say thank you to all of those who are serving for us. many of them separated from their family and friends and many of them in harm's way. colonel jack jacobs, thank you, sir. always great to talk to you. happy thanksgiving. >> thank you, chris, to you too. that's going to wrap it up for this hour. i'm chris jansing. more news with ali velshi who ran home to bake a pumpkin pie. >> i gave you a sincere happy thanksgiving not registering fully we'd do this twice. so i sincerely mean it this time. >> as do i. to you and yours, happy thanksgiving and you're off after this. enjoy your weekend. >> thank you. happy thanksgiving to you. rudy giuliani playing defense with democrats. the media and his own boss. headline after headline shows he's under scrutiny as federal prosecutors dig into his firm's business activities.

now "the new york times" t "washington post" and the "wall street journal" is all reporting he was weighing business deals in ukraine worth hundreds of millions of dollars working to dig up dirt on the bidens for trump. he tweeted i did not pursue a business opportunity in ukraine. but it's not just the media. he's also trying to clean things up with his own boss. now according to his attorney, giuliani reportedly called the president to say he was joking when he said he had insurance if trump turned on him in the ukraine controversy. >> all of these comments with which are totally insulting, i mean, i have seen things written like he's going to throw me under the bus. i have insurance. >> i told him 10,000 comedians are out of work, you make a joke. it's not first time that giuliani's lawyers stepped in

for his client. he was asked if he was nervous trump might throw him under the bus and he said with a slight laugh, i'm not. but i do have very good insurance so if he does, all my hospital bills will be paid. his lawyer then interjected, quote, he's joking. all right, covering the president from his golf course -- golf resort is nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. with each reading about this, the plot thickens for rudy giuliani and donald trump. donald trump said that rudy giuliani was in ukraine doing his own thing, not representing him. but everybody who testified behind closed doors in the impeachment inquiry points to rudy giuliani as being directly involved. in fact, the phone call that the memo of the phone call from july 25th has the president saying to the president of ukraine, if you talk to rudy giuliani, that would be great. >> that's probably the best evidence because it captures the

president's own words directly to the ukrainian president, that july 25th call. and what makes giuliani stand out from most typical lawyers even those representing very high profile clients like a president of the united states is that giuliani himself is a principal in the sense he's been known to the public for a long time. had his open history and background. he's a character in many respects and there's a personal relationship between the president and giuliani that goes back a couple of decades so it's hard to know what their personal rapport is now given all of the scrutiny on giuliani. and does it help the president, hurt the president? on the surface these things are certainly not helpful to someone like a president of the united states in these circumstances to have attention going to his personal lawyer. but this is the trump era and things get upended and turned upside down. what we don't know is how much the frustrations that would be typical in any other circumstances apply here. clearly, giuliani is in a

difficult position because there are these documents according to "the new york times" and other papers that reviewed them that show preliminary draft contracts between giuliani's private firm that does security and legal work and so forth, and a ukrainian official and the ukrainian ministry. important of course, these contracts were never executed, money was not, you know, exchanged as far as what we publicly know at this point. giuliani said he was not pursuing this business and never took any money. however, this was in february of this year, when the president was as far as we understand working with giuliani in the midst of the mueller investigation, looking for information that could come from the ukraine related to the 2016 election and to the bidens' activities in ukraine. so the appearances are unhelpful to giuliani and potentially there's legal exposure here as well. he's defending himself, the president's not saying much. except to say, giuliani has other clients other than the president. and that he did not direct him

to work on his behalf for ukraine. even though there's very clear evidence that the president was certainly trying to point any of his officials to giuliani as a conduit on issues of ukraine. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you, my friend. happy thanksgiving. kelly o'connell in west palm beach, florida. florida remains in california. >> it's sunny and 80. >> i looked behind you, what a beautiful place, must be california, it's florida. i want to bring in attorney liz holzman, who sat on the house judiciary committee and recommended articles of impeachment against president nixon and the author of "the case for impeaching donald trump." and welcome to all three of you. liz, let me start with you. i can't get enough of this week with rudy giuliani and donald trump. giuliani saying he has

insurance, trump saying he's a nice guy. he was in ukraine, he had other clients which is what he used to say about michael cohen, by the way. the two in public sort of dancing around each other, sort of threatening each other and sort of caressing each other. unclear what is going on. >> distancing them from each other. each other from themselves. i'm getting confused about that, but it's astonishing for trump to say all of a sudden that he didn't direct giuliani when we have witness after witness, sondland, volker, others who dealt with him, yes, we were told to speak with giuliani and we were told by the president you have to deal with giuliani and we knew we had to deal with him. if we were going to try to help ukraine and the u.s. relationship with ukraine. so next thing i'm expecting to hear from the president is i

don't know him that well. >> i don't know him that well. but in 2019 we have all sorts of videos and picture of them together and talking each other. rudy giuliani a noted district attorney, someone who was referred to as america's mayor, he ran for president himself, but this is a game of liars and truth tellers. you cannot tell who's telling the truth about whom or when. when it comes to prosecuting this impeachment or frankly prosecuting his allies and business companions, how do you evaluate rudy giuliani? >> i think i disagree with you a little bit, i think that's a lot of dishonesty going on. i think that, you know, in terms of mayor giuliani if the reporting from "the new york times" and "the washington post" and the "wall street journal" is accurate and it appears to be there's no reason to doubt the basic reporting here, i think

what you look at is a guy who went overseas and asked for money from a government that was essentially already being shaken down by the u.s. government. and being shaken down by the u.s. government because of things that rudy giuliani was bringing to the attention of the u.s. government. looks like, you know, essentially a kickback scheme and so, you know, rudy giuliani's in the center of this and the president said to bill o'reilly he didn't direct rudy giuliani and let me stop there for a second. he said it to bill o'reilly. he's talking to the family there, he's talking to supporters of both president trump and of bill o'reilly and distancing himself. so whatever he's saying to the rest of america when he talks to reporters on the south lawn or over twitter he's basically laying the groundwork for throwing rudy giuliani under the train. >> let's go back to your position as a member of congress. the bottom line is that trump can say what he wants to bill o'reilly and rudy giuliani can

say whatever he wants to ed henry on fox, but almost every one of the witnesses pointed toward rudy giuliani. fiona hill talks about how john bolton was saying this guy is a hand grenade and he's doing a drug deal. they all talked about how rudy giuliani was over in ukraine doing business he said representing the state department and the president. and the memo that we have of it, we don't have an actual transcript, but it says can you talk -- president trump says to president zelensky, can you talk to rudy giuliani. >> well, i think what's happening is that trump is getting very nervous about what's -- about the testimony that is taking place during the impeachment inquiry. the fact of the matter is that rudy may be involved in some very serious private transactions, public transactions, but the fact of the matter is that the president could be in trouble because if he directed giuliani and if

giuliani was his agent and we always thought that was the case, giuliani himself said everything i do here i tell the president. he knows exactly what i'm doing. so if giuliani is his agent let's go back to watergate. nixon was held liable in the impeachment inquiry for acts of his subordinates. so that's what he's -- why he's trying to distance himself. >> matt, gordon sondland had a detailed description about the september 9th phone call between him and donald trump in which donald trump unaided and unprompted used the term i don't want any quid pro quo. there are reports now that nobody has an official record of that phone call. there's no call log that indicates that that phone call took place and no one has been able to corroborate that story. so donald trump and sondland have that story. donald trump went out on to the south lawn with cards in which he said i told gordon sondland

on september 9th there was no quid pro quo. that basic premise of sondland's testimony is now in dispute. >> yeah. and which part of sondland's testimony because it's been a moving target. when ambassador sondland who is based here in brussels and, you know, is a key figure in president trump's diplomatic efforts, when he's testified it's been sort of a moving target. at the beginning it was no quid pro quo. and then at the very end he said, yeah, let me clear, there was a quid pro quo when it came to a meeting with the white house. so again, you know, the theme here is whether it's gordon sondland or whether it's rudy giuliani making the joke or whatever, it's what are you going to believe? the thing that you heard today or the thing that i tell you tomorrow an that's the challenge of covering of this administration. but i think it's the challenge of trying to sort out fact from

fiction as jonathan said and others have said. it's really challenging when the story keeps changing. >> yeah. sondland has amended his testimony. he's been criticized again by fiona hill for his testimony that stands as not being accurate and then the issue of the phone call on september 9th. jonathan, the judiciary committee may get a report from the intel committee as early as next week. adam schiff said they're doing the report and they'll hand it over after the thanksgiving break. the judiciary committee has a hearing on wednesday in which it's going to hear from constitutional experts on impeachment itself. what the articles would look like. what the grounds for impeachment would be. what does impeachment mean, what does the constitutional language mean. to a lot of people that might sound dry but you argue it could be more important than what we have already heard in testimony. >> absolutely. this is the why of impeachment. you know, we heard from fact witnesses during the intelligence committee hearings. people who could testify as to what happened, people who could

testify to what they observed but not people who are qualified or called upon to say why the president should be impeached. why there's merit to or why it's necessary to impeach him. you will hear during the judiciary hearings is what he's done that merits that. in particular, i think you'll hear, you know, the question answered of why the things that he's done sort of stack up to that. and what the harm is if he's left in office. and that's something that these folks are going to be able to testify to. i think there's going to be a fair amount of sound bite around that. you're going to hear very eminent scholars people like that, sort of explain this to the public in a way that i think was not something that you could get from those witnesses in the intelligence committees hearings. >> matt apuzzo, the inspector general is going to come up with a report that donald trump and his allies have been touting as showing that the fbi was

dishonest and politically motivated in the surveillance of the trump campaign. apparently, the inspector general thinks that nothing that they're talking about is correct. >> yeah. what we expect next month to hear from the justice department and inspector general is that there were problems with the ap carter page, after carter page left the campaign. but that the allegations of spying on the campaign or infiltrating the campaign just aren't borne out here. remember, this is a key talking point for the president going back to barack obama had my wires tapped. so i think that there's going to be plenty for republicans to criticize the fbi about in this report. but i also think there's going to be a lot of debunking going on in the report. >> all right. thanks for the three of you for being with us. coming up the house judiciary committee takes over the next step in the impeachment

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billionaires with the wealth tax. bernie sanders is taking things a step further. he says billionaires shouldn't exist at all. but my next guest argues the progressive candidates are moving in the wrong direction. he said he's thankful for the existence of billionaire innovators. joining me from the american enterprise institute, michael -- i'm reading your article. you said you're thankful for billionaire investors. you saved yourself, billionaire innovate evers is what you said, because you cite bill gates, the world is not as mad with them as they are with billionaires who don't seem to have returned something to the economy because they have invented fascinating things that we use every day. they're a bunch of billionaires who are not innovators. >> there are a bunch who are not innovators i agree with that. there's a hierarchy of concern about billionaires but it is now common, ali, as you know, to hear people on the left

including elected officials say things like every billionaire is a policy mistake. we shouldn't have billionaires. and so you're right. i focused on perhaps the least objectionable group of billionaires as far as the political left is concerned. but i think that if you look at the list of billionaires, they're all doing stuff to contribute to the economy. it's not just the jeff bezos of the world that are making enormous contributions. and, you know, rather than say they're all policy mistakes i think we should be saying success is good, we should want more billionaires, not fewer. >> but -- we have jeff bezos on the screen. if you make your millions off of people who make 15 bucks an hour at amazon, jeff bezos in 2018 made that annual salary of a $15

worker somewhere around $30,000 a year, every 11 seconds. a low labor cost, increasing wage gap and they preside over companies that manage to succeed because they have low wage employees. >> you know, i don't see a problem with that, with that relationship. you know, i think the market is determining wages based on productivity. the market for ceos is thin so there are other factors that influence ceo pay. i don't see a better way to set ceo pay than the way we currently do it and in the case of bezos, he's not just the ceo. he invented amazon. bezos has contributed trillions of dollars of value to the rest of society. does he get to keep 100 or $150 billion of that for himself, yes, he does, but the overwhelming majority of the value that bezos has created

accrues to the rest of society, not to himself. amazon is so successful at driving down prices in the market that it may be lowering the overall rate of consumer price inflation. that makes wages go further. bezos is giving -- by lowering the prices they pay. >> in your article, you do some back of the envelope calculation which you write you did the back of the envelope calculation. the rate -- the salary to qualify for being the top 1%, they sometimes say billionaires, but you have to be earning about $421,926 a year today. now, if you took that, i'm not adjusting for inflation because i'm assuming that $421,000 was the 1% for all of history and you multiply that by 2019 years

from the year 0 a.d. to you, you wouldn't have made $1 billion from the beginning of history and again, i have front loaded the inflation. so the number's probably more right than wrong. back of the envelopesque. billionaires is a lot of money. >> billionaires add a lot of value. you know, think about google maps which you get for free. how much would you be willing to -- >> think about your information. think about your data. amazon has information on us for free. amazon played 200 cities across america to get them to relocate and they have all this free information. we give the free information on which that internet is built. >> we do. that's a voluntary transaction. nobody is making cities compete for amazon. everyone wants amazon in their hometown and there's a reason for that. >> are you -- can you at all

troubled by what happens when you have income and wealth inequality grow at the rate we have seen it? is there anything wrong with having that much of a spread between the rich and the worker? >> what troubles me is the need to push economic opportunity into low income households, into working class house holds. we need to find ways to allow low income americans and working class americans to increase their wages, to increase their skills, to climb up the economic ladder. to reach the middle class. that needs to be the focus. and the question is how to go about doing that. is the best way to go about doing that tearing down and demonizing billionaires or is the best way to go about doing that getting serious about what public policies we need to help that group of people? i think the latter. >> but the public policy -- we have 40 million people in this country who are food insecure

where we have a whole bunch of billionaires. wouldn't taxation solve some of that? >> we do have a progressive tax system and the higher your income the more of your income you pay in taxes. and it is right and it is -- >> the higher the income from labor. not from capital. that's the issue. >> the higher your income from both. when you combine labor income and capital income. >> but a person who has $1 million plus in income it's probably not salary or wage income. >> but if you look at a person with a million plus amount of income whether from labor or capital, when you combine everything that person is paying more in taxes than folks at the bottom. >> not as a percentage of their income. >> they are paying more in taxes as a especially of their income. >> the rich are not paying more in taxes typically than someone at a lower level. there's a small window. >> they are. >> generally speaking when which

talk about the ultra rich in this country, they're not. >> i bet you that pumpkin pie you're making it is true. i promise you that. let's table that, because it's not important. we need a tax system that's progressive and that asks more of higher earners than lower earns and we need to redistrict that income. >> i guess the issue is your argument with the tone, the way it is being presented, the things like every billionaire is a policy mistake. we live in a nation controlled and owned by a small number of billionaires? because what you're saying is something that a lot of progressives can get on board with. you said we're demonizing billionaires instead of saying why don't we make sure they pay their taxes. >> the message should not if the billionaires are mistakes. the message should be we need more billionaires. the message shown -- should be that success is something to

celebrate not something to denigrate. so i have a big problem with the message. the second problem i have is with the policy. there is not any justification to cut in half the net worth of this small group of people. that's what elizabeth warren would do with a 6% wealth tax. there is no problem facing society for which a 6% annual wealth tax is the solution. there's no problem in society that requires taking half of the wealth of the wealthiest people in this country. it is divisive, it is dividing america along class lines. it does not solve a problem. and there are better ways to help lower income and working class households than by -- >> you may not like the math on it. main it doesn't need to be 6%, maybe it needs to be 0.6%. but you tax the most wealthy in the country a little bit more

where we have remarkable income inequality. we have 40 million people who are food insecure and that's got to be a fixable problem. >> there are lots of fixable problems. if you're willing to cut her wealth tax down by a factor of a hundred, or by a factor of ten, then i think we're making progress. >> i don't think anybody is taking policy advice from you or me on elizabeth warren or bernie sanders' campaign. i'm thankful you had this conversation. i appreciate it. resident scholar at the american enterprise institute. coming up, the house democrats could be coming closer to the full vote but is the process moving too fast? we'll ask congresswoman debby dingell when she joins me after the break. y dingell when she joins me after the break. surprise! a new buick? for me? to james, from james. that's just what i wanted.

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hearings to the open hearings which we now know that some 70 million americans at least watched a part of into the judiciary committee hearings. we'll start on wednesday, i believe, with the constitutional experts who are going to discuss impeachment. and what the words in the constitution mean or are intended to mean about impeachment. where are we in this process? where do you expect this is going to go? >> well, we're in a process, and i think, by the way, happy thanksgiving. good to be with you today. i think we're in the process. i look forward to reading the report. and i think the open and transparent hearings were important for people to see the witnesses and understand what the issues are but the report will highlight some of the things that have been learned in the classified briefings and i hope as much of this report is made public. now we move to the judiciary committee to investigate and define what the constitution

says meets the definition of what a high crime or misdemeanor -- i'm brain dead today, i was at the soup kitchen at 6:00 -- will say. i think we're gathering facts and the speaker has been very clear. that time won't have us race to make a decision. the process, when we have the facts and determine it. the same people that were supporting impeachment last summer still feel that way, but there are many of us that want to see what the facts are. see what the report is, see what these hearings bring before we make the ultimate decision about what we'll to. >> are we going to get to see that intel committee report and is it going to be something that makes it obvious to americans the same information that you in congress have? >> i have asked the question. i think first of all, let's be honest once that is shared with members of congress there's nothing that doesn't become public. some days i think the newspapers

are more accurate than some of what i hear on the hill. i don't know if there are any issues that impact our national security that will be shared or included and i think we immediate to tell the american people -- we need to tell the american people as much as possible. i talk to people, i have been at home. i have had people yell at me and continue to yell at me on all sides of the issue and this division in the country is what really worries me right now. we have to protect our national security. but we also need to really focus more -- people don't focus on the fact that russia's trying to divide us. and not only us, but democracies around the world. i'm worried about the national security and nobody is above the rule of law. i'm really worried about what russia is trying to do to us as a country. >> donald trump is -- has been tweeting this week that the

country's mind is changing after the hearings. and people are against impeachment. i want to show you the latest cnn impeachment poll. there are a few polls different but fundamentally, in october 50% of america thought that donald trump should be impeached and removed and now 50% think that donald trump should be impeached and removed. does that tell you the democrats have done their job or should more work be into? >> i think the process you're seeing play out is the process we said will show the american people what the facts are and the members of congress who are doing their job. so i agree with that poll. i'm out there. it is evenly divided and it can't get -- you can't guess who will yell at you either. it comes from all places and from all different people on both sides that emotion and that passion worries me deeply. when a recommendation is made,

we read the house intelligence report and the house judiciary committee makes the recommendation we have to be really clear what the findings are and why the recommendation is whatever that recommendation is. >> congresswoman, you and your late husband have made a habit of appreciating that in a pluralistic society if you're an elected official people will argue with you and they'll yell at you and they will give you their views and i feel that you actually appreciate that as your colleagues in congress all should. thank you for doing this. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you. thanks. coming up the former navy secretary is blasting trump over the navy case. why he says that the president's actions are a pattern of disrespect for the military. you're watching msnbc. or the mi. you're watching msnbc. for every dollar you spend at a small business, an average of 67 cents stays local. shop small and watch it add up. small business saturday by american express is november 30th.

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being with us. this is an interesting situation because clearly, the navy s.e.a.l. in question, gallagher, did something wrong. so did his fellow team members. the president then gets involved in the chain of command in a way that people think is unorthodox. some people think he was right, but most in the military think he wasn't. then richard spencer, former navy secretary now, works around his secretary of defense to go to the white house which some argue also broke the chain of command. this is a complicated one. who is right and who is wrong? >> i think it's a complicated one and no one had covered themselves in glory in the case. i think spencer took the blame for going around defense secretary esper and he didn't try to create any obstacles to the president's unprecedented, what secretary -- former secretary spencer said was the unprecedented effort to subvert

military justice. and gallagher essentially was trying to influence the command and to influence particular verdicts in the military justice system. something that previous presidents have refrained from doing and for good reasons. >> let me ask you, let's listen together too, president trump touting why he did this. he's definitely playing up to the idea he's a pro military guy. listen to what he said at a rally. >> just this week, i stuck up for three great warriors against the deep state. people have to be able to fight. these are great warriors. >> i don't know what he's talking about with respect to the deep state. but your view is that in fact the president intervening in this way is anti-military, not pro military. >> well, that's exactly right. look, i think that not the only

sound bite you could have played of president trump trying to make a point. he's trying to fashion himself as a champion of the military but i think his record tells a different story. that's a story of reckless politicization of the armed forces and disrespect for our armed forces. you can start with the disrespect part and that predates his inauguration as president of the united states. his attacks against senator john mccain. his slander of a gold star family. his implementing of as commander of chief, trying to implement a gender ban, to deport immigrants within our armed forces. and then you sort of turn to the politicization element. this is a president who time and again has opted to use or at least attempted to use our military as a political prop. i think perhaps most notoriously when he dispatched troops to the southern border days before the

2018 midterms in an effort to galvanize his political base. this is essentially what he is trying to do here. it has been subsequently been reported he wants to campaign with several of the service members whom he pardoned so i think his political motives come out and there's actually no national security objective in anything that we have seen from this president in this particular case. >> good to see you, ned. have yourself a happy rest of your thanksgiving. >> you too. thanks. >> ned price, former specialed a -- special assistant to obama. coming up, china's furious reaction to president trump backing the pro democracy supporters in hong kong. you're watching msnbc. y supporters in hong kong. you're watching msnbc. oh! oh! oh!

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♪for the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.♪♪ we go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. china expressioning outrage today after president trump backed the pro democracy protesters in hong kong. they showed support for the u.s. move but a chinese foreign minister called the u.s. actions quote, a serious interference in the internal affairs and infuriated officials in china

have summoned the ambassador in protest. trade negotiations are still under way. joining me now is bill neely. bill, give us the situation. >> yeah, ali, interesting when i was in hong kong earlier this week, the chinese were threatening retaliation, making a lot of noise if the president signed this into law and today they're still threatening. that may as far as this goes. there's a bigger prize for china and that's the possible trade deal with the u.s. key departments in the chinese government are making no mention of this new law. and on the u.s. side it's unusual, ali, that we can't show our viewers any video or any photographs of president trump's extravagant signature on this bill because there isn't any he did it behind closed doors. so it's almost as if neither side wants to make a big deal of this, and the new law is largely

yes, it's clearly an important act of support for the protesters. they're thrilled it's passed into law. for example, any hong kong or chinese official guilty of human rightsui abuses, for example, during those protests can be sanctioned by the u.s. hong kong's specialu. trading status with theon u.s. will nowe reviewed every year. china is calling on the u.s. not to follow through on this law because, while it does add to beijing's anxieties, they clearly see the u.s. is not confronting china over everything, wthey believe the u.s. is simply using the unrest in hong kong as just another stick to beat china with. as for the trade deal, we're still waiting for any news of an interim deal that the two sides are apparently edging towards, no sign of that yet. finally, time is getting tight because another round of u.s. sanctions on china is due to hit

in just three weeks on december 15th. no sign of that deal yet, ali. >> bill, good to see you my friend. thank you for joiningee us toda. bill neely in london. climate scientists are sounding the alarm saying our planet may be on the verge of crossing several tipping points. in the journal of nature scientists suggest global warming is becoming irreversible in some places. some of those places include rapidly melting ice sheets in the eastern and western portions of antarctica and the loz of the amazon rain forest because of deforestations and drought. drastic action to take greenhouse gas emissions to offset what could be dire consequences of globalbe warmin. the report shows despite a near global pledge to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, they reached a new high. monica medina is the founder.

this is a red alert week for the climate. several reports coming out that warn that, for those of you who think because this is discussed enough, this is going i in the right direction,is we're actual marching in the wrong direction. >> thank you, ali for having me. happy thanksgiving to everybody who is watching. this is the perfect day for us to stop and think about the impactd we're all having on th planet. it's a day when we usually give thanks for the bounty of the earth and the harvest. it'srt more and more at risk gin what we know is happening with climate change. those reports youin cited are t latest in a series of reports that should be getting attention. these are bread andng butter issues. they matter to everyone in the country and across the planet. it is time for us to take much more drastic action. >> the fact is that america needs to be a t leader in this d isn't. i wasnd talking to gina mccarth former epa commissioner -- administrator yesterday. she saidne we should give thank

to the young people who have made this a very, very important issue, but is there a way in which we can get the reversal in the damage we have done, and if so, do you see on the horizon anyone who might do that or at least help america get to the front of the pack inet leading this mission? >> we certainly need new leadership in order to be able to doip that. hopefully that will happen. in the meantime there are things that everyone can do. it is the kind of issue that people feel like is too big and too s difficult. actually it's not. everyones can take actions fro the kinds of cars they buy to theth light bulbs that they buy every day. i do think today in particular is a day to have conversations with people in your family, your friends, to talk about the importance of this change that we need to make. and id think actually given th latest polls, people will find there's, a lot of agreement around thanksgiving dinner tables about this. more andin more americans total

believe that we need to be doing more in or dore fight climate change. they think the government isn't doing enough.hi particularly young people of all parties, democrats, republicans, independents, all the young people around the thanksgiving table are going to be nodding their heads yes. so this is a very important day for us to stop and take stock and think about it. in a couple weeks the u.n. will have their big annual climate meeting. important work will be done there on women w and the importt role women can play in both making a difference on climate and the fact that they're the ones most disproportionately impacted bydi climate. >> i'm putting a poll up that pew did in october, this is the percentage of adults that think the federal government is doing too little. they expect the federal government to have a role in this. you brought up something about fuel efficient cars and energy. one ofie the points that you brg up, and i think this is really important to not lose sight of. in the things we can do, it's

going to be about energy consumption. energy consumption tops the list ofop ways we're going to contro global warming. >> both here at home and globally. it's so t important.nd the u.s. leadership is so important. when we lead, the rest of the world follows. the same is true with respect to china. just talking about china a minute ago. china is crucial to this fight, as isal the u.s. when we lead, china goes along with us. right now we're not. our emissions -- greenhouse gas emissions are going in the wrong direction. 90% of americans want them to go in the right direction. we have a lot of agreement there. >> monica, good to talk to you. we haveto thankful here at msnb for the work that your organization has done. that wraps up this hour for me. thank you for watching on this thanksgiving day. "dateli "dateline" is up next. "dateline" is up next. dimitri's on it. eating right and getting those steps in? on it! dimitri thinks he's doing all he can to manage his type 2 diabetes and heart disease, but is his treatment doing enough to lower his heart risk? [sfx: glasses clanking.] sorry. maybe not.

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