that's a wrap for me this hour on msnbc live. now it is time for "up with david gura." welcome, the white house telling the committee it still has no plans to participate in impeachment hearings, instead, it is going on the attack. i sit down with one of the lawmakers drafting articles of impeachment, former law professor joins me up on the hill. the lawmaker tells me what will happen. half way around the world, the president's lawyer is in ukraine on behalf of his only client. the head scratcher over rudy giuliani seemingly misquoting the constitution. democrats and diversity with

kamala harris out. calling cory booker well spoken and hjulian castro says they ned a better plan for 2024. a former prosecutor who worked in the southern and eastern district in new york, also msnbc legal analyst. my colleague, national political reporter for nbc news, chris is a senior fellow and was a senior aid to president obama. editor and reporter for buzz feed news and the host of the podcast, impeachment today. the president and ceo of national constitutional center and at the george washington school of law. nancy pelosi has announced the house is moving forward what impeachment. the house will hold its second

hearing for lawyers and lawmakers. telling the chair president trump does not plan to participate in that hearing. their focus is now on the republican lead senate. in a letter calling this, quote, adopting the articles of impeachment would be rememberingless abuse of power." i'll start with you. you saw that letter. what should we make of it, the tone, the tack? this next hearing, what comes next? >> not exactly the language of the federalist papers. they have not entirely closed the door but they are sending missiles across pennsylvania avenue at the capitol. they are trying do everything they can do delegitimize this

process. no reason they can before the senate trial at 134 point they might be required to participate in the process. that's a part of the process the wout feels like it is likely to win. don't hold your breath. >> is this a mistake, not engaging at this point? moving on to this stage. there in, moving to the capitol hill. >> where in for the last couple of months is process, process, process. every time you are given a chance to participate. republicans decide to take their chances, play defense on fox news and then as john said try to play this out in the senate. they understand, they have their bets. the truth of the mart is if any of these witnesses could exonerate the president, they have been put out there. they put out the transcript of

the july 25th call. he put out that april call as well. if they had good evidence, they put it out here. this suggests, they just don't have any good evidence. >> likely to amount this to the regular trial. what do you read into the fact that they are not doing? it is a political play but is it a legally responsible thing not to do this? >> if they have the evidence, why waste it on a forum controlled by the democrats. why not save our best evidence and put it forward in the next stage which will be a more friendly forum controlled by republicans. it does seem likely unlikely if there is some sort of groundbreaking witness that can fully clear all of this up, we haven't heard from this person yet. this is a break from past precedent. you saw in the nixon case and clinton case, lawyers

participated in the preceding. it is not expected, it is a break from the past. >> let me turn to jeffery who knows it well. in the few times we've been through this in the country, we have seen the man being impeached put forward at this point. what do you make of the fact that it is not happening here? >> it is striking. the clinton impeachment, we had the top lawyers in the country arguing for clin cton on the pas and the law. they said perjury was not high enough charge for impeachment and on the other side, they said he didn't lie. saying you have to have a formal crime of pribribery. nothing along those lines from the president's lawyers. no hint of exactly what their strategy is going to be. as you were discussing, we may see that in the senate trial but

striking they are not even bothering to put on the blind faith now. >> seeing the detail of this. a lot of republicans think great, we are moving into the republican controlled senate. we are liberated. it will be a different scene there. the thrust in politico was, republican senators saying let's put on the brakes here. this is not turning into a circus. >> we don't know what the rules are going to be for the trial yet. the senate minority leader will come together. during the clinton impeachment trial, those rules passed unanimously. i don't know if that will be the case here. while the chief justice will be presiding over the trial, he'll follow the rules that the senate sets. 51 senators can rule on a case of rule in the senate, so you have to make sure that not only

does he have to keep all of his people kogt, he has to make sure he doesn't loose anybody. people like mitt romney and collins, et cetera. they'll keep the guard rails up as much as possible and force the whistleblower. they'll be the votes against that that will keep those sort of witnesses from being called in the senate. >> where is the majority leader in all of this. before thanksgiving break, he was in kentucky. talking about how to let the house do its thing, wasn't really allowing much. any movement on that since? what he sees happening, when he sees it happening and what he determines about this? >> for a lot of players, this doesn't make sense to preview what he's going to do. there is more news that comes out every day.

rudy giuliani has more news every day. this is a white house that came up with a reason for freezing the budget for ukraine in september after it was clear the whistleblower had blown the whistle. you now have rudy giuliani now in ukraine. somebody essentially a part of the investigation in ukraine right now potentially creating more news as they try to come up with a justification of what he did before. there is also seemingly some tension in their own caucus about whether to do this quickly and to get some joe biden competitors out in iowa fast or let joe biden have iowa to himself. >> rudy giuliani right back at the scene of the alleged crime in ukraine. days after we learn the house intelligence report how connected giuliani was at multiple times during the scandal. the report released phone records showing he had a flry of

back and forth phone calls and text messages in the white house situation room and the entity named only as dash one on multiple days. as giuliani was trying to persuade the ukraine president to commit to publicly investigating the bidens. your reaction to this? this was buried at the back of the report. there is a lot we don't know about who initiated the calls and who the individuals were. how fertile ground is this for investigators going forward. adam schiff saying he passed on his investigation. >> phone records are investigators absolute treasure box. this is where we get some of the best evidence. even if you don't have the content, knowing i call took place at a certain time. it gives you a way to spark conversation with your witnesses and take something back. explain what happened on this

day. it gives you the next step in your investigation. what additional witnesses should you talk to and warrants should you consider serving. going right back to the scene of the crime here. he doesn't know the scope of the investigation at this point. he doesn't know what other evidence they have. he doesn't know if they are currently surveilling him. it is a dangerous game to pushup against and is really questionable why he would go right back into that mess. >> it is not my inclination in a dangerous game to sit down for documentation. it seems that's what rudy giuliani is doing. the distraction here and tweeting about it and the article that came out in politico. >> it is bra zen. it shows that this is a white house that doesn't have a concern. one of their star witnesses out

trying to find clues. i spent four years in the white house. it is important to understand. omd has a specific function. it is an internal management function. the idea that the president's personal lawyer would intervene in that is unprecedented. until all of this information came out, no one had any idea they had access to these phone records which makes you wonder what else is out there. not only with regard to giuliani and other financial records. >> a conversation with rudy giuliani and kept trying to press on whether or not he was in ukraine. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> i can't really describe it. i can't even confirm it. all i can tell you is that i am doing today, all day and all night maybe, what i've been

doing for a year and a half. i'm representing my client, as a lawyer. i am -- first, i had to prove that he wasn't involved in russian collusion. i obtained all of this information including information on joe biden over a year ago. >> probably lying that he's in ukraine. i'll give you the last word here. you mentioned in the past, you had all the best lawyers in the country mounting defense and talking impeachment. here we have the president and rudy giuliani, talk about that. the situation with presidents not having a very probust defense team, so it seems. >> not only, rudy giuliani is tweeting about the constitution from the ukraine and misquoting. definitely not the quality of lawyers that president clinton had and the quality of the defenders in the senate. you remember the closing

argument from arkansas. hear the presumption seems to be the president will be acquitted regardless of the defense there for we don't have to take the charges seriously and it is more tactful questions whether it is advantageous to go fast or slow. the trial and the fact that the chief justice is presiding and there will be movements to call witnesses it will require more serious defense than the president is putting on right now. that's why it will be constituti constitutional drama of the highest kind. >> the state of the union, ambassadorships and the like. jeffery, always good to talk to you. thank you for joining us. coming up, it is reminiscent of what the president called silly

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we all know you've been messing around in ukraine. you on the other hand sent your son over there the last time. you had no experience to that. >> you are a damn liar. that's not true. no one has said that. you want to check my shape on it, let's do pushups and do whatever you want to do. >> i didn't say you were doing anything wrong. you said i set up my son to work in an oil company. get your words straight, jack.

>> that was from joe biden and a self-proclaimed elizabeth warren supporter. two others getting more intense by the day. >> by the way, there will now be, this 2020 election will have more billionaires than black people. >> cory booker endorsed me a couple of times and i endorsed him. he's very well spoken and has good ideas. >> we are studying times where we are revisiting these tire tropes or the language that folks don't understand. >> bloomberg apologizes and shouldn't have used the word that cory booker is a friend of mine. the word is a tired trope.

>> i am struck with that and joe biden 2007 when he referred to then senator obama to be the first african-american. >> first mainstream african-american who is articulate and well spoken. >> people out there running for president don't understand why it is so problematic to make the case basically that this person is an exception to a general rule about those kinds of people. i know that's probably not what bloomberg meant but that's the way it hits the ear. he's really well spoken. he's a senator, is he supposed to be anything but well spoken at this point?

>> yesterday, a cbs this morning interview followed by cory booker and bringing it up again. what has michael bloomberg learned from what happened? >> i think michael bloomberg has some issues on this already. not that he has a great relationship with communities of color to begin with. it plays into that narrative. that makes it more difficult when we see the candidates that have those issues to begin with. may buttigieg starting as a whole. he has to find ways to connect with the communities of color. it hasn't hurt biden over time. biden has probably said worse things on that measure than any of the candidates over a much longer period of time and actually supported policies that

are harmful to communities of color over a longer period of time or at least perceived that way and has shared the quote a few minutes ago. i think a lot of these candidates would have to update their rhetoric, if not their policies if they want to do a better job. it is one of the reasons, you haven't seen anybody get the majority support from the latin american or latino community so far. >> saying we are kind of a understanded to what happened with joe biden. it has been the story that has been running as well. why is there a double standard here. >> the clip you shows of joe biden, i love that clip. somebody who worked with joe biden with obama, we saw his passion. he says goofy stuff now and then. the fact that he called obama clean and articulate didn't stop

obama from picking him. it only matters when you lose. when you win, these things get brushed off. everyone has put out their policymakers. people are jockeying right now. people are trying to find the little advantages. they become day-long stories and we forget them the next day. yes, barack obama did pick him as his running mate. it is something that lives on as it becomes a sense of. i think in this instance, yes, obama did choose joe biden to be his running mate because of the advantage he brought. there is one reason this stuff hasn't come back to bite joe biden. the fact that he did eventually become obama's vice president. black voters are extremely

pragmatic as to who they are going to vote for. right now, it seems like if joe biden is the one to beat trump, that's who they will support. i think black voters will come around to whoever the candidate is. he has a good team around him and will put out good policies. when you have these issues of race and you have a candidate unable to speak in a way we are talking about it now. not just the fact of issues in the past. if you can't address the issues of race in 2019, you'll have a really hard time connecting with people in 2020. >> back to you, being a different joe biden. familiar to him but maybe not to a lot of people. what do you make about his defensive posture and response to that question. what is your response to that messaging on that and how good an answer he wants to that. >> this is one of the fall out.

the idea that biden, ukraine is really center stage. not really in all the hearings but in the media. he's going to have to have some sort of acceptable answer, not only for impeachment proceedings. assuming we can get to a place we can put a size was there or was there not official corruption. even if you push that aside, that message was repeated ever day in these hearings. he will have to have some sort of sustain security, compelling evidence to that. >> thank you. up next, a 16-year-old boy from guatemala dies in u.s. custody. ♪oh there's no place like home for the holidays.♪

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nurse practicer asked him to be checked on and warned if he worsened, he should be taken to hospital. if you look at that video, he was never checked on. he's on a cement bench and on the floor stumbles to the bathroom and collapses. his cellmate finds him unconscious. he died by the time officials arrived. his death has renewed outrage over the policy towards migrants and the lack of basic resources. issued a statement that, quote, the employees are saddened with the loss. john sanders the acting commissioner resigned from his post shortly after carlos' death saying, quote, i really think the american government failed

these people. i was part of that system and carlos' death will follow me the rest of my life. i want you to react to this. six migrants have died in the course of this policy. what is your reaction to it? more than a year after this policy was put in place, the department is in huge disarray. >> right. having good government and good people in government matters. this is an administration and president from day one who derided federal employees as the deep state. the vast majority of federal government is done by people trying their best. when you deal with homeland security on the fourth or fifth secretary, there is no confirmed leadership at the top of this place. they are not given the resources. public attention ebbs and flows. there is a crisis happening in these shelters right now. it is not getting enough

attention. last week, there was a report issued that said basically the trump administration separated these families knowing full well he had no plan to reunite families. we hear about these when there are these tragic circumstances but this is a crisis. this administration isn't focusing on how to fix it. >> i want to ask you about the transparency or lack thereof. the question about carlos' death and whether agencies or individuals could have done more about it have not been aired. the state of child deaths have not had access to the cell video. they fought for it in the state of texas. they have it now, the head of the homeland security in the house will be looking at this. the lack of transparency, the department bureau could say they've done all they could. they checked in on him and that

wasn't the case. >> the lack of accountability here is just startling. there has to be some sort of meaningful investigation, whether that happens in congress or criminally. it should go without saying that if you have somebody in your custody and care, they are cared for. this is not a criminal. this is a child. the fact that this child was not given adequate medical care, i can't think of a better reason to start a full investigation. the fact that there was no tans parent si is shocking. it should lead to an investigation and systemic change. >> this is a moral stain. this policy has been for a long time now. how does this advance that or our understanding of that? >> i think that if i were the administration and i wanted to push off culpability of this. the best argument i would make is there is so many, the sheer

number, so we can't give the individual care. that defense shows with this crush of people that they have in detention for no other reason than that they are just trying to get to america. they are keeping people who are seeking asylum in these facilities and/or returning them to mexico where they are also in danger, that shows the policy itself is broken. there is no adequate defense to put up for how these situations can happen. you don't leave someone with a 103 degree fever alone and hope they'll be okay in the morning especially when they've been warned that they need to go to the hospital if their condition worsens. they claimed before they had checked up on him or looked through the window. you would have seen this person or child lying on the ground not moving for hours. if you were watching it on camera, which we don't know if they had access to live on tape or sitting and watching that in

some control room. there is no way these procedures can be defended as adequate. when you back up a step, it is because of the way the policy is being administered. limit immigration if you think that is the case should really be done. if you are going to have it in this peaiece meal, broken way. this is not working. >> talk about misplaced outrage over the course of the week, no clearer contrast to this after what we heard after the hearing back at the house. the outrage surrounding the mention of the president's son. help us with illuminating that as you see it. >> look, the hypocrisy is all over the place. we have people dying on the borders. the policies for both legal and undocumented. a poorly used pun in a

congressional hearing sparked the outrage. it is important to continue focusing on the facts. it is hard because in this daily swirling of trump-related news, incidents you focus on matter and sometimes with he miss them. >> thank you for being here. appreciate your time. i want to read a tweet from jew castro. a child died in u.s. government custody. we now know what we suspected then, cbp did not provide adequate care. he'll join us tomorrow on "up." ahead, my conversation with jamie raskin. he's drafting those articles of impeachment. stay with us.

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this is "up." on monday, the house will convene its second impeachment hearing and the white house has announced it will not participate in that. lawyers for the democrats and republicans from the house judiciary and intelligence committees. on the hill, i sat down with congressman jamie ras kin. he spent most of his career studying and teaching constitutional law. he is now drafting articles of impeachment. i asked him first what he can tell us about the timetable from here on out. >> gee, um, it is a moving target. you know, i think the upcoming week is the week for us to formally assimilate all of the evidence that comes out of several months of mettic luis investigation and it is

important to start spelling out in the articles of impeachment what the high crimes and misdemeanors of the president were. there are ways of organizing that. we want with to take real care and prudence in doing it. that will require debate and discussion. we are still hopeful that some of our republican colleagues can come over and to really take the evidence seriously. >> have the democrats made that case? do you feel confident they've made that case? >> there is no other case out there. the evidence is simply overwhelming. we've got that from the intelligence hearings public hearings and definitely from the closed door hearings. i thought chairman schiff and the intelligence committee did a great job to allow the witnesses to come forward and tell the story. with he saw career-long state department professionals and

decorated war heroes and people who devoted their lives to the defense of the american government and american values come forward to say this president was engaged in outrageous misconduct, unlike anything any president has done before. >> how much did the president participating in this process matter? what is lost if the president or his counsel doesn't come forward to test monday or tuesday next week? >> we welcome the participation of the president and we urge the participation of the president. it is a basic principal of justice and due process that everybody owes the sovereign his or her honest and truthful testimony. that's how we do justice in america. we don't torture people until they confess or they testify. come and tell us why it is a hoax or a fraud. tell us why dr. fiona hill is

lying and why the ambassador is lying and sondland is lying when he said there is clearly a quid pro quo and why these witnesses who swore under oath are lying. the only people are claiming this is a hoax and fraud are the people not participating and won't go under oath. the people who have gone under oath understand the integrity of the process and we are trying to get this right. >> last question here. goes to the house, goes to the senate. say he's acquitted, what happens next? for you, for your colleagues. what happens if that were to happen? >> we have to continue doing oversight on all of the damage inflicted. they appointed a fox to be in charge of every hen house in washington, d.c. we have a lot to work to do. we must defend the constitution. we must fulfill our oath of

office. we have got to defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic. we swore an oath to do that. that is for real. >> your answer to the president who seems to say, look, give me a fair trial and then this will be done with, that's not the case. targeting the president and his actions should happen after? >> this is a president who believes he's gotten away with everything his entire life. do you know there are more than 3,000 civil and criminal lawsuits involving president trump. there are lawsuits from painters, carpenters, plummers, subcontractors, contractors he never paid. it goes back to atlantic city and construction in new york. lawsuits from women he has allegedly sexually harassed and

assaulted. there are people who are dealing with the damage inflicted by donald trump decades ago and still dealing with it. we can't let him get away with this. this would be his ultimate swindle, his ultimate crime against the people of america. our constitution is too strong. our framers are too visionary. ultimately, the will of the people is too important to let the president get away with these crimes against our country. >> congressman jamie raskin, we'll talk more about the articles and discuss what happens if the presidesenate ac the president. kamala harris quits 2020 and what her decision does to change the race. - [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi pressure cooker,

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and diversity of the field who have run this cycle. now a look at the candidates that remain in the race. still a pretty large field. want to look to the december 19 democratic debate in los angeles. so far, only six candidates have qualified for that debate. there will be no person of color on that stage. this is what hjulian castro had to say. >> what they need do for dnc 2024, they have years to get this done. there on notice, for 2024, they need to go back and create a presidential primary system that reflects the diversity of this country and of this party. this. and they need to ensure that

whom ever the chair is at that time has pledged to do that. if the chair of the democratic party has not pledged to do that for 2024, that person should not be the chair of the democratic party. >> we'll talk about diversity and the democrats. michael blake is going to join us in. next hour. stick around for. that william castro is joining us tomorrow on "up" and michael singleton. christine quinn will be here as well. vice dhchair of the new york ste democratic party. also joyce vance from the university school of law and daniel moody-mills. co-host of the democracy-ish podcast. what she said when asked if she would back impeachment of president trum. she said he's just not worth it. she since change herd tune and calling for democrats to draft articles of impeachment against the president. a look at what comes next and what wl we can see a vote on

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drafting articles of impeachment against president trump. >> if we allow president to be above the law, we do so surely at the peril of our republic. . in america, no one is above the law. the facts are uncontested. the president abused his power for his own personal political benefit at the expense of our national security by withholding military aid and crucial oval office meeting in exchange for an announcement of an investigation into his political rival. our democracy is what is at stake. the president leaves us no choice but to act because he is trying to corrupt once again the election for his own benefit. sadly, but with confidence and humility, with allegiance to our founders and our heart full of love for america, today i am asking our chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment.

i'm really sorry the president made this necessary by his complete disregard for the vision of our founders, for his -- for what he is doing. article 2 says i can do whatever i want. completely contrary to what our founders had in mind. we don't take any glee in this at all. it's heartbreaking. but the president gave us no choice. so we're not going to say well we would honor our oath of office but -- but what? he's the whoun one who is divide country on this. we're honoring the constitution of the united states. is. >> are you concerned what the impeachment will have on your leg i >> no. it's a hoax. it's a big fat hoax. >> the president is a master at projecting. when you call somebody else nervous, he's the nervous one. when you suspect that somebody

is not praying, he's probably not praying. >> speaker pelosi has not indicated if there say deadline for them to write the articles of impeachment or when we can expect a vote in the house. but law makers that attended a caucus meeting late last week tell nbc news it is understood that house will vote before the christmas holiday recess with one congressman telling nbc news the democratic caucus is told they should not make plans for friday, december 20th and saturday, december 21st. a white house reporter for "los angeles times" joins us, katie fang, debbie barnes and with us from washington, she was in the room for that press conference, cheryl gay. she is a correspondent for "the new york times." cheryl, let me start with you. get a sense of what you witnessed in that room on chill this week. there was the prepared moments as we saw there and then there is what happened in that exchange with james rosen, the reporter for sinclair afterward. but what did you make of the performance we saw from the

house speaker during that press conference? >> i think that, you know, it was really classic nancy pelosi standing there before the cameras, by herself, articulating what she viewed as her constitutional duties. she invoked the founders. we heard her say that over and over again. this is a woman who was really not eager to come to this point. she says that publicly. people very close to her tell me that that is how she felt privately as well. she worried that impeachment would divide the country. that it would be too partisan, that it could jeopardize some of her vulnerable front line members. so i think the sobriety, the somberness, the gravity that we saw from nancy pelosi was all true and how she is and who she believes. but then we saw the other side of nancy pelosi. we saw nancy pelosi on fire. james rosen, a reporter for

"sinclair" broadcast group shouted at her as she was leaving the press conference. madam speaker, do you hate the president? and she spun around on those heels and she gave him a what for. she was pointing her finger at him. i don't hate anybody. i was raise aid catholic. we are filled with love. i pray for this president. and then she said don't mess with me when it come to words like that. and then she stormed off. i thought this was really, you know, the world got to see what a tough woman nancy pelosi is. and she -- when she means business, she means business. >> katie, the public performance there and then what i've been told, i sat down with a congressman and i'll play more of that in just a minute. but what i read in cheryl's piece and other reporting as well about the role she is playing behind the scenes here, how she is really governing this whole campaign. the this is very much a top down thing. >> yeah. you know, there was a lot of

criticism months ago when she wasn't onboard the impeachment train. people didn't understand why. and there was clearly a method to that madness. i mean, they talk about playing, like fifth dimensional chess at this point in time. that is where she's going. but it was a remarkable sign of humanity the way that she responded to james rosen and it's funny. before we started i was joking. you know shesh, she doesn't all sugar cereal at her table. i feel like we have the cookies today, naughty or nice and she is saying naughty. donald trump, naughty. all kidding aside, the reality is when you have that level of decorum and formality, when you have that level of decency and integrity missing from this administration, that's exactly the tone you need going into a senate impeachment trial. that is that from the top down concept. when you go in and you have rules and when you have that decorum that we were just talking about and procedure, you're going to have a guaranteed, i think, outcome of

relative success. i can't guarantee two-thirds majority vote for convention. but i think that it was an important role for her to play. as a woman, we have seen women, we've seen fiona hill, we've seen marie yovanovitch and women step up and stha is how ay this do it. >> i want to go back to that cut we played of speaker pelosi talking about the reaction to the comments she made. i'd love to get your speshgtive on. that there was the tweet from the president immediately following that exchange with james rosen. she is as we talked about before, so expert at honing in on targeting what really can get the president riled up. >> will with, i mean, i kind of place a little bit of the onus on the journalist who asked the question. since when is it appropriate to ask someone about the likability of the person serving in office? you know, speaker pelosi made very clear, she's not here to make friends. she's here to do her job. i think the american people

expect that from not only journalists but members on the hill and the senate and i think they expect that out of a president. but i do think she tows a hard line and i think that, you know, she was absolutely right in her reaction and people's reaction to it. i don't want to cry sexism but it is interesting that we're asking a female speaker of the house if she likes the president versus the facts. >> fair enough. and i'll you have respond to that as well. another remarkable moment during that town hall on cnn was when she was asked if this is -- how she hopes to be remembered in the context of this. she said she wants to be remembered for the other legislative achievements. this is not something she wants to be associated with her history in government. >> and cheryl and others reporteded how she did not want to come to this position of being forced to go down the roo road of impeachment. talks about the bills that they passed and waiting on the front

porch of the senate. she understands how the game is being played in the public arena. and she -- two points she made, one, the facts here are uncontested. so she is saying, look, we laid out a lot of facts. republicans, you know, on the house intelligence committee didn't even question the afacts. they just went off in a completely other direction. the other thing when she is responding to james rosen who she understands to be a conservative media troll who is trying to get her riled up and succeeded in doing that, but he's asking a question that is a top white house talking point. it is elemental to the president's dpeens in the impeachment situation and pretty much everything that comes up that he has to beat back. and that is oh, this is easily explained. it's just because people don't like me. it's not the result of policies that advance some nondemocratic leaders over democratic countries. it's no the fact that here there is evidence that he sought to use his office to guest a political favor from the president of ukraine.

it's always that people just don't like me. it's personal. if the president can succeed in it getting enough americans to view this as just a partisan matter, oh, it's only partisan, that's how he sort of inoculates had imself against further consequences because all the republicans in the senate will say oh, this is an unfair process. they're out to get him. they can point to some comment about some democratic lawmaker who said we want to impeach him early on and there were some of the comments. that's the sort of evidence that they will use to stand up this idea that, see, none of this is legitimate. it's just personal and partisan. that's all it is. you don't need to worry about it. >> cheryl, dove tail this with whatway wwe saw in the exchange of letters between pat and jerry nadler, the statements we saw from him after all of this. a lot of the language struck me as being very similar. i read chairman nadler's statement about how the white house is not going to participate here as eli talks about how the speaker sort of

figured wrought this is going and how this is going to play out. what's your sense of the degree to which she thought the white house wasn't going to play ball and participate as we move ahead? >> i think she had to know that white house wasn't going to play ball. the past is the best predictor of the future. this white house has not played ball at all with this congress with, this democratic-led congress. we've seen president trump refuse to turn over documents, refuse to turn over witnesses. that is going to lead to one, perhaps two articles of obstruction of justice. n. these coming impeachment articles. so i do not think that this was any surprise to nancy pelosi that the democrats -- that republicans and president trump were not going to play ball. but that said, the president has been saying this is an unfair process. that's been a key republican talking point, right? that this is a soef yet style impeachment inquiry, the president is not being given due process. how can he make that argument

now? he is not participating when they've offered to have him participate? i think that is not wayne-win for him. >> not a win-win for him. katie, i'm curious to get your perspective on that. the white house, this is stage they could have participated. they elected no the to. what do you make of not engaging? >> putting aside the distraction of the signature which very large, this whole sharpy epidemic going on. it's like crayon. pat, i see you. i know it came from you. very obvious. the letter doesn't actually say we're not going to do it. it just screams about process, right? and this has been their thing. eli notely said, they didn't revert against, they didn't push back against the facts. it is more like screaming and explaining about the fact there is no due process. the funny thing is those rules are the rules that they wanted. they being the republicans. it's like what is good for the good goos is good for the gander. of now we're going to have a negotiation between senator chuck schumer, right, and

majority leader mitch mcconnell about house keeping, we're in trial, we're in court. how many witnesses can we call? how long it is going to take? remember the clinton impeachment trial took five weeks. that's when they had a completely bipartisan vote in support of thou was going to go. so if they want to come to play, don't complain and be pet lent and take your ball and one run away from the playground. come and deliver. at least bring a lawyer to this proceeding. the fact that trump doesn't bring a lawyer doesn't mean that it vindicates him. it just means that he doesn't want to actually do anything. and pelosi said something which we say all the time in court. it is consciousness of guilt when you're doing this. it shows that you're not going to come because you no he when you come you're going to be found guilty. >> let me turn to our communications strategist here at the panel. you worked in the white house press shop. what do you make of this from that vanltage? not playing in the arena where the focus is going to be here over the next few weeks? at least until the end of the year? >> if you know your principle is guilty, of course you don't want to show up to the game. so i think the evidence speaks for itself.

i think the best defense is a strong offense, they say. and we just really haven't seen that with this administration. i've noted it before. with he can't really point to major policy shifts that this administration has been able to accomplish. so at the moment, we just kind of see them always being reactive to things. and they haven't given the american people to really anything else to really focus on. i do think it's spun out of control. and the folks who work for president trump are at the mercy of their principle and their principle does not want to face the music. >> very quickly, eli, pat sipiloni. two big onions i'm told. help us understand his role in all of this. somebody said this is not the federalist paper when you look at the two paragraphs. the role he is occupying and how out of step that is. >> well, it is in step with what

we've seen in this administration which is again you have a principal, everything comes down from the top. as the white house counsel, his job is to basically execute the wishes of the president. and as a lawyer, the president wants nothing to do with the legal argument. he wants to just ignore the evidence that was piled up in the house. and he wants to make a political argument. that's what that two paragraph letter, is repeating donald trump talking points. that's what the eight page statement that he put out last time was. it was all the political talking points. nothing on the legal merits of the case. that's what being the president's white house counsel amounts to. >> yeah. >> all right. thank you very much. appreciate the time on this saturday. i want to turn to breaking news out of iran this morning. a short time ago an american student detained for three years in that country was set free following a prisoner swap with that country. we are in tehran with details. get us up to speed here. this is a princeton phd student. he was detained for more than three years. i understand the swiss played a big role in negotiating this

exchange. >> that's right, david. it's one of those rare cases of cooperation between washington and tehran. although it is indirect cooperation and the lack of any relationships between the two countries. had this was brokered between back channels and they were able to reach a compromise and release the two prisoners. mr. wang is an american citizen, a princeton graduate student. he was arrested here in iran three years ago while researching the monarchy of previous monarchy in iran. he was arrested and chaernlged with charged of two counts of espionage. he was sentenced to ten years imprisonment. the u.s. repeatedly called detainment unjust. the iranians put out a video

showing mr. wang allegedly trying to smuggle documents out of iran. the state department had called that a forced video appearance. and they called it shameful. mr. wang has denied spying on behalf of the u.s. but it seems that over the past year the u.s. government had been talking with the swiss. it's been quite a while they have been working on it. and in it return for mr. wang, a man by the name of salamani, a research scientists arrested last year was released. they're both on swiss soil. the eiranian prisoner is on his way back to iran. mr. wang will be in germany for

medical tests and then head back to the u.s. >> thank you very much. appreciate the update. reading from the white house, a statement on this freeing americans held captive is importance of my administration. we continue to work hard to bring home all of our citizens wrongfully held captive overseas. the next dnc debate is approaching. as of right now, the stage is mono chromatic. how they're pushing the establishment for more diversity on the debate stage. later, the inquiry into president trump is ramping up. the house judiciary committee prepares to put together evidence and begin drafting articles of impeachment. second inat the same time of my conversation with jamie ras kin who sits on that committee is still to come. who sits on that committee is still to come. (man) we weave security into their business. (second man) virtualize their operations. (woman) and build ai customer experiences. (second woman) we also keep them ready for the next big opportunity. like 5g. almost all of the fortune 500 partner with us. (woman) when it comes to digital transformation...

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these qguys are in this rac and if they want to be rid of trump, if they really twoopt do something effect whiff that money burning a hole in their pocket, they would be spending $200 million to register voters million in the swing stateses, pennsylvania, arizona, wisconsin, hammering donald trump to a bloody flat greasy pulp p on the highway with ads. >> that was rick wilson on msnbc blasting mike bloomberg and tom stir for pouring millions of dollars into their bids for the democratic presidential nomination. at a time when the remaining group of top tier candidates sa is

all white. there is no candidates of color. cory booker is the only african-american left in the race. here's what bloomberg had to say in response to that. >> cory booker endorsed me a number of times and i endorsed cory booker a number of times. he is very well spoken. he has good ideas. >> he since apologized for that remark for calling him well spoken which some criticize as a racist troep on his intelligence. but beyond that, what does it say about the democratic party, a decade after president obama's white house run there is no minorities gaining traction with voters? joining me is the vice president chairman of dnc michael blake. let's start there if we could with the krit sichl that no doubt you're hearing that as you look at this debate stage, it is monday owe chromatic. does it not represent democrats as a whole. and, of course, this has to be a larger coalition, larger group of democrats to win the presidency. >> david, good to be with you. now let's make sure we focus on

the broader dynamic. how do we help people to come out and register and turn out on the ballot? when people are asking us about the debate, first and foremost, we have to be clear. senator harris who is a remarkable public servant and dear friend, she qualified for the debate stage before she made her decision as everyone knows december 12th is still the deadline for the other candidates to qualify. if we want to make sure we we have candidates of color on the stage, we have to support them. this is a broader dynamic in which it's hard for me to appreciate when people tell us with don't care about diversity. as the first black man elected to the dnc leadership since ron brown when seven of our ten officers are people of color, we've been very focused in making sure that our communities are represented.

and so this is an opportunity for us to say how do you help people? whether it is someone running for president, whether it is someone like myself running for congress. instead of us talking about polling tlesh hol polling thresholds, there are candidates of color. we have to address. that you can't continue to let that happen. >> you bring up senator harris and she did qualify. thank you for bringing that up. a complaint she had that campaign made is this is too long of a campaign process. with the kind of money that other candidates, have she couldn't wage it s that an indictment of the way the democrats laid out this preliminary campaign. that it's too long. it's too difficult for somebody who is not a billionaire like mike bloomberg or tom stier to participate in this campaign. too long, too protracted? >> i was in iowa in 2007 and 2008 for barack obama and he went on to win the nomination and presidency. the reality is you just have to all put in the work to be successful. you know, david, it's important that we explain to everyone that

candidates have from october 16th to december 12th to get the necessary polling tlesh holds they have to get f you're getting 800,000 grassroots donors from as kro the country, if it you're getting 4% in four states or 6% in two states, that's demonstrating support. if you look at 2007 and go back even to 2015, there is no candidate that has been below the thresholds that went on to win the nomination. so it's a fair process and we want to be clear about creating that fair process. but again this is a broader dynamic. when we're talking about race and diversity, we can't ignore the culture that we're in. so let's make sure you have someone on to talk about housing and senator booker on stage to talk about criminal justice reform and you have people on

stage talking about veterans opportunities. let's help our candidates of color. so support them and mobilize them but lastly, david, i have to say this. as someone who has endured continual attacks that i have from the notes and the e-mails that i received from people saying we don't care about the party to the very troubling dynamics of being called the n word repeatedly when someone is saying dwoent care, it's ridiculous. what we should be saying is how do we help our latinos and brother ands black communities, our caribbean communities? that's is the reason why people are upset. but that's how we are are we're changing the game f you want to support the candidates go, to their web sites. you want to support us going for congress, all of us need that help. we're tired of people saying the democratic party doesn't care. we care. it's the republicans who don't. >> i want you to react to that. there is the give and support the candidates. there is time yet. there could be more candidates on this debate stage. how do you react to that? >> so one, i want to say that, yes, the extended primary

process depleats a lot of former front runners resources. and, yes, senator harris got out before a single ballot was cast. and although she qualified for the debate, i think it's important to focus not just on the racial diversity as inspect of it. does your platform resonate can communities of color, if they do not, do the other candidates resonate with candidates of color? because the african-american electorate does not vote primarily in the same primaries, in the same block, it's important to note that there are other candidates on stage that if you look generationally, african-americans are voting for other candidates who do not share their racial background. so i think it is also important if you are a candidate of color,

yes, having the financial means to run is important. but i think you go out swinging. you know, i don't think you take your foot off your opponent's neck until you have to go for broke in this case. i'm asking is the ground game strong? you know, operationally, can they function? if you are to lead the rest of this country, you know, it's not just a resume situation. it's can you actually get your campaign to operate and function in a way that is conducive? >> i'll turn you to lastly on that point. again, he was do the post mortem on the kamala harris campaign, there is a change over in leadership and all. that central to the campaign is winning california and the new california, her home state. the allocation of delegates was going to be crucial to her having any mobility beyond that. worked for the "l.a. times," you're from california. explain what she was gaining there and what it means for the

other candidates. >> i think initially california moving up to march 3rd and basically having early voting start the same day as the iowa caucuses sprent caucuses present a huge opportunity for kamala harris if she can win her home state to be in the game early on and in a huge way. there is 500 delegates available in california. i think part of the reason she decided now to get out is because that deadline is coming to get your name off the ballot. when you know you're not doing well and the home state senator, you need to think about the next game and not just put everythin one. california is a tricky state. just because mike bloomberg has the money to get himself on the airwaves in the media markets, l.a. and san francisco, doesn't mean he's going to win the state. i think now, especially with everything condensed and that early voting starts in california the same day as the iowa caucuses, the strategy, if you want to win california because such a nationalized primary anyway, win iowa.

win new hampshire, win as these votes are being tabulated, create that sense of momentum. but that can be problematic too. what are iowa and new hampshire? they're predominantly white states sitting at the top of the calendar. you have a process here that, you know, the dnc laid out where it is highly dependent on small donors. but the democratic base is bigger than the donor class. that can go to act blue and click yes $25 over and over and over again. there are more voters out there. i'm thinking that castro seemed to have a platform that resonated with communities of color. but he hasn't got any media attention. he's no the in the poll. >> castro will be here tomorrow on this show. my thanks to michael blake. appreciate the time. hope to see new new york some day soon. coming up next, several hundred lawmakers say that president

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intelligence committee gathered and history. critics say they were too partisan, too removed from the fact finding hearings that preceded them. a harvard professor joins us. a call for more engagement with impeachment that something the founders fought over. impeachment, he writes, is not just for specialists, it can't be. as part of any of the constitution, the impeachment clause puts the fate of the republic squarely in our hands. he joins us now. let me start if i could with the issue of participation. we got this letter last night from the white house counsel saying the white house doesn't intend to participate and one of the criticisms is this is too partisan. something you point out in your very fine book. if you look at history at the few times this happened before, impeachment has always been overwhelmingly partisan. >> it's true. partisan judgements play a large role in whether a president is impeachable. still, no white house under our constitution has the authority

really, the legal authority just to say forget about it. we're not going to participate in any way. you can assert executive privilege. but to say the whole process is a sham and forget about it, that is legally irresponsible. >> early on in this book you advance a couple of tests. actually for whether or not a president should be impeached. if can you remove yourself from either of the judgements, should the president be impeached on his or her behaviors? all well and good. but at this moment in time, how difficult is that? you see how polarized the country is. does that put impeachment in a different light? >> i think. so there is a difference between what people will say publicly and what they're actually saying behind closed doors. or inside their own minds. so there are many people who think that president trump is a great president and doing excellent thing who's are not at all comfortable with the fact that he appears to have enlisted

a foreign government to engage in a criminal investigation of his opponent. so behind closed doors, they're saying that is not acceptable and that might be a high crime and misdemeepor. so a real question is whether what is being said publicly by republican officials will shift in the direction of what they're thinking privately in their own minds? >> how much plas 'tis ti is there to determine impeachable conduct? >> what does it tell us about what is grounds for impeachment? >> it tells us almost everything. so one things that been kind of going awry in the last months has been the suggestion that the constitution is like a blank check. it isn't. it's like the word motor vehicle, crimes and demeanors. with you know what a motorcycle

is, a bicycle isn't. a toyota is. a high crime and misdemeanor is an egregious abuse of authority. and the list of what counted as that in the founding period was sufficiently clear that we know if the president tried to conduct corruption in another country that is not high crime and misdemeanor, if you choose go after climate change that, is not a high crime and misdemeanor. if you ask them to investigate an opponent, a political opponent because of that person is a political opponent, sure, that's a high crime and misdemeanor, no doubt about it. >> as you sift through the transcripts of the closed door depositions, as you listen to what was said in open session, what is your sense of what the articles might center on? if the democrats are looking for a best case for impeachment here, where is that most likely? >> there are two that would be very hard to argue against on the merits. the first is that the ukrainian, let's say the sorted interactions with the ukrainian

government were high crime and misdemeanor in the sense that they were an effort to enlist that government in the 2020 presidential election. that would be very strong one. and the label would be something like gross abuse of authority. the second is obstruction of congress or obstruct of conduct with respect to congress not in the effort to assert executive privilege, no even in the effort to assert absolute immunity. both of those are ballpark legitimate. but in the complete categorical refusal to participate in any way in responding to what the constitution does give the house of representatives authority to do. so those two, they're really clean and clear, obstruction of congress, gross abuse of authority, use of taxpayer money, presidential authority to get a foreign government to go after political opponent, those are foremidable articles that really hard to counteract in substance. >> the newest edition of your

book wendz your comments on robert mueller's report. i just wonder what your sense sf the appetite for engaging with what was in there, what he didn't do and how that sets the table for where we are at this point. the is it something with which you think these lawmakers should engage, what he put into that two volume report? >> well, what he put in the second volume is easily read as concluding there is obstruction of justice here. for technical reasons, i'm not going to say that because the president can't defend himself. it is not out of bounds for congress just on the law to say the second volume of the report suggests obstruction of justice with respect to the russia inquiry. that argument is legitimate. it is not easy to respond to that one either. it is more complicated and less of a slam dunk than the one involving the ukraine interactions and the obstruction of congress in connection with

the inquiry into the ukrainian interactions. >> let me ask you lastly here. you paint a picture of this vital debate that happened in the 18th century surrounding impeachment. we know it now as this one clause in article two. why hasn't it had that life of hustry around our republic. why was it so hotly fight over and reerz the head over the course of our history when a president is impeached but not something we regard as so essential or something we talk about or debate to the degree to which the founders might have thought we would? >> because the system works. there is separation of powers. it is basically worked. so our nation hasn't had to encounter very often impeachment. they said that value of the sort of clause is it hangs and not falls. the impeachment clause is that. it is a shadow of every president i worked in the white house. i saw it in real time. it deters a president from even

going in the direction of high crimes and misdemeanors let alone committing one. that's why we don't talk about it very much. >> on the sort of impeachment joining us from massachusetts. thank you very much for the time. i appreciate it. k you very much time i appreciate it. thank you. >> coming up here, president trump and leaders from some of the u.s.'s closest allies look more like friends these days. how president trump's image on the world stage may have evolved over the course of this week. had over the course of this week sleep this amazing? that's a zzzquil pure zzzs sleep. our liquid has a unique botanical blend, while an optimal melatonin level means no next-day grogginess. zzzquil pure zzzs. naturally superior sleep. (kickstart my heart by motley crue)) (truck honks) (wheels screeching)

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there would be. >> you know, i'm less interested in the exact number than i am in the kprecomprehensiveness of th story. i want us to tell a comprehensive narrative about the president's high crimes and misdemeanors. and i want us to be very precise and focused in our identification of the high crimes and misdemeanors. i think that all of the surrounding conduct in the events and the actions need to be in there. >> how much breadth? i know there is this debate. do you go back to the mueller report? do you focus oen this phone call? if those are the two extremes, where do you fall in how inclusive or how broad the article should be? >> this goes to the question of obstruction of justice. i think obstruction of justice has been part of modern presidential impeachments both nixon and clinton for an important reason. all criminals try to get away

with their crime by covering up the evidence. and that happened with richard nixon. it was alleged to have happened with bill clinton. and so it was charged in both of those cases. it's happening again with donald trump. in fact, it continues to happen to this day. he has tried to organize a complete blockade of witnesses. fortunately, we've had around a dozen patriotic faithful public servants who have come forward against the threats of the white house to testify. every other president cooperated in the impeachment process. richard nixon cooperated. will bill clinton gave blood as part of the impeachment process. so every other president understood when congress speaks in the oversight -- in the oversight capacity, that's got to be the law. you got to accept that. >> the harvard law professor talks about a pattern of behavior. important to establish that. >> absolutely. it's all about a pattern of

behavior. here the evidence of a pattern of behavior comes screaming off of the page. we know it because the president has declared not only that his conduct is unimpeachable but that it's perfect. so he is saying he'll do it again. and in this election, in fact, when, you know, he went to conduct the ukraine shakedown, right after mueller testified about the russian attack on our election, obviously the president felt a sense of immunity and impunity. sow went to conduct this ukraine caper, but then in the meantime, he said i think china should investigate the bidens too. i mean, i hope people can remember how extraordinary that is to have a president of the united states demanding that foreign governments investigate his political rival. inviting them in to our politics. >> at the end of her press conference this week, speaker pelosi drew a distinction

between what this process is for and what the election is for. >> i think the sprpresident is coward when it comes to helping our kids who are afraid of gun violence. i think he is cruel when he doesn't deal with helping our dreamers of which we're very proud of. i think he's in denial about the -- about the climate crisis. however, that's about the election. this is about the election. take it up in the election. this is about the constitution of the united states and the facts that lead to the president's violation of his oath of office. >> let me ask you about the politics of this. st throughout all of this she said we're being prayerful and a moral obligation to make the right decision here and, yet, politics is a part of that and you know that. the. >> yes. >> how much do you think about that? how much are your colleagues thinking about that as they look ahead to 2020? >> that's a great question. let me tell you what i think is legal about the process and what is political about it. what is legal is the standard. high crimes and misdemeanors

which are those akin to treason and bribery. treason is a bee trafl ttrayal national security. bribery is bee tratrayal of the public interest. they're attacks against democracy like corrupting the election. betraying the president's trust to foreign governments. placing the president's private interests above the public interests. all of those things are offenses against democracy. we found that in that hearing. that's a legal standard. and we have to think like lawyers and judges and on the house side we have to think like prosecutors. because we're in the role of prosecutors when it gets over to the senate. that's where the trial is conducted. but there say political part to it too. here's where the political part is. the framers of the constitution debated whether or not impeachment should be conducted across the street in the supreme court and by jundges or with th political representatives the people. they decided it was too

important to be with the judiciary. it had to be with the political representatives of the people. so we who are fighting for prescription drug reform and fighting for the equality act and fighting for greater gun safety and so on, we have to put impeachment into the context of all these other things. we have to continue to make progress on these things despite the obstruction that we're getting from the u.s. senate. at the same time, that we're investigating the interests of public integrity. >> the professor, the congressman jamie raskin joining me in washington. i appreciate his time. up next, president trump is in a feud with some of the leaders of the u.s.'s closest allies despite the appearance at the nato summit this week tachlt a look at how the u.s.'s status on the global stage looks after this week's events. s after this week's events

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making him a laughing stock to the entire world. take a look. >> this is first time world leaders have mocked what president trump has said or done. leaders have scoffed at president trump. what was his response to that video? >> what did you see on that video last night. >> well, he's two faced. and honestly with trudeau, he's a nice guy but the truth is that i called him out on the fact that he's not paying 2% and i guess he's not very happy about it. >> president trump now back in the u.s. the video has been view more than 5 million times. it is now part of a campaign ad for former vice president joe

biden. i love the response he gave. >> but in typical tramp fashion he can't commit to that terse response. two faced but i like him. the #there's always a tweet from donald trump. there's always a tweet that's going to come back to bite him and that's exactly what happened with that, but this is not a new phenomenon for us. this entire administration has been completely spotted with embarrassing moments and humility moments for did, but what is all kidding aside very challenging for us as americans we still have to maintain our place in the world stage and when you have somebody that what, the fish rot from the head down, but if you have somebody who's up there who's supposed to be representing us on the world stage and he's that humiliating and embarrassing we need somebody to take over this job. >> your colleague had a great line. this is a president who views norms like a teenager views curfews. >> well, he likes going to these

things and blowing them up and being the center of attention. >> why did it happen this time in way it usually does? >> it's been ten years of him going to the summits. what trudeau is talking about he holds a 40 minute press conferen conferen conference off the top of what's supposed to be a bilateral meeting. it leaves no time for an actual meating because the only time the president is engaged is when the cameras are in the room. your phone is dead by floon because he's talking so much you're typing and typing and so you can understand the frustration of the world leaders and what trudeau was saying is something that all those guys he was talking to could identify with, but when you say macron saying no, let's stick to facts, correcting him to his face, it tells you that after three years, it's not just frustration with how trump is or with his antics it's the fact that this guy stands in the way of a lot

of transatlantic cooperation and strengthening these alliances. macron has tried to piece back together the iran deal. he tried to get trump on board. he kept trump on the rails in august in france when he was hosting the g7 but trump hasn't moved. there's no progress there. there's frustration and it's starting to come out because all these leaders have tried a number of things. they've tried to placate him with flattery, hasn't worked. they've tried to let him take credit for things, hasn't worked and so you can understand their frustration when they hold these meetings and nothing really happens because for president trump it's just a photo op. >> we are out of time unfortunately. my thanks to the panel here. coming up next hour from not worth it to no choice. over the past year we have seen a complete about face by house speaker nancy pelosi when it comes to impeachment. what to expect now that she's been called for articles of

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[ dramatic music ]ing ] ahhhh! -ahhhh! elliott. you came back! that does it for me today. thank you very much for watching. "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. >> the facts are uncontested. the president abused his power for his own personal political benefit at the expense of our national security by with holding military aid and crucial oval office meating in exchange

for announcement of an investigation into his split corral rival. sadly, but with confidence and humility, with allegiance to our founders and our hearts full of love for america, today i am asking our chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." well, and with that, the democrat who is perhaps the most reluctant on impeachment, speaker of the house formally amounsed the house will draft impeachment charges against donald trump. that's a weird thing in a country that can't quite bring itself to put a woman in the white house or even apparently to imagine it with trump in office, but the most powerful opponent donald trump has in this country and the biggest threat to his future is a woman. and the speaker has made it clear that she is fully in charge and that impeachment is about crimes, not feelings. it's about