden or facilitate the president's

efforts to threaten or retaliate against the whistle-blower. president trump putting out his own tweet that both whistle-blower, house speaker nancy pelosi and adam schiff on the list to testify. all this getting a lot of reaction. >> the fact that the democrats are already not letting him testify as of right now they are going to give us no witnesses. >> they are showing this blind loyalty to a president who is not only tyrannical but a bully. >> through third hand knowledge. regardless of what anyone says, read the transcript. >> to go over everything and dig into what we have our nbc news journalists, a panel of analysts and reporters here. we start with hans nichols. what more is the president saying about all of this? >> reporter: well, he has a mixture of offense and defense from the president. he took in that college football game yesterday. what you saw on twitter was a

preview of his defense. now he took two opportunities to go ahead and find the cameras yesterday before leaving and what he's doing is setting a timeline for himself. he's saying he's going to release a transcript of that earlier phone called had with president zelensky by tuesday. at one point he suggested monday but saying tuesday. that's important because it's a day before the public hearings are set to begin. it's clear that the president wants to have his defense rest on what was in the calls, have a listen to how he described it. >> this is a witch-hunt. at the highest level. it's so bad for our country. but here's the deal. read the transcript. you'll see the call. now i'll give you a second transcript because i actually had two calls with the president of ukraine. so you read the second. you tell me if you think there's anything wrong with it. but never in history has anybody gone through this, it's a witch-hunt and it should never

happen to another president. >> reporter: the president was very active on twitter yesterday. late last night he did something new he attacked a potential witness, marie yovanovitch the oust ambassador to ukraine. she's set to testify later this week. what the president said about her as he looked at her transcript he was retweeting a republican congressman said and suggested she was a liar. that's different from what the president said about her in the past where he suggested she seems like a nice lady, a nice woman. the president being more offensive as he's going after these potential witnesses as we get to this next phase of the impeachment inquiry, the public phase, open congressional hearings next week will be very interesting. >> why do you think the sudden turn last night? >> reporter: you know, the president is pretty nimble on this. he likes to shift his strategy. react at the moment. on twitter he previews defenses

he does publicly. this may be the first time he thinks marie yovanovitch could pose some sort of threat to him. it's interesting he's gone after marie yovanovitch who is one of many potential witnesses that will come out. also tells us something about where the president thinks the weakness in his case is so he's going after a former ambassador who still in the state department, i should mention and as she testified at least the private part of her testimony she suggested she was concerned about her well being. >> hans nichols outside of trump tower here in new york. joining me is julie manchester reporter for the hill and a senior legal affairs writer at politico and msnbc contributor. good morning. >> good morning. >> josh, what is the gop witness list we've been looking at tell us about the party strategy going into this impeachment fight? >> well one thing it tells you is that while they do plan to engage somewhat with allegations against the president, they also want the to divert on to several

other topics. they want to look into this issue about biden and ukraine that i think most people regard as unfounded. and they even want to go back to earlier issues involving the president and russia and what they think were excesses in the russia investigation. nelly norr the wife of a justice department official and put together the famous dossier on the president. some is distraction. the there were a couple of names of people that were involved in these policy designates on ukraine in the last, you know, four to six months or so who might be legitimate witnesses and actually could see the democrats calling them. i'm not sure they are going to go along with the stage managing that republicans are trying the to do by putting them on a specific panel to take down one of the democratic witnesses. >> schiff was quick respond to that list warning against a quote sham investigation of the

bidens and other issues. julia, do you agree with what josh is saying that some of these wince will be called, others won't. the democrats might actually work with the republicans a little bit on this front although they won't call it working with the republicans? >> yeah, i could definitely see that happening. remember when adam schiff is leading this committee and a lot of democrats, as part of their strategy, they don't want to make this seem as a partisan investigation. that's the rhetoric you're hearing coming out of republicans and president trump. they are patienting this impeachment probe as par the at the san. however, democrats want to make this seem as productive as possible. they won't call it working with republicans like you said, but they will try to maybe reach across and try to allow some witnesses so they can at least make it seem like it's not completely against the president. however, it's clear from a lot of these witnesses that are being called such as hunter biden, this just feeds into the gop defense on this and essentially is saying that, you know, president trump is a

victim of a witch-hunt. he's a victim of this partisan impeachment inquiry. so once again this plays into their defense going forward. you know, i don't know if all of these witnesses are going to be called. i highly doubt democrats will allow hundrter biden to be call and how that happened that would have major implications or could have major implications on the 2020 race. it's obviously very connected to that. but this new list from republicans definitely puts democrats in a bit of a tight spot. >> so we also know the democrats want to keep this plain and simple. that's their strategy. then the issue of looking at the quid pro quo question and then the republicans now wanting to make this about biden and the whistle-blower. josh, what does this mean for someone at home who is just trying to get the facts and understand what's going on here and make a decision about 2020? >> well, i mean i think we're going to continue to see a battle about the facts that

you're talking about, jo, but it seems the republicans are more interested in making it in the meantime a battle about the process, whether or not enough is being done to call their witnesses and whether it's unfair to the president. why we're hearing that discussion and pushing out the factual discussion is there is a fundamental disagreement between the president and many of his republican defenders about the facts here. remember the president's mantra on this is that his phone call was a quote perfect call. he's said that maybe 80 times, a hundred times since this controversy started. the problem for him is that many republicans, especially senate republicans do not agree that it was a perfect call and so as we get closer and closer to these hearings what you'll start to see this focus on process and fairness and how many witnesses there are, because there's still significant disagreement about even if there was a quid pro quo, you know, would that have been necessarily an impeachable offense. that's what they want to talk

about. they don't want to discuss whether there was, in fact, a trade off here, an improper extortion of the ukrainians by the president. >> let's get into that a little bit horse. we have some republican reaction on that issue of quid pro quo which is at the heart of this probe. and it's a response that keeps on changing. listen to this. >> in this transcript there's no quid pro quo. there's no improper leverage. the overall tone of this transcript is that it's mutually laudatory. >> make your own decision but from a quid pro quo aspect of the phone call there's nothing there. >> if there was a quid pro quo it wasn't a very effective one. >> there are perfectly appropriate quid pro quos and there are inappropriate quid pro quos. >> i'm not going to read these transcripts. the whole process is a joke. what i can tell you about the trump policies towards the ukraine, it was incoherent.

it depends on who you talk to. they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo. >> should they have been asked to investigate the bidens for violation of ukrainian law? no. should the aide have been dragged out after congress passed it and president signed legislation to give it to them? no. at the end i think their best defense will be no harm, no foul. >> josh, there's some pretty significant changes in what the republicans are saying here. are they moving the goal post in their approach to impeachment because they don't have a choice any more? are the facts chasing them in the to a corner here? >> yeah. i think once we start to see these hearings you're going to see a series of not just civil servants but folks like lieutenant colonel vindman in military uniform come up and tell the same tale over and over again. to argue there's some disagreement that the president said this didn't happen i think

is going to prove to be difficult for them so they want to try the to change the subject to a process issue or argue as happened with the russian investigation that well maybe the president propose some things that might be improper but if they were never done then maybe no harm, no foul. that seems to be the republican strategy but still a bit unfocused and as i said a little bit inconsistent with what the white house is putting out. >> certainly inconsistent. that's the right word here. president trump also said this yesterday. listen to this. >> now they want to have a transcript of the other call, the second call. and i'm willing to provide that. we'll probably give it to you on tuesday. monday being a holiday. we'll probably give it to you on tuesday. but we have another transcript coming out which is very important. they asked for it and i gladly give it. >> julia, the president will gladly give it. is this an effort to distract

and why does he think that the contents of the prior call will actually change anything about the call that we know about here? >> yes. i can see this very well as being an effort to distract but maybe an effort to show he's cooperating with this investigation or trying to at least be diplomatic in working with republicans. however, i think maybe he thinks that if he releases the transcript or, you know, some sort of memo from this call it could maybe provide some context to the following call that was in july. however, you know, if the president is completely comfortable with this coming out i'm not sure if there's any major bomb shell in this call. however, it will depend on what we get from this, if it's a word to word transcript. however, it could be a memo or some sort of summary where we might have very important pieces of information just left out. >> we'll be looking for that

coming up. the other big headline i want to discuss with you guys this morning some news from michael bloomberg, he's considering a run for president. a new poll out today shows the former new york mayor would beat president trump by six points in a hypothetical head-to-head. the poll shows bloomberg would enter the race in sixth place between kamala harris and andrew yang. be joe biden at the top there at 31%. the billionaire, michael bloomberg not sure if he'll enter the race but he's troubled by what he sees in the democratic field. julia, how likely do you think it is that bloomberg actually does this? >> you know, it's hard to say at this point because i think bloomberg does see an opening. he sees that biden is not drawing the kind of excitement that previous democratic candidates such as barack obama were able to really draw among the democratic primary field. however, at the same time he looks at a candidate like elizabeth warren who is exciting the base but he doesn't

necessarily see her as electable. i don't know. if he were to jump into this race i don't know how long bloomberg would latinst in this. he's another billionaire and a foil for saner and warren in their economically progress iiv policy. it will much more working class people he's out of touch with. with this poll it's a national poll. we need to look at state polls. >> josh, why do you think bloomberg as a white billionaire can disrupt this race. is it about electability or his legacy? what is it? >> as julia said one thing is weakness of joe biden. i do think if bloomberg got into the race it could be a death knell for joe biden's campaign because he would be coming into

the more -- >> it would result -- pardon the interruption, result in bloomberg becoming the nominee -- >> not necessarily. i think it could effectively push biden out of the race. there's a lot of weakness right now with the attention the president has put on biden and his family and while i think the allegations of corruption are outlandish, there's baggage that vice president biden brings to the contest and he hasn't generated the kind of excitement julia is talking about. bloomberg would be a new flavor in this race but i think he too has problems and it's not just that he's rich. some of it comes from the way he governed new york city. it was somewhat autocratic approach. he wasn't known for building coalitions and working with people. he had a strong record on issues like climate, for example, but in other areas, you know, even like his famous soda tax he just went off and did what he thought was a good idea without really consulting people and ultimately the courts struck down what he was trying to do.

who does that sound like? that sounds a lot like donald trump and i wonder if those sort of resonances would be a rob for bloomberg if he gets into the contest. >> thank you. next are the republicans trying to turn the impeachment inquiry into a circus? and like it or not a big change for instagram that we'll see possibly a big feature disappear here in the u.s. introducing a razor that works differently. the gillette skinguard. designed with a guard between the blades that helps protect skin. it guards against razor burn on the neck and irritation on the face. get the shave you've been waiting for. gillette skinguard.

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while house republicans released their list of requested witnesses for reimpeachment hearing including hunter biden and whistle-blower "new york times" article shining light on this strategy saying republicans are prepared to argue the concerns and pressure from the president for a ukraine investigation were legitimate. my colleague alex witt spoke about the legitimacy of the gop list. >> i would think calling hunter biden or even calling the whistle-blower, i mean, i'm surprised they didn't put in a request for president obama's birth certificate. the idea that they would try to out this whistle-blower in order to keep others from coming forward -- let's be clear, it's not because they think that somehow they are going the find something out from the whistle-blower, it's intended to send a chill into the administration, into those offices so that anybody else who might think about pointing out

one of the many wrongdoings of this administration is perpetrating will think twice before coming forward. >> joining me now again this morning msnbc legal contributor and trial lawyer katie fang and former federal prosecutor and legal analyst. katie you saw this list of the people republicans want to testify. how much of this given the list includes hunter biden playing into an audience of one, the man in the oval office. >> it's an intellectually dishonest witness list. i want has zero relevance to the impeachment inquiry. it further as debunked and discredited theory it was the ukrainians involved in our interference in our 2016 presidential election versus the russians. the trump administration his cronies and surrogates want to continue to introduce that into some serious, serious impeachment public hearings just goes the to show that the trump defense is not only

inconsistent, but it's incoherent and it's a completely imperfect defense because it's not really going to forward anything or advance the ball other than just this absurd conspiracy theories that ukrainians had some type of involvement. the fact that nelly's name is mentioned it's becoming the potential for a circus side show. i applaud for adam schiff saying not on my watch it won't happen. >> mark meadows said yesterday democrats of hair best witnesses and evidence but won't stand the test of other evidence of cross-examination. have you seen holes in the transcripts that would lead you to believe a cross-examination would actually help the president's case? >> no. i mean i'm with katie here. there's a bedrock principle at play in both trials and i would argue in impeachment hearings which is that you don't get to call irrelevant witnesses for public relations purposes.

you know they want to now call the whistle-blower and hunter biden and witnesses to undermine the steel dossier. maybe they will call president obama's birth certificate as a witness. i'll up him one. maybe they will call monica lewinsky. let's call all of john wilks booth surviving relatives. it's nfl sunday, come on hand. >> glenn, maybe this list is not in your eyes a great list here. but is there a possibility, just playing devil's advocate here that the democrats or some of these individuals agree to testify and it helps the democrats case. >> it might. you know what? you don't want to get down in the mud and fight with the pig because you get dirty and the pig loves it.

just because the democrats might be able to score some tactical points when cross-examining some of these irrelevant witnesses that have been requested by the republicans doesn't mean we should take that step on the road of letting the impeachment hearings become a circus. so it really shouldn't be sort of tactical calculation, it should be about respect of the process. >> respect of the process. kat katie, congressman arguing this past week, meadow, the testimony proved there were no links between the president and quid pro quo. listen to this. >> mr. second lad made it pretty clear that his meeting between the ukrainians and the president was conditioned on rudy giuliani who was pushing for this investigation. why was it not a quid pro quo? >> my understanding is that was his understanding. any time he talked directly to

the president we have that on ambassador's kurt volker's testimony. any time there was direct conversations with the president, there was no linkage. >> do you buy that argument? >> objection, your honor. nonresponsive. that's not an answer that was given to the question. we know sondland has said definitively there was quid pro quo. mulvaney said there was quid pro quo. donald trump said in the call there was quid pro quo. here's what's happening that's so irresponsible. we have lawyers that are actual members of congress that are running around decimating these ridiculous legal theories. it's called legal fiction. the idea you need the quo for the violation of the law doesn't exist. the fact they are screaming about the process being no due process for donald trump because there's no right to confront witnesses it's called sixth

amendment and only in a criminal trial. if you want that sixth amendment privilege to invoke that right, fine but it's not in the right context. are you running around on behalf of donald trump making these statements. meadows and other people need to stop this it misinforms the public. ill riles up the trump base. >> thank you both so much for being here this morning. looming deadline how the impeachment hearings cocoa lied with the government shutdown and democrats concern that the president could use it to his advantage. ♪ limu emu & doug and now for their service to the community,

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and zeroing in on the inquiry to the whistle-blower's testimony saying the committee will not facilitate efforts to threaten, intimidate and retaliate against the whistle-blower. joining me is kentucky congressman chairman of the house budget committee. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. >> do you interpret the republicans witness request an attempt to pursue sham investigations and inat the my date or threaten the whistle-blower? >> well, it's to throw up a lot of something and try to confuse the public. that's the strategy. and i think that's the strategy that the president is using with this second phone call transcript. this is just basically to distract attention from the main charge and the main target of this investigation, which is the fact that the president of the united states used his office to betray the american people, to undermine the constitution, and to jeopardize national security.

that's all this is. this whole biden thing is, again, just an effort to cast smoke on the whole thing. >> congressman, are there any witnesses on this list from the republicans that you would actually like to see called to testify? >> not really. i can't say -- i mean the president said call pell. i'm sure speaker pelosi would love to appear. the idea she could add anything to the information that's already been generated by the committee and will under these, with these hearings is nonsense. so i don't see where any of those witnesses can cast any new light on what we now know and what we will continue to find out about what the president did, when he did it and who was involved and what looks like a conspiracy to violate the law. >> we know hearings are coming, set to begin on wednesday. what do you think the impact is

going to be on public sentiment? what voters think about this inquiry? >> well, i think probably not very much. but, again, we don't have to move too many people -- i don't want to say convince too many people, but we need the to lay out the facts for the american people and i think there's still enough people out there who want to be informed, want to know more and whose opinion can be changed, and if we change enough opinions then that's going to put pressure on the united states senate to actually conduct an impartial proceeding on impeachment if we send articles of impeachment to them. you know, i look at people like lindsey graham and i say could he survive a jury selection process in a criminal trial? absolutely not. not many republican senators can. so, the idea that these hearings might put additional pressure on them at least to be open-minded about the charges that the house

sends to them. >> which articles of impeachment do you think will come out of this inquiry? >> well, i think you'll get -- he might get a bribery article, abuse of power which essentially would be the same thing because it involves the same fact pattern and definitely get an obstruction of congress since the administration has chosen not to cooperate to any extent at all. and the brave people who have come forward from the administration did it without the permission of the white house. so, we'll definitely see obstruction. definitely see abuse of power. beyond that i'm not sure. >> we're a few days away from the government shutdown. what do you expect in terms of an impact that that will have, impeachment inquiry will have on the government funding deadline and vice versa? >> well, now you're asking me to predict what the president will do, which is something i don't

want to do. if left to just the congress, the house and the senate, it wouldn't be a problem. we came to a bipartisan, bicamera to the spending limits. the president to a certain extent was engaged but not a large extent. the only sticking point right now involves funding for a wall. that's really the only thing that's preventing us from passing the appropriations bills both in the house and senate. that involves the homeland security budget. but everything else we have a pretty good agreement on and it's just a question of whenever we send something to the president ultimately if we do, and i say if because right now we're doing continuing resolutions, just extending funding, to keep the government open, but the question is what the president does when funding bill gets to him. if he wes to it can we override it. >> do you think the president shuts down the government to

distract from the impeachment hearings then? is that what you're saying? is that a possibility? >> certainly a possibility. anything is with this president. what i do know is that leadership in the senate and in the house want to do anything possible to avoid a shutdown. mitch mcconnell may have amnesia about impeachment but he doesn't have amnesia who takes the blame for a government shutdown and what happened a year or so ago. nobody wants that. if the president does it, it will be all on his head and i don't think even he is crazy enough to believe that that could help him in his re-election attempt. >> okay. we're certainly in a little bit of unchartered territory here. so anything could happen. i also want to ask you before i let you go this past week's elections in your home state of kentucky. recanvassing results for the governor after the governor trailed the democrat by 5,000 votes. what's your take on how this is

unfolding? >> well, you know, first of all, i'm very happy that andy was elected governor and matt will be retiring. matt biven was a governor who was always combative, never cooperative. he resembled president trump in that regard. i was happy to see the results. the recanvassing is nothing. i don't really think there's going to be any effect on who is going take the oath of office on december 10th. it will be andy. >> what does this mean for 2020 in kentucky? >> i'm not sure. you know i still think there's a reasonable chance donald trump won't be on the ballot. if he is on the ballot it will be tough for democrats virtually every where in the state except for my district which is where president trump and mitch mcconnell are very unpopular. >> why wouldn't trump be on the

ballot in kentucky in 2020? >> well, because i think there's a reasonable chance that he will either be removed from office by the senate or he will decide that he's facing an embarrassing defeat at the polls next year and decides not to run. i don't know that's a 70% possibility but i think it's at least a 25% possibility. >> why do you think 25% possibility -- sorry for the interruption -- why do you think there's a possibility given the current numbers in the senate that we know so far? >> well, again, i think it's more likely that he's -- that he is not removed by the senate but that he decides that he wants to avoid an embarrassing rejection at the polls. with him it's all about ego, and i think he's going to have to face that choice as we move into the spring, the election takes on more focus, and i think you're going to see pretty substantial evidence that he can win next year. i know i'm a contrarian on that

but that's how i look at it. anyway going back to kentucky, mitch mcconnell is not very popular in the state but i think if trump is running with him then i think that will probably save mitch. if not, then mitch will be very, very vulnerable. we saw last year in the mid-terms this flip of republicans suburban voters. we flipped two state legislative states in the republican area of my district and three metro council seats and that's basically what you're seeing nationally now. what you saw a little bit of on tuesday night when andy won incredible margins in some very republican areas. >> congressman, always very interesting to talk with you. thanks for your time this morning. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> big changes coming to instagram this week. the social media platform will start hiding likes on some u.s. users posts. it's a move they hope will improve online discourse.

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>> good morning. >> so bloomberg is joining the candidates who could defeat president trump. what does this say about the electability argument for moderates versus progressives? >> well, i think first and foremost, most polls show the extreme vulnerability of president trump. his approval number is barely in the low 40s, if it even reaches 40. i think that poll showed that the democratic candidates are in the mid-40s. the president struggles to get out of the high 30s. first and foremost this shows the vulnerability to a democratic nominee. that is why you are still seeing a shifting of the race and new candidates mike mayor bloome

berg thinking of getting into this race. number one, the field is so fluid. number two, president trump is imminently beatable. >> bloomberg is ridged for the alabama primary. this poll yesterday finds him in sixth place, right behind harris and ahead of andrew yang. explain what those two can both exist. >> the biggest competition will be getting the nomination. it's like once you have passed the preliminary rounds, the next round -- not that it is easier, but it is a one-on-one contest. the person who was a favorite

yesterday could end up sort of falling in the next couple of days. and i think, jo, this date puts things in perspective how early it still is. i don't know about you. i'm an nfl football fan. there will be one more super bowl until democrats actually vote. and that is february 3rd in iowa. so we have a long way to go for the nfl playoffs. we have a long way to go for the democratic nomination. . >> one thing i wanted to ask you about is the two states we intend to hear about so much, michigan and wisconsin. biden is leading michigan with 30% of support, nine points ahead of warren. in wisconsin, warren is two points ahead with 25% and 23 points respectively. what is a little bitting voters here? . >> the economies in both states are very different. michigan was an auto industry

state. it is becoming less strong 20 to 30 years ago. in wisconsin, a lot of college towns. madis madison, the city of milwaukee. the different economies in both states. >> interesting stuff. fred yang, one quick question for you here. you know what, i just realized i'm out of town and not going to be able to ask you this. fred, thank you so much. >> thank you very much. ahead on "up" with david gura, the woman who gave president trump the finger about her big political victory. liticr your home at a great price, the way it works best for you, i'll take that. wait honey, no. when you want it. you get a delivery experience you can always count on.

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