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store and online deals. >> and we start with day 68 of the impeachment inquiry, president trump is back in florida for the holiday weekend, after a thanksgiving trip to afghanistan. but away in washington, the impeachment inquiry entering a you in phase this coming week as the judiciary committee prepares for the first hearing on wednesday. some democrats saying they already have enough evidence toito impeach. >> if it comes to, it my vote would be for impeachment. he abused his power. i think he tried to interfere with elections. i think there was bribe involved. >> one former gop congressman complains that some republicans are privately fuming about the president's behavior. >> i think my former colleagues are in a situation where they understand their base pressure, but there is no question having spoken to many of them privately, they are absolutely disgusted and exhausted by the president's behavior. they resent being put in this

position all the time. >> and with a new committee comes new rules. chairman jerry nadler in a letter to the president, giving him an opportunity to participate in the impeachment hearings. president trump now facing two deadlines. nadler saying he has until sunday to let the committee know whether he will send one of his attorneys to the wednesday hearing. and giving him until friday to decide if he would like to call any of his own witnesses. >> joining me now is nbc's jonathan allen. jonathan, good morning to you. so what do you make of this new december 6th deadline for the white house? and how do you see president trump responding to this? >> good morning, dara. it is a test of the white house, and a test of their arguments that the democrats have not been fair to them in the process. it's a choice for president trump, and for the white house council, pat cipollone to see if they will put up or shut up basically, whether they're going to participate in this process,

whether they're going to cross examine witnesses and put up their own witnesses and we'll have to see. >> talk about the fairness. the two letters sent to president trump and congressman doug colin, satisfy republican lawmakers who say the process has been unfair to the gop. >> i don't think it is going to satisfy republican lawmakers, i don't think there is a way to satisfy them, i don't think there is anything the democrats will do that will get them to stop saying that the process was unfair to the president. from the beginning. i think they believe that. but i also think that each if they didn't believe it, that that argument would be made. >> jonathan, if the white house does decide to bring witness, who do you think they will call? >> i think you can start with hunter biden, would be one person that they would try to call in this case. that is certainly a name that has been floated. you can certainly see them trying to call other witnesses that they believe might be able to distract from the president's

actions rather than necessarily provide exculpatory evidence to people, the democrats have tried to call, that are close to the president, in terms of cabinet secretary, in terms of white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, those who would have direct evidence, regarding this particular set of events. the white house has declined to provide and in fact has essentially given blanket executive privilege. >> and as for this time line, the house intelligence committee, they will turn over a report to the judiciary committee, at some point this week, and then the first hearing before that committee is wednesday, so how will these proceedings be different from what we've seen? >> intelligence sources on capitol hill, dara, what i'm hearing is these hearings are really going to be the why of the impeaching donald trump, why constitutional scholars and why the democrats on the judiciary committee believe that the

president should be impeached, why what he has done merits impeachment, and why it requires the removal of the president, to prevent further harm to the nation, they're going to look at the action, they're going to essentially argue that both sides of, both sides of the equation, in and of themselves merit impeachment, that you didn't even need the quid pro quo that has been testified to. so basically holding up the money itself is an impeachable offense. and also trying to use the federal government as a weapon to investigate political opponents essentially as an arm of his campaign is an impeachable offense, and of course, in addition to that, what democrats say was obstruction of justice, in trying to prevent all of these potential witnesses from testifying, that all of those are impeachable offenses in and of themselves without the bribery, extortion, quid pro quo, whatever you want to call it, and so we're going to hear the why. what we heard from the

intelligence committee was the facts around the ukraine scandal. >> and a new cnn poll shows that 50% of americans say president trump should be impeached, and removed from office, but jonathan, that number hasn't changed in over a month. what do you think could change that? >> well, i think the democrats are optimistic that they might be able to change it with an explanation to the american public of why these actions might require or merit the removal of the president. we'll see if these hearings actually do. that i think they believe that there needs to be some sort of civic education on these matters, why particular acts in fact, rise to the level of impeachment. on the other hand, dara, the president has a pretty solid base of support. we've seen that it has been pretty inelastic, if you will, over the course of time, regardless of what events we've seen, an you know, i hesitate to predict what the public reaction is going to be to future

testimony. again, i think we will just have to see with that. >> and jonathan, if this impeachment, if this moves to an impeachment trial, what can we expect from the process? will republican senators drag it out? >> i think there's a desire on the senate to move forward with alacrity, and to not have a particularly long senate trial. i think they want to show that they had a trial and not have it look like a show trial that's quickly dismissed, and not taken seriously. so i think it will be whatever they believe will get the job done to keep the president in office, and also not look like they have not treated it with due seriousness, and at the same time, there may be some considerations with how long they keep senators in the chamber, you know, under the rules basically, for six days a week, they will meet, and the senators have to be in their seats from 12:30 p.m. on until they end that day, which means several of the democratic

presidential candidates would be in the senate, in theory, in january, maybe in practice in january, while they would like to be on the campaign trail during the iowa caucus run-up. that could have an effect on those senators. it could also have an effect on former senator joe biden. and also on mayor pete buttigieg and some of the other candidates who are not senators. >> jonathan allen, a lot of why's there and a lot of interesting conversations to come. thanks so much for joining us on this saturday morning. great to have you. >> thank you, dara. moving now to the 2020 race, candidates have just over two months left to campaign in iowa, ahead of the february caucuses. democratic candidates have been traveling across that state, and other early voting states to make their case. joining me now is "new york times" reporter, and let's go to the recent poll, because joe biden, he is holding the lead with 23% of democratic voters saying he would be their first choice and then we call him a

clear front-runner? or could this ranking change in the coming months? >> anything could change in the coming months but when joe biden came, in he came in one of the best known candidates and he sort of had a base and people are wondering how high will it go? well it turns out the story about him may be how solid that floor actually. is we have seen that in 2016. a candidate well known, gets into the race, there is a floor, people wonder how high he will go, a lot of campaigning happens, and that sort of steadily rides throughout the primary season, right into the convention. is joe biden a condition like that? that is not entirely clear but that is what his campaign is making the argument for. making an argument for elect ability. you have other candidates less well known who are driving different lanes of the democratic primary. over on the left, you have sanders and warren. they are trying to excite similar bases on the progressive left. and you also have pete buttigieg, younger, moderate, also from the midwest, he's

looking to do better earlier on, and joe biden is sort of making the argument that he is electable but just wait until south carolina and super tuesday and you will see his elect ability come forward. he comes in very well known and the question is how soon will that elect ability factor start turning into victories. >> biden is heading to iowa for an eight-day bus tour, can he narrow pete buttigieg's lead in that state? >> that is one of the things that people are looking for. and also, how does he articulate his position in coming out of iowa? remember, if you remember all the way back to 2008, there was a candidate who won that state's primary, he was a candidate that came in second, and that candidate, who we all remember, had said, look, the big story out of here is not that i lost, it's that i won in second place and continued forward. that was john edwards. trying to make the argument that him beating, that him coming in

second behind hillary clinton was really a big narrative and people are looking for how will they position coming out thereof and going into new hampshire. but a lot of the campaigns are looking at the fire wall over in south carolina, and then looking forward to super tuesday, to see when the electoral map comes into play. >> biden has the endorsement of the former iowa governor, and why is he struggling with the voters there? >> joe biden has been in public office for a very long time, and there are the electorate, they are looking at a number of different factors. there are some voters who want a more purely ideological candidate. they like ha they're hearing from sanders and like what they're hearing from warren and when you look at someone like joe biden, he is making the argument he is not going to be the sort of perfectly aligned ideological candidate but someone who is going to get the most number of votes from across the board, and that means being sort of a potpourri of political options. he has had such a long public

career, that he's going to have older voters who are very comfortable voting for him, there is younger voters who might like that he came out very early for same-sex marriage, and there is, but there is not one particular fire brand kind of speech that he's giving that is exciting everyone, other than saying that he is electable. >> and azi, kamala harris had a rough week, and her campaign is falling apart. what do you make of this? >> she, like many of the other candidates came into the race less well-known and had to kickly articulate who she is, we all remember one of the first debates, she challenged joe biden, it was an electrifying potentially turning moment and very shortly after that debate, she sort of walked back, an issue of bussing in schools and the role that government plays, and what she said on that debate stage wasn't something that she was, that she sort of took a stand on afterwards and some people who are very excited about that moment looked at her again and said hey, what's really going on here? there is also an issue about

fundraising. and also an issue about managing the campaign, and those kind of questions sort of dug away at some of the opportunities, at some of the opportunities that she had had. she too is looking for a big win coming out of south carolina. so there are some challenges root now and also some opportunities to turn things around. >> a lot of moving parts to this. azi, thank you so much for being here this morning. great to have you. >> thank you. new details this morning on the suspect in a london bridge attack that left two dead and three wounded. police have identified him as a convicted terrorist. who was paroled last year. and a warning here, some viewers might find this video disturbing. it shows the knife wielding assailant yesterday when he was taken down by civilians after taking down a number of people on the london bridge, a scuffle ensued and they held him until police arrived. special armed forces moved in and got the knife out of the way and got each other out of the way before shooting an killing the suspect.

erin mclaughlin joins us now from the london bridge. good morning to you. what are we learning about this attack? >> reporter: good morning, dara. a key question being asked in london is how could this have happened, especially when you consider that the suspect, 28-year-old usman khan, was convicted of plotting a terrorist attack in 2012. he was plotting to bomb the london stock exchange, as well as the u.s. embassy among other locations and he was convicted of that plot, serving time in prison, released early, and electronically tagged, and we're also learning from security sources that he was actually participating in a prisoner rehabilitation workshop, at the fishmonger's hall, which is adjacent to the london bridge, on the morning of the attack. speaking out about his own prison experience, hours later, launching the deadly rampage before being pulled to the ground by ordinary people on that bridge, and this morning,

london is giving thanks to those people, including one man who says that he got out of his car to help. take a listen. >> when we got there, he was, you know, wielding two knive, one was sort of duct taped to his hand, so all i could do, off to the guys who held him down, sort of pinning him to the ground, you know, kind of try to stamp on his wrist trying to release the knife as it were. and kicked the knife away, and went northbound up the london bridge, and then after that, the police on response really quick got there almost instantaneously, and at that point, we were told that he had a bomb vest on so we kind of cleared house, and got out of the way, and at that point, then we saw the guy get shot a couple of times. >> reporter: and the suspect killed at this scene. two innocent lives lost in this attack.

a man and a woman. police have yet to name them. they say that as this investigation is still ongoing, they do not believe that there is any further danger to the public. the suspect's house currently being searched outside of london. dara? >> erin mclaughlin, thank you very much for those latest details. a promise kept, or not? checking on what is happening with the president's border wall. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it.

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this coming week, the investigation into the president enters a new phase as the impeachment spotlight turns to the judiciary committee. and that committee will hold the first hearing on wednesday. it is not clear yet who will be called to speak. but among those invited to attend, president trump's lawyers. the president hasn't announced yet whether they will show up. joining me now msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos and danny, how will these hearings differ from the intelligence committee hearing? >> it is expected that at these hearings, you're going to hear at least initially witnesses talk about the impeachment process generally, and historically. we don't have a lot of historical basis or precedent to guide us in impeachment hearings, or the entire procedure itself. so for a public show of what exactly impeachment is about, expect some witnesses to explain that to the american public through televised hearings. >> so danny, if the president decides to send his lawyer, or call witnesses, how could that impact the hearings?

>> first, he should. he should use the option of counsel, send somebody to at least question witnesses, or ask to call his own witnesses to bolster his case, to at least counter the democrats' case against him. otherwise, it will be a completely one-sided show. on the other hand, the president may be thinking if i don't send anyone at all, this entire process will look even more one-sided, and unfair. >> what legal arguments do you expect to hear from republicans? >> republicans have narrowing options here but it is winnowing down to first that this investigation into corruption was perfectly valid. after all, they will say, hunter biden and burisma were topics of investigation arguably even during the obama administration. the other problem with that argument is that it just doesn't seem believable that of all of the corruption threats, and all of eastern europe, that burisma

and specifically hunter biden pose some exigent threat to the united states worthy of a specific request for investigation. >> and danny, what are the democrats' strongest arguments right now? >> exactly that, that any idea that nurse la and hunter biden were corruption concerns for the president are laughable and even pointing out that even if there is construction concerns, the fact that this would so perfectly benefit the president perfectly and his campaign, overrides any legitimate corruption concerns about burisma and hunter biden that would would be the focus of the request for an investigation. >> danny, i want to get your take from the new reporting on the "washington post," on the call between gordon sondland and president trump, where sondland testified that the president said he want nod, want nod quid pro quo. the post reports, no other witness testimony has emerged

that corroborate the call. only the ambassador's account of the call which based on sondland's activities would have occurred before dawn in washington and the white house has not found a logged call, according to a administration official, and that call is the center piece of the president's defense and how strong is that defense if there is no evidence that the call actually did happened. >> not strong. let's assume for the moment that the call did happen and there is evidence. it is the timing of the call. gordon sonland had texted to ambassador taylor that the president's been clear, there has been no quid pro quo. but has been is a weird verb use because by has been, he meant that he had just called the president, now that the whole, the whole rigamarole was out in the public, and the president was concerned about, it and the president told sondland then that there was no quid pro quo. that's not really an expression of intent. that's more like a not guilty

plea, after one has already been accused. it's the timing that makes this argument very weak. not whether or not the call actually happened. assume for the moment it did, it really just amounts to a defendant in a criminal case finding out he is being investigated and saying i didn't do anything wrong. >> and what legal implications could that have for sondland? >> not many. gordon sondland was simply communicating that the president told him no quid pro quo, then that phone call is not too damaging for sondland but sondland has a lot of other problems in terms of his prior inconsistent testimony and habitual memory loss. i should say convenient. it seems he oftentimes has a poor memory but it seems habitual to the public. and joe biden's plan for a rebound in a key 2020 state

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travel weekend a nightmare. blizzard warnings are in effect for some states already. national weather service predicts snow, heavy rains and flash floods from southern california to new england, and mare airlines are waiving change fees by passengers who might be impacted by the storms. chicago police officer seen slamming a man to the ground, and the 29-year-old was drinking and the officer had a takedown after the man threatened and licked his face and spit in his eyes. the mother says the actions went too far. >> that's not what he saw. i can't say he did it or not. but if he did, i don't believe he could have been slammed on his head and he could have killed my son. >> and the chicago mayor, says while the single video does not depict the entirety of the interactions between the police and the individual, this particular video is very

disturbing. and a man hunt is under way this morning after a stabbing attack on a busy shopping street in the dutch city of the hague, friday, three people were treat and released from an area hospital. the investigators say they are all considering possible motives, including terrorism. more now on that terror attack on the london bridge. civilians are being praised for tackling the suspect yesterday, after he started a stabbing rampage. witnesses say civilians sprayed the suspect with foam, from a fire extinguisher, and pinned him down until police arrived. joining me now, christopher zicky, world news editor with the daily beast and msnbc contributor and good morning to you, christopher. you were in paris, and that was a city that has suffered several terror attacks in recent years. how are people reacting to this? >> reporter: well, i think everybody is a little bitten edge, more than a little bit on edge. last night there was a strange incident here where somebody getting on the euro store had a mortar shell, an artillery

projectile inside his bag. i think it was just a souvenir. it was not a terrorist incident. but the entire train station was evacuated as a result. so i've said people are nervous. and also, this is the christmas season, it is a time for terrorist attacks. we saw it in berlin. we saw it last year. five people shot to death in the christmas market a year ago. so people are nervous. >> christopher, i want to talk about president trump's surprise trip to afghanistan on thanksgiving day. and his surprise announcement of the resumption of peace talks, with the taliban. let's take a listen. >> the taliban wants to make a deal. and we're meeting with them, and we're saying it has to be a cease fire, and they didn't want it do a cease fire, but now they do want to do a cease fire, i believe, and it will probably work out that way, and we'll see what happens. >> but christopher, he blew up negotiations with the taliban in

september because they wouldn't agree to a cease fire. so what changed? >> reporter: well, not a lot has changed, sometime has gone by, some of taliban would like to find a way to make a peace deal, like the one they had drawn up in september, that was, you know, one that they called the evacuation of american troops, as the first step, the quid pro quo, if you will, before they would even bother to talk to the afghan government. trump made this announcement without giving any indication if any of those kinds of issues had been sorted out. the other problem is, there is more than one group of taliban running around. and some of them are not likely to sign on to any cease fire. >> bottom line, christopher, does the president need a deal in order to fulfill hes election promise, his election promise to bring the troops home? well, look, it is always about the announcement more than the substance. what was the issue back in september? the issue back then was he wanted to invite everybody to camp david, so that he could

come out and say that he had his own camp david accords for afghanistan, ending the war. and then that just wasn't going to work out. so he blew up the whole thing. using as a pretext the death of an american soldier, which nobody believed was really the reason he blew it up. >> and christopher, president trump also got a surprise, thanksgiving message, from kim jong-un, who fired off two north korean multiple rocket launchers. analysts say kim is frustrated by sanctions. were they friends after the president stopped calling kim little rocket man? what is going on here. >> reporter: again, the president is all about making big announcement, claiming he has made huge strides toward peace or stopping war. but when it comes right down to it, he doesn't get the substance that is needed to make a solid agreement, a solid piece and that certainly is the case with kim jong-un of north korea, and

they can send love letters back and forth all year long if they want but at the end of the day kim jong-un still has all of his nuclear weapons, probably more than he did before the first summit, and he's still got intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of hitting the united states of america. those are not the ones he has been testing recently but he has set a deadline at the end of the year and we may see more nuclear test, more icbm tests after that. >> and christopher, you do talk about substance and kim has threatened to call off talks entirely at the end of the year so if no sanction relief comes, what happens if he follows through with that threat? >> reporter: well, then we're going to go back to threats of fire and fury, but there will be a lot weaker this time than they were before. you have to remember, that what kim got out of this whole arrangement with trump was the prestige of meeting face to face and being treated as an equal by the president of the most powerful country on earth. this man from this dictator of

what's called a her mitt kingdom, all of a sudden was launched into a role of eek equality with president trump, with the president of the united states. if he takes that to the bank, the prestige with his own people and his negotiations with everybody else, and in fact he keeps his nuclear weapons, and he keeps his missiles, and that's just not going to change. >> christopher, before you go, the nato summit is coming to london on tuesday and wednesday, and once again vladimir putin is dominating the headlines with a new fight breaking out among nato members. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: look, the big fear in london is not of vladimir putin. the big fear is of president trump. that he will do something to blow up the whole summit. which they aren't even calling a summit. they are calling it a meeting of leaders because they're worried that as a su plit it will just completely, summit, it will just completely collapse. the problem is that trump wants

to spend less and less money on nato, he wants to have nato members spending more and more of their money on defense, but he is always creating confusion about what he means. is he talking about dues, like people pay at mar-a-lago or talking about proportions of the national budgets which is actually the big issue at nato. he has created a confusing scenario again and again, and the bottom line is it is hugely destructive to nato and he is basically calling into question whether nato should even exist. that is not something that most european countries are comfortable with, and it is something that france particularly has reacted to, saying that it essentially, nato is brain dead, because, well, donald trump is the most important figure in nato, and he's not on board. >> christopher dickey, breaking it down for us, and we will be certainly keeping our eyes on that summit meeting. live for us from paris, thank you. now to president trump's

biggest campaign promise, the wall. how much of it is actually being built? nbc shows us what is happening with it. marianna? >> reporter: so what is the state of the president's wall? as of last thursday, only 83 miles of mostly replacement wall has been built. the president now asking for almost 500 miles, by 2020. is it going upping up or not? when we got on the ground to do the story, i personally saw a portion of the wall going up in arizona. but it is more complicated than it seems and everything that has been built so far has mostly been replacement wall. does that constitute a campaign promise kept? i want you guys to see our report and be the judge. >> ranchers connie kimbro and daughter mckenzie have worked this remote land in southeast arizona for their entire lives. >> both of us that live right here on the border, and are

closest in proximity to the border, realize that the wall is not the best solution. we as a family personally don't need it. >> would you say the neighborhood is divided regarding the wall. >> absolutely. this has brought in as a vehicle barrier and it has served very well. >> and the 2020 re-election bid is right around the corner and the president has a campaign promise to keep. >> it is not build that wall anymore, it's continue building that wall. because we're building it. >> in october, the government broke ground here, with a promise to replace nearly 19 miles of existing barriers, with a border wall. now, that includes nearly four miles on the kimbro property, just down the road. >> arizona, new mexico, california and texas, are racing to fulfill the president's goal of 450 to 500 miles of border wall by the end of 2020.

as of last weeks, 83 miles had been built, nearly all of it replacing existing barriers. despite that fact, acting secretary of homeland security chad wolf argues it is all new wolf being built. >> you put up what's behind us, that's not replacement wall. that is a new wall, that is a new physical infrastructure. i just, i don't, i don't agree with the assertion that we're simply replacing wall. >> wolf making those remarks during a tour of the first new barrier, built for nonpreviously existed construction in texas. >> and back in arizona, kimbro prefers the car barriers and working with the government, letting them lease her land, during construction, for a say in the process. >> we will never say we wanted it. but that's where we turned it around and we went and said okay, if it's going to happen, when we're going to be involved. >> involved in this future of the wall, for the next generation of ranchers. >> seeing a border wall fragments the landscape but i

know roots run deeper than politics and my family heritage will outstand whatever issues we face here and i'm excited to keep that legacy alive. >> so we saw as of last thursday only 83 miles of mostly replacement wall had gone up. and the president is asking for 450 miles by 2020. now, all eyes next year are going to be in texas, when it comes to this issue, because that's where most of the new wall is going to be built, and that's where most of the land is privately owned. so we are really going to be looking at an eminent domain issue going into next year. we are already talking to one family who is prepared to take the government to court over not building the border wall on their land. so we will keep monitoring the story for you, and keep you updated. back to you. >> thank you for that report. the holiday shopping frenzy, look at the black friday mad scramble for savings in stores and online. up next. >> i did most of it online.

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an earlier poll shows that biden is behind buttigieg by a solid ten points, should the biden camp be worried? >> i wouldn't be worried at all. we've seen these sugar highs before with other campaigns. just a few weeks ago we were talking about a elizabeth warren being the front-runner in iowa. other candidates gaining the momentum in the poll. but the one thing that's been consistent about iowa is joe biden being able to hold ground and hold a steady place so i'm not worried. when you're the front-runner, the one thing tough do is maintain your status, objective. i think they're doing the right thing by going on the bus tour and allow a retail joe to do what he knows. think that's one of the campaign strengths because he's a true retail politician. and in south carolina we call that a high-touch campaign. >> meanwhile there may be worries that the kamala harris campaign.

"the new york times" put out an article titled "how kamala harris' campaign unravelled." one of the headlines that seemed to spell bad news for her. what happened with the harris campaign? >> i believe in the theory that jay-z writes about, nobody wins when the family feuds. no doubt the campaign has had its sets of challenges. but i'll never be in the business of counting out a black woman in any environment, they've known to prove themselves and i'll say that campaigns have ups and downs, i would count this up as growing pains and i hope they're able to get on track because i think that kamala harris' set of experiences coming into the race helps us as a party overall. >> earlier this month harris what large round of layoffs in her campaign staff and her state operations director said this is my third presidential campaign and i have never seen an

organization treat its staff so poorly. with less than 90 days until iowa we still do not have a real plan to win, antwuan what is her strategy going into iowa? >> who is making those decisions, how are those decisions being passed to the staff. it seems to me, and i did my first presidential campaign in 2004, there's some sort of disconnect between the top and those who are at the lower level of the campaign. think they have to close that gap and get this thing right. think we all need kamala harris to do well, considering her set of experiences she brings to the race. >> it was a big week for pete buttigieg, a cnn poll shows he's up five points in a month with national front-runners biden and warren falling. you see the same thing in a quinnipiac poll, buttigieg up six points and a huge fall for warren what is buttigieg doing

right here? >> well i think he's taking advantage of the moment. i think when you have momentum, and money, i think you have to use those to your advantage. he's going on tv and radio in south carolina, the money part and i think he has momentum and i think he's using that to continue his appearances in the media and continue to make his rounds around the country. i will caution the campaign, in the words of my leader, whip clyburn, when you win, to brag gently and when you lose, to weep softly, they're having some, they're experiencing some wins at this point. but they have to be very humble about it as we've seen with elizabeth warren, and we've seen other campaigns, moments do not always translate into movements. >> antjuan, let us talk about warren. the other question is, the debate, did it have an impact here? >> i think that again, sometimes

we take movements, we take moments and think they translate into the movement. one of the greatest lessons i learned early on in politics is that movements do not create -- i'm sorry, leaders do not create moments, moments create leaders. i think they saw a sugar high from some of these campaigns including warren that that was going to turn into some type of movement. but what voters have showed us consistently, they're looking for authenticity, genuineness, something they can trust and something pragmatic, i thing that's why you've seen joe biden be able to maintain his status, particularly with the political concrete in the democratic party, the african-american voters. >> a new poll shows republicans say donald trump is a better president than abraham lincoln. does this surprise you? >> it does not surprise me. because these are the same people who elected donald trump. versus the most qualified person whoever ran for the nation's highest office. that does not surprise me.

but what it does say to me, if it's something to show to democrats, republicans do not change. they fall in line and democrats fall in love. we need to fall in love with our candidate, and not get caught up into my kid did not make it so i'm not going to participate at the level i should. >> antjuan thanks for weighing in on this. a new message for republicans, support women or face extinction, that's ahead in our next hour. but right now, is not the time to talk about it. so when you're ready, search 'my denture care'. poligrip and polident. fixed. fresh. and just between us. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424.

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