we don't know whether the suspect is still alive in the house. we've heard from a couple of authorities that the suspect may have shot himself, but we don't know whether that's correct or not. they're going to assume, as naturally you would, that he remains a threat. and so they're going to do this entry by the book. and that's what you're seeing right now. but they believe that the threat to the community is pretty well over because they believe they know where the suspect is and that the suspect is contained and no longer a threat. but until they actually put eyes on the suspect they're going to do this by the rules, and that's what you're seeing play out right now. while in the meantime area schools are on lockdown, the sheriff has told people in the neighborhood if they live anywhere near sawing ugs high school to lock their doors and stay inside. and if they see the suspect to call 911. but they believe they know where the suspect is and they're about to make an entry.

and fully confirm that this is over, craig. >> pete, thank you. our thanks to congresswoman katie hill as well. i'll hand things off now to andrea mitchell. >> thank you so much, craig melvin. another shooting, another terrible day. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in new york following the breaking news from california. authorities responding to another school shooting. this time at saugus high school in santa clarita. that is just north of los angeles. police responding after seven people were injured. at least three of them from gunshot wounds, in an incident that began just the past hour. the suspect fled the scene. all schools within santa clarita's district are now on lockdown. los angeles county sheriffs are methodically moving students from classrooms and auditoriums in saugus high school out to safety. law enforcement in the area have also surrounded a home near the school. you're seeing areas of that now. joining me now, nbc justice correspondent pete williams. pete, you were just describing the scene there, preparing to move in and following safety

procedures despite whatever information you have as to what the actual situation may be. do we think it is one suspect, pete? >> reporter: that's what the authorities have told us. a 15-year-old male who was all dressed in black who opened fire at the school just before 8:00 local time. that would be just about an hour ago, just before 11:00 a.m. eastern time. at saugus high school, which is about 30 or 40 miles north of los angeles. it's a school of about 2,400 students. the shooting happened very quickly, as they tend to, and then the suspect fled. authorities had a pretty good idea which direction the suspect went. they've used an investigative technique that we won't describe, andrea, because we don't want to give it away to locate the suspect they believe in this house. now, i don't know what the significance of this house is, whether this was just a place where the suspect managed to get inside or whether the suspect has some connection to it.

but in any event, they seem relatively confident that the suspect is in the house and they have surrounded the house. we've heard from a couple of law enforcement officials that the suspect may have shot himself. we don't know whether that's correct or not. authorities can't be certain of that. and that's why they're preparing to enter the house using the standard techniques that they would use, taking defensive positions before they move in. schools in the area were put on lockdown, andrea. there are at least two elementary schools nearby that were locked down immediately after the shooting happened. and the sheriff also put out a tweet saying that if you live in the neighborhood anywhere near saugus high school please lock your doors, stay inside. if you see the suspect, a male wearing dark clothing, in back yards or anywhere else, call 911. but that alert seems to have maybe been a factor as well. but in any event, they've

located what they believe is the suspect. now, in terms of the actual victims here, andrea, the number keeps changing. a nearby hospital, henry mayo hospital, said they had two young people in critical condition and three others on the way. that was a while ago. so that would be five people. so we just don't know frankly what the number of people were who were shot. at one point the authorities were giving us two numbers, one of people who were shot, the second of people who were injured. so we don't know if those were also gunshot victims or people who were just injured in some other way. but so far as far as we can tell there have been no fatalities at the school. and so that's good news here, andrea. >> and pete, let's just listen to knbc, our nbc station in l.a. one of the moms is talking. her son is still inside but has not been injured. pete, hang on just a second. i think that interview may have just been in progress.

let's listen in. >> -- the shooter. i said are you sure it's a shooter? she said yes, i heard the shots, i was in the quad, i saw three kids being shot. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i was pretty hysterical at that point because that was just confirmation that you know, from somebody that witnessed what happened and she was a teacher. so i of course got on the phone immediately and was trying to call him but he wasn't answering because i think they tell them to silence their phones. so i started texting him and he finally replied after about ten minutes of just waiting, which seemed like ten hours. but you know, once i heard he was okay i felt a little better. but just knowing that some kids were shot is really horrifying for those families. >> about those kids, do you know anybody that might have gotten hurt? >> i'm not sure. we haven't really heard any names. but like my friends are in there and i've been like texting and

calling my friends and they couldn't answer for like a good like 30 minutes. it was like -- i was like freaking out. i was crying because i didn't know if they're okay or not, i didn't know if they were hurt. and finally they texted me back saying hey, we're okay, they're about to let us out of the classrooms, we've been stuck in here on lockdown. >> so your plan, mom, is to stay here null get your son? >> my plan is to stay here until i see him with my own eyes and make sure he's really okay, and then i'll head on to central park where they're holding them and releasing them. >> i know you heard from him. have you heard from authorities? have they said anything to you? >> no. just from the school. the school district keeps sending texts just saying that there's an active shooter at saugus high school and all the schools in the area are locked down. but that's all. and i've sort of been trying to stay nearby with the other parents, you know, just talking about what they've been hearing.

>> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> [ inaudible ]. >> thanks. >> we heard from a mom outside waiting to actually see her son with whom she texted at least, and a young woman who was late for school. her brother and cousins are inside. so obviously, the concern until they actually see their young people. clint watts joining me by phone, msnbc national security analyst, form former security agents. according to pete williams we think the suspect is a teenager himself. we don't know an identification obviously. but a young man dressed in black. clint, what does that tell you, if anything? >> yeah. at this point they've identified the shooter it seems like and they're either closing in or have it contained, the situation contained. it is worrisome, and i think as soon as they can narrow down or

make sure this person's been apprehended. to understand the motivations of the shooter. when you hear the description even though we don't have many details, but someone dressed in all black going into a high school, that immediately harkens back to columbine, some of the other real tragedies we've had in this country. they will then expand out the investigation. it ideologically motivated or -- and then what's the social media presence or connection? so if it's more ideologically motivated you tend to worry about other connections to other people, maybe being part of it. if it's individually motivated, you're also worried about inspiration, meaning that a contagion can take over. and we've seen thyme and again with these shootings where one shooting sort of inspires someone else to eventually undertake a shooting of their own. so that is where law enforcement will probably go after this, is trying to narrow down in terms of motivations, connections what are their communications like to make sure there may not be

others stemming from this incident. >> congresswoman katie hill went to saugus high school. it's in her district of course. congresswoman hill, let's talk about your community because it's shocking in any community. this is what seems to be a suburban area. describe the neighborhood and the school. >> sure. thank you. so this is the high school that i went to. we heard the suspect was headed toward the elementary school i went to and the junior high i went to. it's a very close-knit suburban community. my mom and my dad all have friends who have been to the school. we had dozens of campaign interns and volunteers that went there. the march for our lives group was incredibly active at saugus and the other neighboring high schools because this is the fear, that so many students expressed to me over the course of the last several years, and they're living not just fearing something like this to happen

but almost waiting for it to happen. saugus, the santa clarita community is always on top ten lists of the safest communities. it was just picked as one of the top safest communities in california a couple of months ago. so parents don't expect this. but i think it's becoming more and more the norm. and it's horrifying for us. the borderline shooting, so many residents were impacted not that long ago. the vegas shooting, we had dozens and dozens from our community who were there and we lost three of ours to that tragedy as well. so this is -- i mean, unfortunate unfortunately we're at a point where as a public official and you a member of congress we talked all the time about how this is one of the worst nightmares to be happening in your community, not only for of course the tragedy but because there's so little that you can say when you go back about what we can do. >> exactly. and congresswoman, i wanted to just -- i wouldn't interrupt,

but apparently knbc is talking to the sheriff who says the suspect was a member of the student body. i want to listen in to that. >> that -- no. that's going to take us a while to go through. we'll have to do a very thorough search of all their social me a media, all their family, friends, everything that leads up to this tragedy so we can understand what went down. >> and can you talk to us more about the suspect in this case? do we know approximate age, what year they may have been at the school? >> male asian juvenile. as you said, dressed in dark clothing. and then the other victims involved were also students from the school. so whatever conflict that was or what led this person to resort to violence, that is a question we're going to have to answer. >> and what i do want to ask you is you were talking about two

locations that you're surrounding and looking at. one of them -- is one of them that baseball field? and do you think the student did run -- the last eyewitness says did run across that baseball field, dropped off a backpack at some point, and then ran into this house. >> well, that's -- based on information. we're going to have to retrace the route the person took and follow up on all the leads. so we'll do an extensive search of the area. we'll use our canine folks to go through the path if there is such a backpack that was dropped off. there's a potential they could have waepd. we're definitely going to debt our hands on that. the containment area, going through the search now, the location of the residence, and we'll take it from there. >> sheriff, you mentioned positive identification. does that mean identifying the suspect as a student and their name or does that mean

identifying the person inside the house? what exactly did you mean by that? >> identifying the student, the person by name, and then using that information to work our way toward locations. typical leads, detective leads. >> how about inside the home? is there anybody else inside of that home other than what you believe could be the shooter? >> that i don't have information at this time. >> how troubled are you, sheriff, by what you're experiencing this morning? we're looking at these images and it's heartbreaking. it's gut-wrenching to see students being wheeled out in gurneys, loaded into ambulances, being led out of their classrooms by officers and law enforcement, heavily armed. what were your thoughts when you got the call this morning about what was going on here at saugus high school? >> it's one of my worst nightmares as sheriff is to have to go through an experience like that. but that pales in comparison to the parent that has their kids at the school in >> pam: because we all embrace our kids in the morning, send them off to school thinking

they're safe, and then we just never know what someone is plotting at the school. we want to do our best to make sure parents know their children are safe, the schools are locked down. it's only a precaution for other schools in the area. saugus high school itself, portions of it are locked down. portions of it are evacuated. the reunification center is going to be at the central park. so we'll be matching the students with their parents and we'll make sure they bring their i.d. to identify themselves. and that's the sad reality of modern life with these active shooters in schools. >> it's very sad to hear that. can you give us a little bit more information about the victims? do you know if they're all students? maybe staff members? we just got an update there are now six victims being treated, two of them in critical condition. and can you also update us on their condition? >> i don't have an update yet. we will have it available in the

near future, and i'm understanding they are students. >> so sheriff, we've been in close contact with your department there. you guys have been doing a really good job of getting information out as quickly -- >> and you've been listening to an interview with our colleagues at knbc, the nbc station in los angeles are dealing with the l.a. county sheriff alex v villaneva. they are reporting six students being treated two in critical condition. and the sheriff saying the suspect was a member of the student body. joining me now is msnbc analyst jim cavanaugh, of course a former atf special agent in charge, on the phone. but first, jim, you stand by. pete williams with some breaking news. pete? >> well, andrea, the picture we're getting now is this is over. several authorities have told us they're now trying to positively identify the shooting suspect.

that suggests to me that the shooting suspect has either been disarmed or is dead. we had heard earlier that there was some thought that the shooting suspect shot himself. but the suggestion that they're quote unquote trying to positively identify suggests that they're -- that they have the suspect now and they'll be checking fingerprints or seeing if the suspect was carrying i.d. or looking at whatever else he may have been carrying, his cell phone and so forth. so it seems pretty clear, andrea, this is now over, about an hour and 15, hour and 20 minutes before it started. since it started, rather. there's no longer a threat here. it's now, as you heard the sheriff official a moment ago saying it's now the investigative process offing trying to figure out for sure who and why. but it appears now pretty clear that the shooting happened about an hour and 20 minutes ago, the

gunman fled quickly, ran through a baseball field you that saw earlier in the aerial picture that's near this residential area, and was dropping things as he went, perhaps a backpack, perhaps he was carrying additional ammunition or other firearms, and then got into this house. we don't know whether this was just a house that was nearby and open or whether he has some connection to this house. but in any event, i think it's pretty safe to say, andrea, this is over. >> you can see from the aerials we're showing on the right side of the screen, pete, they have the area surrounded. do you have anything more you can share about the techniques they used in surrounding that house and entering the house? >> reporter: they used an investigative technique to track the shooter but i think it's best we not say what it is because they may want to use that sort of technique again and probably don't want to give away how they do it. >> good enough. pete, i know you're going to be standing by. jim cavanaugh, i interrupted myself and you as i was about to

ask you if we know anything about the weapon, anything at all about what was used. i know it's a little early and we have several gunshot wounded students in hospital right now being treated. >> the sheriff said a weapon was recovered. sometimes these shooters, andrea, have more than one weapon. they sometimes have a couple or two or three weapons. they can have a few handguns or a long gun and handguns. ammunition is very heavy and the more you carry the heavier it is. so i would not be surprised if a dropped backpack is loaded with ammunition. it quickly becomes pretty heavy when you start running and carrying it away. as pete described, is this the shooter's house or is this a random house he broke into when deputies were pursuing him and he was trying to make his escape? you know, very much like the parkland shooting. when you see that scene there, what you see is the bearcat vehicle for the s.w.a.t. team,

l.a.s.o. s.w.a.t. and they're inside. and likely he's killed himself. >> let's listen to knbc, jim, and pete williams as well describing the scene. >> it was really scary. i was like really, really scared. i was shaking. i didn't know what was going on, you know. like -- >> i'm sure it's a very confusing time because this is the morning where all the kids are being dropped off at school, just getting into their classes, maybe put things in their locker, and then everybody is running, scrambling, hearing shots. so it was a very confusing time. but she did the right thing by barricading herself. and. and these are drills that these students are having to go through now and it's really for their own safety. >> that student was describing apparently hiding under the desk. the drills that are performed in these schools are all too familiar. we don't know compactly what protections, what procedures they had at this particular school but we understand that the lockdown has been lifted at least from surrounding area

schools. jim, you were saying that we suspect that the ammunition may have been what the suspect dropped running through that ball field and going into that house. >> that's right, andrea. l.a.s.o. is going to treat that scene like a crime scene leerks a bomb scene. they have to guess it could be an explosive device. they'll bring the bomb squad in to the ball field. the bomb squad will check out the backpack, make sure it's not a device, some kind of explosive device. once they render it safe they can check, it may just be ammunition. and this guy might have got in the house that s.w.a.t. has surrounded, you saw the bearcat vehicle in the front. that's l.a.s.o. s.w.a.t. i've worked with them. i've 2r5i7bd with them. they're the best. l.a.s.o. is the largest sheriff's department in the world. they're very, very good. they're very efficient, as you can see today. and their s.w.a.t. can handle a barricaded suspect no problem. so as long as that suspect is in

that house alone, andrea, once that happens they know everybody's going to be safe because deputies are going to evacuate the citizens in the surrounding homes. they're going to take positions there and the person wouldn't get out. i think it's very likely, we don't know for sure, that this shooter shot himself. could be a deputy shot him. but it's likely he shot himself. in other words, there's not always an escape plan for these guys. sometimes the whole plan is just mass murder and they really don't plan much after that. they think they're going to get killed by the police or kill themselves or they don't even think about it. but this harkens back to parkland where the shooter did escape the campus and leave and was caught later by patrol officers, i think it was coral springs pd, but they caught him walking down the street. he had gone to a mcdonald's. this guy maybe didn't get that far. deputies were in hotter pursuit of him and he might have, you

know, dropped the backpack trying to escape and got in there. it's interesting that he's dressed all in black. look, some people dress all in black. there's nothing wrong with that. but when you get into a shooter, sometimes it can be an indicator of preparation. when you have the backpack, you're all in black. certainly you have guns. so you've thought about it, you've prepared for it. then the time of day of the attack right when school begins is another indicator that he came prepared. so this is a guy preparing, probably a student or a former student at the school. not for shower, though. we don't know for sure. the deputies and detectives will have find that out. if he's underage, you know, where did he acquire the guns. it's been my personal experience and i think all the studies, i can't tell you how many cases over the 33 years i was in atf. we got -- the kids got the guns sfrt house. they got their guns from their home. so that's often the case. sometimes not. sometimes they debt a friend to

buy it or they steal it but often it comes right from the home. so we'll have to wait to see how that plays out here. and what were the signs if any that this person might have been a troubled person that would do something like that. >> exactly. which is one of the issues that we experienced of course that we all learned from parkland. jim, stand by a moment. catherine white is joining us, former fbi xhekt who ran the active shooter program there and joining us by phone. catherine, when you look at this situation, we're seeing the students now leaving, being escorted out. this all started a little over an hour ago. early morning, california time. obviously a point of vulnerability when students are first being dropped off and entering the school. >> yeah, no question about it. that does happen and we do see a lot of these shootings happen in the morning. that's one of the reasons i think why when it comes to training the schools have to make sure they're training not just for children in a classroom or students in a classroom but obviously they have to consider

the fact that a lot of the shootings occur in hallways and cafeterias, at the bus stop in front of the school, behind the school, kids walking in and out. it's a really vulnerable time for all schools. and as you mentioned, as your other speakers have mentioned, that there's a lot of planning that has gone on with regard to training and that's good and the schools are ready and the police are a lot faster and we do know in this case we may have a subject who has committed suicide. 40% of the shooters generally in these types of shootings commit suicide. so it wouldn't be unexpected. we're speculating still about whether this is a student at that school, whether he -- once he's identified. but we do know from fbi research that the shooters generally do come from the schools. when i say generally, i mean more than 930% of t0% of the ti come from the schools. >> we have an update if you'll stand by for a second. pete williams, what can you

report about the suspect? >> reporter: this appears to be the sort of situation that katie schweit is stalking. we have three law enforcement officials telling us the suspect is daefd a self-inflicted gunshot wound and this is completely over. they're clearing the house where they found the suspect. it appears this is over. an hour and what, 20 minutes after it started. and the authorities really it's astonishing how quickly they were at that school. the secret service report said last week the average school shooting lasts less than two minutes. some are over within a minute. that appeared to be the situation here. the suspect opened fire inside saugus high school, a school of about 2,400 students, immediately fled, ran into a nearby baseball field, threw off a backpack, and then tried to hide in a nearby house partly by

watching the direction in which he fled, partly by using an investigative technique which as i've said a couple of times before we're not disclose here for -- so the authorities can continue to use these in future cases, found him in the house and when they entered the house the suspect was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. so now it's completely over. the lockdowns have been lifted. the advisory to the neighborhood to lock your doors has been lifted. this sad story is over, andrea. now we just wait for the details on exactly how many victims there were. so far the good news is we haven't heard of any people who have died from their injuries. some, a couple at least in critical condition, but at least at this point no fatalities. >> and pete, do we believe, do we know whether or not the suspect ran into an area -- ran

into a house that happened to be open, just a target of opportunity, or was it his home? do we know anything about the house he ran into? >> reporter: no. no, i don't know that. >> and have you identified -- the sheriff earlier was on with knbc. sheriff villanueva from l.a. county. saying the suspect was a student at the school. >> reporter: they've consistently said a 15-year-old asian student who was all dressed in black. everyone involved in this was at the school. both the shooting suspect and the victims all students at the school. >> and it seems we're seeing -- you said the lockdown has been lifted. we're seeing students being escorted out of the school. k see one of the police choppers on the ball field. >> reporter: that was brought there was a precaution in case they theeded to -- that's from the l.a. county fire department. in case they needed to evacuate

anyone to airlift them to nearby hospitals. as far as we know that hasn't happened. they used ambulances to take them to a nearby hospital. >> well, pete thanks for all of your reporting. i know you're going to stay on top of this, but the good news, despite the injuries, the tragedy of this, the shock and trauma for the students involved, those both injured and those emotionally terrorized by this incident, and of course the death of a student and whatever his situation is and was and whether or not there were any warning signs, but at least there is no further danger, no further physical danger to the students of saugus high school, the surrounding elementary schools, there's a middle school in the area as well. pete, do you have something more to -- >> reporter: i was going to say that the nearby hospital that some of these shooting victims were taken to, henry mayo hospital, now tells us they have tower patients there, three male, one female, that the female and the two males are in

critical condition and the other male is in good condition. >> that's a very helpful update. we're just hoping and praying for their recovery as we learn more about the victims of the shooting. we're going to take a quick break, reset. pete williams, stay with us. and we'll be right back. and we'll be right back. cologuard: colon cancer screening for people 50 and older at average risk. honey, have you seen my glasses? i've always had a knack for finding things... ...colon cancer,to be exact. and i find it noninvasively... no need for time off or special prep.

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literally just a couple weeks ago we were like oh, what if it happened what would you guys do? it was kind of like just a hypothetical situation. i never thought it would actually happen. >> yes, i am. he's been texting. he says he's on lockdown, he was worried about me coming here because of the shooter but i said i'm just across the street, i'll wait for you. but they're taking him to central park. from what i understand, when they evacuate them. so i just want to see him. >> a mother and a teen. the mother having been in touch with her son by text after ten long minutes waiting to hear back from him. and a teenager who was late to school today and says hypothetically they had talked about what would happen if there were an active shooter. the hypothetical became a reality today at santa clarita, california, at saugus high school. back with us here with the breaking news, catherine schweit, a former fbi executive

who ran the active shooter there. joining us by phone. as well as frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. now an nbc news national security contributor. catherine, let's ask frank figliuzzi first, as you look at this situation and how quick the response was, it really matches the statistic now. the secret service has statistics for how quickly they can respond to this kind of situation. >> yeah. it's both a sad state of affairs and a positive development that the police unfortunately have had so much practice with this that they're able to respond, contain and neutralize very quickly. so that's one bright spot in an otherwise very dark story today. i'm interested in a couple of things here. first the fact that this student decided to end this in a residence and what the significance of that residence is, whether it's his home or whether it's a friend's house or whether it's simply the first

unlocked door that he found while he was on the run, if it's his home there may be -- that may be a factor. the home may be a factor here. he decide to go back, retreat into the home. and we're still not entirely sure who else may have been in the home, including parents or siblings. we need to learn that. then i'm always take an opportunity when these things happen all too often to just remind the public of the warning signs and indicators. because likely for someone in this story, classmates, counselors, teachers, and/or family it's likely that some of the warning signs were there. whether it's increasing isolation, whether it's a sense of hopelessness and despair, whether it's talk of hurting yourself or others. i constantly remind folks, if you've got someone like that in your life, speak up, speak out, get someone on it because we don't want to see this continue to play out. >> and catherine, as pete

williams was reporting, the suspect who apparently took his own life is 15 years old, asian, described by police and the sheriffs as a student. all dressed in black. who dropped some bag or a package which could have been a heavy object containing ammo on a nearby ball field, then ran into this house. we don't know whose house it is. there are four patients now at henry mayo high school, three male, one female. one female and two of the males are in critical condition and the other male was in good condition, from pete williams' information. and we understand that those were all students. it was a student also shooting at students as far as we know. and the fact this was over and over so quickly tells us a lot about the law enforcement response but it also is another

tragedy at another school which is going to become a source of emotional stress and a huge burden for the students in that school and the surrounding community. >> i think there's three things, andrea, that i think i'd add. it was over quickly. and i think that one of the things that should comfort the community as a whole cross country is that law enforcement is prepared for this and they're ready, they know how to do this, they know how to get there. and although the shootings do end quickly law enforcement is going to be there to do the investigative work. that's the second part of it. they know what they're doing as a group, not just law enforcement, fire and all the other first responders, mental health, hospitals. they've got this down. they know how to do this response. which is fantastic. but the third thing i think is more important right now is law enforcement is looking historically at what caused this and where this came about. right now we know from research that the contagion factor is

very real. one research project that i saw recently said 7 to 10 days after this type of shooting another is more likely to occur. so right now is the time for people to be individual lantd, thi vigilant, think about the things frank was just talking about where we need to make sure people are aware of those around them, if they see something say something. because truly in 80% to 90% of the -- 80% to 90% of the time a shooter indicated to others directly that they were going to do something. we see the planning and preparation. we have to report it. >> it's such good advice for parents, for classmates, teachers, ministers, counselors, to be on the alert for trouble signs with your young people. we've got some more tape from knbc of some of the people in the community. a student from the school. let's watch. >> two of my friends are still

in there. it was very scary because nothing like this has ever happened to me. this is the first time. it's all -- i mean, people talk about it but it's not serious until it happens. >> do you have a son in there? >> i do. >> are they still in there? >> yes. my son's i will in there. he's barricaded in his classroom. >> have you heard from him? >> yes. he's doing okay. he said mommy, i love you, don't worry. >> the fear and panic as parents were dropping off their kids, as kids were being evacuated, escorted out of the school. frank figliuzzi, all those warning signs, those are the signs that people have to be on the alert for. and in fact i think i saw earlier today that the el paso walmart, not a school shooting but obviously a mass shooting, is reopening today after the wounds are being healed, emotional and otherwise, in that community. >> as we learn more about this particular shooter, the

questions will inevitably arise, were there things that officials could have done? as with the parkland high school shooting, stoneman douglas, the high school in parkland, florida, we learned that law enforcement had been to his house dozens and dozens of times but simply was not equipped with the authority to take a weapon away. 50u8 you'll hear a discussion about red flag laws. you'll hear about whether there were homes -- excuse me, guns in the home that were legally purchased or not. and whether or not law enforcement has the ability to get into social media, identify people planning violence, and stop it before it happens. all of that's going to come up again. all of it lands at the feet of state and federal legislators. and quite frankly in the case of federal legislators we're simply not seeing movement on that yet. >> frank figliuzzi and katherine

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pete, what is the status of the suspect in that house? >> reporter: so after several law enforcement officials said that the gunman had shot himself and was dead of self-inflicted gunshot wound, now we're told that the suspect is being treated at a local hospital, that the suspect survived the self-inflicted gunshot wound. so they've given us new information now. they say the suspect is in their custody and is being treated at a local hospital. so if that's the case, andrea, and that appears to be the more updated word now, it would appear there were no fatalities from this shooting today that happened just before 8:00 in the morning california time, just before 11:00 eastern time, when this gunman described as a 15-year-old asian student dressed all in black, and the description of asian student is what the authorities have said publicly, opened fire at the school and immediately fled and was eventually followed to a

nearby house where authorities said that the student had shot himself. the initial word we had from several law enforcement officials was that the shot was fatal. but now the sheriff says no, he survived the shooting and is being treated. >> and we're seeing aerials, by the way, pete, of students leaving the school, getting back on school buses, obviously. everyone's heading home. pete, stand by because joe fryer is outside that house where apparently the suspect was tracked down, captured, and apparently shot himself. joe, do you have any more details? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, andrea. we just arrived on the scene here, where there was also a lot of police activity. you can see they have just in the last few seconds let down the barricade that was blocking this street. but it is down this street where you can start to see some authorities and some media walking down, all the way down to where it curves, there's an rv park nearby. that is the house where all the police activity has been centered over the last hour or so. it's believed to be the home

where the suspect was then found. we've been talking to people in this neighborhood. we should note, it is about a ten-minute drive from the high school. i was at the high school and we drove here. it's about 2 1/2 miles. ten-minute drive. there are a lot of students here in this neighborhood who had left the school and come into the neighborhood. now they have police activity here. i spoke with one girl who lives in this area. she says that she was actually heading to school this morning when suddenly she saw a wave of students coming at her running toward her telling her don't go toward the school, there are gunshots, run away. i spoke with another student who says he was already at the school at the time, he was in the quad area, he heard a gunshot, initially thought it was something else like a milk carton exploding, then heard more gunshots, instinctively knew right away that something was going on, there was a shooting. he didn't actually see the gunman but he says he figures he was probably maybe 30 yards away from the shooter. he ran away and was able to get to safety. so a lot of people are still processing what happened here.

we have heard of course the latest numbers from the hospital. three critically injured so far. again, as pete was saying, we believe it is that the gunman came into this neighborhood about ten minutes away from the school and it is down at this house which we're going to as soon as we break away from you guys here try to get a little farther down there to get a better sense of what's been happening. police had tape up until just a couple minutes ago. >> a briefing from the l.a. county sheriff at the top of the hour. that will be 10:00 pacific time, 1:00 eastern. pete, let's talk about the situation now because we don't know if that was -- we don't know yet if that was the suspect's house or simply a target of opportunity to try to hide from those in pursuit. do we know anything? >> and we should get the definitive word on that in another 15 minutes. but i just want to say, andrea, it's not unusual in situations like this. we are continuing to get conflicting word on whether the gunman in fact killed himself with this self-inflicted gunshot

wound. now, i know that a sheriff has tweeted that the suspect is being treated at a local hospital, and we've reported that. that that is what the sheriff says. however, we have talked to other law enforcement officials who are insistent that no, the suspect did shoot himself and is dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. so until we get the definitive word here in another maybe 10 or 15 minutes, andrea, i think we just have to say we're not sure one way or the other. >> i think we should all take a deep breath because this is the fog of war. jim cavanaugh, you've had so much experience with this. you know there can be a lost eyewitnesses, law enforcement included, who are not exactly sure the status of the suspect. >> right. the information flows all around the command post. there's lots of officers there. it's passed to the perimeter teams, you know, out to the investigators. just like pete's saying, sometimes it's a little bit not other totally accurate.

the on-scene commander knows there are suicide attempts that fail, bullets graze the head or the chest. they get lodged under the skin. they misfire. certainly it could be so. but you know, it's a point we'll want to flesh out. but if he's alive he can be interviewed and some intelligence can be gleaned to stop the next killing. but the important point is he's not going to kill anyone else. and that's the major point for the moment. the school's still suffering with these students in the hospital in critical condition. it's over -- the for santa cla rclarita, but not america. as you discussed with frank and the fbi executive that look for the warning signs, for all of the viewers that i think are so smart, they pay attention to these things, they understand what is going on, they always

try to listen, here are key take aways from all of these school shooters, these things usually do end quickly. the secret service said a minute or two or two minutes and they all end very quickly. have your students get out of the area, stop, stay alive for a few minutes, this guy went off t two-and-a-half nilesmiles away. that is about a 45 minute walk. if he is running maybe shorter. that is a pretty good distance he got away and dopingropping ay backpa backpack. what we have heard from parents that got kids out of the house, i trusted him.

he i was sign. i trusted him and really he killed her and all of those children. so always pay attention. don't assume the pressure of a child is not enough that would make them apt firearm. >> joining me now is shawn patrick maloney who was formally working for new york a state with the gun situation, there was fun gun pills passed by the

house sitting on the senate desk for almost a year now and no action from the senate bodies on these reform bills. >> i think about this as a dad, i have a kid in high school, i had three go high school now this is every parent's worst nightmare. they should be worried about soccer, or midterms, or what college their friends are going to. and this keeps happening in america. and parents are mad and frustrated that the people here are not doing anything. and i hear that and you're right to point out that there rr multiple pieces of gun legislation safety that have been passed.

they bragged about being the grim reaper and killing all of those bills without putting them on the floor. if they want to pass something else, take it to the conference and have a compromise, fine, but the status quo is broken. it is not just schools, it is places or worship and nightclubs. i don't blame people for being upset. when we fail tos distinguish who is stopping, there are solutions, but what is inexcusable is doing nothing. >> exexactly right. and you know i don't know how many times we have gone through these dills and in the reality it was a hype them --

hypothetical. what can the students and their teachers do. this was textbook how quickly everyone responded, but why these kinds of protections have to be put in place, why do they have to go through? >> people are doing nothing in this building. our first responders should be teaching and not worried about active shooter drills, they're having to get good at this and they're professionals that care about their kids and we're seeing a whole confidence spring up around playing defense when we should be trying to get on offense. and again, none of us has all of the answers and there are many facets to the problem.

let's do it all, what do you say duo it up? let's do something. the status quo is broken and too many people are getting hurt. >> thank you for jumping in, congressman, during this emergency. we'll talk to you on other subjects coming up, there will be a sheriff's briefing at the top of the hour and we'll get all of the latest details on this terrible tragedy in santa clarita, california. clarita, california. with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's gentle rounded brush head removes more plaque along the gum line. for cleaner teeth and healthier gums. and unlike sonicare, oral-b is the first electric toothbrush brand accepted by the ada for its effectiveness and safety. what an amazing clean! i'll only use an oral-b! oral-b. brush like a pro. i thought i was managing

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no word if anyone died from their injuries. the suspect has not been identified, she described as a 15-year-old asian boy with a black or dark clothing and who was a student at the school. parents are now slowly being reunited with their children.