democrats say they're madder than republicans. the idea that i'm a stranger in my cupp my country, now democrats are feeling that even more than republicans. >> we're going to be reading axios a.m. in just a little bit. don't forget you can sign up for the newsletter by going to ox ox. >> that dosignup.axios.com. >> "morning joe" starts right now. why didn't you deny calling the president a moran? >> you know, that's a really old question. >> you understand that by not answering the question some people thought you were confirming the story. >> i think i've answered the question. >> you think you answered the question? >> i've answered the question. >> i said whatever you do, don't hire a yes man, someone that's going to tell you -- won't tell you the truth. don't do that. because if you do, i believe you'll be impeached.

>> according to nikki haley, rex tillingson and john kelly tried to recruit her to undermine president trump in an effort to save the country. big news this morning. good morning and welcome to "morning joe" if the is monday, november 11th. veterans day. with us we have white house reporter for "the associated press," jonathan lemire. former chief of staff for the triple "c" and adrienne elrod. she's an msnbc contributor. and nbc news correspondent hans nichols joins us, and former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense and msnbc news national security analyst jeremy bash. a lot to get to but there was a big game this weekend. >> there was. liverpool ended up beating man city 3-1, that's what all the kids are talking about. there also was a little game that went on in tuscaloosa,

alabama, and then -- >> ouch. >> you were there, jonathan lemire. the curse, i mean, of the banbino, you're covering it, the curse is secondary now as the kids are saying the curse of trump. curse of the bamboozler as my beloved alabama loses to ls zblurlsu. >> the president was in the midst after i run of sporting events. he was at the world series game 5 where he was booed. following that he was here in new york city for a ufc match where the response was decide lid split. but as you can see here in this video, he received a roaring ovation in tuscaloosa on saturday ahead of the alabama/lsu game and stuck around for what are was a

classic game. i know your team did lose there in the end, joe. but this is something the president wanted. in the backdrop, of course, is that it comes as jeff sessions, his former allied turn foe, who he is still very, very angry from recusing himself from the russia probe announced he could be jumping back in the race to get his old seat. the president has said at least so far he said he will hold his tongue. but it should be noted, he brought one of sessions rivals for the seat to sit with him at the game. >> i was going to say, i never thought i would see the day where brian denny stadium would actually come complete with a viewing stand where you could would have some candidates allowed to sit next to bresmnav

and others, jeffrey sessions, not allowed to sit next to donald trump. >> i'm not sure he was part of the tailgate festivities outside the stadium. but liverpool, a commanding lead, though early in the season so far. >> it's early. >> yeah. >> it's crazy. you know, if you follow english premier football, usually after the first or second match they'll go that's the season, it's all over. it's a very long season, and, boy, what a long game. it was a great game. alabama down 33-13 at halftime, came back and of course mika waswas watching. >> i was. >> and mika's mom was watching and they got to hear me scream louder at a television set than they've ever heard before if the was all -- a fun time had for all. >> when joe left the room she goes i like the ones in purple. >> she's cheering for lsu. >> she loved that incredible catch where the guy was just out but he was in, does that make sense?

>> yes. >> in a moment, we'll get to what will be -- >> i like the ones in purple. what is that? she whispered it to me, purple and yellow. in a moment we'll go to what will a very big week in the impeachment inquiry, but first some really interesting new poll numbers to tell you about. the latest numbers from new york siena poll shows joe biden leads the democratic field in five of the six states. biden has an eight to nine-point advantage in arizona, florida, michigan. in north carolina, biden is ahead by 14 points and up 12 points in pennsylvania. in wisconsin, biden and senator elizabeth warren are statistically tied for first. >> adrienne, here we go again. joe biden fairs well not only against donald trump in the swing states, he fears much better against democrats themselves in this intramural battle in the swing states.

again, the question, it's a question a lot of people are asking because they're trying to figure out if biden is going to make it to south carolina if he finished in fourth in iowa and new hampshire, the question is will joe biden ever be given an opportunity to show where his strength lies? >> yeah. well, joe, that's had the big question here. we know in a lot of states there are still voters who are undecided, still a significant number of voters who are undecided, but joe biden has remained at the top of the polls in some of these very key battlegrounds, despite what donald trump has been trying to do with impeachment and the ukraine situation. he is still remaining on top. and the question becomes, where are things in december? where are things january? we know that when people -- when family's go home for thanksgiving and have long conversations, they're off work for a couple days, that's when people start to solidify their decisions in terms of who they're supporting in this primary. so far, though, joe biden, despite the fact he's had some campaign stumbles especially on

the fundraising front, he still remains on top. so it's going to be interesting to see how the next few weeks shake out, when voters really start to make their decisions. >> yeah, you know, mika, it's really a tale two of races. the first are those early states, iowa, new hampshire where joe biden's not doing well. but if you move beyond that and look at south carolina, most of the other states around the country, joe biden's doing well. but, again, how does biden with a poor finish in iowa, a poor finish in new hampshire and still stick around? >> does momentum shift? >> does momentum shift? there is a solution to that. joe biden can actually double down in iowa and actually have a strong showing there. because a strong showing by joe biden in iowa. >> would be good. >> -- actually like barack obama in 2008 really paves the way towards a nomination win would

do it. but right now he can't gain any momentum in the first state. and more on mayor michael blook be bloomberg potentially entering the went 20 rate. they stay was partially a trial balloon to gain interest and preserve his options. but bloomberg's own extensive polling remains far from convincing reportedly showing big and perhaps insurmountable hurdles, particularly if former vice president joe biden stays in the race. a new morning consult political poll puts bloomberg in sixth place among other democratic presidential hopefuls, while a hypothetical matchup shows the former new york city mayor six points ahead of president trump, fairly similar to the other top democratic candidates. andon th and, jonathan lemire, what do you make of these numbers? these are a good gauge for him.

i'm seeing a lot of people say please buy fox news, please make that your first campaign move. he does have the money. >> oh, he certainly does. he could buy fox news a couple times over, i think. there's been some of that from the democratic field right now, suggesting that if bloomberg wanted to make a positive impact on this race, he should use his money in a different fashion, perhaps if he's concerned about -- if he is concerned about joe biden and wants to support another moderate candidate, then donate another couple million thads would back amy klobuchar or cory booker or something lightning that. like that. his tenure here in new york city was a very successful mayor. but some of the positions he holds are out of step with where the democratic party is right now. his defensive stop and frisk say large one and not the only one, even though he's very, very good according to democrats on issues like gun control and climate change. it remains to be seen. it's a gamble.

we're hearing his aides saying he's going to skip the first couple contests and just go all in on super tuesday in some of the big states like california where he can use his basically unlimited resources to be a factor there. perhaps, i think if he does that that would be detrimental to joe biden which might help elizabeth warren and bernie sanders who bloomberg is concerned might grab the nomination. but i think we need to wait here. there's a chance in the next few days before new hampshire that he does take a look at the field ver da field, he is clear i'd. he may not eventually jump in. >> and therein lies one of the problems with the decision making as it pertains to michael bloomberg and the people around michael bloomberg. it is so data driven that, you know, sometimes he cuts himself off and he has in the past because he doesn't see it right

there in the data in front of him. but data's always changing. you look at donald trump four years ago. the data wasn't there for donald trump. he was not liked in the republican party, he had very high disapproval ratings in the republican party, that's why people were constantly saying there was no way he would ever win. well, michael bloomberg, if he looks at the data as it is right now before he gets into the race and has a chance to shape it, he's not going to jump into the case race race. when he gets into the race he may end up polling 4%, 5%, 6%, but you never know. this is a year where you can throw all the predictions out the window because, again, maybe mayor pete wins iowa, maybe elizabeth warren wins south carolina, and at that point joe biden may not even be in the race. and bloomberg could be off to the races. and, yes, there's a risk that

biden does well in one of those early states. but, again, that's what politics is about. >> moving parts. >> there are always moving parts and you have to be able to respond and be nimble every second of a campaign. and so if he's just sitting there in new york staring at data, you will remain frozen for the rest of his life. >> got to put some gut into it. >> yeah. now to the news. former ambassador to the united nations nikki haley claims in her new book that she refused attempts by two of president trump's top advisers, former secretary of state rex tillerson and former white house chief of staff john kelly to undermine the president. haley writes kelly and tillerson confided in me when she resisted the president, they weren't being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country. it was their decisions, not the president, that were in the best

interests of america, they said. the president didn't know what he was doing. she also wrote that tillerson told her that the reason he resisted the president's decisions was because if he didn't, people would die. when asked about the quotes, haley stood by them in a recent interview. >> it absolutely happened. and instead of saying that to me, they should have been saying that to the president, not asking me to join them on their side bar plan. it should have been, go tell the president what you're differences are and quit if you don't like what he's doing. but to undermine a president is really a very dangerous thing. and it goes against the constitution and it goes against what the american people want. it was offensive. >> tillerson didn't provide immediate comment to nbc news and kelly told "the washington post," quote, if giving trump trump the best advice across the

continent so he can make an informed decision goes against trump, then guilty as charged. haley praised him in a tweet yesterday, of course, promoting her new book. jeremy bash, nickki haley is no dumb. but she's not playing a game here sfwlr it here. >> it's staggering. >> we've heard this from the administration time and time again, people have ignored the president's orders because they were illegal. the president has ordered cabinet members to actually execute orders that are illegal. there are other times that nikki haley is right, there are times that tillerson, kelly, mattis pushed back on what donald trump was trying to do because people

would die, people would get killed. oh, wait, what example could we bring schnupp example could we ? oh, here's one, syria. they pushed back on the president pulling out of syria and turning it over to vladimir putin and russia for months. and when he found cohe could no longer push back anymore, it was general mattis who did resign. and so -- >> they did quit. >> all these people did quit. they got cleared out and guess what? people died. turkey began an ethnic cleansing of the kurds. so, yeah, yeah, nikki haley's right, people were pushing back on the president's worst instincts when everybody inside the white house, including nikki haley, nikki haley especially knew that donald j. trump was not up to being commander and chief. and without help, he was going to get a lot of people killed.

>> yeah. this, joe, is revisionist history here because nikki hail whether i she was serving as enambassador also opposed some of the policies that president trump was advancing. she was there aligned with till letterson a tillerson and take us nearly to a situation some john kelly has told people we nearly got ourselves into a nuclear tit for tat with north koreans. this is an attempt to realign herself with what sheer percei as a stronger base as a finger in the wind to sell books but to also say, mr. president, i'm with you and if you should go down, by the way, if you are removed from office or somehow you don't win again, i want to be the one to pick up the mantle of trumpism. i think this is a bad look for her because i think it not only

is inconsistent with where she's been, but it also puts her on the wrong side of history about some of these big policy decisions. >> another question is, did she raise these matters with the president? if rex tillerson or john kelly were undermining, in her belief, did she go to donald trump? and let me ask you this. this is also a way, we've seen this before. there's been speculation in washington, we've had months where people wonder about the future of mike pence on this ticket. it seems like that happens every time nikki haley does something and she's the rumored candidate. she's raised the issue only to knock it down. where do you see this going? >> when i initially read these comments i thought, oh, wow, this is big. and she didn't talk about the 25th amendment. and what she's alleging kelly to have done, what she's alleging tillerson to have done is basically bureau rattcratic infighting. she didn't go to the president and say kelly is would against

you, you should fire him. if she went to him and said, they went and talked about the 25th amendment, we'd be talking about that. this is her positioning herself for 20, 24. let's skip ahead. let's not do 2020, we can think in four-year cycles. what's interesting about nikki haley is she always finds a way continue to certify herself in the news cycle but preserve both sides of it. she can still claim to be, well, i was against the president but i privately counseled him on whatever subject comes out of fashion in 2024. and right now she's sticking close to him. i think the pence stuff is interesting, but until someone says that from the inside and it's not anonymous, i think a lot of this is morning chitchat. but can we do klopp, let's go back to that? jurgen klopp versus nick saban, give them a basketball team, who

would you rather have them coach? >> i can't answer that question. >> jurgen klopp is more of a cultural and throw po anthropologist. it's monday morning, let's have some fun. >> why don't we have lemire that question. lemire, saban or klopp with the turkish basketball team? >> the answer is red sox manager alex cora, joe. >> very bad -- >> okay. i don't know what you guys are talking about. >> no passing in baseball. >> excuse me, hans, with your morning chitchat, but -- >> i will say klopp is extraordinary. go ahead. >> i don't think that this nikki haley news is morning chitchat. i think that she's put out a book that she thinks positions herself for vice president because maybe pence is on the line or something. but if you read it, and you look at what she says, she basically talks about tillerson and kelly,

you could add mattis to the mix doing a valeant effort to deal with something nobody's ever seen before that seems insidious and bad for this country and that people will die. and she says that if you don't like it, quit. let me check, i think they did. and as you pointed out, people died. and so, you know, we have to, like, actually elevate what's important about this book. and i actually don't think it's what nikki haley or the president who might be probably working together given the fact that he got -- he gave her the stamp of approval on his twitter, you know, right after the interview aired, i don't think they're getting what they want out of this book because it's actually backing up what exactly has happened and that there are patriots who tried their best inside the white house and then had to leave. >> yeah. i mean, patriots inside the white house -- >> if it you don't like it, quit. they did. >> the patriots inside white house that actually were doing the work not of liberals or the deep state, but of republicans

on capitol hill who were talking to them all along about pushing back on the president on syria, push back on the president turning the middle east over to iran, pushing back on the president turning the middle east back over to isis, pushing back on the president turning the middle east over to vladimir putin and assad and iran to let them take over and run roughshod and actually threaten israel's standing in that region. so if nikki haley were doing this to actually burn her credentials with even the entire republican party, that certainly didn't work. but you know, mika, this wasn't about the whole republican party. this wasn't about the trump press. this wasn't -- i mean there are wasn't even about book buyers. >> no. >> for nikki haley there are was an audience of one s.

>> yeah. >> she's putting herself in position to be mike pence's replacement if the president decides he needs to replace mike pence. and this was an audition, just like bob barr wrote that memo that donald trump fell for hook, line, and sinker and become attorney general, that's exactly what this book is all about. and, you know, i do have to follow up with what hans said andon th and jonathan la year that she's made bureaucratic infighting sound treasonness. this not only happens in the trump administration, this happened in the bush administration, it happened in the clinton administration, it happens in every administration. it's called bureaucratic infighting. and i just -- i just wonder, how many times did nikki haley go to

the president of the united states? did she go right after tillerson and kelly said something to her some because if she didn't, and she thought this was disloyal, then she, too, was being disloyal. she heard a conspiracy, in her mind, against the president. did she act on it? of course the president will lie to me and say she came to me several times. no, that would have made the news. jonathan lemire, i'll ask you in closing, was there one time, one time that you ever heard of nikki haley running to the president of the united states -- >> stepping up. >> -- and complaining in realtime that general kelly or rex tillerson or general mattis were being insubordinate to the president of the united states? >> not according to the reporting that we've seen so far that we've heard, no. she remembered complaining about larry kudlow and that incident early on in the administration when she felt like she was being kept out of the loop on

something. but, no. that's a question that needs to be put to the president today. whether he answers truthfully remains to be seen. and to ambassador haley. if this is something you believe was a plot to bring down this administration from within, did you raise this with the president? >> and if you thought it was so wrong, why didn't you do anything. still ahead, we mentioned mayor pete's position in the polls. he's at the center of several big stories over of the weekend, but first impeachment inquiry into president trump. we'll break down who's testifying, who's not, at least not yet. john bolton could have plenty to add to the investigation. and as we go to break, some breaking news from capitol hill. republican congressman peter king has just announced he will not run for re-election in 2020. the new york republican said that after spending four days a week in washington, it is time to end the weekly commute. king says his decision was not an easy one adding his poll

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29 past the hour. a live look at capitol hill as the sun comes up over washington. it's expected to be a busy week in the impeachment probes that now moves from behind closed doors to public proceedings. hearings are expected to open wednesday with exacting ambassador of the uk bill taylor to testified he was told everything ukraine wanted. military aid and a white house visit were contingent on announcing investigations into the 2016 election and the

bidens. senior state department official george kent is also set to testify publicly on wednesday. he also told lawmakers that a white house visit was contingent on a promise from ukraine to launch those investigations. and on friday, ousted u.s. ambassador marie yovanovitch is expected to testify. she's already told impeachment investigators that she felt threatened when president trump told ukraine's president in that july 25th phone call that she would, quote, go through some things. >> yeah. i wonder why. what a thuggish. what a thuggish thing for a president, any president to say. of course -- >> it's hard enough to be an ambassador. >> it certainly. >> let alone to have your president undermining you and threatening you. >> exactly. so, jeremy bash, let me ask you, what should we expect this week in the testimony from taylor,

kent and, yovanovitch? >> think they're smart to lead off with bill taylor. he's a foreign service officer. he started as an army officer serving in vietnam, serving in the 101st airborne, he's got combat experience. he's devoted his life to public service. he's served ever president, republican, and democrat since the 1980s. he's not a political figure. if anything, he was recruited by this administration by secretary pompeo earlier this year to come over and take back his old job as the president's envoy to ukraine. he's not a never trumper, he's not a democrat, he's a career public service official. he's going to say very clearly i was there, i was in the discussions. the shakedown demand was clear as a bell. the united states was not going to give military assistance, they were not going to offer a white house visit unless they

investigated president trump's critic and it's going to be straightforward and a good leadoff day for the democrats. >> jonathan, i want to ask you a question and then you can go to hans and ask him whatever sort of secretary versus tyson boxing match you want to ask. >> morning chitchat, you know. >> who would win in a match. old simpson's reference, by the way. what does the president fear the most in this coming peweek of testimony? >> if there's anyone out there who is aware of the power of televised visuals, those images, it's president trump who has spent his whole career as a television reality host and everything about his campaign and presidency trying to project power, trying to dominate the cable news landscape. and that's what's going to happen this week. the republicans to this point have been fighting mostly just on process and thousand that's going

now that's going to go away. they claimed this was being done in the basement and fixed on the location, it's a matter of geography, not secrecy. hans i think we can anticipate a little bit what we'll hear from the president. a lot of angry tweets. but there's no formal war room. what do you see coming? >> whether or not those people will be able to manage -- >> right. >> i think when he something significant late saturday night from the president's twitter feed, that is he directly seemed to be attacking marie yovanovitch, all but called her a lawyer. before, he was like she sounds like a nice lady. in the past she's generally talked about all of these witnesses being never trumpers. this is the first time he's districtly challen directly challenge and attacked her. this next phase will be more public and there will be more attention, but it's going to get really messy and ugly. we'll see to what extent the

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was a may da ma raid. >> that's right, i was invite. i'm thinking about it. that's right the middle of our campaign season, but i am thinking i would certainly think about it. president putin invited me to the -- that's a very big -- it's a very big deal. celebrating the end of the war, et cetera, et cetera. very big deal. so i appreciate the invitation. it is right in the middle of political season, so i'll see if i can do it. but i would love to go if i could. >> president trump on friday saying that he's considering accepting president vladimir putin's invitation to attend russia's victory day festivities next year. but the 2020 election cycle might get in the way of that. >> so, hans, let me start with

you before theres this collective gas that donald trump would actually go to russia to celebrate the end of the war. i saw ambassador burns, nick burns and the others talk about the fact that, wait a second, russia really along with britain, russia was our most critical ally during world war ii. the russians sacrificed more lives. >> yeah. >> gave more in that war just exponentially than any other country on the planet because -- because of hitler's invasion of russia and just the millions and millions of russians who died. i've always felt a little strange that even in the d-day ceremonies that there wasn't a russian presence. >> yeah. >> it seems to me on this anniversary of the ending of the war at some point we all have to

say, okay, hold on, let's just have a political armistice here and figure out a way to recognize russia for all the help they provided us in world war ii along with all the other allies in winning that war. >> it's a nice sentiment. i don't know if our -- if our politics right now allows us to pause and to take note and to honor the sacrifice on our end. obviously it's veterans' day today. the sacrifices the russians had as they're pushing west across the river in april of '45, they can see berlin in the distance and yet they're still suffering so many defeats, think what's interesting to me about the potential may visit, let's not forget the president suggested he might be going to india next year, is the may visit right after we have the g7 in america. we don't know where it's going to be. we know where it's not going to be, it's not going to be at mar-a-lago. and the president has held out

inviting p inviting putin. so you have these dueling visits in may. let's think about what the world will look like. you could have a democratic primary that's continuing to go on. the president's going to be -- we have no idea what's going to happen in iran, north korea. the pageantry of the trump administration they're always thinking another step ahead on how they can dominate news cycles. it's going to be fascinating. at this point i want to take back by morning chitchat conversation. permission to clarify? on all these books, when we hear something that's like going to be so devastating, so damning about the trump administration, no one ever really owns it, right? we thought mattis would come out and tell us everything. but mattis was pretty mild in his. and i felt the same thing about nikkei haley nikkei nikki haley's book. none of us have the full book

except for a few excerpts. they doesn't give us anecdotes on which to hang a story. >> right. >> i think the trump administration that is so in narratives and understands it better than most of us, we see that when the announces the baghdadi raid. he gives us this play by play l -- may now the be true but he gives us the play by play. weren't we all looking forward to anonymous? did anonymous have that many anecdotes? whenever you talk to normer administration officials what's it like in there in is it more or less crazy than i expect it to be? they always say more crazy. tell me. give me a detail. i feel like you're talking to your kids and you ask them how school is, fine? not good. tell me. did you bet beat get beat up? did something happen.

>> i get that. >> i thought it was fun. >> i this is nikki haley being careful, trying to have it both ways and making bureaucratic infighting, again, sound much worse than it is. i'm just curious, jeremy bash, what your thoughts are. i'm not saying donald trump should go to russia. i think -- i think, though, at some point the united states needs to recognize in a very public way the remarkable sacrifice the russian people made in the defeat of hitler, the along with all of our other allies. but i'm just wondering whether donald trump can actually be that president because of everything that's preceded it. and the fact that there are a lot of people in america who believe that donald trump is either an agent of russia or at least a useful idiot. >> so let him lay a wreath at the world war ii memorial on the national mall. he doesn't have to go be putin's prop in a mayday parade which is clearly just an effort by putin

to put his arm around trump and say we're work together. and how is that going for america? i just got back friday from the middle east from a country around syria and the clear message was is that with america's withdraw from syria, who has moved in? russia has moved in. iran has moved in. they're threatening a land bridge between iran, iraq, syria, lebanon. h b his ba low is growing in strength in the is all as they see it america is withdrawn. they don't say trump withdrawing. they say america is withdrawing. whatever he's doing with putin has been to the detriment of national security. >> agree. >> jeremy and hans, thanks to you both come back for some chit cat. joe says it might be his

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the legendary ringo starr is back with both a new album entitled "what's my name" and a new book entitled "another day in the life" featuring hundreds of photographs shot by ringo and pulled from the beatles archives. you should have been in heaven talking with him. >> i was. another day in the life has shots, extraordinary shots with from his time with the beatles. ringo, always you can go back to a hard day's night and you see him in that iconic scene going around taking photographs. it's very cool. there are a lot of shots of him shooting with his iphone.

and he just talks about, he's a guy that's been taking pictures for ever 50 years how remarkable the iphone camera is. you see a lot of montages here. but what an incredible book that is "another day in the life" a great christmas gift for any beetle fan. >> and in one of joe's favorite interviewers ever, he sat down with him for a wide ranging discussion. he started it discussing beetle plainia and h mania and how his life changed forever in 1964. >> everything exploded. it's like the super nova that exploded. and since then you can't walk across the street without people stopping you, taking a picture. i remember paul mccartney talking about it saying he made a decision early on, he went to france, drove around and said i do really want to live this way the rest of my life?

he said he remembered making a conscious decision going, yeah, it's worth it. was there ever a time where you just said, man, the price is too high? i wish i would have been -- like in the early documentaries i'd say, oh, you wanted to save enough money so maybe you'd have a hair salon. >> and i'm still being bombarded with that. >> are you really? >> you say severing things your life and you pay for it and that's one of them. >> thank you very much. >> and we didn't know it would be so big. but, you know, the decision you made, it was that we were bombarded day and night. and very little space. little john and i went in the holiday poll. we all did holidays and we weren't that recognized then so we could have a good time. the pressure did start to hit and if you look at ron howard's documentary on us, you can see us getting grayer. we're getting gray and we're

like -- >> suffocating. >> it was getting harsh, we stopped touring. and we did some really good things in the studio. but the other thing we had to say, or i had to say, i can't speak to them, is that i'm going to the movies. i'm going out. we're going to a -- you know, whatever. and that's how it is. >> you do it. >> you just got to do it. >> you can't hypide. there's always stories about the white album being so hard and that abby road was somehow this wonderful, magical, happy moment. but had to still be tough, right, for you guys? >> there was discussions, meaningful discussions. i mean, the white album, my response was, well, i left the band. i didn't feel i was playing and everybody knows the story, i went to john, knocked on his door, he was in the apartment i owned but with yoko, and i said

i feel like i'm not playing that great and you three are so close. he goes i thought it was you three. so i go to paul, knock knock, because that's what i'm like. and i said renault, i'm not playing great and you three seem so close. he said i thought it was you through. so i said, i'm out. >> when we cameny walked pa in, past the gallery with your photographs. there's this really cool shot of a carful of fans. >> oh, yeah. >> that's an awesome picture. do you remember where that was? >> yeah, it was when we landed at the -- in new york the first time. and i had my camera with me, and these kids had heard we were coming and they drove to the airport and then they just sort of followed our car. but anyway, they came right in line with us.

and they were, you can see by the picture they're looking at us. and i thought, i'm just -- i had the camera. i used to have the camera all the time then. i'm like that is so great, new york and the kids, you know. so they actually made it happen because they just came right alongside us, not just following, you know. >> but, being a photographer, you've got to see the moment, find the moment, and take the picture. >> well, you've got to -- yeah, you've just got to take it. >> i actually grow old with me -- >> john's version. >> yeah, john's version because it was such an incredible song. i thought was like jealous guy or imagine. and i always thought it was a shame that more people didn't hear that song. you've come back and -- >> yeah, but i've done it out of the -- i never heard it. i knew nothing about it. >> really? >> really. so i'm hanging out and, you know, in this town and jack douglas -- >> the producer, right.

>> he, you know, i bumped into him for several years, but just this year he said, well, did you ever get that cassette? i don't know what you're talking about. and john was doing the demos. >> which they released in the album after a couple -- >> he covered all -- he finished all of those. he didn't finish grow old along with me. but anyway, at the beginning of this, he talks about me. he says, not about that song, just about whatever song was on there. he says, that would be good for richard's story. that would be great for ring know. >> did ringo. >> i've got his voice talking my name, it was so emotional. anyway, all of the other things'd done, this one, i had no idea about that one, it was like, what? i was shocked. i never heard about it. >> so you had never heard grow

old with me? >> no. >> -- until this year? >> this year. >> oh my god. >> and then as usual we went on the internet and we found john playing it in i believe of it was george martin put strings on top of it. >> right. >> and that's the only version, some girl singing it. that's all we could find. >> that's amazing. >> yeah. >> because i actually i think it's one of his best songs. >> yeah. >> so when somebody told me a while back that you had redone the verse, i said oh my god, thank god. so i can ask you? i would think you had to feel a burden doing that song. i would have gone, man, i want to do this right for john. >> i did the best i could. that's how i work. and so i thought, i'm going to do it. and, you know, i did the backtrack and put the drums on and song it.

♪ rogrow old along with me ♪ >> the only base i want on this track is paul. he's the most incredible base player, he's my friend, and i did point out to the track he said sure, come on over. he's now part of my family, joe walsh, marry rid barbara's sister could sow you can never so say no. >> it came together really good. there's going to be some dplafl but i love john, i love this track. i did my best version of it. >> you talked about working with paul. it's very weird, i was a little too young for the beatles but i started listening to music in 71, '72 so i got introduced to you through your solo stuff and by '73, '74 i was like, wait, they were in a group. so paul playing on this and you

said in the book he's always been very generous. >> yeah. >> but reminded me of one of my favorite albums, ringo, the '73 album where 6:00, just an incredible song. it still holds up all these years later. >> yeah. >> but also the first 45 half the people won't know what that is, but the first 45 i ever bought was your 16. >> oh, wow. >> tell the story about paul and what people called the gazoo. you remember does he that -- >> oh, yeah. woo, woo, woo, woo, he just did it with his hand. >> that was his big contribution. >> but that was how we were whether there was the four of us. sounds, i've actually played just the boxes for the drums, not even the drums. and we'd play -- if it was around or felt it was needed, that loose. and so he went into the gazoo on the track. but that record, you know, i was flashing back on that ringo

album because the band are -- john's on it, everybody's on it. >> everybody. >> but that's like the all-stars now, all the last 30 years. i love that because i get to play with all these great players and they support me and we go on tour. >> okay. let's just say you had a great time out in l.a. >> it was great. >> coming up a little later, part 2 of joe's conversation with the legendary ringo starr on his new book, new album and how a potential move to texas once ever kept the beatles from becoming a band. >> but the book, really something. up next, white house chief staff mick mulvaney is at the center of the impeachment probe. now he wants the dorts decicour decide if he can testify and you won't hear the phrase quid pro quo anymore from jim himes. he explains why he prefers the word extortion. we're back in 90 seconds. the

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the constitution is very specific, bribery, treason, high crimes and misdemeanors, which basically means felonies. so that's what you have to prove as a threshold question. the second question is under the circumstances, do you believe that it's good for the country to proceed with impeachment? i would suggest a couple of circumstances relevant here. number one is there's not really anything that the president said in that phone call that's different than he says in public

all the time. so is there some sort of abuse of power that rises to that threshold that is different than the american people have been hearing for three years? i don't hear that. i think the american people want fairness and i don't think they're going judge fair whns they're accusing president trump of the same thing joe biden did, threatening the aid if some kind of corruption is not investigated. it seems like everybody, both parties, have been threatening aid if some kind of investigation either doesn't happen or has ended. and so i think really what's going to happen is people are going to say they're impeaching president trump for exactly the same thing that job de biden di i remain sympathetic for president trump's concern about the corruption. when you're going to provide hundreds of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayers dollars into a system you want to make sure it's not corrupt. >> you know it's fascinating. let's start with mack.

mac thornberry said, a guy i know and like, mac's defense is he does it all the time if the somebody extorts every day, it doesn't mean when you catch him in the act of extorting that somehow you don't move ton becau on it because it's what he does every day. rand paul, you know, it's sad to see what's become of rand paul. but when he says joe biden did the same thing, i would like to know what dirt joe biden asked ukraine to dig you will on his political opponents. did joe biden go and ask to dig up dirt on donald trump? no. no. did he ask to dig up dirt on paul ryan? i ghaes would have beuess that more along the line in 2013/2014. so rand paul knows there wasn't extortion to get dirt against a

domestic political opponent. he's lying. >> here we go. >> you can say the same thing about the senator from wisconsin also, again, saying that he's sympathetic that donald trump extorted a foreign power and held up defense -- defensive weapons until he got his political -- domestic political enemies investigated. no, no. again, they're lying. it's black and white. and if you support donald trump and they're talking to you, you should really feel insulted because they think you're really, really stupid. now i -- listen, i'm on your side. i know you're not stupid. i know you're not an idiot. i know that you have the google and i know that you can do a quick search and see that joe biden never did the same thing as donald trump. he never asked ukraine to dig up dirt on his political opponent.

so i'm they're defend you against these men who actually think so little of you that they think they can lie to you to your face day in and day out thinking that you're too stupid, too dumb, too ignorant to figure it out. i'm insulted for you. i am. i'm insulted for you that they would think so little of you. and i'm going to be thinking about you today and may even say a little prayer for you. because it is sad that these men, these men really think so little of trump supporters. and they humiliate themselves too. >> and in that perfect call, trump never perfect in his words, never mentioned corruption. he did mention biden a couple times there. with us we have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire. former chief of staff -- >> look at jonathan. jonathan's insulted for the good people of america too. >> i see that. >> he is.

>> we have adrienne elrod with us. nationals affairs analyst for nbc news john heilman. >> he's also very upset. they think -- they think the trump supporters are so stupid that rand paul thinks they're so dumb that -- it's just really crazy. >> i wish he thought better of people. national correspondent for pbs news hour joins us and political reporter for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. he's the moderator of washington week on pbs. >> so, john heilman, let's go through politics from 30,000 feet, if you can quit smirking so i can do this with a straight face. >> joe, i'm just trying to figure out -- i'm trying to figure out the difference between stupid, dumb, and ignorant. i'm listening to you and i'm trying to figure out -- i know there's a difference between each one of those adjectives, but i just want to -- i'd like to drill down with you a little bit about the fine distinctions between those things.

because we have three people at this table, one might be stupid, one might be dumb, one might be ignorant. i want to make sure i understand the meaning of the words. >> we'll talk about that offline. course, as you know -- >> we'll text you, john. >> -- i'm beginning my own podcast just on grammar and on vid vocabulary. but we'll get to that a little bit later. but right now let's talk picks politics. i'm going to show you a couple polls we showed last hour. one of them shows how you all of the democratic candidates are faring in the swing states. joe biden of course doing much better in all the swing states except for the one that i would expect elizabeth warren do well. and that is wisconsin. a bit more progressive than those other swing states, certainly on the democratic side. >> yeah. >> and then there's another poll that shows everybody defeating donald trump by pretty thin m margin.

elizabeth warren faring the best. but all within, of course, the range, the margin of error. >> right. >> so let's begin, though, with the swing states because those swing states really, i mean, the national polls just aren't going to matter. >> right. >> it's those swing states that matter the most. the question is if joe biden is in fact strongest in those swing states, and i suspect he is, what good does it do him if he's in faith place in iowa and new hampshire and is out of money by the end of the year? wand bloombe and with bloomberg in the race the super pac doesn't take off because they realize they're not going to be able to compete with a guy worth $55 billion. so all of that say huge line up to ask does joe biden survive to actually fight on his turf, south carolina, the deep south, and these swing states? >> right. it's a good, question, joe. and i would say the answer to the question straightforwardly is none of it matters.

head to head polling in these battleground states is meaningless if joe biden finishes -- i know his campaign disagrees with this. they keep maintaining he could finish fourth and fifth in iowa and 14 or fifth in new hampshire and still be alive to fight in south carolina. i've never seen that happen in the history of presidential contests. people say they have a south carolina firewall. by the time you get through the first two contests with all the media attention you get and the fundraising that gets unleashed by winning or finishing ahead of expectations in iowa and new hampshire, the field is transformed. there's nothing that's happened in the last year that matters even a tenth as much as the finish in iowa and the finish in new hampshire. so the race gets reset in those contests. and so joe biden finishes deep in the pack and i would say having spent a lot of time in iowa in the last couple weeks, it's possible that joe biden at best right now the consensus is he's in fourth place there. polling has him in fourth. he could finish fifth.

and for the inevitable, electable candidate, that would be a devastating blow. and his fundraising situation is bad. he could be broke by new year's eve effectively broke. so, look, it's a tough situation. the fact that mike bloomberg and his people are even toying with the notion about getting in this race, and let me be clear, i don't think mike bloomberg will be or has a very good prospect of being the democratic nominee. but the fact that he's toying with getting in speaks in a loud way to the political class's view that joe biden is in a very, very weak position for someone who is the national front runner and someone who is performing better into these swing state polls as you pointed out than anyone else. people pay attention to this. world of donors, elected officials and other people who are paying close attention to this race think that biden's in a weak position and if he's going to survive is going to need to reboot his campaign in some pretty explicit, formal way

over the course of the next couple months. >> well, and this also bloomberg talking about getting into the race, actually breaks the ice for other people who have been considering jumping in. hillary clinton is one that's been talking about it. i'm not saying sees this going she's going to do it, but there it three or four people whose names have come up in the nost bloomberg even talking about it suddenly makes them think, wait a second, maybe we do need to jump in. i will say one interesting thing about michael bloomberg jumping into the race if joe biden is too weak to survive until south carolina politically is you still don't have a candidate that can do well in south carolina. bloomberg dwo bloomberg dwont a bloomberg won't do any better than mayor pete. they just haven't faired well with voters, the black voters

which who have determined soing many of the democratic candidate fights. which leads me to ask the question, adrienne. i can understand white republican party would continue to make iowa and new hampshire their first two states, because those overwhelmingly white states reflect the republican elect electorate. you can have a candidate joe biden, if he rins out uns out o and doesn't make it to south carolina because of fourth place finishes, you could would hawou candidate being defeated in almost entirely white states and a process that says we're going to determine who our nominee is based on two states that bear absolutely no similarity demographically to the states that will actually determine or should determine who wins the democratic nomination. i mean, isn't it time for democrats, i know it's hard to

do, they talk about it every four years, but they really, really need to have states with at least a few black voters in it up front? >> yeah. >> it's an outrage that iowa and new hampshire, for the democrats, not the republicans, because republicans are all white. >> yeah. >> but that the democrats actually have some states up front like south carolina, alabama, illinois that actually are more demographically mixed? >> i'm so glad you brought this up. this is the debate the democrats have every four years, you know, after the presidential election, shouldn't we change something? shouldn't we have a state that's more diverse be the first caucus or the first voting state in the nation? and nobody who actually have the political clout is willing to go forward because a lot of those people plan to run for president. so that's why you have this endless cycle of iowa being the first caucus state in the nation, new hampshire being the first voting state in the

nation. but going back to something you said about joe biden, joe. i think if he gets third or fourth place in iowa, didn't do well in new hampshire, maybe can he come back in nevada to the point that you made because it's a more diverse state and then have the strong performance in south carolina, can he go into super tuesday way lot of momentum. i think that's what he's got to do because you've got to keep in mind, 35% of the delegates in the democratic primary are awarded on super tuesday. 40% that you count will be awarded after super tuesday. so if you're joe biden's campaign, you're low on cash, you are to an extent relying on the super pac to help drive you through the first four states, you've got really shift your message, i think, to focusing on south carolina. and then really using that momentum in super tuesday states. >> well, i think your point is -- >> but let me -- let me open this up to everybody, jonathan lemire and adrienne and bob costa, john heilman, everybody

can feel free to jump in on this. i mean, does anybody believe that if joe biden finishes in fourth in iowa and fourth in new hampshire and is low on money going into south carolina with hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in earned media that iowa and new hampshire provides both positive and negative, does anybody believe that biden can survive to even get to south carolina, especially low on money? bob costa, let's start with you. >> when you talk to mayor buttigieg's advisers, they're looking at iowa as a real opportunity for them to show the country and democratic voters nationally that they can make it a two-way race race against senator warren, that buttigieg could become, in effect, the warren alternative. the moderate who could battle all the way in the same way that vice president biden wants ton battle senator warren or senator

sanders, in the same way senator klobuchar wants to take that political space. so it becomes harder for vice president biden to wait until south carolina. but does he have political capital. i've been to south carolina and historically plaque church historically black services for sunday services. they put the general election at the top of their agenda when it comes to look at the democratic field. that's why cosurvive and that's why people feel pretty. >> >> first as a know the about the order of the contests, iowa and new hampshire, i would say that secretary castro last night on this network suggested they've changed, which perhaps speaks from someone who doesn't anticipate winning iowa or new hampshire because we saw senator warren saying she didn't want to dutch that issue touch that issue because they're afraid of offending the voters there. but a fourth or fifth place finish in iowa would be hard to

overcome. but one's argument who appears to be i am win elections, i'm electable, if he does not win, if he finishes that poorly, fourth, fifth or worse, that's going to hard to maintain if his fundraising struggles continue. he's had issues to this point with that and there will be so much momentum for the other candidates, that would be difficult to overcome despite the good well are undoubtedly, despite the good will he does have in some of other super tuesday contests. >> joe, coming back to the top of this, i think it's a daunting process for the vice president if he finishes fourth and fifth in iowa. just that alone, i think it would be tough for all the reasons we just suggested. think that the relevant question now, if you have people in iowa, for instance, where the democratic elite of iowa, so to speak, many of them look favorably on joe biden and want

him to recover there and be better than fourth or fifth. they look at their own state, iowa, and they say that's a state that barack obama was able too win in 2008, able to win in 2012 and taken away by donald trump in 2016. you then saw two democrats who took away congressional democrats in 2016. they want to bring iowa back in the blue column. they think joe biden would be the best candidate in general election. so you have iowa democrats advising the former vice president that he should look in the mirror now and say, you need -- it's not too late for you in this state, but you need to read these warning signs. you need to see how poorly you're performing had in this poll and see the struggles you're having with fundraising. look at bloomberg's potential entry as a spur to relaunching this campaign. talk to the press more often. don't be in the candidate protection as he's been for the entire year. get out there and refwhoot campai

reboot this campaign. there's time to fix what ails your campaign, but you can't do it if you proceed in a denial of where things are. which i where a lot of biden' l allies think he's been for the past few months. >> i think he think he's making end roads. >> the points made by julian castro about reject diversity on the ground in iowa and new hampshire, those are things we've been thaerg abohearing ab long time. they take that to heart, they say maybe demographically we are not representative of the rest of the country, but what we do is give some of these early candidates a rigorous questioning on the issues. and at the heart of those issues, for them on the ground, is the top issue, which ask who can beat donald trump? this we know from nationwide polling is the top issue for most likely democratic voters. so the voters on the ground will

say it's maybe not demographically representative but the questions we're purting to the candidates are the same one that people across the country would be putting. also they'll say, look, some of the focusesd attention that president trump has been given to joe biden, that speaks to the fact that they see him as the likely nominee and he could be the most potentially challenger for president trump. also the biden campaign, it's worth neating, thoting, they dit of a surge after more details came out about the president's efforts to undermine the bidens and the joe biden campaign. so that's something voters every where are looking at. but iowa voters will tell you they're asking the questions that need to be asked at this stage. >> so let's turn from the election campaign 2020 and look at what's in front of us today and this week. so, bob costa, the president

obviously is going to be confronting public testimony this week, something that he really -- it doesn't matter what people say around the white house, everybody i talk to say he's really not looking forward to this week. i would suspect that he will especially be concerned by bill taylor's testimony, a guy who is just a straight shooter, bipartisan public servant. what does this week look like for the white house and what are you expecting to happen to unfold in the impeachment inquiry this week? >> the bigger story i'm picking up in my reporting is not concern inside the white house, they're isolated essentially from many republicans. it's a republican story because they are uncomfortable about the idea of having to take on ambassador taylor, ambassador yovanovitch and when they swear under oath to tell the truth and lay out a whole case against

president trump and his official administration on their conduct when it comes to ukraine stand becomes vivid in a way depositions can never be. you look at peter king, republican from new york, he's not citing impeachment as why he decided to retire this morning, but he decided this morning not to run for re-election. another retirement on the house republican side. many republicans when you talk to them privately say they don't want to be there at the barricade making the case for something they know is at the least inappropriate in their eyes. >> you've been pouring through the transcripts, what should the american public expect to see and what's going to surprise those who haven't been as connected before but will certainly be watching these hearings? >> yeah, i think a lot of us have been spending a lot of time paging through those more than 2,000 pages so far. look, one of the things that has really struck me over the last week as we saw those testimony's being released and as we prepare for those three key testimony's

this week, bill taylor, george kent and marie yovanovitch, all of them are state department officials, they have all served in foreign service officer kpaptss a kpap capacities and they are at the center of these inquiries i. one of the reason that's important it takes some of the air out of of this argument it's a partisan witch-hunt. these are people who serve on the front lines of american diplomacy, who see themselves as not wanting to get involved in domestic politics. and they see themselves as guardians of the american ideals. to have these people so far deliver at least on paper in the transcripts we've seen, some of the most potentially damning testimony when it comes to this shadow diplomacy to ambassador yovanovitch feeling threatened and then to bill taylor delivering in vivid detail some of his concerns that had nothing to do with domestic politics but him saying the withholding of the u.s. military aid to ukraine would mean the loss of lives on

ukrainian soil. it really takes a lot of the domestic politics argument out of it. and to some degree undermines the arguments being made by president trump and republicans right now. >> and, what stand out to me, beyond the losses of lives and now really the equation that many are making about the loss of lives because of this so-called drug deal as it was dubbed, but also that this goes beyond a quid pro quo or extortion extorting a foreign leader, i think the testimony that certain members of the administration and ambassador yovanovitch felt threatened really shows the insidiousness of this. that the president was potentially threatening people who serve our country abroad as ambassadors and who serve our country in the state department to have a president threatening that they will go through things, it's -- i think it takes it to a whole new level if

that's possible. >> i agree with that. we talked about this on the air when the transcript of ambassador yovanovitch become public. as powerful as some of the testimony of lieutenant colonel vindman and others will give is, i think this testimony, you know, you come from a family where you're siblings, your father, others have served in a kind of nonpartisan, bipartisan way. can you imagine what it would be like to be posted in ukraine and to hear that the president of the united states was trash talking you to the government in ukraine, was suggesting that your position was unstable, that you were in some way unstable, that bad things were going to happen to you. and then to get a phone call as she did in the middle of the night from someone in the state department saying you have to get on the next plane, get out of that country, get out of there now, you're not safe. i think it's -- i mean, first of all, it's chilling. but second of all, i think the american public will think it's chilling had they hear

ambassador yovanovitch tell these stories in front of television cameras like she's going to when she's gets called in these hearings and that is when the democrats think of these are hearings in toto could be on president trump. it's stories like that that are human and emotional and powerful that could move what has already been a public opinion that's moved pretty dramatically in favor of impeachment, that could move it even further over the course of these next few weeks as people get to not just read the testimony or hear people like us talk about the testimony on television, but get to put the testimony to these faces and see the emotion in these people's faces as they tell the stories of what happened to them over the course of the last few months around this drug deal, as john bolton called it. >> yeah. i think that ambassador yovanovitch being threatened in the way she was was chilling. we talk about my dad being national security adviser, i have a brother who served as an ambassador and another brother who spent three years in

ukraine. that is a tough post. and i can't imagine that happening. that takes it to a whole new level. jonathan lemire. >> i think that we're going to see absolutely riveting television wednesday and friday. president is offering a little bit of counterprogramming. wednesday afternoon he's going to be having a news conference with president erdogan of turkey, had is remarkable timing considering what happened in syria. bob costa, we know the president is going to be watching this. you've been talking about republicans gauging how this is going. let me ask you about senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. what do you anticipate that he's going to be looking for this week as this process unfolds and what sort of hints as he provided as to what the trial phase of this may go if we get to the senate, what that may look like under his control? >> mcconnell's allies tell me that he feels his party in the senate is mostly calm. they're uneasy about the

president's conduct, as many republicans are, but they're not prepared to break. to not have a dramatic break from president trump. there's senator kahn, but she's up for re-election in 2020, romney. we know the list. mcconnell is look at the calendar and wondering about a trial. if they do impeach the president, he has to make decisions in negotiation with the minority leader chuck schumer about how this plays out. he has a calculation to make. does he want to keep these senators in their seats for trial as the constitution demands and requires for weeks on end? maybe even have it during the iowa caucuses and the south carolina primary and the new hampshire primary? you could see mcconnell trying to keep all these democratic presidential candidates in the senate as part of the process, or he may calculate his advisers say to have a quick trial, get it over with and then make the political fight in 2020. but he hasn't made a final decision on that calendar. >> all right, robert costa, thank you very much. national correspondent for pbs

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joining us now, member of the house intelligence committee which is slated to begin public impeachment hearings on wednesday. democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut. thanks very much for being on the show this morning. let's first talk about the overall framework of things and discussing what exactly is at stake, what might have happened. you say quid pro quo perhaps may not be the best term and maybe extortion say better one. explain. >> well, really, you know, quid pro quo is not a legal term, mika, as you know. what is a legal term is bribery or extortion. and what happened was without question, in my mind, as someone who sat in those rooms and listened to these witnesses as the american people will soon have an opportunity do was extortion. the president said, and the president's people said, unless

you go public and it was pretty specific, too, on television, and say that you're going announce an investigation into the president's political opponent, this aid is not likely to get delivered in the is out of ambassador sondland's testimony in the is not a democratic fantasy in the is an appointee of donald trump, a political appointee of donald trump saying that. >> so will we be hearing from john bolton and mick mulvaney? >> well, that's a good question. as you know, both of them have essentially handed over the question of whether they have to appear to the court. and that's amazingly frustrating, mika, because at some level the answer is obvious. this is a clear stalling tactic. when you have -- when you get a congressional subpoena, even if your boss orders you not turn up, you show up. and that's important for

oversight. can you imagine what it means for the separation of powers if the president just gets to say, sorry, i'm not sending people to go talk to the congress. but historically, as you know, nixon made a similar argument in the early 1970s. and this wasn't about people testifying with nixon, it was about did nixon need to turn over tapes of private conversations that he had. that's arguably a more private matter, of course, than an individual who happens to work for the president. and the court said, yes, you do. so at some level the legal question here is absurd. these people, if they are subpoenaed by congress, need to show p show up. this is a stalling tactic and since the hope is we can get this done quickly, we may not end up hearing from either one of them. >> first, what do you have against latin? and then secondly, with the hearings this week we're going to obviously see a human face on these testimony's.

the american public is going to see this. but what do you anticipate that we're going to learn that's? you what sort of new information do you anticipate you and your colleagues being able to draw fraught these witnesses that wi out from these witnesses that will impact the american public? >> for many of those people that wa waded through the pages of the testimony there may not be anything new. i think this is a game changer. it's a huge problem for the republican defense of trying to smear anybody who -- who testifies against the president. and this doesn't come out in the transcripts. the tone of these hearings, i think, is going to startle the american people. the three individuals we're talking about here, bill taylor, george kent and marie yovanovitch, they are the definition of boy scouts and girl scouts. you know, military combat

veterans, people who have devoted their lives to serving democratic and republican presidents. speak in beautiful, you know, thoughtful, impartial paragraphs. and so, you know, while you've got people like my republican colleagues and the president supporters clearly throwing mud, clearly trying to distract, mounting defenses that don't make any sense, you are going to hear from some of the most startling competent and virtue with us people that you can imagine. i think that will change the weather against the republican attempts to damage anybody who believes that the president's actions were wrong. >> congressman, i want to ask you about a couple of potential witnesses from last week, people you guys were trying to get to talk to in closed session for deposition because they both refused. they're both pretty central to what went on here. and i'm curious about what you think the prospects are

forgetting them either for getting them to testify publicly or give depositions. mick mulvaney and john bolton. tell us where things stand to get them to come forward and give evidence and potentially be in front of the cameras. >> yeah, again, i think it's unlikely. and even if you get mick mulvaney in front of a panel, you know, as a witness, there are a whole lot of absurd claims of privilege here return clueding, by t including not showing up. but the conversations a president has with a chief of staff are arguably privilege. i don't think we'll hear from him. i don't think we need to hear, quite frankly, from john boston. i'd like to, of course. but any number of people will testify that john bolton, not a democrat, let's be clear about this. john bolton is not a democrat. he is not one of the 17 angry

democrats or part of the deep state that wants to bring down a republican president. he called what he saw going on a drug deal. that's not in dispute. i think that's the sort of powerful element of john bolton. mick mulvaney would be interesting because it would be interesting to hear how the president conveyed the notion that the military aid should not be delivered until ukraine -- the president of ukraine said that he would investigate the president's political opponent. now, we will hear and you will learn that mick mulvaney was the guy driving that decision. but it would be very interesting to know exactly what the conversations were he had with the president. i just think that's unlikely. >> congressman, given the fact that we have just several more weeks really left in this legislative session before the end of the year, and given also the fact that speaker pelosi has made it very clear that she wants this wrapped up by the end of the year, this impeachment investigation, also combined of

course with the fact that the trump administration is trying to keep all of their witnesses -- the witnesses that democrats are calling forward, trying to prohibit them from testifying, do you think that the democrats can really wrap this up by end of the year? >> yeah, i do, with an asterisk. if in this day and age and with this administration you just never know when you're going to stumble on something brand-new and outraitgeous. so with that as a condition, i do think so. the bottom line here is that the facts are really not in dispute. that's white republicans won't address the facts or they try to say, oh, with the president of the united states extorting another president, that's just like, you know, hillary clinton doing opposition research on her -- on her opponent. and so, you know, the basic facts here that the president of the united states, you know, held up military aid and held up

a white house meeting with a new and vulnerable president of ukraine demanding an investigation into joe biden's son and joe biden, those facts aren't in dispute. that's a pretty severe abuse of power. the ambassador, you'll hear from her on friday, startling competent ambassador was fired apparently because rudy giuliani and a bunch of shady ukrainians didn't like the cut of her jib, had is a stunning thing, those facts aren't really in dispute. what we don't know about and what i wish we could learn more about is rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, running around ukraine god only knows who he's talking to, what he's doing and how he impacts that. history ultimately need to explain that because that's a pretty unprecedented thing in our history if all of a sudden the president's close personal associates are going to be, you know, either running gangster

plots or running their own foreign policy, i think that's something the american people should both learn about and be wary of in the future. >> it's incredible, actually. but there's so much about this that's incredible it's hard to keep track of it. congressman jim himes, thank you very much. we'll be watching this week. and coming up, we still have a crowded democratic primary field, but it seems one candidate in particular has set up a flood of resentment. we'll talk about who and why ahead on "morning joe." 'll taly ahead on "morning joe." ♪oh there's no place like home for the holidays.♪ ♪'cause no matter how far away you roam.♪ ♪when you pine for the sunshine of a friendly gaze.♪ ♪for the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.♪

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a reporter for the l.a. times is correcting a story in which he misquoted mayor pete buttigieg as allegedly saying the failures of the obama era help explain how we got trump. the reporter now says that's an inaccurate quote. the result of transcribing.

it is the failures of the old normal. julian castro has seized on the reported comments with castro tweeting, hey, puete buttigieg, you misspelled mcconnell. he says i appreciate this view's from don't ask don't tell to the rescue of the auto industry. my appreciation of the great leadership of barack obama comes from a very personal place. mayor pete's had a pretty good run, i think most people are stuck, jonathan, adrienne elrod i'll go to you, on his age. >> yes. >> and i think there were comments over of the weekend as to whether or not a woman would at the same age would have the same success. i think that what mayor pete is brilliant. i think that's kind of

universally understood. everything from all the languages he speaks to his service to this country, to the level of education that he's achieved if the h achieved, this is a special candidate. >> i'm more than happy to call out sexism when i see it. i don't see mayor pete's rise in this primary have anything to do with sexism. i think it has everything do with the fact that he's brilliant and had he some key moments which allowed him to stand out. but i think that's exactly why this misquote by the l.a. times reporter was so detrimental or could have the impact of being detrimental and i'm glad to see his campaign jump on. mayor pete putting out a statement amp pilified by one o his senior advisers on the campaign making sure people understood it as a misquote because he has defended

obama-era policies. he said, listen, we have work do on healthcare and the remembering are b economy, but let's fix obamacare arnott repeal it and let's not implement medicare for all. so i think that this shows how sharp and on top things his campaign is. but, again, i don't think that -- i don't think mayor pete's rise in the polls has anything to do with the fact that he's male, i think it has everything to do with the fact that he's been a very strong candidate, he's very smart and he's very on top of the issues. >> this story, this misquote comes at the same time the fact that he's a man or that that's the issue.

i think if you're amy klobuchar or your kamala harris or you're cory booker or in the united states senate or governors, for instance, someone like steve bullock, you look at mayor pete and say, you're a mid-30s guy who is the mayor of a city of 100,000 people. he's a man of attention for what someone has actually accomplished in politics so far. i think the point is if you had a woman who is a mayor in a small city in a modest-sized state that that woman would not get the attention that he's gotten. i think part of what drives the frustration about mayor pete is this interview i did with him on the circuit, he said, it's a two-way race between me and elizabeth warren. literally a thousand people came forward and said a guy who has zero percent among

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it's called qanon, a french conspiracy theory that some analysts have likened to an online religion, now making its way to the ballot box. joining us now, nbc news correspondent morgan radford. morgan, this seems like it's

kind of spreading in ways you wouldn't expect. >> reporter: it's spreading and it's growing, mika. if you've never heard of qanon, you're not alone. it's a radical conspiracy theory about a group of deep state moderators and predators all at war with president trump. it started a year after president trump was elected, but as we learned in our reporting, this has actually become a political movement, not just online but also on the campaign trail. you can find them among the thousands at the president's rallies. do you think there are a lot of other qanon people at this rally? >> yes. >> holding signs, they're a radical conspiracy theory known as qanon. >> what does qanon stand for? what does that mean?

it's about the president and a malicious ring of presidents in the deep state. >> i think hillary clinton has actually been arrested at one point. >> i do. >> reporter: and you believe we just don't know about it why? >> because you guys don't want us to know. >> reporter: it's a wide-ranging conspiracy theory that's moved from voters to a growing number of political candidates. >> i hope i can get your vote. >> reporter: republican candidate matthew lusk is running for congress in florida's fifth district. among the dozens of issues listed on his campaign website is qanon. >> i think there are pedophile rings among the bureaucracy. >> sirm, i couldn't hei'm sorry the last part. >> i think there are pedophile rings. >> reporter: and he's not alone.

it's unclear what they believe, but congress has promoted messages affiliated with qanon, either with campaign twitter accounts or in person. >> do you believe in qanon? >> there is someone out there putting information on the internet. >> here in california's 56th district, candidate erin cruz has a banner displayed at the republican headquarters. people have described qanon as a conspiracy theory. do you believe that? >> a conspiracy theory only sounds crazy until it's prooven. >> do you think a candidate who wants to win in 2020 can dispense qanon supporters? >> no, you shouldn't dispense them. >> but they've been warned they could take criminal or violent action. in july a 24-year-old man was

charged in the repeated shooting of a mob boss. they said he was motivated by qanon. written on his hand was qanon. >> that's where b.s., if you will, comes into play. >> part of a message that's won before. so we reached out to the rnc and the national republican congressional committee on this since all of these are republican candidates. the nrcc tells us the organization does not get involved in primaries, and we should also say the president himself has amplified qanon twitter accounts many times, although he's never explicitly acknowledged the conspiracy theory, he has retweeted profiles with the qanon profile and messaging in their bios. he also took a photo with a qanon booster and host.

we reached out with no response, mika. >> how did the candidates respond when you approached them about this conspiracy theory? >> it's interesting. we contacted each of the campaigns. one of them declined to be interviewed or provide a statement, but danielle in minnesota said, i find it appalling that nbc would work so feverishly to defend child and sex traffickers, their funders and enablers. she didn't ever actually disavow that conspiracy theory, mika. >> nbc's morgan radford, thank you very much for that report. still ahead, the latest polling from several key battleground states and new reporting on whether michael bloomberg is serious about entering the race. plus, we'll dig into why former u.n. ambassador nikki haley is still going out of her

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>> i said, whatever you do, don't hire a yes man, someone that's going to tell you -- won't tell you the truth. don't do that. because if you do, i believe you'll be impeached. >> according to nikki haley, rex tillerson and john kelly tried to recruit her to undermine president trump in an effort to save the country. big news this morning. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, november 11th, veterans day. with us we have white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lemire, former strategic of the dnc, and elsie inarod, former contributor, and department of defense and nbc news security analyst jeremy bash.

a lot to get to this morning. there was a big game this weekend. >> there was. liverpool ended up beating man city 3-1. that's what all the kids are talking about. there was also a little game that went on in tuscaloosa, alabama -- >> ouch. >> you were there, jonathan lemire. the curse of the bambino -- you're covering it. the curse of the bambino, of course, it's secondary now to the curse, as the kids are saying in tuscaloosa, of trump. curse of the bamboozler as my beloved alabama loses to lsu. >> the tide got rolled on sunday. the president was trying to find a place he would be cheered. we know he was in the washington game where he was rally booed. following that he was here in new york city where the response

was decidedly split, but as you can see in this video, he received a roaring ovation in tuscaloosa on saturday ahead of the alabama-lsu game and stuck around for what was a classic game. i know your team did lose there in the end, joe, but this was something the president wanted. the backdrop, of course, is that it comes as jeff sessions, his former ally turned foe, someone with whom he is so very, very angry of recusing himself from the russia probe announced that he would be jumping back into the race to get his old seat, the senate seat in alabama. the president has said, even though privately he has fears of this and has mused about being in public with sessions, but he brought sessions to the game. >> i never thought i would see the game where brian denny stadium would come complete with

a viewing stand where you would have some candidates allowed to sit next to breznev and show favor to the crowd. and others, jeff sessions, not actually allowed to sit next to donald trump. >> i'm not even sure he was part of the tailgate festivities outside the stadium. but they go early in the season so far. >> it's early. if you follow english football, usually after the first or second match, they'll go, that's the season. it's all over. it's a very long season, and boy, what a long game. it was a great game. alabama down 33-13 at half time, came back and -- of course, mika was watching. >> i was. >> mika's mom was watching and they got to hear me scream louder at the television set than they've ever heard before. it was a fun time for all.

>> when joe left the room, she goes, i like the ones in purple. she loved that incredible catch where the guy was just out but he was in. does that make sense? >> yes. in a moment we'll get to what will be -- >> the ones in purple? what is that? >> she whispered it to me, purple and yellow. in a moment we'll get to what will be a very big week in the impeachment inquiry, but first some very interesting poll numbers to tell you about. the latest numbers in the cnn college poll in six key battlegrounds shows former vice president joe biden leads the field in five of six states. biden has an eight and nine-point advantage in florida and michigan. in north carolina, biden is ahead by 14 points and up 12 points in pennsylvania. in wisconsin, biden and senator elizabeth warren are statistically tied for first. >> here we go again. joe biden fares well not only

against donald trump in the swing states. he fares much better against democrats themselves and this intramural battle in the swing states. again, the question -- and again, it's a question a lot of people are asking because they're trying to figure out whether biden is going to make it to south carolina if he fini finishes fourth in iowa and new hampshire. the question is, will joe biden ever be given an opportunity to show where his strength lies? >> joe, that's the big question here. we know in the united states there are still voters who are undecided, a significant number who are undecided, but joe biden has remained on the top of the polls in some of these key battlegrounds despite what donald trump is trying to do with impeachment and the ukraine situation. he still remains on top. the question becomes, where are things in december, where are things in january? we know that when families go home for thanksgiving and have long conversations, they're off

work for a couple days, that's when people really start to solidify their decisions in terms of who they're supporting in this primary. so far, though, joe biden, despite the fact he's had some campaign stumbles on the fundraising front, he still remains on top. so it's going to be interesting to see how the next few weeks shake out when voters really start to make their decisions. >> yeah, you know, mika, it's really a tale of two races. the first of those early states, iowa and new hampshire, where joe biden is not doing well. but you move beyond that, if you look at south carolina, if you look at most of the other states around the country, joe biden is doing well. but, again, how does biden endure a poor finish in iowa, a poor finish in new hampshire and still stick around -- does momentum shift? of course, there is a solution to that. joe biden can actually double down in iowa and actually have a strong showing there.

because a strong showing by joe bid cen in iowa, like barack oba in 2008, really paves the way toward a nomination win if he can do it. but right now he just can't seem to gain any momentum in the first states. >> and the prospect of new york city mayor michael bloomberg potentially entering the democratic race. a source tells "axios" that the decision to file paperwork was partially a trial balloon to gain interest and look at his options. but bloomberg's extensive polling remains far from convincing showing big and inseizure mountabi insurmountable hurdles, particularly if joe biden stays in the race. a new poll puts bloomberg in sixth place among democratic hopefuls, while a "poliltico" matchup shows him six points

from trump, ahead of the democratic candidates. he hasn't jumped in, but these numbers are certainly guiding a good gauge for him. i'm seeing a lot of people saying, please buy fox news on twitter -- you know, please make that your first campaign move. he does have the money. >> oh, he certainly does. he could buy fox news a couple times over, i think. there's certainly been that from the democratic field right now, suggesting if bloomberg wanted to make a positive impact on this race, he should use his money in a different fashion. he was concerned about -- if he is concerned about joe biden and wants to support another moderate candidate, then donate a couple million dollars to back amy klobuchar or cory booker, someone like that. his tenure here in new york city by many measures was a very successful mayor, but some of the positions he holds are out of step with where the democratic party is right now. his defensive stop and frisk,

for instance, is a large one, and not the only one. even though he's very, very good, according to democrats, on issues like gun control and climate change. it remains to be seen. it's also such a gamble. we're hearing his aides, and we talked to them this weekend, suggest that he's going to skip the first couple contests. he's not going to play in iowa and new hampshire, but instead go all in on super tuesday in some of the big states like california where he can use his basically unlimited resources to be a factor there. perhaps, and i think if he does that, that would be detrimental to joe biden which might actually help elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, which he is concerned might grab the nomination. but there is a chance in the next few days before new hampshire that bloomberg does take a look at the field. he's data driven on stuff like this. if he doesn't see a path, which remember, in the spring he didn't, he may not eventually jump in. sto still ahead on "morning joe," joe's extended conversation with ringo starr.

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. former ambassador to the united nations, nikki haley, claims in her new book that she refused attempts by two of president trump's top advisers, former secretary of state rex tillerson and former white house chief of staff john kelly, to undermine the president. haley writes in her new book, quote, kelly and tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren't being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country. it was their decisions, not the president, that were in the best interests of america, they said. the president didn't know what

he was doing. she also wrote that tillerson told her that the reason he resisted the president's decisions was because if he didn't, people would die. when asked about the quotes, haley stood by them in a recent interview. >> it absolutely happened. and instead of saying that to me, they should have been saying that to the president, not asking me to join them on their sidebar plan. it should have been, go tell the president what your differences are and quit if you don't like what he's doing. but to undermine a president is really a very dangerous thing, and it goes against the constitution, and it goes against what the american people want. it was offensive. >> tillerson didn't provide immediate comment to nbc news, and kelly told the "washington post," if giving trump, quote, the best and most open, legal and ethical staffing advice across a government so he could make an informed decision is working against trump, then

guilty as charged. president trump pratzedised haln a tweet yesterday, of course, promoting her new book. jeremy bash, nikki haley is not dumb. in fact, we know her. she's quite intelligent. but she certainly is playing a game here. >> it's staggering. >> it is staggering. she understands that at times -- and we heard this from the administration time and time again, people have ignored the president's orders because they were illegal. the president has ordered cabinet members to actually execute orders that are illegal. there are other times that nikki haley is right. there are times that tillerson, kelly, mattis pushed back on what donald trump was trying to do because people would die, people would get killed.

oh, wait, what example could we bring up? oh, hey, here's one. syria. they pushed back on the president pulling out of syria and turning syria and the middle east over to vladimir putin and russia for months. and when he found he could no longer push back anymore, it was, of course, general mattis who did resign. and so all of these people did quit. they got cleared out, and guess what? people died. turkey began an ethnic cleansing of the kurds. so, yeah, yeah. nikki haley is right. people were pushing back on the president's worst instincts when everybody inside the white house, including nikki haley, nikki haley especially knew that donald j. trump was not up to being commander in chief. and without help, he was going to get a lot of people killed. >> yeah, this, joe, is

revisionist history here, because nikki haley, when she was serving as u.n. ambassador, also internally opposed many of the policies the president was advancing. she was there along with secretary mattis, john kelly, rex tillerson and others in opposing, for example, the way the president was taking us to the brink of a nuclear conflict with north korea, amping up the rhetoric and taking us nearly to a situation which john kelly has told people we nearly got ourselves into a nuclear tit-for-tat with the north koreans. this is her time to realign herself with what she perceives as a base in her own party, kind of a finger in the wind strategy, to sell books but also to say, hey, mr. president, i'm with you. and if you should go down, by the way, if you are removed from office or somehow you don't win again, i want to be the one to pick up the mantel of trumpism. i think this is a bad look for her, because i think it not only is inconsistent with where she's been, but it also puts her on the wrong side of history about

some of these big policy decisions. >> another question is, did she raise these matters with the president? if rex tillerson and john kelly were undermining, in her belief, the president of the united states, did she go to donald trump? also let me ask you this. we've seen this before. this is speculation in washington, but we've had months where people have wondered about the future of mike pence on this ticket. it seems that happens every time nikki haley does something. she's the rumored candidate and she also raised the issue only to knock it down. where do you see this going? >> when i initially read these comments, i was like, oh, yeah, this is big. she did talk about the 25th amendment. what she's alleging tillerson to have done is basically bureaucratic insiding, right? we don't know if she went to the president and said, by the way, john kelly is working against you, you should dismiss him. that would be a big headline if she said, by the way, tillerson

and john kelly went and talked to mike pence. in a way, this is nikki haley positioning herself for 2024. let's not skip ahead. let's do 2028 and then joe can back up the math and show us how smart he is with a nazi sequence or something like that. what's interesting about nikki haley is she always finds a way to insert herself in the new cycle but preserves both sides of it. she can still claim, i was against the president but i privately counseled him on whatever subject kochlz out of fashion in 2024. but right now she's sticking close to him. but until someone says the 25th amendment and we have that from the inside, not anonymous, then i think a lot of this is kind of morning chitchat. coming up, important conversation on this veterans day. commander and congresswoman elai elaine luria is with us. and jeremy butler joins the

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this year marks the 100th anniversary of veterans day. and president trump is set to deliver the opening remarks at today's new york city parade honoring veterans' service to this nation. organizers say this makes him the first known sitting president to attend the event. joining us now, member of both the house armed services committee and committee on veterans affairs, democratic congresswoman elaine luria of virginia. she served two decades in the navy. also with us, the ceo of the iaba, jeremy butler. he's a commander in the navy reserves with nearly 20 years of uniformed service. thanks to you both. >> thank you guys so much. congresswoman luria, what does this day mean to you? >> having served 20 years in uniform, veterans day is a somber day to remember the service of those who have risked

their life, taken an oath to defend their country, and i think it's a day we should all pause and remember the freedom of americans is due in part to the service of hundreds of thousands of americans who have taken that oath. >> absolutely. >> but jeremy, i often found that when in congress myself, often promises were made to our veterans that congress and the white house didn't keep. what are some of the challenges facing veterans today as we salute them, but at the same time understand that congress and the white house has a long way to go to actually keep the promises that they made. >> no, thank you, i appreciate that, and that's exactly right. as the head of commander reserves, i represent thousands of men and women serving today.

that's why i hope to elevate those national issues that our veterans are struggling every day, and the fact we need the administration, the members of congress to address these issues, the biggest one being veteran suicides. it's just going the wrong direction. the number of suicides every day is going up, and we really need a concerted effort to solve that problem. >> congresswoman, as we know, the president is going to be appearing at a veterans day event here in new york. he certainly has linked himself very closely to the military with his time in office. he has pledged to do more for veterans. how would you judge him in his role protecting veterans but also as commander in chief? i believe you're linking his failure in that role to his ouster in office, correct? >> as commander in chief, i'm incredibly concerned. i think his actions have truly been a threat to our national

security. i think the unannounced withdrawal from syria, the allies and confidence that they have in our country today, the governments that have also served beside us and counted on us as true partners around the world, they are very concerned about the role of america and the predictability of our foreign assistance and continuing to keep forces beside them. i do think the president, as commander in chief, has put america's national security at risk. >> all right. to jonathan's point, congresswoman luria, you're putting out a new ad today doubling down on the point of the impeachment inquiry. it also represents your 20th year of commitment as oath of office. as a young recruit, and most

recently as a freshman congresswoman. take a look. >> i do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic. >> i took that oath for the first time when i was 17 years old and went to the naval academy, and took it again at every promotion of my naval career, and most recently serving in congress representing my district. >> it is worth taking note that elaine luria is calling those actions, quote, an impeachable defense. >> i didn't come to washington to impeach the president, but i also didn't spend 20 years in the navy to allow our constitution to be trampled on. i will swear solemnly. and people might say, well, why would you do that, you might not get reelected? i don't care, because i did the right thing. i do.

>> wow. congressman luria, how is the president not holding up to the oath of office? >> well, our founders who wrote the constitution found it important enough to put the exact words of the president's oath in the constitution, to protect our constitution and, truly, to protect our democracy. and i think that what he has done, especially in reference with ukraine where he has put his personal interests and his personal gain ahead of that of our country, is truly a threat to our country, a threat to our democracy, and with this video, i wanted to take it back to the oath, what is truly important to those who serve, those who serve in uniform, those who serve our country in other capacities and take a similar oath that we are here to support and defend the constitution and to defend our democracy. and that is not a situation where we take actions for personal gain and leverage the full power of the united states and national security assistance

to partners. it is truly to defend our democracy, and i think he has let us down as the president. >> congresswoman, i just want to thank you both for your service. i want to stick with this point because it's the case when you were one of the seven national security democrats who signed that letter back in september, that was a crucial moment in putting it on the path toward the impeachment inquiry because you all come from very purple districts. a lot of you are freshmen. in the period of time since then. that was like late september. it's been a month and a half, almost two months, where we learned a lot about what happened with ukraine from the depositions and transcripts and other things that have been released. what in this period of time -- and mind you, i know where you stand now just looking at this ad on where we're going -- what have you seen over the course of these six weeks? what struck you as being the evidence that we now know of, what's stood out for you? what's been most damning in terms of the available evidence

we now know in terms of reinforcing your opinion that the president should be reinvestigated, but it seems like you're pretty much on the side of impeachment. >> i thought the other day lieutenant colonel vindman was going to testify. the fact that the detractors from this investigation would malign him and his service and shift that in a way to criticize him for being an immigrant was just disgusting. that truly stuck at the core of everything we've been seeing. i think at that point on veterans day to understand that the president would use his allies to malign an active duty officer who is doing the right thing, coming forward and providing information in the course of these investigations. that one thing truly crystallizes how i view all of it. >> jeremy, one thing your group is really focused on is the ptsd among veterans and the high suicide rate among those who

come back from combat. what can be done? what are some concrete steps the organization is taking, but also just even perhaps on this veterans day, like everyday americans who know veterans, what can they do to reach out and help this crisis? >> i think first and foremost just talking about it. we're not comfortable talking about mental health challenges, and that's step one, is being able to talk about it, admit that you're having some struggles, and whoever you're talking to should be able to be comfortable listening to you and finding and helping you to connect with resources that you need. the country doesn't have enough adequate resources available to those who are struggling with mental health, and we need to make it easier for veterans, civilians, family members, anybody to be able to connect with anyone struggling with those resources. that's what we're working on with the administration to hopefully pass legislation that will increase the ability of these nongovernmental organizations to help the veterans. if we're just focus gs ing on t

v.a., we're going to be missing a large chunk of the veterans that need help. >> all right, the ceo of the iva, jeremy butler and elaine luria. thank you so much this morning. up next, goldman sachs accepts criticism for the way it handles the apple card. e apple d welcome to fowler, indiana. home to three of bp's wind farms. which, every day, generate enough electricity to power over 150,000 homes.

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joe had a discussion with ringo starr with their new album "what's my we hear how the bea lured ringo back to the band after he quit after the recorded sessions for the white album. but how his time away inspired one of the classic songs. >> i was getting telegrams come home, come back, we love you. when i got back to abby road again, it was full of flowers

that george had arranged. it was flower madness, flower power. that was my moment then and, which is on abby road. and you know he brings his boat, we took the kids and went out and we asked for something to eat and the guy gave us octopus. and we're like we don't eat that we're from liverpool. anyway, i was talking to the captain, you know, just sailing away and i said octopus man? we like fish, now we're vegetarian, he was saying you know what octopus is in the ocean, they go around picking up all kinds of shiny stuff and they put it around their cave, and it just sounded beautiful. so i was a bit deranged and you

know a real weird brain damage at the time, and how beautiful, so i would like to be under the sea in an octopus garden in the shade, and that is how that started, it was on the abby road album. you turned that into a way of life. it is like you say you don't want to go back to the old traditional studios. you have pro tools, you have your home, you have your dogs and -- >> talk about how that artistically how that makes it so much easier and more enjoyable. >> it's more enjoyable because if you look at the credits they're all my friends.

there are not a lot of musicians on the album. joe is on three, steve judas is on four. you know, dave stewart, you know, so that is how it works, so we're comfortable with each other. and i just don't like the big glass separation. there is no separation in my studio really. and the drums are in the bedroom. the drums are in the bedroom, and they sound better than anywhere else i have ever played them. >> how do you think it impacted music that you can record on pro tools, you can distribute -- >> i think it is a natural move like the natural process of life. sending guys to the moon, there

is more power on this, it is like mad. and it is just the way of it, and i think also we have to recognize that the kids are wild now for -- the garage band kids. we were garage but i moved to the guest house. i do feel, i know someone was talking today about this that is my last album. ten tracks, album, that's it, last one. i want to go in and do like three tracks. i think an ep is enough now. >> isn't that fun ny how it changed? the record industry was driven by singles. we're kind of getting back to that now by the way people listen, but we're moving back to an independent label. you can put out a single and maybe that makes more sense to do a song or four songs. two other songs, "what's my

name," don't you think it's going to be an anthem? >> i have done that for the last 15 years on teenage while i'm touring and unbe nownst to me, someone said have you ever heard the song that kcolin wrote. no idea, he never mentioned it so i called colin and i said i hear you have a song called "what's my name." bring it over, let's have a look at it. i believe the story goes that he was searching for the words of this song six years away. he took everything out again to bring it over. and i just loved it.

because do i that every night. it is like part of the act, and it just rocks, and it is fun. >> so the first song, got to get up to get down. >> we can't call it that. >> why is that? >> we didn't know that at first. we were out to dinner, just one of those dinners and someone said -- you have to get up to get down and it was like yeah, we have a song and i'm going into my studio and joe is coming over, and that's the title, but there has been three songs out there you to get up to get down. >> oh really? >> yeah, so universal said you have to get up instead.

>> people have been trying to shovel money at you but you said they only want to hear from like '62 to '70. i thought i had red everything about you and everything about the beatles until i read your book. i had no idea that bureaucratic paperwork in england and you would have split and left for texas. >> lightning happening. my favorite blues player of all time, i just feel lightning. i'm sitting in liverpool. i have cot into country, blues, pop, and i loved lightning's style. so as you do at 19 you decide to immigrate. we were working at the factory. we went to the consulate in

liverpool and they give us a list of factories we could apply at. we filled in the all of the forms and they were lengthy and we took them back and they said okay, they gave us more forms, and we were teenagers. and we just ripped them up. we didn't fill out any more. it was too much work. that's how you react when you're a teenager. >> so another day in the life, what are you proudest of with the book? what do you think people will get the most out of in getting the book? >> everything that i do outside of player is for our charity. it all goes to charity. and it is great to put my pictures in it. and i think people will find, you know, it is like my painting. if i painted just a painting, that's how it is. i have to get over the attitude that oh, it's not quite

rembrant. it's just what you do, that's how i paint now, it releases me from that fear and i take photos of anything. if you look at pictures of anything. maybe a plug in the wall, but they're faces to me. and you play -- i'm in a mood that whatever i left at dinner, i take photos of it or potato man with asparagus mouth. this is all on tour, i have a huge glass of organic veg before i got on stage and it is a lot of beet juice on it and i was painting and flashing with the

beet juice, so i take a picture for the book. i think one of the fun ones for me is there is a soon, and it's got lights in it and i was look oh, look at that lights in that, i'm going to just show them, you know you can do it. >> our thanks to ringo starr for spending time with us. what's my name, and it is called "a day in the life." >> hi, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is veteran's day and here is what is happening. the biggest week in the itch peachment inquiry so far. so far it has taken maplace wita group of lawmakers behind closed door and secondhand con