including a very interesting interview. i will see you back here on the beat tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. tonight with all this breaking news "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. impeachment full speed ahead. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. i come to you tonight on a split screen nation. just as we're getting news the impeachment train is moving forward at full speed president trump is down in florida this hour rallying his never die troops. ologist breaking news tonight on that white house order to hold out military aid to ukraine. we're learning two staffers at the office of management and budget resigned at least in part over that freeze in aid. that's according to the closed door transcript of a senior omb

official released just a little while ago. much more on that a little later. but the big news of the day is that house democrats are taking the next big step on impeachment. the chairman of the judiciary committee jerry nadler announced today his committee will begin action on impeachment with its first big hearing next wednesday. that came in a letter nadler sent to the president inviting trump to defend himself in hearings with his counsel present. it comes as the president's men, all of whom have refused to testify became further embroiled in the unfolding scandal. in a press conference today secretary of state mike pompeo would not refute the fiction it was ukraine not russia that hacked the 2016 election. and that's the same debunked conspiracy theory trump asked ukrainian president zelensky to investigate in that infamous july 25th phone call. unbelievably pompeo said that the u.s. should investigate that discredited claim of ukraine

interference, lending credibility to the president's false narrative. >> do you believe that the u.s. and ukraine should investigate the theory that it was ukraine and not russia that hacked the dnc e-mails in 2016? >> any time there is information that indicates that any country has messed with american elections we not only have a right but a duty to make sure we chase that down. so whatever nation it is that we have information that so much as suggests there might have been interference or an effort to interfere in our elections, we have an obligation to make sure the american people get to go to the ballot box and cast their ballots in a way that is unimpacted by these mulalevolen actors. >> pompeo is embracing that discredited narrative after we learned it was a fact intelligence that deployed a

network of agents to blame ukraine for its 2016 interference. in other words the american secretary of state right there is giving credence to a disinformation campaign being run out of the kremlin. never seen anything like it. i'm joined right now by ashley parker, ned price, and malcolm nance and author of "the plot to betray america." there it is. in another breaking story just moments ago "the new york times" revealed that president trump had already been briefed on a whistle-blower's complaint -- the whistle-blower's complaint about his dealings with ukraine when he unfroze the military aid for the country in september. that means that trump was well aware he was being accused of wrongdoing when he released the aid and when he denied a quid pro quo to ambassador sondland. let me go to ashley parker on this. ashley, this is a "times" story but what does this mean? >> it just adds another detail

to this rapidly unfolding story, but it's one thing the white house and the president's allies have always said there's nothing untoward, there's no quid pro quo because the president ultimately released the aid. this now shows perhaps the reason he released the aid was because he knew he was in trouble, he knew there was a whistle-blower complaint coming and that is what prompted him, and it wasn't quite the picture they painted he put a hold on aid but of course they were always going to release it. it certainly raises the plausible question he had to be prompted by a whistle-blower complaint in a congressional investigation. >> ned, this is the argument made by the democrats on the house intel committee, he was caught. that's why i gave back the money. >> it's as simple as that. and there's a confluence of these two things that trump knew he was going to be in a political vice if not a legal vice. >> it was news of a whistle-blower complaint and congress put these data points,

some of these data points at least together itself. and on september 9th announced the investigation of giuliani's meddling in ukraine tied in with the withholding of this aid. it's clear they were on at least to pieces of this. this is pattern we've seen throughout this administration, chris. they don't act until they're caught. remember mike flynn, trump's national security advisor, he wasn't fired until he was caught by "the washington post" in his lies after 24 days. same with stormy daniels. trump denied it and ultimately he was caught. and now we're seeing it with this, it's a pattern that's played out time and again in this administration. >> there's so much news today we've got the secretary of state mike pompeo over there clawing away and the same way that john kennedy, the senator from new orleans, from louisiana admitting he was not telling the truth the other day when he said

it was ukraine. it's a war of attrition. how long is it going to take to stop them from lying? that's really the blunt fact here? malcolm? >> what you see happening right now is an information warfare technique, that they have sat down and thought about. this isn't happening that everybody's speaking about it spontaneously using the exact same words. they are using this meta narrative for their constituency, the fox news consumer that ukraine did this, and even knowing this is russian intelligence developed theme which fiona hill gave us a brilliant warning about last week saying they were spreading russian disinformation deliberately. it gets their ultimate client off the hook. and you would think that would be donald trump, but it in fact is vladimir putin. they are actually shilling for vladimir putin to make it look like ukraine did this. i have one way we can start

this. we are just going have to categorize these people who are denying this as trump-russia truthers. this is like people who deny the moon landing or september 11th. it's absolutely ludicrous. >> ashley, i mentioned the fact john kennedy, the republican senator from louisiana recanted -- that sounds rather biblical but he recanted his false assertion that ukraine might have carried out the hacking of the dnc. and here's what senator kennedy of louisiana said on yesterday, actually said on sunday to start this saga. >> senator kennedy, who do you believe was responsible for hacking the dnc and clinton campaign computers, their e-mails? was it russia or ukraine? >> i don't know. nor do you. nor do any of us. >> well, that's not true because kennedy admitted last night to his credit i believe he was wrong, saying he misheard the

question from chris wallace. let's watch him. >> now, chris is right. i was wrong. the only evidence i have, and i think it's overwhelming is that it was russia who tried to hack the dnc computer. >> that's what the consensus is. >> yep, i see no indication that ukraine tried to do it. >> ashley, i'm not a media critic but it's fascinating he said they're wrong, what isn't true on fox and corrected it on cnn. but i want to get to a bigger question. the train is moving. next wednesday they're beginning the action in the house judiciary. it seems they'll have plenty of time in that three week period beginning on monday and tuesday to get this thing done and get articles to the floor. >> yeah, they're trying to move very quickly. and you're seeing that even in the house intelligence committee there's a favorable ruling with

don mcgahn he could testify, but they're keeping the focus as leader pelosi wanted very narrow, and they're moving quickly ahead. that's why they're moving it over to the house judishiary committee. the democrats have not always been an easy issue for them but they have been incredibly disciplined on this, and that's what we're seeing in this very quick time frame. >> why is it working? i know the democratic party has a lot of interesting political personalities in it from the very left, if you will, the very progressive wing, maxine waters, for example, some of the newer members and submit more moderate people established members more like pelosi and her people she grew up with politically. how is she keeping them so together, historically together in this campaign to bring the president to justice? >> well, that is pelosi's skill as a leader. she can count votes.

she knows where her caucus is. and the one thing she said going forward is that this inquiry would have to have bipartisan support. that seems as of now not likely to be the case. but one thing you're hearing echoed from all democrats as more information comes out this isn't an issue they say of about politics. it's one of morality and the constitution and what they will tell their grandchildren. so in that matter she's been able to push them toward this outcome while giving them a rationale they all seem to be comfortable even though it doesn't have much of any republican support right now. >> malcolm, you're up there and i can see the cityscape of philadelphia behind you. but it seems like the people in the counties up there like madeleine dean, they seem very comfortable with this effort right now led by pelosi to bring this president to justice, to impeach him. >> and i think you're absolutely right. but in the ultimate universe

that is another channel, all evening i've been seeing people tweet that the democrats are backing off of impeachment and that 30% -- they've lost 30% support. you know, we -- the democrats are keeping their effort strong and straight and focused. and as it exactly should be because they're following the constitutional norms and trying to maintain the dignity of this process and be factual. but they are going up against opponents who do not believe that they are even on the same planet and that this process is completely falling apart. and that narrative as we keep saying works for them, and it will work for their senate acquittal to a certain extent. >> ned, give me some psycho history here, because i understand people out there -- i know them. ones in my family -- i know

people who are pro-trump and never quitters, they're just with trump. but are people like pompeo, why is he hooking his cart in the history books -- in the history books he will go down in history, his capsule statement his obid will be trump. why are they doing this? they're smarter on trump on this stuff and they might be morally better than him. >> pompeo is not thinking of trump first and foremost. he's thinking of himself. he want tos go to the senate in kansas -- as a trumpee. but right now he sees him as a vehicle, to remain in good political bases with this base and good political graces with this base he needs. we've seen the name from nikki haley, any number of senators and jeff sessions who had a tumultuous relationship with

president trump when he was attorney general. this will remain the case until and unless the president becomes so politically toxic -- but he's not with the base these people need. until that day comes i think you'll see them attached at the hip. but as soon as they day nears i think you'll see them run so fast in the other direction they'll forget his name. >> what did you mean by that sound? i can't leave you there. >> i've seen a lot of phenomenon in my life. i've seen a lot of operations. you know, the behaviors that i am seeing here, and this antidotal, are very similar to the way that isis members are. they are true believers, and this is their reality, and they will not surrender it. you know, they're dead enders. >> i'm glad to see kennedy, a nice name to have in your career, a conservative said today i'm not on the train anymore. he basically said i will not

argue the kremlin line that it was ukraine that hacked the dnc server. i don't believe it's sitting over there somewhere in kiev. he did show something today, some good today i think. ashley parker congratulations on your monitoring of that debate the other night. you're really something to jump into that scene out there. it was great work. ned price, thank you. edward price -- i know your real name. malcolm, i love your attitude. as we say in philly attitude, you got it. thank you for coming on tonight. coming up breaking news tonight, new transcripts were just released in the impeachment investigation including from omb mark sandy who testified in the transcript two colleagues of his at omb quit their jobs in large part because the president's ukraine shakedown. so some people are pulling off this -- jumping off this train. plus president trump believes there are no limits to this --

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welcome back to "hardball." late tonight impeachment investigators released transcripts from the testimony of the acting assistant secretary of state and mark sandy. sandy was involved in implementing the president's hold back of security aid to

ukraine last summer, and he's the only budget official to testify in the house inquiry. he testified he received the order to freeze aid to ukraine by e-mail, noting the e-mail did not mention any other country nor any other aid package. it targeted just ukraine. he testified that throughout all of july and august he could get no explanation for why the hold was put in place. it wasn't until early september that sandy received an e-mail that attributed the hold to the president's concern about other countries not contributing more to ukraine. his testimony appears consistent with the reporting from "the washington post" that the white house had engaged in extensive efforts to generate an after the fact justification for the decision to freeze that money to ukraine. sandy also testified he's aware of the two former staffers who left the omb at least in part from concerns related to that aid freezing in ukraine. i'm joined by josh letterman and

barbara mcquade. it seems there was a lot of covering up and fussing around and fixing and gussying up, if you will. some people didn't want it to look like they were screwing up ukraine and so they came up with this other stuff. >> right. and we've been combing over these 400 pages just released in the last hour or so, chris. and one of the things we learned is that one of these two officials who resigned partially because of their concerns about this ukraine assistance being suspended was a lawyer who was specifically concerned about a possible violation of a law that says congress approves money and the president signs it into law the executive branch can't just not spend it. you had officials concerned this was not legal, and -- >> this was a huge issue during

watergate. >> and we've heard from a whole parade of witnesses who testified there were legal concerns not only at the white house but at the defense department and you see negotiations going on sandy was testifying about, how they're going to do the footnote, what exactly they're going to say to explain what the legal justification is for what they're doing. >> sequence this. was this something being done as effort to justify the shakedown, basically? was it done after the president knew about the complaint, the whistle-blower? >> this would have happened based on the reporting from "the new york times" as well tonight most of this would have happened after -- >> so they were caught? >> certainly part of that. and these officials, these budget officials would have known about that whistle-blower complaint necessarily. the president according to thoks certainly did learn about it. >> how does this fit into a criminal case and how you watch people behave and move things around, evidence around to try to create a different setting, a

different look to something? >> i think one of the things it does is it creates what's known as consciousness of guilt evidence, that if you're trying to hide facts it's because you believe the truth may be incriminating. i think the one other significant part of this, and you're right a law was passed in 1974 in response to nixon's abuses called the impoundment control act saying that it's congress who has the power of the purse. what's so important about this i think is that even if there is no quid pro quo that's ever proven we now have an illegal act in the withholding of the aid as well as an illegal act in the request for an investigation. even if you can't tie those two things together there is an abuse of power by the president here. >> just when you think nothing can add to this stew, moments ago in an interview with former fox news host bill o'reilly

president trump distances himself from his personal lawyer's role in the ukraine effort, denying he sent him to look for dirt on the bidens. that would be rudy giuliani. let's watch. >> what was rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> well, you have to ask that to rudy, but i don't even know -- i know he was going to go to ukraine i and think he canceled the trip, but rudy has other clients other than me. >> so you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? >> no. but you have to understand rudy is great corruption fighter. >> oh, my god i can smell the diesel fuel of the bus as it rides over, and the diesel exhaust. >> and one thing democrats are going to point out is trump is saying this on television, but when you go to the testimony it's been done under oath, ambassador sondland testified explicit that these moves by giuliani, everyone knew it was trump's wish they had ukraine open these investigations. >> full loop and we heard from

dr. hill the next day it was trump calling the shots. and here he is saying you'd have to ask rudy. >> and we saw from additional testimony today everybody knew this was an important thing, they knew burisma meant biden. >> barbara, in the mob situation the lower level people, the minor copoes, these people go to prison for four or five years and get stuff sent into them to make their life more enjoyable so the big guy gets off. but in a rico case you just assume certain things about somebody calling the shots. this president looks like a rico defendant right now. he looks like the guy calling all the shots and now blaming it on his lower captain, his capoes. >> saying i didn't know anything, i had other people who were doing these things is really a way of distancing oneself from criminal activity. it is reminiscent of a drug kingpin or mob boss to have underl

underl underlings do these things. i think one of the things that really undermines his own claims is the very call he had with the president of ukraine, in which he insists you should talk to my lawyer, rudy, and he ties that conversation to an investigation of the bidens as an investigation of the 2016 election. so i think this effort to distance himself to rudy giuliani just isn't going anywhere. it's only a matter of time before he claims he doesn't know who rudy giuliani is. >> to force the president to go into a corner and hide there and say it was rudy doing it, something about o'reilly's not so much credibility because that's a problem with him, bu his toughness -- he did lie to him, but how did he force him to this, to throw giuliani under the bus just like that? >> we've seen the president only wants to talk about these issues with conservative outlets -- >> so o'reilly's people or his people? >> certainly that has been the pattern when he and these white

house officials have been willing to talk about these issues. >> he was channelling the audience of o'reilly, oh, my god those right wingers out there and those angry white guys, i'm talking to them. >> and not only did trump make this pretty clear on his call with zelensky, you also have white house chief of staff mick mulvaney who said explicitly that the aid was held back because they wanted these investigations. >> i think bill o'reilly got a two run double right there. thank you josh letterman, barbara mcquade. up next a federal judge rejects the trump administration's claim of -- who would make this claim? absolute immunity, that's the president's claim. his reading says he can do whatever he wants and he doesn't have to answer any questions for it. this doesn't mean that key figures, however, like former national security advisor john bolton will be forced to give information about uukraine's shakedown. they may have to show up, but will they talk or just write books? you're watching "hardball." talke

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welcome back to "hardball." president trump has repeatedly argued he can do whatever he wants. saying it's in the constitution. he says specifically it's in article 2 outlines the powers of the presidency. here he goes. >> article 2 allows me to do whatever i want. article 2 would have allowed me to fire him. >> when the president does it, it's not illegal?

>> i'm just saying the president under article 2, it's very strong. read it. also take a look at another thing. it's a thing called article 2. no one ever mentions article 2. it gives me all these rights at a level no one has ever seen before. we never even talk about article 2. then i have article 2 where i have the right to do whatever i want as president but i don't even talk that. >> he acts like he found something in the dead sea scrolls. he's got one thing, right, article 2 of the constitution dut grant the president executive power. it does not, however, grant him unlimited power. and the administration, trump, has refused to comply with subpoenas using the argument that the president's advisers have absolute immunity against having to testify before congress. but then this week a federal judge in washington tore down that argument yesterday in fact in a scathing decision order

former white house counsel don mcgahn to testify. she wrote stated simply the primary take away from the past 250 years of recorded history is that presidents are not kings. the justice department has already filed an appeal challenging that decision. but last night one of the president's strongest defenders dershowitz brushed off that ruling and argued a president is more powerful than a king. >> she went nuts talking about how the president's not the king. of course the presidents not the king. the president is far more powerful than the king. the president has the power kings have never had. and the framers wanted it that way. >> for more i'm joined by john meacham and the president of the constitutional accountability center. i'll start with elizabeth because i think -- i don't understand dershowitz, his argument presidents are more powerful than kings.

kings could have people killed just because they didn't like them. >> yeah, that would be news to the revolutionaries who fought and died against rising up of a king. but as indicated by the number we have article 1 and article 3 and those lay out the other two branches of government. we setout a tri part tite with checks and balance. >> why do we have a procedure for impeachment? why do we have a procedure for not getting re-elected? kings don't have to run for re-election. and he can't be impeached. that's in the constitution too, sir. >> yeah, an solutist argument about article 2 flies in the face of everything, really. from magna carta, the 13th

century thomas paine in common sense published in january 1776, five, six months before we declared independence he wrote some say who is the king of america? well, in america the law is king. and in monarchies kings are the law. in free republics the law should be the king. and so this is even older than the republic. and so i think the -- the flirting with and even the full embrace in dershowitz's case and in trump's case occasionally with this solutist ethos is fundamentally un-american in the sense of our constitutional and political norms. >> well, john, i love the way you said that because i always like the guy you mentioned there, common sense. and he also said we can start the world anew and we wanted to

live ourselves without that king. and proving he wasn't all-powerful, we dropped him. we dropped george iii. let's talk about this immunity thing. it's been argued in the past couple of days if white house aides, administration figures are immune from testimony, there is no checks and balance. there's no way to get evidence in an impeachment process. >> absolutely. congress has its oversight role in our checks and balances setd up. this has been true since the beginning of the republic. and what trump is trying to do is not just push back here or there which has happened throughout history with administrations but to have this blanket immunity, and that is what the judge this week really said no go. and we've seen two other judges do that at least, you know, in the cases involving his accounting firm and tax records. congress has the right to get

this information to do its job. >> let's talk about the idea that there's pride in the senate. and i do think mitch mcconnell -- john, is in fact a guy who loves the senate. a lot of people we disagree with politically loves the senate. they have pride. and my question is if the senate doesn't convict this president and remove him from office under an article that talks about the obstruction of congress or the obstrugz of justice, they're basically saying the president can do what he damn well pleases, the senate run by republicans, the house run by democrats or it flips next time. they're saying this president or any president can do whatever he damn well wants to if congress tries to spaena and not one witness has tried to come forward from this administration because of a court ruling. that's frightening. >> it is frightening. and aaron burr if all people who was one of the demagogues that one of it framers had in mind

when they wrote the constitution which was to make the legislative power central said that if a demagogue was ever finally to be stopped it would happen on the floor of the united states senate because of the conviction power. and so that is the last arena. and there are a couple of things here just to think about. you know, the american presidency since world war ii, and then what happened in august of 1945 with the ushering in of the nuclear age has become unimaginably powerful. it's going to skip to the framers and say to madison and hamilton, you know, the presidency was going to be like this because it was just a different universe. after world war ii we had the power to end the world. but all of those occupants of that office, roosevelt, truman, eisenhower, kennedy, carter,

reagan, bush, clinlten, bush, obama, all understood that they were executing a sacred duty some of them overreached, inof them underreached but they understood the basic framework that had kept us going for all these years. where we are now is we are increasingly detached from that reality based sense of the constitution, and that's the big thing to worry about. >> thank you, john meacham. it's great to have you on tonight. elizabeth, i like your constitutional expertise because the president has none. new reporting today on what the former president, barack obama, has said about joe biden and other democratic candidates. plus his initial thoughts about beating donald trump in 2016. you're watching "hardball." in 6 you're watching "hardball. with advil liqui-gels, you have fast-acting power over pain, so the whole world looks different. the unbeatable strength

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welcome back to "hardball." a new quinnipiac poll out today shows that the democratic presidential primary this season is essentially a four-person race with joe biden back in the lead with 24% of the vote, buttigieg at 16%, warren at 14%, bernie sanders at 13%. they're all bunched together. warren's lead, by the way, was cut in half in just one month down from 28% where she was a month ago, down to 14% now. a new boston globe suffolk university poll tied up in new hampshire with bernie sanders holding a slim lead with 16% followed by all four of them within the poll's margin of error. about one in five of the democrats nationally, 21%. they haven't made up their mind. that's in nuchl. new hampshire was a state who usually makes up its mind early. politico's ryan lizza reports

barack obama has been meeting, and all that matters to him who can beat donald trump. that's what obama wants to know. while it might be closest to joe biden, there are reports obama told people close to him before biden entered the race back then that biden would have to earn it. there would be no endorsement at least at the outset. it's also reported obama told one candidate during his own 2008 campaign he had an intimate bond with the leckerate he now doesn't have. and behind buttigieg, sanders and warren and lizza reports obama also had misgivings about the other leading candidates. quote in early 2015 when warren was considering running for president obama said privately

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welcome back to "hardball." politico's ryan lizza reports after meeting with donald trump in the white house in the days after the 2016 election president obama said in ming trump he knows absolutely nothing. it's a very similar remark to what former our friend steve schmidt said after sarah palin, meeting her a few days after she was showsen to be mccain's running mate according to the book "game change." he reportedly says you guys have a lot of work to do, she doesn't know anything. howard, we were chatting beforehand. buttigieg, we'll put him aside for a second because he is appeal to all my fine friends

and highly educated, smart guy, got it together, very articulate, okay. what's going on with elizabeth warren? i thought she was going to sweep iowa, sweep new hampshire and do a fast break right across the schedule. >> chris, having covered presidential politics for a long time that a candidate's greatest strength is can usually be their biggest weakness because they set themselves up to be judged by that. in elizabeth warren's case she said i'm the smarty-pants with all the plans. i've thought this all through so carefully and i have a plan for this, a plan for that and a plan for that. well, when it came time for her to defend and then explain and expand on her plan for medicare or health care for all -- >> single payer. >> single payer. she got caught up -- leave the

ideology aside for a minute, she got caught up in the details of the plan she was developing more or less on the fly it seemed. so i think people started taking a second look -- >> the senator did a two step. first of all she said i'm going to charge to the millionaire and billionaire class and then said it won't be immediate. i'll get to it in two or three years. which of those steps hurt her st. >> her communications director had a good term for it, it's called a poller coaster, and the polls are going to change. i do agree with one point howard has made which is when you put out detailed proposals that does leave you open to attacks and criticism and perhaps, you know, it forces you to adjust some of those plans. but to the other candidates in the race it's interesting that a candidate like mailer pete is surging, and yet he doesn't have any detailed plans released.

he has a douglas plan for black americans and then there was a controversy about the fact they said black people endorsed it and they in fact did not endorse the plan. so i think the polling right now is very fluid and if everybody remembers the name gary heart, i wouldn't bet on anybody in this race right now. >> the difference between these two candidates is more than any candidate i've seen elizabeth warren is running an agenda. she had a lot of plans, i've got a plan for everything. buttigieg is running himself. it's a different way of running this campaign. >> i will point out one is a man and one is a woman and that matters in this case. women can't show up and be praised just based on the potential that you see in them, and i think that is one of the dynamics at play with mayor pete. and i do very much like him and think he's a great candidate, however, julian castro and cory

booker have similar biographies and yet they're not polling as high. there are some dynamics at play with regards to race and jenld and the lens through which we're judging candidates that i think is having an impact on some of these polling numbers. >> hard to argue with that historically. >> moments ago trump again attacked the impeachment process and the democrats. here he is. >> the same maniacs are pushing the deranged impeachment -- think of this, impeachment. impeachment. a witch hunt. the same as before. and they're pushing that impeachment, witch hunt and a lot of bad things are happening to them. because you see what's happening in the polls, everybody said that's really bullshit. >> well i think bury said that a

hundred years ago and now the president uses that language. it does tell you about where we're headed. >> yeah, and you have made the point on the show before that you think suburban voters especially women are going to be put off by that kind of language, and that kind of person as president -- >> a lautd of them spent 20 to 30 years of their life, a different generation than him. >> well, this reminds me of a kind of secular weird almost revival meeting. it's not religious, but he's setting up a light and dark, good and evil, delve avil and s kind of thing. >> always great to have you on. thank you very much. have a nice thanksgiving both of you guys. up next trump fiddles while the earth burns. think about it. you're watching "hardball." k abt you're watching "hardball. great riches will find you when liberty mutual

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in french connection two new york police detective popeye doyle proclaimed i'd rather be -- -- since he declared himself a political figure in the run up to 2016 and here he is in 2017 selling the same regular guy against the world

number when he first announced the u.s. would leave the paris climate accord in the rose garden of the white house. >> it is time to put youngtown, ohio, detroit, michigan, and pittsburgh, pennsylvania, along with many other nations along with paris france. >> what he's selling here is demagoguery. but meanwhile on the planet which we all live on there's the reality that the world has wasted so much time dealing with climate change that according to a new united nations report today rampant unprecedented cuts in greenhouse gas emissions offer the only hope of averting an ever intensifying cascade of consequences. it doesn't take an expert to see what's happening on this earth of ours. in africa we see the disappearance of trees, the widening of the sahara, the climate devastation setting peoples against each other for a

limed supply of good land in places like somalia. in africa and latin america we see the effect the heat has wrought on the population surging north across the m mediterranean and families racing across the rio grande river. here in the u.s. the rising sea levels are about to swamp miami and not far off threaten the foundations of manhattan. in both california and australia cici the wildfires dev straighting communities, the huge chunks of ice falling from the arctic. but more do we have to hear from donald trump? we thought emperor nero was wrong to fiddle but this guy's worse. ee uses the reality of climate change to posture himself as the little guy taking on the experts, the sofisticates, the foreigners. donald trump gets votes by consciously lying about the scourge facing the only planet we have. he's telling us none of what we see is true, none of what our

eyes and minds and insingts atie telling us. next monday i'm going to talk to former secretary of state john kerry about his initiative on climate and much more. and that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> you've seen the polls. we're now the highest -- i'm the highest i've ever been in the polls. >> half the country supports impeaching and removing trump from office as house judiciary sets its first impeachment hearing for next week. >> if we could get don mcgahn or john bolton, i think that would add a great deal to it. tonight the push to slow down so key witnesses can testify. >> i think pompeo would be a critical person to hear from right away. >> as the white house fights it out in the courts. >> but when the time is right, all good things happen. >> then