tv Politics Nation With Al Sharpton MSNBC December 15, 2019 2:00pm-3:00pm PST
2:00 pm
good evening and welcome to "politics nation" live from chicago. tonight's lead, the final touch-ups. that's what the house judiciary committee is doing right now on the impeachment report ahead of an expected vote by the full house on wednesday. now what seems to be clear is that the house will at least try to conduct a constitutional process while the senate won't
2:01 pm
even bother. how so? we know that republican senator lindsey graham wants the impeachment process to, quote, die quickly. and the majority leader, mitch mcconnell, also said the impeachment case will be dead on arrival. one way or another, history will be made this week, and both sides are digging in. also on tonight's show, the next democratic lineup is set, but as you can see here, there will be no black or brown faces on that stage. we'll talk to a supporter of mayor buttigieg, pete buttigieg, and ask about how he plans to earn the trust of black voters. and later, reverend jesse jackson will join me live in studio. he has a new book coming out that you all have to read. but of course we'll get things started with impeachment and the upcoming house vote.
2:02 pm
joining me to discuss that is someone who will be voting on the articles of impeachment this week, democratic congresswoman karen bass. she's a member of the judiciary committee and the chairperson of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman bass, you sat on the committee. you heard the entire impeachment inquiry. do you predict the house will vote to impeach and vote to affirm the two articles of impeachment? and if so, why? >> well, i'm confident that the votes will be there. i know that there will be some of my colleagues who feel that they can't vote, but the majority will. i think amongst those of us on the judiciary committee, we all had a sense of urgency. the fact that the president was abusing his office by essentially conducting a shakedown of a president of another country who is at war,
2:03 pm
and he was going to withhold the military aid or did withhold it for a couple of months because he wanted him to conduct an investigation or announce an investigation against the person that the president perceives as his chief rival, former vice president biden. so our concern is, is that if he is that bold to violate the law like that, to abuse his office, then we don't know if he's going to stop. i mean just think of the irony, rev. we worry about voter suppression. we worry about issues, you know, where people are blocked from voting. we worry about russian interference. and now we have to worry about the president interfering in the election? he is essentially was trying to put his foot on the scale so he would be re-elected. that is horrible. it is an abuse of power. there is the urgency that he needs to be stopped now. the only thing that stopped him was the fact that he got busted. so he gave over the aid, but we have to make sure that he is not going to interfere in the 2020
2:04 pm
election. >> isn't it also at stake, congresswoman, that if there's no accountability here, that we have set a precedent that will go forward in history that a president can, in fact, use leverage to try and get a foreign power to impact an american or united states election and that is allowable and not impeachable or even accountable? >> well, i think that's absolutely right. one thing we've known about this president from the very beginning is that he has no respect for the rule of law. and so in addition to abuse of power, you know, the other reason we're impeaching him is obstruction of congress. so something else that he did that was completely unprecedented. he has not cooperated at all, in any way, shape, or form with congress, and that is a violation. that was actually one of the things that nixon violated. he didn't want to give up any information until he was absolutely forced to. and so abuse of power,
2:05 pm
obstruction of congress are the two major reasons why i believe we will vote to impeach him. but, you know, because he's been such a lawless president, i think he's lowered the standard for everybody. so just think about it. mitch mcconnell, who is going to be essentially the foreman of the jury, has come out publicly and said that he is biased. he is going to work with the defendant. so you go into a courtroom and you have the head of the jury talking to the person that is on trial and saying, hey, don't worry. i got your back. we're going to get through with this case really soon. so the level of corruption and lawlessness, i feel has seeped into the culture of the capitol, period. i don't believe that mitch mcconnell would have been so bold to make a statement like that a year ago. >> now, when we hear mitch mcconnell, as you say, is tantamount to being the foreman of a jury saying that he is
2:06 pm
coordinating with the defense. >> right. >> and that he is going to expedite the trial, have we become so that we are normalizing such reckless disregard for the process that people are not even -- in this case mcconnell, graham, and others -- they're not even pretending to have a fair process, where the american people feel that there is a fair and balanced hearing on both sides of the arguments here? >> you're absolutely right, but think about this. what is going to happen when the chief justice administers the oath? you know the oath that all of them take because the senators are being sworn in. they have to raise their right hand and swear that they will be impartial, unbiased, and they will abide by the constitution. how can he do that? if he does raise his hand and swear, in my opinion i don't understand how that's not a violation. he has said what he's going to do, and so has lindsey graham.
2:07 pm
>> now, the politics of this, do you see any possibility that any of the republicans on the other side of the aisle from you and democrats are going to break rank and vote for these two articles when it goes to the house, presumably on wednesday, or in the senate do you think some republicans may operate differently because clearly we've seen at least one democrat say today, new jersey representative jeff van drew, i believe, said that he will leave the democratic party, become a republican purely because of impeachment. is he an indication of more to come, and do you expect any on the republican side to come and stand up and say they're breaking with their party? >> well, in terms of the congress member who by the end of the week will be a republican, i don't think it's because of impeachment. it's because he knew he was going to lose his race. apparent the democrats in his
2:08 pm
district are tired of him, so that's why he's jumping ship. but, no, i don't believe that any of the republicans will break rank, and i will tell you the ones that i'm disappointed in are the ones that are retiring. they are the ones that could vote for this, and when you talk to them off the record, they admit they know what's going on. they know that this is not right. but they are afraid of the bully, and so we have a president who operates in a thuggish manner, who that if any of them decided to vote, he would obliterate them with his tweets. if you remember right after the whistle-blower came forward and said what had happened, a few of them said that they didn't feel it was appropriate what he did. he blasted them. the next day they were all saying it was fine. remember he said his phone call was perfect. when we went through the 14-hour hearing the other day, not one of my republican colleagues said that the president did anything wrong at all. the fact that we would normalize
2:09 pm
corruption in this country, i think is just very, very profound, and it's all the more reason why we need to relieve the nation and frankly the world of this presidency as soon as possible. >> now, tell us on another matter what the congressional black caucus was able -- in the midst of all of this was able to accomplish this weekend in regards to hbc funding and student loan debt. >> well, thanks so much for asking. there is the misperception that the only thing we do on the hill is worry about impeaching the president. we actually have been getting a lot of work done, and i'm very proud of my cbc colleagues. you know, you have chairman bobby scott. you have alma adams from north carolina. she's the one that founded and chairs the bipartisan caucus on hbcus. and the two of them are just very dedicated. what they delivered this week, a vote on the futures act, which provides permanent funding for hbcus, and that is a huge
2:10 pm
accomplishment because every few years we would have to reauthorize the funding. and you know how fickle congress can be. so we were fighting for the funding all year. but it finally went through, and i believe that it will go through in the senate as well. so we are working on legislation at the same time as we are trying to relieve the nation of this presidency. i will tell you that in february, the congressional black caucus is also working on pulling together a leadership, a national leadership conference because 2020 is going to be such an important year. so it's called the future of black america, a call to action. >> that's a big deal, and it's a big deal what happened on the hbcu funding. let me ask you, you mentioned 2020. many of the congressional black caucus members, including you endorsed kamala harris for president. we now see the debate is scheduled for this thursday in los angeles. where will you and other caucus members go in terms of an
2:11 pm
endorsement of another candidate, or is this too early for you to decide? >> i think it's too early to decide. i do. so i think we'll be keeping our powder dry for now, and unfortunately all of us will be here in d.c., so we will miss the debate. >> all right. congresswoman karen bass, thank you for being with us. for a quick analysis on the impeachment, let's bring in two political strategists, republican rina shah and democrat felipe rein. as we're looking at the impeachment, one of the strikes things to me is when we watched the hearings, the republicans never really addressed the issues of whether or not the president had in fact held the money back, the military aid that was approved, and held it back as leverage to try to get the president of ukraine to smear his potential
2:12 pm
opponent, joe biden and his son. they went through a lot of name-calling, went through trying to attack biden, but never really addressed the issue at hand. is that a concession that they know the president did it and that he's guilty, so there's no reason to argue that? what gives why they did not make a legal argument against what was being alleged and finally ended up in the two articles of impeachment? >> well, these congressional republicans who support the president know they're going to go farther with a nonlegal argument, and so therefore they even stay away from any language that could particularly make them seem like, you know what, we're confessing. the man's no good. he made a mistake. they're not even going there. they are reaching over that and saying, we didn't hear you, congressional democrats, talk about bribery or extortion. these two charges are ludicrous. i heard from republicans that these charges are unconstitutional, that they don't even warrant impeachment.
2:13 pm
that was also confusing to me in some manner. but what i heard over and over -- and frankly it was no surprise -- is that these democrats don't like the president, and they've never liked him. this is a personality conflict. this is about democrats being sore losers. i heard from congressman matt gaetz of florida 1, a district i used to work in the office of here on capitol hill. he went so far as to say maybe you're all upset about how hillary clinton worked for you, invoking her name during a judiciary committee hearing. i thought i'd heard it all, rev. i think the republicans have really done some gymnastics that probably has a lot of them having backaches, but guess what? they don't care. they know they won it with their republican party. they made like democrats look like sore losers. >> whether one likes donald trump or not, if donald trump by his own admission did ask president zelensky to announce an investigation against his
2:14 pm
potential opponent and held up the military aid that was voted on and given by congress, that has nothing to do with whether you like or dislike someone. whether you like or dislike a bank robber, you still deal with the fact he robbed a bank. >> and by the way, it's okay to not like the bank robber because he's doing something he should not be doing, and he's doing it at your expense. so, you know, close to 66 million people voted against donald trump. i imagine the vast majority of them, me included, don't like the man. that is okay. so go a little further than that. the argument you just made is simply too rational for the republicans, which is why, to go back to your original question, that they are just having these, you know, unhinged moments where they are yelling and screaming. i noticed the other day, you know, i'm one of these people that has the tv on all day, but i don't sit in front of it. and i every now and then would hear a higher pitch, a higher
2:15 pm
decibel person, and it was invariably a republican. it was either matt gaetz or jim jordan or collins. these folks yell because that is all they have is hatred and yelling. and the democrats -- look, i would love for someone to correct me if i'm wrong. i don't remember a single democrat in the last few weeks on house judiciary or house intel who raised his voice, who shouted, who disparaged either a witness or one of their colleagues. and they're doing it because that's all they got, and let's also be clear about something. it's not just for the audience of one. yes, they all make sure to say what donald trump wants them to say so they can get invited to baseball games. they are also doing it for their larger audience. let's not pretend that the republican party and what it has become does not like to see their representatives being exactly that way. this is not just a matter of donald trump. >> let me hold you right there.
2:16 pm
stay right there. don't go anywhere. coming up, as the house gets ready for its vote this week, new numbers show more americans may be getting onboard the impeachment train. we'll dig into that next. but first, my colleague richard lui with today's other top stories. richard? >> hey, rev. some of the stories we're watching this hour, the trump administration intends to announce the drawdown of about 4,000 troops from afghanistan as early as next week. president trump has pushed for the withdrawal for some time, including his thanksgiving trip to afghanistan. secretary of defense mark esper says the reduction will happen even if the taliban does not negotiate an agreement. a north carolina community is in shock after this surveillance video of a sheriff's deputy slamming a boy to the ground made public. the vance county officer is seen walking down a hallway with the student. then he suddenly picks him up, throws him to the ground two times. the child is said to be in good health. the deputy is now on paid leave pending an investigation.
2:17 pm
new orleans is under a state of emergency this weekend. the reason here, a cyberattack on the city's computer systems. local officials are still trying to figure out how that attack got into the system. they did confirm that no information was compromised. federal and state investigators are now looking into the source of the attack. more "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton right after the break. with trelegy. the only fda-approved once-daily 3-in-1 copd treatment. ♪ trelegy ♪ the power of 1,2,3 ♪ trelegy ♪ 1,2,3 ♪ trelegy man: with trelegy and the power of 1, 2, 3, i'm breathing better. trelegy works three ways to open airways, keep them open and reduce inflammation, for 24 hours of better breathing. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. trelegy is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis.
2:18 pm
call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. think your copd medicine is doing enough? maybe you should think again. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy and the power of 1, 2, 3. ♪ trelegy, 1,2,3 man: save at trelegy.com. doprevagen is the number oneild mempharmacist-recommendeding? ♪ trelegy, 1,2,3 memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. ♪for the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.♪♪ we go the extra mile to bring your holidays home.
2:21 pm
nation." as we head into what is likely the final week of impeachment proceedings in the house, new numbers show that not only do half of americans support impeachment and removal of the president, but that number has actually gone up over the last two months. back with me, republican strategist and founder of woman's public leadership network, rina shah. and felipe reines, former spokesperson for hillary clinton and co-host of the podcast unredacted. the numbers going up over the last two months calling for the president's impeachment and removal, there are those that are saying these proceedings would backfire on the democrats. these numbers don't seem to say that yet. are you getting any data or information that this could possibly be a political problem for the democrats and possibly
2:22 pm
backfire, or is it the opposite? >> i mean this is pretty simple. donald trump is being impeached. that is very bad for him. no matter what the republicans say, no matter what he says, no matter what he says about his base and about fund-raising, this is very, very bad. the needle hasn't just moved in the last two months. if you go back to the beginning of the year, you're looking at numbers that are for impeachment in the 20s and 30s, and here we are at 54 in total for impeachment and 50 for removal. it's worth noting those are fox poll numbers. this is going one way. whether he is removed or not, this is politically bad for the person who is being impeached. i don't think any of us have to be strategists to know that it is bad and they are going to suffer for it. and let's also be clear. they might not remove him, but that does not mean the republican party will not suffer sometime between next year and
2:23 pm
2020 election and suffer for their part in this. >> now, let me ask you this on a personal level, rinah. the fact is i've known donald trump for 25 years. had other times he would try to be a democrat, would come to national conventions. one of the thing that is core to him is that he's always fought for legitimacy. he was never looked at as a peer by the legitimate business community in new york and around the country. now for him to be impeached, even if he's not convicted and removed, it gives him the imprimatur that he's illegitimate. there will be always be the asterisk on his name that schoolchildren will see.
2:24 pm
is this the reason we're seeing the tweets from mr. trump that he is feeling at the core that his legitimacy as a president will be permanently stained? >> i read a lot of armchair analysis about this, and as somebody who was glued to the tv for those hearings, i think it's important for those in washington to listen to what is saying. i think it's important to get outside of the power centers like new york and l.a. and just listen to the average american. they're not tuned in as much, rev. do people pay attention? that's what leads me to believe that donald trump will frankly be just fine, like bill clinton was. and i say this because the layperson does not remember bill clinton was impeached and then acquitted in the senate. so was he really an illegitimate president? no, he's still going around. >> but he did not run again. bill clinton did not face another election. >> right. >> but this election is before trump, and you're going to have
2:25 pm
commercials phillipe that democrats can use that will drive a lot of this home if he's an impeached president. there's a difference between clinton -- >> there's a huge difference. bill clinton won in a legitimate electoral landslide in both '92 and '96. donald trump's electoral win was ranked 46 in american history. his 63 million in popular vote was 3 million behind hillary clinton's 66 million votes. this is not the same as bill clinton. and by the way -- and i've written about this before in an op-ed -- it did hurt bill clinton long term. yes, people don't know that he was impeached but not removed. they know he finished his term. but republicans did pretty well in the following 20 years. >> right. >> so i really don't think there's anything -- and also what is donald trump competing with? is he competing with impeachment is going to stain his legacy on infrastructure, on bullying? what is it that is going to have
2:26 pm
to emerge as his real work? this is all that he has done for three years, which is either commit a crime or cover up the crime that he committed or make it worse by obstructing any investigations of the crime. >> he doesn't care about that. he's transformed an entire party to follow him. >> oh, sure he did. >> that, to him is one of his greatest successes. he's got legions of people at his rallies. that's what he always talks about, look at how many people admire. look at the people in my cabinet. the numbers don't matter because he knows that the average person is not reading that black and white text. those are great figures, you're right. but the fact that bill clinton is still respected, beloved by the democratic party -- >> because of the work he did. >> we're going to have to leave it there. bill clinton did not face re-election afterward. it's not the same setup. >> bill clinton didn't go through 50 years of his adult
2:27 pm
life trying to live up to his father. >> thank you for being on. coming up, polling says mayor pete buttigieg is struggling with african-american voters, but one of his black colleagues on the city council in his hometown says he's the candidate to choose. she'll join me next. be right back. (employee) enterprise car sales has access to over half a million preowned vehicles, most with tech features like blind spot detection, back up camera... [kristen gasps] (employee) because you never know what might be behind you. (kristen bell) does the sloth come standard? (kristen bell vo) looking to buy? enterprise makes it easy.
2:28 pm
so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking,
2:29 pm
or life-threatening allergic and skin reactions. decrease alcohol use. use caution driving or operating machinery. tell your doctor if you've had mental health problems. the most common side effect is nausea. talk to your doctor about chantix. the most common sid(grandson)s nausea. wow... (grandfather) that was me, seventy years ago. (vo) some things are worth preserving. you can choose the national park foundation to get two hundred and fifty dollars from subaru when you get a new subaru, like the all new outback. (vo 2) get 0.9% on a new outback during the subaru share the love event.
2:31 pm
we've got a whole lot more of "politics nation" coming your way. up next, we'll talk to one of mayor pete buttigieg's newest supporters, a woman sitting on the south bend, indiana, city council, about how he plans to shore up his support of african-american voters as we move quickly into the primary season. also i will be joined by one of my mentors, the reverend jesse jackson, to discuss his new book and what he thinks younger generations will be able to learn from it. stay with our network all night long. tonight kasie d.c. will be joined by judiciary committee member zoe lofgren about the upcoming impeachment vote and how she thinks it will fare in the senate. that's tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc.
2:33 pm
you wanna see something amazing? go to hilton instead of a travel site and you'll experience a whole new range of emotions like... the relaxing feeling of knowing you're getting the best price. these'll work. the utter delight of free wi-fi... . oh man this is the best part. isn't that you? yeah. and the magic power of unlocking your room with your phone. i can read minds too. really? book at hilton.com. if you find a lower rate, we match it and give you 25% off that stay. expect better. expect hilton.
2:34 pm
as a doctor, i agree with cdc guidance. i recommend topical pain relievers first... like salonpas patch large. it's powerful, fda-approved to relieve moderate pain, yet non-addictive and gentle on the body. salonpas. it's good medicine. hisamitsu. ♪ spread a little love today ♪ spread a little love my-y way ♪ ♪ spread a little something to remember ♪ philadelphia cream cheese. made with fresh milk and real cream makes your recipes their holiday favourites. the holidays are made with philly. ♪for the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.♪♪ their holiday favourites. we go the extra mile to bring your holidays home.
2:35 pm
2:36 pm
joining me now is sharon mcbride. she is a councilwoman in south bend and has recently endorsed mayor buttigieg, her mayor, for the presidency of the united states. thank you for being on with us, councilwoman. tell me why you've decided to endorse mayor pete. >> thank you for having me. well, one of the key things is to change the narrative that has been portrayed about him nationally, that he does not have minority support, and i am one of many who are black and in support of mayor pete. and i think that regardless of the polls, he has worked hard and will continue to work hard to get those numbers up. a lot of the other candidates have the national name recognition, and unlike mayor pete. we know that he has to work twice as hard to stay on the ground and to stay in north carolina and engage with black voters. and i think once they get to know who he is and what his plans are, they will be able to
2:37 pm
increase that number tremendously. >> now, there are those that raise that there has been some controversy in south bend with the mayor and the black community around the police chief and around a recent police killing. how has that affected him on the ground with the ordinary and average black voter in south bend and what could be instructive to black voters that he seems to be struggling with in the polls nationwide? >> unfortunately, you know, police-involved shootings of black men and black women for that matter is not uncommon, tragically as that may seem, throughout our country. and i think with the shooting that recently happened in june, there's a lot of hurt in the black community not understanding with the families, and i think just continuing to -- for mayor pete to take the reins and owning up to some of the missteps that may have taken
2:38 pm
place and owning up to saying, how can we better serve? how can we make sure that all of our police officers are equipped with body cameras? how can we make sure we look at policy and change and make sure that that doesn't happen again? and since that time, we have had with council and administration, eight meetings with the police department and the community members to say, hey, how can we heal together and move forward? and i think we'll continuing to engage with minorities, it will make better ways and positive impact through the black community throughout this whole country. >> does he have a record as mayor of south bend of working with the black community and achieving some concrete things in terms of trying to make the city fairer and more equal between those of color and the white community? >> yes. specifically in 2016, he hired the first ever black diversity and inclusion officer, who was
2:39 pm
charged with having a diversity study done. and at the completion of that study, we found that things were what we thought, that racial disparities does in fact exist, that inequality in wages and housing issues and redlining that takes place in the minority community. so with those results, that gave us a baseline to work together and go out into the neighborhoods and say what can we do better to engage blacks? how can we offer them affordable housing? and specifically in my district, we have partnered with a church community and the neighborhoods and we have built two homes and sold them to low-income -- to moderate income families. we broke ground for two additional. coming up in the spring of this year, we'll have 14 additional homes directly in the black neighborhoods to help with affordable housing. that's just one example of many. >> now, so these are things initiated by pete buttigieg as
2:40 pm
mayor that led to concrete things. so when he comes with his douglas plan, you're saying that he, in fact, has began doing some of that in his tenure as mayor at home in south bend, which is the record that we'd have to go on since that's the office he'd held? >> absolutely, as well as raising the minimum wage with council. you know, the minimum wage was $7.25 an hour. now all city employees come in at $10.10 an hour. if you're a full-time employee, you'll have a minimum of $30,000 a year, which equates to $14.46 an hour. so those are things that were implemented in 2016 way before he thought of even running for president of the united states. >> now, a brand-new poll of voters in only super tuesday states shows mayor pete in fourth place, but he has less than half of the support of
2:41 pm
biden, warren, or sanders. will the man definitely stay in the race until may 5th, the primary date in indiana? >> absolutely. i think that, again, he doesn't have the national recognition as the other candidates, and i think his team is on the ground. he has a very diverse team, very professional team that have been going to south carolina and alabama and will continue to do so. and i think as much and more engagement that takes place, that minorities alike will get an opportunity to personally sit down and talk with him, talk about real issues and things that affect him and see that he is, in fact, a leader that can make change. >> all right. thank you for being with us tonight. sharon mcbride, councilwoman from south bend. many thanks. up next, all the sermons and speeches of reverend jesse jackson. you do not want to miss that.
2:42 pm
some things are harder than you thought. and others are easier. like screening for colon cancer with me, cologuard. i'm noninvasive and you use me at home. i'm also effective. i find 92% of colon cancers using dna in your stool. so why wait? cologuard is not for those at high risk for colon cancer. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your healthcare provider if cologuard is right for you. most insured patients pay $0. apps except work.rywhere... why is that? is it because people love filling out forms? maybe they like checking with their supervisor to see how much vacation time they have. or sending corporate their expense reports. i'll let you in on a little secret. they don't. by empowering employees to manage their own tasks,
2:43 pm
paycom frees you to focus on the business of business. ♪ music too shabby! too much! i can rent this? for that price? absolutely. it's just right! book your just right rental at thrifty.com. it's just right! ♪ do you recall, not long ago ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪ ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we need someone to lean on ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we needed somebody to lean on ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ all we need is someone to lean on ♪
2:44 pm
the ones that make a truebeen difference in people's lives. and mike's won them, which is important right this minute, because if he could beat america's biggest gun lobby, helping pass background check laws and defeat nra backed politicians across this country, beat big coal, helping shut down hundreds of polluting plants
2:45 pm
2:46 pm
we can go home and face our people. our vision is clear. >> welcome back. one of my next guests made history as a force in the civil rights movement and the progression of all americans. and now reverend jesse jackson senior has chronicled some of his most famous words into a new book. the book "keeping hope alive" is filled with his most rousing and inspiring speeches and sermons. it includes his famous speeches from the 1984 and '88 democratic party conventions after his historic presidential campaigns. joining me now live in studio here in chicago, the reverend jesse louis jackson sr. and the book's editor, grace g. sun kim. glad to have both of you. reverend jackson, this book is
2:47 pm
not only from the '80s, all the way up to just a couple years ago, there are speeches in here from south africa, from europe, all over the world that you've inspired people. and we finally get it for the holiday to give as gifts. >> al, let me say, the three major forces, king's assassination, and the convention, he used the platform to organize a movement. the service will be this coming saturday. and we should recognize and honor mayor mathatch. >> i was 18 years old at that convention, and you made a rousing speech there. i think clearly a lot of what we've seen today is because of
2:48 pm
your work and dick hatch's work and continuing even now what you're doing. >> thank you. >> now, reverend jackson, why is it so important that they see 50 years of some of your greatest speeches and sermons? what do you hope people do as they go out -- the book comes out tomorrow on amazon -- as they go out and give this is a holiday gift? what do you hope they walk away with, with this book? >> dr. king said rosa parks sits in the front of the bus and she's apologized. why see from the front? the faith and law. and we work diligently to -- mandela's freedom in south africa. the campaign was designed to open up doors and those doors are wide open today because of it. >> you have put this book together. you edited the book, grace, and you were born in south korea.
2:49 pm
>> yes. >> what global impact did these words have that made it so important to you that you wanted to work so tediously to make this happen? i've worked with reverend jackson. my mother brought me to him when i was 12, so i know he's not easy because he's in a different city, if not different nation every day. but you really wanted to make this happen. why? >> because it's so important. i thought it was very important when i saw the impact that he has made globally, not just in the u.s. i was born in korea but i was raised in canada, so i'm a canadian citizen and a u.s. citizen. as i teach in a classroom, without a book, it's very difficult to continue to speak about the great works that reverend jackson has done globally. so i thought it was very important. i started in 2012 and finally
2:50 pm
it's coming out. so it's wonderful to see the progression of his thoughts and how, you know, the speeches are not just the speeches in the u.s. we have it from thailand, qatar, south africa, india. it's a global -- his life has been global and the impact has been global. and put it in a book form. we have dr. eddie glaude writing the afterword. the foreword i and he has -- >> who is an ally of dr. king. >> so they all write from a very person perspective. >> so many people back in the civil rights movement. and martin luther king's assassination, over the housing act. we never stopped moving. that's why dr. king was killed. there is no back in the day. the struggle continues. we must defend, protect, and gain our civil rights.
2:51 pm
and build a broader coalition. for the rainbow coalition has such meaning to me. we live under the law. andla we learn the survival par and learn to live together. we're trying to say that living together in the world. >> the world is not just for the african community but for asians, hispanic, native american. it's for the global society that we can kind of live together and work together. the aimpact has been global, s i'm just grateful that it finally came out. i'm mejust, you know, during th process, as you have written your book, it's very difficult, but when it's done, i'm just thrilled that it's done and it's inerary good shape. >> i was reading in on the plane, finishing it last night. people were saying to me, he has a book out, and really, i'm talking about people much younger than me. and i think that it is an excellent holiday gift. >> fantastic. i hope everyone gets it for themselves, for their i family, for their churches.
2:52 pm
we're hoping people buy them in bulk, too. today, you preached -- >> pardon me. >> i'm going to get the book. >> how may they get it? on amazon.com, any book store, and from orbisbooks.com. they're as. fantastic publishero we're thrilled to have it. he wrote a conclusion at the end, so the speeches and sermons were a earlier. and for his conclusion, the concluding words, they were very touching. i'm just touched every time i read it again. >> reverend jackson -- >> when you cut pell grants and raise student loan debt, and on the other hand, you end up cutting pell grants, we're boxed in. it's sinking a whole generation of students. when you cut pell grants, parent plus loans, student loan debt, credit card debt, it's like you go into a hole. so a struggle for justice for all people continues.
2:53 pm
>> reverend jackson, many of us that haven, been privileged to students of yours and mentes of yours, always debate your legacy. what do you think your legacy will beur and has been? >> well, july 17th, 1960. next, year will be 60 years sie i first went to jail. and i neverwe stopped, once i first went to jail, it transformed my life. so working with ron wilkins and working with jim palmer, working with dr. king, working for public, openor housing. i think a lot of it had to do with the peace movement as well. i would like to think the campaigns were game changers. as to what was possibility. and i think that it may be a big piecema of it. it's for people like you to decide. >> we're going to keep on
2:54 pm
talking about it because it's because of you thatec a lot of are doing the work we're doing. >> the younger generation are now picking it up, too. without a book, it's so hard to pass on his legacy. it's thrill whenle young people are so excited about the book. >> and they are. they can get it again. it g starts tomorrow on -- >>ta amazon.com, or at orbisbooks.com or anywhere books are sold, they'll be available. super excited. >> all right. many thanks to reverend jesse lewisev jackson. get the book. you should put it in your christmas kwanzaa or hanukkah giving. and grace, thank you for doing this. >> up ynext, my final thoughts. stay with us. before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new?
2:56 pm
-well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents! we want to put money aside for them, so...change in plans. alright, let's see what we can adjust. ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. okay. mom, are you painting again? you could sell these. lemme guess, change in plans? at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. ♪for the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.♪♪ lemme guess, change in plans? we go the extra mile to bring your holidays home.
2:58 pm
time for my final thoughts tonight. a wisconsin judge has just ordered the state to purge more than 200,000 voter registrations. that's 7% of the state's registered voters. but heavily concentrated in the democratic strongholds like milwaukee and madison. and wisconsin is a state where every vote counts. as president trump carried it by fewer than 23,000 votes. the protection of the vote, as reverend jesse jackson talked about on this show tonight, is one of the main things we must fight for in this country, which is why it's so egregious with the governor of wisconsin has done. take this holiday to talk about voting. take this holiday and buy the book in bulk of reverend
2:59 pm
jackson, to learn the struggle and the continuation of it as we fight to protect the vote that others bled and some died to give us. we should not have people purged without resistance and without standing up for equal protection of our right to vote and execute the will of the american people. well, if we don't do that, we suffer. and our children suffer. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday at 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, "meet the press" with chuck todd.
3:00 pm
this sunday, articles of impeachment. >> mr. chairman, there are 23 ayes and 17 noes. >> democrats approve charges that president trump abused his power and obstructed congress. >> today is a solemn, sad day. >> this after days of debate and acrimony. >> it's not just an attack on the presidency. it's an attack on us. >> come on. get real. be serious. we know exactly what happened here. >> mr. trump denounces the vote with a warning. >> some day there will be a democrat president, and there will be a republican house. and i suspect they're going to remember it. >> my guest this morning, democratic senator chris coons of delaware, and republican senator pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> plus, impeachment and the voters. >> has he earned the benefit of the doubt? >> he's squandered it so often,
73 Views
IN COLLECTIONS
MSNBC West Television Archive Television Archive News Search ServiceUploaded by TV Archive on