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that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning, i'm keir simmo simmons. it's 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. nbc exclusive. the trump administration making another move on afghanistan. why now and what's next? ahead. a full house vote. impeachment. new clarity today on where some key figures stand as the process moves forward. an alarming declaration from one senator. more panic. gunshots send shoppers scrambling in the middle of the day. some of what happened remains shrouded in mystery. more details. campaign 2020. joe biden with pointed words for donald trump. why she thinks the president is
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scared of her husband. all next. we begin with breaking news. a major foreign policy development. nbc news learned the trump administration intend to announce some level of troop withdrawal as early as next week. kelly o'donnell has details. kelly, this is quite some scoop. it will have many foreign policy experts seriously worried. what are you hearing? >> good morning, keir. this is a planned sort of intention of bringing about the president's long expressed goal of a smaller footprint in afghanistan and our colleagues have the story where they've talked to current and form ir officials who say that the trump administration is prepared to announce a drawdown in afghanistan. now, of course, the president was just in afghanistan for his first visit there as commander in chief on thanksgiving. it also comes at a time when the u.s. is reengaging with the
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taliban for negotiations. and some experts say that this draw-down would aid in those negotiations because the u.s. wants a taliban cease-fire and, of course, the taliban wants a smaller footprint. one of the bigger questions is the u.s. presence in afghanistan, the longest war in our history has been in recent years to keep a lid on resurgence of a threat to the u.s. like al qaeda, like isis, like the taliban, any of those kinds of militant insurgents from regaining a stronghold. so the presence of the u.s. in afghanistan has been, in part, to be a force to keep the peace there. in addition, to the mission which is about training and trying to prepare afghan partners. it has been fraught over the years with a lot of u.s. casualties and questions about what the future in the region is. president trump campaigned on bringing u.s. troops out of
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afghanistan and the timing is no coincidence. for years now in his administration, he has at times perhaps reluctantly listened to military commanders who have said you need a u.s. force in afghanistan. this report suggests that the president is going to follow through more on his campaign promise and trying to tie that as well with this renewed taliban negotiation to bring some of those numbers down. now, this would not be complete draw-down and it would likely reposition some u.s. forces. defense secretary mark esper has said publicly he would like to see some u.s. forces relocated to the asia-pacific region where of course there are other hotspot and other concerns. you've spent a love the time in that particular part of the world, keir. this is a case where we have to still wait for the president to a actually announce this. it's expected sometime in the next week. it follows his campaign promises, but there are many who believe that a u.s. presence
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that is more robust in afghanistan is a better way to go, a safer way to go. we'll have to see how this transpires. keir? >> what i briefly hear you saying is the politics isn't what's crucial. what's crucial is the politics in washington and president trump trying to make good on an election promise as he heads towards 2020? >> it's hard to ignore that piece of it given the president's long-standing views on this and the timing. that's not to say that conditions on the ground aren't also a part of t certainly, the president has made clear that's his intention. we hear him in rallies talking about wanting to bring more u.s. troops home and each talking when he was in afghanistan about wanting to see that point come. will it come as quickly as we now expect? that's what we'll be looking for. >> kelly o'donnell, good to see you, my friend. thank you very much. now to the impeachment inquiry entering day 83 as washington prepares for a big week with a full house vote slated for wednesday much president trump now on the brink
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of impeachment is considering his defense options and trying to get at least one democrat to switch sides ahead of the upcoming vote. nbc's hans nichols rornts reports. >> the president tossing the coin at the army navy game as he prepares for his own impeachment battle preparing himself to brett kavanaugh ahead of the nomination. after watching the disgraceful way that a wonderful man brett kavanaugh was treated -- >> a possible democratic defection. >> there's nothing that turned up that truly is impeachable. >> the new jersey democrat reportedly feeling the heat from the president. a democratic official telling nbc news they expect van drew to leave the party. each with his anticipated no vote, impeachment on track for a trial in the senate. trump aide downplaying reports that white house counsel pat cipollone i will lead the
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defense. >> the president may have a number of attorneys helping him. >> as the president senate allies advocate for a short trial without calling the bidens to testify. >> i want to end it. i hate what they're doing. >> graham is open to hearing directly from rudy giuliani. who met with the president after returning from ukraine. but outside the impeachment process. >> rudy, if you want to tell us what you found, i'd be glad to talk to you. >> each if some of his congressional allies question his trump. >> i didn't know why rudy was in the ukraine. >> nbc's hans nichols reporting. thanks, hans. joining me now is scott wong, a senior staff writer covering house leadership for the hill. scott, the full house is set to vote wednesday on the two articles of impeachment, likely sending them to a senate trial. what should we be looking for, how will that look and should we expect surprises? >> i think it's interesting that
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nancy pelosi has positioned this impeachment vote in the middle of two bipartisan big votes, one on the government funding to prevent a shutdown on tuesday, then you have impeachment on wednesday and then the bipartisan u.s.mca trade deal that both will be a victory for president trump but also for some of her moderate front liners, those who helped win the majority in 2018 that are feeling the heat on impeachment right now heading into the 2020 re-election. so nancy pelosi is trying to make this as palatable as possible for some of these very vulnerable democratic members. we're expecting this to be a partisan vote. kevin mccarthy is expecting zero defections on the republican side. it's entirely possible with the jeff van drew that we'll see no defections on the democratic
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side. it's what president trump has wanted. he's called this a partisan witch hunt. it will be a very partisan vote. >> okay. at the same time, you've been reporting that there are eight democrats who are undecided. if one house democrat votes against impeachment, doesn't that allow the president to say you see this is not a question of principle? >> right. which is why nancy pelosi and their lieutenants have been trying to hold the lines. >> she thinks she has to get every democrat to vote in favor, does she? >> no. i mean, what she has said publicly is that democrats need to vote their conscience. they need to vote their beliefs and according to what they're hearing in their congressional districts. i should say. you're hearing a little bit from both sides. but i think so far what we've seen from the vulnerable
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democrats is everyone has come out for impeachment so far. people like colin allred in texas and in virginia beach, max rose in staten island. these are all folks who won trump districts from back in 2018. they've come out in favor of impeachment. that looks like the trend that we're seeing so far. >> just for the -- new jersey, jeff van drew, because there's question whether he will remain a member of the party. >> yeah. my democratic sources are saying that van drew yesterday began reaching out to members of his new jersey delegation as well as some of his star members to tell him he would be leaving the democratic party, joining the republican. this came after a friday meeting with donald trump at the white house. van drew was necessity very outspoken against impeachment. he had been warning the party
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this is not what voters wanted them to focus on. but it looks like he will be switching party. democratic sources are saying that this came in front of polling he recently received that showed that 70% of democratic primary voters in his district were -- wanted to vote him out of office in the 2020 primary. only 22% of democrats supported his decision to be against impeachment. so he was clearly feeling heat not only on the right but also from progressive primary challenge challengers. it looked like he was going to lose his primary in the upcoming 2020 election. that may be one of the reasons why he decided to switch parties. >> can we just talk about the republicans quickly. we talked to a couple of house democrats yesterday who have spoken to some their republican peers who want to support impeachment but are afraid to.
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take a listen. >> they know if they stayed and stood up to him, they would be viciously punished. we see what he does to people with whom he disagrees. >> we've heard from some republicans how concerned they are about the president's behavior. we'll see how they vote. the president really is very thuggish when it comes to republicans or anyone who disagrees with him. >> what's your reaction to that? >> well, privately i think there is a lot of heartburn on the part of republicans. publicly, he can't show any daylight twine them and president trump. they will face retribution from the president. what kevin mccarthy and steve scalise, they whipped the vote a few days ago and are expecting zero dee fek shons from republicans. this is president trump's party and it looks like everybody will be lining up behind the
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president. >> scott wong, thank you. >> thank you. we turn to georgia where an active manhunt is under way for an atlanta mall suspect. the gunman fled after -- and fleeing the scene. morgan chesky has more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. you can imagine the horror of the holiday shoppers incompetent side when the gunfire rang out. a stampede of people behind me, some even leaving their shoes behind. police are still trying to track down the whereabouts of that man who opened fire. panic tearing through an atlanta mall. and gunshots ring out, sending shoppers running for cover. it happened at the cumberland mall in northwest atlanta. the mall was packed, filled with visitors trying to finish their holiday shopping. >> i saw people running outside. bumping into chairs, everything. >> the mall going on lockdown. police called it a verbal alt
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altercati altercation. one person was shot and receiving treatment. the suspect is still on the loose. it comes at a time when americans are high alert. days after six people were killed at a jersey city market and months after people were killed inside a walmart in el paso. even the police are remaining vigilant. >> police trains frequently on active shooter protocol. we recently went through this as a police department but we were able to put that training into use today. >> shoppers who were inside the mall still on edge. last thing you wo think about, somebody being shopped at malls. >> when i go to a mall, i have one eye open anyway. >> 25 years ago, this would have been a shooting in a mall because of a dispute between two parties. all of the shoppers would not have reacted the same. but now, instinctively, they react as if it's an active
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killer. they run, they hide, get behind barricades. >> reporter: investigators have identified the man who opened fire. they have yet to track him down. they're poring over surveillance video in hopes of learning more. much more to get to for those who joined us this sunday morning. senators will be the jury but it's the court of public opinion that may be the only thing that can change minds on capitol hill when it comes to impeachment. how voters view this process up next. next ♪oh there's no place like home for the holidays.♪
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now to day three of the impeachment inquiry. after the judiciary committee approved two articles of impeachment against president trump, the vote came after 14 hours of at times contentious debate. now there's a snapshot in american political history. now we take a look at the past week's drama on capitol hill. >> for only the third time in the country's history, the u.s. house is set to vote on the impeachment of an american president. washington is bracing for what will be a historic impeachment vote. the judiciary committee announcing two articles of impeachment against president trump on tuesday. abuse of power and obstruction of congress. >> the articles are what they are. they're very powerful. they're very strong.
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and they are a continuation of a pattern of misbehavior on the part of the president. >> committee members debated the articles in a set of marathon hearings, including a 14-hour hearing thursday. democrats made their case against the president, calling his actions unprecedented. >> never in the entire history of our country have we had a president of the united states simply defy a co-equal branch altogether. there's no example. >> the president committed the highest crime against the constitution by abusing his office. cheating in an election. >> the president abuses power and is a continuing threat not only to democracy but to our national security. >> and republicans continued to defend mr. trump claiming democrats are the ones who have abused their power. >> that is just a democrat
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drive-by. to go and list crimes that you don't allege and that you don't have evidence for. >> this is a just travesty and a sham from day one. >> none of your fact witnesses were able to establish any evidence of bribery, treason, high crimes or misdemeanors. >> but as committee members prepared to finalize the language of the articles, committee chair jerry nadler, unexpectedly delayed the vote until friday morning. >> the committee is in recess. >> saying such an important vote should not be rushed. a decision that did not sit well with minority members. that vote finally taking place friday morning along party lines. >> aye. >> with a full house vote expected in the coming week. the president responding to the hearing in real-time. firing off 123 tweet on thursday alone, all while maintaining his innocence. >> this is the lightest impeachment in the history of our country by far. >> with his impeachment expected to pass the house, focus now
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turns to the trial over whether trump should be removed from office. parameters will be worked out between majority leader mitch mcconnell and minority leader chuck schumer. mcconnell says any decisions will be made in lock step with the president's team. >> we'll be working through this process, hopefully in a fairly short period of time in total coordination with the white house counsel's office and the people representing the president as well as the senate. >> following the pending full house vote on impeachment, mcconnell has said the senate trial will start in the new year. in washington, heidi pris bella, nbc news. now to the voice of the voters. this is perhaps the most important segment this morning. the new reaction to the impeachment inquiry. amanda golden joins us live from washington. amanda, how is what's going on in washington playing out in new
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hampshire? >> the voters have been following the process back in washington, d.c. but feel for the majority separate from what they're looking for by way of supporting a candidate in 2020. the voters are all independent or undeclared voters and had interesting perspectives on what they're following and how it will affect their perspective? >> i don't see it as being particularly important. i think it might affect other people's perspectives. >> it might be a democrat shooting then selves in the foot. >> i'm sure it does sway people's decisions or enforce them stronger either way. for me, it remains the same off of what i believed before. what i don't respect about what currently is going on right now. >> i think it's disappointing.
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i don't feel there's a solid basis for the articles of impeachment. i'm disappointed that we're doing this. it does appear since beginning of the trump presidency that it's been very, very one-sided with the democrats wanting to impeach the president. so i don't really have a lot of faith in what they're doing. >> so keir, as you can hear, the voters think the process is going to play out a bit separately. if anything bolsters his base. by way of the voters leaning democratic, it's not going to affect who they support. they're making their own decisions independent of the impeachment process. it comes down to which candidate makes -- now the senate candidates for the presidency that i've spoken with, their campaigns, they've told me that january is going to be a big question mark. it's going to be interesting to see which candidates can make an impact on the ground if they can't physically be here. leaning on surrogates and top
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supporters where the undecided voters go in februariment. >> amanda, it's stunning to hear voters shrug their shoulders about something so constitutionally important. really important perspective. amanda golden in manchester, new hampshire. the conservative party, landslide election victory. it could be a clear warning for politicians here in the u.s. that's next. e u.s. that's nt.ex we made usaa insurance for members like martin.
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now to the morning headlines. a north carolina community is in shock after surveillance video of a deputy slamming a boy to the ground is made public. the officer is seen walking down a hallway with the student before he suddenly picks him up and throws him to the ground twice. they're stunned. >> it hurt me. i was like, no, that's the school my baby go to. how a kid acts, what a kid says, that person, that's a grown man. the job you have, you got to have standards. >> the child is said to be in good health. the deputy was placed on paid
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leave pending the investigation for the incident. a state of emergency after a cyber attack. computer services shut down since friday when suspicious activity was detected on the city's network despite emergency operations not being impacted. the mayor declares a state of emergency on saturday. this is the third cyber attack on louisiana this year of more than 100 similar attacks in state and local governments across the country. law enforcement agencies in gilroy, california are pleased with the results of the first gun buyback program in 25 years. police say they collected nearly 500 firearms, including 26 assault weapons and 205 handguns on saturday exceeding their expectatio expectations. gilroy, you may remember was site of a mass shooting at the garlic festival this past summer. overseas now and to my home country, new details of how boris johnson celebrated his landslide victory in the british
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election. the front page calls tt moment, the gamble of boris' life paid off. they have details that johnson was shocked. expected a small majority and he celebrated in true british fashion. i can vouch for this. he is a true british way to celebrate. homemade chicken curry and a drink. this weekend, he celebrated in the heartland of northern england with working class voters who abandoned the labour party. >> what an incredible thing you have done. you have changed the political landsca landscape. you have changed the conservative party for the better. and you've changed the future of our country for the better. >> joining me now jack blanchard, playbook editor for politico. jack, try to give people a picture in the u.s. of how dramatic this is. what you saw is a shift in the way people from different classes voted. you saw the cities against other parts of the uk, particularly the former industrial heartland.
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paint a picture for me. >> yeah. this is nothing short of an entire redrawing of the electoral map here in the uk. traditionally, those northern old industrial parts of the uk, the devoted labour, the wing for generation after generation really turned conservative for the first time. some of them since the second world war and beyond. it's a redrawing of the way politics will work. boris johnson has a huge majority. he's the first conservative leader to have that since margaret thatcher in the 1980s. now the most powerful prime minister since tony blair. what's going to be interesting seeing what he does with this power. does he pursue sort of the traditional conservative approach on tax and spend or does he try to reflect the fact that many of his supporters are more left wing labour supporters or take the country in a slightly different direction to what you might expect a conservative prime minister to
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do? >> we're always looking for the parallels with the u.s. and things that can be learned from here and one of them is perhaps a new kind of intimated is that if boris johnson can get the voters who turned to him in this election to stay with him, he will change politics potentially for a generation there. >> that's right. there are parallels to be drawn with the way that president trump managed to harness the support in the rust belt of america. there were northern parts of the uk, there are similarities there. they've obviously shifted in a similar direction. a lot of the voters were reporting that they were going to lend in their eyes, boris johnson for this time only. brexit and the -- over brexit has been the only issue at that election. what we don't yet know is whether those people were voting for him just this one time to, in his words, get brexit done and whether they will shift away from him and the conservative party or whether this is a permanent redrawing of the map. that is going to come down how
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he decides to govern. that's a long way off now. this election is only two days ago. we now have five years of boris johnson deciding what he wants to do with the country. >> this is quite a prospect. in terms of that question of whether -- the way that working class voters there resonate in u.s. politics, british pollster says democrats in particular should pay attention. let's take a listen. >> the main lesson for the democrats in 2020 is to find a way to engage with people not just on an intellectual level but on an emotional level as well. that's true in terms of policy, that's true in terms of presentation but also arguably, most crucially. that's important in terms of leader. >> it's important to put in a health warning that these are different political systems, political countries. do you agree with what you heard there? >> 100%. i can see huge parallels with
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what's happening in america and the democrats would be wise to take a close look at what happened in this election. if you poll individually the policies that jeremy corbin and the labour party were putting forward, they were popular on a one by one basis. do you like this and yes and yet nobody turned out to vote for them in the end. why did that happen? because they didn't like the leader corbin and they didn't feel they resonated with them and their cultural approach to life. that turned out to be far more important than they were being promised this and offered that. they voted with their hearts and voted in huge numbers for the guy that they preferred. >> jack, forgive me. a quick british conversation. it's been raining here in new york. what's the weather like there? >> it's not too bad. doing okay by our standards. >> i'll head home quickly. jack blanchard. thank you. moving ahead, several
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candidates on the trail will. yesterday, joe biden was at the education forum in pittsburgh, his wife jill was here on msnbc advocating for her husband. >> we knew it was going to be tough, our family knew it was going to be tough. we could never have imagined that it would turn into that donald trump would be asking a foreign government to get involved in our elections. i think, you know, donald trump has shown us who he is. this has been a real distraction. i think it just proves that he's afraid to run against my husband, joe biden. >> joining me now is hanna tr o trudo. frayed of joe biden. is she right? >> well, the campaign has been making that argument ever since launching in april. one thing that pops out to me the most in jill biden's claim there. we're in the middle of a democratic primary spanning
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still almost a dozen candidates. jill biden is making a general election campaign argument directly against trump as they have consistently for months now. joe biden, in making this argument, he's doubling down on this. he's let other 2020 primary rivals duke it out as the process continues and as we inch towards iowa and new hampshire. he's zooming in like a laser on donald trump saying that he's scared of him, that he's going to beat him like a drum. i don't know if this is totally new rhetoric from the biden camp. >> i wonder if jill biden's appearance, what it states about confidence of the campaign and the primary? >> i think they're appearing confident. again, to that general election argument, i think they have a little bit of cause to worry because polls narrowly show
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biden at times beating trump by a point or two here and there. but it's well within most margins of error in these kinds of polls. i think they want to project a confident front. you know, i think it definitely remains to be seen. i think a lot of this rhetoric sort of going -- if you remember, he jokingly said a while back, he would take trump out back if they were back in high school and fight him. retracter tracted that a -- retracted that a little bit. >> hanna, let's talk about cory booker. one of the candidate that did not qualify. he wants the dnc to change that. alternative debate qualification standards for the january and february national committee debate in nevada -- they said they won't be making those changes. what do you make of this, hanna? >> he's not alone in saying that. he sends a letter which almost
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all of the top tier contenders signed on to. you know, i think that he has a valid case to make. i mean, look, we're approaching a debate which for other reasons we don't know if it's each going to happen, given the current labor dispute going on. i think cory booker is rightly claiming -- calling for more diversity in the party. for that debate stage to reflect more of what the country's voters look like. signed on by julian castro and all of the other candidates running in the top tier. the dnc, like you mentioned, has said they will not change the debate can criteria. that the criteria is quite lax and that it should be easily met by those in the top tier and those who have qualified for both of the criteria there. but, you know, i don't think this is the last we've heard of cory booker's campaign. the next debate is set for thursday in los angeles.
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there may not be many candidates on the stage. all seven who qualified will boycott the event over a labor dispute in marymount university. the site for the debate. what's going on there? >> yeah. i think this is something the top 2020 -- one of them to watch. the dnc, while they didn't necessarily concede to booker's request, they are saying that tom perez, the chairman of the dnc, would not cross the picket line nor who he expect the slate of candidates to do so. elizabeth warren who is up on the top tier, a front-runner in this election right now, was the first to say, we need to perhaps boycott this if a labor dispute -- if the dispute hasn't reached a conclusion by that debate night. >> all right. hanna trudo, thank you. making up their minds before the trial has begun. next, whether some senators are violating a constitutional duty. i thought i was managing
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this thing will come to the senate and it will die quickly and i will do everything i can to make it die quickly. i am trying to give a pretty clear signal i have made up my mind. i'm not trying to pretend to be a -- >> is it appropriate to be voicing your opinion even before this gets to the senate as a trial? >> well, i must think so because
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i'm doing it. >> i've made up my mind. impeachment juror, lindsey graham after his committee's counterpart, impeach president trump for abuse of power and obstruction of congress. joining me now is trial lawyer and msnbc legal contributor katie phang and glenn kirschner. katie, i know this is a partisan impeachment. according to the founding fathers, they must be a fair juror in this case. >> it's important for people to know the oath itself. it reads the following. i i solemn any swear or affirm that in all things pertaining to the trial of donald trump now pending, i will do impartial justice according to the constitution and laws so help me god. that is the oath that every senator will take when they begin the trial of donald trump. keir, the concern that we have is, as glenn knows as well, if
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we have a trial in civil or criminal court, you could strike a juror, somebody like lindsey graham if he expressed an opinion that he was not going to be a fair and impartial juror, that he was not going to keep an open mind when he listened to the evidence during the course of a trial. you could strike him for cause. he could be excused and would not sit during the course of a trial. to allow somebody like lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell, another example, to sit and judge somebody like donald trump because, in an impeachment trial, the senators are the judges and the triers of fact, it makes it like it's a rigged event. so the american public should be angry. keir, ultimately, what happens is, you're not going to see a recusal of lindsey graham. it's going to be between lindsey graham, god and the ballot box. somebody has to vote him out. >> i'm going to play another one. take a listen.
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>> everything i do during this, i'm coordinating with white house counsel. there will be no difference between the president's position and our position as to how to handle this. >> these guys have made up their minds before the trial. >> you know, keir, katie beat me to the punch. i was going to read the oath as well. lindsey graham will have to raise his right hand and swear to do impartial justice. when i saw that clip of lindsey graham basically promising to be unfair, it makes me sick to my stomach. until recently, i spent 30 years in courtrooms, both military and civilian arguing cases to juries. when i come to learn from those experiences is that jurors and the american people are justice loving people. they want a process that is fair, that is just and honorable and that has integrity to it. they want the guilty held
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accountable and the innocent exonerated. when you see lindsey graham saying i'm not going to pretend to be an unfair -- a fair juror and when you see mitch mcconnell saying i'm coordinating with the white house, in other words, i am coordinating with the defendant in the upcoming trial to make sure the fix is in, i'll tell you, that's not going to win the republican party any new converts, but it sure is going to make justice-loving people think twice before they buy into a process that these people are bragging is a rigged process. it really does turn my stomach. >> katie, we could talk about i solemnly swear, about the founding fathers, the constitution, but in the end and perhaps this is the tragedy of it all, this is politics. >> yeah. unfortunately, because keir, really there's no substantive standards that are provided in the senate rules of impeachment.
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the constitution doesn't provide for anything less than what constitutes an impeachable offense. you're going to have the chief justice of the supreme court of the united states, john roberts, come in. the question will be, will he be like the prior judge rehnquist, during the clinton impeachment trial who literally did court work and sat there and played cards. or would you have chief justice john roberts be activist. interestingly, republican judges usually say they're proud they won't be activist judges. but let's see if he'll be more involved to help donald trump. >> can i quickly play you a clip from an interview you did yesterday? >> if lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell are determined that it will be an acquittal, it seems to me that that will only be playing against themselves if they inject that sort of uncertainty into the process and they turn it into a circus-like atmosphere. >> quickly, then, why do you think the republican tactics may
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backfire? >> so i think they're not going to turn it into a circus because that will only inure to the benefit of the democrats, i think. they've already said the fix is in, we've rigged it. it will be an acquittal. we don't need to concern ourselves with the testimony of the witnesses or conducting a fair trial. katie put her finger on something really important. they've already delegitimized the outcome, which will likely be an acquittal. what will chief roberts do, breathe legitimacy into what will not be a legitimate trial by letting them get away with announcing they'll be unfair jurors and announcing the fix is in? i think there is potentially real damage to the court if chief justice roberts doesn't actually address some of these issues and say, you know what, i am going to preside over a fair and legitimate trial, not one that you all are determined to squirrel from the outset?
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>> katie phang, again, kirschner, get yourselves a coffee. we're going to bring you back in the next hour to talk about rudy giuliani. that will be a fun conversation. large, amazing, two of the adjectives the president is using to describe the agreement on phase one of the china trade deal. we'll look at the reality of that when we come back. that whek [farmers bell]
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the trump administration after years of negotiating with china has finally reached a phase one trade deal, a deal treasury secretary steve mnuchin calls historic. let's take a listen. >> the china deal, which ambassador lighthouser and i have been working on for two years, we finally have completed what i consider to be a historic phase one trade agreement. >> joining me now is yahoo finance reporter can a beal. you heard steve mnuchin talking about this as a historic deal and still the dow went down. >> what we're seeing is president trump is calling this an mazing deal but wall street
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is scrikeptical. once investors started to digest the details of the deal which are very slim then we saw those major surges we saw pull back in those gains. so that's pretty much what's been happening on wall street. investors are no longer falling for it. fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. now president trump is in grave danger of being taken for a fool because investors are not being as sensitive to positive developments when it comes to the trade deal because we've seen this before. we've already been in a position where president trump says china has promised to make massive agricultural purchases and then we don't see that pan out. here we are again, it feels like we are back at square one where china again is promising massive agricultural purchases and we are not getting an exact dollar amount. china is getting what they wanted, though, they want ad roll back this tariffs and that's what president trump is offering them. >> they must be concerned because this has happened before the trump administration will
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pull out again. the fundamental question here really is trust. you cannot -- the worry is you just can't trust china. >> exactly. and how do you get over a hurdle like that when it comes to fundamentally not trusting somebody that you're trying to make a deal with? so that's the biggest issue. i spoke to commerce secretary wilbur ross about this recently and he said that's the biggest issue. even if they do sign an overall trade deal it's hard to put in place an enforcement mechanism that will hold china to account. until president trump's administration comes up with a plan for addressing that looks like we are not going to be making any progress here. >> people looking at their 401(k)s what should they do because it's hard to see the roadmap ahead and we are talking about the two largest economies in the world. >> if they are looking at their 401(k)s the market is still very strong. when we saw this phrase one trade deal be announced we reached record highs again,
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