that does it for me today. i'll be back at 7:00 tonight to host "kasie d.c." "a.m. joy" with joy reid starts right now. >> first and foremost, the first person that needs to testify is adam schiff. he's the author of this report and he's been the author of many things. a lot of them found to be false over the past couple of years. >> do you know whether the white house is going to participate? >> i think we're still looking at that. but i have a question for you, chris. why would they want to participate in just another rerun? we're back in rerun season here in the judiciary committee. we've already had constitutional scholars in the committee talking about from the mueller report and others, is there an impeachable offense. this is a complete american

waste of time right here. >> good morning. doug collins, ranking member of the house judiciary committee gave us a preview of what the republican strategy will look like when that committee picks up the ball on impeachment hearings on wednesday. he wants to call the chairman of the house intelligence committee as his first witness. this goes even beyond republicans duck and delay tactics we saw play out during the public hearings that were led by chairman adam schiff over the last couple of weeks. this is basically showboating. but this certainly is not stopping house democrats moving full stream ahead. here's what happens next. congressman schiff says that committee members will begin reviewing the findings of their impeachment investigation tomorrow night. the committee will vote on tuesday and send a report to the house judiciary committee as it considers whether to send actual articles of impeachment to the full house. and then if the full house were to vote through such articles, donald trump will become the third impeached president in american history. essentially he will have been

indicted. and will go to trial in the senate to see if any republicans have the guts to vote to remove him. joining me now is glenn kirschner, msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. i always think it's important to reframe impeachment as an indictment because i think a lot of people confuse impeachment with removal. it's just an indictment. let's pretend it's a criminal indictment. when it goes through a grand jury, does the prosecution have to at that point approve guilt? >> no. at the indictment phase, the only showing in criminal law in order to bring a criminal charge against somebody is a preponderance of the evidence. they've never put a percentage on what that means. most say it's about 40%, 45% of the evidence is showing guilt enough to bring a formal charge and then to move to the next phase. we have more than enough evidence. what we've seen from the 12

witnesses in the impeachment hearing itself is kind of conclusive proof, which is why, joy, when they ask a representative collins, who were the witnesses who are going to come in and defend the president and say what he did was not a crime and not impeachable. and representative collins is like, adam schiff. no, that would be like me, as the prosecutor, putting all of my 12 incriminating witnesses on and then the defense turning to the judge and say, now we want prosecutor kershner to testify? it makes no sense and highlights the fact the president has no defense to his crimes. >> the thing the republicans are facing is donald trump admitted to the crime. he already said he did it. mick mulvaney, who is his former omb chair, still technically omb chair and chief of staff admitted he did it, on camera. the so-called transcript, which is just a memo they put out of the transcript of the call with zelensky is him admitting he did it. so the admission is already

there. if donald trump were to be acquitted at trial in the senate, it would be jury nullification. >> and jury nullification is a juror or jury saying the evidence proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but i am not going to base my decision on the evidence or the law. i'm going to base it on some ancillary issue. something else that's important to me. in this instance, it would be politics. and it's really hard to understand. i wish we could suspend reality for a moment and bring all of our elected officials in congress into a room and rip off their partisan hats. and ask them questions like, you realize if you vote either not to impeach or not to convict and remove, what you are voting for is a president who is allowed to go to all kinds of foreign leaders and get fake dirt to help him personally win an election. what you are voting for is a president unlawfully ordering administration officials not to comply with congressional subpoenas, to hide incriminating

information. and what you're voting for is congressional aid that gets snatched up by the president. he then slaps a bunch of riders and addendums to it to help him personally before he delivers it. that's congress giving up its power to appropriate. >> right. >> and that is the thing i think is so important to remind people that the first branch of government, the congress, which is technically the most powerful branch of government. you have republicans essentially saying is ignore us. if we pass a law that says -- we signed into law, we're the appropriatiors. we said spend the money on ukraine aid. a president can say, no, i'm only going to give that money if i get something for me. number two, that they're essentially ratifying the idea, which is usually what we see in sort of countries we monitor, like we send jimmy carter's organization to monitor. it's saying a president can go after any american citizen and have a foreign government dig up dirt on a fellow american to

destroy them so that they can't run against him. that sounds like the elections in the congo, not in the united states. >> and anybody in congress in the house or senate who votes in the first instance against impeachment and over in the senate trial against conviction and removal is saying that in the future, all presidents get to do this, including thedems when and if they take power after the 2020 elections. i don't know why the republicans would want to hand that to the democrats. neither party should have it. >> in the course of -- i have to give adam schiff credit. he did a very good job. the hearings were clear and conclusive. i walked away from it thinking, i get this case. it's very simple. it's bribery. it's extortion. very simple. let's just say that within all of that, actual crimes are proved, not just high crimes and misdemeanors but that something that donald trump or rudy giuliani or gordon sondland, that they did were actual crimes. what then could happen to donald

trump, even if he's acquitted? is it possible he could be indicted if he doesn't win re-election for the actual underlying crimes? >> yes, acquittal in a senate trial of a president who has been impeached in the house does not act as what we call double jeopardy to prevent criminal charges from being brought, in fact, for the exact same conduct after the president leaves office. and that's why, joy, the giuliani piece is so interesting because if he's charged, and if he flips, that man was u.s. attorney in new york and mayor of new york for a combined 13 years. how much information do you think he has about donald trump's wrongdoing? if he flips up on the president, we'll have federal crimes, state crimes and you can almost see trump being fitted for an orange jumpsuit. >> we talked about this yesterday. we had a gentleman on who ran the national security council. he made a really good point that with nixon, who also committed

actual crimes, but he was not indicted because gerald ford, who was the incoming president, believed that we didn't want the united states to become a country where we indict the previous president. ukraine did that. they indicted the person who became president. they used sort of trumped up charge to indict her. we have countries all over the world where you run against the president, you end up in prison. and so we don't want to be that kind of a president. so then how would you weigh, just looking at it from a prosecutor's point of view, if donald trump committed crimes, either before or during his time as president, and he's not indicted, what message does that then send to the next president? that you can essentially commit crimes and get away because we don't want to be that country? >> exactly. and i think presidential pardons are not putting our long national nightmare behind us. i think it is perpetuating our long national nightmare. we're refusing to wake up from the nightmare and say enough is enough. because i think you can draw a straight line from the nixon pardon to where we are with donald trump today.

and donald trump is not planning on being held accountable for any of these crimes. so if we forgive them after he leaves office, all we're doing is encouraging whatever is even more outrageous, more lawless and more abusive than donald trump. i am not creative enough to sit here and figure out what that is. but that's what we're in for. >> could donald trump, in theory, start pardoning the people who have damning evidence against him? this crazy conspiracy theory about ukraine essentially came from russian oligarchs to paul manafort. he's part of it. he was running these corrupt games in ukraine before and -- for russia before donald trump even got there. let's say that donald trump said i'm pardonning him. i'm pardoning giuliani for any crimes he might have committed. i'm pardoning anyone who knew anything about this scheme. sondland. let's say he lied to congress. his testimony looks a little odd. maybe not everything was quite true. this phone call that supposedly trump exonerated himself by saying no quid pro quo on september 9th. there's no proof it ever even

happened. but he testified to it under oath. let's say trump starts pardoning people. could he get out of his own criminal liability by pardoning everybody who was involved? >> in the short term, yes. and that is really for two reasons. one, we know the presidential pardon power is very broad, but we also know that it hasn't been tested in courts of law when, for example, a president tries pardon a co-conspirator to get away with his own crimes. here's the way i would hope as a former career prosecutor that would play out. trump is going to start pardoning people like crazy once he loses the election and is in that lame-duck period. he will pardon his co-conspirators in a way to shield himself. then, i think what the department of justice, once we get a law-aed bying attorney general, again, post-2020 will have to do is charge those people. not withstanding the presidential pardon. take the issue into court.

then the judges get to decide. is it okay for a corrupt president to corruptly pardon a co-conspirator as a way to get out of, and that will bubble up and come to a head in the courts. if i had a dollar to bet, i bet the courts will not sanction it. >> and before we go, because we have some new breaking ad that i want to play for you. would it behoove donald trump if you were representing donald trump, to not pardon people in advance? like don't pardon people now. if you start to pardon people now, he looks guilty. >> right. i still go back to the mueller report. when we saw that mueller referred out 14 investigations, they're not all dead. they're still out there percolating. some of them may be timed so that they become pardon-proof when trump leaves office. don't count those 14 investigations out yet. >> don't forget there's a thing called new york state where that's not subject to pardon. you can't stop new york state from coming after you. this is senator john kennedy. not the kennedy you're thinking of. the kennedy from the south who tends to believe russian

conspiracy theories. here he is, was it on "meet the press" this morning? this was on "meet the press" this morning. take a listen. >> dr. hill is entitled to her opinion. and i believe that a ukrainian district court in december of 2018 slapped down several ukrainian officials for meddling in our elections. the fact that russia was so aggressive does not exclude the fact that president poroshenko actively worked for secretary clinton. now if i'm wrong, and if -- >> actively worked for secretary -- my goodness. wait a minute. senator kennedy. you now have the president of ukraine saying he actively worked for the democratic nominee for president. come on. i've got to put up -- you realize the only other person selling this argument outside the united states is this man, vladimir putin. you have done exactly what the russian operation is trying to get american politicians to do. are you at all concerned that you have been duped?

>> no. >> okay. so the senator -- it's interesting. i want to get your reaction to that and note before you react to it that senator kennedy was one of eight republican members of congress who spent july 4th in moscow, rather than in the united states, and who met with vladimir putin and did not present one word of objection to what russia did in 2016. and we don't really know what putin told them. so let's set that up with that and then your reaction to him literally still parroting the pro-russia conspiracy theory. >> i can't come up with a plausible explanation for all of these elected officials seeming to want to just turn our government over to vladimir putin. now, remember, this is the same kennedy who just days ago went on, and in one breath said, i think ukraine interfered and then came back and said, i may have been wrong about that. you can't take anything that he

says as gospel, as credible, as accurate. this is an obvious attempt to distract from the fact that president trump has no defense to not only his criminal conduct but the conduct that constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors and bribery. treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. we've got bribery, abuse of off, obstruction of congress, obstruction of office. so this is nonsense and it's designed to distract the american people. >> and people should never forget we talk about the attempt to get dirt on joe biden, but the other ask was to clear russia. we should never forget that. the other ask of what trump wanted was for ukraine to clear russia of what they did. there's some weird stuff going on between the republican party and that country. glenn kirschner, thank you very much. i appreciate you being here as always. coming up, donald trump's plan to cut food stamps for

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as house democrats move closer to impeaching him, donald trump has been giving normal presidenting a try. visiting american troops in afghanistan this week and giving a weird rambling speech that was mostly about himself.

>> i never got to my turkey. it's the first time in thanksgiving that i've never had anything called turkey. but that's okay. but it looked awfully good. i have to tell you that. >> and while trump self-praises and talks about the food he didn't get overseas, his administration is busy making sure millions of americans won't have access to food at home. that's not an error. i did say millions. nbc news reported yesterday, three proposed rule changes by the trump administration could cause several millions of low-income americans to lose access to food stamps or decrease the size of their benefit. and just who does that policy change affect the most? this will not surprise you given this administration. according to the u.s. department of agriculture, a disproportionate number of nonwhite people will go hungry thanks to the trump administration. proving that just because you can travel overseas for a photo op in a war zone doesn't mean you can't simultaneously wage a war against people of color back home. and joining me now is julian

castro, the former secretary of housing and urban development under president obama and a current candidate for president. secretary castro, thank you so much for being here. >> great to be with you, joy. >> to look at the numbers on this proposed change to food stamp benefits, robert reich posted a state-by-state count of who would lose the most opportunity to eat. 400,000 texans. 328,000 floridians. 225,000 in pennsylvania. 176,000 in washington state. 165,000 in michigan. 118,000 in wisconsin. 97,000 in georgia. it goes on and on and on. as somebody who was a mayor of a big city and had to deal with the needs of american citizens, what do you make of this rule change to basically make people go hungry? >> it's stupid. it's cruel. it's exactly the wrong direction. we need to be providing more opportunity for people to get the food they need.

there's one estimate out there, one analysis that says that this could cause more than 2 million more people to be food insecure, these changes the trump administration is proposing. we also see out there a growing number of homeless individuals in cities big and in small towns. so this is exactly the wrong direction that our country should be going in. a couple days ago, i released a plan to end hunger in america to make investments in our snap program, in the wic program, these programs that provide the basic necessities for many people throughout this country of all different backgrounds in rural areas and in urban areas to be able to get the food they need. and as you know, joy, but a lot of folks out there may not realize for many families, snap, which is the main program that provides food assistance delivers something like $1.40 worth per meal for people.

and so this idea that some folks have, you know, this idea from the 1980s from the reagan era that people are on these benefit programs and they're somehow living high on the hog and getting wealthy, that's not true at all. there are a lot of people that are barely getting by already with these programs. and we actually need to invest so that less children go hungry. more families have the food they need. n more seniors who are desperate for this food are able to get it. >> you know, there's a book joan walsh, a friend of mine, wrote a book called "what's the matter with white people" and she tracks and races this turning against programs like snap by a lot of conservative white america that just decided to attach them in their mind to people of color. and that as you just intimated that people just assume that these are people of color who are, you know, essentially stealing from their paychecks. and so there's been this slow

turn against these kinds of programs, even though a lot of, you know, people of all races have survived based on them and have not starved to death. trump does seem to be exploiting those racialized attitudes toward people of color not only on stuff like this but on immigration, et cetera. it seems like it works with a lot of americans. how would you as president address a country where, you know, a good 40% of the country thinks this way? >> you're right about donald trump. he's built his political career so far on exploiting these, you know, this bigotry and this anxiety and this wanting to make people the other. so what the next president needs to do, what i would do is to try and lay out a vision and then work on that vision for an america where everyone counts. where, you know, we invest in

every family's ability, no matter the color of their skin, where they live, but every family's ability to prosper. and we try to break down a lot of these myths. and throughout this campaign, i've been bold and sometimes blunt in saying things a lot of other candidates won't say. whether it's about police reform or immigration. i was the first to put out an immigration plan. or the lack of diversity in the presidential nominating contest because we start in iowa and new hampshire. so it starts with an ability to be honest on these issues with the american public. and sometimes that honesty is not something that a lot of people want to hear, but it's something that everybody needs to hear. and people need to deal in facts instead of these myths and the bigotry that donald trump fans the flames of.

>> it's a challenge, i can only assume, running for president from one of the communities pretty much under attack every day by president trump. how do you communicate those things? it's not just trumpists who have these skewed beliefs, you know, about things like, for instance, snap, which is also a farm subsidy, by the way. a lot of the people who benefit from snap are companies like walmart that sell a lot of the smaller priced food that gets consumed with snap or farmers that get subsidies. people don't think that way but there's also general attitudes toward people who are low income. this is michael bloomberg. the date on this is 2018, in april. and this is the way he talked about lower income people and soda and what should be done about their consumption about it. take a listen. >> the problem is in people that don't have a lot of money and so higher taxes which should have a bigger impact on their behavior and how they deal with

themselves. so i listen to people saying, oh, we don't want to tax the poor. well, we want the poor to live longer. so that they can get an education and enjoy life. >> i don't think that was an expression of hostility toward the poor by michael bloomberg but it was an attitude of we need to tax their soda because they don't behave themselves right. there's that attitude that people who are lower income, there's something wrong with their character. and that is like a thing people think. how do you fight against that? >> you're right. and the fact is that so many politicians, policymakers, they get caught up in this idea that there's something wrong with you if you're poor. i think secretary carson at hud, one of the things i disagree with him on right now is i think that fundamentally, he seems to believe that if you're poor,s some something wrong with you and we need to change you instead of taking a long, hard look at the kinds of things we can do to change the circumstances. for instance, that clip you just

played with bloomberg talking about, i think, a soda tax. a lot of people who are low income, who are poor, they live in food deserts. they live in places where it's hard to get fresh food because these grocery stores are not around there and those neighborhoods. and we need to make sure and, under my plan to end hunger in america, we would make sure we invest in eliminating those food deserts in these communities so that people are able to get fresh food. and they can make healthier choices. in other words, we need to meet people halfway. we can't just blaming them and looking down on them and saying, well, look, we'll experiment this way or that way to try and change your behavior. we need to meet them halfway and ensure that they have the tools necessary to make the kind of choices that i think they want to make as well. instead of looking down on them the way a lot of people do. >> you mentioned ben carson. we were going to mention the

back and forth between himself and congresswoman maxine waters where he's got a plan to essentially drive people out of public -- or drive homeless people out of where they're trying to take shelter and he went after congresswoman waters and called her shameless and a hypocrite on the issue. she was saying what you're trying to do is cruelty. did the -- the cruelty aspect is a big deal. as a presidential candidate -- go on. >> no, i was going to say, yeah, i think, for whatever reason, on the other side of the aisle, on the republican side of the aisle, people get off on that. they like -- i mean, look at trump at the debates in 2016. there's a certain element within that base that seems to love it when people are cruel to one another. and i don't know why that is. you know, i don't think that that's the -- all of the people in that party or that side of the aisle by any means. but, clearly, trump has built up his political record and reputation, and this administration has continued a record of cruelty toward

migrants, toward people who are poor, and there's a certain amount of that base that seems to love it. and, you know, i don't understand it but i can say that we're going to move in a completely different direction where we build an america that's not based on cruelty. that's based on compassion and common sense. that's the kind of country that we need. >> let me ask you kind of a somewhat blunt question here. as somebody who looks like the people who are being attacked by this administration, are you concerned that a candidate of color, to be blunt, is going to have a really hard time getting nominated because a lot of voters are saying, i don't think that anybody who isn't a white man can win, can beat trump. you look at your polling in iowa and new hampshire. you've been critical of the fact these are states with almost no people of color. these are the first two states. those who are older are saying absolutely not. to not just you but all of the candidates of color and the women. they're saying white men. that's who can win. and a lot of even democrats of color believe that. how do you get past that?

>> well, i mean, i'm going to work my butt off. i'm going to keep working hard during this campaign. for my campaign, i have been speaking out from the very beginning of this campaign for the most vulnerable people in our country. a lot of people who often aren't spoken up for or fought for. i'm fighting for them. and little by little, people are catching on to the campaign. especially young people. we have nine weeks until we get to iowa and i believe that that's like nine lifetimes in politics. and that by the time we get there, that i can surprise people and beat expectations and create momentum. but you're right, joy. right now, a lot of voters out there, they have in their mind that the best way to beat donald trump is that you need a candidate that can go and get a certain type of voter. specifically a moderate white voter in the midwest. and they take from that that you need a white candidate.

and if it's a white male candidate, perhaps even better in their minds. and my point all along has been the last time that we won, we won with an african-american history-making candidate in 2008 and 2012 because barack obama was able to electrify this coalition of people of different backgrounds, of folks in urban areas and rural areas. different racial and ethnic backgrounds. different income levels. we need a candidate that can do that again in 2020. and i'm confident that i can go back and get the 77,000 votes we lost by in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania and also get places like florida and arizona and even my home state of texas. sometimes what seems like the safe bet is actually the riskier bet. i think that's what history teaches us if we look at the last few years. >> julian castro, presidential

candidate, thank you very much. really appreciate your time. thanks for coming on. >> good to be with you. >> thank you very much. coming up later on "a.m. joy," has the most diverse presidential field in u.s. history basically become an all-white men's club. plus first, more on president trump's absolute devotion to vladimir putin. solue devotion to vladimir putin the b, you wanna give the best network. feliz navidad! (announcer) this black friday weekend, you can give america's most reliable network and the latest iphone. i'd probably give it to her grandparents so they can take tons of photos. my mom is amazing. if i got her one of these for christmas, she'd be freaking out. (announcer) now through sunday, get up to $800 off the latest iphone when you switch. with plans starting at just $35 per line. (squeals) yeah, exciting. (announcer) happy holidays from the network that gives you more.

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goal is to weaken our country. to diminish america's global role and to neutralize a perceived u.s. threat to russian interest. putin and the russian security service. moscow wishes to reassert political economic dominance. >> donald trump is headed to london this week for the 70th anniversary nato summit. he's commemorating 70 years of the nato alliance which was to protect europe from expansionist soviet armies by cutting u.s. nato funding. it's an early christmas present for russian president vladimir putin who considers nato's existence to be a threat. and it's just the latest move since trump took office that just happens to benefit putin. just five months into his presidency, trump infamously disclosed highly classified information to russia's foreign minister and their chief spy. he was weirdly seemed determined to weaken the nato alliance and

has openly pushed to get russia back into the g7 and roll back sanctions. remember helsinki where he said he believed putin, not u.s. intelligence about who attacked our 2016 election? his decision to withdraw u.s. troops from syria handed russia a long sought after foothold in the middle east. and as we've learned in the unfolding trump/ukraine scandal, the president's move to withhold vital military aid to ukraine weakened the country's ability to fight russian aggression. while trump tried to push the ukrainian government to investigate a bizarre conspiracy theory that just happens to say russia was innocent of attacking our 2016 election and the real culprit was ukraine. joining me to discuss, vice president of free russia foundation and russian democracy advocate, vladimir karamertza. i want to play our speak of the house, and this was speaker nancy pelosi talking about donald trump and russia in october. take a listen. >> where there's a foothold in

the middle east, whether it's a placing in doubt in military assistance to ukraine which is to the benefit of putin or placing in doubt our commitment to nato, article 5, which again, all roads lead to putin. the list goes on and on. >> and vladimir, that just feels true. so much of what donald trump does seems to be as if he is almost employed by vladimir putin as his like publicist. like he's trying to do things that will make putin happy. it seems like all the time. he believes his world view about afghanistan, about the world, about ukraine. it's weird on this side of the aisle. you were telling me you just came back from russia not long ago. is it as weird to your average russian as it is to me? >> so, when i was just on the way to the studios, i was passing the russian embassy, just a few minutes from here in georgetown. and every time anybody passes the russian embassy, the first thing you see is a sign that

says boris plaza. washington, d.c., named that street to commemorate the slain russian democracy leader, boris n nemzov. and the way that initiative was recognized shows in a microcosm everything we're talking about today. the trump administration tried to stop that from happening. bob corker put a hold on legislation that had been introduced in congress, and from many media reports that we saw from last year, this came after the g20 meeting in hamburg in 2017 when apparently this was one of the requests to stop the plaza from happening. a request from the russian government. so this is one side of the story. and the other side of the story is that those who led on the initiative on both sides of the political aisle and the main leaders in congress were senators john mccain and marco

rubio on the republican side and senators chris coons and dick durbin on the democrat side came together, appealed to the d.c. counsel and made this a reality. to me, this highly symbolic issue, very important issue to many people in russia to commemorate a russian democracy leader in such a prominent way in the most important political capital in the world, it shows that the problem and the dividing line is not between one party and another. it never was. it's between people who are ready to stand up on principles and stand up in support of things like democracy and human rights and human freedoms and the rule of law. and those who are happy to collaborate with a dictator. and to be a fellow traveler to a dictator. that's a term for another historical era when those western politicians who would advocate soviet issues would be

considered fellow travelers. there are many of those today. the principled voices and the fellow travelers, the collaborators exist on both sides of the political aisle. by the way, it's not just an american phenomenon by any means. i'll never forget a couple of years ago, i was briefing a visiting british parliamentary litigation in moscow on a visit to russia. one of the british mps, members of parliament, started to basically almost shout at me. i was talking about the importance of passing the nomitsky act. and there's a british member of parliament that was shouting at me almost saying that, you know, why should we deprive the city of london of millions of pounds in profits because of some human rights hearsay. and same happens, of course, on this side of the atlantic. and on both sides of the political aisle. today we're talking about people in the trump administration who are basically aiding and abetting the putin regime. and to state the plainly obvious, it's morally deficient

and shameful when elected leaders in a democratic nation -- >> right. >> -- choose of their own volition to go ahead and enable a dictator. just a few years ago, the reverse was true when, you know, people who are now criticizing and rightly criticizing those in the trump administration who do this, were themselves supporting, for example, the obama administration that tried to block the magnitsky act from happening in the united states. secretary of state hillary clinton, john kerry who was then on the chairman of the foreign relations committee. and it took principled voices on both sides of the aisle in the senate, primarily john mccain and republican side and ben cardin on the democratic side willing to go against the administration of his own party to make that law reality. >> i think the difference that a lot of those of us on this side of the sort of country divide see is that with the republican party now, it's quite different. what we've seen that i've not seen growing up in this country in this reaganite world is you

had open praise for vladimir putin from not just donald trump. we're talking about rudy giuliani has been doing this for years. republicans saying putin is a stronger leader than obama and using putin as the anti-obama perfect example of what a strong leader is supposed to look like. the republican party in this country, this hasn't been bipartisan. push to undo sanctions against russian oligarchs. some of those sanctions that went away then allowed a russian american sort of based oligarch to pump $200 million into the state of kentucky. that was gone through, which is the reason that people are calling mitch mcconnell moscow mitch. that's his new nickname because of it. there has been -- i find it hard to see a parallel in the democratic and republican parties to not just a permissive attitude toward russia or trying to find a way to bring them back. the reset button approach of the obama administration. this is different. with the trump -- this trump era, it feels like feelty, not

permissiveness. get them off the hook for what happened in 2016. let them off sanctions. let them back in the g7. this is quite different. i don't think it's bipartisan. >> first of all, we're talking about the putin kremlin but even when you talk about u.s. policies with russia, you mean the authoritarian regime of vladimir putin. we have to be careful in not ekwa equating a great nation and a regime of vladimir putin. but i have to say having had now quite a few years of experience working internationally, including with political leaders here in the u.s. on issues relating to the kremlin, we have now seen this very unfortunate pact for almost two decades. we have the incumbent in the white house, of whatever party, trying to accommodate and enable and to use a term from a different historical era, appease the kremlin dictator.

and then you have principled voices in congress, again on both sides of the political aisle. >> i'm talking about believing their world view. i've never seen an american president -- my political life goes back to when i was a kid, reagan. i've never seen an american president seem obsequious, really praise him, really seem to respect him and revere him. the current president seems to really revere. >> unfortunately we have -- if you recall george w. bush famously or infamously looked into putin's eye and saw his soul. president obama who tried everything to stop the magnitsky act but very oply in 2009, his visit to moscow, praised vladimir putin for the quote/unquote great work he's doing on behalf of the russian people. and we know what is happening, and we see what is happening here with the current administration in washington. but throughout this time, we have seen, and are so deeply grateful for the principled voices on capitol hill on both sides of the aisle who have been

willing to call things for what they are. who have been willing to stand up for truth and decency and basic normal human values. and i think at the end of the day, i always look at the glass or the cup as full rather than half empty and it's just an unfortunate reality that there always are, and i think always will be, collaborators, fellow travelers, people who, you know, to quote again that british parliament of member who put millions of profits ahead of human rights. and i know there always will be people who will be willing to stand up for things that are right, for things that are decent and honorable. and as we know from history, at the end of the day it's the people on the right side of those issues. that is true of russia, that is true of the united states and i'm sure this will be the same going forward. >> that's a very hopeful message. we hope you're right. vladimir, thank you very much. nyquil severe gives you powerful relief

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because of who my mother was and what she believed and what she has the ability to dream was possible and work to make possible. my mother never asked anyone's permission to tell her what was possible. it is why within one generation i stand here as a serious candidate for president of the united states. that was a recent ad from kamala harris who is still running for

president. if you read any headlines, you thought that maybe her campaign was already over. several outlets including "the new york times" and "the washington post" their own rendition of the r.i.d. saying her campaign was in a melt down. a 2016 and other past election can taught us anything is brace for the unexpected. in reality, it is still ample time and opportunity for any of the 2020 democratic contenders. the narrative around the democratic primaries seemed to be bullish and luke worm on women of minority. it is not the media narrative but also democratic voters.

old voters who are robust and the polls who they consider to be a viable choice. one of the most diverse presidential field ever. why is it so hard for women and candidate for color of breakthrough. joining me now michelle bernard. and tiffany cross and anita khan and midwin charles. thank you for being here. i want to start with a reading of the polls. the latest polling. this is one of the many. joe biden is at the top of 24% and pete buttigieg and kamala harris at 3%. i will start with uyou michelle the headlines have been brutal. this is one from my producer how kamala harris' campaign

unravelled. questions about who she is, no discipline and no plan and no strategy. their evidence of the campaign. they have issues. you don't see those kind of obituary being written for tom steyer zero and spent a whole lot of money to be a zero and i can go on and on. john laney, he's a zero. he put a lot of money out there. >> exactly, it tells me she's a contender and has to keep on fighting to be seen. >> i feel like i want to walk around america. invisible women. she's not this ghost that's been made up by edgar alan poe. there is a serious problem and i believe it has everything to do with the fact that she's a woman

and black woman of mix heritage being indian as well. it seems difficult for people to get the fact that she's not a white male. she answers that question, do you see us? will you speak for us? do you hear our concerns but for some reason the media seems fixated on issues about her campaign and her electability that we don't see other men and no other reason you can't explain it. i believe other sexism and the ability or the inability to see a black woman as president of the united states. >> a few things that are weird about it. the last democrat to win by 10,000,005 million votes to win india indiana, a black guy name barack obama. he won the real landslide.

so the democratic party has experience that is the kind of person that can win twice. it does feel of a whole term and because of donald trump, it is not just the polls or the media says only a white male candidate can win. democrats say that. which white man are we waiting for? let me know which is the white guy. the polls are showing the same thing. is that covering something about the way democratic campaign or campaign of color are in the running or something else? >> first i am going to walk through quickly. polling and i know we talk about polling a lot. when you come out of this poll, not many people are going to look at the actual poll. that poll had a pretty significant margin of error. >> it only had 540 participants. >> exactly. >> you look at who these people are. a lot of people were white male

college educated. how much are you paying attention to the presidential race. 49% said a lot. these polls come out and it becomes a self-fulling prophecy when the media consumes them. that penetrates voters. you hear elizabeth warren had a huge dip in the polls and kamala harris. so i do think it is a challenge and voters themselves and the democratic party. black people have a unique relationship with this democracy and they are afraid so you have this in the white house where a lot of black voters who are afraid and we have to send our best champions in the ring. i don't trust that this america i know will send a kamala harris, klobachar or julian

castro to the white house. we have to remind them, look at what we did in 2008 and 2012. we have to keep on gut checking the media, grossly lacking. how you want to run these purple states. how is trump going to win these voters? >> they never ask that. and so it is events that keeps on spoon feeding american voters saying you should be scared because your candidates may win. don't believe the hype. we all appear on cable news. the channels don't look like this. they don't represent the majority of the american voter. >> speaking of the media. it does feel like inside the

newsroom, there are narratives that are fixated on these candidates that kamala harris is a messy campaign. we knew they're going to build in there and living in a deep dislike. i think you can say for hillary clinton that v clinton. and elizabeth warren, you got that. you should have been that medicare for all. warren is like all, well, you should not have said medicare for all. it feels a narrative inside the media. that's what it appears to be to a lot of them. >> i don't want to be in the uncomfortable but i will give it a try. there is sexism in the media and all places in american life. i think the over riding thing in the media and with polling,

steve bullock did not haves a obituary -- and kamala harris whoa, she was in the top tier and now she's falling. i don't like that form of journalism in general. now, pete buttigieg we'll be writing his obituary perhaps. under lining that is a deep level of sexism that's out there and more on the republican side, we have new york times polling 40% of voters, women democratic candidates are not likable. that's mostly republicans but you know it is 35%. >> i want to ask you this specifically. there is also -- there is also an obsession of white working

class voters. i read 427,000 pieces of how they feel when they are staring out of windows and they still elect trump and two years later they still like trump. they're in the face of trump voters everyday. you still like him. these stories are running almost once a week. >> i never seen one of these about obama voters. >> i think there is a fallacy in the electorate which is reflected in the media that the way to beat president trump is with a white male because it will not settle off the trump voters. i think it is a fallacy because look at last year's election. it was in essence of the year of the woman. there was not a penalty. all things being equal, there is an advantage of being women. a lot of women out there are behind this narrative that we need a white male to go up against trump.

>> i think one of the other things that's happening and i have talked to friends i know, there is also a sense of the media have a lot of power to create narratives that are hard to shake. people believe they know kamala harris' entire criminal justice based on the op-ed by someone who has no idea who she is. to hear a lot of african-americans tell it. she's a cop. most people if you quiz them deeper, they don't know anything specific about the record. they just know that headline. how much are the voters themselves to blame for essentially saying oh that lady says she's a cop so she's off by it. >> i have done the same thing, too. >> i have had my informal polling with friends and family

and asking the same question. a lot of them come back with the same conclusion. she put black people in jail and you remember after that debate, that kind of hurt her a little bit, too. what i find interesting is the same people who were saying that kamala harris is a cop and she prosecuted black people are not saying the same thing of michael bloomberg and joe biden who authored the 1994 crime bill. they are not saying the same thing for bernie sanders who voted for the 1994 crime bill. i would like to say keep the same energy. if you have a problem of the candidate for the record on criminal justice that you ought to have the same problem with other candidates who have done the same or worse and if you don't, you have to ask yourself why. where is that coming from? >> yeah, i think it is masogyn.

i think it is a blueprint for every woman who wants to run for president of the united states. there is a little article in columbia journalism review that looked at how many times the e-mail scandal was mentioned and hillary's e-mail scandal was mentioned more than all of donald trump's scandals combined. scandals they were. trump's university and "access hollywood" tape. he had so many scandals but they were not covered as much as hillary. the answer is. >> people don't have time to sit there and read into what these guys are about.

the point that remains, it does not sink into joe biden in the same way. people blame bill clinton more than they blame joe biden. people said well they thought she personally locked up african-american when she was replacing at the time. there is a different way women pay for what are seen of the sins of men. >> absolutely. i will go back to a journalist who's critical of the media and how they cover things and go about stuff. at the end of the day, it is 2019 almost 2020, and newsrooms are still so lacking in diversity and reporters and editors and everybody comes to the table with their own bias. everybody comes in with their own experiences so it is in the way you cover stuff and the way you ask the question and the way you shape the narrative. so many people are running around and struggling and trying

to make ends meet, they don't have the luxury to absorb t everything. what happens a lot of times with female candidates especially women of color is you struggle twofold, a, you are struggling of trying to get coverage, you're either ignored and when you are brought in, it is negative and grilling where you don't see that on the male counter parts. the media and the democratic party fell in this regard, too. the basis much more progressive and liberal and diverse. if they keep on focusing on, we have to have a joe biden or candidates that are going to lose again. >> one of the things i think will happen and we surprise a lot of people is that we have

not seen people vote yet. younger voters voted in huge numbers. much larger numbers than they normally vote. they flip the scrip. people may think one thing is going to voters, they get even browner and blacker. >> exactly. >> we don't really know what's going to happen based on these walls. >> the mindset of these younger voters. again, this is not joe biden. i don't know how no b nknow any tours. >> some of the questions that i

ask with kamala harris and amy klobachar, both former prosecutors. why does the black woman always have to be a defend attorney. how many black men did not go to prison as a result of the fact that kamala harris was the attorney general in the state of general. why do we expect women to only care about sex discrimination in the workplace or babies instead of national security and war and all issues are women's issues and i think young people who are going out to vote understand it. they don't believe we have to have some great white coach. look at what happened to virginia. for the first time in 20 years, women have completely flip the script in the house of delegates. >> and i think they're all politicians. there are legitimate critiques of the kamala harris campaign. >> absolutely. they should address the criminal

justice history early on. they had all sorts of opportunity. but it is weird and they're not a zero. >> right. >> they're not a zero. >> klobachar has quite the record herself. she's a prosecutor. what do people think a prosecutor's job is? >> she deserves a garlandnder a well. we thought about it on thanksgiving m wh thanksgiving, when you look at the democratic in california, it is not many black people. we have to think about it a little bit. >> challenging voters, what are you saying? she does not get to say well i am a woman, if you did the crime, i am going to get you off. >> it feels like it is against the law. some of us still believe in the rule of law. do you think at the end of the day whether we think the media

can fix this. at this point, the media is backing off because there are just headlines, they're not giving you headlines. >> the media can't fix it. when 26% of democratic voters say the women in the race are not likable. thank you very much. dana and tiffany and midwin. >> trump's plan to run for reelection of campaign. i think i may need a little something to get through. he's going to campaign for reelection with a disgraced navy seal. not a good thing and we'll talk about it next. a good thing and about it next. e. geico would like to take a moment to say thank you to our military service members at home and abroad for all their hard work and sacrifice. we all sleep easier knowing you're out there

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what were the ramifications of intervening in a review process? >> what message does it send to the troops? that you can get away with things. we have to have good order and discipline. >> what's wrong with following orders from the commander enchiee in chief. >> i could not in my conscious do this. >> secretary richard spencer resigned after refusing to

follow orders from donald trump of navy seal gallagher. his latter charge posing for inappropriate photos was the one that gallagher convicted of earlier this year. military officials ordered his demotion as apart of his punishment. that's of course when donald trump intervened. the issue full pardon for the first two. this is not the first time that the president made such a disturbing -- >> troops killed hundreds more of that rampage. he was the only one ever convicted of his crime.

jonesi joining me now is malcolm nance. gentlemen, thank you for being here. i want to let you answer the questions. what are implications of donald trump both excusing and elevating and now plan to campaign with this person who he's allowing to keep his navy seal pin. >> well, the implications are dire for the arm forces. the secretary of the navy was absolutely right. what he left off in his interview was the good order district that's going to be broken here. it is the belief that now anyone in naval special warfare or throughout the navy, anyone in a combat zone can do whatever they want. and that is if it is pleasing to the president of the united states even though it may be outside of the code of military

justice or even though your own team members when they turned you in. even though it may announce to a war crime such as these three cases that trump pardoned. two of them were murders he let off in the calle-like fashion that nixon did. donald trump decided he likes war criminals and he calls the war fighter and a new word he adopted. need i remind you that he's a five-time draft dodger. he refused to serve in a war which would have tested his level as a man and he hid booehd his father to get a deferment so he would not have to fight and make tough, moral decisions here. one last moipoint, the people w are not being allotted here and people who are not being asked to campaign for donald trump are those service members who did not commit crimes, who did not go out and kill people and

civilians. donald trump wants this type of person around him. he thinks he's a mafia boss and ahead of the criminal clan and he thinks having these brutal foot soldiers around him is macho, it is nothing, it is dishonorable and coward. >> i don't think he really understands the full definition of a war fighter. war fighter is a professional of arms. professional of arms have standards that they hold themselves to. >> he got really involved with it. the president contacted me twice, i sent him a note to not get involved and the next day white house counsel called me

saying the president will remain involved. it was a reminder that the president has little understanding of what it means the fight ethically and following the military's practices. he claims he did not go. it is a reminder -- the only time i have heard was the massacre cover up by the military. at least one person was supposed to be punished but nixon in this case intervened and that's for you naveed. >> another name we don't talk about was hughes thompson jr. if it was not him saw american troops massacring vietnamese civilians. he landed his helicopter between american troops and ordered his crew to point their weapons at

the american troop to stop them from stopping to massacre the vietnamese. he pushed for investigations. as awful as these things are. it is important to understand there is still good. connell vindman, there is this idea of honor and sense of duty that you are here taking oath of the constitution. trump is amoral. we have seen it time and time again. eddie gallagher is not someone should be held up as, gallagher was accused of doing three things. one is killing an isis teenager, wounded combatant and second is shooting civilians. he bragged that she shot 80 people a day. and the third thing was he was threatened people who were filing complaints against him for doing so. this is not someone who should be held up as a hero. this is not someone where we

talk about rules and engagement. this is not someone in the throws of combat made a split second that turns out to be wrong. this is someone over the course of the year that were doing things that's egregious that his teammates were worried he's not right in the head and filing complaints over and over again. that's who trump is holding up. this is someone who most likely a murder than anything else. it is very disturbing and again, as former secretary anyway navy trump does not understand what it is to have a sense of duty and honor. the military in these terrible time, the teenage that came forward and speaking up against the brother, this is not right. that's damming. to do that takes a tremendous amount of courage. and trump just really, you know, those are the people we should

be holding up as heroes and not eddie gallagher. >> eddie thinks generals are owned by him. there is this sense of cruelty towards to be blunt, war veterans who are not white. you look at the fact that he treated mr. khan horribly during the campaign and then the attitude of what this man did, gallagh gallagher, what happened in vietnam is done to vietnamese people. these are people who are not considered valuable. >> no, we all know that donald trump is a racist. of course. donald trump's white supremacy is well-known. every channel other than fox news reported on his at

constitute towartitudeattitude. this is him posing for his tribe, using men of honor, people who were serving in the military to make it look like he's a tough guy. i am going to give everyone homework tonight go watch the movie "dirty does it" from the '60s. it is 12 people going into war and they're going to die because they're in prison and this is their only chance. the one character who's truly crazy and insane is teddy cevallos who rapes women and murder people. it is almost like donald trump thought hey, that's my character. he thinks personal toughness is men doing horrible things.

i am a war fighter, i have served in every war in combat actions since 1981 minus the invasion of panama. i know what it takes and you have to ratchet it down and serve with honor and make sure your troops are not doing anything they should not be doing. that's what we are talking about where we have an ethos. their tribes are men who are fighting tough missions, hard conditions, almost without end and where they have to still maintain the honor ethos and all those honorable fighter who ser served against them. why donald trump wants to politically use this particular person is because he's going to make him a totem pole and so

doing it he'll dishonor anyone who criticizes it. it is disgrace fall. >> naveed, nixon did something similar? >> absolutely, nixon if he had run for reelection, was trying to appeal to the white conservative voters. for many of those, those people in the vietnam war, they looked at calle as worth more than a vietnamese life. why should we be imprisoning for doing a soldier's job? we dehumanize people. you have to be able to do what you do. that does not mean you don't have rules and standards. you don't have a moral compass and trump is attacking that i institution. >> he's using it rhetorically

and using the mercy towards him to appeal to white voter. i want to make a big correction. earlier in the segment as we were talking about richard spencer, it shows the wrong image of white supremacy of richard spencer. that's a mistake. >> we want to thank you naveed and malcolm to be on the show today. naveed and malcolm to be on the show today. did you know that feeling sluggish or weighed down could be signs that your digestive system isn't working at its best? taking metamucil every day can help. metamucil supports your daily digestive health using a special plant-based fiber called psyllium. psyllium works by forming a gel in your digestive system to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. metamucil's gelling action also helps to lower cholesterol and slows sugar absorption to promote healthy blood sugar levels. so, start feeling lighter and more energetic

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simply uttering this on ukraine in russia. >> i think both russia and ukraine meddled into the 2016 elections. they worked with the dnc operatives. >> senator kennedy took the opportunity this morning. joining me now paul butler and

midwin charles and charles. >> a third go around now with senator john kennedy who did spend his 4th of july in moscow with other members of the republican caucus. he's still peddling it. >> he's doing the will of the president. remember that 25th call, the president of the united states told the president of ukraine that he thinks that the dnc is still in ukraine like it ever was. the president thinks it is a ukraine company, a california based company that was publicly traded. it is not about the fact. the rnc uses crowd strikes. everyone uses its. >> exactly. >> it is not about the facts, it is about trying --

>> let's play something who's more base than reality. i am curiou curious of what hap. >> here he is on abc. >> the main focus is to have the president and his counsel who you know are given the same privileges as president nixon and president clinton had to participate and engage in this impeachment process even to the point if we have any executive sessions on the judiciary committee there invited to participate. we are hoping that the president, his counsel will take advantage of that. >> i am going to get dana first on do you think it is likely that donald trump will do that? >> i think it is zero likelihood of trump himself would do it. their resisting cooperation of any sort and impeachment.

if democrats said if you don't show up, we'll have senator kennedy speak for you. you have no idea. >> exactly. all right, let's go to midwin charles, would you advise your client to show up? >> if he was my client, absolutely not. donald trump today is sunday, donald trump will tell you it is monday. he's not the kind of client that you would ever want to testify or to say anything because he can't seem to keep his story straight. he does not believe in facts. i am at the point now where i don't know if it is purposeful. things that are just out right lies and lies that are provable. lies that anyone can prove.

lies that a 10 year old could tell you it is not true. that's the kind of person that you never want to be asking questions. i think he knows that and his attorney knows that. he refused to sit down with robert mueller and i think he knows also because perhaps there were some wrong doing. he's al he also members of the white house to not testify for the impeachment hearing. >> if he did not talk about what inference would you draw. he knows he can't be prosecuted for perjury because he's the president. he would not be prosecuted for so why would he go and perjury himself? >> if he had information that he did try to trade foreign aid to

ukraine for political favors, he would come in and say that. again, his lawyers are concerned of lying. even if he's not subjected to be investiga investigated. i can't be investigated for the crime. his lawyers say that. he could be investigated and prosecuted once he leaves office. don't you go near that room. again, it is different from what happened to the clinton's impeachment. >> this is from collins. let's listen in. >> the first person that needs to testify is adam schiff, she's been the author of many things and a lot of them found to be false. this was what he says he's doing. we go back to clinton. he presented a report. he actually came and testify under oath and took questions

from all sides including the white house. >> not the lodge gic interferin with the fun. >> this is absurd. he'ses n he's not calling for hunter biden. he's not asking for hillary clinton. we are making baby steps here. but, yes, of course he would like to have that happen. i think they should you know give him his wish. adam schiff can hold his own. >> they don't want him to testify because he would be good. devin nunes. >> for those of you at home who are not up on it. devin nunes, holy cow, not a real cow but a twitter cow. let's switch the topic talking about the 2020 e llection, heres amy klobachar.

she came down against four-year college. >> let us look at our economic needs and match them with our education system. but, would i make free of the two-year degree. fastest areas of jobs. >> not giving it to everyone, is that your talking point? >> we are not going to have a shortage of ceos and mbas, we are going to have a shortage of diplomas. >> midwin, we talked about woman candidates who are not popping in the way that male candidates are. that moderate lane no difference than pete buttigieg or biden. why do you think she's not popping more. >> you know it is difficult that it is very interesting. when i listen to her speech and i listen to her questions.

i think it is interesting. i don't know if proposing something that pertains to one or two year degrees is persuasive. it stuns some one to growth. what if we do want more ceos and doctors? why just focus the ones you hear. i think amy has not rise above because i don't know her message is something that's resonating with a lot of people. >> what are we looking forward of next week's hearings? >> i am a law professional, i am looking for the laws pchlt wh. this is historic and it is really important. >> can't wait to see that report that's coming out of schiff committee. >> dana and midwin, we'll be

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have all been waiting for, "who won the week?" and back with me midwin charles and tiffany cross. who won the week? >> all right. are you ready? >> yes. >> my who won the week was barry. and not obama, but berry gordy who turned 90 years old this week and to honor them they named an intersection for him in california this week. so his soundtrack of christmas is the soundtrack of my holidays. >> we play that motown soundtrack. ♪ merry christmas to all of you ♪ >> yes. and it is not the same until you

have heard" is lent nigh "silene te temptations. >> and you are coming hard. ♪ this christmas >> and so who won the week, midwin? >> who won the week for me is actor billy dee williams as coming out as gender fluid. billy dee williams is a man of a certain age and so i found it to be very bold, and i think that a huge thing for him to do particularly at this age. a lot of people know him from "star wars" but i remember him from back in the day in "mow hogho "mowhogony" with diana ross. >> yes. and i knew him as being fine, fine, fine. >> yes, he was denzel washington

of that age. >> that is right. >> and so he sort of exuded this masculinity and so for him to come out as gender fluid is a brave thing, and particularly given his age and what he stood for in the black community where he had this symbol. >> yes, and he is in the new "star wars" and he is back. okay. we love billy dee. >> those are excellent choices and there are only two of you, but mine involves the sound bitbite and let's play it still. >> and she is not running, but why does she have a job in the first place? this is someone who said that white supremacy is a hoax and why does fox allow him to be there. >> and the opinion is showing that obama may get into the race, and do you think it is going to happen or not? >> i don't think it is going to happen, but the core question is that he should not be on here at all. >> and again, i did not bring you on here to talk about tucker

carlson, but the field. and i did not bring you on here to bash the network, and so let's keep it on the topic. >> and well, the tucker carlson -- >> it is not relevant to the conversation that we are having, so save it for later. >> and surprise. joining us right from seattle the dnc vice chair, and this is black being tribute day here, and brother, that was something else. that was an amazing hit. is this your plan going into that bill hemmer interview? >> well, once i knew they wanted to talk about tucker, i figured that we can't dance around this any longer, and joy, as i say, in the words of fat joe, i'm from the bronx, new york, and things happen. i speak the truth. and to be out here. and i have a lot of christmas songs, tiffany and midwin, but we can't keep playing games, and he said that white supremacy is a hoax, and he said that

immigration is an invasion and he was routing russia, and no, he should be routing for the community, and so it is time to call out this nonsense and i was not going save for it later, and like bill hemmer said, but it is running for congress in the bronx and i represent the most diverse county in the country and how could i be a leader and not speak up for that. >> and so you are running for congress and my godmother is from the bronx and so she is watching the show so maybe you have one jamaican lady with you at this point now. and so thank you for being here and we appreciate you for joining us for first live "who won the week" and you won the week. good luck with the campaign. and midwin charles and tiffany cross and michael blake. more "a.m. joy" after the break. .

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that is our show for today. thank you for watching. "a.m. joy" is going to be back next saturday, and we will have the latest and the packed show, alex witt. >> yes, except for following you, and we will see you back here next week from new york. >> welcome, everyone to "weekends with alex witt."

dramatic developments in the impeachment inquiry and the hearings ahead and what they could mean for the president. >> i have made it clear that this is impeachable conduct. >> have they allowed the president to call his own witnesses? no. >> i believe that all evidence is going to be certainly included in that report. >> hear from more members of congress as impeachment enters the next phase. also, 20/20 chaos theory, the outcome of the primaries and the caucus that could shake up the presidential race hard. a travel nightmare as millions return home from the holiday and the latest on the newest round of storms hitting the east and the west. we start with day 69 of the impeachment inquiry, and the president is facing two deadlines if he determines to mount a defense in the next phase of the impeachment investigation, and that is deadline of six short hours away to decide whether thede