well it is time for me to sign off on this saturday morning and make way for our next hour on msnbc live with kendice gibson. good morning, happy thanksgiving to you dara, and good morning, everybody, at msnbc world headquarters it's 7:00 on the east coast. 4:00 a.m. out west. day 68 in the impeachment inquiry. despite the holiday weeks, new developments. let's bring you up to date. >> the president's personal attorney, and long-time friend, rudy giuliani back in the headlines this morning. he is the focus of a new very detailed "washington post" analysis. that puts him square in the center of ukraine controversy and the complicated web of communications with then current and former ukrainian officials.

>> on wednesday the house judiciary committee holds the first public hearing on impeachment. >> chairman jerry nadler has been given until sunday to let the committee know whether he will send one of his attorneys to the house judiciary's first hearing next wednesday. he has until friday to let them know if he'd like to call any of his own witnesses. >> the frez face as choice whether to participate in an inquiry that he's repeatedly attacked, or to sit it out. >> it's a test of the white house and test of their arguments that the democrats have not been fair to them in the process. it's a choice for president trump and for the white house counsel. pat sippoloni to see if they're going to put up or shut up, basically. >> a lot to get to. we'll go over this morning with our reporters and analysts, we begin though with the deadline for the president. the chair of the judiciary

committee, giving the president until next friday to say if he will present evidence or call witnesses this would happen while the committee considers impeachment articles. but it's not the only deadline, the white house is facing. kevin cerelli. the white house has to deal with tomorrow's deadline to decide whether to send representation for the house judiciary committee's first hearing. which is due on wednesday i believe. so where does the white house stand on this? >> they haven't said. and kendis look, think how we got her. the frez saying he would be open to providing written testimony. as it relates to the impeachment inquiry hearings. then you have house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler, the dwrt from new york saying he would like to see president trump testify directly or to send one of his attorneys and that's where things stand now. whether or not the president decides to send an attorney or

he himself decides to testify. i would just note that jerry nadler and president trump have a well-storied history, dating back to their time in new york. >> so what happens if the white house doesn't respond or declines the request entirely. >> should they decline, then this would keep moving forward. obviously the courts have suggested, some courts, federal courts have suggested that the administration officials who have denied their subpoenas and have not participated with the impeachment inquiry thus far, that they might have to do that. that appeal could go to the supreme court. meanwhile, beyond that, just from a procedural matter, house speaker nancy pelosi has been overseeing this entire thing. and the house intelligence committee has begun preparing a report to submit to the judiciary committee which brings us one step closer to the potential for there to be articles of impeachment. but again, that gets to around,

i would argue around the holiday recess or the january in which case there would be the impeachment and then it would go to the senate. >> two deadlines, one tomorrow, one on friday as well. talk about that one and the significance of it. >> well the friday deadline is equally, if not even more important in terms of where things go from here. whether or not the individuals are going to be, who are going to be complying with subpoenas and going to be handing over what they know to the committee, kendis, whether or not that comes to fruition. the bottom line, this is moving again at a path whereby the end of the year there could be articles of impeachment. >> previously the white house, has labeled all of this is sham. they continue to say this in part because he could not have his lawyers cross-examine witnesses during depositions. any insight on whether they will now take part in all this? >> we just don't know. i think that's what's

interesting. we spoke with several source who is told me the president wants to see this happen in the sense there's part of thinking inside the white house that would be bring it on so to speak. they would be able to take questions from democrats, but republican members would, other supporters would also be in the room. you got to remember the president has dealt with contentious press conferences before. he's played into that dynamic recently in the past. so there's that side of it and then there's the other side of it where other advisers are telling him, don't engage in this. this continue pressing forward. but he, if you look at his public comments on social media, he has really backed down from this other than to criticize it. so you know who knows what's going to happen. >> we had the fades one of impeachment inquiry. just about a week ago. i mentioned phase two starts on wednesday with the house judiciary committee. as opposed to the intelligence

committee. what really is the difference between the two? >> well the juddishry, it's one step closer, in terms of the process. the intelligence committee investigating judiciary committee. putting together articles of imimpeachment. it's one step closer to that process being finalized, i again in looking back to the republicans speaking out against this who have been saying that they're uneasy with the mildly, with the president's conduct. look for those republicans to see if they go further beyond the comments of saying that they're uneasy and into questioning whether or not they can still support the president. >> i'm curious, just from a process standpoint, can we expect the same 12 witnesses to be there or to be different? >> it would likely be, a mix. in terms of who would testify, but there's so many people they have to get through and honestly, i'm not is just sure that anything has changed the trajectory of the dynamics of this. so i think you're seeing a new

speed and a new momentum, because i think that speaker pelosi and leadership and chairperson nadler and chairman schiff feel that the dynamics of this have already been situated, so they're just going along now. >> the dynamics of opinion polls are baked in. about 50% of americans are in support of impeachment and removal of the president. kevin cirilli getting us started. there's more to talk about. including this headline. five questions looming over impeachment. these are the big questions that impeachment-watchers are trying to track down. to see the political impact of the impeachment heading into 2020. joining me is morgan shellhorn, a white house reporter for "the hill." let's look at the top. public polling. how much does that weigh into the party's decision-making? >> well i think it impacts it. but of course the country very divided over impeachment. it has been. we saw a big boost in favor, a

small boost in favor of impeaching moving forward with the impeachment inquiry when the call transcript and all the details around president trump's call with the ukrainian president came out. recent polls that the president and some of his allies have shown that there's been a decline in independent support for impeachment. we're not sure where that is right now. there was another poll earlier this week that suggested it was kind of stagnant. so i think as we move forward with the inquiry, we'll have to watch whether the poll shift at all. obviously democrats generally are very against the president, want him impeached and republicans are very much in support of him and it doesn't seem like anything is going to change that very much. how critical would you say is speed in all this process? and who has more to gain by wrapping it up quickly? >> it's very important, especially for the democrats. remember we're in the 2020 election cycle. the iowa caucuses are right

around the corner and if this does as many people expect, is inevitable, goes to a senate trial, we have a number of democrats on the senate side who would be participating in the trial while also trying to continue their presidential campaigns. so they don't want to be wrapped up in all of this while the iowa caucuses are going on. so the democrats really want to get the actual house side of voting on the articles done probably by the end of the year and we've seen quite a quick pace by the intelligence committee, with all of those witnesses in public and private testimony. and now with the judiciary committee moving forward on december 4 with this hearing. >> especially the numerous senate democrats who are running for the nomination, they would liked for it to be wrapped up pretty soon. >> another point is party unity. so far there's little evidence of any serious breaches from either side. what's the likelihood this would change, what happenes if it

doesn't? >> it doesn't seem like this is going to change. one thing that's been so clear from the impeachment proceedings is it's united the democrats and united the republicans. especially on the house side. you saw republicans on house intelligence committee really unify and defending the president. saying that what was laid out in the call was not impeachable offense. they brought forth the process argue thamts have been put forth by the white house, accuse democrats of trying to move the president politically. the democrats are united in the impeachment inquiry. we saw only two not vote in favor of formalizing the impeachment proceedings a couple of weeks ago. i don't expect that to change. but of course it could. you know more information could come out. but right now, it seems like both parties are unified in their respective camps. >> i'm curious about this. you have new reporting on the president's relationship with secretary pompeo.

amid the impeachment inquiry. what more are we learning here? >> the state department has been at the center of all of this. many of the witnesses most impacted have been state department either career foreign service officers or some political appointees including gordon sondland of course, have testified. it's caused a strain in the relationship from our reporting. people believe it's causing a stain in the relationship between the president and his secretary of state. it's also causing issues for pompeo within the state department. he was brought on post rex tillerson. has been credited with bringing back morale to the state department. a lot of people like him. and they still do. i think there's a lot of wariness within the state department about the state department being constantly in the news because of the impeachment inquiry. and you've seen a number of witnesses testify publicly and privately about how they were

concerned that pompeo didn't come out and make a public statement of support for the ambassador to the ukraine. which of course who faced this smear campaign by the president's personal attorney, rudy giuliani and his allies. so it's been a rough stretch for pompeo. especially given that he you know was looked unfavorably within the department and able to build a strong relationship with the president throughout his tenure in the administration. >> is there more to make of the rumor that he might be running for senator in kansas? any more to that? >> i think that's something that he's been muscling for a while. there have been reports about this for a while before the impeachment inquiry began. before any details about the president's conduct with ukraine came out. i think that's something that he appears to be considering. i'm not sure the timing as of you know when he would make a decision, but obviously that would kind of allow him to get out of this controversy. i don't think that that necessarily would be, he would decide to do that because of, of the, the issues that have come

up with impeachment inquiry. but it certainly is something that he appears to be continuing to consider. >> and it's a convenient excuse. if it comes down to the wire. morgan chalfant, from "the hill," thank you. we're learning more details about the possible motive connected to the stabbing attack. two people killed. the assailant was previously convicted of offenses. erin mcloughlin, what more are we learning about the suspect and possible motive? >> the key question in london this morning is how could this have happened? especially when you consider the suspect had been convicted of plotting a terror attack, released from prison early and been electrically tagged. now security sources say that he was at a prison rehabilitation workshop next to the bridge in the hours prior to the attack. speaking out about his own

principle experiences before launching his deadly ram pain. >> this morning, chilling details about the suspected london bridge terrorist. identified as 28-year-old usman khan released from jail in 2018 after serving a sentence of eight years after plotting to bomb the london stock exchange and the ambassador. security sources say he was wearing an electronic tag. londoners posting what they saw ordinary people pinning the suspect to the ground. surrounded by police. plainclothes police officers walking away with one of the knives and then shots fired. hearing more about the hero who is helped stop the deadly rampage. >> he was wielding two knives, one was duct-taped to his hand. >> thomas grace said when he saw the attack he jumped out of his car to help. >> you know kind of tried to stomp on his wrist to release

the knife as it were and so i kicked the knife away. >> the attacker wearing a fake suicide vest began a stabbing rampage at fishmonger's hall at an event focusing on prisoner rehabilitation, before moving on to the bridge. killing a man and a woman yet to be named by police and injuring three others. haunting echoes of an attack that happened two and a half years ago. three terrorists inspired by isis, ran their van into a crowd. before launching a knife attack. stabbing people at nearby restaurants and pubs, killing eight. >> this country will never be cowed or divided or intimidated by this sort of attack. and our values, our british values will prevail. >> campaigning in london for the general election, now suspended out of respect for the victims. >> and the general election is 13 days away. there's a feeling here that this also could get political.

questions as to why the government chose to reduce the terror threat level here in london from severe to substantial. the cabinet meeting with boris johnson. did we hear anything out of that as far as increasing security again? >> no suggestions so far. that they're going to increase that threat level as a result of this attack. the investigation continues, overnight hours they searched the suspect's home outside of london. but this point, they say they believe he was acting alone. there's no lingering threat to the public at this point. >> erin mcloughlin joining us from london, thank you for the latest there. next, a new forecast for 2020. and the states likely to determine the presidential election.

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we're back with a look at 2020 as we inch closer to the first democratic primaries. politico is out with a 2020 election forecast. predicting outcome of the much-anticipated race from all 538 votes in the electoral college to 435 house districts and everything in between. what exactly did they find? let's find out right now from politico's senior campaign and

chief polling analyst stephen shepherd, welcome to you and thank you for being here. you all made calculated predictions for each state in the presidential, the house as well as senate elections. headline it for me. your biggest take-aways? >> it's a lot. on the presidential race you know there's a big part, a big piece of the picture we don't have right now. that's the identity of the democratic presidential nominee. if as your viewers are closely following this race, that seems even more uncertain now than maybe it did a month or two ago. so we're missing a big piece of that picture. we currently see the presidential race as a toss-up overall. president trump's poll numbers are quite low. that said, he does have an advantage in some key electoral college states. >> from a house or senate standpoint, what were the headlines? >> so currently we think the house is still leaning towards democrats, democrats broke the gop's lock on the majority in

2018, have now a 17-seat majority in the house, we have it as leaning towards democrats we think. they have a pretty significant edge at least as we sit here a year out on the senate side. we currently see that as leaning toward republicans. democrats need to win back a net of three seats if they win the presidency as well. in 2020. and we currently think that one of their incumbents, doug jones, the senator from alabama who won a special election in 2017, is an underdog in his race. so if doug jones were to lose, now democrats need to net four seats and we think right now that's why republicans have the advantage. >> a big factor in alabama is who doug jones is going up against, a number of republicans in that primary race, let's go back to the presidential race for a moment. as you mentioned, it's too close to call and it's all down to eight toss-up states including arizona. >> arizona is in play. >> that's, it is in play.

that's the new one on our list. it was much closer in 2016 in the presidential election than we've seen in more recent presidential elections. democrats haven't won arizona since bill clinton won it in 1986. democrats won a nationalized senate race in 2016, it was democrats' first win of a senate race in arizona in 30 years. the demographics of arizona are changing. diversifying and they also have a lot of highly educated suburban white vote who are are the kinds of vote who are have been fleeing the republican party in the trump era. that's why you see arizona on the list with states like florida and pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin. all those traditional toss-up states, we think arizona has emerged and will be a presidential battleground in 2020. >> it helps of democrats, they have a big senate candidate there in the former astronaut who is running, he's raised a lot of money for the senate next

year. if we could pop up the map again. curious, not on that list, i don't see iowa. and i don't see ohio. those used to be big battleground states, why aren't they there? >> they're not there because president trump carried them by eight and nine points in 2016. they're states that swung hard during this decade toward republicans. they're states that barack obama did carry twice and donald trump won bay significant margin. they don't necessarily have the same kinds of voters that i described in arizona for example. these are the voters who have kind of stuck with donald trump you know you look at both in the 2018 mid terms in ohio and iowa, republicans won governors race there is against strong democratic candidates. and this was, we thought as we saw in michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin, democrats won those governors races, they didn't in ohio and iowa. we think those states are still

leaning toward the president in his re-election. that said, who the democratic nominee matters. you know joe biden is someone who is clearly campaigning to win back those midwestern states that barack obama won twice. that they lost in 2016. if he's the democratic nominee, then perhaps he puts states like iowa and ohio in play or at least makes a big play for them when it comes down to the general election campaign. >> the president did win pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin narrowly. can he afford in 2020 to lose those states and still win? >> he can't afford to lose all three and not pick up another state say minnesota, a state that nevada, states that hillary clinton carried narrowly. he needs to win at least one of those three and we have all three in our toss-up category right now. i wouldn't say all three are created equal at this point if you talk to both democrats and republicans, democrats have made

greater inroads in michigan and pennsylvania. and feel reasonably good about bringing those states back into their column. that said, wisconsin has not come back in the same way. that is going to be a major battleground in 2020 and probably very, very close on election night. >> wisconsin has shifted quite blue in the last state race. steven shepard, thank you. at a time when women are turning away from donald trump in record numbers, some republicans have a dire warning for their party, start supporting women or face extinction. as msnbc's chris jansing reports, republicans are trying to play catch-up. >> this is sue russell's fifth campaign. >> hi, i'm running for congress. nice to meet you. >> she's undefeated in local races in spite of being underestimated. now she's running for congress in suburban chicago. >> republicaning on the republican ticket?

>> i am. >> all right. >> well i'll be more than glad to sign. >> her big challenge as it is for many women -- money. >> the emphasis is put on people who can self-fund but we may not have the means to self-fund. and so -- >> or necessarily have the contacts or the history of -- >> contacts is huge. and i'm not in that world. >> resin's message to republicans? money talks so give more of it to women candidates from day one. 2018 was disastrous for republican women. 120 ran for congress, but just one freshman was elected. and 11 incumbents lost or retired. so overall they lost ten house seats while democrats gained 26. >> i think 2018 was a turning point. >> desperate to improve that dismal success rate, the political arm of the group winning for women created the first-ever superpac for republican women years behind the democrats. >> i think it kind of lit the fire in people's bellies.

>> you guys got shell acced. >> we elected only one new republican woman. >> and money wasn't the only problem. >> does donald trump make it harder for a woman to run? >> so there are districts that we're going to play in where he is hugely popular. we want to stay focused on the candidate and finding the best fit for her district. and then getting her over the finish line. >> wednesdaying for women just gave us an exclusive look at its initial endorsement list, including michelle steele who wants to take back the orange county, california seat flipped by a democrat and with four successful local races under her belt, she's undaunted by 2018's losses. >> and 2020 be different? >> it's going to be totally different because i met out of 161 already filed to run they're aggressive, they're very smart and they're so good and strong. >> they're also talking to each other. sue resin regularly talks to

group of friends with campaign experience and the night we were with them the conversation turned to yet one more challenge facing republican women candidates. >> i really think it's the social issues to be honest. i think that the republican party needs to do some recal lags braigs when it comes to the -- recalibration. >> things like abortion and gay marriage become litmus tests, it works against women in the republican party. >> i think so. >> and think that we just need to change the conversation about who we are as republicans. >> who is messaging this from the top? who is saying get women elected. someone has an objective to go get women elected they're going to make it happen because their livelihood depends on it. >> msnbc's chris jansing reporting on it she says the winning 4 women campaign has relatively modest goals of electing 20 republican women to congress in 2020. but again that's 20 times the success rate of 2018. president trump is preparing

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back with the morning's other headlines. coast to coast storms are expected to make the end of the thanksgiving travel weekend a nightmare. blizzard warnings are in effect for some states already battling bad weather. the national weather service predicts snow, high winds and flash floods from southern california to new england. many airlines are waiving change fees for passengers who might be impacted by the crippling storms. chicago police are investigating an officer seen in a video slamming a man on to the ground. police say 29-year-old bernard kirsch had been drinking and the officer performed an emergency takedown after he verbally threatened the officer, licked his face and spit in his eyes. kirsch's mother saying the actions went too far. >> that's not what i saw. so i can't say if he did it or not. but if he did, i still don't think he deserved to be slammed on his head. he could have killed my son. he could have broke his neck.

>> well chicago mayor lori lightfoot weighed in on twitter. saying while a single video does not depict the entire interactions, the particular video is very disturbing. the officer who was involved in this has been relieved of police powers pending the outcome of the investigation. and a massive search sunday way right now overseas after stabbing attack on a busy shopping street in the dutch city of the hague. three people were treated and released from hospitals. investigators say they are all considering many possible motives right now, including terrorism. back to politics, at home the white house facing two deadlines from the house judiciary committee in the next phase of the impeachment inquiry. nbc's white house correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us from florida. traveling with the president, so kelly, walk us through these two deadlines and what's happening. >> well good to be with you kendis and good morning there

are two deadlines, one tomorrow deals with a hearing wednesday and the other is more sweeping. the president has some decisions to make. and will he send his lawyers, white house lawyers to attend the next impeachment hearings? will he request some of his own witnesses? this choice puts the president in a bit of a bind. because he has complained that he's been excluded and at the same time he derides impeachment as a sham process. >> the president spending the rest of this long holiday weekend in florida. and facing a new deadline from house democrats. by 5:00 p.m. december 6th, the white house must notify the house judiciary committee. if the president intends to participate in the impeachment hearings moving forward. this new letter to the president from chairman gerald nadler friday describes a months-long effort in which president trump again sought foreign interference in our elections for his personal benefit. by urging ukraine to investigate

joe and hunter biden. for president trump, cooperation now could undercut his rallying cry to supporters. >> a witch-hunt. the same as before. and they're pushing that impeachment witch hunt. >> and the white house has called the inquiry an illegitimate sham, partisan process. this comes as the president is on the world stage. making his first trip to afghanistan to visit troops as a thanksgiving surprise. >> both confronting america's adversaries and pursuing a foreign policy focused on our national interests. >> and beginning tuesday the president is in london. to mark the 70th anniversary of the nato alliance. meeting european leaders, including france and germany with a reception hosted by queen elizabeth. expect the white house to highlight the contrasts, as the president is representing the country overseas, house

democrats will hold their next public hearing on impeachment wednesday. >> and the wednesday hearing is about the constitutional grounds for impeachment. it will be more of a civics lesson for the sunday deadline the president wants to send any lawyer there is to question those witnesses. and then friday's deadline is about participation from here on out. for the house judiciary committee. which will now be the home of impeachment in the house. we went through the investigative stage and the intelligence committee and we expect when lawmakers get back from their thanksgiving holiday, the intelligence committee report outlining what they believe their findings are from all the fact witnesses we heard over the two weeks of public hearings that will be made public. so now the ball is really in the white house's court. will they embrace the hearings on house side or will they sit it out? kendis? >> kelly o'donnell, west palm

beach, thank you. time to see what's ahead at the top of the hour on "up." my colleague, david gura joins me now. >> new reporting about kamala harris' campaign. struggling with fundraising, polling, personnel. the senators had a difficult time with strategy, communicating with voters where she stands on key issues. mike bloomberg has seen this as an opportunity. he's hired away one of the senator's chief advisers, we'll hear from another candidate who hopes there's room to widen the candidate lane. duval patrick, i'll ask him his reaction and how successful he has been building up a campaign apparatus this late in the campaign, two months until the caucuses. >> 64 days until iowa. thank you. the holiday shopping season off to a later but apparently stronger start this year. the one category where retailers are getting ready to see record-breaking sales. mizes your car insurance

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you, i think i found the secret for beating the crowds. it's about 15 minutes until this target opens, but this probably the only time you'll ever see the aisles this empty in target stores around the country and many stores you're seeing things like this, deals, sales, incentives everywhere. but numbers show as more americans are shopping they're relying on their smartphones now more than ever. ready, set -- shop. from crowded stores to online clicks, it's beginning to look a lot like a record-setting holiday shopping season. >> once the floodgates open it's nonstop steady. >> for many retailers, online shopping is the gift that keeps on giving. on black friday, alone, consumers spent an estimated $7.6 billion online. a new record that's more than $5 million every minute. >> we've seen a 33% increase in buy online, pick up in store. our surveys indicate that 82% of shoppers that are going to take advantage of that particular

buying method will continue to shop once they get to the store to pick up their items. >> online sales are projected to hit $143 billion this season. and on black friday, more than 40% of online purchases were made from smartphones. a great option if you're not up to braving the crowds. >> on a scale of 1-10, how is black friday going so far? >> we just got here and i'm ready to leave. >> too many people. too much stuff going on. >> we can't concentrate. >> some of the biggest discounts this year are on items like sports apparel and appliances and on big-screen tvs, can you expect to see the largest discounts on cybermonday. around 30% off. all of it, enough to send shoppers flocking to the stores for the sales or just for sport. >> it's different walking through the store and doing some shopping. >> you like being among the crowds? >> i love the chaos. >> so kendis, it seems that

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world but rather than use it as a political weapon, he acts more like a social media influencer. my next guest, someone who's worked on the obama 2012 election campaign. good morning to you, bishop. >> good morning. >> do you get a sense that obama should throw his support behind a cannedcat to try to at least help the democrats narrow their focus? >> well, no, actually. i believe that he's doing a lot of what americans are doing. he's sitting back, listening to the different platforms, listening to what the candidates have to say. and he doesn't want to have any type of undue influence on the process. and i personally appreciate that. this is not the type of fight we saw in 2008 or in 2012 or in 2016. this is a different electorate, different country, a less unified country. and it's going to take some new policy and ideas to help move us

forward. i think the president is eager and excited himself to see what these candidates have to say without lending his voice one way or the other. >> that same "politico" article suggests that he's against the more progressive candidates including bernie sanders. here's a part of it. back when sanders seemed like more of a threat than he does now, obama said privately that if bernie were running away with the nomination obama would speak up to stop him. why do you think that obama has reservations towards sanders? >> well, i would actually disagree with that. i'm not sure that president obama has too many reservations with any particular candidate. you see these types of articles that kind of look to stoke fires and have the opportunity to really engage people in a way that's much more in a tabloid effort than anything substantive. i think the president as i said really wants to see what these

candidates have to offer within their platforms. i think he wants the american electorate to have the opportunity to have a well-informed opinion whenever they go to the polls. i'mp sure he's looking to push one candidate over the other. . i think he wants to see a robust debate. >> let's dig in a little bit further. if democrats rallied behind elizabeth warren, back when she was considering a presidential run in 2015, obama would see it as quote, a reputedation of him, a sign that his economic decisions after the great recession had been seen as inaddcat. so based on your experience with the former president do you think that would be the case now as well? >> well, one, i want to be clearly transparent and say that in my own personal capacity as a vol stooer, i'm with the elizabeth warren campaign first of all, but overall i would say looking with again, i feel like

i'm a bit of a broken record this morning, i apologize for that, but i think the president really wants to see this next generation, this next group of candidates really have the opportunity to push their ideas forward. i don't think he's looking at the past in 2013 or '14 or '15 to reinvent what is happening or think what these candidates could or could not have accomplished in the past. i think he has shown his support of senator warren throughout the years and wants to give an opportunity for others to put forth their ideas. i can't believe he would think that any actions taken on by any one candidate in the past or in the present would be any type of reputedation on what he was able to accomplish in his legacy. p speaks for itself. >> valid point. senator kamala harris is a 2020 candidate who got support from obama during her time as

california's attorney general. there have been multiple headlines recently on her drop in polls and her campaign drama supposedly behind the scenes. what do you think is happening right now with her campaign? and -- >> sure. >> can she get it back? >> one thing i want to say first and foremost, i hope we try to focus on the positives that any of these candidates can potentially do, we look into the substance of their platforms and see what they are presenting versus any type of arguments of what's going on behind the scenes. i will say of the letter that was leaked, written by kelly mellen backer, i've known miss mellen backer since we worked together on the obama administration, during our time on the clinton campaign, she's a person of tremendous integrity, and a personal professional character, so for her to have put forth a letter like this does say a lot. but at the same time, i don't

think that any type of dysfunction is something that a presidential candidate can overcome. i think senator harris has the opportunity to right the ship, and she is a fantastic candidate herself that can really push her message forward. >> going to leave it there. thank you. new deadlines, the pressure on president trump as the judiciary committee takes the reins on the impeachment inquiry. eachment inquiry. ♪for the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.♪ we go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. i need all the breaks, that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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