house. but after what you just heard from the chairman of the senate judiciary committee, what's now clear to anyone who is watching is that the white house will be the only body conducting a constitutional process. with something entirely different and diminished happening in the senate. by revealing that he's not even going to pretend to be an impartial juror in the impeachment of his bossman donald trump, lindsey graham is practically boasting that he considers the oath of office that he took when he became a senator to be a joke. united states senators take an additional oath at the beginning of an impeachment trial where they swear to, quote, do impartial justice according to the constitution and laws. lindsey graham apparently considers that to be a joke, too. and he's far from alone. graham's revelation that he will refuse to do his job came just two days after self-proclaimed grim reaper of the senate mitch mcconnell told the trump faithful on fox news that the

impeachment case will be dead on arrival. and that he essentially -- he, the jury foreman, plans to coordinate the upcoming senate trial with its defendant. >> and everything i do during this, i am coordinating with white house counsel. there will be no difference between the president's position and our position as to how to handle this. >> so yesterday on this show, i made the analogy of the upcoming trump impeachment trial to the o.j. simpson trial in which a man who many people believed was guilty was instead acquitted. with that acquittal becoming meaningness for a lot of his fellow citizens. overnight a friend sent me a tweet by professor kendi that i think sums it up even better because the outcome of the o.j. simpson trial was indeed in doubt. no one knew what that verdict was going to be until it happened. whereas trump's trial in that trial, to quote professor kendi, it's becoming like a jim crow trial. deep down everyone knows

everything. everyone knows the racist defendant is guilty. everyone knows the all-white jury is going to quickly acquit. everyone knows that the exonerated defendant will continue to break the law. joining me to discuss is someone who will be voting on articles of impeachment this week. minnesota representative ilhan omar who serves on the foreign affairs committee. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> when i saw that text overnight, the tweet sent to me by a friend, it was jarring because i was thinking of an o.j. trial situation. but it's true. no one knew how that jury was going to vote. that's why it was a surprise. this is almost like one of those old south jury trials where the jurors go in, ha, ha, ha, we're never going to convict this guy. that is shocking to me that's happening now. what do you make of it as somebody that's going to vote in the house side? >> in the situation you describe, in the sweet you can clearly see injustice will take place. and what i think the american

people get to witness is a party that has decided to make a mockery of the constitution. these are leaders within the senate who are abdicating their responsibility and their oath. if you were being selected as a juror for a case, and you essentially said you were planning to acquit, you would be excused. >> right. >> and so it is important for us to recognize that these are essentially jurors. you know, the republicans have along this whole process decided that they were not going to be a fair and impartial juror. they've complained about the process even though every single piece of that process was out in the open and done within the rules of the house.

and now you even have mitch mcconnell say that he is going to work with the defendant's lawyers. can you imagine if jurors in the case said, well, i mean, we're just going to communicate. >> right. >> with the defendant's lawyer. >> yeah. >> and decide what the defense should be and how we should behave. and so it is really alarming, and it should be alarming to everyone that is paying attention. and i think it is the responsibility of the american people to hold the senators accountable to make sure that they are having their voices heard and to require that this process, this constitutional process is carried out impartially. >> lindsey graham is particularly galling for a lot of people because he has been such a hypocrite on this. he was one of the leaders of wanting to see bill clinton

impeached. he was out there railing against president clinton when president clinton was impeached for lying to officials who questioned him about a sexual affair. something that for most americans was a trivial reason to impeach a president. this was lindsey graham back in 1998. and here he is back in 1998. >> i know what people want to do with this case. i know they want to get it over. i know many of them don't want the president to be impeached. but i have got a duty far greater than just getting to the next election. the problem is that i am expecting the other side to engage the facts, and they haven't. and i am just blown away by that. >> i'm going to play just one more for the congresswoman. here's another sound bite of lindsey graham back in 1998. >> some people have said i won't vote for impeachment. some house members have said i will not vote for an impeachment.

let me tell you, please don't say that until you understand what you're voting on. members of the senate have said i understand everything there is about this case and i won't vote to impeach the president. please allow the facts to do the talking. people have made up their mind in a political fashion that will hurt this country long term. >> and yet in 1998, i'm old enough to remember that we were -- it was still not clear what the outcome of that vote would be. there was no guaranteed outcome. despite the fact that democrats had the votes to acquit the president. there was never a statement that this was a foregone conclusion. this time there is. >> for a lot of people who have followed the senator, they place a lot of respect on the way he would conduct himself. and in this particular moment, the way that he has flip-flopped and decided to abdicate his oath

of office is quite shameful. let me just give you one slight example. so the house serves as a grand jury. the prosecutor in this case, if we say like adam schiff would be the prosecutor, he brings the case. you have the liberty of bringing in a lot of different evidence. we get to decide as the grand jury if the case is -- if there is enough evidence for the case to move forward. >> right. >> now that is very different than the responsibility a jury has within our constitution. and the jurors in this case are the senators. >> yeah. >> and so the responsibility we have in the house is much more different and much more greater than to the one that the

senators have. and i just want the american public to recognize that. this is the republican party that constantly talks about the importance of the constitution. and they are choosing party over the constitution. they are choosing a lawless president over our constitution. and they are setting up our country to be one that is not going to be the beacon of democratic processes in the world, as it has been for generations. >> i think about in the case of richard nixon when members of his own party decided that they could not acquit him. they went to him and told him so. they said we cannot acquit you. you are guilty and i'm going to have to vote to convict you. you will be convicted. so they had a different response when they knew what the outcome would be in their jury was to say to their fellow republican,

you really have a choice now of whether to go ahead and go through this. but i'm telling you, i cannot acquit you and then he resigns. >> we have many examples of that from both parties, right, throughout our history. where people have put their country over -- their country before their party. but what is happening right now, it's quite alarming and it is disheartening and for people like myself and jayapal as she held that constitution, there are people around the world who look up to our country, who say for processes to work, for democracy to exist, you have to look towards america. and i just want to make sure that the american people realize what this would mean for our standing in the world. >> i'm glad you said that. both of our families come from,

you know, came to this country from elsewhere. >> yes. >> and, you know, my parents are no longer with us, and i think they would be appalled to see what this country that they really revered for those principles has become. >> my father is still around and is completely shocked because we weren't even around when the clinton impeachment case was going on in the united states and he understood that this is a process that is going to take place and can only take place -- >> in here. in this country. >> in this country. >> the thing that's most frightening, and i'm very interested to hear your response to this, is that in this specific case, what republicans would be voting no on is donald trump's refusal to obey their own body. and it strikes me in other countries where you have a legislature that has no power. so these guys are saying we have no power. only he has power. he is essentially a king. this is monarchism which i never thought if any country would never have monarchists in it, i thought it would be the united

states. >> and the senators really are rubber stamping that sort of thought process by saying we're swiftly going to move this. we're going to work to dismiss it. we are not impartial. we are going to listen to our leader. we have, in this country, a balance of power. our framers and founders and the writers of our constitution knew the dangers that could exist if there was no check on the executive power. >> yeah. >> and so you have a president who has clearly decided to obstruct congress with the approval of his party members. >> and i want to ask you a couple other things while i still have you here. we're also in this moment, and

you faced it even with your opponent, having to be banned on twitter for the threatening things that she has said about you. you have faced the torrent of incoming hatred that's been spewed out by this president. how do you process that? as somebody who is a political leader, who has pushed forward in the front. there's a new version of the squad. they want to make a right wing version of it. all white women on fox the other day. there's a brand around you that's made you a target. even if your re-election. we just had members of the navy -- during the army/navy football game flashing what looked like the white power sign. how do you process that as somebody who is an elected official, and how do your constituents process it? >> i mean, hateful rhetoric is very dangerous and it's becoming synonymous with the republican party. they have refused to condemn and distance themselves from members

within their party that have threatened my life and the lives of others. that have caused the deaths of people in this country who follow their message and have put their names, the names of our president and many of the republican leaders in their manifestos as they have taken innocent lives. but what we have to remember is we don't have to be that. we don't have to be that country. and so my message has always been love trumps hate. we have a lot of compassion to go around. i recently sent a letter to the judge who is going to decide how long one of the people who have threatened my life will serve -- will be in jail. and asked him to really think about the kind of message we

want to send. we want redemption for people. i believe everyone can be rehabilitated. and it's really important for us to send a message to the younger generation that we want you back. we are a community. our country thrives on its diversity. our unity is much more greater and could be much more greater than it is at the moment. this president is going to be president for a short period of time. we are going to be a country much longer than him. and that's what we have to remember. and that's what my constituents remind me every time i am back home. that we are a family, and we should continue to move as a family. we might bicker, right? but this idea that you are

supposed to hate and wish death upon people isn't what families do. >> before i let you go, i want to end on a positive note. you're trying to do something positive for young people that's very important. this is about another issue we haven't even gotten to because we're so fixated on what donald trump is doing and that's trying to cut off this school to prison pipeline to make sure that young people are allowed to go through school, that black and brown children who are particularly targeted can have a chance. tell us about that. >> as we've said, right, we can both investigate, litigate, legislate. we can do all those three things. and my colleague ayana pressley and i and bonnie watson coleman have introduced a piece of legislation called push out act because we -- there's an epidemic, a crisis in our schools where young black women

and young women of color in general are facing harsher punitive punishments for asserting themselves into classroom discussions or showing up with hair that might not be deemed appropriate by the mainstream culture. and we're saying our young girls deserve safety and opportunity to thrive in their schools as everyone else does. and we are going to make sure that there are guidelines for schools to follow and there is an incentive for them to do the right thing. >> let's hope we get a senate eventually that will take up legislation like that should it pass the house. ilhan omar, it's always a pleasure. thank you so much for being here. more "a.m. joy" after the break. 1 in 5 people you meet wear dentures.

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even as they were accusing republicans of colluding with russians, the democrats themselves were colludes with russians by funding the steele dossier based on russian and ukrainian sources. meanwhile, they turn a blind eye to ukrainians meddling in our elections because the democrats were cooperating with that operation.

>> so if there was anything these impeachment hearings have made clear it's that one side of the aisle is grounded in reality while the other side is devin nunes peddling bizarre, disproved and russian intelligence sourced claims about the steele dossier and how the obama deep state was out to keep president trump from becoming president. that argument became tougher to sustain this week after the justice department's inspector general concluded the fbi was not motivated by political bias when they investigated the very real and very troubling contacts between trump's campaign and russian operatives. investigators did not rely on the research from former british spy christopher steele when it launched its investigation. the origins of the now-infamous steele dossier go back to 2016 when christopher steele was contacted by the private intelligence firm fusion gps to do some research on donald trump for a client. it's important to remember that

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we just learned this two days ago. lied to the court 17 times. the guy who wrote the dossier was desperate to stop trump. the dossier they're using to further spy on the trump campaign. the guy who wrote the dossier was working for the clinton campaign. >> we heard about the truth about this steele dossier this

week. the inspector general told us it was all garbage, rubbish, all made up. >> he didn't tell them that. donald trump's republican defenders tactic of screaming out debunked conspiracy theorys on the steele dossier did nothing to prevent his impeachment but they do give us the opportunity to dive back into one of the most intriguing elements of the trump/russia scandal. the emergence of the steele dossier. joining us are two of the experts, glen simpson and peter frich, the founders of fusion gps and the authors of the book "crime in progress." at the risk of disturbing your ears even further, let me play one other person screaming about the dossier. that would be president trump at a campaign rally in pennsylvania recently. take a listen. >> the inspector general's shocking report proved that the obama fbi obtained secret warrants to spy on my campaign based on a phony foreign dossier of debunked smears paid for by

crooked hillary clinton and the dnc. the fbi failed to disclose the nature of the political hit job to the fisa court. they hid it. they deceived it, and they lied. >> okay. none of that is true. but i'll start with you first. i don't even know where to begin, but what was the original origin of christopher steele's research on donald trump, and who paid for it? >> the origin of the research into donald trump was started in september of 2015, and it was financed by the republicans. the first half of our investigation was all paid for by the republicans. the reason that we hired christopher steele was that we did about eight months of research for the republicans which led us ultimately to become very curious about donald trump's connections to the

russians. >> and, in fact, the idea that -- peter, i'll give this one to you, the idea that this guy, christopher steele who was hired was this anti-trump horrible person who hated trump, the opposite appears to be true. this is a quote from the inspector general's report which found the opposite of what all these republicans are saying. the steele dossier was not the source of the investigation. simply was not. but it quotes steele called the allegation he was biased against trump from the start ridiculous. if anything, he was favorably disposed toward the trump family before he began his research because he visited a trump family member at trump tower and had been friendly with the family member for some years. he described their relationship as personable and gifted the family a tartan. do you know who that family member is? there's been speculation. it sounds like the person who originally funded the steele

research and steele himself were basically pro trump or pro republican at least. >> yeah, you know, we all think it's ivanka trump, and i think it's more an acquaintanceship than a friendship. chris is a super polite british person who when contacted reciprocates and often will -- if you wrote him today, joy, you'd get a christmas card in the next week. so it's important to remember, though, that chris, when he was hired by us to look at these matters, he didn't know that we were working for donald trump, which is a super germane fact that people -- >> sorry, working against president trump. >> so he didn't know who the ultimate client was? >> no, we didn't tell him. it became obvious, eventually, but, no, it's a part of trade craft that you wouldn't tell someone who was the subcontractor, who the client was. you wouldn't want to influence their thinking.

but i was just talking to chris about this the other day. and i think he mentioned the fact that he was friendly with ivanka the very first time we met. he certainly had no animus against them. what we've said previously in testimony and other places is that to the extent that there was an opinion that was formed about donald trump's fitness to be president of the united states it was formed during the course of the research. and the reason that chris was so concerned about donald trump becoming president was because of what we were finding about him, which was really scary. >> and that is what i want to get to now. there's a "washington post" piece that compares what the mueller report found and what steele found. and i'll read a little bit of it. the mueller report substantiates the core reporting and many of the specifics in steele's 2016 memoranda including the trump campaign figures were secretly meeting with kremlin figures that russia was conducting a covert operation to elect donald trump and the aim of the russian operation was to sow discord and disunity in the u.s. and the transatlantic alliance. peter, go through a little more

of what mr. steele actually found. >> i mean, first of all, mission accomplished. what they managed to, do the russians. chris' inquiry was really broad based in the beginning. we talk about this extensively early on in our book. you know, he was meant to figure out why it is he kept going to russia without actually consummating any deals. and what he found was a systematic, what he believes his sources said was a systematic program to work with the trump organization campaign to get him elected. of course, that finding was about eight months ahead of the intelligence community's finding. so there are details that get quibbled about in the dossier, but the underlying has been more than borne out. >> glenn, go on. >> the clips you played are truly amazing. i mean, the most amazing thing about those clips is that they

sink in with people if you lie enough times as adolf hitler proved. some people start to believe these lies. >> i want to talk about one of the things that is sort of the detail in the steele dossier that keeps coming up and that's this idea that there are tapes that russia may have of donald trump that they can use as compromise against him. there's an intriguing footnote in the mueller report about thames they don't describe. was he able to substantiate the existence of tapes of trump that russia could use against him? >> that was news to us and to chris that footnote that you're alluding to. what we know definitively is that donald trump lied about, you know, his presence in moscow in that hotel. his body man or bodyguard did, in fact, later testify to being offered prostitutes that evening. so there's a lot of -- as we

also write in the book, there's no fewer than about seven sources that we know of who substantiated that claim. so chris and his colleagues had quite a robust discussion about whether to include it. he is a former intelligence professional decided that, you know, if there was existing compromate that could be used as leverage. >> there's a kind of who cares aspect of this which is, that's not really the core of what chris' reporting was. the core of chris' reporting was the kremlin was conspiring to elect donald trump president of the united states. he was supportive of that and going along with that, and, you know, was involved in all kinds of things with the russians, including business deals which we now know to be true. so the whole tape issues is a bit of a distraction from the real core concerns that we raised, that chris raised. >> it's not a distraction to republicans. they seem to be obsessed. this is the book called "crime

in progress." and everyone can check it out on their own and dig into more about what christopher steele was able to find. glenn simpson and peter fritch thanks. nancy pelosi put another -- put on another master class in leadership this week. we'll speak with someone who knows the speaker best, and that is next. upbeat music♪ no cover-up spray here. cheaper aerosols can cover up odors in a flowery fog. but febreze air effects eliminates odors. with a 100% natural propellent. it leaves behind a pleasant scent you'll love. [ deep inhale] freshen up. don't cover up. febreze.

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i don't -- i was raised in a catholic house. we don't hate anybody. not anybody in the world. and as a catholic, i resent your using the word hate in a sentence that addresses me. i don't hate anyone. i was raised in a way that is a heart full of love and always prayed for the president. and i still pray for the president. i pray for the president all the time. so don't mess with me when it comes to words like that. >> all that was missing with a pelosi clap at the end. you'll remember that epic clap back from speaker pelosi from the peek wfr telling a reporter that she doesn't hate donald trump. she prays for him. that fits in with her wider political ideology according to my next guest. she writes many people in politics love humanity but aren't as good at loving humans. the nancy pelosi way is to remember that people's hopes, dreams and aspirations define them far more than the titles

they want or hold. the daughter of nancy pelosi and the author of "the nancy pelosi way." thank you for being here. >> good morning, joy. >> good morning. the epic sort of moments between speaker pelosi and the press, that was probably the biggest one, but the moments between the speaker and donald trump, i think, are equally memorable. that picture of her standing up over all of these older white men and sort of looking down over them and the way she seems to scare him. what is the speaker's feeling about someone like him? >> well, part of nancy pelosi's upbringing, as she told the supposed reporter was that she was raised in little italy baltimore in a catholic home with a heart full of love, and she's always believed that public service is a noble calling back from when my grandfather was mayor and my uncle tommy after him. so her belief has always been in loving other people, in public service being part of something larger than yourself.

and that your actions really should be an expression of your call to service. and so i think she's constantly trying to remind the president and all of us, really, that the presidency should be used as a force for good as a force for unity, as a force for healing, and she'll never stop praying for that to happen. i think part of her effectiveness is that at times she seems to respect the presidency more than the current occupant of that office. >> is that part of what's behind, you know, this idea that she hates him makes no sense if you think about the fact that she just did a deal on trade with the white house that republicans in the senate don't even want to do. she's willing to do that and announce it the same day they did this usmca deal that labor likes, that a lot of union folks like with donald trump. do you get the sense that her feeling toward trump is that if possible she would like to sort of fix his presidency into a normal one, or is she more interested in seeing him gone?

>> well, when it comes to the trade deal, nancy pelosi said over and over again when it came to working people, we're not going anywhere without each other. that was very clear. and despite pressure for months and months and multi-million-dollar campaign pushing her to accept the president's version of the deal she said, no, we have to bring in enforcement because that's everything if you're talking about our workers, if you're talking about health care consumers and people concerned about the environment. so those were always her standards. i don't think this presidency is fixable. i don't really think that's the point. and i tell people all the time the norms are shattered. so we have to build new ones on the ashes of our own expectations and the morays donald trump has torched. what can we get done for the people? and that has always been the message that brought us, the house democratic majority in 2018 is getting something done for the people, particularly on the economy, health care and

restoring openness in government so people feel there's somebody in there fighting for them. >> so we've seen a reluctant conservative democrats like max rhodes say yes to impeachment. the case has been proven. you've seen a freshman like jeff van drew who people had probably never heard of before switch over to the republican party because the polling showed he'd be punished if he voted to impeach donald trump. you're also seeing the ramp up of a huge ad campaign that's planned against all house democrats. residents in 31 congressional districts, per politico, are about to be inundated with tv ads, facebook ads, texts and tweets and each representative is going to be targeted. they're complicit. is the democratic party prepared to run ads the other way and to do an equal and substantial response to that kind of an ad campaign? >> yes. and the reason is because health

care is still the motivating factor in terms of electing democrats. people are so concerned about their immediate health care and the security of their family. yesterday you had hundreds of thousands of people all over the country marking the tragic anniversary of sandy hook with the 20 little children and the 6 educators who were killed. in the case of the educators, literally throwing their bodies over the little children one last measure of humanity saying it doesn't have to be this way. and i think when you look at what people really care about the most, they care about the security of their families. they care about their health care. they care about jobs. and so the impeachment is in one category and they'll be a counter to that of people all over the country talking about how no one is above the law. but the bigger, deeper messaging and the one animating the candidates for president as well is, what are we going to do to restore the health and the

opportunity of this country? and i think that's where you're going to see the organic messaging that's going to outweigh any paid political negative ads by the republicans. >> we will wait to see. kristine pelosi, thank you very much for being here. more "a.m. joy" after the break. the break. we made usaa insurance for members like kate. a former army medic, made of the flexibility to handle whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry.

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normal day. i got a lot of tweets and texts and questions that boils down to how do we change the mind of that guy, who drank all the trump's cokool-aid and believe he's god. trump is just a symptom of irrational fear and the after math of progressives winning the culture wars. we see it quite frankly the mildest version of it on the official network of fox news where mitch mcconnell came out and said that the impeachment fix is in. >> everything i do during this encore of the white house council, there would be no difference of the president's position and our position as to how to handle this. >> so he can say that on fox.

because they are ready understanding their party does not obey the rules. they'll get their way and make america be the way they want it. the end. trump wants to be a king. no problem, we get the courts, right? the historic change of impeachment, "fox and friends" are on completely different. it is the running joke that trump should forget democracy all together and never leave office. he'll literally become a king. that gives us the court, right. mike huckabee tweeting he's been attacked as the chairman of the campaign. >> it was a joke, an obvious joke. i mean i made a comment.

i was dying. >> sean, i am serious. the president is going to get a third term since the first one did not count since he was mistreated by the press. this is hilarious. >> hilarious. this was not the original of huckabee's part. donald trump has been joking of never leaving office since he took office including recently as last week. >> should we go back to 16 years? congressman, can we have that extended? you know the last time i jokingly said that, the paper started saying he got to spot ten tendency. under the morm manormal rulerul be out in 2024. we may have to go for an extra term.

no, i am only kidding. >> these people are so stupid, one of them said, you know he's going to win, don't you? at the end of the second term, you know he's not leaving. i thought he's a comedian. i thought he was kidding. he's for real. now we have to start thinking about that because it is not a bad idea. >> haha. funny now. former federal prosecutor, karine jean-pierre and author of "moving forward." glenn kirshner and jill wine-banks, author of "the watergate girl." >> i remember asking you and i asked everybody that i interview for the book, what happens, in all seriousness what happens if donald trump who does not believe in the constitutional norms and believe in power and money for donald trump. if he just says, you know what if i leave this office, i may get prosecuted in new york.

what would happen? >> he keeps on joking about it. dictators happens all over the world. the 22nd amendment says the president has two terms or he or she is out. the remedy, the president messes up. when he commits a high crime or misdemeanor is impeachment and removal from office. would that happen? we have to ask whether that would. if you look at articles of impeachment. donald trump ignores congress. he does not believe in separation of powers or checks and balances and the republicans allowed him to get away with it. >> that's the key. >> that's the key. the only thing that stops a mindset in a democracy is the legislative branch saying no. donald trump has been eaten up the third of the federal judiciary, he stacked it with 30

something bloggers who believed that women should be in "the handmaids's tale." >> we are letting you know that he can do anything he wants and we'll enforce it. if they given up their own power and says he's the king. whatever he wants, he can have it. they'll never vote him out. >> donald trump is how democracy die. i say it based on reality when you look at how real democracy have involved and becoming more authoritarian leader. donald trump tweeted about, do thank you think people demand that i stay longer. that was not a joke. this is called priming. this is a psychological term. they understand the stimulus you are giving them, third term. when you call them that to support that. they do that. here is the scary thing. nearly 50% would support donald

trump, shuttering media outlets for bad behavior. that means at the end of the first minute, why would they care about the 22nd amendment. if donald trump goes out of the country and campaign, i deserve a third term, he'll get the third base and they'll find some legal way and argue and get toit the supreme court and hope their gop controls keep them there. this ship scares everyone. >> jill wine-banks. there was a fear that richard nixon would do something crazy. he would cling to office in ahmad way and start a war and doing something insane. in the end, he did not. he was statesman enough and leave. this was not the first time there is a fear that a president would try to cling to power in an insane way. there is a republican party that would not let nixon do it if he tried, right? >> exactly. so different now where you have

all the enablers in congress. you have all the people that supports everything he does. you have congressman who says i don't care what the evidence is, he'll not be removed from office. i will not vote for impeachment no matter what the facts are. when you have that happening, anything could happen. it is a very serious, danger to democracy and our future as a country. i never felt any fear that richard nixon would actually stay in office. we did debate what would happen when we want to serve a subpoena. how would we want to get the subpoena to the president and you can't just knock on the door and walk into the white house. >> right. >> that was just a question. in the end, richard nixon said, my lawyer will accept it. we never had a problem. he believed in the rule of law and i am not sure that donald trump is anywhere near that. i think donald trump does

believe his own commentary that he's above the law. >> glenn, this is a man who said under article two, i can do whatever i want. he talks like addict ta dictato. he does not believe in the stuff that people told him about it. when he talks about himself, everyone addresses him as sir. he speaks like moussilini. he's firing the general to have courage and the others just gives in. the other generals that we saw all laid out, mattis orac kelly. we have navy cadets, giving what appears to be the symbol of white power, the upside down okay side and making sure to

count on tv. the okay symbol is a hate symbol. it means white power. even if they thought it is ha-ha funny, what does it mean that military cadets to do something like that. what does it mean? >> they should be dealt with and in vs. gate what they were intending to communicate. joy, i know that the president is trying to corrupt our institutions. he's trying to corrupt the military by pardoning work criminals. i was active duty in the army for 6.5 years. the men and women i serve, i can't speak for them, i can speak for myself, i have a good sense of them. i think they would all be outraged when the president pardons war criminals that their fellow soldiers had to testify against. i can tell you it is very

difficult to get soldiers to testify against soldiers, just like it is difficult to get police officers to testify against police officers but i handle both of those kinds of cases. i think it is a miscalculation by trump when he thinks some pardoning war criminals. so if i have to over stay my presidential term, i am going to call on the military and they're going to rise up to help me. i don't think that's going to happen with the military anymore than i think is going to happen with the law enforcement agency right here in washington, d.c. whether it is fbi and capitol police and secret service and uniform division and postal police. there are so many good men and women and law enforcement that when they hear a bill bar, for example, say if communities don't show police officers the proper respect, they may lose the protection of law enforcement communities, in my 30 years of a prosecutor both military and civilian, i never

once heard a law enforcement officer talked that way. i think all of this is a miscalculation as we have seen there are plenty of people out there who supports trump's hateful rhetoric. >> it is the tactic, calling federal law enforcement scum for doing -- be call federal law enforcement scum and his ag bar sort of have the same sort of nice community. so you know i want to go to you on this. the other thing they have done, the way that world, that earth to keep its people in line is they keep them charge up in a phrase. the idea that these people are taking away your country so you have to be with trump to fight them. i want to play a clip from fox news and sean hannity, one of donald trump's spoke people who's separate from tv news host went after, you included a specific kind of person who they

sent out to get. take a listen. >> for the past 24 hours, they have been throwing a massive temper-tantrum as usual. they're pouting and anger because they are losing. take a look. >> mcconnell is willfully sort of violating norms that we have about his conduct or what is suppose to be in the setting. >> disturbing to hear the head of the jury that he's coordinating with the defendant, that's what's happening here. >> as the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell stated explicitly that he does not care about this institutional process. >> what do all of those three people have in common? >> i wonder what we all have in common? >> you know joy, i keep thinking about if president barack obama

a year before his re-election had joked about, joked about having a third term, what sean hannity, what mike huckabee and sean hannity would be saying about that. they would be having a complete -- their minds would be blowing up. the hypocrisy of all of this is just insane. their guy could do it but we could never ever think about any of the things they're discussing right now. another thing i want the say is that, the problem of all of this is that the people who are watching fox and following donald trump believe him. they believe what they're hearing. they're buying it and consuming it and son when donald trump plants the seeds in their mind about oh, haha, i can have a third term. they believe what he's saying so if he ever decides to switch that seed and turn it into

something real, they'll go into the streets and they'll say yes, you are supposed to have your third term. we are in a dangerous place right now with our democracy and our constitution and republicans are just clearing the path for donald trump. and so this is where we are right now and it is just mind blowing to see all of this. >> yeah, and dean, i talked to other people for the book, they were extra republicans who said what happens is as republicans have slunk in numbehrunk in num used to be two-thirds when it used to be three-quarters, single largest group of voters are going to be latinos. asian americans in a 4.9 electorates. they can't change the data.

the one thing they can do is keep their base hard core and they are hard core. the idea that you can switch these people. >> i talk to more than any of you guys and you are welcome you don't have to talk to them. >> they call my show and they'll begin with a talking point from fox news or donald trump's tweets. donald trump and fox news are leaving otherwise good americans who may be troubled by the actions of donald trump. they'll call me and i will fact-check it and they can't defend it. they'll switch to what about hillary's e-mails and biden and benghazi or whatever it may be. the level of knowledge they have is shallow because they're getting from fox news. you are a prosecutor, it is the guy at the top of the misinformation chart and not the ones at the bottom. it is the hannithannity's and t trumps. misleading them to the point of accepting this reality but the one fact they can't deny, folks, i want my fellow to hear this.

we want nine governorship and over 400 state legislative seats. they can think they're winning. hannity can say the left is losing. that's why they are scared. >> they can't win. the reality is and you can look at polling that shows the respect for democracy is declining across the west among the right and particularly among white christians, they're believing west to democracy, we can't have what we want as a country in democracy, there is a slide towards authoritarian and wanting and preferring a king and preferring someone who can impose their will on the majority. that's where we are going for a lot of americans. what are we doing about that. even we are in the majority, our system is set up. >> we are getting away from the constitutional design. the senate, for example, senator serves six years, the president

serves a four-year term, the idea is how senate can be independent when necessary and when necessary rise above politics. that's not what's happening here. alexander hamilton would be in his feelings about senator like mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham not fulfilling near responsiblilities and the resul is not only they do not respect their constitution, they dumb down our democracy. one article of impeachment talks about free and freear of elections. we'll not have a free and fear election if president trump is not removed from office. he'll cheat. >> jill, the thing about it is, nixon never said he did it. i did the burglary, donald trump literally sort of mousslini into the crime, and he achieved the

level of sort of group control over a third of the american adult population that i don't think any president has ever had. that's what's different here. >> another difference is richard nixon does not know about the burglary, he didn't plan it. he did get involved immediately after it in the cover up but here donald trump is involved in the actual crime. he was on the phone with zelensky asking for a favor, he was directing rudy giuliani to go and ask for an announcement. he didn't care of bidens. he cared that it is announced because he wants to help russia and made it look like it was not russia that hacked the democratic campaign. he wanted to make it look like

it was ukraine who had nothing to do with it. he wants to smear biden so it will hurt him in the campaign. he'ses t he's the one who's at the center of all of this, he's working with a foreign power, that's something that's very, very different and i want to mention one other thing which karine commented on which is the claims of mcconnell to be totally in the pocket of the white house and that he's going to do everything he can and there is no chance of acquittal. i hope there is some sensible brave republicans who like the republicans during the watergate case will make their decisions based on the facts as they are sworn to do in their oath as jurors. i was with a judge last night who raised some questions about what powers the chief justice has as the presiding officer and whether the senate actually when they are not sitting as the legislative branch and sitting

as a jury, whether they are the same powers or immunity so if they commit band act, they may not have congressional immunity and they may not be able to over rule the chief justice and i think that's something worth looking into. >> yes. >> very quickly before we go and as you were brought up karine. donald trump may appears, he may have the situation, he basically refused to participate in functional ways in the election. >> is that surprising though in he did the same thing in 2015 with fox. and the way he saw that was they were making so much money off of his appearance that he wanted a cut in it. he wanted to make money in the revenue they were getting. he saw it like a business deal. if you are not fair to him, he's not going to participate. this is part of what he's doing in changing the norms and doing what ever he wants and republicans allowed him to do this. one quick thing.

a great article right now about how fox news is a national security risk. let's just think about that. state tv for putin or donald trump is a national security risk. >> yeah. >> they're not the worse ones. watch sinclair and mixing it all together. glenn, i am going to give you the last word and i will ask you the same question i ask paul butler. we have to start thinking way outside the box when it comes to donald trump. let's say that he refused to participate in the election or the election comes into question. let's say on election night, it is announced that donald trump won vermont. everyone knows it is not possible. somehow because we had outside influences that got involved in the election. what can the public do about it if they believe that the election is not legislative? is there anything that the public can do? >> it is a tough question.

the public i think has to hope that the institutions that will have to wrestle at those decisions, most notably the courts will hold. when you look at all six opinions that have gone against donald trump in the financial documents and the tax return arena, the courts have held thus far. here is my one concern with chief justice roberts presiding over a senate trial that mitch mcconnell have said it is fixed and the outcome is determining. lindsey graham have said proudly, i will not be a fair juror. by chief justice roberts presiding over that, he better be really careful that he does not tarnish the legislative imi the courts. it is only because donald trump

will cry and wihine about it being unfair and rigged. we'll have to turn to the courts and have confidence that they can still handle the disputes. >> oh wait, both of those they thinks happen. >> quickly, what's your pin, jill? >> jill's pin today is a telephone because that's what started ukraine. it is an old physician phone with a separate receiver and mouthpiece and i think it really does represents the old fashion kind of crime that was committed. >> just the phone. >> i want one for my house. >> we'll end with a happy note. karine jean-pierre and glenn kirshner and jill wine-banks and

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today in service to our duty to the constitution and to our country, the house committee and judiciary introduces two articles of impeachment, charging donald j. trump committing high crime and

misdemeanor. >> on tuesday, articles of impeachment was announced, standing behind the podium was congresswoman maxine waters, the first to call for the removal of the man in the white house. congresswoman maxine waters is joining me now for your moment of maxine. good morning. >> good morning joy, so delighted to be with you. >> thank you very much. i started off this morning with a text i got from a friend of the fact that donald trump is not so much of the o.j. of president, the conclusion seems to be for gone in the senate. it is like one of those old 1950s trial is in the south whe the jury went in 20 minutes of acquitted. it seems more like that. when you see a senator, a united states senator like lindsey graham bragged and laughed of the idea that the constitutional process you are involved in is going to die in the senate as a

foregone conclusion, what do you make of that? when we have heard a lot of discussions about abusive of power, this country has not seen anything yet. they're about to see the republicans run over the constitution, disregard everybody. he told you in advance that he's not going to be fair and so we are about to see something worse than this country has ever seen. usually in this past efforts where there is been impeachment proceedings. you know the senate and the house will get together and agree on the rules. mcconnell is not thinking about what democrats want to do or how to involve democrats in setting up the rules of what's going to take place and so-called jury trial of the president. the presidency will never be the

same. i want to tell you they have been doing this, joy. the president of the united states met with the russian foreign minister in the middle of all of this impeachment proceeding. rudy giuliani ran up to the ukraine in the middle of these. they are in our face, they're in the face of americans and it is terrible. it is going to be awful. they're not going to cooperate. they're going to do worse than what you have alluded to about what happened in the south years ago. >> and the thing is lindsey graham is also planning to put rudy giuliani in on the stand in his own committee where he's chairman of the judiciary committee to do a show trial of the bidens instead of doing his job on impeachment. i mean the fact that he has the power to do that, it should be frighten to americans. what do you tell your constituents about impeachment now that it is arrived, about the fact that it is feudal. >> i tell my constituents that

the house of representatives, the democrats and the house have done their job. the constitution gives us the responsibility for impeachment when there is a president that's dangerous to this country and when there is a president who's ignoring the constitution who committed high crime and misdemeanor. we have done our job. the judiciary committee gotten a resolution out of the judiciary committee it is goi committee, it is going to come out the floor. we are dpoigoing to vote and sut the judiciary committee and impeachment resolution will come forward. now, i tell them watch what happens in the senate. you are going to see what happens when your democracy is undermine. you are going to see what happens when you have people in power who disregard the constitution who don't care about the democracy, who open in the door to putin and russia and you are going to see that things

are going to change if this president remains in office, you will see him align himself with putin and russia and he already says, you know, that he's not going to condemn him. he's not going to do anything to talk about the fact that we have been undermined already about putin and russia. they're going to do it again. this president does not care. >> yeah. >> i am going to play lindsey graham. >> he's off the scale. they're telling us they don't care what we think. >> yeah. >> they're telling us they're going to do what they want to do. they're not going to have rules that are going to be fair and they're going to run through so-called impeachment jury inquiry and they're not going to do anything. >> i want to talk about the other branch of government that's involved. i should not say impeachment. it is a fact.

donald trump will be an impeached president, there is nothing he can do about that. that remains on his record. it is clearly bothering him because he keeps tweeting. it is a real sanction on him that the house has the power to meet out, i should say that to the audience. it is nothing feudal about that. there is the other branch of government which is the judiciary. there is a supreme court that's agreed to hear of financial records that's in your committee. do you expect that even if donald trump loses that case, will those records ever be turned over? >> i don't know what this president will do. we have worked very hard. the court system moves slowly. i wish that we could have had some decisions prior to the impeachment coming up to the judiciary committee but we are going to get the supreme court that's going to hear the case on these documents and whether or not they should comply with our

subpoenas, it won't be heard until march. i am going to hope that we are going to get this supreme court that's going to be fair and that will rule in our favor, we don't know at this point. >> we shall see. i know you will remain on top. keep us posted. congressman maxine waters, thank you very much. >> you are so welcome. thank you for helping to provide information to our public about what's going on. >> thank you. really appreciate it. >> you are welcome. >> coming up, we'll tell you what the ship is saying about donald trump's impeachment. next. about donald trump's impeachment next since my dvt blood clot

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president above their oath of office. >> i am not trying to hide the fact that i have the same accusations in the process. i don't need any witnesses. >> house intelligence chairman adam schiff, senator lindsey graham does not see this way. he thinks democrats are going to be the one in trouble. joining me now, civil, trial and criminal defense aattornttorney midwin charles and ethan dion and jennifer. where to begin? >> every one of these

republicans would be voting to impeach him. if it were barack obama, i would vote to impeach him. >> midwin, we play the what if it was obama game a lot and probably too much but the lindsey graham showed us what would be if it is bill clinton. and now all of a sudden he's a whole different guy. >> what i find most unfortunate about this is lindsey graham is an elected official. he's someone who taken an oath to the constitution and not to this individual president. he is someone who railed against donald trump not too long ago. if we elected donald trump, we would be in trouble. he was against donald trump and all of a sudden he did this 180 and it does not make any sense. the 180 has been complete and there is no discernment and

individual thought or anything that donald trump represents anymore which is odd, right? it is one thing to disagree with someone. we all disagree with people and our family members but this idea of being hook/line and sinker on everything for donald trump, it does not make any sense. this does not go well for our democracy. as we know the house going forward with an impeachment is pretty much an indictment. the trial will take place in the senate and the senators are going to take an oath which they agreed to be impartial to the evidence. he's saying in advance of this he's not going to do this. i can't imagine walking into the courtroom and having any party that represents the justice. i have made up my mind. if the judge did that or a juror or a judge, they would be removed and not participate in that trial. the idea that he's so bold to say this in advance of this trial, shows us how much they

are chipping away from our democratic norms. >> you wrote a new op-ed that says the following. mitch mcconnell is in violation of his oath and scheming with the president to deny the country of the trial. we should not forget what it takes, an army of legislative staffs to investigate the corrupt president. that does feel kind of like it is sort of, that's something you may write at the end like olog ologioloologa eulogy. >> it is a eulogy for the republican party. i had a friendly argument with

some of my former republican friends as to the party worth saving or not. i won that one and they are not. i think what you have going on is this perfect, complete difference between the party. on one side you have adam schiff and people who went through 17 witnesses, hundreds of hours of testimonies, they tried to get documents and on the other hand, you have republicans who you have lindsey graham announcing that he's going to lie when he ta t takes it up. the act of being a juror is fundamentally different. you have to take a new oath that says i will do impartial justice. is he going to lie? that's what they do. they take serious matters of norms and ethics and democracy and they make a joke out of it. perhaps, the joke will be on them. perhaps a handful, that's all it

takes of republicans coming up with fair rules to demand actual factual witnesses and to have a process of refusal when a juror demonstrates a refusal to understand and accept the evidence is what we need. we are looking at you, mit romney and susan collins and you people who say you are fair and impartial. this is their moment. we need 51 people for the rules and those few republicans who can pull back from the farce. >> there has not been a whole lot of that going around among republicans. let me play lindsey graham or whether it is too infuriating or too much. you with in the lottery for having to answer this. lindsey graham yesterday predicting an era of bipartisanship and everyone will rally around the king when it is

said and done. >> we find ourselves at home and great conflict. if you wonder what's going to happen in washington and impeachment will be over mid january, personally i think president trump will come out stronger and the good news is everybody in politics and america needs to prove american public who are not all completely crazy. so they may be a spirit of compromised coming post impeachment, or political ofness ofness necessity or anything else. >> it is appropriate that he was in a land that has a king. he considers to be his king, donald trump. they thrown away the second article of impeachment is defiance of them and defiance of their own party. have we reached the point where one of two parties are essent l

essentially monarchist. >> the last week or so i have gotten more alarmed than i was before. i was obviously not particularly calm about what this presidency means. what you see last week was horrific. lindsey graham, the notion that we are all going to rally donald trump after this is over. but, that's not even the worst of it. the worst of it is as you alluded to earlier in the show, a president calling american law enforcement when they go after him scum? that's the language of a authoritarian. and when you have republican members of congress looking at what happened and saying this is okay. let's take the party label off the president. the president of the united

states goes to a foreign power and says i want you to investigate a political opponent of mine. that's desperatism. here you have people like lindsey graham saying that's okay. this is very scary for the country. >> yeah. a decade from now, a democratic president goes to china and says what have you got from ivanka or they go to the saudis and say what have you got with jared, did he bribe you to get money for the 666 buildings? when this comes back, it could come back to their monarch and the republican chosen royal family. it always comes back. they don't seem to think so. my producer told me rudy giuliani has now tweeted in a form of communication "in my next thread of tweets, i will be sharing some evidence i have

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it is that time to find out "who won the week," back with me are midwin and e.j. and jennifer. >> who won for me is greta thunberg. she won "time" person of the year. i think it is wonderful. she's 16 years old. she had an impactful year. it is one thing to be a climate change activist, she's been able to succeed in getting government and head of state to take a look at carbon emissions and all kinds of things. i think she should be applauded and i applaud greta and the manner she handled donald trump when he tried to attack her by

changing her tried to deal with donald trump tweeting about her, and she changed her twitter that i am just worried about my problems as a young teenager, and so she threw a little shade, but she is a leader and rising above all of the stuff, and the honors she has been given. >> and it is to be the young people who have led the charge, because they will inherit the earth. >> she stood up to the birther and his wife is also a birther and she stood up for herself. and let's go to e.j. dionne, and your candidate for "who won the week"? >> well, during the army mccarthy hearings in the 1950s when joe mccarthy was riding high with falsehood after

falsehood and he called up joseph welch by looking at mccarthy and saying, you have done enough. have you no sense of decency? so my winner of the week is representative jamie raskin for having the joseph welch moment, and here it is. >> common, get real, be serious. we know exactly what happened here. 17 witnesses. it is uncontra ikt ddicted and is no rival story, and no rooil st , rival story at all, and get back to the facts of what happened. the president of the united states shook down a foreign power to get involved in the election. >> and god bless him, because he combined passion, and reason and principle, and telling the republicans to stop engaging in this distraction and played over

and over again. and that is what is going on here. >> and yes, that is speaker pelosi and something that is tough cookies. >> and so is my law school, if i may interject, because he is from my law school at the american university of law. >> and this is and elijah cummings school of law. and good for maryland to producing those tough people. >> and maryland again. they produced nancy pelosi and she could win every week of this president, because she runs rings around her. and look at what she did this week, and took a divided caucus and united them in totality behind impeachment, and got behind two sleekly addressed articles of impeachment, and at the same time she brings together the agreement on

replaced nafta and passes a revolutionary prescription drug control bill and makes sure that the government is going to be fund and doesn't shutdown all in the same week, and then to top it off, she is going to madrid for the climate change discussions and represents the united states at the commemoration of the battle of the bulge. so there is someone behaving presidential and it is not donald trump, but it is nancy pelosi. so once again, a woman is doing the job of somebody else, but not getting the title. >> i just want to say well said by jen, but this show is going to have to impose a quota on each of us, because nancy pelosi seems to be a winner every week on this show and in reality. >> and on that last bit, she had the baby hairs on point. and she had the baby hairs together and that is a win on that one. so this is tough, and i will have a runner-up and winner and it is unfair, but it is my

rules. another amazing moment is hank johnson and here he is checking congressman gaetz who was trying to throw shade on hunter biden in the worst way. >> i would say that the pot calling the kettle black is not something that we should do. i don't know -- [ laughter ] -- i don't know what members if any have had the problems of substance abuse or busted in the dui and i don't know. but if i did, i wouldn't raise it against anyone on this committee. i don't think it is proper. >> well, that is a very good runner-up, but my winners of the week are the black girl magic and they won that black women are miss usa, miss america and miss teen usa and miss world and this is first time that all of the titles were held by black

women, and the new miss universe is from south africa and we have a quickie to play it real quick. >> i group in the world where a woman who looks like me with my kind of skin and my kind of hair was never considered to be beautiful. i think it is time that stops today. i want children to look at me, and see my face, and i want them to see their faces reflected in mine. thank you. >> and you can go to my twitter feed to see miss world, and miss jamaica and miss nigeria giving her the all world support. thank you all. more "a.m. joy" after the break. . ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan.

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that our show today and joe has to go, and he is leaving. "a.m. joy" will be back next week at the same time. and joe just walked out. >> yes. and you are headed to the fun holiday party and we are right behind you on sunday. and i wish i could come to yours. >> yes, leave and come back. it is a pause and wait. >> and all right. for everybody at 1:00. if i am not here, that is where i am. and a good day for all of you here from msnbc headquarters in new york, and high noon in the east and 9:00 a.m. in the west. and barreling towards the full house vot o