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day. >> we're defending the constitution and we're defending the integrity of the 2020 presidential election. >> we're doing the duty that the constitution asked us to do. >> this is an outrage. this was a kangaroo court. outrageous to put the country through this. >> for democrats, impeachment is their drug. it is their obsession. it is their total focus. punching back. president trump's first reacting to the historic vote. only the third time in u.s. history the judiciary committee has recommended articles of impeachment against a president. and for the defense. rudy giuliani, the president's controversial personal lawyer, arriving at the white house today. majority leader mitch mcconnell saying he's got the president's back. >> everything i do during this, i'm coordinating with the white house counsel. there will be no difference between the president's position
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and our position as to how to handle this. and good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. shock waves from the impeachment earthquake on capitol hill rippling through the white house as president trump's attention turns from twitter to the oval office, railing against house democrats taking the next step. joining me now, nbc's kristen welker at the white house. chris matthews, host of "hardball." john brennan, former cia director for president obama, and kimberly atkins. welcome, all. kristen, the president has been speaking at the oval office, meeting with the paraguyan leader. his reaction at this hour? >> not surprisingly, andrea, the
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president defiant once again as he responds to the vote democrats held earlier today on those two impeachment articles. let me read you a little bit of what he said and of course we'll play the tape as soon as we get it. he says, it's a sham process, democrats are trivializing impeachment. he also says that it's a really bad thing to use impeachment for nothing other than political gain. he says, my poll numbers are going through the roof, we're setting records, the people are disgusted with this, no one has ever seen anything like this, i watched these dems yesterday make fools of themselves. just a little bit of the sampling from what we are hearing from president trump. and again, we'll play that tape as soon as we get it. the white house, the president, taking aim at the entire process instead of focusing on the content of what the president is being impeached on, although it is worth noting he again said today that his phone call with the president of ukraine on july 25th was perfect, and of course that is part of what this impeachment inquiry has been about at its root.
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i can tell you, andrea, that the focus here at the white house does move to the senate. according to officials here, they believe that pat cipollone, white house counsel, will represent the president in the senate trial. but of course nothing is finalized here at the white house until president trump says so. and pam bondi, who is one of the people working on communications here at the white house as it relates to impeachment, has said no final decision has yet been made. also worth noting, andrea, the president's outside attorney rudy giuliani was here at the white house today. we couldn't get any confirmation from white house officials if he was specifically meeting with president trump. i've reached out to giuliani to see if he would give us a readout of any meetings he may have had at the white house. we know he was in ukraine trying to dig up dirt on the bidens from ukrainian officials there. >> we see him walking under an umbrella, a rainy day in
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washington. chris matthews, a rainy day for the president. this is an historic moment. he's trying to say it's a sham, it doesn't matter, but the fact is, it's only the third time in american history, 242 years, that an american president is going to be impeached. >> he's trying to make the best of it. the silver lining for him is it's the politics of grievance that got him elected. the cultural elite that hillary clinton represents. this wasn't a dance learned for the occasion yesterday. all day long it was, unfairness, you're being unfair to us, it was a kangaroo court, a witch hunt, stalinesque to delay the vote until this morning, all an overstatement. the theme is we're getting screwed, aimed at the voters who elected him in 2016, their charge that the white working class has been screwed by the liberals, the mob at the gate, it's the old argument and they've got it down pretty well.
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>> and lost in all of this, potentially lost in all of this is the substance of this impeachment. abuse of power, obstruction of congress. john brennan, let's talk about the abuse of power piece and the fact that american foreign relations, american diplomacy, potentially american intelligence and law enforcement and the fbi all have been impacted by what the president did with ukraine, and that in every respect, what rudy giuliani has been doing and what the president has been doing with ukraine, which was made very clear by that phone call, helps vladimir putin. >> there are so many consequences what have we've seen now in the past few years. i think there's great angst within the intelligence and law enforcement and national security community about what donald trump is doing in terms of how he is conducting the affairs of the office of the presidency. but also we're sending a signal to the world that all those things the united states said for so many years about the importance of following the rule of law, the importance of not having corrupt government
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officials, that has been laid to waste, not only by donald trump but also by republican members of congress who have voted to allow this type of abuse of authority as well as obstruction of congress and of the system of government to continue. so again, domestic consequences but also international consequences. >> and punctuated by this visit of lavrovhe oval office, the first time was the day james comey was fired and the president disclosed covert intelligence from an ally, completely inappropriately, now this, as the house is beginning to consider articles of impeachment. >> donald trump revels in his ability to push tbeyond the bounds of normality. and also i think he's doing very
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little to discourage vladimir putin from doing it again in 2020. as lavrov said, the issue never came up in the oval office despite the white house saying they warned about interference. >> and secretary pompeo trying to say it will come up at the state department but who knows whether that's accurate. >> he's even worse because he's enabling this type of activity, william barr, mike pompeo will have to answer to history. >> peter baker writes in "the new york times" that he nurses resentment over the red mark about to be tattooed on his page in the history books as only the third president in u.s. history to be impeached. no matter what the president says, his advisers say he
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doesn't want to be impeached, viewing it as a personal humiliation. >> that will be the first line of any biography that comes from this point on, that he was the third president to be impeached in the history of the country. although he has lined up the support of republicans from the top down in the senate and his conviction is very unlikely, this is still a defeat. we've seen from the beginning, this is a president who does not like to lose and he sees even the vote that's going to be taken in the house this week, he will see that as a defeat, he will see that as a personal slight. but at the same time, he will frame this as an attack on the united states, as an attack on the people, as an unfair process, when at this point what i'm looking for is what happens when this does get to the senate, because all of the process arguments have to fall away, because the republicans will be entirely in control of the process. we know it's unlikely witnesses will be called, which cuts against this idea that they didn't bring relevant witnesses from the republican side who they wanted to bring in including the whistle-blower.
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it cuts against every argument that's been made by house republicans up until this point. at the end, if he gets that acquittal, it won't matter. >> and it does seem that both mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi are almost in sync here for different reasons, wanting this to be over. this is crowding out any impact that democrats from the 2020 trail can have. it may be, as a matter of fact, helping joe biden maintain his position, because other voices are not being heard as of and he is the best known of all of them. we're about to see the tape from the president's photo opportunity which just concluded in the oval office with the leader from paraguay. he was asked about impeachment. we'll listen to the q&a that comes from that as soon as that tape is played back. this would be his first opportunity to try to frame it, he apparently calls it a sham, says it doesn't really matter, and then he can try to cast it as best he can. but as we've been reporting and
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baker and you, kimberly, have been reporting, he does care about of th about this. ironically, he's trying to accomplish a preliminary china trade deal. let's watch. >> reporter: your reaction from the vote in the house judiciary this morning? >> i was actually, believe it or not, finishing up the final -- doing the final touches on the china deal. that's going to be one of the great deals ever. it's going to ultimately lead to the opening of china which is something that is, uh, incredible because that's a whole big untapped market of 1.5 billion people. and so i was actually doing the finals. but i got to see enough of it and certainly i spoke to me people. it's a witch hunt. it's a sham. it's a hoax. nothing was done wrong. zero was done wrong. i think it's a horrible thing to be using the tool of impeachment which is supposed to be used in an emergency and it would seem
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many, many, many years apart to be using this for a perfect phone call when the president of that country said there was no pressure whatsoever, didn't even know what we were talking about, it was perfect, the relationship was perfect. i've done much more for them than obama did for them. it's a scam. it's something that shouldn't be allowed. it's a very bad thing for our country. and you're trivializing impeachment. and i tell you what, someday there will be a democrat president and there will be a republican house and i suspect they're going to remember it, because when you do -- when you use impeachment for absolutely nothing other than to try and get political gain, now, with that being said, my poll numbers, as you know, have gone through the roof. fundraising for the republican party has gone through the roof. we're setting records. nobody's ever seen anything like
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it, because the people are disgusted. the people are absolutely disgusted. nobody's ever seen anything like this. i watched yesterday, i got to see quite a bit of it yesterday and i watched these democrats on the committee make fools out of themselves, absolute fools out of themselves. and i also saw them quoth all the time incorrectly. they kept saying me. it wasn't about me, it was about us. the word was "us." they kept saying "me." it said "us." thank you do us a favor, our country, comma, our country. then it talked about seeing the attorney general of the united states. for these people to say me, they would say me, you said do me a favor. no, it didn't say that, it said do us a favor, our country, talking about the past election, talking about corruption. the other thing nobody remembers and nobody likes to talk about and i talk about it all the time
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is why isn't germany, why isn't france, why aren't other european countries paying? because we're saying. the suckers. for years we've been the suckers. we're not the suckers anymore. big difference. why isn't germany paying big money? they have a much bigger benefit than we do because ukraine is a stoppage between russia and the major part of europe. why aren't major european countries paying? why isn't france paying a lot of money? why is it always the united states -- we're 7,000 miles away. why is it always the suckers who pay? so we've managed that but nobody brings that up. uh, i think that the whole impeachment thing, hoax, i guess you could call it, because it is a hoax, and nancy pelosi knows it, by the way, they duped her yesterday, she was on an interview and she said, we've been working on this for 2 1/2 years. so she was working on it, in other words, two years before we ever spoke to ukraine. she said, we've been working on
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impeachment for 2 1/2 years. and the reporter was shocked when they got this answer, because it showed she's a liar. so it's, uh, it's a very sad thing for our country. it seems to be very good for me politically. and again, those people, because i watched some of the, uh, dishonest, fake media, they're saying, well, the polls have remained the same. no, the polls have not remained the same. i think you understand that, john. the polls have gone through the roof for trump because people -- especially with independent voters and especially in swing states. i could show you numbers that nobody has ever seen numbers like this before. so the impeachment is a hoax. it's a sham. it started a long time ago. probably before i came down the escalator with the future first lady. it started a long time ago. and when you look at the ig report, and you look at these horrible fbi people talking
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about we got to get him out, insurance policies, you know, the insurance policy is just in case she loses, meaning crooked hillary, who was crooked as a three-dollar bill, just in case cooked hillary loses, we've got an insurance policy. we've been going through the insurance policy now for three years and it's a disgrace. thank you very much, everybody. >> reporter: how much -- >> i think they'll hit $50 billion in agriculture, more than 50, because it's also manufacturing and other. but i think in agriculture they'll hit $50 billion. >> reporter: this year? >> pretty soon. they've already stepped it up. my deal with them was two months ago, we had it in pretty good form. i said, do me a favor, start buying agriculture, and they started. if you look, i mean, they're already buying, even before the deal is signed, they're buying. >> reporter: what about
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venezuela? >> we're with the people of venezuela 100%. >> reporter: do you prefer a short process in the senate or a more extended process? >> i heard lindsey graham who is terrific. i'll do whatever i want. there is -- we did nothing wrong. so i'll do long or short. i've heard mitch. i've heard lindsey. i think they are very much in agreement on some concept. i'll do whatever they want to do, it doesn't matter. i wouldn't mind the long process because i would like to see the whistle-blower who is a fraud. the whistle-blower wrote a false report. and i really blew it up when i released the transcript of the call. and then schiff gets up and he, and i blew him up too, because he went up in front of congress and he made a statement about what i said that was totally false. and then a long time after he made it, when he got caught, he said, oh, well that was, uh,
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parody, parody. now, schiff is a crooked -- he's a corrupt politician and a disgrace. and because of the fact that he's in congress he's got immunity, so you can't do anything. he went up there, you know that, and made a totally false statement. the whistle-blower wrote a totally false statement. so it's a fraud. then i say, where is the informer, the one that informed the whistle-blower, he had an informer, he disappeared. you know why he disappeared? because i released the transcript. had i not released that transcript we would have had an informer. we would have had another -- by the way, where is the second whistle-blower, remember that, we have a second whistle-blower, we have breaking news. look, not all of it, but much of the media is corrupt. these are bad people. they're sick people. and they're corrupt. and we're fighting the democrats and we're fighting a lot of the corrupt media. but i ask the corrupt media, where's the second whistle-blower? now, had i not had a transcript, i'm lucky we had this transcript, which by the way has
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now been verified by the lieutenant colonel, lieutenant colonel, okay, he's another beauty. so where is -- where is all of this stuff that was gonna happen? once i right fieeleased it, i r it quick, quickly. once i released it, all of a sudden the second whistle-blower disappeared. the first whistle-blower who is all set to testify, he all of a sudden becomes this saint-like figure that they don't need him anymore. the one that everybody wanted to see including schiff was the whistle-blower. once i released the text of what happened, the transcript, that was the end. everybody disappeared. so now there's no informer. there's no second whistle-blower. everybody's gone. and by the way, a guy like sondland, nobody ever says, he said very strongly that i said i want nothing and no quid pro quo. nobody says that.
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that's what he said. he said it in congress. nobody ever says that. so look, we're dealing with a lot of corrupt people. there was nothing done wrong. to use the power of impeachment on this nonsense is an embarrassment to this country. the president just said it. it's an embarrassment to our country. thank you very much, everybody. thank you very much. >> the president and his initial reaction to the impeachment vote in the house judiciary committee. we're talking about an historic event that happened earlier today after a 14-hour debate prolonged by republican parliamentary maneuvers and then cut off and regrouping this morning very quickly with two articles of impeachment approved on a party-line vote of 23-17. back with us now our panel, nbc's kristen welker at the white house, msnbc's chris matthews, host of "hardball" on
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msnbc, former cia director john brennan and bur correspondent kimberly atkins. we don't know whether rudy giuliani has met with the president yet today. most likely there's some sort of meeting on strategy going on. the president clearly put out by the vote and taking a very strong reaction against it. >> that's right, andrea. and you can sort of see the two sides of how the president views this. on the one hand, he doesn't like the fact that he is now the fourth president to have articles of impeachment voted out of the house committee. i want to be very specific with the language there because of course he would become the third president to be impeached if that does happen next week. we expect the full house to weigh in on it next week. but he doesn't like that from an historical perspective. i was traveling with him in london for the nato summit. he didn't like that that was
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hovering over his meetings with other world leaders there. this is something that bothers him on a very visceral level. on the other side, andrea, he understands the politics of it, the fact that once this goes to a senate trial, by all accounts he's going to be acquitted in the senate. it's not clear that any republicans are going to flip. and it certainly seems highly unlikely that 20 republicans would vote him out of office, which is what would be needed in order for him to actually be thrown out of office. he thinks that politically speaking at the end of this process it's going to be a win for him. he's using it already out on the campaign trail. we saw this earlier this week in pennsylvania when he took sharp aim at democrats for their impeachment proceedings. so i expect we're going to hear a lot more of this. he believes that if he is in fact acquitted that he will be emboldened by that as he heads into what will likely be a tough reelection year. as you say, andrea, rudy giuliani at the white house again today, we haven't been able to confirm that he was
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meeting with president trump but he's tweeting, not responding to text messages but he's tweeting there will be more damaging information that comes out based on his travels in ukraine, andrea. >> and kimberly atkins, already our hill team has come back with three front line democrats from tough districts who are saying they are going to vote for impeachment, three who are among those that are being whipped by kevin mccarthy and the republicans who are trying to peel off some democrats who are trying to weak een nancy pelosi hand and the democrats' hand. >> that was the one variable still outstanding, that you have -- >> we were talking tom o'halloran, potentially eight or nine. >> right, as many as eight or nine or at least a handful of democrats, the thought was they would not vote in favor of these impeachment articles when they come up next week. we already saw two democrats
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voted not to advance the inquiry at all. they're moderate democrats from tough districts, many of whom went to trump in the 2016 election, so there was a lot of pressure there. but by and large the democrats are very unified moving forward. we don't expect any republicans to vote in favor of impeachment. justin amash of course is no longer a republican, had he is expected to vote in favor. it's supposed to be more than enough, it would take 17 democrats to vote against it for it to not go through. so it's still a large majority. it shows there are still some struggles for some of these democrats. >> so far they're holding. >> so far they are. >> against the president. chris matthews, as we go to the senate, most likely after -- we expect that the vote from the full house floor would be on wednesday. they're wrapping up other things, doing the trade deal with mexico and canada. the president has the negotiation for part of the china trade deal which will
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lessen the pressure from tariffs, something he's bragging about already that would help the markets. they're also agreeing on a deal to fund the government, the government will not be shutting down on december 20th. they're packaged the impeachment vote, sandwiching it, if you will, between other floor votes that are actually showing that things can get done in washington. >> they're playing on the patriotism of people like nancy pelosi who will not -- you know, she's not going to scuttle the ship to get trunk. you've got a good pro-labor, pro-environmental nafta 2.01 or whatever. she's going to go for it. it's a democratic-leaning trade deal. she'll do the right thing. it's kind of mystifying that you get punished in this world for being good. in washington you never get in trouble for lying, just for telling the truth, saying something you shouldn't have said. pelosi is playing this straight all the way. she also in the interests of
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partisanship she wants to make sure nobody can say on the other side that the democrats sacrificed good legislation to get trump, that they really were able to operate on two tracks, walk and chew gum at the same time. i still think this election is going to come down to probably the people that swung to trump because of what comey did 11 days before the last election. if they swing back, the women in the suburbs, he loses. and i think everybody he alelse and the democrats have to pick a ticket that reflects their party. they also need to pick a ticket that reflects the party. i know i'm going beyond your question but i think about that all the time, can they pick a ticket that is sound, solid, patriotic, good for the center but can still excite the democratic base. that's always been the challenge. get the middle, get some republicans, women from the suburbs, and also keep the minority vote, the base of the party excited. this is going to call for some genius in a party that's not too ingenious lately.
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i think of biden/harris, i think of interesting tickets that could maybe do the deal. i think trump is very, very beatable this time around. >> he is obviously feeling vulnerable on impeachment, but very strong on the economy, john brennan. the economy still looks like it is holding. i want to ask you about politics, but i want to ask you about our place in the world and there are continuing concerns by what's been exposed. >> that oval office footage is a good example of why donald trump is the world's greatest snake oil salesman. he is totally unprincipled and doesn't care about telling untruths and knowingly lying to the american people, continuing to dispense with the facts and harp on issues that resonate with his base. the world is looking at the united states right now not only with wonder but also with
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wariness in terms of where is the united states going from a values, from a morals, from a legal standpoint. i think they've always looked to washington to at least be that stable, you know, rock, in sometimes a very turbulent world. it no longer is. particularly with the polarization and the deep, deep partisan divide, they know this will hurt our ability to carry out affairs of state that are so important not just to our national security but peace and stability around the world. >> chris matthews, we'll see you at 7:00 eastern on "hardball." thank you all so much. joining me now, geoff bennett on capitol hill and "washington post"'s ashley parker. geoff, today's votes and also some fact checking on what the president just said about nancy pelosi. >> andrea, it struck me as a little curious when the president suggested that the house speaker the other day slipped up and suggested that the impeachment inquiry has actually lasted the entire
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length of his term. turns out, and our team has fact checked this, he completely misrepresented the house speaker's comments. she was asked a question, she was asked to respond, this was during a press conference last week, where another one of our hill reporter colleagues asked her to respond to this criticism from republicans that the impeachment inquiry, that the factfinding process has been too fast, too swift. she said in fact the fact-finding has stretched on longer than that to include the russia investigation, to include the mueller report, to include the judiciary committee's own investigation of robert mueller's findings. she was not suggesting that impeachment itself had lasted longer than that. and in fact if you remember, there was a time, it's hard to remember now but there was a time when the house speaker wouldn't even use the phrase "impeachment inquiry" because she was opposed to it and she thought that to say that phrase would legitimize it. it wasn't until the end of september where she formally embraced the impeachment inquiry
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and that kicked in motion the process at least on the house side that's about to end. and so when you heard chris matthews in your previous segment say that on this you really have to take her at her word, i think he's right in part because democrats have expended a metric ton of political capital on this impeachment thing knowing that it would not result in the thing that impeachment is meant to do and that's remove a president from office. they knew months ago, they've known for a long time clearly that they would not have, it seems, the 20 republican senate votes that they would need to cobble together to get that 67 super majority. so on this, and the speaker has said that the ukraine scandal, the ukrainian gambit changed things entirely in her mind. to her mind that was an impeachable offense that was the kind of thing that the framers cared so much about, andrea. >> and ashley parker, the president clearly -- i don't even know how to characterize his activity on twitter these last few days as this was all
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playing out. that was really how he was reacting to it, more than 100 tweets a day or retweets, day after day, expressing his anger over what was going on. >> yeah, watching the president's twitter feed and his public comments, you really get a sense of the emotional churn he's grappling with on impeachment. as he said at that rally in hershey, pennsylvania the other day that there was a silver lining and as he said in those remarks you showed, he thinks that may help him politically. he may be right own that. but this is also a president who is deeply upset with impeachment, he understands it's a black mark on his place in history, on his legitimacy, which he cares so much about. that's why you were seeing those angry, frenetic tweets, those angry public comments. the president is often best when he has a foil. that foil is impeachment. so he's angry but he's also
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invigorated. the real question is what happens when it's over, does he sort of move forward to finish his presidency unencumbered or does he go back to brooding and some of those more self-destructive tendencies we've seen from him before. >> ashley, when you look towards mitch mcconnell and what we're seeing prospectively, the house vote takes place on the floor next week, he's not going to have difficult of getting 51 votes to close off testimony, a week for the democrats to open, a week for the republicans to respond, and then no witnesses, and go back to business. >> not at all. and that's what you're seeing, you're seeing leader mcconnell try to get support for that. he has that support, it seems like, from his members. he's trying to bring the white house on board. and i was talking to some republicans who say they're hearing somewhat contradictory things from the president. the president on the one hand is
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open to the idea of a short trial. this isn't necessarily a good thing for him. on the flip side, as you just said, in the oval office, he's also open to the idea of a longer trial because he would love to hear from the whistle-blower, he would love to hear from joe biden and his son hunter, and that is exactly what mitch mcconnell wants to avoid because as he told his members in a closed-door lunch, that would be mutually assured destruction. if the leader gets his way, it will be short, it will be disciplined and then congress will move on. >> ashley parker, geoff bennett, thanks, both, to you. coming up, brexit signs. british prime minister boris johnson winning a big victory on brexit. when would britain leave the eu? and how? a live report from london, coming up next right here on msnbc. tax-smart investing, what's new? -audrey's expecting... -twins! ♪ we'd be closer to the twins.
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we pulled it off. we broke the deadlock. we ended the gridlock. we smashed the roadblock. and in this glorious, glorious pr pre-brexit moment, as a new dawn rises on the new government. >> joining me now is nbc global correspondent bill neely in london. whatever happens next, whatever way they leave the eu, bill, it's going to be difficult. and down the road, big pitfalls to come. >> reporter: correct, andrea. you know, boris johnson's catchy phrase was "get brexit done." but now, as you say, the hard part. a trade deal with the european union. boris johnson imagines, believes he may get that done by the end of next year. no trade deal has ever been done
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that quickly, especially with the world's biggest trading bloc. and a trade deal with the u.s., president trump has been tweeting about that today, saying they want it, it could be massive, it could be bigger than anything with the european union. but look, america, under trump's catch phrase, is "america first." this isn't going to be an easy trade deal for boris johnson. the hard part starts now. but let's pause and get this into perspective, andrea, because boris johnson's victory was spectacular. it's as if, for example, donald trump took not just pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan, but swept massachusetts as well and swept california into his back pocket for good measure. an absolutely extraordinary win, down to, number one, brexit, and as you said, number two, jeremy corbyn, a socialist, almost
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marxist leader who in the end convinced almost absolutely no one. i wonder if there are lessons in the british result because voters here have held their noses, voters who are -- let's call them democrats. they've held their noses and voted for a conservative who is deeply, deeply flawed as opposed to voting for their own tribal candidate who is of the far left. i wonder, is bernie sanders today, is elizabeth warren looking at what happened in britain and wondering if their kinds of policies actually work, because the center in britain went to the right in this election in a big way. >> bill, you know, it's such an insight there, because i was told last night, i was over at the british embassy talking to people there as the votes were
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being evidence assessed, even i blair's own constituency, a mining area, a solid labor area, that went tory for the first time ever. and there's also -- >> reporter: extraordinary, yes. >> -- another shoe to drop from scotland. scotland may try and break away. will the united kingdom remain united? >> reporter: that's a very good question. the one big winner in this election is boris johnson, but the other is nationalism. english nationalism showed its teeth. the scottish nationalists did extremely well and they will now be pushing for an independence referendum for scotland which by the way, boris johnson says no way, he's not going to do that. in northern ireland the
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nationalists won more votes and seats than unionists for the first time in history, and that could open a discussion about a united ireland which could pull northern ireland out of the uk. this certainly means brexit, no it's or but's, this is a divorce from the european union now. >> bill neely, thank you so much for taking time with us today, we appreciate it. with me now, neera tanden, former senior adviser to sena r president obama and senator clinton, and michael steel, former spokesman for newt gingrich. >> i want to know why neera was nodding. >> i think what happened, at least from some of the
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original -- some of the reports in england is that labor got squeezed on both ends. it lost its traditional counties and areas in the deindustrialized part of britain and also was not able to make that up with some of the votes they got in 2017 which was in higher income places. i think what's happened in the united states is, as you saw in 2016, democrats were weaker in the deindustrialized places but in 2018 they made those votes up and actually surpassed them in suburbs. there are very big differences between corbyn and politics here, he had personal challenges. but putting together a coalition that's suburban and not just urban is really important for 2020. >> rick, you can also see some real parallels between boris johnson and donald trump.
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>> as you just said, boris johnson has assembled a unique coalition that doesn't happen very often. he's peeled off a lot of the labor vote to, as bill neely said, hold their nose and vote for him. donald trump is the same thing in 2016. the democrats did make it up in 2018 but it may be unique to donald trump in that people are willing to vote for him but still vote democrat in the congressional races. so this time when everybody is up, we'll see how they split up. >> i wanted to show some of the anger by doug collins after they had delayed the votes on articles of impeachment for 14 hours, throwing everything they could to gum up the works, they were furious with what they viewed as a sneak attack, with no warning jerry nadler said we're not going to vote this at midnight so you can say we had a midnight secret vote. >> the integrity level of this committee, the chairman's integrity is gone, his staff is gone. this was the most bush league
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thing i have seen forever. words cannot describe how inappropriate this was, how i had been saying for the whole year how this committee is ramming the rules of this house. i am just beyond words at this point. but it shows their lack of integrity in this process. this is the problem. this is why people don't like us. this crap like this is why people are having such a terrible opinion of congress. >> i'm not sure that that crap is why people don't like congress. >> can i just say, having people work on a friday, i think most americans think that's your job, is to actually have a full workweek. >> did you have a flight home? >> i remember when republicans, one of the major talking points about democrats was how whiney they are, right? that is about the whiniest of members that i've ever seen. and, you know, nadler didn't want to give them a vote at midnight and so he didn't. it's one of the privileges of
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being in the majority. >> i think what we've seen, even that demonstration is, i think the strategy of republicans is to make this as much of a circus so people tune away, turn it off, and try to exit it. i think they do create a chaos machine were people take away from the seriousness of the moment. at the end of the day i think they won't have much impact. >> i agree with what joe scarborough said this morning, republicans should have made it more of a circus. instead of just having two nebulous impeachment articles, one of which is against congress which people don't like, just start listing all the things that donald trump did that are impeachable. >> the democrats. >> right. we go week after week after week and they decided not to do that. >> we're going to see how this plays out on the house floor but something tells me it's not going to be any more dignified than what we saw yesterday. rick tyler, neera tanden, ending
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the week with you is great, thank you very much. coming up, rudy awakening. the president's personal lawyer rudy giuliani showing up at the white house just days after his visit to ukraine. and moments before the house judiciary vote on impeachment. great timing, rudy. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ports" oc and i'm still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'll go for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. what's next? sharing my roots. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding,
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as the house judiciary committee was taking that historic impeachment vote against president trump this morning, the president's personal lawyer rudy giuliani was walking into the white house alongside his son andrew who works at the white house as a trump aide. this as "the wall street journal" reports that as rudy giuliani's plane was taxiing down the runway after returning from ukraine to dig up dirt on the bidens. it says the president asked, what did you get? his response, more than you can imagine. jeff mason and joyce vance join me. jeff, you were in the oval office during the press opportunity today. let's
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office today. >> well, that was on my list of questions and i tried to get it in. the president did not take too many questions today. i would say just looking at his mood, he did not seem super angry. it was interesting he emphasized a couple of different things during the remarks with us. it is bad for the country, impeachment but appears to be good for him politically. that shows some confidence on his part that he believes his polls number are going up and his fund raising have gone up dramatically for his campaign. he wanted to show he was working on other business when that vote happen happened. he said he was wrapping up the china trade deal during that vote. that was another part of his strategy to show while democrats are working on something he considers a sham, he's trying to show the country he's doing more important things.
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>> and joy vance, there is parnas that rudy was seen together with the president. now, the sdny discovers that parnas got a million dollars from amos c moscow bank account. he did not disclose that. the judge scheduled a review of his bail for next tuesday. prosecutors are saying he's a real flight risk. >> that's right, andrea, parnas really brought this on himself. he made a motion asking the court to give him more leenient condition of release and in viewing that, prosecutors made the incredible discovery that parnas received this large sum of money which he failed to disclose. he made inconsistent statements
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overtime to prosecutors and documenting his resources. he of course speaks foreign languages fluently and travels out the country at least once a month. prosecutors are asking to take him into custody and trial. the remarkable framing is parnas works for rudy giuliani and works for a law enforcement that's involved in this administration and self-identified as a member of the team and shows up in numerous photographs with the vice president, here we have rudy today returning from a trip where he's gathering information to meet with the president and apparently announcing through the phone call. >> jeff, i did want to ask you about michelle obama coming to the defense of greta thunberg
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who's the time of the year and that choice was made because of her work and advocacy and climate change. she's a 16 years old girl who has said, you know, she's on the spectrum, she's got asperger's. michelle obama is coming to her defense because president trump slammed her on twitter. all over the world, you have so much to offer us. millions of people are cheering you on. for some reason it is hard to fath fathom, the president went after this young girl and becomes such like an iconic reader of the climate movement saying so ridiculous that the "time" chose her.
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you wonder of the bullying movement by first lady melania trump, how she feels the president taking on the 16 years old child. >> michelle obama is strategic when she weighed in. she really has been watching it and number two, it shows she and president obama really cares about climate change. mrs. obama made work with young girls and young women, the highlight of her time in the public's sphere, certainly the years she has left the white house. that's consistent of what she's done for some time. it strikes back of the tone from that tweet which the president used which she describes. jeff mason and joy vance, thank you so much. senator chris van holland is
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ahhhh! -ahhhh! elliott. you came back! thanks so much for being with us. have a great weekend, that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online, facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. here is ali velshi for "velshi & ruhle." >> hello everybody. coming up this hour, the
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judiciary committee approves two articles of impeachment against president trump. senator chris van holland joins us what comes next. after months of negotiations, there is an end insight of president trump's trade war. what it means for the american economy and a sweeping victory for boris johnson in the latest round of elections. why it means we could soon see brexit. let's start with washington. the house judiciary committee has officially approved articles of impeachment against the president of the united states. after hours of deliberations, the committee voted along party lines, 23 democrats to 17 republicans, bringing congress one step closer to impeaching president trump. something that's only been done twice before in u.s. history. the articles move to the full house of representatives where there will be
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