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good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, abuse of power and obstruction of congress. those are two of the articles of impeachment against president trump that were passed by the house judiciary committee this week. next, the articles go to the full house of representatives for a floor vote in the next few days. the drama in washington shows a deep political divide with a chorus of republicans still
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united behind the president, still denying the facts, and still adamant that impeaching president trump will backfire. meanwhile, democrats argue impeachment is imperative to protect the democracy and the integrity of next year's election. and those they're after. one thing is certain, president trump is on his way to being impeached, and even though this has been the likely outcome since the process began, it is still a historic moment in time. also tonight, the stage is now set for next week's democratic presidential debate. seven candidates qualified to participate in the televised event. but despite aggressive spending in his short-lived campaign, billionaire candidate michael bloomberg didn't make the cut. later in the show i'll ask his campaign manager, bob, why he
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feels debating is not all that necessary. later, after another deadly shooting this week in new jersey, it's time to revisit why our country is seeing such a rise in violent hate crimes, many of which are aimed at the jewish community. we'll get to that and more, but let's begin with impeachment. once the house successfully votes on the articles put forth, the process moves to the senate for a trial where all 100 senators will serve as jurors. one of them joins me now, democratic senator ben cardin of maryland. he's also an esteemed member of the foreign relations committee. senator, thanks for joining us. >> al, it's good to be with you, thanks. >> senator, as this -- assuming the articles of impeachment are voted on by the house and it is,
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in fact, an impeachment and it goes to trial before you and your colleagues, what will you be looking for? because some of your colleagues have already said they're not voting for impeachment or removal. they've already made up their mind. have you made up your mind, and if not, what will you be looking for? >> al, these are very serious charges. the charges are the president of the united states used his office to get a foreign power to interfere in our elections. and then the president obstructed the congressional investigation into these matters. we saw in the house where the republicans did everything they could to distract from the underlining facts of the allegations. what concerns me, the senate will have a trial. we should allow for the appropriate presentations of witnesses, particularly as it relates to the president's role in all of this. i am concerned because the majority leader, the republican
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leader has indicated he's going to work with the defense lawyers rather than work for an impartial trial. so what i'm looking for is an impartial trial where we can look at the facts and stick to the facts and carry our constitutional responsibilities but clearly these charges are extremely serious. >> now, what the majority leader, who is a juror, a member of the senate already saying that he has already decided that he's against this, he's going to vote and others are going to vote that there's no grounds of impeachment or no grounds of removal here. does that discredit the outcome? because right now the upper chamber of congress is composed of 45 democrats, two independents, and 53 republicans. if democrats hope to remove trump, they'll need something close to a miracle. as two-thirds vote in the senate is required for a conviction.
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but even if they fail to get that, is it not discrediting the outcome if you already have the majority leader, who is a member of the senate, one of the jurors saying in advance i'm voting "no," it doesn't matter what the evidence is presented during the trial? >> he's not only a juror who needs to keep his views in check until he's listened to all the facts and allow the managers on the part of the house to present their case, call the witnesses they think are important for us to hear, allow the president and his defense, would welcome listen to the key people that were involved in the transactions in ukraine have to say under oath before the senate. that would be an important moment. but not only has he prejudged this, the majority leader, but he's also the key person in
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determining the procedures that will be used in the united states senate during this trial, and he raises serious questions whether he will be objective in carrying out the responsibilities of the senate or whether he's going to try to stack the deck in favor of the president. >> now, to further make that point, he's a key figure in procedures and unlike when we saw the trial of william jefferson clinton, whether the majority leader and the minority leader worked together in a joint fashion, we're told that the majority leader mcconnell has not done so thus far with minority leader schumer. so not only is he many, many ways reflected that he's showing some kind of bias and collaboration with the white house and the defendant here, which is the president, he's not even cooperating or having some kind of shared discussions so
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far with the minority leader to even act like there'll be a balance on whatever it is that he's being told, instructed, or corroborating and collaborating with the white house on. >> it would certainly be best for the united states senate and for the reputation of the senate for both the democratic and republican leader to agree on the process, that is, the length of the trial, what witnesses will be called, and the procedures that will be used. but you are absolutely correct. it's our understanding as of the latter part of this week there really hasn't been that consultation by the majority leader with the democratic leader. that's very unfortunate. it's not the way the process should work. we should at least be able to agree on a process, giving the managers on the part of the house their opportunity to present their case, and also giving the president the opportunity to present his defense. that's what we should do.
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we should listen to the testimonies, we should have the opportunity to hear from the key witnesses, those that were involved in the direct contact between the president and the ukrainians as it related to aid, the white house visit, those issues that the allegations are that they were held up in order for the president of ukraine to do a political favor for the president. we should be able to hear that in an objective setting, and it looks like at this stage there hasn't been that type of consultation in working with the majority leader with the democrats. >> now, if the majority leader helps to set the process, he's the guiding hand in the process, he's not talking with the minority leader, the democratic leader chuck schumer chu, and h saying publicly he is coordinating with the white house, how can you proceed if the rules are, in fact, compromised or obtaintainted in
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way, the rules and the process itself may, in fact, be stacked in a way that does not lead to a real trying of the facts and to a just conclusion. >> well, i still hold out hope that majority leader mcconnell will recognize that the united states senate, this is our constitutional responsibility. each of us needs to take this obligation seriously, and we need to develop a process that's fair to all parties and who will work with senator schumer on an appropriate set of rules for this trial f. he doesn't do that, i think he really will be compromising the reputation of the senate as it relates to this constitutional responsibility. >> five of your senate colleagues are running for president. are you worried about them pulling double duty? >> no, not at all. their responsibility as a senator, they need to be there. they will be there. this is one of our most
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important responsibilities as a united states senator. they know that. i'm very confident that they will devote their full attention to the impeachment process and that once the house is acted, they recognize their responsibilities to be in the united states senate. >> have you in conversations with some of the republicans in the senate, do you get a sense from any of them that they may, in fact, be open and could possibly vote against the drive of the majority leader and the wishes of the president and go against the president if they hear the evidence is there? >> al, there's been some reported in the house of representatives -- the republican leader has been whipping our members to vote against the articles of impeachment, whereas nancy pelosi has said, look, each member has to make their own decision here. this is a critically important responsibility for each member
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of congress both in the house to vote impeachment and if they do vote impeachment, the senate to vote for or against the establishment of the impeachment articles. so it's not something that you want to sit down with members and say, you know, you should vote one way or the other, but i hope all of our members exercise their independent judgment on this. you got to determine whether the house establishes the facts, although i must tell you the facts have been -- the republicans haven't been contested the underlining facts. whether it elevates to an impeachable offense, that should be what we need to do and we should take that obligation as independent members of congress, and we should not be pressured to have to do something because the republican leader says that he wants to see all republicans vote the same way. >> all right. i'll have to leave it there. maryland senator ben cardin,
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thank you for being with us. coming up, michael bloomberg is spending a lot of money on his 2020 campaign, but he still won't be on the debate stage in five days will it matter? but first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. richard? >> hey, rev. stories we're watching this hour. protests have erupted across the united kingdom despite prime minister boris johnson's call to let the healing begin from the divisions of beckett and the vote that happened this week. this comes following his conservative party's landslide victory in thursday's general election. the conservatives won their largest majority since margaret thatcher was in office, while the labour party showed its worst showing in 80 years. in north korea another successful crucial test at its long-range rocket site overnight. this is the second test this week. it comes as kim jong-un regime pressures the trump administration over an end of the year deadline to salvage nuclear negotiations. in new zealand police
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confirmed another has died following an eruption at the white island volcano bringing the death toll to 15. divers continue their search for the remains of two victims still not yet recovered. the bodies of six others have already been found on the island. more "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton after the break. what are you doing back there, junior?
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on wednesday. so far one house democrat, new jersey's jeff van drew, has already gone on the record as a "no" vote. beyond van drew, sources close to house republicans say they're targeting around eight other house democrats who are on the fence to break ranks with their party. that handful is part of a larger group of democrats who won their seats at the midterms in districts trump won back in 2016. joining me now, lauren zeallt, d danielle moodie-mills, cohost of the podcast "democracyish." let me start with you, lauren. if, in fact, the republicans in the senate vote in total against impeachment, which would stop the conviction and the removal,
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and they do so perceived as already set up by the majority leader saying he already knows how he's voting even before the evidence, does that not discredit the outcome of the vote, and discredit some of those senators who are openly not acting as jurors, but they're really acting as people that just rubber stamp this president? >> you know, i think it's certainly a concern for gop senators that are up in 2020 in purple states for sure. it's something that they have to think about as they go into the election. this map has never been favorable for republicans, so i think if you're a republican senator from a purple state and you're looking it does vote and possibly even if you're up in 2022, it's something that you have to consider. it's also -- what my hope is for the republican senators is i hope that they do consider the evidence before them. i hope they consider themselves
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americans first and they look at what is being presented and they vote on their conscience. it's not easy in politics. i don't know that any of them are even going to do it, gllt doesn't mean they shouldn't even think about it. >> danielle, we saw senator ben cardin on this show, that nancy pelosi in the house has told her caucus members that are going to vote in the full session on these two articles of impeachment to vote your conscience, vote what you think is right. what you contrast that with what mcconnell already saying this is how i'm voting, we are talking about, did she whether or not we like donald trump is not what we're discussing here. >> right. >> whether or not we think the party of one is over the other. we're talking about whether or not a president abused power by holding approved congressional of the united states funds to a country that is in battle with russia.
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and told them i'll release it in so many words, certainly indeed, and certainly communicated by others, it will be released if you interfere with a u.s. election. that's what we're talking about. >> yeah. >> and we're talking about him in contempt of congress by withholding evidence, documents, witnesses and all. this is what we're talking about. so whatever happens here will have serious ramifications going forward in american history because we will in effect saying any u.s. president can use a foreign power by even extortion to impact a u.s. election. do you think that people and the american people have really understood what's at stake here? and have the democrats really laid out that message directly? >> you know, you're absolutely right, rev. here's the thing. republicans are incredibly shortsighted in this moment. they are thinking about donald trump and donald trump only. they are not thinking about our democracy moving forward or who else is going to occupy the
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white house following donald trump. he is a criminal. we know that. we know that he said can you do me a favor, though, to zelensky instead of giving him the 380 plus million dollars worth of aid in wartime, right? because he knew that it was going to benefit putin and he knew it was going to benefit himself. the fact that republicans and mitch mcconnell went on fox news this week and said, oh, we're going to be lock step with the president. we're going to be lock and step with the white house. >> who is the defendant? >> right. so he's not even open to an actual trial and republicans showed those in the house showed they don't care about facts, that the truth is something that they are even considering, that they are only going to use the russian talking points that they have been provided in order to keep donald trump in office. and i have to say this, that if donald trump is not impeachable, if he does not receive the trial that is necessary and that mitch mcconnell decides he's just going to exonerate him, that our democracy falls. we are watching our democracy
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fall day in and day out. michelle goldberg's piece this week in "the new york times" talking about democracy grief, that is what we are suffering. it is like watching a loved one, a parent slowly waste away and you feel like you are powerless to do anything about it. but i have to tell the american people, we do have power. it is called our vote. our vote would not be considered so important if they didn't try to steal it all the time. the reason why republicans work so hard to try to steal the american people's vote is because they know that it matters so we need to show up. that's the only recourse we have now because we know what mitch mcconnell is going to do. >> lauren, when we look at the fact that the republicans have not even argued the facts. they've really argued with a lot of name-calling, a lot of hysteria, but they have not addressed the actual facts. and then we're told by the president and those that are surrounding him, but it will backfire, it may be good politically for the president.
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will this be good for the president? will this be good for those senate candidates? and does that really matter if you are compromising the future of the democracy that we call how we run this country? one doesn' one, does it matter, and, two, is it a thought-out political plan because it doesn't necessarily have to benefit him politically as well as those senate candidates that you say are vulnerable >> right. well, you have some republicans in the house especially that are not only not denying the facts, they're challenging them when they are proven facts, they are out there. that is deeply concerning. and i do agree with my fellow guest in talking about that we are looking at a very serious and very scary time in our american democracy. i don't deny that. what's happening in our country
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right now, people are tearing each other apart and it's got to stop. but the way that i think that it does stop is that -- as my fellow guest said, that you use the elections, that you elect the candidate that you want to represent you in the white house, in the congress, and in the senate. now, what i think politically about this is i think that there's a reason that nancy pelosi was initially hesitant on impeachment for a long time because i do think it can backfire on democra backfire on democrats. >> danielle, i'm out of time, but the back firing can only be if people turn out is your point, and if we don't impediments they're using their vote properly. >> if people don't vote, then it will backfire . if people show up en masse, we have obama-level turnout, we'll win. coming up, president trump is jealous, but you're not going to believe of whom. that's next.
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we see your spark in each nod, each smile, we see sparks in every aisle. we see you find a hidden gem, and buying diapers at 3am. we see your kindness and humanity. the strength of each community. we've seen more sparks than we can say. about 20 million just yesterday. the more we look the more we find, the sparks that make america shine.
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has been well-documented and it makes sense, seeing as president obama was all the things you are not, a captivating or tore, who is beloved by americans, respected by world leaders, and an actual winner of both the popular vote and the electoral college. this week your jealousy reached a new and pathetic level when you tweeted angrily at a 16-year-old anti-climate activist, "time" magazine person of the year, greta thunberg, telling her her to, quote, work on her anger management program and chill. because she is more balanced than you are, she responded with humor and moved quickly. her light-hearted response highlights another aspect of a character that you should be envious of, her ability to make a joke after being targeted by one of the most powerful people
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in the world. meanwhile, you threaten retribution because alec baldwin parodied you on a television show. do you know why greta thunberg gets the respect and praise you so desperately crave? because she focuses on the work of stopping cliermate change, taking the media attention off herself and directing it to her cause a completely foreign concept to you. meanwhile, you are pursuing childish nonsense like space force and rubbing elbows with russians in the oval office and tweeting so prolifically, you're probably getting carpal tunnel. and all the while you're being impeached for our egregious abuse of power, inviting a foreign country to interfere in our elections on your behalf because you're scared you can't win without cheating. it's fitting your campaign's
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two criteria this week. though one candidate who made a big splash entering the race last month will be noticeably absent from the event, former new york city mayor michael bloomberg. here with me now, campaign manager for bloomberg 2020 presidential campaign, kevin chiccy. kevin, debates are not important to your strategy? >> i think debates are an important part of the process. mike got into this campaign less than three weeks ago. that's important to remember. it will be three weeks tomorrow that he got into this campaign. the dnc had its rules around what the qualifications would be. there are seven candidates who are in that. eight are actually not. mike is one of eight that won't be on the debate stage this week. what we told the dnc is we'll be respectful of those rules. when they change, we're going to be honored to participate. >> will there be a point where you will try to meet those rules or are you going to wait to see
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if the rules change? >> mike is going to finance his own campaign. mike doesn't believe in taking money from anyone. he wants to be free of self-interest. >> you can do that when you're worth $54 billion. >> you can. you can do a lot of things. and i think -- listen, you saw what mike was like in city hall. he always financed his own campaigns. he was the most honest government new york city had. i don't mean there were criminals before or after us, but you're not beholden to what anyone gave you a nickel needs to do. i served in congress for ten years. i ran congressional campaigns. those campaigns raised money. you do make sacrifices. and mike is simply free not to make those sacrifices. >> the fact is you're running a national campaign already on the air waves. you can't go anywhere without seeing a bloomberg commercial. are you establishing a new model for running for president, running a national campaign
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rather than a state-to-state primary-to-primary campaign? >> in my view this is the first national campaign since 1960 when john f. kennedy ran. we're in a system now where we let skbiowa and new hampshire p our candidates. you're hearing that the race is essentially over after those two states occur. there are four early primary states, nevada and south carolina. but it's a real problem, it's a problem for us as a party as well. thinking about it. we have 24 candidates or so who spend a year, raise money from all over the country, they take that money and invest it in iowa, open offices, hire field staff, run commercials, they knock on doors. they know that electorate. one thing that every democratic or republican pollster will tell you is that swoi likely to vote for donald trump in november. so while we're in iowa, where's donald trump? sarah sanders and vice president pence were brain storming.
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donald trump was holding rallies in hershey, pennsylvania, this week. no democratic candidate has passed through there. we've been in this campaign less than three weeks, but we are already running ads in 14 states trying to get people up and running. we'll be down in north carolina tomorrow, a swing state, an important state to win. mike will pledge tomorrow not only to open that office in charlotte but keep it open through november. >> now, the black vote. you're going to have to deal with stop and frisk, something that mayor bloomberg and i fought on. though, in fairness, we worked together on education reform with president obama and other issues. a recent quinnipiac poll shows michael bloomberg is currently fourth in the democratic field in terms of black support, ahead of others, but he's nearly 50 points away from joe biden. how does your boss plan to cut into that lead? >> i think there are a few
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things. he's one of the most decent public servants i've met. he's been doing this a long time. you did vastly more than you just said. mike got up last week to speak in front of a group of democrats and the guy who introduced him said i'm from new york, i grew up in new york, i was there when michael bloomberg took office. he saved new york from rudy giuliani in 2001, and, boy, i hope he saves the country from rudy giuliani today. there was a real change that happened. listen, there's been a lot of focus on stop and frisk practice that michael bloomberg ended before he left office. but mike working with you and others also reduced incarceration by 39% in new york city while it rose 6% nationally. he reduced juvenile detention by half. and he created the ymi, the first city program really focused on african-american youth who were discriminated against on health care, education, on the criminal justice system. no city had ever done that, and
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you were with michael bloomberg at the white house when obama adopted that program and expanded his version in 250 cities around the country. >> yeah, but it's still going to take more than one speech. >> no question. it's going to take a long time for people to understand the totality of who mike is. listen, the lord looks at us and he looks at the totality of who we are. you know, you remember better than anybody else that racial division when mike bloomberg took office in 2002. and you also remember the tragic things that happened in this city when mike was in office, things that you pray at night would never happen, but do. you saw bloomberg did something that mayors had not done for 50 years, which is walk into the homes of people whose sons were shot by cops and apologize on behalf of the city and walk into the churches. upper hudge part of him doing that, but that was different.
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listen, we know it didn't happen with rudy, but it didn't happen anywhere. mike working with you and lots of other leaders in this city really demonstrated what new york city could be at its best over those years. new york city led the nation. listen, you talked about education. during mike's years in office, the graduation rate of african-americans was at an all-time peak, young african-american men and women. and the gap between whites and asians and blacks and latinos shrunk to a record zoe you've covered a lot of stuff. we will have time to debate it throughout the campaign, believe me. you know i will. bloomberg campaign manager kevin chiccy, thank you for being with us. tomorrow on "politicsnation" we'll have a surrogate for pete buttigieg's campaign. join us from south bend, indiana. they will be joining us to make the case for the black vote for mayor pete. up next, another week, another deadly hate crime in
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shooting in jersey city, new jersey. people have tracked down a white van they believe may be linked to the shooters and are examining it for possible evidence. six people are dead, will you go clug the suspected shooters who opened fire at a carboner store and it is believed the two shooters were connected to an anti-semitic black he brew israelite group. because of that, the isn't being investigated as a hate crime. and a report from 2018 says hate crimes rose 61%. here with me now is ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league, jonathan greenblat. thank you for coming back on the show. certainly the circumstances, neither one of us are happy with. >> no. >> why are we seeing such a rise in hate crimes, many directed at the jewish community? if you talk about charlottesville all the way to what happened in jersey city, what's going on?
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>> i think you're asking the right question tonight. shabbat ended just a few minutes ago, so you're going to have jewish families in mourning tonight in jersey city paying their respects for the deceased who were killed. and you're right to point out that from charlottesville to pittsburgh to poway, now to jersey city, and you have el paso in there as well and even christchurch. these aren't outliers, they are data points on a through line on the rise of violent extremism. the charge of political violence has something to do with it. people are on edge. but the people who committed this crime, they were not white nationalists. this was a radical secretary of people who committed this heinous crime because they wanted to kill jews. >> no matter who they are, whether they are radical secretary, black, or white nationalists, we are seeing people that have become deadly.
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>> yes. >> i know the governor of new jersey brought together a body of all religions and races the other day. are we seeing enough unity to fight this back that has targeted blacks and latinos and gays and jews? >> no doubt. so we're living in a moment where marginalized communities are under threat and they're all feeling the pain of this. i was with governor murphy yesterday, the mayor, and senator menendez. jersey city is a diverse community. there is diversity in that community. and to see muslim and hindu and christian and baptist and jewish leaders come together, that matters. and we need to keep in mind even in the jewish community there's that kind of diversity. we have african-american jews in our community. we have ethiopia beyond tjews.
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we beat this with love. >> we're out of time, but what is your appeal as the ceo of the anti-defamation league after this tragic event and the litany of events that has happened across the board? what is your appeal? >> first and foremost, i want leaders to lead, whether they are elected officials, whether they're political candidates, whether they're business leaders, faith leaders, everybody has to lock arms right now. that's the best defense, and call out anti-semitism when we see it because it is indeed a very real threat. >> jonathan greenblat, ceo of the anti-defamation league. thank you for being with us. now i want you to to listen to reaction to this incident by president trump followed by the mayor of jersey city. take a listen. >> with one heart america weeps for the lives lost. with one voice we vow to crush the monstrous evil of anti-semitism. >> it's hard to argue anything other than this person or these people being motivated by angry
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and hate towards jews. >> and the mayor of jersey city will be on our show tomorrow to talk about this hate crime. now i'd like to bring? howard tisch, former president of the american jewish congress, new york region, and a national action network board member. howard, i want to talk to you because when you were over the region for the american jewish congress, worked with mayor deng kins, the first black mayor of new york,ostomy you worked with others and you've been arguing for decades that communities need to come together when blacks are targeted, when muslims are targeted, when jews are targeted, when gays are targeted. and this need for this kind of collective response shouldn't take a lot of courage. it's just what we should be about if we claim to be who we say we are. >> in milan they just had a lot
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of trouble, as in parts of europe. france and other places. and they had a major march with the sense of hatred has no future. and i think that's the commitment we got to have here. we can do it. i remember, rev, when -- when -- killed on the brooklyn bridge, you were the second call i got and said this is too far. we got to do something. and i think it was one of the first gatherings of the imams and jewish leaders that we pulled together. there's no reason -- in fact, it's inexcusable that it continues this way. and -- and, yes, i think there is something that we can do. and we must do right now. and calling out and speaking and reaching out to each other. we need to have -- we need to have brotherhood and sisterhood. >> now, why do you think people are being clearly more emboldened now to come out with this kind of behavior? >> because it is -- it's an interesting time in america.
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there is an increased tension. that's going on. it's been going on for a number of years. and i think we just -- there -- there are times of transformation and taking stock of things. i think we've gotten to a point, for us, jersey city, was important. i just heard that the mayor, yesterday, said with all the ammunition and everything, they thought that they were going to go next door and had in mind taking out 50 children. >> at a school right next door. >> at the school next door. so it's not just the store. it's -- it's this devastating sense of what can happen in -- in our world right now. so it's not a question of if we can do it. it's a question that we must. of -- of synagogues reaching out to churches. churches reaching out to synagogues and mosques. and everybody standing up and -- and do i believe in it? yeah, i've devoted years to this belief. >> now, as you see these things continue to happen, you also have been part of trying to
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escalate that coming together no matter who the victim, no matter who the assailants are. and i think that that's why i wanted to have you on the show because you, more than anyone i know, have tried to do that even when you were criticized because there are issues that we vehemently disagreed between communities. but none of us disagree that we can't have this kind of hatred become deadly. and there's no issues that we can disagree that does -- that justifies us being disagreeable. >> and one of the wonderful parts of -- i must say the first meeting that i was at the board meeting of national action network is to see the kind of leadership that you've put together with that group. nationally. reverends and corporate people and others who are committed to justice. but justice in the way of really standing with others and joining together. it's something that people don't know, necessarily, about you. but that i discovered more and more not only knowing you but seeing at that meeting. >> well, i was glad that in
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2017, we had called for thousands of clergy to march together. and 300 rabbis joined our march. and i think the best thing to do is to show it, don't just talk about it. and we need to do a lot more of both. >> time to do it again. >> that's right. we need to do it again. howard teich. thank you. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. thoughts stay with us one of the products i helped develop was a softer, more secure diaper closure. as a mom, i knew it had to work. there were babies involved... and they weren't saying much. i envisioned what it's like for babies to have diapers around them. that's what we do at 3m, we listen to people, even those who don't have a voice. at the end of the day, we are people helping people.
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order to restore voting rights to more than 100,000 residents. by doing so, he ended the state's policy of permanently removing voting rights from people convicted of crimes in their past. this was a bold and necessary act where people who have done their time, paid their debt to society, have been denied re-entry into society or full citizenship to be able to show that they are part of the restoring of their -- their person, their rights, their family by exercising the right to vote. this is something that we need to see all over this nation and we need to see federal law because there's disproportionate people of color, blacks especially, disproportionately it is those that are impoverished. but everyone deserves the second
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chance. but you can't give a second chance in parts. you must restore people's rights so they can go all the way into being right. and to being made whole. i salute the governor of kentucky beshear. i hope other governors will also take his cue and take the cue of amendment four and respect those that have paid their debt to society by letting them come back into society as full citizens with full rights. and before we go, i want to pay my respects to mayor richard hatcher. a man i knew since i was 18 years old at the national black political convention. he was one of the first black mayors of a major u.s. senate -- a u.s. city. hatcher served five terms as mayor of indiana. gary, indiana. he passed away yesterday at the age of 86. may he rest in power. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern.
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up next, my colleague richard lui picks up our coverage. erage. and good evening. i'm richard lui. full coverage on impeachment just ahead. but we're going to start with some breaks news for you this hour. nbc news now reporting that trump administration intends to draw back more than 4,000 troops from afghanistan by the 2020 election. the u.s. has between 12,000 and 13,000 troops in afghanistan now. and the announcement comes just days after diplomatic talks with the taliban resume. joining me now from the white house north lawn, nbc news correspondent hans nichols. also with us this hour, tom nichols, national security expert and "usa today" columnist. let's start with you, hans. put this into context for us and, again, the exclusive reporting that we have. >> so my colleagues courtney cuby and carol lee have broken this story the white house intends to announce as early as next week, the administration intends to announce as early as next wk
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