that today, that is part of our mission in life, and we go about with my dad, our dad, as an angel on one shoulder and our dad as an angel on another shoulder. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thanks for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. 6:00 in the east. 3:00 out west. here's what is happening. breaking news. paper trail. what newly released documents show about rudy giuliani and the secretary of state and the ukraine ambassador who lost her job. new turn. the reports about a friend of giuliani, and devin nunes that have the congressman threaten to sue. >> we had a tremendous week with the hoax, you know, the great hoax, they call it the impeachment hoax. >> the president weighed in on the im people hearings, where this is all headed after 30 hours of testimony. there is nothing more

dangerous than an unethical president who believes they are above the law. >> i think the american people see through it. >> was there a quid pro quo? as i testified previously, with regard to the requested white house call, and the white house meeting, the answer is yes. >> he was being involved in a domestic political errand. >> i asked him, well, what kind of big stuff, we have big stuff going on here, like the war with russia, and he said no, big stuff, like the biden investigation, that mr. giuliani is pursuing. two big breaking news stories this morning, surrounding the president's closest aides, first, a series of documents released overnight from the state department, appearing to show a clear paper trail between trump's lawyer rudy giuliani and secretary of state mike pompeo. right before the ukraine ambassador was abruptly recalled. also new today, an associate of giuliani says he is willing to testify about secret meetings

between congressman devin nunes an ar dent trump supporter and ukrainian prosecutor that rudy giuliani pushed to have fired. hans nichols has more. first, can you tell us about these emails? >> what the email does, they prove that there is a white house link between rudy giuliani and his phone conversations with mike pompeo, the secretary of state. we have known from all of these congressional hearings that there had been a couple of conversations around march between pompeo and rudy giuliani, and then it had to do with marie over, who was then the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, and she of course has blamed giuliani of orchestrating a smear campaign against her. what these emails do, they essentially leave a paper trail, showing just where and how giuliani got in touch with mike pompeo, and indicates that they did indeed speak on the phone. now, what is interesting about it is sword, coordinated by a white house official, who was

dismissed for different reasons but it shows you how close it came to the oval office. now, the other new story that we're talking about this morning is the idea that giuliani's former, one of his former associates, is willing to testify that devin nunes, a member of the house, was trying to dig up dirt on the bidens with a former ukrainian prosecutor. now, that's according to this former giuliani associate. he's already cooperating with authorities on other matters. giuliani tried to instance himself from him. shear a statement from devin nunes, which would read, these demonstrably false and scandalous stories published by the daily beast and cnn are the perfect example of defamation and reckless disregard for the truth. some political operatives offered these fake stories to at least five different media outlets before finding someone irresponsible enough to support them. i look forward to prosecuting these case, including the media outlets as well as the sources of their fake stories to the fullest extent of the law. i intend to hold the daily beast

accountable and find themselves in court after thanksgiving. >> that is a legal threat of action of devin nunes denying it and goes after the news outlets and the initial source for making the allegations. and all this comes ahead after the two weeks of open public hearing, the dozen witness, the parade of witness, making their case and now the urgent task for the house intel committee is to try to condense that and have that all be in their single report which will likely go to the judiciary committee. and one wildcard in all of this, this morning is, we don't know what john bolton is going to do, and i think bolton was hinting that he had something to say, on twitter last night, throughout the day, on his twitter feed, he said he had liberated it from the white house. and then nbc news caught up with him when he returned it washington on the acela train and asked whether or not he would testify, a lot of different things, and one thing he said was, i always tell the truth. dara? >> thanks, hans nichols,

breaking it down for us in washington. thank you, hans. joining me now is scott wong, a senior staff writer covering the white house for the hill, and scott, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> marie yovanovitch testified last week that she believes giuliani was involved in her removal. what impact will these documents have on the impeachment inquiry and the gop defense? >> you are specifically asking about these new 100 pages that just came out? >> yes. >> so basically, these 100 pages show a direct tie between giuliani and secretary of state mike pompeo. they bring mike pompeo closer into this plot to remove yovanovitch from her post in kyiv. she was seen, she believes she was seen as an obstacle to these investigations, that president trump had wanted into the bidens, into burisma, and the 2016 election. and so what that does is i think

it turns up the heat on secretary of state mike pompeo. we have records of phone calls, we have dates now, we don't know the contents of those phone calls, but it raises pressure on mike pompeo, to come forward, and explain himself, the reason that's significant, is because mike pompeo himself obviously, a very ambitious man, is contemplating whether or not to jump into the united states senate race in kansas, in 2020. and so he has a lot to answer for. so far, we have not heard from him in all of this. and it really raises the stakes for the secretary of state. >> and scott, the documents also show a group of former ukraine ambassadors including bill taylor, sent a letter objecting to allegations circulating about yovanovitch, saying these charges are simply wrong. what do you make of that? >> well, bill taylor communicated that during his testimony, there were a number of state department officials, foreign service, career foreign

service officials, who, throughout the process, behind the scenes, were defending over, were asking higher-ups including mike pompeo to put out a statement in support of her after she was going through what she describes as the smear campaign and after her ouster, george kent, bill taylor, and others, were putting pressure on mike pompeo, and folks in the white house, to defend yovanovitch from these smears they believed was coming from rudy giuliani. and so that never happened. the statement never came. this showed, these emails showed just the conflict that was happening behind the scenes within the state department. >> and scott, how bad is this news of a possible meeting between congressman devin nunes and a former ukrainian prosecutor for the gop? >> well, as we saw earlier, devin nunes is denying all of these allegations, but it certainly shines the focus on devin nunes.

he has attacked the media repeatedly throughout this process, he used one of his opening statements, to suggest that the media was in cahoots with the democrats in this entire impeachment process. so it is not a surprise that that is his tactic, but i think it certainly raises questions about devin nunes's conduct, and whether or not he was meeting with shokin in ukraine about a possible biden investigation back in, as early as 2018. i thought the date of that certainly was interesting. devin nunes, when we return after thanksgiving, i'm sure reporters will be hounding devin nunes, and asking him about these allegations, and whether or not they're true. >> and you say that nunes will be hounded about this. do you think he is actually going to be called to testify now. >> well, adam schiff, it looks like the public portion of the hearings are closed.

you know, we've wrapped up the two weeks of public hearings in this impeachment probe. it would be highly unusual to have the ranking member of the intelligence committee being called to testify behind closed doors or publicly of his own committee. i just don't see that happening. i don't think devin nunes would agree to that anyway. it is a highly unusual situation, when you have the ranking member of that committee being now the subject of this larger impeachment investigation. >> scott wong, thank you so much for your input this morning. >> thank you so much for having me. now to the other big story, this morning, it is day 61 of the impeachment inquiry, and after a whirlwind week of testimony from nine key witness, president trump is on the defense. nbc's peter alexander has more. >> reporter: among a parade of witnesses, 12 testifying over five days, the president's former russia adviser, fiona hill, who debunked the conspiracy theory that ukraine

interfered in the 2016 election, to help democrats. but the president touted that theory again. >> you know, the fbi has never gotten that server. that's a big part of this whole thing. why did they give it to a ukrainian company? that's what the word is. >> this is a fictional novelty being perpetrate and propagated by the russian services themselves. >> senators were briefed on the russia news long information campaign to frame ukraine for moscow's hacking and house democrats move closer to an impeachment vote, the president is firing back. we had a tremendous week with the hoax, you know, the great hoax, they call it the impeachment hoax, and that's really worked out incredibly well and we have trum dose support. >> in the nearly hour long phone call with fox news, president trump says he welcomes an im people trial in the house if the house votes to move forward. >> frankly i want a trial. number one, they should never, ever impeach.

>> president trump also delivering his take on david holmes the embassy aide in ukraine who says he overheard that cell phone conversation where he says the president asked ambassador gordon sondland on an update on the quote investigation. >> it was quite loud. when the president came on, quite distinctive. >> i can't hear when, and you can be two feet away, i can't hear people making calls. i can't hear the other side. that was a total phony deal. >> meanwhile, this mysterious tweet from former national security adviser john bolton who is now back on twitter, claiming the white house refused to return access to my personal twitter account. out of fear of what i might say? the white house says it did not block the account. >> reporter: and this morning, we're also hearing about the justice department's internal watchdog report about the fbi's investigation of the trump campaign, due out next month. sources familiar with that report say it will accuse lower level fbi agents of mistakes, including in applying for court permission for surveillance of a trump campaign adviser.

but they say it discounts claims of fbi bias. dara? >> peter alexander, thank you. joining me now is david mark, deputy news editor at the washington examiner and david, good morning to you. could john bolton be the missing piece of the democrat's impeachment case here? >> house democrats at this point seem willing to go ahead with the impeachment process absent john bolton. it sure does seem like he has a lot of relevant information to offer but he has also been playing rather hard to get, saying he won't testify, unless he's ordered to by a court, each on twitter, when he resumed his activity, he didn't really give away anything of substance. mostly just talked about returning to twitter. and how happy he was. so it doesn't seem like he is going to be pulled in. but there is still a good ways it go with this. >> to that twitter account, what do you make of the details surrounding his return to twitter? did the house really unfairly suppress his account? >> it's hard to say it.

is possible, as a government official, the agency, working for, in this case, the white house does have a right to control social media, but it is also not difficult to just set up a new account on twitter, so it is funny that he sent out four or five messages about the logistics and technical aspects of returning to twitter, but again, he didn't get into any of the substance of the ukraine situation, which is what people really care about. >> and let's move to the impeachment inquiry. because here is the potential time line, when this goes to the house judiciary committee, what will that look like? will we hear from other witnesses to bolster the democrats' case? >> it remains to be seen. house democrats at this point feel like they're basically done with the fact-finding part of the investigation. i think the real question is, if they bring, if they draw up impeachment article, move them over to the house judiciary committee, is it strictly related to the ukraine, do they broaden it out to other issues, like the mueller report, broader

russian interference in the 2016 election or perhaps other matters we're not even discussing right now. >> is the senate republicans, if they let it drag on for months, would it help or hurt their chances in a 2020 win for the white house? >> it still would be a good nine, ten months out from election day. so i'm skeptical, impeachment activity would actually have that much relevant impact on the elections. but of course, we never know. we haven't seen this kind of trial before. we've had prior impeachment trials, but this one is a whole new ball game. >> and david, this impeachment hearing, they wrapped up this week with strong testimony from former adviser on russia and europe fiona hill and political affairs council for the embassy david holmes. take a listen. >> you put up on the screen ambassador sondland's emails. and who was on these emails and he said these are the people who need to know that he was absolutely right, because he was being involved in a domestic

political errand. and we were being involved in national security foreign policy. and those two things had just diverged. >> my clear impression was the security assistance hold was likely intended by the president either as an expression of dissatisfaction with ukrainians who had not yet agreed to the burisma biden investigation, or as an effort to increase the pressure on them to do so. >> david, what was the most damning thing that we heard this week? >> i think that notion this there from fiona hill the former trump russia, trump administration, russia adviser, calling it a domestic political errand, saying essentially what administration officials were saying, or those outside the administration, were going against u.s. foreign policy. it was not in line with the best interests of the united states. that's the kind of thing that would get to the heart of any impeachment articles, to come forward. >> david, did the ambassador, gordon sondland's testimony wednesday, was that as explosive

as democrats hoped it would be? >> it was pretty good for democrats. we want to look at it that way, he clearly said yes, there was a quid pro quo, as he called it, for trading, for the president trying to lean on his ukrainian counterparts to dig up political dirt on joe biden the former vice president and 2020 candidate. i'm not sure that sondland's testimony or any of the testimony changed any minds but it certainly bolstered the case house democrats plan to bring. >> david, great to have you this morning. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. and overseas now, a new fallout from the jeffrey epstein scandal, britain's prince andrew is now facing an uncertain future after widely criticized remarks in the interview of the bbc about his friendship with epstein even after epstein was convicted of sex offenses. >> would you be willing to testify or give a statement under oath if you were asked? >> well i'm like everybody else,

and i would have to take all the legal advice that there was, before i was to do that sort of thing, but if push came to shove, and the advice was to do so, then i would be duty-bound to do so. >> prince andrew has also denied improper relationships with at least one of epstein's accusers. nbc's keir simmons has more. >> reporter: prince andrew determined not to go into hiding seen out riding with the queen but canceling a business trip to bahrain. prince charles said to be pushing for his brother's withdrawal from public life at least for the foreseeable life at least according to british newspapers. >> it rather tells you the shift of power from the queen to the man who sometimes referred to as the shadow king, if you like. >> his friendship with convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein and lack of remorse in last weekend's interview engulfing

the royals in crisis. >> excuse me ma'am, do you have the full support of the royal family william. >> his sister princess ann facing questions. among a lengthening list, barclay's, the royal philharmonic orchestra deciding to part company and the cambridge university reviewing his position as a patron. william barr initially had his own suspicions about financier jeffrey epstein's death behind bars at one of the most secure jails in america but came to conclude that his suicide was a result of a perfect storm of screw-ups. the palace intrigue this week, the story line from the crown, prince andrew hopes to return to royal duties within months, some british newspapers report, and others reporting he's been forced to move his office out of buckingham palace. keir simmons, nbc news, london. what about mike pompeo? a look at the legal peril he may be in, after this week's testimony in the impeachment inquiry. >> and why a former house, white

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pompeo is now being drawn even closer to the trump ukraine scandal at the center of the impeachment inquiry. first was ambassador to the eu gordon sondland's testimony and now overnight an emgtsz grothic has published unreleased states department documents that shows a clear paper trail from president trump, his lawyer rudy giuliani, and secretary pompeo. right before ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch was abruptly recalled. joining me now is matt aputo, an msnbc contributor and reporter with "the new york times," and matt, good to have you. between sondland's testimony and the newly-released documents, what do you make of what is being revealed on pompeo's role in all of this? >> i'm sorry, we, we will see if we can get matt back. we don't have him at the moment. so we are going to move on here and hopefully get matt before the end of the hour. rudy giuliani's name has now been mentioned more than 200 times during the public impeachment hearings, and legal jeopardy, the president's attorney is now facing, that's coming up next. torney is now fas

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now to the morning headlines, a 13-year-old student is under arrest this morning, after police unraveled a school shooting plot in los angeles.

investigators who recovered a high-powered rifle, and ammunition from the suspect's home, said that students and teachers prevented friday's alleged plan attack. >> multiple students overheard the school threat on campus, and teachers emailed the administration about concerns raised by the students. in this case, the fact that people stepped forward and said what they had heard led us to be able to prevent a tragedy today. >> police say the suspect even had a list of intended targets. former penn state football coach jerry sandusky is serving the same sentence this morning as he was given search years ago. he was resensed friday to 30 to 60 years in prison for sexually abusing children. the 75-year-old who was convicted in 2012 was renenced due to a lame that mandatory minimum sentences were improper applied. a warning this morning to be extra careful with romaine lettuce because of an outbreak of e. coli. the fda reports at least 40 people in northern states have

gotten sick. health officials believe the source of contamination may be farms in salinas, california. now back to the democrats impeachment inquiry into the president's alleged abuse of power as multiple witnesses who testified over the past two weeks on the hill, describe rudy giuliani's efforts to pressure ukraine to announce investigations into burisma and the bidens. take a listen. >> the three priorities of security, economy, and justice, and our support for ukrainian democratic resistance to russian aggression, became overshadowed by a political agenda promoted by former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. >> i had also gotten ambassador sondland's attention, the attack, the smear campaign against ambassador yovanovitch and in the course of that discussion, that rudy giuliani was a hand grenade that was going to blow everyone up. >> ambassador sondland stated damn it, rudy, every time rudy gets involved he goes and f's

everything up. >> what mr. giuliani was saying was pretty explosive and pushing forward issues and ideas that would probably come back to haunt us. >> joining me now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos and let's break this down. first, what sur response to the testimony? >> this testimony paints a damning picture of rudy giuliani's activities. rudy giuliani does enjoy a potential exception under the foreign act for foreign registration of agents for acting as an attorney, but that's a very limited exception. it applies in my case, for example, i've represented foreign nationals, and if you are doing it in a criminal context only, you're essentially advocating for them, and arguably, even advocating for u.s. attorneys and federal agents in that sense, but that's part of the exception. you're representing them in a criminal context. anything more than that, where you're lobbying, or doing anything to convince, or this government to do anything for a foreign government, that gets into the fara act and rudy

giuliani should have some real concerns. >> and under the rule of law, what are the limitations here for attorney-client privilege? does that defense now become inadmissible because rudy giuliani was not functioning as a business agent, and not a lawyer? >> the attorney-client privilege applies in very narrow circumstances. for example, you must be acting as an attorney. if you're doing something else, acting as a private state department official, or a lobbyist, or something else, there's no privilege. if the communication is to anyone else, other than the attorney, and the complaint, the privilege may be defeated. so if he's out there talking to anyone other than the president, then that should set up alarm bells that the attorney-client privilege may not apply. and then thirdly, you have what's called a crime fraud exception. if you're actually as an attorney engaging in a crime, then the attorney-client privilege can't aapply, because we can't incentivize using the privilege to shield ongoing

criminal activity in which the attorney is actually involved. >> did these testimonies reveal rudy giuliani or other administration officials who coordinated rudy giuliani violate the foreign corrupt practicing act? according to the d.o.j. web site's, the act prohibits the willful use of quote any payment or authorization of the payment unknowing that all or a portion of such money or thing of value will be offered, given or promised, to a foreign official, to influence the official. your thoughts? >> the problem is it is very broadly drafted and we don't have a lot of case law, or precedent to apply to know exactly when it applies. the other strange thing about fara, unlike most other criminal law, the defendant has to know he was violating fara in order to be held responsible. so that together and the amorphous kind of nature of fara makes it difficult to say, to look at a particular set of facts and say that is a fara violation. the exception of fara probably

isn't something rudy can take advantage of, because it is very narrow, and it really only applies when you're acting as an attorney-type advocate in the context of say defending a client from a criminal case. so if federal prosecutors want to explore fara violations, they've got a lot of tools under the statute to work with. >> dr. fiona hill said earlier that she questioned the credibility of ambassador gordon sondland's testimony. take a listen. >> i think from listening to him and his depositions and in, you know, what i've read, he made it very clear that he was surprised we had some kind of objection. >> the burisma and the bidens. >> yes. >> is it credible to you that mr. sondland was completely in the dark about this all summer? he had an argument about it. >> i'm sorry, i couldn't hear your answer. >> it is not credible that he was oblivious. >> could gordon sondland be in

legal jeopardy if he lied to the committee? what happens next? >> potentially, this was always gordon sondland's escape hatch, as he was approaching his testimony, he had to be thinking, well, everyone's going to say that i was involved with giuliani, that i was involved with the president, i was a direct connection, and as he said himself, there was a quid pro quo. so the only option left in a rapidly-winnowing set of options, yes i knew we were investigating corruption, yes i knew we were investigating burisma, but wait a minute, i didn't know burisma meant biden. that is one of his very few alternatives or options available that are left for him to escape any kind of trouble. so it is no surprise that they are retreating to that hill. they're saying well, burisma, maybe, that would have been okay, but biden, we didn't know there was a connection. >> danny cevallos, thanks so much for being here this morning.

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should the whistle-blower be fired, mr. trump? >> what whistle-blower? i don't think there is. i consider it to be a fake whistle-blower. because what he wrote didn't correspond to what i said in any

way, shape or form. >> president trump first wanted the whistle-blower outed. now, he is saying he doesn't think the whistle-blower exists. this, after a week of dramatic testimony in the house impeachment inquiry. a total of 12 witnesses, many of them career foreign service officers, testified publicly over a period of five days. providing more than 34 hours of evidence, in the impeachment inquiry. nbc has the highlights. >> reporter: after a dramatic week two of public impeachment hearing, republicans are already plotting how they will defend president trump in the senate, as democrats contemplate their next move in the house. >> everyone was in the loop. >> wednesday, began with a bombshell, u.s. ambassador to the e uchltd, eu, gordon sondland says it was a promise to investigate trump's political rival, sondland says it was held at the express direction of the

president of the united states. >> was there a quid pro quo? as i testified previously, with regard to the requested white house call, and the white house meeting, the answer is yes. >> it's a claim president trump quickly denied, notes in hand. distancing himself from the donor turned diplomat. >> i say to the ambassador's response. i want nothing. i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. >> later, wednesday, another surprise revelation, laura cooper, a top pentagon official said leaders in ukraine were aware there was some kind of issue with the military aid as early as july 25th. the same day as a call between president trump and the leader of ukraine. >> some of those who listened to that july 25th call said the white house summary was substantially correct, but described it as less than perfect. >> i found the july 25th phone call unusual. it involved discussions of what appears to be a domestic

political matter. >> it is improper for the president of the united states to demand a foreign government investigate a u.s. citizen and a political opponent. >> i feared at the time of the call, on july 25th, how its disclosure would play in washington's political climate. my fears have been realized. >> and while some officials anticipated the potential controversy, kurt volker, the former special u.s. envoy to ukraine revised his earlier testimony. now saying he never linked president trump's desire to investigate corruption to investigate the bidens. >> in retrospect i should have seen that connection and had i done so i would have raised my own objections. >> it is a connection not lost on fiona hill, who made it clear from sonland exactly who was pulling the string. >> i said to him, who put you in charge of ukraine and i was a bit rude and that's when he told me the president which shut me

up. he was being involved in a domestic political errand. and we were being involved in national security foreign policy. and those two things had just diverged. >> hill later slammed the conspiracy theory that was ukraine and not russia who interfered in the 2016 election. >> this is exactly what the russian government was hoping for, that they would pit one side of our electorate against the other, that they would pit one party against the other. >> another damming bit of testimony, top embassy aide in ukraine david holmes describing a phone call he overheard between sondland and the president of the united states. a call that came one day after trump's phone call with ukrainian president zelensky asking for a favor. >> so you heard president trump, asking ambassador sondland, is he going to do the investigation? >> yes, sir. >> what was sbaz dor sondland's response? >> he said oh, yeah, he's going to do it.

he's do anything you ask. >> on thursday, house speaker nancy pelosi said democrats have yet to decide their next steps. and once again, put out an offer for president trump to testify before the house intelligence committee. >> thank you. new overnight, an ethics group has published unreleased state department documents that the group says shows a clear paper trail between president trump, his lawyer rudy giuliani, and secretary of state mike pompeo. right before ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch was abruptly recalled. right now, we're going to go back to breaking the bank, and up next, blockle bloombemichael record ad buys, will they help his chances in the possible 2020 race? ossible 2020 race .♪ ♪when you pine for the sunshine of a friendly gaze.♪

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seabright, a former adviser to the hillary clinton campaign, here is what some of the other 2020 democrats are saying. let's listen. >> you know, listen, we got to get money out of politics to. be honest with you. i mean i got to raise a ton of money to be competitive. and you know, some people started this race with $10 million. >> money will not win this election. connecting with people will. >> antjaun, what sur reaction to this news and how significant is it? >> a couple of things. i agree and i disagree. i agree with mayor bloomberg's ability to participate in this nominating process, i'm in the going to criticize him for having resources, i disagree so much with. so candidates. look, we do not know the content, or what these ads are going to be so, i think it is

probably not a good idea for us to criticize what we do not know. there are other reports that he is going to spend $15 to $20 million on voter registration over the next couple, over the next coming days and weeks. and so i see it this way. i see it as expanding our coverage, as democrats, if you want to speak in ancillary terms and the only thing i think it could do, if he spends money on voter registration, depending what the ad content will be, if that highlights the corruption of donald trump, and pushes back on some of the things of the republican party, i think that helps us long-term as democrats. so i see it possibly as an investment, not necessarily as an expense. >> and yesterday, south bend city councilman oliver davis, the longest serving african-american man on the south bend council, endorsed joe biden for president, snubbing the mayor of the city pete buttigieg. why is pete buttigieg struggling to gain support from black voters. >> i think it speaks to a larger

issue of his campaign with mayor pete is he had some troubles before he announced running for president with african-american voters and i will be crystal clear what i have been saying since the very beginning, you cannot be the democratic nominee without a strong wide deep and broad african-american support. so somehow this notion that has been painted by some of his supporters that african-american voter does not support him for one reason or another, i think it is a number of things that feed into the idea of why people don't support him, starting with the place that he governed as a mayor. governed as a mayor. support that joe biden enjoys among the most loyal voting bloc in the party and no matter what fundraising numbers may indicate, he still has a padlock on the african-american support to this point. >> senator elizabeth warren made her pitchth this week to black women in atlanta saying this. >> so i just want to speak

directly to the question on some white people's minds. talk about the need to address what our government has done inha black communities, th uncomfortable question of what will this mean forqu me, the wealthy and the well connected want uswe to believe that more r your neighbors has always meant less for you. >> antoine, what do you make of warren's pitch there? i think she notion how to count and she understands this business is a game of addition and i think she recognized the fact that you can't have the african-american community support without having strong, broad support among african-american women, arguably the most loyal constituency within the african-american community for democrats. you have to giver credit to senator kamala harris for elevating the conversation and recognizing and reminding people the importance of black women in the debate on wednesday night.

i think becausedn of her elevatn of the conversation, i think you'll see a lot of people making stronger play to court african-american women, perhaps thoseri who are not strongly behind vice president biden yet. >> at the same rally was interrupted by protesters, let's take a look. >> as a white woman, i will never w fully understand the discrimination, the pain, the harm that black americans have experienced just because of the color of their skin. >> i want to say something, no one is here to quiet you, least not this black woman who know what w it is when people have tried to put me in a corner and tell c me to be silent. you are welcome here, the senator is hereom to talk about the contributions fighters like you haves made to history.

>> antoine, what does that tell you that congresswoman iyana presley had to jump in to mediate that situation? >> itti tells me that iyana presley knows how to block and tackle. it also says this, in many spaces, like the space they were in the otherli day, that having validator like representative pressley, someone who is well respected among african-americal voters,ri particularly african-american women, could be a bigca helping hand for elizabh warren inor her journey. it says this i love iyan iyana pressley, an african-american woman and i'm an w african-american man, and we've not always been at the table. there's a lot ofee places where we've been on the menu. >> antjuan seawright, thank you

very much. we have msnbc contributor and reporter for "the new york times," this new document about the connection between giuliani and pompeo, what do you reveal about pompeo's role in all of this? >> when a lot of this started, it seemed like there was maybe after the whistleblower complaint, it seemed like maybe there was a rogue diplomacy going on and there was a shadow campaign to try to tie you know, to try to get the ukrainians to do the biden investigation. what is becoming more clear, that that was our foreign policy. american foreign policy in ukraine was weic want you to don investigation of the bidens and that was something that t a lotf career people were not in on the loop. that was you know career

diplomats were kept out. butwe when you have the chief o staff, the president, and you have a key ambassador and you havean the secretary of state a involved, that is the foreign policy. >> matt, let's look at this quick, a tweet from former house ethics painter, he writes pompeo is toast. at this point for him, staying out of jail would be an extraordinary aiaccomplishment. is that plausible? what ramifications could be here actuallyio moving forward? >> well you know, look, i'm not a lawyer, but i think that it's going to be harder and harder for the state department to keep itse distance from the, from what's happening in congress. we had the documents that got released last night, those documents camet out in the freedom of information act litigation stuff. that wasn't turned over by the state department to congressed part of the impeachment inquiry. if you're a conservative, if you're on team trump you're

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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. my colleague picks it up now. >> and a good day to you from right here msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is day 61 of the impeachment inquiry. there have been several critical, rapid developments across the last 24 hours. from the white house to capitol hill so here's a snapshot of what has transpired here on msnbc. as we bring you the latest. >> evidence is in and now the house moves closer to drafting the equivalent of formal charges against the president of the

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