here with us from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." we're on tape this friday after thanksgiving. we hope everyone had a wonderful holiday. it's been a remarkable past few months with daily revelations and new information in the impeachment inquiry into president trump withholding military aid from ukraine for political purposes. we're well into the public hearings phase of the probe and there is a direct line between what's happening right now and one of the more head-spinning weeks in american politics. the last full week of september, remember that? >> oh, it's unbelievable. >> the week began with the white house actively trying to silence the whistle-blower as trump

himself began to flat out admit he discussed former vice president joe biden on a phone call with the president of ukraine. as reporting gained steam into the exact details of the ukraine shakedown, we learned that the president ordered his acting chief of staff mick mulvaney to hold back nearly $400 million in military aid to that country just days before the call in which trump pressured ukraine's president to investigate biden and the business dealings of the former vice president's son hunter. >> the president then spoke again directly to reporters where he said the quiet part pa again connecting it to corruption and then the corruption to joe biden. now nancy pelosi had been resisting calls to impeach the president. on tuesday of that week, speaker pelosi announced plans to launch a formal impeachment inquiry against the president saying

that freezing vital military aid to an ally was a betrayal of trump's oath of office. >> the next day, the white house decided to release the now infamous memo, not a transcript, of the 30-minute july 25th phone call between president trump and ukrainian president zelensky. and even though trump insists the call was perfect, the memo reveals that trump did discuss joe biden, 2016 conspiracy theories, and asked his ukrainian counterpart for a favor. >> thursday of that week, the whistle-blower complaint at the center of the ukraine scandal was declassified with minute im redactions which brings us to friday of that packed september week where we spoke exclusively with house speaker nancy pelosi on capitol hill. it was her first interview since democrats formerly began pushing toward the impeachment of donald j. trump. here is that conversation.

>> couple weeks ago you and i stood here and we were talk about the preciousness of our democracy. you have moved forward with this step toward impeachment. how do you plan, though, to handle the republicans who still say there is nothing to see here? >> well, first let me say that this is no cause for any joy. this is a very sad time for our country. impeachment of a president is as serious as our congressional responsibilities can be, apart from declaring war or something. and so we have to be very prayerful and we always have to put country before party. but i would say at this time, i would say to democrats and republicans, we have to put country before party very clearly in the public view. and this is about the constitution of the united states. the clarity of the president's actions is compelling and gave us no choice but to move forward.

our founders in the darkers days of the revolution, thomas payne said the times have found us. well, we think the times have found us now to protect what they fought for, our democracy, our independence, and then a constitution with checks and balances, not a monarchy as ben franklin said, a republic. and all of that is at stake, the separation of powers is genius of the constitution. three separate coequal branches of government to be a check on each other. this is as serious as it gets when it comes to protecting the constitution of the united states. the oath of office that we take, i think the president violated that oath. but sadly, we have to take us, you know, follow the facts and the facts are so dragging but in other words to corroborate what we have heard so that the public has a comfort level of what we have to do. >> and so we were talking before and i talked to mika about this

when it looked like we were moving to impeachment as a country. and i just -- i went around it feld felt like i h felt like i had been punched in the gut, not because i didn't believe we needed to move in the direction of an impeachment inquire, i but because i remember the clinton impeachment, i remember voting for two of the four articles. i remember thinking after the supreme court and the arkansas supreme court had stripped him of his law license because of perjury, at that point i thought, okay, that's fine. it still stuck with me, though, for 20 years because it is such a wrenching process. but, i must say also, that it is in the constitution, our founders -- >> yeah. >> -- looked at this as a constitutional remedy for an executive that our elected leaders felt was, in fact, abusing the constitution of the united states. >> well, you and i deliveriffer

the clinton because that was personal behavior that he was punished for. >> involved with. >> we'll save that debate. but this is about national zblurt h security. >> this is about the national security of our country. the president of the united states being unloyal to the oath of his office, jeopardizing our national security and the integrity of our elections. it covers so much. so, again, take us where the facts will lead us. i'm very excited -- i'm concerned about some of the president's comments about the whistle-blower. one of our chairmen, elijah cummings, is a chairman of the government reform and oversight committee, a master of everything in government, a particularly unsurpassed leader on the subject of inspectors general and the integrity of their work and how much he respects that as well as making sure that our whistle-blowers do

not have retaliation. those are a very important part of uncovering wrong dmog our governme wrongdoing in our government. >> but the president yesterday suggested they should be treated as traitors and possibly executed. >> well, you know, it's really sad. we have to be very prayerful. i pray for the president all the time. i pray for the safety of his family, wish that he would pray for the safety of other families and do something courageous on guns. but i also pray that god will illuminate him to see right from wrong. it's very problematic. so we have a situation where members will have to -- no one ever asks anybody to vote this way or that. this is everyone's individual decisions and our members came to their own decisions in their own time about this. but when it was such a compelling national security

issue, it's just -- he gave us no choice. >> let me ask you about the attorney general. >> he's going rogue. >> mika and i have had an ongoing debate for years. i've always said the institutions are strong, they will hold, we will be fine. she's been far more concerned. but this attorney general now has me questioning, how do the institutions hold if the attorney general's gone rogue? if there is somebody in the white house this morning watching, and they are watching, and they understand that they violated an executive order and misclassified information for political purposes and could be facing legal penalties, where do they go when the attorney general himself was mentioned in the whistle-blower complaint at the top and buried it? where do they go? >> well, think where they're going is a cover-up of the cover-up. and that's really very sad for

them. and to have a justice department go so rogue -- well, they had been for a while. >> right. >> and now it just makes matters worse that the attorney general was mentioned, that the president was mentioned, and yet the justice department directed the -- the director of national intelligence to take this to the white house. >> which he said yesterday was unprecedented. >> unprecedented. and he's a person of great reputation. i felt sorry for him because here he is having to not -- i mean, just -- i don't know what. i think that what did he broke the law. the law is very clear. when this information comes it's deemed credible and of urgent concern, high the inspector general, the director of national intelligence shall convey the information to congress. now, this is my wheelhouse, as i said to the president, 25 years of experience in intelligence, a

long time starting as a member, being the ranking member, being gang of four even before i was in the leadership, i was there when we wrote the whistle-blower laws, i was there when we wrote the law establishing the office of director of national intelligence. that's only since 19 -- 2004. shall convey that information to the congress. >> and instead he took it to an attorney general who is mentioned as a possible part of the conspiracy. >> and the presidential -- the president's lawyers when the president was mentioned. highly -- not highly unusual, unique. wrong. >> what do you make of the movement of these conversations into this more secure server and are you -- i know this is focused, but you yore concerned about other conversations that might be in there? >> well, you know, that's interesting. and as part of a cover-up. but i think we have to stay focused as far as the public is concerned on the fact that the

president of the united states used taxpayer dollars to shakedown the leader of another country for his own political gain. >> the decision itself to move forward, we had kellyanne conway who i guess is still at the white house, the atlantic festival yesterday saying nancy pelosi did the worst thing a woman in power can ever do. which is change her mind in a matter of hours on something so significant exceeding to the angry mob insisting that she move toward impeachment. >> why would i have to comment on something she said? but the fact is -- >> that is the correct answer by the way. >> i didn't even know she was still there. >> that is the correct answer, yes. >> but let me just say this. it wasn't a question of changing of mind. groups of people say that to me, when did you change your mind? i didn't change my mind. the facts changed the situation. and they cannot be ignored, no matter how sexist she wants to be, the fact is that the

president -- the revelation of the president's unconstitutional behavior, in his own political interest, was so -- changed the mind of the public. you see the polls changing. >> it seems like they're trying to make this about you. >> yeah, well where are you know. that's fine. i welcome it. i'm ready. i said all along, i said i think this is an important state. we have to weight equities when we're talking about a statement of impeachment. we weigh the equities. i never thought he was worth it to have something so divisive to the country. but really the step that he -- the cavalier attitude, the irrelevant response -- whatever, illegal practically. but the fact is, is that we're talking about our oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. checks and balances. this is a very important moment for us because i don't trust what might could happen in the courts of his appointees as to whether they will rule and say

that the congress of the united states does have the right of oversight in the constitution, oversight of the executive branch. the president says article two says i can do whatever i want. no, it doesn't. you're not a monarch. it's a republic, if we can keep it. >> a republic if we can keep it. so let me ask you, everybody loves to talk about your father. >> yeah, so do i and mother. >> and your mother. >> exact. >> i extraordinary. but it's always like the speaker learned at the feast her et of father. i just want to ask this as a dad, i know your dad would be so proud of you, but also right now know history has found you and congress and as lincoln said we cannot escape history. i'm wondering, i know your mom and dad stay with you every day. what has your dad taught you to

get you through a time like this? what do you keep in the back of your mind as our constitutional republic literally hangs on the actions that you and members of this house and senate will make over the next couple months? >> well, you're nice ask about them. i'm a believer, so i believe that they know everything that we are doing. and i'm prayerful about them every single day. but i do think that when i was born, i was born into a family that was deeply patriotic. we loved the flag. proud of our italian/american heritage, devoutly catholic and staunchly democratic. we saw the connection that public service was a noble calling. but while we were democrats and saw that role of government being for the good of the community, it wasn't

anti-republican, it was about advocating your position. so it wasn't ever about disliking anyone, it was always about respecting what they -- how they represented their people. and so even my -- sometimes my brothers and my brothers mayor of baltimore, he's fabulous, most spectacular person in politics that i ever knew, he would always just say if they criticize you, don't pay any -- they have to say what they have to say, but don't become them. you have to do what you think is right and that's what you advocate. so we -- i respect my colleagues. i respect the office that the president holds. but sadly i think i respect the president's office more than he respects it. so that takes me to a place that i hope they would approve of, that says this is the oath we

take and we must keep our oath of office to protect and defend. speaking literally in baltimore, maryland. >> all across. >> get married and have five children and move to san francisco which i'm proud to zblep you have an incredible story, but the story is here in washington, d.c. thank you so much. when we come back, we'll rewind the tape to the day before our interview with speaker pelosi and the moment which we were on the air as the whistle-blower complaint went public. no flights. no roads. we're trying to figure out what animals are being affected. galápagos is a really challenging place to work. el niño is starting to go haywire. everywhere is going to get touched by climate change.

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welcome back. we take you now to thursday, september 26th. the very end of our coverage that morning as we were about to hear from acting director of national intelligence joseph maguire testifying on slil for the first time since the whistle-blower complaint against president trump was revealed to members of congress. moments before that public hearing began, the whistle-blower complaint was released to the public with

minimal redactions. here is what unfolded on live television. >> we've got word now that we have the whistle-blower complaint. it has been released to the public. it's been declassified and partially redacted. we'll get it in our hands in a moment to sift through it. extraordinary timing, 17 minutes before the acting director of national intelligence sits before in a public hearing that we will all see before the intel committee. they will be able to ask direct questions about what the public can see in the whistle-blower complaint that was raised with, quote, urgent concern. >> willie, as we look through the report, as we look through the letter actually to chairman b b burr and with with with chairman schiff, attorney general barr appears to be involved as well. over the past four months, more than half a dozen u.s. officials have informed me of various facts related in this effort. and then he goes on to talk

about the information that is provided herein. it is remarkable, again, in this letter that attorney general barr is mentioned as being involved and yet barr chooses to, jeremy said, cover it up. however you want to describe it. chooses to not let the acting dni go to the hill to reveal a whistle-blower report that, as it says right here, attorney general barr appears to be involved in it as well. mika, what are you reading? >> i'll jump to seven pages in during this same time frame multiple u.s. officials told me that the ukrainian leadership was led to believe that a meeting or phone call between the president and president zelensky would depend on whether zelensky showed a willingness to, quote, play ball on the issues that had been publicly aired by mr. lieutenant searcut

giuliani. >> he took efforts to take the president's 2020 re-election bid. there it is, that line. did what he's been accused of doing. it is impeachable. >> there are redactions. >> there are redactions, willie geist, but you look at the language here and it is -- it involved getting him involved in the 2020 election to dig up dirt on joe biden. and also, of course, that the president has involved -- it appears that the president has involved attorney general barr in this as well in the letter that went to burr and schiff. and, of course, it is extraordinarily damning that the ukrainians were led to believe that they would only get cooperation from donald trump and the united states of america if they, quote, played ball and

helped dig up dirt on joe biden. >> and really, clair, this underfliens more specific detail because there's follow-on investigation of what we read in the phone call yesterday, this gives us much more detail. >> what's interesting is the white house distributed talking points, ham handedly because they sent them to the democrats too, and part of that talking point was that zelensky brought up giuliani first. >> right. >> well, let's look at this document in that context. and let's go back to april when the president called him first after the election as matt reference and started talking about how you've got to work with giuliani. >> right. >> then giuliani announced he was going to the ukraine. now, wait a minute. what is giuliani doing going to ukraine? >> and he says that the state department sent him. so talk about ensnaring a web of -- >> so pompeo now has some explaining do. >> exact. >> i and obviously they knew -- they brought up giuliani because

giuliani had been epicenter of this whole effort by trump to figure out a way to make joe biden's son the focus of his re-election effort. >> and if you go to roman numeral two on page three, efforts, gene, to restrict access to records related to the call, in the days following the phone call lirnd fri learned fr multiple u.s. officials that secret white house officials had intervened to, quote, lockdown all records of the phone call, especially the official word for word transcript of the call that was produced as is customary by white house situation room. the set of actions underscored to me that the white house officials understood the gravity of what conspired in the call -- >> oh my god. wow. >> het me continue. white house officials told me that then were, quote, directed by white house lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system in which transcripts are stored for

coordination, finalization, and distribution. >> instead of transcript was -- >> it's called consciousness of guilt. >> instead of transcript was loaded into a separate electronic am is that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. >> wow. >> an act of an abuse of this electronic system. >> it's covering it up. it's consciousness of guilt. they knew at the time exactly what the president was doing. they heard this call and they said, you know, holy bleep. >> and the white house official, willie, quote, describe this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective. >> this is a direction of white house lawyers who has gene said knew in realtime this was not good for the president and had to be squashed and covered up.

matt miller, all of this coming from time agenda citing white house officials. these are people inside the white house to listened to that call and who watched what happened afterward and thought enough to raise concern as whistle zblors it tells me that the cover-up began immediately, that they knew there was a problem despite the president claiming this was a perfect call, people inside the white house knew what happened. it raises a question for me. it's been reported that the white house was involved in the decision not to send this whistle-blower complaint to the hill. >> as was zblbarr. >> when you have a whistle-blower complaining about actions by the attorney general and white house officials and those same white house officials then intervene to block this complaint from being sent to the hill, it is -- it is a clear and deliberate cover-up of what happened. >> and, joe, the other thing that's remarkable, we learned that this was referred to doj for investigation, either criminal investigation as the hillary clinton emails were referred from the against community inspector general to doj, they decided not to

investigate for criminal activity. i don't know how that decision was made if this information was available to them. it is, as everyone there has said, consciousness of guilt. it is way outside the norms for how you deal with notes from a foreign leader call, to shift them on to the classified system for no obvious reason of classification. and it speaks to the other reason for the referral, which was perhaps a national security threat was created by the president and another government having leverage over him. >> and here we are again. i'm reporting an urgent concern. remember that the lingo language here. and in the course of my official duties i've received information of multiple u.s. government officials that the president of the united states is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 20 2020 election and following up on what nicole said, the interference includes among other things pressuring the foreign country to

investigate one of the president's main domestic political rivals, the president's personal lawyer rudy giuliani is a central figure there. attorney general barr appears to be involved. >> a number of calls. >> as well. and despite that, despite the attorney general of the united states seeing that the inspector general for the intelligence community says that he is involved in this investigation, in this whistle-blower complaint, he still tells the acting dni, he did not follow the statute and transmit this to elected leaders on the hill. >> you see a lot of henchman behavior by the attorney general and rudy giuliani on behalf of the president. nixon's way, he interposed his

own team of plumbers. he said i've got people to operate outside the intelligence and the state department and i'm going to operate through these two people and i'm going to get done what i want politically to get my enemies. in the months leading up to this phone call in july, he thought joe biden was his number one threat. biden was beating him, perhaps not like a drum, but he was beating him in all the polls. he was the guy that he had to stop and that was what his focus was. it's clear that this is so nix son n nixonian. >> people are all going to stand with trump on this? >> we have the inspector general's letter, you know, referring this and the inspector general says i'm determining the reasonable grounds to believe that the complaint is -- appears credible. the whistle-blower complaint appears credible, that the complainant has official and authorized access to the information and sources

referenced in the complainant's letter. in other words there is somebody who is in a position to know this stuff, who had official access to this information and is making the complaint. >> and, willie, again, we can't underline this enough, it's not just the president of the united states who is implicated deeply by this inspector general's report, it is the attorney general of the united states who circumvented normal procedure for the intel community and actually stopped the whistle-blower complaint from doing -- from taking its regular procedural course going from the inspector general of the intel community to capitol hill. it was attorney general barr who the inspector general said from his understanding was also involved. >> yeah. >> in this process who killed that will. >> i think as we read through

this right now we're seeing what ben sasse, a republican center who hasn't crossed president trump in a long time called what he read, quote, very troubling. matt miller, you've been reading through. what jumps out at you? >> yesterday republicans set the bar for what would be misconduct by the president at a quid pro quo. there is direct evidence in this document of quid pro quo. >> what do you see? >> multiple u.s. officials told me that the ukrainian leadership was led to believe that a meet organize phone call between the president and president zelensky would depend on whether zelensky showed willingness to, quote, play ball on the issues that had been publicly aired by -- >> to follow -- that's right. there are multiple officials who this whistle-blower knows who would be able to -- who he can identify to come testify to congressional committees about the existence of -- >> they've already been identified. it's also important to note that atkinson has gone through. they corroborated this account. is in public view in part because atkinson, the ig, has already corroborated the they know who these white house officials are. they've been interviewed by the

inspector general. >> the appendix points out that on may fourth the president instructed vice president pence to cancel his planned trip to ukraine to attend zelensky's inauguration. rick purchaerry went in said it was made clear that the president did not want to meet zelensky until he showed how he was going to act be in office. it's my understanding a meeting between the president and zelensky would depend on whether he chose to play ball on the issues of -- >> and your point about barr, this makes clear that what don mcgahn was somehow able to do perhaps inartfully and getting screamed at all day long was to keep donald trump just on the other side of criminality. and maybe sessions being recused helped some in some mysterious way as well. what happened hasn't in the post mcgahn era is these people have helped him break the law and it may appear they have criminal exposure themselves. >> on page 5 of the ig's report, what's really important here is the ig who say trained federal

prosecutor knew that there could be potentially some pushback from lawyers trying to protect the president. and so he included in here dan coats' quotes, election agriculture is an enduring challenge and top priority for the ic. he went on and said, coats said i can think of no higher priority mission than working to counter adversary effects to undermine the very core of our democratic process. so what did barr do? barr had the lawyers in doj say, oh, never mind, this is not in your jurisdiction. even though in the report from one of their fellow colleagues from doj that's now an ig said -- >> a trump appointee. >> a trump appointee it says in black and white that this clearly is a function of the ic community, that is election security without interference from foreign zblagts and agents >> if you're just joining us, we're going over the inspector general's letter regarding the whistle-blower complaint.

and it is important to note at this point that the ig of the intel community is a trump appointee. one of the more revealing things, chris, and one of the reasons why democrats may not move quite as quickly, as you suggested, is based on the ig's understanding there were approximately a dozen white house officials who listened to the call, a mixture of policy officials and duty officers in the white house situation room is as customary. the officials i spoke with told me that participation in the call had not been restricted in advance because everyone expected it would be a routine call with a foreign leader. i do not know whether anyone was physically present with the president during that call. so -- so take the dozen or so white house officials and then take the people around pompeo that knew about this, take the people around barr that knew about this, take the people around the white house that knew about this, take the people

around zelensky who knew this, take the people around everybody that's been involved in this. suddenly this little conspiracy expands. and it's something that cannot be contained. and, barr knows he's on the hot seat now. he can play it cool if he wants to. but a $30,000 christmas party at a trump property is not going to protect him. zelensky now has his own political problems at home. he's going to have to explain this as well. the ukrainians are already getting out in front saying, hey, we knew that if we didn't play trump -- play ball with trump, that we weren't going to get the military equipment, we with weren't going to get the meetings. this is something that the white house cannot tamp down on. >> this is incredible. >> the one thing that i find, you know, intreeging here, do they still have an electronic tape of the conversation -- they destroyed the transcript, do we

still have somewhere in the white house, is there somewhere in presidential recordings, this recording of this conversation? because i think in the end that's what the supreme court's going to have to rule on, whether congress has a right to that recording. i think it goes back to the president's words. you don't have to expect the dots. there's one big dot here. he cut a deal. he was trying to cut a deal with a foreign leader. i will give you security assistance. i will give you shoulder mounted missiles that you can fight russian tanks with right now if you give me dirt on a political opponent. >> do us a favor. >> and white house officials, mika, are already -- have already been talking about this. >> they are scrambling. you can see that in the white house yesterday. if you see nothing here, you're not telling the truth. >> mika, that was unbelievable. >> yeah. >> incredible time. and what we didn't know then was actually that the whistle-blower complaint actually undersold what was happening.

that complaint went public, though, back in september and ever since president trump and his republican allies have been actively trying to out the whistle-blower. which of course is not in line with why whistle-blower protections were put in place -- >> yes. >> -- in the first place. anyway, but they of course know that. we'll be right back. yway, but that. we'll be right back. there's a company that's talked to even more real people

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before then. netflix has never been about mailing disks, it's not even about streaming. it's always been about giving customers entertainment they're going to love. at one point we had built our website so that it could dynamically determine what movie to show you. it would is how you a movie ar you a different movie and you a third movie. once we realized we could influence in a positive way what movie you might like to see, we realized that we had some control over how to market movies. and up to that point, the studios were largely the ones who felt, no, we are the ones who are doing all of this promotion. weather ones who influence what people watch. and that was this first inkling that we can improve on this. we can be a better alternative in terms of helping you find the movie you love. >> the book is "that will never work" the birth of netflix and the amazing life of an idea.

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♪ do you remember -- observation, yeah, i'm supposed to be checking on this guy's mice because he's supposed to be celebrating christmas with his family. came back to find in the mice that received the anti-body the tumors were gone. >> you know, truly one of the ah-ha moments. jesus, this is something big. i've been doing it enough that this experiment is so cool you didn't need a statistician. they're all alive or all dead. >> these tumors have disappeared.

this is impossible. this is not possible. that's how mind boggling you have to think of this as because the human body with 480 million years of evolution behind it can't get rid of this stuff and now the tumors have disappeared. >> wow. that was a look at the new documentary entitled jim ellison breakthrough which tells of the quest for the cure for cancer. he joins us now. he's the recipient of the 2018 nobel prize in physiology for medicine for launching an effective new way to impact cancer by treating the immune system rather than the tumor. we welcome you to the show. is that -- does that encapsulate the breakthrough? tell us what the breakthrough is. >> that does a pretty good job of it. what the breakthrough is, is discovering how to release the immune system, is to go after

cancer cells to kill them in s, tu without having to do anything, no chemotherapy. we discovered a molecule on t cells that limits what they do to protect you from immune response, and i discovered how to suspend that temporarily and let tumors -- t cells go after tumor cells and obliterate them and it works. >> so in essence instead of fighting the actual cancer, you are building up the fight against the tumor? >> exactly. >> is it thinking differently about how you try to cure it? >> yes, it is. people have been trying for centuries, you know, slash, burn and poison surgery, radiation and chemo have been the ways of doing it for a long time. the idea has kind of shifted the immune system to do. most have been focused how to turn the immune on but as a

scientist in what regulates the t cells, it is more complicated in that. there are circuits built into the t cells to keep them from hurting you. as soon as you push too hard, the off comes on to protect you and we figured out how to take the off switch off. >> joe biden talks oechb abofte moon shots to cure cancer and president trump has said as well. what role can the federal government play here? what can be done to further research and work like yours and people like you? >> the work i did stems from fundamental research trying to understand, you know, how the immune system works, how t cells work. somebody says, well, this has applications of the work. that wasn't the purpose of the work. the work was to understand. after about 20 years it became clear it was going to be a way to go after the cancer. think the les to support hef-the

big idea from, in my opinion, incremental research along the way. at least for me, you see something that's working, you try to make it work a little better. i would rather find something entirely new. the way you get that is you understand something entirely none, at the fundamental basis that you kncan come at it from new vie poiwpoint. >> it is limited to really severe cases, right? when you work your way through the approval process, the fda approval process being very expensive and time consuming, only the drugs that work on severe cases make it through. is there a better way to do it? zb zb >> all of the early studies were done with things that didn't respond to things. if you were diagnosed with stage four melanoma you had a median

survival expectation of seven months. now 20% of patients get a treatment with the drug and ten years later, so it is a big change. that's stage four. what is happening now is it is being moved up in the clinic gradually. it does take these additional trials but it is moving up and up and up. at least in melanoma it is given earlier in the process now that it is approved. but it is approved now by the fda for a number of kind of cancer. >> the documentary is "jim ellison: break through." thank you for everything, dr. jim ellison. dr. jim ellison. we're reporters from the new york times.

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hampshire before the announcement and that's where dr. dave caught up with the 2020 contender. ♪ >> this young person is smarter than all of the old people i have ever met. >> i have found him extremely engaging. >> he is exactly the type of person we need in washington now. >> i like his morals, his values. >> the thing that resonates with me the most is when he talks about the future. >> i would like to hear more about his foreign policy because i feel like it is a big part of the president's job. >> he's an intelligent person. he doesn't speak down to people and he is trying to promote the christian left as opposed to the christian right. >> reporter: i first met mayor pete on a recent trip to manchester, new hampshire. the 37-year-old mayor of south bend, indiana, is a harvard-educated rhodes scholar, the first openly gay millennial candidate for president.

a deeply religious person, we talked life, family, service, policy, his health and the future of health care in america. >> the bottom line is we need to make sure everybody gets great health care. that's an easy thing to say, but the mechanics of delivering it are not so simple. the idea of delivering medicare for all is saying how do we make sure everybody has coverage guaranteed to them. if you're part of america, one of the things america does for you is make sure you have coverage. >> how do you stay healthy on the trail? >> obviously campaign life puts a lot of pressure on somebody's mental health and i think about how to stay rooted. part is time management. making sure you have a decent amount of sleep, maybe not enough but at least to function. making sure of the things important in my life, especially my marriage, my parents, my mother. faith is part of that, at least

it is for me. and physical exercise, part of how you can take care of your mental health. >> diet? >> really important. there's a cheat day every now and then. >> when you cheat, what is your favorite snack? >> we have a cheeseburger place in south bend which is irresistible to you. it is a treat. >> smoking? you don't smoke. >> i'm guilty of a cigar. >> let's start walking back. >> okay. >> all right, appreciate it. thank you. tell some friends. >> the values of our party are the right values. but maybe we have to find a new way to talk about some of those things? can i look to you to help make a few friends around the state? >> pete, pete, pete! >> we are here with mayor pete. the museum is full with 300 people. there are another 100 people outside. this event has grown dramatically all around mayor

pete. >> i am probably not what you pictured when you were thinking about your next pressure. all right. then we are getting somewhere. i hope i can count ow and i'm thankful for you ow and i'm th here well, there's a lot of enthusiasm for that generational energy. what excites me most is that it is not only coming from younger voters. we are seeing that, but we are seeing people my parents' age that would love nothing more than to support the generational change that will make a change in the future. >> elected at 29, no mayor has run and won the nomination for president in our history, nor has anyone under the age of 43 ever been president. this frmer intelligence officer served in afghanistan in 2014. his military experience trained him well for the campaign trail. he is passionately dedicated to his health and fitness and we

caught up with him at the gym at 6:00 a.m. >> exercise works. it is the best medicine. >> yes. >> how are you going to do it? you have months to go here? >> yeah, well, i have a running group back home so that helps. the biggest thing that gets me past the snooze button is knowing somebody is waiting on me. >> yeah. >> but with me on the road so much i think we have to make sure at least every so many days there's some gym time in there. my kind of bible for working out is the guide that the navy puts out for kids that want to go to buds and be working out. >> what about coffee? >> i give it up during lent which is my annual opportunity to reset my caffeine tolerance. then when you get back to it, that first cup of coffee and you feel like you want to cry. >> that's right. >> a lot of campaigns run on that stuff? >> a lot of doctors run on that

stuff too. being around mayor pete makes you feel wholesome and his gentle, kind way is infectious. wanted to spend as much time as we could together, we jumped in his campaign car and went along for the ride and he shared why he wanted to run for president. >> i learned about your father passing. sorry about that. is there anything about your personal life, your persons, that speak to how you will be thinking of other americans in your decisionmaking for their health issues? >> while we were making decisions about -- about supporting dad in his final weeks as he was losing his struggle with cancer, we were just thinking about the medical side, not the financial side. except for one period where we were looking into long-term care, and you don't want a family to have to think about that. >> how have you come to the decision to run for the presidency?

>> there was a kind of daunting awareness that i had something to offer that was different than the others. as i was watching this field take shape, filled, by the way, with people that i add might. but you could see it take shape and in my view you could see it missing something. you marry that up to this moment where it feels like americans in general and democrats in particular are looking for something different, and i'm nothing if not that. it is always bit of a crazy act for anybody to step forward to do this. >> do you think that you could do it, put it in a small, unique pool of people? to feel like you really have it in your to pull this off? >> yes, because there's anna dasity to -- an audacity to it. it is obscene for anybody to look at the office if you

understand the gravity of the job and you can walk in and do that job. >> i agree. >> and yet just people have done the job, just people. >> have you decided what your nickname will be with donald trump? >> who knows what he will come up with. we don't know. i'm sure he has a lot of options now to senator camera harris. she recently announced she is essentially moving to iowa ahead of the caucuses and dr. dave caught up with the california senator in the hawkeye state back in july to talk health cook and rosemary chicken. >> i'm kamala harris, i'm running for president of the

united states. i fully intend to win this election. i really do. in our america women will be paid equally as men! in our america climate crisis will be handled, not pushing science fiction but instead embracing science fact. >> could you tell me why you are a fan of senator harris running for president? >> i think she would probably make a wonderful president. >> i could see her bringing the fight to donald trump. >> he she will be the type of person that will bring people together. >> she talked about lifting people up and bringing hope, and that's what we need as america take. >> i think she is dynamite. she is articulate, she is tough. >> i think she has got what it takes to take it to donald trump. >> i think she is tough, she is brilliant, and i can't wait to have her go against trump. i think she will bury him.

>> i know predators and we have a predator living in the white house. >> so who is this woman taking on donald trump? kamala harris is a california native, a lawyer, a district attorney, an attorney general, and a current u.s. senator now running for president of the united states. this 54-year-old public servant is dedicated and determined, and so are her fans. following senator harris on the campaign trail there's a buzz happening here at a rally in a local brewery in iowa. >> we believe in an american where women are paid the same as men. we believe in an american where women will always have access to reproductive health. >> we met with kamala harris on the road and she invited us to learn about her pages and her favorite way to do chicken. douglas, will you great

pepper in here. rosemary leaves here. i would like three times as much. okay. yeah. so now if we can gist -- peel them, honey. salt. good job. the herbs, the loem oemon zest the garlic. spoon all of this. this is all going to be fragrant. bring around the legs. tie that little bad boy up. there's our chicken! >> and it is delicious. >> good job! >> hey. >> it wasn't all fun and chicken. we talked exercise, family and sleep. then we got serious and discussed health care in america. my entire childhood was pretty much spent in the kitchen with these incredible cooks. i would sit there and smell everything and watch and then i became apprentice without knowing what the word apprentice

meant. >> how do you find the balance between burnout and good mental fitness? >> for me working out in the morning is about physical health and mental health. it is that time to just kind of wake up, but also to just get the adrenaline going and, you know, also sleep is important. you know, i think that over the years we have started to agree that, you know, enough with the bravado about the least amount of sleep one needs. we as adults need to get an appropriate amount of sleep so that we can perform and make good decisions, and so that's important. so there has to be that balance struck. >> let's do a couple of rapid fire questions. >> okay. >> and just give me what kind of pops up in your mind. >> okay. >> diet. >> i like vegetables. i like to, you know, eat with a knife and fork whenever i can. >> good. >> and i say that because these days campaigning i am often eating in the car. >> ripping open boxes, yes.

>> ripping open boxes and something that can be eaten with one hand. >> yes. exercise? >> plenty. >> coffee or tea? >> tea and coffee. >> beer, wine or bourbon. >> wine. >> your favorite treat if you want to indulge. >> doritos s, nachos. >> your favorite way to relax. >> with my family, sunday dinner. >> can you tell me the importance of family to you. >> oh, family is everything to me. truly, it is the people that you love. it is about the people you take care of. it is about the people with whom you laugh and you cry. it is the people on the journey with you. >> let's talk about your vision for health care for the country. >> okay. let's not engage in a fiction that we aren't supplying health care to everybody because we

are. a not uncommon story of any parent with a child whose temperature is out of control in the middle of the night and they call 911 or call their pediatrician, what am i going to do? go to the emergency room. >> which is the right thing to say. >> which is the right thing to say. but here is the thing. knowing if they walk through those sliding glass doors they wb out of pocket $5 thout,000. they have insurance but the deductible is such that it could bankrupt that family. that is not an adequate health care system in america. it is number. so that's why i propose that we -- you know, as our goal we have medicare for all still ahead, our candidate checkups with senator cory booker and governor steve bullock. we will be right back. bullock. we will be right back. - [narrator] meet the ninja foodi air fry oven.

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welcome back. we continue our candidate checkup series here. "morning joe" medical contributor dr. dave campbell sits down with senator cory

booker in the town where he once served as mayor, newark, new jersey. ♪ >> we hopped the river to visit senator cory booker in newark, new jersey, where in his former position of mayor he served as a major catalyst for change and social justice. we spoke about his vision for the future of our nation and how staying centered and leading by example are crucial, both in his high intensity city of newark and out on the demanding campaign trail. we started off by discussing how much the president should know about a presidential candidate's health. >> the presidential candidate should be more out front about their health. >> how do you stay healthy. >> my health regiment has met a wall of constantly traveling and

jumping on plane so i try to stay centered with muscle and cardio work when i can get it. >> how do you manage and process stress and what do you do to relieve it? >> what i went through in newark, i took on a big political machine, had threats on my life, had dangerous situations. that was a stress that was in many ways what prepared me and it really drove me back to some of my core training and meditation, prayer, how do you center yourself. that kind of mental training is something that has served me well now. >> tell me a bit about your current health. >> a spent a big part of my life, from the time i was a teenager, all-american football player here in new jersey and intense, intense athletic competition all the way to division one football at stanford. the older i get now i understand that diet is my -- that's my big challenge. working out actually helps me. when i go running, jogging, it is like it fires my brain. i sometimes write my best

speeches running and have some of my best ideas. keeping the workout going and balancing my diet is most important thing for me. >> let's do quick rapid fire questions. how to keep your mind fit? >> meditation, prayer. >> what is your exercise routine? >> cardio and resistance training. >> how do you balance nutrition and comfort foods? >> constant struggle. >> i know you don't drink. >> no, no. >> i can be pretty sure you don't smoke? >> i made a decision as an athlete and then it stuck. and i just never, ever denied. >> what can others learn from your switch to being a vegan? >> it has for me been a really wonderful switch in my life. >> what are some of your favorite meals? >> still give me great impossible burger and fries. >> do you cook at home? >> what i do oos cooking -- >> does it count as cooking? >> if you were to ask my girlfriend who is upstairs at the moment, she would laugh at

the question. i love to make a good fruit shake, throwing different fruits in the blender, bananas. >> before we leave maybe we can get one of those. >> i would love -- we can make a great -- we should go upstairs. i would love to show you a great vegan meal. >> senator booker's overflowing warmth and hospitality are admirable, and clearly a key to his success. >> if we take the impact of obesity on the health of americans, how can corey bookie translate what you are doing as a person to help the rest of the country? >> our whole system is subsidizing the things that make us sick. the farm big incentivizing certain things and not others that would make us healthier. my kids walk in a bodega and a twinkie bar is cheaper than an apple. these are things that i challenged as a senator, but, boy, make me your president because i do not think we should have a multiple effect on

investigating things that make us sick. >> as the senator walked us abtd the neighborhood he became clear how he got the reputation of one of the most social of those in the country. >> i asked emergency room doctors, what are the medical costs, nonfatal gunshot wound when they rush a person to hospital. they were telling me numbers like 100,000, $200,000. think about this. we can invest a fraction of that money into preventive programs, evidence-based preventive programs we know works. yet we are a society that would rather spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for medical care for people rushed in. we sent our children to school with the implicit message, we can't protect you. there are more active shooter drills in american schools than fire drills. the number one cause of death in my community for black boys,

seven, eight, nine, ten years old is murder. this is why i feel such a conviction around this gun violence issue. i refuse to let my nation cascade into fear. we are stronger than this, as president of the united states i will muster the national will to pass laws to protect americans. >> what should be mainstreamed for communities? >> my health care plan says part of essential care of any americans, your insurance should cover this, has to be mental health care. >> and it is tough because there's an implicit bias. it is embarrassing for people to talk about it, to admit it. how do we get past that? >> we watched donald trump using these platforms in ways we never have seen presidents do before. i mean he has in just twitter followers bigger than any network in commanding views. imagine you were using these platforms not to demean and

devie divide, you use it to pull people out of the shadows. it will hopefully provide common cause and cause us to rise as a country together. >> you clearly have the temperament to be president. can you beat donald trump? >> yeah. this is where i'm going to be very different than maybe you might expect. i don't think you beat darkness with darkness. i am here, the fourth black person ever popularly elected to the united states senate, running to be the first person in the white house who is a descend ant of slaves and slaves built that house. i'm here because the civil rights movement wasn't just black people fighting for their rights. it became the american people fighting for civil rights. when we come together as a country, there's nothing we can't do. i think we beat donald trump by pulling together. in fact, i know right now that that's donald trump's worst nightmare, is somebody that's going to stand up strong but knowing that we will tear down your hate by unleashing the best of america before you. that's why i say we make a mistake in this election if we keep talking about what we're

against and not talking about what we're for. >> and now to governor steve bullock. dr. dave traveled to montana for a conversation with the governor over a beer and a run. ♪ we threw to governor steve bullock's home state of montana to catch up with him in helena on his daily morning run. i wanted to learn more about how this 53-year-old married father of three recharges his batteries on the campaign trail. having run over 12 marathons so

far, running, hunting and fishing in the mountains of the state he was born this is his happy place. >> it is something that is kind of all for me. it is not just about fitness. like this is the time that i can be alone, i can think big thoughts or, you know, many speeches have been written on a run, kind of in the subconscious along the way. >> you are thin, you are fit, you are 53. how long are you going to run? >> hopefully, you know -- >> your whole life? >> yeah, hopefully i will be running all the way until i'm no longer vertical. >> and it is not only for physical health. it really is for mental health. even my co-workers can tell the days when i take a run or i don't. so to be a better governor, to be a better father and husband -- >> your family can tell when you have a little pent-up energy? >> yes, yes, this is part of what keeps me who i am. >> this presidential candidate is a columbia law school graduate and former attorney

general of montana. he was elected governor as a democrat in a red state. he expanded medicaid with a republican legislature and is passionate about getting dark money out of politics, focusing on building off of the affordable care act, his health care goals for america have been deeply shaped by his personal experience with his son and his father. >> our son, who is now 12, within 24 hours of his birth he had a heart attack. i mean we had great health insurance. you know, $600,000 that went into his first month of his life, we call him our miracle baby, no family should have to struggle with those things or what could be on the back end when you are just hoping your son will stay alive. and my father, he passed away from long cancer. you think of home health providers, and we're all becoming caregivers as our parents age. we have to figure out the support system effectively from cradle to grave, that assists

along the way. >> you are trying to strike a balance right now between being a very busy governor, running for president. you have got a family to take care of. how do you strike a balance there? >> you try to be 100% as a governor, 100% as a candidate, 100% as a husband, and 100% as a father. you don't want to let any of those balls drop because the impact on the rest of them. >> what's the favorite thing to do on the weekend with your family? >> down time with just my family, where i'm not governor, i'm not a presidential candidate. i'm just -- >> you're anything but that. >> yes, i'm just dorky dad. that time is sort of both what keeps me balanced and recharges me for the next week. >> and these next weeks coming off the most recent debates, they will be pretty intense for the governor. he is determined to bring what worked in montana to washington. we sat down with his at his favorite local browery. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> cheers. >> cheers. >> hey, there. how are you?

>> what do you love about this state? >> i love we're surrounded by mountains. you can get out and run in those hills. >> the public lands but i also love the pep. folks here would do anything for their neighbor, so we're very caring people that will hold me accountable certainly but also care about our communities. >> how can a president in today's climate pass a health care plan that both sides of the aisle agree on and all-americans benefit from? >> i mean by making it not about the politics but more about people's lives. i think we share more in common than would divide us. if you make your case not just in d.c. but out to america or to the people, i think it is possible because i have seen it done here. >> what would you say to the nearly 160 million americans, maybe 180 million americans that are getting their health

insurance through their employer? >> at times you might have some frustration because your deductibles are too high. you know, your out of pocket is too high, but let's not completely tear apart the whole system and think we can start brand-new. >> that's what a lot of folks are talking about. first of all, at times i think d.c. is a place where you give speeches, and i don't have that luxury. i will have people come up when i have my son as a grocery store. somebody will tell me their personal story. we are a lot closer to the ground as governors. what i tell those folks is i'm not going to completely disrupt your lives and take your health insurance away. let's figure out ways to make it more accessible and affordable. >> those diseases of despair, whether it is overdose, addiction, suicide, how as president can you rein in that situation that is devastating

the country. >> i'm commander in the national guard and i feel helpless with suicide. first you get rid of the stigma. you never leave a fellow soldier on the battlefield, so if you see a fellow soldier struggling, say something. we make folks that join the military make a commitment to us and we have to make a commitment to take care of their physical and mental health? >> how are you going to be ail to beat donald trump? >> i have no doubt i can beat donald trump. i do well not only on the coast but in the country that feels left behind. i think you beat it by making it less about him but more about america. >> what is his nickname going to be for you? >> i don't know. make small state steve. maybe the guy from the mountains. >> reporter: how can you take what you have learned here or are doing here in the state. >> yeah. >> way learned as governor is i have to work with people, sometimes even people i don't always agree with.

i have to make it more than about the political food fight of the day, and i have to figure out ways to not just give speeches but impact people's lives. i think what i have been able to do here, d.c. could learn a lot from montana. >> we look forward to more candidate checkups from dr. dale as the campaigns go on. still to come, parallels between nixon and donald trump. a look back at one of nixon's most famous and divisive speeches. famous and divisive speeches ♪oh there's no place like home for the holidays.♪

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♪ okay. so this will be the first time that we've said the word "lectins" on our show. >> well, the second, but who is counting? >> okay, you're right. joining us now renowned heart surgeon and cardiologist and best-selling author, dr. steven gundry. his new book is called "the plant paradox cook books." what are lectins. >> they are plant proteins designed by plants to protect them from being eaten. believe it or not, they don't want to be eaten. >> oh. >> they use these proteins to causs cause inplflammation, cause art

rightis. the idea is if you feel lousy after eating a particular plant or plant seed, you will say, hey, i don't feel good when i eat this and i will eat something else. >> what plants do we say that? >> in general the grain family like white, rye, quinoa, the bean family like kidney beans. peanuts. peanuts are beans. the nightshade family like tomatoes, peppers, eggplants. >> you are saying we can't eat any of these things? >> try to stay away from them. >> what do we eat, air? steak, hamburgers? >> we're not vegetarians. you could have a grass-fed steak but don't put it on a bun, wrap it in lettuce or make buns out of different flowers such as

almond flour, coconut flours. this uses a pressure cooker like an insta pot and you can get a family meal on the table in 25 minutes. everybody is busy but we want to raise our kids properly. >> we hear oatmeal is a great way to start the day. i guess you would say no? >> no. my daughter is a horse woman and she knows the only purpose of oats is to fatten a horse for winter and she is right. >> you are saying mika is trying to fatten me. >> i make him oatmeal all the time. >> a recent study showed 33 oat products -- >> look at. >> -- all of them were positive for large amounts of round up. if you want to feed your kids one of the most poisonous substances we have ever developed, feed them oatmeal. >> you know, you talk here about lectins and note that a lot of the food that we serve our children -- i have two young children at home, milk, whole grain have exactly that and we

shouldn't give them. what should we feed our kids, particularly say a 55 year old. >> kids learn from their parents. they did not come out eating macaroni and cheese and chicken mcnuggets. we teach them. for instance i have a 3 year old and 5-year-old grandchild and i wrote this book because my daughter and her husband wanted a new method of raising their kids, knowing full well that things weren't going well. one of the big problems with kids is we should not give them cow's milk. it is designed to grow baby cows quickly. we are humans and we're not designed to grow quickly. we are actually designed to grow slowly and cow's milk has what is called insulin-like growth factor one that makes things grow quickly. you look at kids that grow rapidly, they have an 80% increased risk of developing cancer in their teenage years and in their 20s. when i was in medical school back in the dark ages, we maybe

had one or two beds for kids with cancers. now we have entire hospitals for kids with cancer. there's something wrong. we need to start with the basic foods going through our kids' bodies. >> doctor, we obviously just celebrated thanksgiving. i had and i wonder if it fits into the book, i had a deep-fried turducken stuffed with big macs and fried chicken. is it consistent with the book and if i want to do better, what should i have? >> did you have that too? >> no, we didn't actually stuff with big macs, we sent it to the white house. >> there you go. perfect. >> what should we have for christmas. >> we will have millet stuffing. >> what is that? >> millet is sometimes called bird seed.

mi millet and sorghum don't have lectin. >> i'm going to give you bird seed. >> you're telling her to stuff the turkey with bird seed? can i have turkey still? >> you can have turkey. >> prefer a pasture turkey. >> perfect. we have one on order as well. >> good. >> stuff it with millet stuffing. >> where does one buy millet? >> at the animal shelter. >> you can go to whole foods for instance. most grocery stores. >> home depot. >> not home depot. >> yet. if i have my way it will be there soon. so millet-stuffed turkey. what are your sides? >> the sides, we're going to have brussel sprout salad. we will shave brussel sprouts, pour olive oil and balsamic vinegar over it.

cranberry, but we have one with xylitol or swerve. >> what is xylitol? >> it is birch. >> the whole purpose of the book is to give people food they love that loves them back. that's what we're trying to do. so you can have -- we will have, believe it or not, olive oil cake for dessert. we will make it out of pasaba flour and coconut flour and tons of olive oil. again, to your question, the only purpose of food is to get olive oil into your mouth. three of the blue zones, the longest living people in the world, use a liter of olive oil per week. >> what are those three? >> think about that. so sardinia. >> i know two of them. >> sardinia, crete and a little

village below naples called alacharoli, they use a liter a week and so do my wife and i. >> and their life expectancy? >> well over 100. 30% of the people in that little town below naples are over 100 years of age. >> it seems to me the big takeaway here is that the enemy for humans is inflammation. >> correct. >> anything that you eat, whether it is oats, whether it is milk, whether it is -- whatever, wheat, anything that causes inflammation in your body is poison? >> exactly. we now know this huge increase in dementia, alzheimer's and parkinson's is caused by inflammation coming from the gut, from leaky gut.

hypoccotes said 2,500 years ago that all disease comes from the gut. pretty smart guy. we know from tests we use in our lab that leaky gut is the cause of dementia as well as leaky mouth. believe it or not, bacteria from our mouth have a direct shot into our brain. >> fascinating. >> brush your teeth and floss. >> absolutely. so for you every morning, millet fried in olive oil. >> yummy. >> and you can make polenta out of millet. >> i'll do it. the book is "the plant paradox, family cookbook." 81 pot recipes to nourish your family using your instapot or sheet pan or slow cooker. we will be right back with "morning joe."

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welcome back. we've seen some big 50th anniversary this year, apollo

11, woodstock, chapaquiddick. there was something else that was big. a country divided, rallying his bay. >> 50 years ago that was richard nixon. on november 3, 1969 he gave one of most consequential and divisive speeches of his presidency. nbc news senior correspondent tom brokaw is now out with a new book on the fall of richard nixon, takes this look back at nixon's silent majority. nixon's silent majority. >> administration at the outset, to bring the american people together. >> but that did not happen. the country was deeply divided over the war in vietnam and just months after nixon took office,

anti-war protesters mounted their biggest demonstration yet. >> never have so many of our people publicly and collectively manifested opposition to this country's involvement in a war. >> these are the people who will march in a candlelight procession past the white house while the president sits inside. >> nixon made it clear before the march he would be unmoved. the protest. >> we expect it. however, under no circumstances will i be affected whatever by it. >> and the dispatched vice president spiro agnew to attack and belittle the protesters. >> a small group of misfits seeking to discredit a free system because the they can't effectively compete and fine success anywhere. >> but the protesters weren't just a radical fringe. they were increasingly mainstream, even supported by some soldiers in vietnam.

>> i think they are good, really, because there's a lot of men dying over here for no reason at all. >> as the protest grew, nixon struggled to shape his war strategy. he secretly planned and then abandoned a major escalation. he ordered a secret nuclear alert, a bluff to intimidate the enemy. he failed. he scheduled a national speech for vietnam on november 3rd, 1969. he wanted to buy time for troop withdrawals and vietnamization of the war. his speech would be remembered for one line above all. >> so tonight, to you, the great silent majority of my fellow americans, i ask for your support. >> the great silent majority, nixon's base. he wasn't bringing americans together, but taking sides.

us against them. >> north vietnam cannot you had -- humiliate the united states. only americans can do that. >> last night president nixon based his speech on a great silent majority of americans support the policy he's following now so he offered no changes. >> mr. nixon believes there's no center ground left in american public opinion, so he has chosen a position closer to the hard-liners. >> the next day nixon showed off thousands of the telegrams of support from self-proclaimed members of his silent majority. >> we know there's a silent majority in this nation. >> and vice president agnew was, again, sent out the discredit the protesters. >> turning out a few hundred thousands people in a nation of 200 million proves nothing in the way of a public mandate. >> even some veterans marches

were polarized. >> he publicly said the goal was to bring out the silent majority as a demonstration against anti-war protests. >> the country was more divided than ever. >> i'm concerned about the people on the far-right and the people on the far left who are not willing to listen to anybody. >> then nixon took aim the at the press. using agnew to attack the television networks for what he saw as their biassed coverage. >> perhaps the place the to start looking for credibility gap is not in the offices of the gymnast in washington but in the studios of the networks in new york. [ applause ] >> now it is the nixon administration complaining about the news coverage it gets. all that's new is this time, this time it came in the form of a threat. >> agnew's speech did have a chilling effect. for a time networks cutback on

their coverage. six months later when nixon invade cambodia protests erupted again. in kent state in ohio four students were shot to death by national guardsmen. four days later in new yoprotes were attacked by pro nixon supporters. nixon received a gift from his base. campaigning for recandidates that fall, nixon went after the protesters himself. >> they are the same thugs and hoodlums that have always plagued the good people. [ applause ] it's just time for the great silent majority of america to stand up it's time for the great silent majority to stand up and be counted. vote on election day. >> it didn't work. in 1970 democrats gained ground in races across the country. >> mr. nixon and mr. agnew

failed. it took election day to tell them what we knew all along, that the politics of fear is no politics at all. >> nixon didn't talk much about the silent majority after that. but the idea itself never really went away. >> the silent majority is back. it's back and it's not silent. >> we call it the noisy majority because we're not going take this crap any more. the silent majority is back. the silent majority is back. >> our thanks to tom brokaw for that report. that does it for us. stay with msnbc all day for the latest breaking news and political analysis. we're back at it 6:00 a.m. monday morning with another "morning joe". until then have a wonderful holiday weekend. holiday weekend. for what comes next, the only direction is forward. non-gmo, made with naturally sundown vitamins are all

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