all right. that will do it for me. thanks for watch iing. i'll be back next saturday 2:00 p.m. eastern time. the news continues with richard lui. i don't think we'll be getting any extended testimonies that will be out right now. >> we hope not, kendis. or maybe we hope we do. >> an impressive work, lot of reading and lot of work. >> very, very quick read. hello to all of you. i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. thank you for being with us on this sunday. capitol hill, the focus of washington yet again this coming week. another full slate of open impeachment hearings set to take place. much of the spotlight trained on wednesday. gordon sondland, u.s. ambassador

to the european union who recently told house investigators that president trump's actions did, in fact, amount to a quid pro quo. >> i don't think the evidence is building at all. and i'm being sincere in this. i think the evidence is crumbling. >> still no quid pro quo. no smoking gun. >> bottom line is that he got the money. ukraine got the mon. >> i president's allies continue to defend his actions with the president of ukraine, as you heard there. how much longer will they as more and more testimony comes out andn another week ahead? did i mention that? the next debate three days away. more poll numbers to share from iowa. they show that mayor pete buttigieg leading by near double digits in the state. that's new. meanwhile, will an apology from potential 2020 candidate michael bloomberg regarding his political past help him with a win in the white house? we'll dig into that. all, this coming hour. a new round of public

impeachment hearings start in less than 48 hours. witness spotlight is on ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland. it begins tuesday with the first four of the eight witnesses scheduled to testify publicly in front of the house intelligence committee, aide to vice president mike pence, jennifer williams and national security council director lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. look for both williams and vindman to offer their opinions about listening in to that phone call between trump and ukrainian president. in closed door testimony released yesterday, williams said she found the president's investigation and the demands, quote, unusual and inappropriate. vindman testified that he found it so disturbing that he reported it to the nsc council. then tuesday, later in the day, former u.s. special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker and

national security adviser tim morrison. volker, one of the three amigos tapped by the administration to lead ukraine policy, testified to rudy giuliani's problematic role in ukraine affairs. on that call, firsthand experience and expressed concern over the president's political requests in saturday's newly released testimony. hang on. we've got wednesday morning. yes, the most anticipated witness of the week. gordon sondland after having revised its closed door testimony, admitting a quid pro quo, sondland pressuring ukrainian leaders to begin investigations requested by the president. now, last week's testimony revealed that foreign service officer david holmes overheard a phone call between trump and sondland in which the president asked about the investigations. then wednesday afternoon, deputy assistant secretary of defense laura cooper and undersecretary of state of political affairs david hale.

look out for cooper, hale will likely face questioning about the firing of ambassador yovanovitch. the week of public hearings wraps up with former russian adviser fiona hill. rudy giuliani and sondland side stepped the nsc to pursue their own agenda and she and john bolton were so concerned about it that she, too, reported it to the nsc council. msnbc contributor joyce vance, natalie andrews, global situation room, former u.s. diplomat brett bruin. we also have editor in chief of law affair, senior fellow at the brookings institution and msnbc legal analyst benjamin wittis. let's start off at the white

house. vic, what is the white house doing in preparation for what comes out? the president said he doesn't often watch these hearings. >> you can take that with a grain of salt, perhaps, or take it at face value, given the context of everything we've seen the course of the last few weeks. whether you call it, richard, bribery or quid pro quo, the situation here on a sunday afternoon at the white house is a status quo in that the president is here, ensconced in the residence behind me here, on twitter. and he's attacking that first witness out of the box tuesday morning in jennifer williams. of course, as you report that transcript released yesterday of her talk in the scif in that secure room in the basement of the capital with the house intelligence committee and other members of congress as well, those other two committees, the president attacking jennifer williams as a never trumper. the second time he has attacked an individual over the course of the last two days. friday was that dramatic moment

in that hearing with marie yovanovitch when the president, in real time, took after her as well. two women attacked by the president over the course of the last three days, marie yovanovitch and jennifer williams, her impression of the july 25th call was both unusual and inappropriate. gordon sondland, you are correct, this is the testimony that most people are looking towards here, because this is an individual who does have firsthand knowledge, who was the president's point man, along with kurt volker, another individual we'll hear from in public this week before the house intelligence committee, who had firsthand knowledge, who were implementing this back channel or side channel, however you want to characterize it, implementing what the president wanted to see happen in ukraine with launching those investigations against the bidens. heading into a crucial week, the president here at the white house, has not left the white house grounds. we don't expect him to do so today.

those crucial hearings began tuesday morning down the street on capitol hill. richard? >> let's take it over to natalie andrews. when you're looking at congress, that's your beat here. busy saturday, busy last six days, certainly. and moving forward, how might the democrats be shifting strategy, if at all? are they reaching sort of the apex as they get to the homestretch in terms of public hearings? >> the goal this week is to tell the story. when you talk to lawmakers, they are wanting to use this week to explain to people what -- why they are wanting to impeach the president, why these allegations are so serious and they feel like they have a good lineup that will tell that story. you'll hear from people that listen to the call on tuesday. all eyes, as you said, on sondland on wednesday. he, in particular, democrats feel like he may be in a hot seat, more than the others. we've heard from people who raised alarm over these allegations. sondland was part of it, and had

bragged about, according to the transcripts and depositions, had bragged about his ability to get with the president, bragged about the ukrainian officials he had talked to. and we'll see what he does when he is confronted with these allegations. and he's in the hot seat. and democrats are hoping to see him squirm. they're hoping to see him have to explain himself and, as we've seen, he had testimony and they're hoping to see that again on tv. >> a full slate ahead of him this coming week, what does he have to get done? >> so the important thing for congressman schiff is to keep the attention of the american people. he has a lot of evidence. the evidence is very compelling. if this were a criminal proce

process -- of course, we know it's political and a technical crime isn't necessary. if it were a criminal process, he would feel very good at having sufficient evidence at least to indict the people he's looking at, possibly even to convict. the problem all along for congress has been getting the american people, those who are beyond the 10% of us who follow this obsessively, to pay attention. witnesses will be presented in this compelling fashion with staff lawyers taking testimony for that first 45 minutes. that's schiff's opportunity to get the attention of the american people. >> the debate is going back and forth with members on the hill. one example here is what i'll play from today on abc's "this week" between two representatives. this is between sean maloney and chris stewart. >> i've got to go back to something that sean said. that is the evidence is building. it just simply isn't true which is, again, why we keep changing the goal post. we've gone from quid proquo to

bribery. >> if my friend, chris stewart, needs more evidence, will you join me on the state department to produce the mountain of emails, notes, call records, calendar entries? our committee has subpoenaed them. will you join me in calling on the state department to produce the evidence? >> you bet. i don't think anything at all there will implicate the president. >> ben, you see both sides and what they're asking for. when you're looking at what the presidents want versus what the democrats are saying, give us more. republicans saying you're changing language here. does it count that much? and in terms of documents, doesn't democrats have everything they need? >> i don't think the language matters so much, except for optical reasons. some messages may play politically better than others but the bottom line here is i think two basic facts that are

amply demonstrated by the evidence that exists, let alone the evidence that won't be produced. one is that the president sought to get a foreign government to dish dirt in the form of investigations on political opponents and their family members. and that is a completely unacceptable thing to do. and the second thing is that the aid, military aid to ukraine was to one degree or another made contingent on those investigations. now whether you call that bribery or extortion or quid pro quo, it's really bad. and it's really unacceptable. and congress will be well within its rights to regard it as impeachable. and i don't think that depends very much on the terminology you ascribe to it. the evidence that those two things are true is already overwhelming.

>> brett, as you saw two of your former colleagues there in public testimony, and we're talking about taylor and kent, what was your reflection in terms of how much information they gave, how forthcoming they were and what more they may have to offer to the arguments being put back and forth there in that very chamber? >> let me first say i felt an immense sense of pride watching former colleagues represent the foreign service, a branch of government that is little seen by the american people. and i thought they acquitted themselves with an exceptional amount of grace, poise and intelligence. and what they presented in a very measured factual way was pretty damning for the president, pretty damning for secretary pompeo. they're talking about our nation's security being played around with as though it was a

new york poker game or, worse yet, a new york mafia exercise. and when we talk about terminology rather than quid pro quo or bribery, this was a good, old-fashioned shakedown. unfortunately, it was one that really has damaged the u.s., has damaged certainly ukraine because what we did was play right into the hands of russia. and i think members of congress, particularly on the republican side over the course of the next few days will have to ask themselves how much longer can we allow our national security to be jeopardized in this fashion? >> mike viqueira, the big highlight was friday. marie yovanovitch. brett was commenting on his colleagues that were giving testimony. is somebody going to be there to say do not tweet? >> reporter: it's been

ineffective. >> so far. >> reporter: yeah. that john kelly, of course, the former chief of staff here, had some sort of restraint and some sort of restrictions on access and tried to dial it back from the president. i can't remember what the exact figure is, the average number of tweets per day has only increased since the departure of john kelly. i might add a lot of republican members of congress who would like to see the president rein it in and show some sort of discipline, that's not going to happen. >> wide eyed and very, very intense when that incident happened with with marie yovanovitch. two days away since that happened. what's the read coming from adam schiff on his team on that? >> they feel like it played very well. if the president were to tweet again, i would expect them to pass out the tweets like they

did last week and employ the same strategy. >> mike viqueira, joyce, brett, ben, talk to you in a little bit. coming up as more and more damning evidence as more is revealed in the impeachment quality. how much longer will republicans in congress defend the actions? a handful of swing counties that could inform where purple states may be headed in next year's general election. year's general election. ahh no, come on. i saw you eating poop earlier. hey! my focus is on the road, and that's saving me cash with drivewise. who's the dummy now? whoof! whoof! so get allstate where good drivers save 40% for avoiding mayhem, like me. sorry!

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a dozen people listened in on the phone call and a number of them were immediately upset because what the president said about burisma. >> well, those were schiff's witnesses. >> no, sir, they're career foreign service officers. these are people who worked in the trump administration. >> schiff's witnesses. the whistle-blower had political

motivations. >> we're not talking about the whistle-blower. >> there are a lot of people who work in the trump administration who have very countering views to that and they've not been allowed to come forward. >> just some of the defense from one house republican that laid out the defense potentially here of president trump as impeachment inquiry grows in terms of intensity, day by day. house speaker nancy pelosi with her rebuttal dismissed the gop argument. >> i really have a real discomfort level of responding to what republicans say, because they are in denial about what has happened in the country. what the president did was so much worse than even what richard nixon did. at some point richard nixon cared about the country enough to recognize this could not continue. >> brian bennett. joyce vance, brett bruin.

the president, of course, has those in his cabinet. we have the attorney general, who is currently undertaking his investigation, potentially a counter narrative, right? you heard from steve scalise, one of his criticisms of what's happened so far, that the whistle-blower, him or herself, was politically motivated. democrats, who is this person? is this going to work in terms of a counternarrative, a defense by republicans? >> the democrats are laying out their witnesses and the republicans are pushing back really hard to try to discredit the witnesses that are coming forward and to also paint this picture of entrenched for their political advantage. the record of these witnesses cuts against that. it's going to be apparent for the viewers and american people who will see these people testify, as we saw last week

come forward, to make a judgment when they see these people on television and their faces and hear about their track record and what they have to say. that argument, i think, from republicans will be tested by reality when these people actually come up. what the republicans have pivoted to as well. they're attacking the credibility of the witnesses, the process. they're also starting to say maybe the president did these things but that does not justify removing him from office. we'll see more and more republicans move in that direction as well. >> we've heard so far the issue of process, the issue of language, as we talked at the top of the show. joyce, if there were to be one defense strategy that republicans might take or counter offensive strategy, whatever way you like to see it here, what might be the best argumentatively there in that particular chamber? >> the best argument that you can always make when you're on defense is that the other side's

facts are wrong, that this isn't true. unfortunately for the president and his allies, they haven't been able to do that so far, and the reason is because that's not the case. it's very clear, very one-sided. as ben said in the earlier segment, there's proof of a bribe, extortion, whatever you want to characterize it as. republicans ultimately will have to fall back and argue that the president, even if he did all of this, that it's not impeachable conduct. that's a terrible position to be in. they'll have to say even if it's criminal he should not be impeached. >> all the kings men and women, if you will, coming up. and democrats can say i have this long list here they all corroborate, more or less, 80% of what adam schiff is saying. will that work in the public court of opinion we talk about so often? >> look, the president's base of

support is extreme ly stable an nothing we've seen so far has eroded the core of support. i think it's probably imprudent to suggest that this week is going to be the week that the damn breaks and the president's support evaporates. you know, that said, the truth is kind of its own goal. and, you know, i think for the house to put on the best case it can. there's john bolton, mick mulvaney and all the other witnesses who are refusing to show up, and rudy giuliani. we're actually only seeing part of the story here. that said for the house to put

on the facts available by that portion of the story is the right thing to do, irrespective of whether it moves public opinion a little acres lot or not at all. >> and part of that process is this. i want to play a little bit of how house republicans in those very sessions, in those public testimonies are responding to what adam schiff and democrats are putting out narratively. let's take a listen. >> i think, frankly, things are going well for the president. you know, they've had three hearings, three witnesses with no firsthand knowledge. >> day two of an abject failure of adam schiff and his regime of secrecy. as we've seen today, he's making up the rules as he goes. >> at some point you've got to say when is it going to be a fair process? it's not a fair process in there. it's not going to be a fair process in the bunker we're about to have to go to. >> this whole thing is a joke. i am not persuaded by the quid

pro quo argument. sondland. nothing happened here. we're not going to impeach this president over this. >> according to primary sources we're about to get a whole bunch who were related to this call that's been in question and the question might be those who were, again, in the diplomatic core, will they have similar testimony as your colleagues did last week? >> i would expect so. a picture is revealing itself, as to what they saw, what they heard, how events were transpiring. when richard nixon sent in the plumbers to the watergate hotel, it at any time have to to do with national security.

this does. when he attacks his ambassadors, undermines our diplomats, that was very real implications for the security of american citizens overseas as well as our foreign interests and the notion that somehow that does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense, whether or not he did it or not is for congress to investigate. but i would argue very strenuously that what we're dealing with here is of the utmost importance for the united states. >> let's go back to those linchpins, bolton, mick mulvaney and the white house, probably not going to stand their stance right now. no, do not go and give testimony. >> the white house is working very hard to keep mick mulvaney and bolton from testifying. when it comes to these lower level bureaucrats that come forward, some of them once they've gotten their subpoena

from congress have decided not to fight the subpoena. that's not the case with some of the people closer to the president and so far, you know, bolton, who has negotiated and talked with schiff's office, it looks like he has pushed off any plan for him to testify and mulvaney as well. those people who were immediately around the president it's still unclear as to whether or not the public will hear from them. we will hear from gordon sondland on wednesday. he is key to the president's state of mind. he had conversations with the president. and he had to correct his own testimony to say that he relayed to the president that the aid would be held up unless there was a public compliment to launch investigations that the president had made. the other piece of that is to hear more from sondland about those phone calls and it will be interesting to see how he comports himself on wednesday. >> major character in that narrative that the democrats are

putting forward especially with ambassador sondland. from the testimony we got yesterday, bolton did speak with the president about this very issue of ukraine. that might pull some folks out of the woodwork. we'll see. brian bennett, joyce vance, brett bruin, benjamin wittes, thank you for joining us. despite strong numbers, pete buttigieg is struggling. umbers,e buttigieg is struggling. 1 in 5 people you meet wear dentures. yeah. that many! but right now, is not the time to talk about it. so when you're ready, search 'my denture care'. poligrip and polident. fixed. fresh. and just between us.

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we're three days out from the next presidential debate. as we approach, next year's attention is focused on swing states. where will they go? so important as you look at the microdata. nbc news, by the way, "meet the press," they introduced a new initiative to follow five crucial swing counties throughout the year. got your pencil out? maricopa county, arizona, kent county, milwaukee county, wisconsin, miami dade county, florida, and beaver county, pennsylvania. these are the ones to keep an eye on to get a better sense of where swing state voters may be headed in 2020 in the states themselves you're looking at. kent county voter turnout dropped from 2012 to 2016. meanwhile overall voter turnout up nearly three% state wide.

grand rapids, michigan, dasha burns. dasha, one thing about michigan is, of course, you have a lot of unique qualities to it. manufacturing. you've got a border state. >> uh-huh. >> birth place of motown. you keep going. >> a lot going on. >> right. where does it stand? which way might michigan go from the folks you've been talking to? >> reporter: well, kent county is a really interesting place. you talk about all the different narratives in michigan. let me give you a breakdown of what's happening here and why this is going to be such an important county in particular to watch. so, back in 2016, donald trump did win kent county, but he won it by a much smaller margin than mitt romney did in 2012. that's partly because of the kind of republican voter you'll find here. right now, we're in grand rapids. it's the largest city in kent county. it's also the hometown of gerald

ford. he's sort of the moderate republicanism that republicans subscribe to. lifelong republicans have expressed deep conflict about the republican party. they say they look around and don't really recognize it as the party that they grew up with. and that's largely because of donald trump. that's largely since 2016. now, some were following in the footsteps of justin amash. kent county is home to that congressman who, earlier this year, left the republican party and is now running for re-election here as an independent. others say they still identify as republicans, but they may consider voting for a democrat in 2020. though that will heavily depend on who that democrat actually is. we highway couple of interesting conversations with with voters here. take a listen. how long have you identified as a republican? >> i don't anymore. as trump was getting more and more popular, i looked around

and said this is not the republican party i recognize or want to be part of. >> reporter: this shift in the party, where does it all leave you? >> politically homeless. >> reporter: could you see yourself voting for a democrat in 2020? >> yes. >> i don't recognize the party hardly at all. >> reporter: now, when we talk specific candidates, it was a pr pretty interesting conversation because people were open to folks like joe biden. they were even open to pete buttigieg who, as you mentioned, has had quite a surge with the support he's seeing in iowa. when we mentioned warren or sanders, folks here were skeptical. it will really depend who that nominee is. if kent goes blue, michigan might, too, experts are saying. >> fight for the midwestern vote, hot, hot, hot. now to iowa, where new polling there has a new candidate at the top spot. south bend mayor pete buttigieg.

he leads the des moines registrar poll. up 16 point since september. senator elizabeth warren is second, rounding out the top four. joe biden and senator bernie sanders tied at 15%. despite buttigieg's polling in iowa, a new piece highlighting the struggles black voters have had with him, must contend with his record about race, police accountability and crime reduction in south bend. two new candidates eyeing a chance to be the nominee. there weren't enough after all, right? duval patrick announced his candidacy as michael bloomberg has his proverbial toe in the water. how warm is it? apologizing for new york

city's rather highly controversial stop and frisk policing policy that in the end predominantly targeted african-american and latino men. >> over time, i've come to understand something that i long struggled to admit to myself. i got something important wrong. i got something important really wrong. i didn't understand that back then. the full impact that stops were having on the black and latino communities. today, i want you to know that i realize back then, i was wrong. and i'm sorry. >> one of those reacting to bloomberg's statement is my colleague and host al sharpton. take a listen. >> my position is clearly it's going to take more than one speech for people to forgive and forget. he's right. he's going to have to earn it. but i think we, at the same

time, have to hear him out if he runs. >> joining me now, yvonne hillyard in milwaukee here in studio ross. what does that say about pete buttigieg in the midwest, vaughn? >> richard, you see in that poll the support among independents for pete buttigieg, the appeal he has tried to make and hone in on, winning back the midwest. when you look outside, we're here in milwaukee county. when you look outside the rest of the state, you can go and try to find some disaffected farmers in the rural part of the state or out in the suburbs of this milwaukee area or hone in and focus more on milwaukee county, the most diverse county in the state. back in 2016, you compare the turnout from the 2012 numbers. statewide, voter turnout dropped

3%. here in milwaukee county it dropped 10%. we've been here in the county. having those conversations about how do you get that voter turnout back up to the 2012 levels? frankly, folks here say they felt ignored, not understood and their issues were not reflected in the policies put forward in 2016. i want to let you hear from one individual. the president of the wisconsin black chamber of commerce. this is our conversation earlier. >> all these people that are coming here, they need to understand that the future of the city is on the ballot. if they don't have a vision for the future of this central city, they might as well not come. >> there's been a lot of talk about coal miners, farmers and those in the steel industry, predominantly white individuals. what these democrats, he said, need to do is not only come to milwaukee, talk specifically about investments, educational resource disparities, affordable

housing specific to the city. it's more than just showing up once, twice. angela yang started an organization here in the fall of 2017. right now they have 19 paid staffers out of milwaukee. they're looking to boost that up to 100 paid milwaukee staffers here, essentially doing the work that they said they're not going to rely on a potential democratic nominee. that organization starts now here in milwaukee one year out from the general election. >> the reason that's important where you're at there, vaughn, is the african-american vote, 7% in the state, janel, just as examples as 7% isn't big necessarily compared to south carolina. but when you talk about a mid western state like wisconsin, 7% looks like it could be 70% if you're trying to win over a slim margin of victory here. how are those two doing, bloomberg and buttigieg? >> the polling on bloomberg is

probably a little too narrow and little too early. we're ail little too close, not to mention he's not officially in the race. buttigieg does very well in very white, i guess, groups of voters and less well, considerably less well with black voters and other voters of color. and the question is not just in places like milwaukee, but the reality is that no democrat can win without really laying claim to large numbers of voters in citie cities. >> the reality is that while we've had a lot of conversations about coal miners and farmer over the last four, six years in american politics, 85% of the american public lives in or right near cities. their lives are organized around cities. their primary and political concerns are going to be of those who live in urban areas. one of the things we're really

seeing at this point is we're going to begin to see the very notion of what it means to be a centrist. they're going to have to get more closely aligned with what people living in cities are deeply concerned about. it becomes an unavoidable reality. >> quickly, janel, what's that balance here? can you go too far when you talk about cultural awareness and understanding of minority communities? because it does affect other areas of minority communities -- nonminorities, i mean. >> sure. can the country continue to grow without addressing the concerns of a growing constituencies and are cultural concerns those concerns? i don't think so. you have questions like jobs, health care. i'm not sure that it's possible to have a serious political conversation without touching on those topics. >> as you know and vaughn knows so well when it comes to these topics, it's simple and complex

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♪ live pictures or pictures earlier. anti-government protesters, nbc news' matt bradley has been live for news hong kong. the headlines. and you're seeing this in person here, matt. i'm going to read some of them. hong kong protests intensify with molotov cocktails and arrows. police intensify. the debate over democratic values and systems. >> richard, those questions you just asked me is the question, where is this headed? of course this is a leaderless movement that's why this is so enduring and has been such an effective protest movement.

we're now in month six in protests against the hong kong government and there's no end in site. the reasons why this movement has lasted so long and been so enduring and effective are the same reasons why it's almost impossible to placate. there is no one to negotiate with. they've become an almost self perpetuating machine and tonight is the latest outrage that will probably propel this even further past that six-month point that we'll see in the next couple of weeks. right now in this, the past week, we've seen it go from the streets of hong kong mostly -- that's the action we're seeing just tonight. hong kong university is the last of five universities that were occupied in the last week by this protest movement and right now the police are moving in with vicious force to disperse protesters who had been holding up there, inside the university grounds a couple of days ago and those protesters, mostly young

people, they're really gerding for a very long battle. you mentioned those weapons they're using. we saw lines of molotov cocktails that had been prepared, catapults that had been homemade and set up so protesters could mount those molotov cocktails in the catapults and launch them at police. there's a column of smoke rising from across the harbor. that is hong kong polytech knick university on fire right now. richard? >> i had been there before. it was not looking like that. 15 seconds here, beijing, what are they doing in terms of influencing hong kong's government on this? >> reporter: we just heard from xi jinping, the head of -- the president of china. he said in brazil a couple of days ago that this was undermining the one country, two systems rule that has defined hong kong for nearly the past 30

years. that could be kind of an indication, they could be kind of moving in or trying to decide what to do, whether they're going to crack down harder and use the people's liberation army. that's what everybody here is afraid of. richard? >> matt bradley for us. thank you so much. and we'll be right back. much. and we'll be right back. ♪oh there's no place like home for the holidays.♪

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are on an all-time rise right now. a 16 year spike in hate crimes, in part, because of policies that this man helped to architect in the trump administration. hallmark policies that trump administration including the separation of children at the border and the muslim ban. it's no surprise we knew that reasons it existed in the white house, zone phobia existed in the white house. >> victoria, along with what has been discussed, there's daca. that very issue within itself, the supreme court is set to determine the very fate of millions of, hundreds, potentially of thousands if not millions of individuals. what is going to be happening with this? >> right. so this past tuesday we know that the supreme court heard arguments trying to keep dhaka in place. we won't know until june of 2020

when the fate of daca recipients are. there's a sense given the make up of the court leaning more toward the conservative end of the spectrum. the daca may be taken away those protections put into place in 2012 will be taken away. the idea of ultimately we don't know what this is going to look like, if the protections are taken away, but there's a sense that they may be phased out since daca recipients had different expiration dates for their permits. anything is possible. there is, also, the sense we won't see mass deportations but what is really scary for daca resip yenlts is the fact that under the trump administration, the priority enforcement program that president obama had in place was taken away, which basically means everybody who is undocumented is fair game. previously under the obama administration, if you had committed a felony or multiple misdemeanors, you moved to the top of the chart in terms of

deportation. now, den, daca recipient no longer has that protection. i think this is what we're liking at when we hear the decisions from the supreme court. >> we're at the end of the show. i apologize for the short time. i owe you both a pass, if you will, card to get you to go the next time i see you. that'll do it for this week. join me back here next saturday and sunday at 4:00 p.m. eastern. you can reach out on social media and tell me what you think and i'll get back to you. "politics nation" is up next. only pay for what you need with liberty mutual. con liberty mutual solo pagas lo que necesitas. only pay for what you need... only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liber♪y

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good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's the ain't seen nothing yet. if you thought this past week of open hearings in the impeachment inquiry was full of drama, just wait until this week. house democrats are planning a one, two, three-punch strategy with a possible knockout coming as early as wednesday with the testimony of gordon sondland, the u.s. ambassador to the european union. so far, three witnesses testified before congress