urging the nation to keep pursuing impeachment. the moment is finally here. starting this week, the impeachment will be televised. house democrats are ending the closed door portion of the program and are now preparing to go public with their impeachment inquiry. something that has happened only three times in our nation's history. and just in time for the holiday season. the republicans sent their witness wish list to adam schiff. a list that includes hunter biden and the anonymous whistle-blower who helped launch the impeachment inquiry against trump. schiff denied the gop's request for hunter biden warning against what he calls sham investigations. a rejection the republicans are likening to a lump of coal. >> the ink wasn't even dry on the letter we sent to the democrats this morning before they blasted out that press release to all of their cohorts in the media that then ran and said, well, calling as if it's -- there's something wrong with us calling hunter biden,

someone who is receiving $50,000 to $80,000 a month. it's well documented that something definitely happened there. the fact that the democrats are already not legislate him testify are -- as of right now, they'll give us no witnesses. >> oh. of course, none of that is true. schiff has agreed to review the rest of the list. and one of the people on the list will publicly testify this week. and that's ambassador bill taylor. the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine along with state department official george kent. and former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. taylor will be the first to testify, a sign he's positioned to offer the post damning case against trump. already indicated by the vivid blockbuster transcript of his private testimony to house impeachment investigators in which he said trump directed officials to link military aid to ukraine to demand that the ukrainian government open up an investigation into hunter biden's overseas business dealings in that country. and pursue a conspiracy theory

that trump and his crowd think will clear russia of attacking the 2016 election, which they did. the american public will finally hear from the witnesses this week as republicans remain laser focused on minimizing trump's role in the ukraine scandal, even though he's the one on the call at the center of the impeachment inquiry. so get ready, america. the impeachment will be televised. joining me is attorney midwin charles, david corn and author of "russian roulette." jill wine-banks, former assistant watergate special prosecutor and author of the upcoming book "watergate girl" and walter dellinger, law professor at duke. mr. dellinger, the republican strategy here, you could think would be to try to counter the underlying facts on the table which yesterday professor laurence tribe tweeted out are bribery and extortion. the idea that the president said to ukraine if you want this

money that congress has appropriated, do this and do that that help me personal -- my personal gain. but instead what you're seeing is republicans making kind of weird process arguments saying they want the whistle-blower to come forward. saying they want hunter biden to be on the list -- witness list. what do you make of that strategy on the republican side? >> what i make of it is, while this should be a very somber and serious undertaking on all sides, it's a very, very serious step to be taking, i think the republican dream headline would be a curse on both your houses reaction that said something like chaotic hearings descend into partisan bickering. so if there's a chance they will try disruptive tactics that will be treated that way. i think it is critically important not to lose track of the larger context. i hope this is true at the hearing. the larger context is, this is part of an effort that started with the attempt to corrupt the

2016 election with foreign interference and in which the president has continued to encourage, endorse and accept further foreign interference. ukraine call is just one instance where the president himself was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. but the larger context like watergate is an attempt of an incumbent president to misuse his powers to determine the outcome of the next presidential election. >> and what's strange here is, and i'll go to you on this, jill, so republicans are kind of in a spot here because donald trump admitted that he wanted a favor from ukraine. he does this phone call, literally the day after robert mueller's testimony in which he's just through a point of being investigated for russia interfering to help him. now he wants ukraine to help him. he wants the same kind of help, meaning that he wants there to be dirt on his opponent that he thinks might be running against him so that he can use that in

the election. and then wants to get russia clear. it's pretty simple. so republicans now trying to struggle for a way to counter that. here's ron johnson this morning on cnn talking about the ukrainian and attempting to form a substantive defense. here he is. >> he said, ron, you know what a corrupt place it is. and besides, ron, you know, why isn't europe stepping up to the plate? i talked to angela merkel. why don't you provide funding for these things. angela merkel tells me, because you will. that was the rationale he had been consistently providing to me and i think other people in his administration of why he had serious reservations. and i would say legitimate reservations about providing, you know, hard-earned taxpayer dollars to ukraine. i remain sympathetic with president trump's legitimate concerns about the corruption. when you are going to provide hundreds of millions of dollars of hard-earned american taxpayers dollars into a system,

you want to make sure it's not corrupt. >> so jill, i guess that's the best they can do to try to claim that donald trump was concerned about corruption. irony is dead. but ukraine had already been cleared as being, you know, as being able to get the money. they'd already gone through the kind of review that determined that their government had attacked corruption enough that they ought to go ahead and get the aid. congress had already approved the money. and donald trump on the phone call with the president of ukraine didn't say, i need you guys to look at corruption inside your system. i want to make sure that we're giving this money turnover a noncorrupt government. he said, i need you to do me a favor, though. i need you to investigate biden. so he didn't say the thing that ron johnson is saying, right? >> right. and even if ron johnson's argument were based in fact, which it is clearly not, that would be like saying, if a person goes into the bank and

withdraws money at the teller from his own account and then pulls out a gun and says, and by the way, i also want all the other money that's in the bank vault. the fact that he did one thing that was legal -- asking for his own money -- does not mean that the other request is legal. so even if he had intended to do something about general corruption, that isn't enough because he also asked for a favor which was for his own personal benefit. had nothing to do with the interests of americans. in fact, it was counter to our policy and counter to our national security. so it was illegal no matter what, and ron johnson's argument makes no sense at all. it is crazy. >> and let's go to some of the -- speaking of legal issues. i'm going to come to you on this, midwin. you've had republicans' other strategy be to use the anonymous whistle-blower as the person they want to beat up publicly.

but, of course, this person is private. like they wanted their name to be private. so now the new demand is out the whistle-blower. whistle-blower is not on the call. the whistle-blower was told by people who were on the call what happened and that's been corroborated by many, many witnesses. so the whistle-blower is not really jermaine but outing the whistle-blower is their thing. here's rand paul, a united states senator on monday. >> we also now know the name of the whistle-blower. i say tonight to the media, do your job and print his name. and i say this to my fellow colleagues in congress, to every republican in washington, step up and subpoena hunter biden and subpoena the whistle-blower. >> so it's the rand paul strategy that is being used here. donald trump jr., the son of the president, who is not in the federal government, apparently also decided he wanted to help out with rand paul's cause.

he tweeted out the name of the person they are saying is the whistle-blower. there's no confirmation that's who it is. but this person now could be in danger because, you know, they have now placed them in danger. is it illegal what the senator is calling to have done and what don junior did? >> it is. and what i find most astounding about this is we are talking about a sitting senator, rand paul, calling for someone to break the law. we have a whistle-blower statute. it protects people to come forward and basically talk about any wrongdoing that they've observed. why do we have that? so that we can sort of avoid corruption. oh, by the way, isn't that the reason that donald trump said that he wanted -- he was concerned about corruption in ukraine? so you would think if you really are concerned about corruption if that really is the issue that burns at your heart, the one thing you would do is be happy about a whistle-blower. you would be happy about someone will be to come forward and say, hey, listen, this is what i've

observed, and i think it's illegal and important for everybody to know that. but what is so dangerous about this is we are again seeing with rand paul, with donald trump and people who support him a shifting of the norms. the norms in this country or we would like to say, is law and order. we have statutes. we have regulations. we have rules. and we ask that everybody be a law-abiding citizen and follow those laws. but what you see happening here is a systemic breakdown of following the law so long as it suits the interests and the purposes of donald trump. it's incredibly dangerous. and it's a horrible standard by which we ought to be operating going forward. >> and not only that, david corn, but you now have even on the committee. so jim jordan is on the committee, one of donald trump's chief cheerleaders throughout. every day mucking for trump. he's now on the committee. he's got his own whistle-blower. this guy has issues of his own.

our own geoff bennett at nbc news reports he's on this committee now but also facing new accusations he ignored warnings about an ohio state university doctor accused of sexually abusing nearly 200 men on the wrest liling team when j jordan was the coach. he's got whistle-blower problems of his own. the republicans are putting together a rogues gallery of trump defenders rather than those who seem to know how to do the job if there was a defense for trump coming up for it. >> they have a strategy and if i can boost the signal from the wise walter dellinger, when it came to russian attack. so what was the defense they made? the defense was, well, how did this investigation start? what really happened with the beginning of the investigation? it was nothing about what happened. and that's what we see now. we see jim jordan and others out there saying, we need to know

who the whistle-blower is. how did this investigation start? and they totally are avoiding the evidence. we know why. if you read the transcripts that came out the last week, and i did that. well over thousands of pages now. it's clear -- any lawyer would love this case. multiple witnesses testifying to the same thing. multiple quid pro quos. even had fiona hill, the top russia expert at the nsc saying she believed or worried at the time that rudy giuliani who was in the mix here was breaking the law. so tremendous -- a tremendous case and so jim jordan and all the others, all they can do is get out there and distract and try to turn it into a circus so that people don't pay attention to these very basic, damning, incriminating facts. >> walter dellinger, do you see crimes here beyond the unspeakable corruption being exhibited by the trump administration? do you see crimes having been committed by people in trying to get this scheme to happen? >> well, my duke university

colleague, who is an experienced prosecutor, you know, takes a position, a clear hobs' act violation akin to bribery to use the appropriated congressional funds in order to extort something out of that. i think important to recognize, joy, that impeachable offenses are not necessarily track the particularities of the federal criminal code. they're very serious matters that are wrong in themselves and that subvert the public order. this certainly meets that definition. >> jill, i'm going to end this with you. what should we be looking for, those who did not -- have not like lived through this kind of hearing before. what should we be looking for when these hearings begin? >> i think we should be looking for all the pieces of the puzzle to come together where you have the whistle-blower is totally irrelevant. it doesn't matter who said this because when the police got

there to put out the -- to end the burglary, what they found was that there was a burglary in process. and so we need to just hear the actual language and the demeanor of each business awitness and ht together and how the evidence is going to mound. we can also be expecting that the republicans are going to use their normal tactic of diversion. >> absolutely. and as we go, before i ask a very important question. you'll probably hear republicans out there yelling on television that democrats are doing this instead of passing bills. democrats have passed 250 bills. 250. 250. 250. and they have not gone anywhere in the senate. call mitch mcconnell and ask him why he doesn't just put those bills through because he could do that tomorrow. and, jill, what's your pin? >> well, actually was sent by a fan and it shows the craziness that's going on both in terms of the defense being put forward by

trump and his defenders and just this whole scene that's going on. and the sender who sent it said it was for a yiddish word for crazy, idiotic. and if i heard correctly, ron johnson used another yiddish term. >> i've got to tell you, yiddish words are the best. they are great. thank you very much to david and -- david and midwin will be back in the next hour. jill and walter, always a treat to talk to you guys. coming up, profiles in privilege. donald trump jr. redefines sacrifice. that's next. as a struggling actor,

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as many of you know, tomorrow is veterans day. a day when all americans should stop for a moment and reflect on the sacrifices made by our fellow citizens so that we can enjoy the freedoms we have today. donald trump, a man who dodged military service in vietnam by claiming he had bone spurs, whose grandfather was barred from returning to ba varia after he dodged military service there and whose family has contributed exactly zero in the way of military service to this country is father to a man he named after himself and who is raising eyebrows after a passage of his new book surfaced in "the washington post" this week. in his new book "triggered," donald trump jr. recalls his

family's visit to arlington national cemetery on the eve of donald trump's inauguration. he writes, as we drove past the rows of white grave markers in the gravity of the moment, i had the deep sense of the importance of the presidency and a love of our country. okay. that sounds appropriate. but keeping in mind the usual symmetry between apples and trees, little junior goes on to write, in that moment, i also thought of all the attacks we'd already suffered as a family, about and about all the sacrifices we'd have to make to help my father succeed. voluntarily giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals to avoid the appearance that we were profiting off the office. sorry, what? the adult child of the first of trump's three wives whose apparent only job skill is having the sir name trump and hocking buildings around the world is comparing his clan to

those at arlington because he feels his money is funny? ruben gallego, a veteran of the iraq war tweeted, eight men i served with are buried in section 60 of arlington. i visit them monthly. even if donald junior lived a thousand years, he will never even get close to being as good and honorable as they were. sacrifice is only a word to the trumps. ♪ do you recall, not long ago ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪ ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we need someone to lean on ♪ blow a kiss into the sun

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there is no question that everything we've been talking about in terms of everything from criminal justice reform to climate change to immigration, this is now really on the line. there is no guarantee that we are any closer than ever before and we may be further behind. it's a time to celebrate. we have to find this balance tonight. it's a time to celebrate, for sure. but i think this is a night for, you know, the fight call. >> in the middle of celebrating an historic win of her own in 2016, california senator kamala harris braced for what is bound to be a lengthy fight against donald trump. now three years later, she's taking that fight to the campaign trail in hopes of replacing trump as president.

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great to see you. >> good sunday morning, joy. good morning. >> happy sunday morning. okay. it's great to have you here. i'm going to start to rifle through these questions. a lot to ask you. >> okay. >> i want to start with -- i was just reading an interview in yahoo! news in which you talked about the elephant in the room as you called it. or you said the donkey in the room that -- >> yes. >> i'm sorry, in "instyle" magazine. you talked about the fact that whenever you've run for office, whether it's to the attorney general in a 40 million population state of california or running for president, you're told not ready, black woman, i don't think the country is ready. i can tell you there is a lot of that out there of people beal li being like, i don't know if an america that elected donald trump would elect a black woman. >> i am glad you brought it up, and i have been talking about it publicly because it's an experience i've had in every campaign that i have.

and here's the operative word. won. but it comes up in every office that i've run for, i have been the first, as you know, united states senator, included, the -- only the second black woman in the history of the united states senate. so the conversation goes like this. i don't know if america is ready for a woman of color to have this position. i'm ready, but i don't know if my neighbors are ready. that's how the conversation goes. and then it goes on to, i don't know if it's your time, if it's your turn or oh, it's going to be so difficult. and here's the thing. i then share with people the fact this has come up in every campaign i have won to make a very big point, not about me but about who the american people are. i know and i have seen that the people of our country have the ability to see what they've not seen before. to believe and have faith in what can be unburdened by what has been. and it is that belief and that faith and that ability to fight

and not wait for somebody to give permission to say what's possible that fuels my campaign and my optimism. and really is what i know will lead us to become the nominee, the democratic nominee for president. >> and people forget you were elected at the same time donald trump was elected. we played that speech you gave to your staff when you were thinking one step forward, one step back on that. you were an early endorser of then senator barack obama when he ran for president and the vast majority, including of black democrats, were with hillary clinton. hard core. really until he won iowa. i want to show you what the numbers look like in iowa. winning iowa and convincing a mostly white state to support him changed the minds of a lot of black voters and got them on his side. elizabeth warren right now is running on top there. pete buttigieg second. bernie sanders third. joe biden is fourth. you are right now running fifth in iowa. do you need to win iowa in order to convince those same black voters that had doubts about

barack obama? >> you know, first of all, you're right. i was with -- i supported him when he ran for senate. he supported me when i ran for re-election at district attorney. i was with he and michelle and a group of us when he announced in springfield he was running for president and i was there campaigning with him in iowa during those caucuses that you're mentioning in 2007-'08. here's the thing. we need to play in iowa. no question about it. i've virtually moved to iowa. that's why we have an incredible team on the ground. we have been organizing. we have been signing people up to caucus for us. and i feel that -- i feel what's happening on the ground in iowa which is the iowan voters, just like you said, what they did with barack. iowans don't really pay attention to the polls. they want to sit down with you in their living room and have a serious talk. they can read you know what a mile away. the words that start with a b

and an s and they want to have serious conversations about what is going on in their lives and the issues that keep them up at night. and that's my comfort zone. that's the place where i love being, which is having those interactions that are not about talking about to somebody, you know, 1 on 5,000 but one on one. and that's where we are and why we're getting the support we are on the ground. >> just the structural nature of american politics is that iowa and new hampshire, two states not super diverse go first and then south carolina and nevada, watching to see what happens and sort of taking a pulse of what they think the electorate is going to look like. south carolina, of course, a heavily african-american primary. we're going to put up the poll there. you're now running fourth. it's like a 60% black primary. so you're running fourth in that state just behind biden, warren and sanders. in a better position there. and then there's a morning consult poll that's a bigger picture that you're running fifth in that's just out. so when you look at that, the

question of how to get yourself ahead and get yourself into that top tier, what do you -- >> yeah. let's talk about that. >> what do you trace that to? what is the reason why you're not in that top three? >> so, first of all, the people who have been on the -- in the top three have been on the stage for, in some cases decades. and the challenge for my campaign and for me is to introduce myself. but what we found is, one, and many people will talk about the fact that the majority of voters in these places that you have mentioned are undecided, even though they know the people in the top three. so what we find is when we have the opportunity to introduce me and ourselves that people come to us. and that's why i am -- i was in nevada yesterday. i was hanging out with the culinary workers who are doing incredible work in nevada supporting and working for working families. i am in iowa today. and talking with folks to introduce ourselves. and, you know, but it is -- the

challenge is that i've not been on the stage for decades. and so it is about a process of introduction and working hard to earn that support. and i invite people to know my background which is that there are very few issues that are a subject of this election that i've not actually worked on. right? mine has not been a career of giving lovely speeches. it has been about actually making very tough decisions on issues that impact people in -- where they live and in a way that has very direct impact on the lives and families of america. and so i invite people to go to kamala harris.org and be a part of our campaign. but it is a process of introducing ourselves. and that's what we're doing. >> and you and i both know that black women are the foundation of the democratic party's base. >> yes. >> and often the determineinant of who gets elected and who does not. you got a couple of key endorsements. you got a higher heights endorsement. i know those ladies very well. they endorsed you. >> extraordinary. >> you actually won the root

black power rankings this weekend. >> i know. i'm very excited about that. >> and the reason that -- >> and, joy, i also have -- i also have the most endorsements from members of the congressional black caucus who are leaders, national leaders, around the issues that range from the environment to what we need to do around the economy. but also are, obviously, leaders among the districts that have the largest black populations. so i'm very honored to have the endorsements i have among the cbc. >> to go back to the root. i think they are really interesting. they talk specifically about what candidates are doing, vis-a-vis the african-american community and black women and what is going to resonate. and one of the reasons that you did well there, you launched a plan to tie the -- to tie the school day to the workday. >> that's right. >> talk about that. >> yeah, so, you know, my sister

and i were raised by my mother. and we would come home from school, you know, often hours before she came home from work. and we were blessed to grow up in a neighborhood and in a community where the community really treated the children of the community as the children of the community. we had a second mother who lived two houses down from us. and would take care of us. miss shelton. but there sore many families that do not have that anymore. and so what is happening is children, you know, as young as elementary school opportunities are coming home for hours by themselves. or their parents, concerned that they cannot take care of themselves are quitting their jobs or losing time from work which has a direct impact on those parents' ability to pay rent. so i'm saying, look, we have to support working parents. so let's extend the day. not the school hours but basically after-school hours so that we have public schools available for our children to be there engaged in constructive,

playful activity, until their parents come home from work and can pick them up. because if you look at this, it is women and particular women of color and black women who are working mothers who do not have the resources to be able to afford to go through commuting to work and all that that costs and then child care which in many places is more expensive than college tuition. and so we are setting families up for failure. and i look at so many of these issues through the lens of the way i was raised and my childhood. i know that i have the blessing of a community that could help take care of us. but so many families in america now do not and need to have that kind of support from our system. so we just need to be smarter. that's why i'm doing it. i'm very excited about it, and we're going to do a pilot where schools who want to take this on will get a federal grant of $5 million to come up with a design that is based on what the community wants and needs but to keep the school doors open until

6:00. >> let's talk about the criminal justice realm here because it's an important part of your campaign. a lot of people see you as the person to prosecute donald trump in theory. it's sort of what your message has been. >> yes. >> in terms of criminal justice. you've been a d.a., an attorney general, you went down to benedict college. hopefully the audio is good. you went down to ben dict college. i think you had a moment down there where you refused to participate in an event in which donald trump had been honored by an organization that was not the college, but it was an organization that was a sponsor and you said you weren't going to participate in it. your participation caused that organization to be removed as a part of that event. and then -- oh, did we lose -- i think we've lost her audio. why don't we take a break. we'll go take a break and try to get the senator's audio back and resume on the other side. stay right there. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage.

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on the criminal justice end. you've also had some struggles on the issue of criminal justice, particularly with young progressive african-americans who aren't confident or -- and who worry that a prosecutor, you know, might not be the person that they trust the most when it comes to criminal justice. how do you answer that, and how do you win over younger progressives who are worried we don't know about the prosecutor? we don't know. >> yeah, you know, i'm glad you brought that up, joy. first of all, the reason i pulled out of the event at benedict college is because the students weren't involved. this is an hbcu. we know this system has been so informed by race and has really integrated policies that have been about, you know, the result of mass incarceration of, in particular, black and brown men in america. the idea they would have excluded these students from being a part of that program was just intolerable for me which is why i pulled out.

on the issue of this campaign and where i am on criminal justice. i grew up a black child in america. and knowing the failure of the criminal justice system, there's not a black man i know, be he a relative or friend, who has not been the subject of some kind of racial profiling or excessive force. so when i as a child of parents who were active in the civil rights movement made a decision to become a prosecutor, it was because i went in there with the intention of doing what i could from the inside to reform the system. and that is why i -- and also, i know i'm not so good asking permission. so i decided to go in where i could have the power to make decisions. and the decisions i made included creating one of the first in the nation programs that were around young people who had been arrested for drugs and getting them jobs. people said to me, what are you doing? you're supposed to be putting people in jail, not letting them out. i said we have to reform the system. as attorney general of california, i did the first -- one of the first in the nation

requirements that the special agents, law enforcement, wear body cameras and keep them on full time. i created one of the first in the nation required training for police officers on racial bias. and i'm running for president because i know this system from the inside and i know the reform that needs to happen, which is why i have a whole initiative about what we need to do to end mass incarceration and -- which includes sentencing reform, getting rid of mandatory minimums, what we need to do around expungements s and shut down private prisons and accountability from both police officers and prosecutors. i'm prepared to change the standard so when we are talking about the force that a police officer uses, instead of asking, is it reasonable, we need to ask, is it necessary? and what i have done throughout my career to focus on women who are incarcerated and what we need to do to de-incarcerate women. let me tell you, joy. in this campaign, i challenge, and i would ask that every

person on that stage get asked a question about what they were doing in the late 1990s and the early 2000s to reform the system because i was there on the inside pulling up my sleeves to do the work that was necessary. and it's all right for people to be on a debate stage in 2019 talking about what they're going to do. but i can talk about what i actually did. and, yes, i decided. i chose a career that, yes, was going up the rough side of the mountain. i admit that. but i know also what we were able to accomplish and there is still so much more to do. and that's one of the reasons i'm running. >> i want to also get in a question to you about health care. we did a whole thing yesterday talking about the medicare for all pitches. you are another candidate who is for medicare for all. oh, no. can you hear me? have we lost the senator? have we lost her? have we lost you? oh. well, i guess we have lost the senator again. i apologize to senator harris. we had some bugaboos in the

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i have a lot of respect for mayor buttigieg but i think our view is different. i saw hundreds of different cities when i was secretary.

i was mayor of a city that's 14 times larger than south bend. we can almost fit south bend in our alamo dome in san antonio. >> the next debate hosted by msnbc in atlanta is ten days away. these are the candidates who qualified so far. noticeably the lineup. julian castro. he's tied among voters with 2% before. why is that? is it him or us? is the media at large failing to give all the candidates equal attention because our profession is declaring the election of race between a small number of

the candidates. the most diverse field ever, the top candidate in the poll are all white with the exception of senator warren, are all men. one of those candidates promoting the narrative that this race is narrower than it looks. >> it is early to say. >> you see it is coming to a 2 and 1. it is a world where we are getting some where, it is coming down to the two of us. >> pete buttigieg walked back that comment where it did not come out right. >> david corn, washington bureau chief and larry sabato and author of the "kennedy half century" and tiffany cross. i want to talk about julian castro.

he's the best candidate who's not doing well. i can't explain why he's doing well. i think he's a high quality candidate. i want to talk about kamala harris since we just had that interview with kamala harris. i asked her of the obvious question which is the challenges she's having even as a black woman candidate trashing the majority of the most central vote to democrats which was black women. >> right, that's an important question. she should be doing better, one would think. black woman are the moralizing backbone of the democratic party. we are the ones that come out and vote in the largest number and skiconsistently in the democratic party. it would be nice. i said this before when i was on the show last week. she has been faced with a lot of problems that other candidates have not faced.

one is i think a lack of attention from a lot of media outlets. she did not receive attention like other candidates. she does have to deal with name issue. how do you explain the rise of pete buttigieg when you compare him and recognize he does not have the same level of experience and a mayor of a small town. i think it is interesting that she's not polling well with black women. she was a pros futecutoror and is a lot of misinformation of how her record is with the programs she came up with. i look forward to her making the case, i think she's a very good candidate and strong. we have seen her in action as a senator questioning people during confirmation hearings.

she's quite excellent in doing that. the american people should give her another look especially black women. >> tiffany, it is an interesting thing where the majority of the foundation, correct me if i am wrong of what people think of kamala harris as a prosecutor, came from one person from this woman who wrote a piece where she slams her for not being progressive. feels like everybody took that space and took her words for it. rather than sort of giving her a chance to ramp up or tell the rest of the world of who she is, that's one comment i would love for you to respond to. i could be wrong. on cable news coverage to the point where midwin just made. joe biden got 39.7% of the 15 second cable news clips mentioning of any candidate in october. warren got 23%, sanders got 17%.

tuls gabbert got 15.4%. pete buttigieg got 6%. look at where all the candidates of color were on that list as well, tiffany. >> i think it is ridiculous that we have this conversation where mayor pete is in the top tier candidate and he's not doing well. the media completely ignores senator kamala harris. he was rolling out and strapped it out over a week and had that big conference in d.c. and she had the huge crowd in oakland. that was great. after that, the media just kind of decided, we moved on. they give mayor pete buttigieg this craze before he really earned it. you are seeing some of the results in that. that's part of an issue that kind of spread like wildfires,

honestly most of the democratic electors they're not waking up and reading a page in "the new york times." and so i think that narrative kind of went viral from other people and like we talked about it in the show before. when luke wrote the op-ed about her in the miami paper and then that got trashed in florida, battleground state. now he's a supporter. i think there is blame to go around everywhere. the senator campaign recognized that we need to build some allies and take control of our own coverage. there is a thing that you say you should never blame the voters. it is always candidates' fault. we can blame the voters. when senator harris went on the breakfast club, she talked about her policies and record as a

pros cube ro prosecutor. what came out of that interview on the block and beauty salon and book club was did she really smoke weed and who was she listening to. who gives a crap, you know? we have a crazy person in the white house. let's focus on the substance of what she's talking about. the campaign could have done some different things growing up to secure a home first. you should not assume that black people are with you. they have been doing a lot of work and they have not gotten the recognition in the media. that's largely because you may have a newsroom full of diverse people. when you get to the decision maker in most cable news outlets, they are not diverse, that reflects in the coverage unfortunately. >> it is interesting, i feel that there is a similar story about julian castro. we ask for all these candidates all the time. one of the ones that's likely to

say yes was julian and and beto o'rourke. julian was easy to get booked on. he's a good candidate. he's also not resonating in that top tier everyone among latino voters. that poll is a little surprising where he's polling behind white candidates. is there a similar thing that's happening where a lot of black voters are saying, you got to have a old white guy to beat an old white guy. they're projecting what they think white working class people will accept. we can only have what they want. is that the same thing happening among latino voters? >> that clip you were showing, julian was not covered once, right? >> yes. >> i would say a lot of folks don't know who he is in the latino community. he was a cabinet member, one of

t the mayor of one of the largest cities in the country. he had policies that moved all candidates toward him. he uttered it on stage and everybody back pedalled and now they're with him. it is not that he's not a good candidate. he does not have a shot if he does not have fair representation in the media. that's the same for cory booker and kamala harris. the more i look at the coverage, my biggest concern is we are using candidates that are traditional that can secure traditional voters. that's not the game this time around. the way that we are able to win the midterm election was because we expand that political base. we made sure that we were able to secure suburban white women. young voters and we expand the base for african-american voters and latino voters. none of the candidates that you

put forward that are leading pack are actually expanding that space. why are we covering our politics by the people in a way that's comfortable to the establishment instead of asking them tough questions, what are the policies that's going to excite and engage a new populist. we are leading 15 to 20 million voters off on the table because we are not engaging them and bringing them in. that's what's going to be the game changer. if you look at julian castro's policy, he agahad gone into the tunnels and talk to homeless people. many of them are homeless because they never recovered from the housing crashes of 2008. many were wrapped up in immigration and shipped off to another country. the story is he's covering on the campaign trail talking about the most marginalized and the biggest anthropologi

biggest possibility to excite the base. let's speak to all the median now, david. >> come on, david. we have these candidates. we pride add them. >> they don't all say yes. >> joy, you are doing your due diligence. you are giving the opportunity for these individuals to talk and letting the audience craft and create and decide. that's a speedometresponsibility single anchor. let's be curious. the audience can really excite. right now we are being shaped sadly by traditional ways of thinking. allow people come into the conversation. >> let me get david ein here. >> there is another side of this conversation where i am hearing a lot among people of color that say wait a minute, julian castro

was a mayor of 10 or 20 times the size. he's also a road scholar. cory booker ace road scholar. a lot of people speaks multiple languages and have some of the same points of excellence in their lives. you don't see people going my god, julian was a scholar. they do say it about him. there is a sense where he's more moderate and sort of more in the bi biden realm. why don't these other candidates get the same kind of love or kamala, too. >> i am surprised. i think kamala harris, cory booker and julian castro are impressive people, they have impressive careers and public service. i do think that each one of them through the debates earlier on and on the stage had some

opportunity to speak to the audience in a crowded field. that's the issue here. it is some crowded field of known people who serve the needs. there were people happy with bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and joe biden. how do you cut into that? >> kamala harris, the first or second debate had that moment where she challenged joe biden, she looked like a fighter and really tough. this shows she can go one-on-one with trump which is the most important characteristic any of these candidates need. >> pete buttigieg had this tremendous media strategy at the very beginning of the campaign when he talked to everybody and he was seen as a wide open candidate and gave access to everyone in the media. he got columns written about who's this young fresh base, it

was smart and that got him a little bit of an edge that they have not seen him in the media strategy to get into the top ten. you got to be savvy and i think it is great that msnbc and washington post debating with ten of these people. it is great that we have them on. it is harder for people who are less well known and that's the bottom line thing they have to go up against regardless of some racial biases. >> let me get larry in here. i think this is a real phenomenon and not antidotal. people are afraid. the idea that people can elect people like donald trump said something different when the country elected barack obama. the idea and even though donald trump lost the popular vote, the fact that there is any path for somebody who would page little kids and take them from their parents and people still support him, he still has a majority of

white support. muslims were banned and he's abusive in his language about women. all of these things do not turn off a majority of white voters, that scares people. well, maybe this is a country is not what i thought it was. maybe we need a white guy because maybe white voters will not just accept anything. that's a thinking that people had, they're afraid. do you think that fear that maybe some of the electorate had is why people standing behind joe biden. and you got bloomberg in there. do you think it is just fear? >> well, i have actually heard people say this is not a year for making history. which really translates into let's nominate a white male. it is hard to interpret it in

any other way. the motive behind it is one that i think the vast majority of democrats support which is the party should not take chances in beating trump. democrats i think regardless of a national emergency and an emergency requires a different kind of approach and answer but at the same time it does cut into the candidate field combined with the feedback loop between the media and their own polls. polls conducted by other people and the debates that are in there, too. there was almost a rush to eliminate candidates, get them off the stage, you saw them a lot on twitter. get them off the stage, half of those people should not be on stage. well, who are you to determine that? >> right. >> the whole point is we have an unusually large number of candidat candidates. they all ought to be given a shot. one other point, joy, i have also heard people say and producers, political producers

say and explaining why they are not covering candidates like senator harris more. well, they had their shots. they went up in the polls for a while and senator harris it was because in the first debate she went after biden. but then she went down again. well, i would remind people of 2004, the democratic contest it was john kerry that was absolutely written off. he gone up and down and people said he's out and he became the nominee. what happened with john mccain? 2008? everybody wrote him off. he had no money. who ended up as the nominee? john mccain. so you never know about these things. you have to think of campaigns as roller coasters. they are not straight lines. that would encourage coverage for more candidates. >> yeah. >> i agree with that. >> tiffany, go ahead. >> the media asking these questions. the media will ask hey how do

you plan winning some of these swing state voters. it is really a -- we can spend a whole hour debunking all the ridiculous story line. democrats don't need a majority of white voters to win a race. democrats have not won the majority of white vote since 1976 from the voting electorate. it does not look like that anymore. now we have to adjust how we interview these candidates and kamala harris shows an interesting thing that we have always known what craft the media. when you go to some of these community and you are talking about you are going to an hbcu and you belong to a black seniori seniori sorority, that's not going to resonate to everybody. it is always black voters, you

talk about white voters, white working class and suburban white voters, guess what, black voters aggregate in the same way. because she resonates for black suburban moms. >>s i am going to say the point you made is something that i was going to say at least a little bit differently. you are right in the sense where america is in fear. this idea that we could have come from barack obama and with donald trump. it is frighten to a lot of people. when i talk to a lot of voters, many of them say the exact same thing. we don't want to take a chance. there is no way a black person can win or a woman can win. i think that's one of the most successful things that donald trump has done. he has convinced america that we are not moving for fward and

people are grip with fear. remember after he won, there were so many articles about troum trump voters and working class voters. he was always about what they thought and want and how they are voting and what their needs are. most of america has adopted that in the sense where we want to make sure that whoever this nominee is that is a person that trump voters would like i think that's part of the prob larry, is that a legitimati mean the reality is to tiffany's point. i am sure carter, lbj was the last democrat to win the majority. carter may have split them. the idea that the whole crux of the campaign comes down to white working class voter who is are republicans. they're almost all republicans but the media is so fixated on them.

they're so obsessed of what they want and reinterviewing trump voters. do you like him now? what about today? do you like them today? >> right. all the time. >> no one else. >> it is only one-third of the u.s. population. >> is it the case that the growing portion of the electorate is the non-white working class socievoters, thate growing part, no? >> yes, you are absolutely right. you are correct. lbj was the last democratic candidate. this was 1964 to get a majority of the white vote. it is incredible when you think about that given the number of democratic candidates who won the presidency. nobody had been able to do that since johnson. here is the other problem. the media believes, still believes that there are millions

of swing voters who are ready to move away from trump and towards a democrat or for that matter in the other direction. we are living in the most polarized era of our lifetime. hardly everybody is moving. everybody is in their fox holes and no one is crossing the dnz. it is not going to happen next year either. >> i 100% agree. >> this is where the opportunity is. when we talk about the fact that we have not had a majority vote for a democratic candidate, we are kind of missing the fact that we have roughly 12 million young people that are eligible for the first time, they're going to be the largest voting block more than baby boomers. what efforts are we doing to close that voter registration gap. when they are registered, 79% of the vote. what are campaigns doing to close that registration gap. what are they doing to engage them and get them excited and

come out and vote. this is not politics as usual. if you don't vote, that's also a statement. if you stay home and not inspired because you don't see yourself in the system. that's also a statement, when trump is trying to create fear. he's also trying to make sure that people stay home. we have to think creatively. we know how to do this work and we have to make sure we are spending that. >> david. >> to get back to the candidates it is really the responsibility of every candidate when the field is this big to seize the imagination and excite the people and so in some ways i think kamala harris going back to where we started had a chance to do that and she had a little bit of successes this past week and criticism. i do think that all these other candidates are trying to edge their way in. it is difficult. they have to find a way to engage voters because they're up

against this name recognition barrier that's always been hard for every candidate who's not on the other side of it to breakthrough. >> i can't help but wondering what could the millions of dollars that a kouccouple of billionaires are about to spend. >> oh boy, don't get me started. >> i am just saying. midwin and tiffany will be back later on. i am just saying worse. david corn and larry sabato. thank you very much. >> come up. she wrote a mission because it is sunday from god. next. because it is sunday from god next make fitness routine with pure protein. high protein. low sugar. tastes great! high protein. low sugar. so good! high protein. low sugar. mmmm, birthday cake! pure protein. the best combination for every fitness routine.

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joining me now is robert p. jones. author of "white too long." the upcoming book that i can't wait to read. always good to talk with you, rob. i am going to call you robbie. it is great to see you. let's talk a little bit about this. i think when we think about

donald trump's base. people just think it is just white voters or 60% of white voters. you drill down a little bit deeper into it it is white evangelical voters with or without a college degree. can you explain? >> that's right. >> one of the remarkable consistency of trupmp's presidency. our latest polling the american value survey that came out after impeachment announcements, it had his approval rating of white evangelicals at 76%. that's where it has been. it has been a narrow ban since 80%. it is right there no matter what goes on. why they approve of trump whether anything he could do to lose their support, we had a little less of a third of them saying there is virtually nothing he can do to lose their support. that's how many are really locked in among his base.

when we look at white evangelicals on impeachment, we are right at that number of saying opposing impeachment. if you look at republicans, white evangelicals who are republicans who oppose impeaching president trump from office. >> i want to leave that number up. put that number right backup. the second part of that poll, the second number from the pr poll, i encourage everyone to read the pr poll. it is so good and interesting data. 63% of white evangelicals say that donald trump has not hurt the dignity of the presidency. i grew up in church, robert, the idea that a christian of any race would say somebody that speaks the way he speaks and treats the way he treats other

people, does not comport himself with dignity as a leader and who's locked up children. it is shocking to be still. i don't know why i still have the capacity to be shocked. is it surprising to you to see two-thirds that why evangelicals say the things that we have seen this man do had not hurt the dignity of his presidency. >> it is surprising but it is not. we seen consistency and no matter which policies are put forward. do y there is a little bit of difference here where we have less of a majority supporting donald trump is on the family separation issues. there is not a strong majority

opposing them there. that's you know something you would expect 80% of the evangelicals to oppose. we don't see that. there is a compassionate issue here around immigration, that's it. there is a family values here. that's it. everyo and if you put that other piece back. terrorism immigration and healthcare, when i look at that, just looking at the under line data and being familiar of the work that you have done, i read it as he's banning muslims, i like that if i am a trump voter. he's locking up and deporting brown people. on healthcare, he's going to take away obamacare. i am sorry, i read race into this. the driving force is race, am i wrong? >> well, you know, here is the thing. when we look at those issues and what we see is how they fit into

a package that's also pushing back on the changing demographics in the country. that's all of those things. we ban refugees and the majority of the muslim country and we shut down the border here at home. when you hear him talking about make america great again, it is that big picture, keeping the 1950s america around that i think is three quarters of evangelicals say they rather go back to 1950s america. that's kind of the vision america they have. it is a vision that trump is going to put forward. race is apart of that picture and no longer dominate angle prominent of america. it is a diverse america that we see. with us now and moving more that direction. i think it is that big shift that holds all of this will stuff together. it is cultural identity, it is race and racism and it is fear and anxiety over a changing

america. >> so i guess it is also about helping the rich because in some weird ways that ministry believes it is well equal to god, it is strange. >> the one thing i would say there is we have seen for some time white evangelicals sort of giving their political ethics to president trump and his take to the republican party. i think this raise an appointment and on another wheel, what we are seeing is as giving over and why evangelicals are giving over their faith to the gospel. that prosperity gospel has traditionally been a christian. instead of being about the widow or the orphan or people who will -- and the strangers, those are the immigrants. instead of protecting those

vulnerable people. replacing them with health and well and personal success. that's the traditional gospel on its head. the fact that we have not seen any great out cry among white evangelical leaders. tell us something and how far over and not just giving over politics but over their faith to the trump administration. >> donald trump is the wolf king, he's going to protect the old version america that people want in his camp. robert jones, it is a treat to talk to you. >> thank you. >> more "a.m. joy" after the break. >> more "a.m. joy" after the break. .♪ ♪when you pine for the sunshine of a friendly gaze.♪ ♪for the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.♪

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why were the ukrainians asking concerns about that well before september 5th. nobody ever raised the issue of the military funding being withheld. >> this is the way i have said it to president zelensky, this is the timing issue. this is the end -- >> let me ask you about the timing issue. >> so senator, three weeks left in fiscal career. >> there is another possible explanation. >> he tried, he tried. >> senator ron johnson, republican ron johnson at the heart of the ukraine explanat n

explanation. >> tiffany cross and midwin. let me go to you first, tiffany. they need to come up with an excuse because donald trump admitted to the crime. he robbed a bank, and his friends saying well, he was trying to withdraw money and the vault was open. who among was would not take more. what do you make of ron johnson's uptake? >> he's been out here banging trump is my god for a long time. we have to start asking some of these republican sycophants, have anyone promised you anything for your blinding support for this president because it begs believes and the problem is they're talking to

the general american public the same way they talk to people at maga crowd and guess what, that dog does not hunt. you have discernment when republicans come on tv and say hey, the american people don't want this impeachment. these republicans don't represent the american people. trump supporters don't make up a majority of the american people. they don't make up the majority of the american electorate. when you look at restricting and voters of effort. the republican crew that's representing a tiny portion that's leading to a crisis for our democracy. ron johnson has some sort of conflicts of interests just like graham and the rest of the crew. has anybody offered you anything in exchange for your blind support to come on air and say what your eyes saw you didn't see and what your ears heard you didn't hear. you can't sit in our face and tell us it rains.

we have a little more intellectual curiosity than the average person at the maga crowd. we do know that donald trump has been very open about saying hey, election money is on the table. maybe the thing that they are thinking about is will donald trump share some of the loops that he got from selling pins and hats to the border. they may one want some of that money. he has a clear record of quid pro quo for political candidates. >> aka, bribery. if you know what quid pro quo means. >> dignity is not important. it is is not needed in order to be a functioning adult in the united states. here is lindsey graham on with

maria bataroma. the legitimacy of any action that would hurt his best friend. >> your colleagues say you won't watch and look at the transcript, is that the answer? >> the whole thing is a joke. i don't want to linltize what i think is a joke. the whole thing is being drirch about adam schiff. the counsel is shut out. we have never done an impeachment this way. >> lindsey graham part picipate in the impeachment of the president. he rocked around as he was doing god's business for president clinton and this is what he's now. do you have any explanation as to why he's this guy now? >> does the president have anything that you want? are there any third party

foreign actors that may have anything you want? the lindsey graham that we see today does not recognize the lindsey graham of two or three years ago, period. >> when you start understanding what he's saying, this is not how we do it. this is how we have done impeachment. the way it carries out impeachment rules now was not by democratic control house. it was set by john boehner and approved by republican control house. everything up to this point that's happening in the u.s. congress has been actually designated by the rules of the republicans establishment has created. that's absolute nonsense. we need to get more curious and understand why and asking harder questions. why you have a group of republicans that don't want to budge. but, from what i have been able to gather from folks on the senate side, the only republican that we should be talking to and perhaps start asking questions where he may stand is lamar alexander. he actually went and contested

mitch connell last time around. his mentor was a republican who went and was supportive of richard nixon at the time. he was the one that went to nixon, the gig is up. the republicans are going to have to make the vote. i would look at him closely because still behind closed doors that many republicans find it unseemingly but they need the leadership. they need osomeone to help them carry this out. >> the reality is they can get it all -- think of the op-ed, they came really close. people come close to it apparently. they could have it with pence, too. why he clings to trump specifically. let me play another place of lindsey graham for midwin. i am going to ask you this question again, when it comes to the whistleblower's being

attacked. >> it is impossible to bring this case fairly without us knowing who the whistleblower is and having a chance to cross examine him about any biases they may have. if they don't call the whistleblower in the house, this thing is dead on arrival in the senate. if the whistleblower had a connection to the democratic candidate, that would be stunning. when you find out who the whistleblower is, i am confident, you got to find out if they have interaction with the shift. >> this guy was a house member before. at least he was in the house when bill clinton was president. he was part of the deep state and been in government. he has not had a normal job outside of government since the '90s. he wants to interrogate. i don't understand what he is

but maybe he's always is because he was able to hide behind john mccain. >> is it illegal of what he's doing? >> absolutely. it is illegal and immoral and against the constitution. two things, this whole idea about we need to know who the whistleblower is a complete utter -- we don't need the whistleblower. it is like saying the person calling 911, we need the person. the fireman came and they put the fire out and you want to question the 911 call. was there a fire? it does not make any sense. why don't we need the whistleblower? donald trump himself already said that he was going to not release the aide to ukraine unless they did something for him. the pseudo transcript that he released also, hey, i need you to do a favor though. we don't need the whistleblower. guess what, at around the time

that this became news and made available to the american public, that was when the aide was released. the aide was held up until the whistleblower came out. the whistleblower coming out. can we get something for the audience that's been follow tin this blow by blow. the president of ukraine is going to be booked on cnn to go on television and do as he was told to do and he's going to go on with fareed zakaria, it was booked. he's going to go on and come up with this, i am going to investigate biden, they want to use the word biden and burisma and announce he's going to designate this insane conspiracy theory. you don't need the whistleblower for that. we'll keep everybody here because when we come back yes,

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>> all right. we don't want to keep you waiting for a second longer. it is finally time for you to find out who won the week. tiffany cross, who won the week? >> really? we usually save the best for last, but i will go first. no problem. >> oh, look at that. yes. >> that is joy. >> and so, come on now, queen. we shook it up today. we shook it. >> my who won the week is first lady michelle obama not only because of franklin pierce boston haerld university said that she would top the field if she ever decided to get into the race, and we know it is not going to happen, because she has been clear, but she did announce the voting squad which is part of the gotv effort, and it is

tracee ellis ross, and shonda and so many others. and they have reached over 2,500 local organizers and they had a digital footprint that reached over 200 million people, and so marie is a terresa kumar's poin, that young voters are going to be a huge part of this and for first time hispanic voters will eclipse black voters and not registered, but eligible. and so she going to tap into the next phase of democracy and go flow tus flotus. >> yes. it is the registering them, and attention all of the btoof the billionaires, register them if you want to win elections. teresa kumar

>> well, for the second year, one of the founding partners of michelle obama's campaign and we are 1,000% there, but who won the week, and how do we franchise the democracy and i say that hands down the daca recipients got out in the cold and got the communities to march tout talk about the supreme court is about to hear opening arguments based on the destiny of the trumped up administration saying they should not be here, and the fact that in oklahoma there was a whole high school district, excuse me school district, and whole district, joy, who not only is the daca recipients walked out, but the teachers and the allies and it is a issue close to american, and talk about someone who is working across the margins to say we don't have a way to vote,s but we are using protests and using our friends the get out the vote. it is brave. >> when you are an activist with a hostile federal government staring you down and in the risk

they are specifically since immigration is his favorite, you know, sort of the whipping boy of the president of the united states, they are super brave, and this is a good answer. okay. a tough win, midwin. you have to come with mobama and the daca recipients and who won the week? >> i say former u.s. ambassador to the european union gordon sondland for having an epiphany and a turn of the recollection and refreshing the recollection and something they did at the deposition, refreshing the recollection about the testimony, and behind, you know, closed doors in the impeachment hearings where he said all of the sudden he remembers that donald trump did instruct him to engage in the quid pro quo with ukraine and investing the bidens and what have you, and one of the reasons that he won the week is that it is important as an attorney that we maintain the law and order and while he now

recognizes that he may have committed perjury the first time around, i think that it it is great to recognize the importance. >> and those testifying are the brave ones, because think did not care what the white house said. >> fiona hill. >> yes. and so, here is mine, and hate the go against michelle obama, and whoever knows her, tell her to turn off the tv because i want her to be my friend, but who twon week this week was the ladies of "the view." and let me tell you something sometimes -- >> it is the truth. >> and so i have to give my former co-worker abby huntsman who is one of of the loveliest people ever, and i wanted to play you abby and then sunny. and abby coming for it when donald trump jr. who by the way needed his girlfriend with him to be courageous enough to show up to the "view" and this is

what he did. >> to release the name is to intimidate or the threaten someone or the scare someone else from coming out, and that is something that the dictators do. i have lived in china and ahave seen it firsthand and that is not what america does and we stand by the people, and why did you want to release the name? >> quickly, play sunny real quick. >> nothing was withheld and the other guy on the other side said that i have no idea what you said and nobody had any idea that the aid was being with held. >> who? >> the guy in ukraine. >> that is a lie, because military aid was withheld. >> and no one knew about it in the ukraineis no quid pro quo. >> mic drop. thank you to the panelists and come through abby and sunny. more "a.m. joy" after the break. . with chantix you can keep smoking at first

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see you guys next week. here's alex. >> whoa, way too fast. we have no time to go back and forth. okay. i will take it. bye. >> love you. >> love you, too. >> okay. everyone, good day from msnbc headquarters and high noon here in the east and 9:00 a.m. in the west. welcome the "weekends with alex witt" and the impeachment inquiry preview, and what is going to happen this week. putting the acts of the president on full display. and the sunday talk shows and both parties