that we're talking about. >> after more than 14 hours of debate on the articles of impeachment against the president, the house judiciary committee abruptly adjourned late last night holding off the history-making vote until this morning. that was chairman jerry nadler appearing to catch in of his fellow lawmakers off guard when he made that announcement shortly before midnight. the committee will return at 10:00 a.m. this morning to continue the markup of the impeachment articles before sending them to the house floor next week. >> did he have a flight to catch? what was going on there? >> that's strauss, that's nadler. what did very do? >> on the one hand, yeah, let's get some sleep and let's, you know, let's sleep on this. on the other hand, dude, we've been here 14 hours, can we just vote and go home? >> speaking, though, of that, i want to be katty kay for a

second. >> she's here. >> but mika had a horrible night last night. i was sitting in front of my tv set like a 5-year-old. >> he loves it. >> we are reviewing -- puffington -- >> katty, the bbc really needs you. it's a little slow. oh my god. >> it appears -- >> they took this history making story and just -- i don't know, killed it. >> i was watching and i don't know what's wrong with me, it litter -- it was like the greatest thing ever. >> no. >> i turned to the bbc and i just sat mika's like what are you doing? >> it's like the first tv that ever existed. >> well, let's go right now to -- it was wonderful. >> you know what difficult position you're putting me in right now? how awkward are you making my morning. >> let's talk about this.

>> okay. >> it's first of all history, nothing like this since '87. the worst dominice drubing sinc you couldn't help but watch those returns come in, especially in the labor north, the red wall, red over there of course labor, that red wall in the midlands up north. a party that darted way too far left and going conservative for the first time, well, in manchester the first time ever. and a lot of seats first time since world war i. it was -- it's like you wore looking at, you know, where steel mills used to be in pennsylvania. >> so, look, colossal defeat for the labor party. some lessons to be learned here but some that are particular to that election in the uk. jeremy corbyn moouhugely unpopu.

he had likability ratings of minus 44. i don't know how that's possible. doorstep after doorstep are hearing we cannot elect this party with jeremy corbyn we just don't like him. the anti-semitism charges that he never really managed to dispel didn't help him at all. brexit overshadowed this election and made it unique, made it different. so when we start to look at parallels between what happened in the uk and what might happen in the democratic party here in the u.s., it is worth putting this in the context of brexit. the people who voted all their lives for labor and switched last night to the conservative party, many of them did so because of the conservative party's position on the european union and because they wanted to get out of the european union and they voted to leave the european union. that's that isn't a factor here. but there's something in politics in the uk and u.s. and

perhaps globally. how traditional left wing parties lost the right to be the champions of working-class men and women? >> it's unbelievable. >> is this now an election, an electoral period in which it's parties on the right, parties that are more nationalist, more keen to put up restrictions on immigration, for example, that can now claim the mantel of supporting work class men and sfwhen that women? that's the bigger shift that we're in. >> this was retweeted last night, alan johnson is going after some of corbyn's people and he looks apple at him like now why don't you go back to your student politics and little left wing affairs. that is the attitude of working-class, pro-working labor people who believe that, like many democrats, believe their party has been taken over by the

twitter mob. that does not reflect working-class people. that certainly was the takeaway last night. we'll get to all of that and much more. so we certainly are going to be talking to katty more on south and north. >> exactly. >> i was -- >> i was just going to say, you were there. >> i ran the -- euro of the economist once in my life. >> yes. >> also for "the new york times," peter baker and cofounder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei joins us. let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent gef benneof bennett and talk about what happened in the united states. why did jerry nadler recess last night? what happened? >> here's the deal, mika. democrats say that republicans told them that they intended to wrap things up last night by 5:00 p.m. but what happened was during the hearing, and you saw this,

democrats made mention of the fact that republicans wanted to go to that planned white house christmas reception that started at 7:00 p.m. and so as a little bit of retribution, republicans offered a bunch of aemmendments and jamd up the process. so when it became clear that this panel was poised to vote on these articles of impeachment at midnight, potentially even 1:00 a.m., nadler tabled it and made the point that this is too important of a thing to have this vote in the dead of night. so he recessed and called a voice vote that will set up this committee vote on the two articles of impeachment at 10:00 a.m. >> so what do we expect today, jeff? >> so we expect that this committee will vote these articles of impeachment from the committee to the house floor. it will be a 23-17 split. it would normally be a 24-17

split but you've got congressman ted li ted lieu. on tuesday you have the house set to vote on the funding measure. wednesday they'll vote on impeachment and thursday nafta 2.0. that's done by design. house speaker and leadership wanted policy to be the last thing that this congress does at the end of the year, not impeachment. >> all right. thank you so much, geoff, we grately apprecia greatly appreciate it. peter baker, personal plus fhue action b humiliation, political benefit. this is a personal -- we saw it yesterday with over a hundred tweets there is something that's

really, really upsetting him on a personal level, despite his protests otherwise. >> yeah. that's exactly right. of course, look, he can count on the senate, republican-controlled senate to cold trial where he seems almost certain to be acquitted or at least have the charges dismissed in some fash shion. mcconnell is talking about a trial that would end, you need a two-thirds vote for conviction. but that doesn't mean he won't have the sting of the historical marker. it may be a party-line vote but it will be an impeachment. that will be part of his obituary, historical leg gase so inhis leg acy. he's in a better place, he's excited -- republicans are finally defending him in the way he wants them to defend him like

you saw yesterday through 14 hours of meetings. they weren't saying, well, he did wrong but it's not impeachable. what they were saying was he didn't do anything wrong, that's the kind of defense he wants. he didn't like the sort of equivocation he heard from some of the republicans early on. he kind of goes back and forth at this point. you're right about the twitter. look at what happened yesterday. 123 tweets. 123 tweets. that was hor than -- in one day. >> who does that? >> more in one day than he had any full week in 2017. he's already now at a weekly record and we have two more days to go as president. so, you know, he's clearly taking out his energy through tweets and so most of which are retweets of things that republicans are saying defending him. i think, again, likes the idea he has supporters and allies that will have his back, something he didn't feel like he had in september. >> 123 tweets in one day. wow, you're president of the united states, which is a pretty busy job, think. >> not for all of them. less for him than for others. >> john, let's go with what we

all know is going to happen, that's the house next week, assuming the vote takes place next week, will impeach the president of the united states and look at what's going to happen on the hill in the senate. if you are any doubt, and i don't think you do, that the democrats will vote to impeach the president. but sean hannity said there will be no difference between the president's position and our position in how to handle this. so they're coordinating with the white house to ensure they get the vote they're going to get. this is going to go and play out just the way most people thought it would. >> i think it's right and proper for all of us to say let's let it play out and not be too firm and predictive. but the betting odds are that the president is going to get acquit. there's drama around the question of will it leave these republicans in vulnerable seats, mcsallys and gardeners -- >> but they need 20 of them. >> there's some drama around the question of because those seats matter so much, what will those republicans do? so we care about those outcomes

because we care about controflt senate and those are important political decisions. i can tell you those senators are really weighing things with a fine grain -- >> they can't afford to have the same take as those house republicans. >> or as the president. >> or as the president. >> cory gardner can't do it. >> martha mcsally. certainly susan collins can't do it. >> even thom tillis has to be careful. >> those are the wounds. and those are the ones who you think might vote against the president, they're at the top of the list along with maybe mitt romney who might vote that way on principle. i watched a lot of the proceedings yesterday including late last night before the semi quasi weird procedural dramaing of them going at it over process. the last thing i heard yesterday before the network threw to impeachment coverage was you talking about your view that maybe it was a mistake to have only two articles of impeachment and to be so focused, democrats,

focused on trying to do this quickly and trying to have these two kind of omnibus articles. and as the day played out yesterday, your comments which weren't very specific that's why i wanted to ask you about them were ringing in my ear. because republicans yesterday over the course of the day felt, i think, like the reason as peter baker said, the republicans -- the president's happy because the republicans are defending him on substance. the reason they're defending him on substance was not that he didn't do anything wrong. but what they were able to seize on was democrats, if you thought you had a chargeable crime, you would have charged the president. you have included articles of impeachment on specific things like bribery, so on, so forth. instead, abuse of power maybe an impeachable off but it's not a crime. but i'm trying to ask you whether you think by doing with these omnibus articles in a way that kind of threw everything in and kind of general sense, whether the democrats might have

made a political mistake and given republicans a stronger argument, or whether having enumerated four, five, six, seven, eight, would have been better for the democrats. why? >> i think you have to be nimble and it's hard to be nimble when you're hurting that many cats. speaker of the house, nancy pelosi's first concern has to be those moderate democrats that are in virginia, in california, all the people -- all the democrats that won republican seats by 1,000, 2,000, 4,000 votes. so i understand that. >> yeah. >> but, as we move through this process and the republicans and the house acted -- in such an abhorrent way, it's going to damage them in the long run, they were much better off to say, yes drer it b, he did it at a crime. this is why we're not removing him. they're not doing that. now some republicans cynically saying you're rushing this. it's just my nature to say, okay, i'm rushing this?

you know what we're going to do? we're stlopping the train. let's stop the train. hold on a second, oh, you don't have a crime? oh, you mean like when the president's fixer and the president talked about illegally giving a hush payment to a porn star a couple of weeks before april election that wouan election that would havend lad any of you -- you're right. you know what we're going to do? we're going to add that because that's a crime and that really upsets you that we have enumerated a specific crime that would have sent any of to us jail if we had done it in our house races, we're going to do add that. you know what? the russian foreign minister was in the white house again. that reminds us, we have the president on record obstructing justice telling the -- and i would play it out. it would be chinese water

torture over weeks and months. and donald trump, you know what i'd do? i'd be like, george h.w. bush in the '88 campaign against michael d we're going to have stormds wy k daniels week. going to bring stormy daniels in. going to bring cohen out of jail. you're in jail because you did what? you're in jail because you helped the president in a conspiracy to violate a federal election law that would have landed him in jail. oh, okay. so in is stormy daniels week. you know what next week is? next week is sergey lavrov week. and i would just do it week after week after week. now, i understand there would be some democrats oh, we can't do that. i understand that. but i'll tell you what, not only would that be best for history, i think politically it would be best, call the republicans' bluff. you know, if donald trump's

selling out an american ally and selling out american national security is not enough for them, you know, then let's -- let's -- in the immortal words of w.d. childers from the redneck riviera state senator, let's put the wheat where the goats can eat it. that's the thing that drove me crazy about bill clinton's impeachment. we are sitting there, he committed perjury, monica lewinsky, but there were so many other things that, you know, were more troubling than that. but, anyway, so, yeah, i would -- i would call the republicans' bluff. i would drag this out. i would add -- i mean, he's committed crimes. let's add it. the emoluments clause, i'd add it. constitutionally, it's in the u.s. constitution, they should add it.

i understand they're doing it for brevity, get it through there to keep it as simple as possible, that hasn't worked. the republicans bad faith has reached new levels. but of course, jim vandehei, that won't happen because nancy pelosi wants to get this done and she is rightly concerned about her moderate democrats. >> yeah, and think her calculation is that if she did what you're telling her to do, that you would still have the exact same outcome. that there aren't any republicans that are persuadable. i think that's been the lesson of this presidency. you and peter had a little debate earlier about whether impeachment helps or hurts trump. the truth is, nothing really makes a difference. he's kind of been locked at 42% regardless of news, regardless of developments now three years running. and i know the white house is out there, they did a briefing for reporters yesterday saying impeachment is awesome for them, they're raising lots of money, it's stirring republican enthusiasm. but the truth is, republican enthusiasm is kind of where it was before. everything's been locked in.

and what they're trying to do is they're saying, listen, we look at what happened over in britain and we think there is a path to victory. and that path is, we're going to go to those little counties, those places that people aren't paying attention to. we're going to the voters who aren't really republicans, they're more trumpers who sat out 2018. we're going to get them hopped and you target them on facebook and try to win a narrow victory because they're looking at that wisconsin poll that you've been talking about on msnbc in the last hour that shows that biden's the only person leading donald trump in wisconsin, which is probably the most important swing state in politics right now. and they're going to try to, like, do what they're doing to be able to squeeze out a victory. and the hearing yesterday, like, god, the sad thing is, you listen to what republicans were talking about and they're saying, listen, if biden wins we now have enough to impeach him. you hear republicans saying that. so now impeachment is like government shutdown. it's like supreme court fights.

we take these things that almost never happened and now we're like, oh, just another tool in the weaponry of political warfare. and that's what republicans are saying they would do to biden. so it's just another sort of another bad precedent for politics. >> let's go around quickly. willie i'm curious what you think. do you think republicans -- or democrats should expand it or does it seem to make more sense for them to keep it tight? >> i think nancy pelosi thinks she's got what she's got, she's got an air tight case on the question of ukraine and she's worried about dragging it out longer. she has watched the polls that have showed it's basically frozen in this country about impeachment. 50/50, maybe ticking a little under that for democrats on the question of impeachment. i think she thinks the more this drags on, perhaps, the more the country begins to tune out and roll its eyes a little bit at the process. she wants a vote and move on. >> peter baker, what do you think? what do democrats think? >> i think willie has it right.

they're trying to be strategic about this. all these things didn't stick over the last two or three years and they decided to not relitigate the mueller case, not relitigate russia, not get into the hoax versus witch-hunt versus whatever thing, the emoluments and all that. to your point, joe, what's striking about it is this is of all the things that we've seen in these three years a narrow case. it's about one specific episode, not just a phone call, it was more than just one foppe calpho there was a series of events that many people think this president has done twrowrong an cross lines that hadn't been crossed. there's the sense that if you're going to impeach him for history's sake, what are you telling history was wrong about this presidency? i think in many critics view is not just this one episode, it's a broader case to be made. i think strategically the democrats decided it's a loser, take what you've got, go ahead and push it, you're not going to win the trial anyway as jim

said, so get what you've got. >> john heilemann, you do have crimes. fascinating they didn't attach the crimes. >> i agree. think nancy pelosi is in better touch with the specific politics of the specific members whose seats in jeopardy, will be in jeopardy next year, most hard fought, the ones she needs to keep if she's going tro taint speakership. i think she knows the politics of those districts better than the members her selves. i defer to her judge meament an the voters in those districts saw this thing dragging out in 2020 and strengthening the republicans hands. on the other argument, now it's january or february, why are you trying -- we have an election in november, why are you taking this choice away from the american people? but i will say after feeling as though throughout this process nancy pelosi, adam schiff, as long as things in schiff's committee and pelosi and schiff

were driving things, that democrats had the whip hand on this politically. think when it's shifted to the judiciary committee over the last few days, you can he soot difference and see why nancy pelosi, i want to attack jerry nadler, but you can see why nancy pelosi put this all in schiff's hands. because the judiciary committee has been a much less disciplined, much more unrule environment unruly environment and you can see where the democrats are losing control of this over the last week. >> i worry when you let crimes go, you normalize them. >> you normalize them not only for this president but future presidents as well. >> let's go to keir simmons. he's outside 10 downing right now. the worse labor drubing since '87, possibly '83, and it was shocking watching the map last night across that red wall that labor had built through the midlands and the north for, by the way, for a hundred years.

over the past century, we aren't talking about since thatcher. over the past hundred years. and you have conservatives winning in the midlands and the north which, again, for people following british politics, just a shock development. what a loss for jeremy corbyn and labor. >> yeah, absolutely stunning. absolutely seismic, joe. let me show you the front page of the daily mail here. the front page there, rejoice quoting margaret thatcher, because, as you say, you have to go back to the 1980s for an example of this kind of a political earthquake. boris johnson, the prime minister, we're waiting for him to come back to 10 daunting street having to see the queen, she to ask him to form a government and what a government he is going to lead. you have to think about thatcher, think about blair to understand how much boris johnson will now be in charge of the political landscape here in britain. and what you're talking about is

right, because it is a completely changed landscape. what you've seen is working-class british people in those former industrial areas of the midlands and the north of england turning away from the labor party, from the left. i heard what katty kay had to say earlier, all of the caveats, you have to be careful about lessons for the democrats in the u.s. but i've got to say, watching this, many democrats should be scared to death because what you saw here was a populous leader taking those left -- people who have been committed to the left for decades and bringing them on board with him and now will be able to push through brexit. and another interesting point on that. what you saw with the labor party, joe, was a kind of young twitter atmosphere believing that they had ability to push boris johnson out of office.

and one left wing commentator this morning saying let us never forget that twitter does not represent the country. there are lessons for democrats to what's happened here. you've got to remember back in 2016 britain voted for brexit and some months later a populous leader donald trump won the president cyst united states. >> a lot of people this morning on the bbc were talking about twitter and young labor voters talking to themselves, convincing themselves in this bubble that they had created that not only were they right, but they were, you know, they were going to win. jonathan wrote this last night. the british election results were a test of widely articulated political theory that holds that corbyn's populous left wing platform is necessary and sufficient in order to defeat rising national -- the rising nationalist right. corbyn's crushing defeat is a

decisive refewtation. and they offered a twoorng american democrats saying you all had been saying -- he had quotes over the past several years that democrats need to follow the core of an example because that would lead democrats to the promised land in the united states. as jonathan said, not so fast. andrew sullivan also saying, democrats have to get real really quickly or else they're going to re-elect donald trump. he said one lesson from the uk, if democrats don't stop their hard left slide they're suffer the same fate as labor. if they don't move off their support for mass immigration, they are toast. left twitter is not reality. >> keir, let me ask you how much of this was about jeremy corbyn himself, how much of this was about brexit? jeremy corbyn put forth radical proposals to nationalize industry, big taxes on the rich.

familiar themes from candidates here. and of course anti-semitism. how much of this was a rejection of labor but of the man at the top of labor? >> i think there's no question that it was a rejection of jeremy corbyn. another kind of interesting note there, there you've got a socialist in his 70s he was leading the labor party and he failed catastrophically, the worst defeat in the post war era. so there's no question of that. it was also clearly about brexit. both of those things. but in scotland, people voted for scottish nationalists, not for jeremy corbyn there either and that was not a vote for brexit. again, just a final point, joe, there are some very concerning storm clouds on the horizon. will scotland try to push now to separate from the united kingdom? you know, this is a huge change for britain. i think it's going to be seen as a huge change for europe as

britain under boris johnson tries to shift more towards america and, as you've seen on twitter, donald trump already reaching out again to talk about a trade deal with the uk. new, stronger economic ties between the uk and america. historians, i think, will see this as kind of a -- between europe and america with britain in the middle and this vote, the british electorate has very much sided with america in many ways. >> keir, there are going to be times when the british government now has to choose between keeping washington happy and keeping europe happy when it's negotiating those trade deals, because they're not always in sync. here's a question for you. boris johnson has won over a whole load of traditionally labor party voters. does he have to keep them happy with policies that extend beyond brexit? will a conservative party now have to become the party of working men and women?

in a way the question is the same about donald trump. does donald trump actually is to deliver on the promise of reviving manufacturing in the united states, for example? >> it's such a great question, katty. i think, you know, what you've already seen is the prime minister come out this morning and talk about doing -- how humble he is that labor voters in the north and midlands voted for the conservatives. he has very much talked about trying to do things for those parts of britain, those parts of britain that that field left behind. and what you're going to sear conservative party politicians in the house of commons, lawmakers who don't -- many of them don't look like the kinds of conservatives that you've seen in the past. they were very much from the south of england, many from the southeast and from london. there's going to be a whole sway of conservatives representing traditionally labor -- labor

constituentsies acro constituencies across the north. this election is going to change the conservative party, i think. >> all right. thank you so much, keir simmons. we appreciate you being with us. you know, katty, one the reasons people are watching, we haven't talked about boris johnson quite as much as jeremy corbyn in part because this isn't a thatcher landslide. this isn't like a reagan 1980 landslide or an obama landslide where it's not so much about who won the race as it is who lost the race. all the commentary talking about jeremy corbyn and, you know, they get on the doorstep and corbyn was a problem when they were knocking on doors. boris is not -- not extraordinarily popular in britain. this really was more of a stinging defeat for jeremy corbyn than it was some sort of mandate for boris johnson.

but, i mean, johnson has a mandate to govern. but it seemed based on everything at least i've heard, it was more of an anti-corbyn than pro johnson vote. >> yeah, you're quite right. boris johnson, there are question marks about boris johnson about whether he's trustworthy? does he lie on the trump? do people like him? he's seen as unpredictable and he kept a pretty low profile by boris johnson standards during the course of this election campaign. but they really couldn't stomach jeremy corbyn. and they didn't believe that jeremy corbyn was a viable leader for the labor party. so it was much about the labor party. britain is split 50/50. this was the conservative party's election to lose. if the labor party had had a leader who was more acceptable to more people in the united kingdom, then labor may well have won last night. they would have take then. because boris johnson is unpopular because the brexit issue splits the country 50/50.

but corbyn just wasn't the right leader for the labor party and for brai for britain. >> they had no clear policy on brexit. >> and corbyn refused to answer how he would vote if there were another referendum. you don't win elections that way, especially on the key issue of the day. we will continue to discuss the implications of all of this. also still ahead on "morning joe," jim vandehei mentioned that new polling from wisconsin which shows how the leading democrats stack up against president trump head to head. we'll run through those numbers straight ahead. and a bit of surprise number out of south carolina among the democrats. "morning joe" is back in a moment. democrats. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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i mean, this -- this reminds me historically of the trial of socrates. he got convicted by the jury of 501 people. why? because he was arrogant. you want to try donald trump for being arrogant? i'm sure you'd have a lot of republicans vote with you on that. yeah, he's arrogant. he's got a lot to be arrogant about. but, that is not a crime, it is not a high crime for sure, and it's certainly not a misdemeanor. it's bothersome to people, some

people like it. but that's not what impeachment is supposed to be about. and to have had a trial, what few hearsay gossip mongering witnesses there were, come into a star chamber and see crete their testimony so people can't see them, can't hear them, but we have adam schiff put it together in a big report and we received the report, don't have much time to review it, but that's all we need. we don't even get to hear from the preparer of the report and get to cross-examine him. this is a stalinesque type proceeding? >> what is impeachment about if it's not about -- >> i don't know. >> crimes, especially that impact our country's national

sure the. >> stahl linesque. >> i like that the refers to the trial of socrates, though. i'd like to have louie go right a book on -- >> i appreciate louie talking at a right where we southerners can keep up with him. >> i didn't look at -- >> instead of doug collins, you know. well, judge, sherman march to the sea but i don't know. i'll tell you one thing, there's this -- i really like and there's -- they sell -- they sell hub caps just the way the democrats sell the impeachment. >> you've got stop. joining us now, the president of the council on foreign relations -- >> have you ever been to athens? >> have i ever been to athens? one of my favorite places. athens, georgia. >> richard haass is here. >> beautiful, beautiful town. great music, great food. my favorite place for a road game in the sec. >> athens is such a special, special place. you know what else say special

place? >> i know where you're going. >> wrmhere am i going. >> the dud on a saturday night. >> what was your record last year? >> we don't need to talk about that. we're going to be better next year. >> we haven't talked about the big news. the really big news that, willie, only you and i will know about. ole miss. >> the league just got a lot more fun, didn't it? >> it's about to get real in oxford, baby. lane kiffen. i make no apologies for his football coach because i love him. if he had had not fired him, he would get fired a lot. if they would have not fired him right before the national championship game a kcouple yeas ago -- >> all the fans came out and asked him about it and he said it was better than the last experience i had on a tarmac where he was fired. >> they came out and fired him.

oh my god. you don't want to talk about sec football anymore? >> anybody? >> what do you want to talk about vasser football? what do you want to talk about? >> ouch. you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? >> no, but if you can't get into a layne kiffen conversation, what are you doing on "morning joe"? >> we have the rest of the show. >> so anyway, if you look at the sec championship game -- >> go ahead, mika. >> i'm going to clean my purse. >> who are we bringing in right now. >> alex, will you take control of this. >> we've got richard haass. >> what a plant over here, joe. >> what more do you need? >> i like that but not -- richard, we got to talk really quickly about britain. obviously you were -- you were just telling us you were over in britain back when labor was chasing communists. looks like -- >> not chasing them, trading with them. >> yeah. looks like they -- they paid for

that again last night. >> once a generation where labor goes so far left. it was interesting. this wasn't a vote about brexit. people are just sick of it. they wanted it done and i think the tories were effectively championing, just get it. so it was a vote against corbyn. but the outium was mo come was sided than people thought. you still will have a very compensated detail on the brexit between the british government and the eu, not clear how it turns out. and i think the country is still in doubt. scottish national vote is overwhelmingly pro depends. it's possible that you'll not only have brexit, but you'll have the unraveling the united kingdom. >> but, katty, the pick that's been so frustrating has been the indecision. even looking -- loving great britain as i do, looking from afar at the indecision where you're just like to do something. make it -- stay, leave, i don't

really care, do something. start planning for your future and that actually is what happened last night. and there's a good reason why the pound skyrocketed after those exit polls came out because a lot of people are saying, hey, wait a second, britain's finally going to move forward in a direction. >> yeah, i spoke to several people who voted remain back in 2016 were adamantly in favor of staying in the european union and then after three years voted for boris johnson last night because they said we're done, we're sick, we're exhausted, we're tired, we have to get out of this nightmare we keep going through. so they switched. after three years they'd had enough and wanted to get out. they recognized what this has done to their reputation. we're the reliable ally that america has in europe, and we started to look incompetent. our politics has been kind of joke for the last year or so.

and people were fed up with that too. they want brand britain to be restored and they hope that by electing boris johnson and getting something done and getting on with brexit they can start moving forward. >> you are, of course, watching good morning liverpool. >> exact. >> i pierce morgan coming up. also a special report in the field on where are the spice girls today? we're going to be talking about. we are about 17 minutes before noon in london. >> ready for the huffington bureau. >> there are some things going on in the states. >> john heilemann wanted to say something. we're going to give you the last opportunity. >> my question was to ask richard this. this morning from all around the world we've heard people say it's settled, brexit is now going to happen. like with this kind of center that at least on my understanding of things it sems set thald britain has decided it's going to try to do brexit. but you made a comment about the details. it seemed to be right now not at

all clear that this deal say hard deal to get done. it's not like suddenly brexit is now going to happen automatically. >> it's not clear the timeline and it's not clear the details. the real question is to what extent does britain try to preserve a relationship with europe that allows them access to the common market? but they want all the benefits of access without agreeing to the regulatory structure. that's a cake and eat it position, they're not going to get it. i still think a hard brexit is a real possibility. i would just say what's tragic about this and if i were in britt ann britain it would drive me nuts. there's a breaking of the relationship between the country and europe. it's a big decision but it was never voted on directly a second time. it was all done through the prism of this election. and the election was about the national health service, about jeremy corbyn's anti-semitism, his communist leanings. so the people have made a decision that will have implications for the permanent future, but they never vote tond

straig voted on it straight up. >> much, much more on that after our spice girls. >> i'm sure we'll talk about it over the course of the day because -- >> we started to raise some of the questions of parallels between britain and the united states. as we proceed into that discussion, i do think it's fascinating when you hear about the way in which this was a rejection of corbyn, the notion that this election was a referendum on someone who is not the party in power say weird reflecti reflecks of the fact that corbyn had been in the british national election. he's a familiar face. he wasn't the income bent, but it's possible in a way for that to be true, that the out of power party could be rejected in a way that's not possible here and so some of the parallels think the people are going to say, well, the democrats better be careful because you could end up with warner/sanders, that could be the same thing. i think there's ways in which this analogy could be stretched too far. >> i disagree with you. i think actually joe biden has a much better chance of winning

wisconsin. >> i think -- >> than elizabeth warren. michigan than elizabeth warren. pennsylvania than elizabeth warren. that's the election. >> i'm not saying that's not true. i'm just saying the notion that there's an easy -- that's like jeremy corbyn equals elizabeth warren and sanders is way too simplistic. that's what i'm saying. >> jeremy corbyn is anti-semitic, has not apologized for the statements and even conservatives were saying hey, whoa, whoa, wait a second. there's not a jeremy corbyn in american politics. he's far more toxic than any democratic candidate. >> in those high unfavorable categories, he had been around. he was an old shoe in british politics by the time that last night came, not like elizabeth warren or bernie sanders did in any respect on those zblonts so we move from good morning liverpool to oshkosh and we want to go to jim vandehei who knows

the area very well. want to show you a poll that came out people are talking about right now. it's head to head matchups between donald trump and the democrats. and we've been seeing wide gaps, nine points, eight points. this market poll, a pretty poll shows everybody deadlocked except biden. biden is the only one that squeaks out a victory on donald trump. it's all very close. as i was watching the returns last night in the midlands and the northern part of britain, i was thinking about wisconsin, i was thinking about michigan, i was thinking about pennsylvania. because those areas in the midlands and the north of england were areas nobody ever thought conservatives would win again. you talk five years ago that any republican, any political person they would say, no, republicans aren't going to win wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. that's all changed. >> it has.

listen, if donald trump is to win re-election, and think it's still hard, right, because his favorable ratings are so routinely in the low 40s. but if he's to win, it's going to be because of what you've seen over the last week. he's able to looks like we'll get a nafta deal. he has the sort of make believe but tiny china deal. you have record-low unemployment. you're going to end up with the stock market getting a big boost probably today because of the news in china. so end the year with a really high stock market and s&p that performed at 25% growth this year. and then he's going to run that ad that he's been running recently that says, you know what? you might not like me, a lot of people don't like me. you might not like my style, you might think i'm a jerk, but do you like the results? and do you like the results compared to whoever he's running against. if he wins that's how he's going to win. the way they look at it, they look at that time the way you do. they're looking at wisconsin, minnesota, pennsylvania, michigan, any place with a high

population of white voters, working-class white voters that they think they can persuade when it's a choice election. him versus somebody. they're praying it is bernie sanders or elizabeth warren because they think you could have a repeat of what happened over in britain. they think it's a better matchup. look at all the swing state polls. joe biden does do better, has routinely done better six months running. so they probably continue to fear him the most and probably should fear him the most, at least on the known knowns today. >> peter bake, he for you look at the wisconsin number that's about how president trump won the state of wisconsin in 2016. he won with 47% of the vote. he won by something like 22,000 votes over hillary clinton, barely squeaking out a victory. the state now is as tight as it was on election day in 2016 really with all of those candidates. and as jim says, it's a reflection of where the focus is of the white house, that the president is already going into places like hershey, pennsylvania, holding rally after rally in those small

handful of states that handed him the election three years ago. >> yeah. i'm struck by how the polls show not just in wisconsin, but across the board how people have not moved very much in the three years since president trump first won his election. if you look at the polls, for ib stance, on impeachment, you see something like 49% for, 47% against, something like that. it's a very polarized country right down the middle are the anti-trump force dollars has ha over the pro trump forces. if you look at the split on impeachment, that's identical to what the popular vote was three years ago that trump lost but managed to win through the electoral college. americans have not changed their minds about donald trump in a substantial way according to the polls. we'll see what happens over the next 11 months whether something changes that. it does not look like impeachment as an overall narrative has changed people's views of this presidency. but, you know, what democrats are counting on is that there

will be a fatigue factor at some point and whoever is be tired o circus, tired of the conflict, tired of the constant, you know, outrages and so forth. we haven't seen it yet. we'll see what happens obviously over the next ten months, 11 months. >> and we mentioned the poll out of south carolina. let's take a look at that right now. 2020 democratic nomination for south carolina, joe biden at the top there. bernie sanders, elizabeth warren at 19%. pete buttigieg at 9%. >> yeah. >> there's tom steyer and then cory booker at the bottom. is it tighter? >> yes, it is. >> joe biden you would think would rule there, no? >> well, he has. but john heilemann, at least in this poll, another very good poll, getting tighter in south carolina. >> yes. you know, you look at bernie sanders right there and elizabeth warren both very close to each other there in that effective tie for second place. those two candidates have, you know, biden has been so far

ahead in south carolina for so long, the fact that there are now a couple of candidates and at this moment they're still seven, eight points behind biden. but as we get closer and closer to south carolina, that's a closeable gap and suggests that they might be starting to make end roads in the nonwhite vote down there. peter baker, i ask you, there's been not to pivot too much off of this britain thing, but there's no doubt that there's been a sea change over the course of the last three months in the democratic party, concerns about electability, concerns about moving too far to the left. elizabeth warren who has run easily over the course of the year the best campaign and was the front runner this race i maintain in october, has lost some altitude but she's still very much in the fight. so where do you think things stand in terms of the ideological fight that is playing out, is going to i think get more intense over the course of the next month and a half as we start to get into those early february states in the democratic race? >> yeah think there you're

right. i think the energy that you seen two or three months ago on the left, the idea it was time for something dramatic, time to almost r almost revolutionary in the party, the who can win argument, you're right. we talk about what this election is going to be about. it's going to be about this three, four, five states if the comes down to this small part of the america because the rest of the country is locked in. and that argument in the democratic party is who's going to sell better in wisconsin and pennsylvania? vice president biden does better in those polls, but the question is whether he's still at his peak. we've seen him on the campaign trail at moments that seem less than ideal. it's not the normal biden gaps, it's is he really fully in command of the stage at this point? is he -- is he going to continue to be able to dominate a race

where there are many choices at this point? where does mike bloomberg come in at this point? he's spending an awful lot of money. he's the alternative if biden fails for that moderate centrist democratic vote. but it's a fluid moment and we're about to start coming to voting pretty soon and that's when we'll stop speculating and start getting actual results. >> let me ask you, richard, i'm curious. there's been some talk elizabeth warren's been talking about getting rid of the electoral college, it's not going to happen, but i do wonder as we talk about three states and the future of our republic resting on how a subset of voters in three or four states vote. it's -- it's hard to not overlook the fact that the democrats have won the popular vote in '96, in 2000, in 2008, in 2012, in 2016 only bush in

2004 won the popular vote, and you get that picture from the '92 convention of bill clinton, al gore, hillary clinton, and tipper gore. and three of those four people on stage won the popular vote in the united states of america. three of those four. >> how many got -- >> and only one got to be president. and i'm just curious, passing no judgment on our constitution whatsoever, i love our constitution, but i'm wondering if people around the world ask you when you travel around the world, okay, wait, wait, what's going on? >> how does this work. >> democrats keep winning. they're going to win the popular vote this time too. but you really worry about a subset of voters around milwaukee and pennsylvania and detroit, they're going to -- just in those three metro areas they're going to determine who the next president of the united

states is? >> yeah. i'm just back from the middle east two weeks before i was in china. people are so baffled by the united states. you're right, there's that. which is ironic because one of our big things historically is we push constitutions on others. we encourage others to adopt constitutions. obviously the devil's in the details. people forget that ours was written at a time when our population was one 100th the current size. country was geographically much more contained. we have not adapted as we have evolved as a country, as a society. but there's lots of other things that other -- the example of american politics, the example of our economy after 2007 and '80, there's not a lot 'eight, there's not a lot of people that get up in the world and say i want to be just like them. >> that's what i do with heilman. >> all right. richard haass stays with us. >> no one would design it by now if we were designing it from

scratch. >> peter baker and jim vandehei, thank you both. >> we really appreciate you being on. and coming, after months of conflict on the campaign trail, senator elizabeth warren is escalating her criticism some of her democratic rivals. >> you know why she's doing that? >> why. >> because it's politics. and in just a matter of hours, you the house judiciary committee will reconvene after chairman suddenly ended last night's hearing without a vote on articles of impeachment. we'll talk to committee member veronica escobar who was the subject of one of the president's 123 tweets yesterday. "morning joe" is back in two minutes. "morning joe" is back in two minutes. chose eleanor. it was great-grandma's name. so we're in this little town near salerno and everyone has dad's eyebrows. help your family discover their unique story, with a gift from ancestry. help your family discover their unique story, a lot will happen in your life.

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corruption. >> the foreign corrupt practices act makes it a crime to offer something of value to secure business in a foreign country. well, the facts of mr. biden's actions in ukraine certainly look like they crossed that line. >> i didn't know biden was involved with crime -- with crowdstrike, i didn't know he was involved with the dnc server being hacked. i didn't know that was all part of his thing. but that's what the president's asking about because there have been informationing that there was some people in ukraine that knew something about that. and that's what he's asking about. so, i appreciate the revelation from our friends across the aisle, biden was in the middle of all that. and so i guess you have one of your wealthy people, the server they say ukraine has it, again, i didn't know biden was all in up to his ear balls -- eyeballs in that. >> what? >> he was talking about britain. but did louie bring up

crowdstrike? >> brought up the conspiracy theory around crowdstrike. debunked day after day after day. >> that's all right. >> you know who else brought it up? the president of the united states on his phone call with july 25th with the president of ukraine. >> and these conspiracy theories are just incredible. and you look at barr, the attorney general of the united states of america, actually bringing up the steele dossier conspiracy theory when the timeline doesn't line up. actually bringing up carter page and the fisa application. again, they're talking about this is what started this investigation, this russia -- no, it didn't. the timelines don't line up. i mean, anyway -- >> okay. >> so i want to start, though, of course we're going to saint james south and -- >> no. >> we're not going to talk for a few minutes about britain, even though i could talk for three hours about it. >> yeah. you have been. >> can we have bra tainia neita

bump in. >> no. >> rule britainia, sorry. you said something on the break that was fascinating, that was you thought yesterday may have been one of donald trump's best days as president. why? >> stock market went up dramatically showing the economy's in decent shape. you had the china trade deal outlines of a phase one deal which will help things. the avoidance of a government shutdown apparently. boris johnson's win. and you look at all of that and you're donald trump waking up in the white house and the polls show it and you go, not bad. this is a formula where he has strong economics, he can go -- regardless of who the democratic candidate is, he's going to run against the excesses of those people in democratic party who stand for something else. and he's going to basically say, you know, there's a case for me. and i think for donald trump yesterday was the kind of day that you have to say he should

never be discounted or counted out. this is not advocacy, just analysis. >> the china deal was a desperation move. he tweets 150 times or whatever and then says i need good news to counteract what's going on on tv. >> the biggest threat to his economic success has been his trade policy. what he's done has got usmca, he has a bipartisan deal with the u.s., mexico, canada deal, china and then a u.s. japan deal. what he's begun to do is remove the very headwinds he inserted into his economic situation. >> china hasn't confirmed the trade deal but do agree with richard yesterday as a big win for donald trump? >> i agree. whether the jobs numbers came out we looked at them and said that's the kind of thing that any incumbent president would love to see. it's true that donald trump has been his own worst enemy on the economy in terms of the market performance and in terms of wages, everything else have been the trade policy. if he decides to clean up the trade policy and stop fighting

trade wars and acting like a normal republican national list to tries to get all this stuff in order the likelihood that the economy stays strong, goes up, and if it stays strong the likelihood of him getting re-elected goes up too. >> he's not only his own worst enemy on the economy, i've said this for years, he's his own worst enemy politically. if he would just put down the phone. if he would just stop tweeting. i mean, if i -- if i were advising anybody in his position, i'd say the only thing you're going to talk about is 50-year lows and unemployment, going to talk about wages, you're going to talk about the economy growing, you're going to talk about the united states being the strongest economy in the world. you're just going to talk about that and then you can go back inside and watch fox news. bush watched espn, worked for him. you can watch fox news. >> he's got way -- >> obama watched espn all the time. that worked for him. >> can't do it. >> if donald trump could just

get out of his way with these economic numbers, he'd be over 50%. >> as mika vers he's incapable of doing that. >> he can't do it. >> republicans in the senate are telling the same thing. mitch mcconnell is going on tv saying, hey, mr. president, we've got this in the senate, we're going to keep it short, we've got votes we need. the president and the white house want to bring witnesses out and drag this out. he's got republicans tell them, dude, you've got 3.5% unemployment, turn to that. but he's feeling good, he knows he has full protection and loyalty from republicans across the government. >> he does. >> the attorney general will protect him come hell or high water, the secretary of state, and now majority leader mitch mcconnell last night on fox saying the white house and i are coordinating how we will run this trial. i know i'm a juror in the trial, but i'm coming out and saying we are here to protect the president in the senate when this impeachment trial is over. >> and, by the way, what donald trump needs to understand is he has people around him finally who will destroy their own reputations. >> yeah. >> absolutely. >> in furtherance of his.

they will end up disgraced, a lot of them will end up in jail, just -- >> like they have already. >> because in you hang out with donald trump enough, you end up in jail. but he can relax. he's got these people who are willing to destroy themselves, destroy their reputations, destroy their careers for him. he can relax. barr. >> destroy this country. >> barr's -- i mean, pompeo, all of these guys are now willing to sacrifice themselves for donald trump. and be seen as john mitchell's,er limitchell's, holderman's for the rest of their lives. let him talk about the economy and let these people around him destroy themselves. >> we have senior adviser at movon.org karine jean-pierre.

and eugene robinson. and jake sherman. >> great group. >> i am so excited to have gene robinson here. can anybody tell me around the table why i am? >> london bureau. >> he's a listened to don resculondon bureau guy. gene, you, back there in the early days. >> i was there in the early '90s, yeah. >> early '90s, same thing. you were there in the early '90s. obviously right after the big win, '87 win for thatcher. but you were there when labor was actually getting their act together and moving toward a new labor approach that worked for them. richard was just saying that last night was back to the future. john was talking about this is like -- it is like the labor party of 1977, 1978. >> yeah. >> michael foot.

>> new labor went back to being paleolithic labor all the way back. and it was, you know, disaster, debacle, catastrophe, i don't know how you -- you know, how you categorize it. when i was in london, boris johnson was an unethical and dishonest journalist writing for the daily telegraphy and sort a stories up but entertainingly. but i will say today i underestimated him as a politician. i think he engineered, you know, i think he knew that if he could get to an election against jeremy corbyn, he could get a mandate not just for brexit, but a mandate, you know, a big mandate. i don't know if even he imagined that he would have the biggest mandate since margaret thatcher. this is going -- this is, you

know, earthquake doesn't really say it for what this means for britain to see -- i was looking at that map. i'm obsessed with this like you are so i was sort of back and forth between the hearing on the hill and looking at the bbc and others filling in the map of britain. >> it's crazy. >> and seeing, you know, areas that are just have been labor for a hundred years just going -- going blue which over there means going conservative. and it was just astonishing. so this is -- this is a whole new day for britain. a lot of it comes down to jeremy corbyn who is perhaps the most, you know, unattractive and unsuitable candidate to lead a major party in a major democracy since, well, donald trump. >> yeah. >> but corbyn was unacceptable to a lot of voters who might have voted labor if it hadn't been for corbyn.

really interesting thing in scotland. scottish national party picked up a bunch of seats and now dominates scotland and is already calling for another referendum on scotland leaving the united kingdom. watch this base. scotland voted heavily to remain in the european union. there's going to be a big push on which johnson will resist for a new scottish referendum. so he may have won this enormous battle, he could lose the war for the -- for the united part of united kingdom. >> yeah. i had a scottish fan in the university of alabama in the mid '80s, beware of scotland, they will take over the world. >> karine, you had a lot of people warning labor about jeremy corbyn. >> yeah. >> this was going to be a nightmare. and actually the fact that is boris johnson wanted to go

against corbyn so badly, it's like the harlem globetrotters against the washington generals. only crusty the clown bet on the washington generals because they were due. >> they're due. >> but they never win. and corbyn was never going to win. jonathan wrote this is a warning for democrats, be very careful about believing the twitter. >> oh, i agree. >> actually is the democratic base and instead focus on, let's say, the older african-american voters in south carolina and across the country that not only make up the democratic base, the real democratic base, but also decide whether they're going to get out and vote in november for a candidate they can relate to and beat donald trump. >> look, i think it's definitely a warning sign what we saw yesterday. especially when you go back to 2016 with the brexit vote, absolutely. but i do say that corbyn was southern popular that that's probably the difference.

because he was such an unpopular -- he also had bigoted views that was problematic. so connecting him to candidates on the democratic side is probably not the way to go. but i do want to lean in on the wisconsin polling that you guys were talking about. because did -- i think that's where there is a loud sound, a loud kind of bell that democrats should pay attention to. first of all, we should not pay attention to national polls, we should be paying attention to state polls. wisconsin tells me that we are going to be in a scenario where donald trump is not going to win the popular vote but could potentially win the white house. that's a fact that democrats have to deal with. so what do democrats need to do? they need to expand the map. so they have to look at arizona. they have to look at georgia and do what obama did in 2008, winning virginia, winning north carolina. so that is i think the warning sign is, what should democrats do? expand the map. you're not going to win this on twitter. we got to go out there and knock on the doors, get people out to vote. we have to make sure that we are

expanding the electorate, talking about african americans, talking about people who do not normally come out to vote. so there needs to be a real laid-out plan for democrats. because we're going to need a movement to win in 2020. >> i want to underline something you said too earlier, joe, there are warning signs for democrats in the socialism that elizabeth warren and bernie sanders talk about, but, again, jeremy corbyn is an anti-semite. elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are not that at all. there's some policy similarities, but there's a reason that jeremy corbyn is repulsive to voters in the uk. let me bring it back to this country tie aand what we'll see today. we had the late night session last night where they closed without a vote. there was a lot of huffing from republicans on that side saying we've been here 14 hours, let's have the vote. they'll reconvene at 10:00 this morning. what do you expect to see today? >> a lot of huffing from the press corps as well. they're going to pass on a

party-line vote out of this committee. over the 14 hours yesterday we learned nothing new, obviously. this was a very partisan process and we learned that the first to go after joe biden from republicans on this in congress, joe biden is the new hillary clinton for republicans in congress. they are going feast on him if he gets in the white house. if he doesn't get in the white house they're going to also feast on him and hunter biden. but this will proceed on partisan grounds. it's going to come to the house floor next week. we assume wednesday democrats do not want impeachment to be the last thing they do before they leave town for the christmas holiday. it's going to pass the house and republicans talking point at that point, we had a life event with kevin mccarthy in which he said the bipartisan vote will be the vote against impeachment. democrats are going to lose some votes of people in swing districts, maybe not in wisconsin, but places around the country. we've heard nervousness from people everywhere from new york south carolina, all over the

country. and so, yes, it's going to be an overwhelming vote to impeach donald trump, but democrats are going peel off and are going to give republicans this talking point that there was unease among nancy pelosi's troops on impeaching the president. >> john, i want to pick up -- >> we need to get to the interview. >> we're going to get to your interview with kevin mccarthy in a moment, but i want to get what he said about biden. i thought it was a mistake when hillary clinton went and testified. i didn't think it was going to help the presidential campaign. this attack on biden now, because it was so personal to hillary clinton, the mistake republicans are making is that every time they attack hunter biden. >> yes. >> they are actually making every parent in america, republican independent, and democrat alike go. >> come on. >> come on. you know what? we all have problems, hunter's got more problems than most kids, but you're attacking a

dad, that's not going to stick on joe biden. it actually does -- >> he was almost 50 years old. >> it does two things. it makes him a more empathetic figure, number one. it just does. and republicans who don't understand that don't understand human nature. and number two, it sends a message to every democratic voter in america that's going to vote in the primaries, the message is this, republicans are scared, i wish i could say the next word, out of their wits about-facing joe biden. donald trump is so scared of joe biden that he actually perverted america's defense poll city to try to destroy joe biden. he did something that no president has ever done before because joe biden scares him to death. yesterday, if i'm biden, and i'm watching my name brought up time and time again in an impeachment

hearing about donald trump, i'm just sitting back going, does it get any better than that? how scared are these clowns of me? and it also helps me that they're iq, like, added up altogether doesn't even reach a hundred. but these people -- >> there is that. >> -- are making me look inevitable. i think republicans are making a horrible, horrible mistake attacking -- attacking hunter, and then, again, letting everybody know that they are petrified of facing joe biden. >> right. so i think that, first of all, there's no question when they attack hunter biden personally, as some of them have done, that they're making a huge mistake in the way that you suggest. i do think there are some americans who certainly people in donald trump's base and others who think that they have some questions about what hunter biden was doing on the board. >> legitimate questions. >> sure. >> very legitimate questions. >> that's a distinction i would draw between the personal

attacks on hunter biden versus the questions about what his role was on the board, why he was there. >> you know what bind says? he says the same thing every adult says. my kid's 50 years old, talk to my kid. i love my kid. >> that's not what he said. what he said -- >> i'm saying that's what he needs to say. >> maybe. but what he said instead, i think this is why the campaign continues to struggle a little bit to come up with a clean answer to this question. the position he's taken publicly is my son did nothing wrong, he did nothing illegal and nothing unethical. however, if i'm president of the united states, i will not let this behavior occur again as president. which raise the question if there's nothing wrong with what he did, why are you instituting a rule to bar that from happening? >> i'll say again, though, you've got to look at donald trump and what he's done with his children and what voter in america that is not all in for donald trump is going to sit there and go, my goodness, i don't think i can vote for joe biden because his children have profited off his -- >> you know what this is going to be like. it's not going to be like that. it's going to be the president, this president, donald trump, is

going to throw everything at joe biden on this question going forward. i can just tell you as a matter of reporting that there are people around joe biden and his campaign do not think they have dispensed of this issue sufficiently and that the vice president needs to have a better set of answers because this is not going to go away. it is the case -- >> we agree. >> they're going raise this question going forward. the campaign does not feel like they have it nailed down. it could be -- >> we agree. >> i also think if they could get it disposed of properly and have the strongest answer for it, there's no question that the risk for trump is that they've elevated biden and said and indicate they are scared of him. and it could play to biden's strategic strengths enormously if he could get past -- this is the general election. >> we've got move on. >> i know why this is a problem, though. because from conversations i've had with people on the campaign close to them is that talking about hunter, talking about anything like that -- >> emotional. >> hurts him.

>> of kortion. >> of course. >> he has been hurt terribly by the loss two of children in his life, tragic passings. this is his remaining son. it hurts him. and i still think, and this is not of any interest to joe biden, but i think the issue every time it's brought up does help him. like you said. >> and it's very -- i'll say again, i love my son, he's 50 years old. talk to my son. i'm worried about your sons, i'm worried about your family, i'm worried about -- >> just as a father, though, can he not help -- >> that's why i'm running for president of the united states. jake is her plasherman, get in >> i do think there are people, and john indicated this, on the biden campaign that do believe is this is not an issue. biden himself did nothing wrong. but i could tell you from talking to trump world, they are going beat him over the head with this. on the burisma issue, not the separate issues that he has legitimate problems with, but on the burisma issue joe biden's son was serve okay a board in

ukraine while his father was in charge of policy. there's a whole conflict of interest, this is what the trumps will say, and the trump people think that that will resonate. there are people on capitol hill i can tell you obviously the nation is very divided, very jer jerry man derred seats. and when you see people like lindsey graham who vowed to keep joe biden out of this trial are asking for documents from the state department. so this is traveling up. this is not just confined to the house of representatives in the is traveling across the party into the senate. and i do agree with john that there's not been on the campaign a significance to this. and they've not wanted to address it because they believe joe biden himself did nothing wrong and they are perpetuating this narrative that it's okay by doing that. i think there are a lot of people who are concerned who want to forceful response to this. >> "politico's" jake sherman, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," was the reason ig report

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27 past the hour. live look at the white house. we have national correspondent for "politico" natasha bertrand. her latest piece is on why some veterans of the intelligence community are saying that the ig's watchdog report could

provide a roadmap for russian spies. natasha ar are tetell us more. >> so national security experts were alarmed by the amount of detail that was in this report about sources, about how the fbi vets sources, about things like an assessment of a former employee by a former -- by a friendly foreign intelligence service. there are details in this report that make it very easy to identify who crist far steele's sources were, for example, that contributed to the dossier. and, who some of the confidential human sources the fbi used during the 2016 election to make contact with people like george papadopoulos and carter page. what these intel veterans say that the russians, chinese, any adversarial foreign intelligence service would love to get their hands on this kind of document because it allows them to then be able to determine who the fbi is using as sources, how they go about vetting them, and

essentially what the process is for, you know, vetting these people and going about collecting intelligence. >> natasha, seems to me that the russians and others are doing pretty well without this. they've had a good run at the last two elections. what difference do you think this could or would make? what added vulnerability did this deliver? >> to be sure there are a lot of things about the fbi's way they handle sources and how they vet sources that is already public because the public itself has to be reassured that the fbi isn't going completely rogue here and, for example, inserting confidential human sources in news organizations and things like to. that there are some standards for how thee deal with these people. but, at the same time details like one of christopher steele's chief sources was a senior person within the russian government or had senior access to a senior person in the russian government. another source being confirmed

as a bella russian who is on the chamber of commerce. these are sources that the fbi has made contact with them, they're on their radar, that these are people that have been providing information whether unwittingly or not to the american foreign -- the american intel services and also to folks like christopher steele. so it puts their lives in danger and it could create a possible chilling effect for sources in the future who might be reluctant to come forward and work with the fbi because of details like this, identifying details that are placed in reports like this. >> i can ask really quickly, and, john, maybe you can give us details on this. i remember u.s. months ago, a year ago, two years ago, whenever the steele dossier info first started coming out it was attached to i think the free beacon and republicans and funders. but now -- now whenever it's discussed it's only connected to the clinton campaign. i'm sorry to go back to -- to go

back and -- but i'm curious, what was -- of what was the deal there? how did -- when did the clinton people take over? when did the funder for the free beacon stop. >> natasha will correct me if i'm wrong on this. i believe that pull singer who was a never trumper republican was also the backer of one of the washington conservative organizations, one of the newspapers, i think it was the free beacon originally started the work, not the dossier itself but brought in christopher steele to do opposition research on behalf of republicans. >> so steele or gps? >> fusion gps. fusion gps contracted with christopher steele if the was fund by the republicans in the

primary. when the primary ended, fusion found a new backer for its continued research into trump. and that backer was the clinton campaign with money that was -- >> and did the information from the -- so basically republicans did it until he won the nomination and then the democrats started doing it? >> that's the basic org of it. and because fusion was working with steele i believe throughout this -- someone who has more expertise might be able to correct me, i think fusion had contract with steele do the research throughout, essentially steele was working as a subcontract. the dossier was at the tail end of that process so it's become more associated with clinton. but there were various versions of the dossier too and those documents that he filed with fusion gps came out at various intervals over the course of 2016. >> natasha, does that match with what you're seeing? >> yeah. chris steele really came on to the scene with regard to fusion gps around the spring, early summer of 2016. that's when he was hired,

basically, to do research on trump's business ties and what his ties to the russians might be just broadly. and he went and he asked his sources. and what he got back, obviously, was this information about -- >> when you started, though, he was working for never trump republicans, right? >> when chris steele started, he had -- the democrats had already taken over the funding. >> they had taken over the funding, okay. >> natasha, stay with us. coming up, the false romance of russia. we'll be right back. >> wow, that's quite a tease. i like that. that's quite a tea i like that. unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you?

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all right. in a new piece for the atlantic entitled the false romance of russia, columnist and professor ann apple balm rights in bart this. in the 21st century we must contend with a new phenomenon. right wing intellectuals now deeply critical of their own societies who have begun paying court to the right wing dictators who dislike america. and their motives are curiously familiar. all around them they see deagain raisi, racial mixing, demographic change, political correctness, same-sex marriage,

religious decline. america that they actually inhabit no longer matches the white, anglo-saxon, pro des stent mrk that they remember and so they begin to look abroad at the nations that they imagine are morally stronger than their own. nations for example such as russia. american intellectuals who find themselves alienated from the country what they inhabit aren't interested in reality. they are interested in a fantasy nation different and distinct from their own hateful country. america, with its complicated social and political as well as ethnic diversity, with its constitution than ensurs we wt will never ever be forced to feel that all life is focussed in a central purpose, this america no longer appeals to them at all. most of them know that this fantasy foreign nation that they

admire seeks to put an end to all of that. it seeks to undermine american democracy, beat back american influence, and curtail american power. but to those who dislike american democracy, despair of american influence and are angered by american power, that truly is the point. >> richard, i've been shocked by some so-called conservatives that i've seen on tv, that i've read online, that i've read in papers actually sing the praises of vladimir putin, orbin, right wing across central and eastern europe, it's as if ronald reagan never ran their party. >> yeah, there's zero memories, zero knowledge. but i have a question, joe, for these people. how are they going to feel tend of putinism when there's no legitimate succession, it's not

clear what or to whom putin hands off power. he doesn't have a real economy. he's got an economy less than the size of italy's. there's no serious nonoil sector. there's no concept legitimate political transition. how good is russia going to look then? how is russia going to meet the challenges of the century given its political problems, it's nationality problems? this is a country that be really does not have the plan for its own future. and my guess is, russia is not going to look so good to anybody. so i'm just curious whether this romance turns out to be rather short lived, shall we say. >> but, again, willie, this is a leader, this is a country that, like, the only european country that has invaded another country since world war ii. they went into georgia, they went into -- in '08 they went into ukraine. i'm speechless. and there's some conservative writers who i follow pretty

closely who sing the praises of orbin. do they not understand how illiberal and anti-democratic he is. >> putin trying to put back together the sof quoviet union reagan took apart. gene robinson, i'm yucurious wh you think we're talk about when we talk about right wing nationals in the united states and this view of looking outward from america? >> you know, when -- hearing the reading of anne's excellent piece, the very short sort of clip summary of that that came to my mind was white supremacy. white supremacy monot expressedn those terms, but in the terms western civilization. and i think there are -- there are conservative intellectuals

and others here who -- who see in this country what they would call western civilization and what i would call white supremacy threatened. threatened by latino immigration, let threatened by increased diversity in the upper echelons of this society, threatened by when you're on the phone with the insurance company or whatever having to press one for english and two for spanish. and seeing that as somehow degenerate and looking ironically toward russia and, you know, victor orbin and those kinds of people as defenders of some, i guess, preenlightenment ideal of western civilization.

it's ahistorical and it's ill loth logical and it's crazy but it's happening. and i think we need to confront it and deal with it. >> and katty kay, jump in on this, but there seems to be happening right before our eyes a destabilization of america's place in the world. and it's -- it's sort of filled out by images of world leaders laugh at president trump. i mean, it's real. >> yeah. and i think that plays into some of this. this idea of empire and grandness and confidence on the world stage and how that might have been undermined as these academics see it, you know, under president obama and now they want to project it again. and part of it's clearly race, right? it is this sense of white supremacy. and if you look at the demographics of america, what is it 2044 the country becomes a minority white country and there's that fear as the country is changing demographically. it's not just race. there's a broader sense, i think, amongst some conservative

thinkers that it's become too pc. that it's not just racial minorities that are having more rights, it's also gay rights, it's a sense of a loss of religious practice perhaps in the united states, certainly in europe. and a harkening back to a sense of nostalgia of a time when things were simpler in their views and it was white men largely that ran the show. that is changing. women are taking more positions of power. i wheernd thonder what they thi dpin wloond which h finland that has just elected a 34-year-old women and more women in the cabinet. it's not the world that their parents knew. >> you know, karine, the lunacy of people we hear all the time that evangelicals support donald trump and these leaders because they feel like their way of life is under siege.

the idea that the first amendment is not sufficient for us, we're going to emulate or we want our leaders to emulate vladimir putin and russia? ronald reagan spent a good part of his presidency working for religious freedom, to actually get dissidents out of russia, of the soviet union who were persecuted because of their faith. >> we went from mr. gorbachev, tear down to this wall to let's parrot russia propaganda across the country that we hear every day even in the last three months as we've been looking at the impeachment inquiry. the thing that resonates with me is the white supremacy, because now you have a president in, you know, the white house who is lifting that up in such a dangerous way. when you think about the anti-immigration policies and the babies and the children that have been separated at the border who are now orphaned,

some have died, when you think about how he's dividing the country by using that hatred, that bigotry, that identity, as you said, joe. wee livi we're living in a dangerous time because this country is only becoming more diverse. so what does that look like for the future of america? >> well, you know, the thing is it's really -- and i'm sure i'm wrong here because i'm usually wrong, john heilemann, by look at 2020 perhaps as the last election that's really up for grabs. as far as republicans, i hope they enjoy the 2020 race, because in 2024 i suspect texas will go democratic. georgia more likely to go democratic. arizona more likely to go democratic. but let's just stop there. it's over. in 2024. so the republican party has disqualified itself. they're actually think will be a fight within the democratic party to see which direction they go. are they going to represent the

millions of americans who were going to abandon the republican party? are they going to republican the millions of americans who are black and who are hispanic and who are conservative with a small "c" who are pro life who fa take a lot of social positions that republicans have take snen how is th taken? how is this going to look? i know that 2020, it's the end of the line for donald trump's america. he ain't on long island in 1957. this world is moving quickly forward. >> demographic change is transforming the country, it will transform the democratic party and the truth is that the notion that it just -- the fact that the country arizo's gettin diverse does not guarantee that democra they will win in the future.

there are asian americans who have wildly disparate views. they're going to have to be a real big 10 party to take advantage of those changes. but i want to come back and say one thing about this anne applebaum piece. it would be one thing if it were some weird neonationalist right wing intellectuals were spoulting these. the reality is one of the craziest and insidious things that's happened in the last couple weeks is the notion that people on prime time hosts on fox news with the power that that network has are now coming out and openly saying things like i'm rooting for russia over ukraine. i don't know why i should be against russia. tucker carlson has said this multiple times where he's coming out -- you're starting to see in a main -- in what is the dominate media organization of the american right right now, there is now a prime time host and these congressman saying the same thing, this notion of taking up the cause saying

ukraine interfered in the election, trying to turn away from russia. russia is a foe of america. richard, check me if i'm wrong, russia is an adversary of the united states. ukraine san ally of the united states. to hear what is in this conservative moment in this republican party, the mainstream media house organ, to hear prominent people saying i don't see why i should side with ukraine, i think we should side with russia is a really disturbing trend. and it's not about pointing intellectuals in some united states u universities on the far national right, it's in the main treem stream of fox news. we here them go on "meet the press" almost every weekend and parroting points of view. >> it's important to repeat that parroting points of view that america's intel community warned them not to parrot because it's russia propaganda. >> yes. >> but, richard, go ahead and confirm it.

we may not see russia as our enemy, but russia sees us as their enemy. >> absolutely. what putin has made clear is he wants to part of what we would call the liberal world order. he wants to preserve his rule. he wants to preserve a kleptocracy in russia. he wants to be free to use military -- he doesn't want to make russia great again. he wants russia seen as a great power again. if he does ukraine, georgia, he's done in syria, he has no real economy at home because if he had a real economy then you'd have independent centers of power. >> russia's gdp is like one tenth of ours. they're like 2.5 trillion. we're over 20 trillion. >> and almost all of it is because of oil. there's no provision for the future. this is a country, just look at the numbers, of 140, 145 million people. this is 60 million less than pakistan, let's just put this in perspective. what russia has is cyber power, it has energy, it has military

power. what it doesn't have -- have -- >> hold on. and it has the president in the white house who is the most pro russian president in the history of this republican and who causes grave concern for all of our allies. you look at helsinki. i'm not even going down the list. he is -- >> look at lavrov in the oval office this week. >> yes. >> if he is not a russian asset, which i'm not saying he is, he is certainly is what we conservatives used to call a useful idiot for russia. >> what russia and the white house have in common is they both get up in the morning and want to disrupt the world that's grown up over the last 75 years. donald trump sees this world as a burden on the united states, unfair to the united states. russians see this world as a threat to their political system. there's a parallelism now between what ought to be our greatest enemy and ourselves. >> natasha, before you go, u.s.

prosecutors are seeking to revoke bail for lparnas for posing an extreme risk of flight. while prosecutors point out most of the money was used for parnas's personal experiences it raises questions about giuliani's associates. they were charged with trying to funnel foreign money into u.s. political campaigns as well as working to remove the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. back in october parnas and fruman were arrested at the airport with one-way tickets out of the country. again, russian money all over this. natasha. >> yes, and one of the biggest questions surrounding the giuliani-parnas-fruman scheme has been how involved are the russians directly in this. obviously the entire scheme was pushing russian interests, removing the ambassador, framing

ukraine for interference in the 2016 election that, of course, russia did. these were all talking points pushed by russia, so payments to fruman and parnas were at the center of the questions about, well, how is russia having a hand in this, how are they influencing this. this $1 million payment raises serious questions about whether the russians were funding this campaign and to what extent they had their tentacles in this entire scheme the whole time that has been ongoing for the last several months. >> the biggest one being that ukraine interfered in the election instead of russia. that's "access hollywood" taka they've been pushing since december 2017. >> a final word, is there a similar movement in britain among certain conservatives? >> less so. britain has been more wary of russia because it sits closer to russia. what you are seeing

interestingly is on the continent. you are seeing franc ae and germany wanting to make rapprochement with russia. they're kind of saying, well, we supported ukraine for a bit, but actually now that russian gas is looking really attractive. in the interest, it is much more transactional, less ideological and intellectual. in the interest of transactional economics they're prepared to throw ukraine under the bus right now, france and germany, to have the gas relationship they want with russia. >> and the front page of financial times, germany and russia strike back at u.s. threat for sanctions on pipeline. >> there you go. >> i'm humored and petrified by the white house that continues to think they can strike out against our allies and that our allies have nowhere to go. they do. they have china. they have russia. this is not a uni polar world

and donald trump does not understand that. >> what the other result of the week also, when you had this meeting with the europeans and russians and ukraine, ukraine goes into the meeting, zelensky goes into the meeting as weak as he could possibly be because of what has become a broken, non-starting relationship with the united states. he had to go up against putin against the backdrop of this conversation. no surprise, no progress was made. >> thank you very much, and our thanks to gene robinson as well. we will be reading your peach on impeachment in the washington pobs. coming up -- >> by the way, i don't want to get deep in the weeds here, but when it began in late july, early august, when trump started ent interfering the way he did on the quid pro quo, actually the ukrainians and russians had just begun talks. there was a prisoner exchange and there was hope they would move forward. donald trump went in, completely derailed that. shifted the power balance of the

negotiation completely to putin, and here we are. >> and zelensky has lost something of a domestic base to go forward in this because people are worried he is so weak he will giveaway the store to putin. it has made it much more difficult. >> thank you, donald. coming up, president trump tweeted yesterday the u.s. is getting close to a trade deal with china. but there's reporting this morning that beijing is less than enthusiastic. we will talk more on the trade war. after yesterday's marathon hearing, the house judiciary committee is expected to vote on articles of impeachment this morning. we will speak to a member of that panel, congress within veronica escobar joining us. >> great. >> she will talk about what is expected today. we have holiday music. i still don't have the answer. >> what's that? >> the question about your song. your song is on this christmas list, which is really cool on spotify, but it is called "i don't want to go home for christmas." >> right. >> i do not want to go home for

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the committee is in recess. >> mr. chairman. mr. chairman. there was no consulting from the ranking member on your schedule for tomorrow, which you have just blown up schedules for everyone. you chose not to consult the ranking member on a scheduling issue of this magnitude? >> so typical. >> this is the kangaroo court that we are talking about. >> all right. after more than 14 hours of debate on the articles of impeachment against the president, the house judiciary committee abruptly adjourned late last night, holding off a history-making vote until this morning. that was chairman jerry nadler, appearing to catch many of his fellow lawmakers off guard when he made that announcement shortly before midnight. the committee will return at 10:00 a.m. this morning to continue the markup of the impeachment articles before sending them to the house floor next week. >> what did he have, like a rave? did he have a flight to catch? what was going on there?

>> that guy's the same way. >> that's nadler. what did he have to do? >> on the one hand, let's get some sleep, sleep on it and think about it. on the other hand, dude, we've been here for 14 hours. can we just vote? >> come on. let's bring in nbc news without correspondent geoff bennett and talk about what happened in the united states and in washington last night. why did jerry nadler recess last night? what happened? >> reporter: yes, well, here is the deal, mika. democrats say that republicans told them that they intended to wrap things up last night by 5:00 p.m. but what happen was during the hearing -- and you saw this -- democrats made mention of the fact that republicans wanted to go to that planned white house christmas reception that started at 7:00 p.m. so as a little bit of retribution, republicans offered a bunch of amendments and jammed up the process as a means of forcing this nighttime vote. so when it became clear this panel was poised to vote on the

articles of impeachment at midnight, potentially even 1:00 a.m., nadler tabled it and made the point this is too important of a thing to have this vote in the dead of night. so he recessed and called a voice vote that will set up this committee vote on the two articles of impeachment at 10:00 a.m. >> so what do we expect today, geoff? >> reporter: so we expect that this committee will vote these articles of impeachment from the committee to the house floor. it will be a 23-17 split. it would normally be a 24-17 split but you have congressman ted lieu, the democrat at home recovering from a medical procedure. that then sets up a vote in the house next week, we are told, on wednesday. so on tuesday you've got the house vote to set -- or set to vote on this government funding measure. wednesday they will vote on impeachment. thursday they'll vote on the usmca, nafta 2.0. that is done by design. the house speaker, house leadership wanted policy to be the last thing that this congress does at the end of the

year. >> right. >> not impeachment. >> all right. thank you so much, geoff. we greatly appreciate it. >> yes. >> peter baker, i want to bring you in. political plus for the president but personal humiliation -- your great article in "the new york times". so republicans are saying maybe it is a political plus. i personally don't think it is going to be. but just for argument's sake as you say in the article, this is -- even though some republicans and some people around the president think this will help him in the long run with his base, it disdains donald trump and it is a personal -- and we saw it yesterday with over 100 tweets. this is something that's really, really upsetting him on a personal level despite his protes protests otherwise. >> that's exactly right. he can count on a republican-held senate to hold trial where he almost certainly seems to be acquitted or to have the charges dismissed in some fashion or another.

mitch mcconnell is talking about a trial, ten to twelve days, that would end in acquittal. remember, you need a two-thirds vote for conviction there. it doesn't mean he won't have the sting of a historical marker. it may be a party line vote but it will be an impeachment. that will be part of his obituary, his historical legacy on his page in the annals of the presidency. that's something that does sting. behind closed doors he toggles back and forth between self-pity and combativeness. he is in kind of in a better place some of his advisors say because he's excited -- not excited. energized. republicans are defending him in the way he wants them to defend him, like you saw yesterday through 14 hours of meetings. what they're saying is he didn't do anything wrong, which is what he wants. he didn't like some of the equivocation he heard from some of the republicans early on. he goes back and forth at this point, but you are right about twitter. look what happened yesterday. 123 tweets. 123 tweets. it was more than -- in one

day -- >> how does he do that? >> more than one day than he had in a full week in 2017. he's already now at a weekly record and we have two more days to go as president. so, you know, he is clearly taking out his energy through tweets and so forth, most of which are retweets of things that republicans are saying defending him. i think he, again, likes the idea he has supporters, he has allies that will have his back, something he didn't necessarily feel he had in september. >> 123 feets on monday. wow, you're president of the united states which i think is a pretty busy job. >> not for all of them. less for him than others. >> john, let's go with what we all know is going to happen, and it is the house next week. assuming the vote takes place next week, will impeach the president of the united states. look over the hill to what will happen in the senate. if you had any doubt, and i don't think you do, that republicans would vote to acquit the president of the united states, look no further than majority leader mitch mcconnell's interview with sean hannity last night where he said, quote, there will be no difference between the

president's position and our position in how to handle this. >> right. >> so republicans coordinating with the white house to ensure they get the vote they want to get. this is going to go and going to play out just the way most people thought it would. >> right, and i think it is right and proper for all of us to say let's let the thing play out and not be too firm and predictive. look, the betting odds that the president will be acquitted. there is some drama around some of the seats. >> they need 20 of them. >> that's why i think there's drama around the question because the seats matter so much, what will the republicans do. so we care about the outcomes because we care about control of the senate and those are important political decisions. i can tell you those senators are weighing things with a fine grain of parity. >> by the way, they can't afford to have the same take as the house republicans. >> or if the president -- >> cory gardner can't do it. >> no. martha mcsally. >> martha mcsally can't do it. >> certainly susan collins can't

do it. >> susan collins. even tom tillis has to be careful. >> those are the ones that are at the top of the list along with maybe mitt romney, someone that might vote that way on principle. i want to ask you, joe, because i caught something yesterday. i watched a lot of the proceedings yesterday including a lot late last night before the drama or semi quasi weird drama between nadler and the ranking minority member going at it over process. the last thing was you talking about your view maybe it was a mistake to have only two articles of impeachment and to be so focused, democrats focused on trying to do it quickly and trying to have these two omnibus articles. as the day played out yesterday, your comments, which weren't very specific and that's why i wanted to ask you about them, were ringing in my year because republicans over the course of yesterday felt like the reason, as peter baker said, the

president is happy because republicans are defending him on substance. the reason they're defending him on substance wasn't exactly they said he did nothing wrong. what they were able to seize on was the notion over the course of the day was that, democrats, if you thought you had a chargeable crime you would have -- you would have charged the president. you would have included articles of impeachment on specific things like bribery, so on and so on. >> right. >> instead, abuse of power may be an offense but it is not a dream. i'm trying to did you whether you think that by going with these omnibus article, in a way that kind of threw everything in a general sense, where the democrats might have made a political mistake and given republicans a stronger argument or whether having enumerated four, five, six, seven, eight, the mueller obstruction charge would have been better off for them and why? >> i think you have to be nimble and it is hard to be nimble when you are herding that many cats as speaker of the house. nancy pelosi's first concern has to be the moderate democrats in

virginia, in california, all of the democrats that won rep seats by 1,000, 2,000, 4,000 seats. so we understand that. but as we move through this process and the republicans in the house acted the way -- in such an abhorrent way -- i mean it is going to dems in the long run that would be better off to say, yes, he did it, but it is not a crime and here is why. constitutionally this is why we shouldn't remove him. that would have been a good argument. they're not doing that. now some republicans are cynically saying, well, you are rushing this. it is just my nature to say, oh, okay, i'm rushing this? you know what i'm going to do? we're going to slow this -- let's stop the train. let's stop the train. hey, hold on a second now. oh, you don't have a dream. oh, y oh, up don't have a crime. oh, you mean like when the president's fixer talked about illegally giving a hush payment to a porn star a couple of weeks before an election that would

have landed any of you in -- okay. you know what? you're right, we're going to slow. you know what we're going to do? that is a crime and we're going to add it and it upsets you that we haven't enumerated a specific crime that would have sent any of us to jail if we did it in any of our house races. we're going to add that. you have know what? the russian foreign minister was in the white house again. that reminds us. we have the president on record obstructing justice, telling the -- and i would play it out. it would be chinese water torture over weeks and months. donald trump, you know what i'd do? i would be like george h.w. bush in the '88 campaign against michael d michael dukakis. we're going to have environmental week, exempt for the democrats it would be we'll have stormy daniels week. we will get cohen out of jail.

you are in jail because you did what? oh, wait. you're in jail because you helped the president in a conspiracy to violate a federal election law that would have landed him in jail. oh, okay. this is stormy daniels' week. you know what next week is? it is sergei lavrov week. i would do it week after week, and i understand there would be democrats that would say, oh, we can't do that. i understand that. but i tell you what, not only would it be best for history, i think politically it would be best. call the republicans' bluff. you know, if donald trump is selling out american allies and selling out american national security is not enough for them, you know, then let's -- >> yeah. >> -- in the immortal words of w.d. childers from the red neck riviera, state senator, let's put the wheat where the goats

can eat it. put it down there where they can eat it. that's the thing that drove me crazy about bill clinton's impeachment. we're sitting there, he committed perjury, monica lewinsky. but there were so many other things, you know, that were more troubling than that. anyway, yeah, i would call the republicans' bluff. i would drag this out. i would add -- i mean he has committed crimes. the emoluments clause, i would add it. constitutionally, it is in the u.s. constitution. they should add it. i understand they're doing it for brevity to try to get it through there, keep it as simple as possible. that hasn't worked. the republicans' bad faith -- >> such bad actors. coming up from london, boris johnson is celebrating a resounding victory in yesterday's critical election there. what it means for the future of brexit next on "morning joe."

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." prime minister boris johnson and his conservative party are celebrating a commanding win, securing a majority in the british parliament and paving the way for the uk's exit from the european union early next

year. overnight labor party leader jeremy corbyn announced that he will be stepping down after the opposition not only failed to oust the ruling conservatives but also lost dependable seats in parliament. let's go to keir simmons outside 10 downing right now. keir, the worst labor drubbing since '87, possibly '83. it was shocking watching the map last night across that red wall that labor had built through the north. by the way, for 100 years. over the past century -- we are not talking about since thatcher. >> yeah. >> but over the past 100 years, and you have conservatives winning in the midlands and the north, which, again, for people following british politics just is shocking development. what a loss for jeremy corbyn and labor. >> reporter: yes, absolutely

stunning. absolutely seismic, joe. let me show you the front page of "the "daily mail"" here. the front page here, rejoice, quoting margaret thatcher because, as you say, you have to go back to the 1980s for an example of this kind of a political earthquake. boris johnson, the prime minister, we are waiting for him to come back to 10 downing street, having been to see the queen, she to ask him to form a government. what a government he is going to lead. you have to think about thatcher, about blair, to understand how much boris johnson will be in charge of the political landscape here in britain. joe, what you are talking about is right because it is a completely changed landscape. what you have seen is working class british people in those former industrial areas of the midlands and the north of england turning away from the labor party, from the left. i heard what was said earlier, all of the caveats. you have to be lesson for the

democrats in the u.s. i have to say watching this many democrats should be scared to death because what you saw here was a populous leader taking those left -- those people who have been committed to the left for decades and bringing them on board with him, and now will be able to push through brexit. another interesting point on that, what you saw with the labor party, joe, was a kind of young twitter sphere believing that they had momentum, believing they could push boris johnson out of office. one left wing commentator this morning saying, "let us never forget that twitter does not represent the country." i think there are lessons for democrats from what has happened here. you have to remember back in 2016 britain voted for brexit and some months later a populous leader named donald trump won the presidency of the united states. >> willie, a lot of people this morning on the bbc were talking

about twitter and talking about young labor voters, talking to themselves, convincing themselves in this bubble that they had created that not only were they right but they were -- you know, they were going to win. jonathan shake last night wrote this, the british election results were a test of a widely articulated theory that hold's the populous left wing platform is necessary and sufficient in order to defeat the rising nationalist right. corbyn's crushing defeat is a decisive representation. jonathan offered a warning to american democrats saying, wait a second, you all have been saying. and he had quotes over the past several years, that democrats need to follow the corbyn example because it would lead democrats to the promised land in the united states. as jonathan said, not so fast. andrew sullivan also saying,

democrats have to get real really quickly or else they're going to reelect donald trump. he said one lesson from the uk. if democrats don't stop their hard-left side, they'll sufficient the same fate as labor. if they don't move off their support of mass immigration, they're toast. >> twitter is not real life. sounds familiar in this country as well. >> thank you so much, keir simmons. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. coming up, wisconsin played a critical role in the 2016 election. there's new polling in that state and democrats should pay attention to that. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ what the world needs now is love, sweet love ♪ on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪ ♪ blow a kiss into the sun

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liverpool, to good morning, oshkosh. we want to go to jim vandehei who knows the area very well. we want to show you a poll that came out, a lot of people are talking about right now. it is head-to-head matchups between donald trump and the democrats. we have been seeing wide gaps, nine points, eight points. this marquette poll, a respected poll i guess, shows everybody deadlocked except, you know, biden. it is always within a margin of error. biden is the only one that squeaks out a victory on donald trump. it is all very close. as i was watching the returns last night in the midlands, in the northern part of britain, i was thinking about wisconsin, i was thinking about michigan, i was thinking about pennsylvania, because those areas in the midlands in the north of england were areas nobody ever thought conservatives would win again. you talk five years ago to any republican, any political person, they would say, no, republicans are not going to win wisconsin, michigan and

pennsylvania. that's all changed. >> it has. listen, if donald trump is to win reelection -- and i think it is still hard, right? because his favorable ratings are so routinely in the low 40s, but if he is to win it is going to be because of what you have seen over the last week. he is able to -- it looks like we'll get a nafta deal. he has this make believe but tiny china deal. you have record low unploi unemployment. you will end up with the stock market getting a boost, ending the year with a high s&p that performed with a 25% growth this year. then he will run with the ad he has been running recently saying, you know what? you might not like me. a lot of people may not like me, you may think i'm a jerk, but do you like the results? do you like the results compared to whoever he is running against. if he wins, that's the way he

will do it. they are looking at wisconsin, minnesota, pennsylvania, michigan, any place with a high population of working class white voters they think they can persuade when they think it is a choice election. they are praying it is bernie sanders or elizabeth warren because they think you could have a repeat of what happened in britain. they think it is a better matchup. look at the swing state polls. joe biden does better. has routinely done better six months running. they continue to fear him the most and probably should fear him the most, at least on the known knowns today. >> peter baker, if you look at the wisconsin number at top of the poll, that's about how president trump won the state in 2016. he won with 47% of the vote. he won by something like 22,000 votes over hillary clinton, barely squeaking out a victory. the state now is as tight as it was on election day in 2016. really with all of those candidates. as jim says, it is a reflection of where the focus is on the

white house, that the president is going into hershey, pennsylvania, holding rally after rally in those small handful of states that handed him the election three years ago. >> i'm struck how the polls show not just in wisconsin but across the board, how people have not moved very much in the three years since president trump first won his election. if you look at the polls, for instance, on impeachment you see something like 49% for, 47% against. it is a very polarized country, right down the middle. the anti-trump forces have a slight edge over the pro-trump forces but it is really close. if you look at 49-47 split on impeachment, for instance, that's almost identical to what the popular vote was three years ago that trump lost but managed to win through the electoral college. so americans have not changed their minds about donald trump in a substantial way, at least according to these polls. we will see what happens over the next months to see if something changes. it does not look like impeachment as an overall

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democrats have built this entire fake impeachment scheme around an alleged demand. guess what word is not anywhere in the transcript. "demand." nowhere in that transcript does the president make a demand. >> there have been so many things that are been said like the president never used the word "demand." well, i can tell you this. when a robber points a gun at you to take your money, they

usually don't walk up and say, i'm robbing you right now. >> she knows that. she was orlando's police chief, so she knows a thing or two about crimes. >> the argument, some of the silliest arguments i have heard in any committee. willie, i mean you go down the list of all of the excuses for why donald trump was not shaking down, extorting a foreign leader. i have heard from foreign leaders, a lot of them, that joe biden -- or they can't win. democrats can't win, they're scared. they can't win. so -- and they keep going back. so they're trying to impeach him. i think most people would give democrats a better than even chance of beating donald trump right now if you look at so many of the polls that have him losing by nine points to joe biden. >> he is the incumbent and has great advantages, but depending

on who the candidate is the democrats have advantages, too. remember the term, he didn't say quid pro quo as if he would announce it in that way. i think councilwoman demings did a good job. >> yes. congresswoman veronica escobar of texas. good morning. great to have you on the show. >> good morning. thank you. >> you were name checked in a couple of the president's 123 tweets yesterday. look at this. he says he misquoted the call, do a favor for the country. aye. do you want to respond to the president's tweets? >> you know, because this is what the president does. >> yeah. >> he attacks people. he attempts to bully people, intimidate people. i think, i hope what the american people have seen is that the house democrats will not be intimidated. we will not be prevented from doing our job, from fulfilling

our obligation, from up holding our oath. no tweet from the president will prevent us from doing that. >> republicans argued that the articles of impeachment actually don't reflect the crimes of which you, the democrats, are accusing the president. take a listen to this. >> my question is, where is your crimes? >> the entire argument for impeachment in this case is based on a charge that is not a crime, much less a high crime. >> there is no allegation of bribery in these articles. there's no allegation of extortion. >> why aren't they in this impeachment document? it is because they don't exist. >> we are marking up articles of impeachment for offenses that aren't crimes. >> the article does not charge such crimes. why not? because that no evidence to support them. >> congresswoman, what do you say to shows charges. >> yes, that's what we had to

listen to for 14 hours yesterday. the president committed the highest constitutional crimes that he could commit, abuse of power, bringing in foreign interference into our election and obstruction of congress. you don't -- last night near the end of the night i made an appeal to the american public, especially to those folks who had been listening to the hearing, hoping to gain a better understanding of what was going on, why we are impeaching the president, what this moment means. this moment actually is a really dark moment and there is a reckoning for our democracy. the way that i tried to frame it at the beginning of the hearing was this way. and one of our witnesses brilliantly laid it out this way. if a governor has received -- a governor of a state has received funding to help a community impacted by a hurricane or by flooding and that governor calls your mayor and tells your mayor, you know, i have this funding to

help, but essentially in exchange i need you to smear my political opponent, that governor would be in jail. if that governor tried to obstruct an investigation into that occurrence, he would be in jail. if that governor said, i'm going to fight all of your subpoenas, he would be in jail. so no president is above the law, is what we've been saying all along. but the american people don't have to take our word for it, all of the evidence is out there for them to see. we have over 300 pages of an investigative report, over 100 witnesses, many of them -- or00 hours of testimony rather from witnesses who were patriots. you cannot be -- listen to that techt and be testimony and be unmoved. over 50 text messages. we have mick mulvaney telling us to get over it because it happens all the time, but the

most important testimony, the most important witness we've seen with our own eyes, we've heard with our own ears, it is the president of the united states first when he said, "russia, are you listening," and then when he did it again for the 2020 election on the white house lawn, saying, "yes, ukraine should essentially interfere in our election, and, hey, china, while you're listening you should do it too. don't take our word for it. we have seen it, we have heard it. >> willie. >> congresswoman, it is willie geist. i want to put to you one of the other criticisms we've heard in the committee and from chairman graham and others there, that it is pay back effectively for the 2016 election, that you democrats were shocked hilary clinton lost the election to donald trump, that you have disdain for the 63 million people who voted for donald trump, and this is your only way of getting him out of office because you are worried even about the next election. that's their case anyway.

they have started to make a culture war argument, that you democrats look down your nose for people who voted for donald trump and want to undo the election, they would say. what is your response to that? >> they are doing everything they can to distract from what i just described, the president's own words. here is what i would say. we are going to take this vote this morning in just a little while. i hope that my republican colleagues have done what we have done on the democratic side, which is really search our hearts to make sure that we are doing the right and correct thing. i would sell the senate republicans, take a look at our democracy and where we are. we truly are at a crossroads. we have a president of the united states who has invited foreign interference into our elections. the american people, our democracy, our republic, we depend on free and fair elections. that is what is at stake. there is a pattern that the president has shown us over and

over and over again, that he is willing to do anything, cheat, giveaway america in exchange for winning election. we are ready to fight him in 2020, willie. that's for november, okay. this is about protecting the integrity of those very elections and, indeed, protecting the integrity of our beloved republic. >> and tower national security. >> that's right. >> congresswoman veronica escobar, thank you for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you. >> and majority leader mitch mcconnell said he will be in total coordination with the white house counsel as the probe becomes a trial. take a listen. >> everything i do during this, i am coordinating with white house counsel. there will be no position between the president's position and our position as to how to handle this. there is no chance the president is going to be removed from office. my hope is that there won't be a single republican who votes for

either of these articles of impeachment. >> yes. so that's not a great tries. i mean the democrats did the same thing in '99 with bill clinton. but there's one question that remains, and that is will there be any republicans that will vote for impeachment. we've had people around the table tell us that they think may get three, four, five. >> i think there was senator chris murphy that was on last week. >> right. >> it was pretty surprising to hear. i think he said about less than five people he can count on one hand. look, it is this deeply disturbing to hear the head of the jury say that he is coordinating with the defendant. that's essentially what is happening here. mitch mcconnell is going to have a hard road to figure out. he has some vulnerable senators in his caucus. we are talking about tillis. we are talking about gardner. we are talking about the congresswoman from maine. >> susan collins.

>> susan collins, i'm so sorry. >> can you imagine collins, if collins has to go before maine voters. >> exactly. >> giving donald trump a pass on extorting a leader and holding up congressional funding for dirt on joe biden. along with her -- i mean she is in an untenable position. if she votes against impeachment and removal there's no way she will be re-elected. >> right. and that's something senator mitch mcconnell has to think about because you are putting those vulnerable senators in a difficult place. if your oath is to donald trump and not to the country. >> i think mitch mcconnell will do what a lot of leaders do, and if susan collins needs a pass, cory gardner needs a pass, if tom tillis -- much less likely to get a pass. but let's say if cory or susan need a pass, mcconnell would

much rather give a pass to them and explain it to donald trump than be minority leader. >> he needs 20 though. these are a handful that make vote to make a point for the historical record. it is symbolic. man, you talk privately to republicans, i keep coming back to someone like senator ben sasse who i viewed as a smart and principled guy until he got a primary guy coming after him for being too anti-trump. does he sit there in the hearing, in that trial and go, nothing to see here? i don't believe he believes there's nothing to see here. i believe some republicans think it is unseemly, it is bad and they don't like it, but they're not willing to take the step to vote to remove the president from office. >> yeah. >> all right. we will continue this conversation. majority leader mitch mcconnell said this and beal 'continue to cover that. we do have -- sorry. i am just getting a couple of different pieces of information

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stocks made record highs yesterday on the heels of optimism in u.s./china trade negotiations. because that so-called phase one trade deal was possibly agreed to in principle with reps by both sides but pending approval from president trump himself. that's according to sources near the talks but the market gains are stalling out a bit as much of wall street waits to get confirmation of this deal as well as some of the details going into it. how big will those agricultural purchases be, what about property theft and the enforcement of it. so if a deal could get agreed to by the end of the week, the next tariffs will get delayed. we're slated to take effect on sunday. we're also watching markets on the move in the uk with election results. last night boris johnson won what some are calling a landslide victory in parliamentary elections. the british pound surging in value alongside key benchmarks

in the uk. it's seen as a broad mandate from the electorate giving conservatives a path forward towards leaving the european union. johnson has pledged to get brexit done by january 31st given that big election victory, so of course china/u.s. trade, uk brexit, all of that making markets move this morning. >> dominic chu, thank you very much. by the way, donald is tweeting again nonstop. donald, we want to thank you for bringing up ratings and morning shows because we of course are having another record-breaking year. more people have watched us this year than any other year before. i know you said we tanked. no, he said we tanked. i know this is a shock to a lot of our viewers. you're not actually telling the truth. so thank you for bringing it up because it gives me an excuse to thank all of our team for working so hard. >> yeah, we have a great team. >> and putting together a show that, again, has led us to record-breaking ratings. thank you. >> and michael bloomberg is richer. >> michael bloomberg, he's so

much richer than you, donald. i really don't think you're a billionaire just to be honest with you. i say it just to be polite. you may be worth a couple hundred,01 thousand dollars when you look at all the debt. let's bring in a former secretary and defense secretary and you, philip, were one of the 21 that left the tory party a couple of months back. it has to be -- i know you're excited that conservatives did as well as they did last night, but could you have imagined the rejection, and i say the rejection, it was more about rejection of jeremy corbyn was as extreme as it was? >> well, i think it's been very clear for a long time that the british public wasn't buying jeremy corbyn's offer and wasn't buying jeremy corbyn the man, the anti-semitism scandal has hit him very badly. but the offer he put before the british people just wasn't credible.

british people want to believe in a brighter future but they're not stupid. when they're offered proposals like a four-day week with wages for five days, they know that that is not a credible offer to them. so i think what we saw last night was a great victory for the conservative party, of which, by the way, i remain a member. and it gives boris johnson the political and moral authority to shape the future for the uk. it allows him to break out of the straitjacket that his predecessopre predecessor was in being beholden to the hard core of activists on either side of the party. he's now got a mandate to allow him to map out his own path if that's what he chooses to do. >> so katty kay is with us and has a question. >> mr. hammond, do you think in this argument about whether there are lessons for the democrats here in 2020, does the labor party's loss relate to

elizabeth warren and bernie sanders? >> it feels like to me that in a mature democracy, the electorate is wary of extreme left-wing political programs offering people all sorts of good things without explaining quite how they're going to be paid for and how it's going to work. we've seen the british electorate effectively reject an everyone can have prizes offer, and take a more sober course. i think there is a lesson there for u.s. politics. certainly i know there will be plenty of people wanting to draw that lesson and get behind it. >> you want britain to stay in the european union, you worked for that when you were in government. it looks like we're going to leave now. do you still think it's going to be bad for the british economy? >> just to be clear, i have always accepted the referendum result, that we have to leave the european union. the issue is about how we do it. leaving with a deal, recognizing the fact that the uk economy is

very closely linked with the european union economy and that we need to have a continuing trade deal that gives us mutual access to each other's markets. that is the key. you know, i got -- i lost the conservative party whip because i was involved in a parliamentary maneuver last september to ensure that we could not leave with no deal at the end of october. i'm very glad we did that because i think we are now in a much stronger position where boris johnson with this kind of mandate is in a strong position with sit down with the european union. we will leave during january. he's made that clear, and he has to do that. but the real question is what happens next? what does britain's relationship with the european union going forward look like? how does that affect the possibility of a trade deal with the united states? and more broadly, what is britain's future role in the world as a medium-sized economy

outside of the european union bloc at a time when the world looks as though it's polarizing into big power blocs. how does a country the size of the uk make it successfully on its own? that's going to be a big challenge for us to debate over the next year or so. >> philip, i know you were a former conservative member of parliament. i'm just curious about the labor party. clearly they had a devastating loss. where do they go from here? what does next look like for them? >> so the obvious answer is the labor party needs to pivot back towards the center of politics. the british labor party in modern times has been at its most successful under tony blair when it was a resoundingly centrist party. there's another agenda taking shape here and it's the same in the u.s., with the left looking to reinvent itself as the answer to the climate change challenge. the sort of red/green message

that some of the -- some of the prescriptions of the left can be applied to the questions of decarbonization of our economy, how we make our economy more sustainable in the future. if i was a labor politician, i think i would be looking at the result last night and thinking to myself there are two ways to go here. either we pivot back towards the center of british politics or we find a new left message which is a green message more than a red message. >> philip hammond, thank you very much for joining us. fascinating perspective. joe, in our final moments, why don't you sum up the week and what we're looking ahead to. >> well, i mean too much to sum up in a week's time. it's interesting, richard haass came on earlier today and said donald trump may have had his best day yesterday. but it doesn't feel that way for donald trump, who is only the third president in american history who's going to be

impeached. and as peter baker said earlier this morning, while some republicans like to convince themselves that this has been great for donald trump politically, it stings personally, has made him angry. that's why he's firing up the tweet storms that he's firing up. >> so many tweets. >> but we finish this morning what was cut off abruptly last night. >> and that is just moments away. that does it for us this morning. hallie jackson picks up the coverage right now. >> on a very busy morning. thanks to the both of you. i am hallie jackson with history on hold, at least for another hour or so. we are watching the house judiciary committee where members got at best just a few hours of sleep, are expected to vote on articles of impeachment once they get back together at 10:00 this morning. you can see that live shot there. this is after a marathon 14 hours of debate that was supposed to lead right into that historic vote overnight. as it tiptoed closer to midnight, chairman jerry nadler decide it was too late to keep