all right. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. it is time now for "up" with david gura. >> this is "up". i'm david gura. as chuck schumer demands testimony from witnesses we have not yet heard from, new information on what the office of management and budget did to freeze aid to ukraine. dozens of new administration emails made public and important insight into what they are thinking. congressman john yarmuth of

kentucky and a new book on nancy pelosi's politics. high tensions between the u.s. and north korea ahead of a year-end deadline and concern over the christmas gift kim jong-un promised the united states. and religious on this sunday morning. questions the house speaker's prayerfulness the late dean of the house of representatives reaction from al sharpton. >> senior fellow for the center of american progress, deputy assistant secretary of state and contributing writer. and the white house correspondent for pbs news hour. you saw her moderate this week's democratic debate. my colleague was there for that debate. still there. still in los angeles. john allen joins us this morning from california. well, president trump began his winter break the a conference for young conservatives in south florida where he made the case

for his re-election and railed against his impeachment. >> they have nothing. there's no crime. there's no nothing. how do you impeach? you have no crime. people said there's no crime. there's no impeachment. their own lawyer said there's no impeachment. what are we doing here? >> the third president to be impeached is irate over that. and nancy pelosi is concerned about how fair the trial would be and whether lawmakers would hear from new witnesses. that's something that has taken on new importance because of a troef of documents in a freedom of information request. newly released emails regarding the defense aide held by the white house came less than two hours after president donald trump's july phone call with the ukrainian president. that has served as the backbone against the proceedings against

him. they subject them to new scrutiny. in one pepblg after that phone call, michael duffy wrote, given the sensitive nature of the request, i appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute direction. they fill in the timeline and raise new questions. "new york times" pointing out that in an earlier email from michael duffy to the controller suggested that president trump gone asking aides about $250 million of military aid aside for ukraine after noticing a june article about it in the washington examiner. and the hold was announced in an inter agency meeting july 18. to pull a line out of one email and fail to address the context is misleading and inaccurate. jonathan, help us understand the

importance of this. we didn't hear from michael duffy publicly. he is not somebody who obeyed that subpoena and testified behind closed doors either. >> well, the importance of it, david, is that it's another small piece of the story. but it is confirmatory of the larger set of things. if you pull back from this, what is incredible that the white house, the president, his close advisers believe they were e going to be able to hold back $391 million in federal aid without the ukrainian government knowing. at least that's what they tell us of course. it seems obvious the ukrainian government did know. without congress finding out, without civil service folks at the pentagon and omg and everywhere else, they thought they were going to get away from this. figuring out what the thing that

the president wanted which was these investigations to happen. they thought this was all going to go off. so this is another small piece of it. however, what omb says in the state i believe from rachel is actually correct. there is reporting out there that the hold was discussed in an inter agency previously. and i believe the testimony of mark zandi, omb official in a deposition behind closed doors, clarifies that was going on before this email that went from michael duffy to the pentagon. so this isn't necessarily a new piece of the timeline. but it is a small confirmatory piece of the larger story. >> the conversations happening among lawmakers as we look ahead to a trial, chuck schumer wants there to be witnesses testifying in the trial.

nancy pelosi wants that as well. and mitch mcconnell wants something a little more expeditio expeditious. does this do anything to help his case, help chuck schumer's case, to help make the case that there needs to be more witnesses testifying. >> if you're a democrat, then yes. but they have been saying for a while we have pretty much all the evidence we need. most of the people i have been talking to lawmakers in those rooms and those depositions say this is icing on the cake. we have the president on the white house lawn saying what i wanted ukraine to do was investigate joe biden in the senate. and by the way, china, if you're listening. republicans of course have been in lock step with the president. the president said he wanted republicans to really be tightened and to have his back in the way he saw nancy pelosi's team going for her colleagues being in lock step with this. and the president got his wish.

the first republicans were waivering a little bit. they shut down depositions. from there on they continued to double down. now we have seen a senate trial that is basically a foregone conclusion. he said he was going to be acquitted on the record in front of cameras. i think you know where that is going. >> this is mitch mcconnell talking about where things stand now. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> my friend the democratic leader continues to demand a new and different set of rules for president trump. the house democrat prosecution seems to have gone cold feet. other democrats seem to be suggesting they would prefer never to transmit the articles. >> your reaction to that as you watch this wrangling taking place on capitol hill. what do you make of the delay? >> the first thing i would like

to say is anyone playing optics with any of this stuff. look, i think nancy pelosi is trying to hold a little bit of leverage she has here. who knows how long this will last. she is trying to put as much pressure on mitch mcconnell in the senate as possible to hold a fair trial. public opinions polls in the recent weeks show it is 70% or so want witnesses to testify in this trial. so i think that emails we saw from omb coming out that you were talking about reaffirm that every a little bit of information is just that much more damning of the president. in a trial with witnesses will do that in spades. >> that's part of the goal here. yes, it's clear they want to make the president swim a little bit as long as they can. that's fair to say. but it is important to keep open this vacuum. new things could come to light

here as this progresses. >> exactly. new things could come to light. the democrats, as you mentioned, have more than they need. also everything that comes out is just reaffirms going ahead with impeachment was the right thing to do. at the same time, we don't need any more evidence. the president himself is the smoking gun. >> let's turn to john yarmuth. a democrat in the commonwealth of kentucky, a rare thing when you look at the congressional delegation. you have known mitch mcconnell for a while. you have watched and observed his politics. what should we watch for as these conversations continue? >> well, good to be with you, david. a couple things. one is mitch is very, very unpopular rate now in kentucky. a lot of his popularity comes from a feeling among trump supporters that he doesn't support trump enough.

he is trying to answer that question now by doing everything the president wants to do. i haven't discussed this particular item with nancy pelosi. i think this is a brilliant move. the next several weeks the only discussion will be why the senate doesn't want to call witnesses that could shed more light on this issue. i agree with everyone who said we have sufficient evidence. but that question, why are they blocking mick mulvaney, john bolton and others is something we can pound home for weeks and the media will be discussing here. mitch is in a box here. he will have a competitive re-election campaign in 2020. he is trying to hold onto his majority. all of those things could be jeopardized if this turns into a full-fledged trial with witnesses who will no doubt further incriminate the

administration. >> the majority leader has been caught off guard. how important is that surprise factor? how surprised were you? is this something you largely back the delay here, the house speaker holding onto articles? >> well, i expected us to have a third fast last thursday night on the delivery of the articles to the senate with the managers. so i was kind of surprised. i think many of us were that the speaker had taken this action. again, the more i have thought about it it's really a brilliant tactic. and it does make some sense. i think we do need to decide based on what the trial is going to look like what our best prosecution of the case would be and who would make it. so i think the speaker's argument for delay is sound. but, again, i think the strategy is even more sound >> what does a fair trial look

like for you? are you confident by any means that you are going to get there? that's the rationale that the house speaker is given. what will you see when we move to the senate? >> well, again, i think that we need to, again bring witnesses. and i would even bring some of our prior witnesses back because what we saw in both the intelligence committee and the judiciary committee were two sides screaming at each other. republicans, tobgs honest, are a lot louder than democrats. they made a lot of noise and put up a lot of smoke screen. the q&a with those witnesses who have shed light on this, on the intelligence committee, and if we can get the administration figures like mulvaney and bolton, i think the american people will have a much less -- will have a much clearer perspective on what's happened, what the charges mean and why

they pose a danger to the united states, why the administration does. so without the noise of the partisan hearings, it would be a much more benefit to the american people. >> you should hear the optimism there without the noise. the "if" clauses as well. i know a lot of republicans will move this to the senate. republicans will have a voice they think they didn't have during the last round of all of this. senators have said, no, there is more that prevails in the senate here. it will not be as raucous as it was on the house sides. your sense on where things were headed when we get there? >> if you listen to what mitch mcconnell said, i think we can kind of understand that republicans are going to stick with the president. what we will see is making the same arguments they made in the house, that this is unfair, the democrats had it out for the president from the beginning. and now they wanted to basically remove a president a few months before an election where the american people decide.

that will be the chief argument. with the republicans, they are dealing with a president who has vacillated between being surprised, angered and disappointed. and he is sitting in anger and surprise right now. ers dealing with nancy pelosi who has proven to be a formidable adversary in this entire exchange. and he is also trying to figure out how to deal with nancy pelosi and how the white house will deal with this in the next few weeks. >> mr. my thanks to the gentleman from the third district in kentucky. appreciate the time. and jonathan allen as well. appreciate the time. early on this sunday morning. breaking news this morning, russia's foreign minister reportedly said president trump sent a letter to vladimir putin regarding the inf. inter facts news saying he told putin he's ways to overcome the problems in our relations. that letter responding to putin seams offer for a moratorium on missiles banned by the inf, a

treaty the u.s. left in august. still to come, more on nancy pelosi's impeachment strategy. what it says about her approach. her daughter christine pelosi will join us. president trump's advisers wanted to focus on 2020. he is clearly bothered by the asterisk that will be next to his name forever more. that is next. next let's be honest,

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no, no. so now she says, you know, she has no case. she has no case. so let's not submit it. that's good, right? that's good. but you know what, so unfair. it's so unfair. she has no case. did they look bad? they got up the same thing, the constitution. they are violating the constitution. >> president trump in south florida kicking off his vacation at a convention for turning point usa. he's been advised to keep the focus on 2020, but it is weighing on him being the third u.s. president impeached. they describe his mood to politico this way. he has gone through the full range of emotions, surprise, disappointment, anger, fury, and now back to surprise. they were on display in michigan this week as they got the votes of the house vote at a campaign rally. >> they call it impeachment light. impeachment light.

i don't know about you, but i'm having a good time. it doesn't really feel like we're being impeached. >> we have had tremendous support in the republican party like we have never had before. >> it is a political suicide march for the democrat party. crazy nancy pelosi, house democrats. it's a disgrace. >> president trump reportedly relishing the fact that republicans voted for his impeachment. but as nbc news reports, while the president and loyalist insist he's a blameless victim, there will be a big black asterisk in the ledger of american history. jonathan has written biographies of other presidents, including fdr and barack obama. he doesn't think it is just. he doesn't think it is fair. he doesn't think it will be there. but this is something he is

beginning to reckon with. help us understand this. it is a defining character. >> i don't know if we need to care whether he cares. who cares? history cares. he's in the dock of history now and chances of escape are slim to nonexistent. whatever happens in the senate, i hate to use a biblical metaphor, but he has the mark of cane on him forever. were sustained forever. cannot be erased. he's in an extremely small fraternity with andrew johnson and bill clinton. nothing can be done about that by anybody. so he sustained for all of american history and it will be in the first paragraph of his obituary. how it plays out politically is another question. >> in which the hazing ritual is high crimes and misdemeanors.

give your perspective on how you are processing this. you were at the white house during the vote. what is the sense from administration staff of how he is dealing with this. how will that define what the next months look like as we approach the election? >> let's begin with the idea that president trump is someone who wants to be beloved. he talks about the fact that the media nell in love with him. he was beloved by both parties. there were political fights with president obama. that's where we begin this story, right? then you go to the idea that the president was of course watching everything play out. the white house kept saying the president is busy. he's working. he's really -- he was watching tv like everyone else, seeing these votes. and he was surrounded by people close to him. but i say very, very much angry and very much feeling aggrieved and like a victim here. he feels he's the target of a smear campaign. he feels personally aggrieved.

this is historically what his legacy is. even people think he doesn't care because he has a brash brand of politics, he deeply cares and this is something that is not going to go away. >> he is not a reader of history. he probably said he's not a reader, period. he's somebody very engaged with the idea of legacy and his place in history. >> well, he is very engaged in how he looks. it's an ugly word. it is now attached to him. from being in the hotel business he doesn't like a bad look. impeachment is a really bad look. it's not going to help him. of course his base is reacting. they're getting energized. but they were already energized. for the people in the middle who can go either way, the swing

voters, it's not a good look. there's no wayne to spin it as a good look. >> people are saying also -- he's a narcissist so he very much cares about image in general. also, this is the first time he has been held accountable i think in his life, and he doesn't know how to respond to that. ivanka trump, the very next day went on cbs's face the nation and was asked what her father's emotional state. and she said he was energized. and i think that's, you know, maybe what the look they're trying to go for. but i think everybody knows. this is hit in the heart of donald trump's ego. it's all about his ego. >> we are here in a new moment in history where they are seeking election after impeachment. it gives hope that you could have vindication as a result of what will happen in november. >> obviously combining that with the discussion of the mood.

i remember jonathan saying he wants to be impeached, right? i find that very hard to believe. i'm a national security foreign policy person. i try to look at everything i can through that prism. this president's behavior is often erratic and sometimes concerning. let's remember that it can get worse. than we have seen it, i think, over the last few years. and that he has sole control over nuclear weapons right now. the types of things that he has the power to do as president of the united states are incredibly concerning. so this is all obviously games when we talk about what his mood might be here. it can have very real consequences with the power he holds. >> i want to ask you quickly in the time we have left. you hear them talking about the prospects of it being a fair trial. he is professed to want that. get this to the senate where i will have a fair trial. what does it look like? how important is that? how is the construct of what

will happen? >> the big question is what the four republicans facing big, tough re-elections, a real trial or fake trial. that is the whole issue. i think everybody needs to be asked a simple question. do you want a real trial for a fake trial. a trial is not real if it doesn't have witnesses and exhibits and documents. it's fake. it's not just unfair. it's fake. and so the question i think that's on the table right now for martha mcsally, cody gardner, susan collins and three or four others, because they will be facing these votes that the democrats have the right to bring up. mitch mcconnell does not have control of this trial, the way he does of the senate in general. as he said, he doesn't have what he called ball control, a

basketball metaphor. the chief justice will have a lot to say. the democrats will have these votes. every one will be on the same issue. should this be a real trial or fake? if there are no witnesses and all the votes will be on, it's not real. . >> that's what we should focus on. president trump criticized by an evangelical magazine. and made blass pmemous comments about a senator who died earlier this year. nts about a senator who died earlier this year. i love it. it's an honor to tell you that [ applause ] thank you. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. i love you! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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when jesus was falsely accused of treeson, pontius pilate gave jesus a chance to face his accusers. >> this is "up". i'm david gura. that is barely louder milk from the congressional district. 9 clip from a speech he delivered during the impeachment debate. the next day the magazine christianity today caused a stir with an editorial that called for him to be removed from office citing his moral

deficiencies. that raises questions about his base. the founder and president of the national action network. we can talk about the credentials of whalen baptist university where he went to college. what did you make of what he had to say? i will read from a jesuit priest. he was nailed to the cross until he died. comparing the treatment to the president to what jesus suffered is absurd. also, only one of them is sinless. >> i grew up in the pent costal church. we believe jesus died for our sins. the president is being impeached for his sins.

there is no sacrifice that the president is doing on behalf of mankind. he was trying to cut a deal for his own political advantage with another country. there is nothing even remotely that is similar to what jesus suffered even if you're not a christian. if you just look at it from a secular point of view of why jesus was prosecuted and sentenced to death by crucifixion. you can't find any way it relates. it becomes insulting to equate what happened with jesus to donald trump when he would, i assume, believes that jesus was christ and died for his sins. it would have showed in the upmost level of hypocrisy. for the president to wallow in this. when asked his favorite bible

scripture, he said all of it. this is as insulting as it gets for christians, in the christmas season, by the way. >> he doesn't talk a lot about his faith. he made that lonely walk to st. john's a few blocks away from the white house. even worse than offending founding fathers you are saying i pray for the president. you know it's not true unless it's meant in a terrible sense. you will have to live with it, not i. he has waded into religion this week more than we have seen in the past. >> i tweeted about that. i rarely waste my tweets on the president other than responding to what he tweeted against me. and i can it is one thing to deal with the political back and forth. that's what they do. that's what we all talk about. but to question her prayer. some of us believe that prayer is way above politics. so question how she prays, if

she prays, the nature of me prayers is beyond the pale. and i tweeted about it because i thought it was even beneath donald trump who i have known for decades and know it is not too far beneath. but he managed to. i think the president causes us to pray more for a lot of reasons. but why would we in any way try to turn that into a political point against the speaker. it shows a complete sense of really being one incapable of understanding the value and worth of prayer. which is why i thought christianity today coming out was timely in what the editorial had to say. >> talking to the outgoing editor on your show today. help us understanding what he did there. the president and his allies

initi diminished the circulation size. how much of a seed change moment was that? that magazine standing up in the way that it did. >> first of all, the magazine was founded by billy graham. so it is not a magazine that does not have standing and history in the evangelical community. now, whether readership is going up or down, it is a billy graham founded magazine. and i think when you deal with the history of the magazine, it has influence and it has standing. if someone out of the 60s movement, someone who founded a magazine that denounced activists like me today, it would be a news story. this is one of the main publications of the evangelical world in terms of history. now, if their subscription is down, it is saying he is not telling the truth in the pulpit. it doesn't matter if you're in a

cathedral or storefront church, you are still preaching the ruth. they raised questions they don't want to answer. which is why he's attacking them. and i'm having them on the show today, which you mentioned. he talked about the immorality of the president, how he violated the constitution. why don't they address what he said rather than try to beat up on him. because i'm waiting to see any of the evangelical ministers defend the behavior of the president. i want them to stand up and say this is no longer sinful what he is doing. we can throw out five or six of the 10 commandmentings. not only are we against impeachment. have mcconnell send a vote on that. >> phrr political considerations here for the president. evangelicals aren't a monday know legitimate but they support the first run. how comfortable are they with

weighing in on issues of religion. >> it seems even as this magazine laid out a pretty damning indictment of the president saying he's morally lost and confused and here's a perfect example of someone lost, evangelical christians have seen a lot of things they wanted to happen. they have a president who is talking about abortion, showing up to the march for life rallies. what you have is evangelical choice chans saying we don't like his personality, but i'm getting what i want, which is hundreds or at least dozens of federal judicial nominees, young conservatives who will be shaping the way laws look for a generation. they point to that. i also should say i have talked to people, a couple african-american aoe van gels who think president trump was chosen by god because it is so out of the ordinary for a president to survive. they think it has to be something related to god. that is how i have heard people

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what we have gone through about immigration is terrible. did you know as of next week we are going to be even on the ninth circuit? this was a disaster? >> that is president trump on the stage celebrating how he shaped the court of appeals. the comments coming as senior

adviser stephen miller is defending leaked emails to white national websites that he sent to breitbart in a run up to the election. . >> you won't see anything quoted in those emails because there's nothing wrong with what i said unless proud to be an america is a crime to which today's democratic party it is a crime. being pro-american in today's democratic party is a crime. . >> the "washington post" has a big beast on his latest attempt to circumvent laws. the white house sought to imbed i.c.e. agents inside the agency of migrant children. the "post" reports officials rejected stephen miller's proposal but did agree to allow i.c.e. to collect fingerprints

from government shelters and that information can be used to target them for arrest and deportation. you have read this piece. a big piece in the "washington post". what's your takeaway from it about the role that stephen miller is still playing. >> well, i think it is racism. and anti immigration racism. as someone who has been through the u.s. immigration system, and the history of american immigration has been about keeping families together. and i think stephen miller's policies and also his emails show that this administration is hell bent on making immigration and immigrants look like criminals. people who are fleeing violence, seeking asylum in america. they want us to view them and they are treating them as criminals. at the same time, we are imbedding people in refugee agencies. imagine if they had invested those resources somewhere else. so i just feel like there is no question in my mind that stephen

miller is a white nationalist. he has been since his undergraduate days. i don't know why this is still a debate. it's just more fuel for him. >> they are supposed to be silent institutions. pull back and help us how that is representative of what we have seen from this government and what this administration has been trying to do. there are norms, things not allowed by law. we have seen it over and over again. this is another example of it >> they tear up the envelope again and again. they don't care about it. let's remember, especially on the immigration issues in which they are very hard lined fanatical about what they believe and want to see here, they put up all the stops. this calendar year the president of the united states, sending troops to the border to deal with, you know, the immigration crisis supposedly, which is not something normally done.

and circumvented congress for the funding for his border wall, which is in the court system as well. he doesn't care about the checks and balances even within his own executive branch. he keeps running down the walls to really get an agenda. >> this president has a funny relationship with apologies and apologizing. acknowledging the stakes and moving on in an appropriate way. and i looked at stephen miller. all the outcry about what he has written and what he has done, he's not moving. the president isn't compelling him to move either. tell us what that says to you just about -- their steadfastness, resoluteness. >> the trump playbook that stephen miller is following has not apologized and to acknowledge that something might be problematic in the administration. i would remind people when there was the child separation issue, i interviewed when people were

trying to pick up those children who were separated from their families and relatives were trying to pick them up, they were fingerprinting those people. they were looking at those people who were trying to help their nieces and nephews whose parents were still locked up. they were possibly targeting them for deportation. this is an extension in some ways trying to really inject fear into the immigrant community when people are trying to help out the children who are unaccompanied to give them a home. of course the republican argument is that you do have 12 to 11 million undocumented people living in the united states. how do we find these people? we know they will probably be picking up children. we need to figure out how to do this. that is the republican argument for this. the republican argument is we need to find the people so here's how we do it. at the end of the day congress has failed time and time again under republicans and democrats to deliver an immigration system that works for most people. as a result, we're going to see an administration like the trump administration continue to comb through immigration rules and

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this is "up". i'm david gura. new documents released this weekend give us insight into the timing of how the white house blocked delivery of aid to the ukraine. those emails obtained by the center for public integrity come from the pentagon. they show in order to withhold the aid 9 0 minutes after president trump had that phone call on july 25th with the president of ukraine. we'll read from mike duffy, official with the office of management and budget to the comptroller. based on guidance i have

received and in light of the administration's plan to review assistance to ukraine, please hold off on any additional d.o.d. obligations of those funds pending direction from that process. basically, don't release the aid. and goes on to say, i appreciate you keeping that closely held to those who need to know to execute the direction. the president spwhaoeuentirely unaffected by what is happening. >> there's no crime. there's no nothing. how do you impeach? you have no crime. people said there was no crime. in fact, there's no impeachment. their own lawyer said there's no impeachment. what are we doing here? in the meantime, our polls have gone through the roof. and the senate, like the house, we have done great work together with judges. last week we did 13 judges.

>> up with me is joel payne and a fellow at new america and opinion writer for the new york sometimes. pete dominic from gotham comedy club from west the 3rd street. a radio host, comedian. with us from washington, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times". you see the president basking in the sun and at adulation, the young conservatives in south florida. we are talking about how he processed this the last hour, the surprise, the danger, the focus on the future. where is he at this point in terms of how he is processing what's happening on wednesday of this week. >> i think he toggles back and forth between a variety of different moods and reactions at some point in disbelief. he convinced himself there was a possibility nancy pelosi wouldn't take it to the floor. his own staff said, no, she

does. anger, sense of humiliation. he said he doesn't care he was impeached. in fact, he knows it is on humiliation and red mark on his records in the history books. and energized quality as well where he thinks he is up for the fight and he can take this to his voters, for next year's election. presuming there is a senate trial and that he is acquitted, which is what we will think he will be, he will say, see, i was exxon rated and he will convince supporters of his that there was nothing wrong. they are all out to get him. the reason why the elites are after him, they don't like his own supporters. it is a real rallying cry he thinks for his base. the polls are much more muddled about that. poll numbers are going up, hes. that's not the case.

he is in the low 40s in terms of approval rating. numbers on impeachment are divided, 48/48, that kind of number, depending which you are looking at. i think that was the nbc poll. he is energized, as well as angry and upset. >> your reaction to what you just saw there. it was one that was largely not focused on impeachment. i was struck, though, the biggest applause lines occurred when he talked about immigration and he talked about these judges. you have a panel of advisers saying don't talk about this. focus on 2020. it seems like what happened yesterday is confirmation that that would be a good course for the president at this point. yet how difficult will that be for him do you think? >> i think trump is doing two things which are canny and quite appealing to his base. one, he is throwing red meat issues like immigration. two, he is hammering this

victimization complex, which speaks well to white evangelical christians in america. no group of people in the u.s. thinks they are as victimized as the white evangelical. it is why you see this hoarding of guns, this sense of we have to protect yourselves against the liberals who are coming at us from hollywood, who are destroying our culture from democratic politicians who will take away our way of life, from immigrants who are coming in and making america browner and scarier. these are people that operate from a place of very primal fear. and a sense of we need to hang onto our traditional dominance of this country. trump knows that. he knows that's who comes to his rallies. he knows that's who turns out for him. he is able to use impeachment as, look, it is the deep state. coming not only for me but coming for you. >> pete, how much has changed as a result of what happened on wednesday? if you put yourself in the head of the president and adopt his world view of what's happened

here? he has had that played out as it went through committee. what changed as a result of what happened on wednesday? >> we should be clear. i'm glad to say this here on msnbc, the president of the united states has been impeached. the president, donald j. trump, has been impeached. his message is to repeat that it didn't happen. that's what he is going to do. i wasn't impeached. what is impeachment? he will keep saying that because it works for him. he's obsessed. he's completely distracted. he's humiliating. he talked about president obama, president bush, president clinton and what impeachment means. clearly it bothers him. clearly he is obsessed with it. and it's all he is thinking about. he's also, as you just mentioned, now been victimized. he's going to use that. but what is it going to change? we are already in our camps.

we know what we feel. he is distracted. how is he going to get anything else done? he has been impeached and there is no way else around it. >> he is ensconced in his mansion in florida. this is the only public event we have on the schedule over the course of the two weeks. there will be christmas parties and the lot down the a his club. they have not moved to the senate. there is a period of stasis here. what does that mean for the president and his supporters and his advisers having that? >> well, i know he and mitch mcconnell and some of his allies like to say that this is -- there's no leverage that nancy pelosi has over him. by the way, we should all have a moratorium on questioning nancy pelosi's political judgment. i think nancy pelosi is the only political figure in america who has consistently kicked donald trump's butt every turn the last three years. so i'm going to go ahead and let nancy pelosi handle this one and let her get back to me. i think she knows what she's doing as to when to send the articles over.

just thinking about the president here, in a lot of ways he has been preparing literally since before he started running for president. he has been creating doubt about the media, about every institution, the courts, about -- >> reality. >> reality. he's been creating all of this doubt. when it comes in handy, you need the institutions to call balls and strikes. he radicalized his base in the house and senate. there are no more bob corkers, jeff flakes. they write columns for the "washington post". they don't sit in the chamber to vote on whether or not to be impeached. donald trump has been preparing for this moment for a very long time. >> i will put back some of the emails we have gone from the pentagon, michael duffey, this omb official, writing about the aid that was withheld. as somebody who covers this white house and knows the story so well, not a household name to many people who watch the show,

many people in this country. how does this advance the story? it is irritating the president. as i said last hour, there is a vacuum that's emerged. new facts may emerge over the course of the weeks before it comes to a trial in the u.s. senate. how much does this change our understanding of the narrative or the story? >> that's a great question. i think we understand broadly what happened here. i don't think there's a whole lot of question that's been established for you. it shows there are still holes that haven't been filled. one of the holes is how did this aid come to be suspended. what can we say about the origin of that. just 90 minutes after the phone call of president zelensky on july 25th, an email was sent saying let's hold up on that aid. the white house is saying that's a coincidence. the timing is a coincidence. it is true this had been announced a week earlier. the president had been asking about this apparently since june when he read an article in the

washington examiner. it is not just the one email is necessarily dispositive because it's not the first time it has come up. but the timing of it coming right after this phone call raises additional questions. how did that happen to be the first thing that was done once the phone was put down? what did mick mulvaney tell us about that? we don't know because they haven't testified. it was better to push on rather than engage in a court fight to win their testimony. you see the senate saying i want a trial with those guys and a couple others. mitch mcconnell saying, no, i don't think we will do that. there are gaps to be filled in the larger narrative. it may not be they are all that important. it may be they are. that is the trick about these. you never know until you get the information. >> peter baker, i wanted to ask you, will he ever hear from rudy giuliani, pompeo, mick mulvaney or john bolton? the idea that we are not hearing from those four people.

we are getting the emails and the freedom of information, a lot of great journalism, investigations. but if we don't hear from those four people we don't know what happened. they have to be heard from. they have to testify on the record. or we will never know the truth. >> there it is rather stunning that we haven't. during watergate we did hear from john dean, hold man, all the characters who were involved in that scandal. we have not heard from some of the most important people in this one. and the house democrats made interesting decisions. they subpoenaed john bolton. he said no, i would rather wait until a court decides. neither side has asked to hear from rudy giuliani. even senator schumer and the list he gave to senator mcconnell. why is that? a little bit of a wild card. maybe they are worried about whether he would muddy the waters in some sort of testimony. he is talking all the time in television and my colleagues at the "new york times" and other

papers. but it's interesting we haven't heard from them. it is frustrating to anyone who wants a better understanding of what was happening inside. john bolton called this a drug deal that mick mulvaney and others were arranging. mick mulvaney seems to be somewhat of an enabler. he said there was a quid pro quo between the aid and the desire to have an investigation of this 2016 conspiracy theory involving democrats. then of course he tried to take that back. but is there on record. yeah. it's a shame that we haven't heard from them. a lot of holes to be filled. >> we saw the ambassador this week with npr and they kept pressing him on the issues of impeachment. john bolton said he wasn't going to comment on that. he said do you have a book in the works? we have the right to at least ask you about it. but he didn't go into it. what does that tell you about his eagerness to get his story out in advance of this book's

bubble qaa eu publication. >> i have i problem with setting the goalpost for bolton, mulvaney. yes, i would like them to be on the hot seat just in principle. you think they're above obstructing or object fist skating the truth when they're on the stand? of course not. we don't need any more testimony. mick mulvaney gave the whole game away, as peter just referred to, at that press conference at the white house. bolton, we have a number of second-hand accounts that he actually said what he had. so we don't actually need any additional verification. it would just be nice. it would be a cherry on top. but we have enough to prosecute. >> let me ask about the way this came out. this is a meta question here. restricted the strict truths of government. the president has his personal twitter account to expound on all manner of issues. we talks a lot. yet we are getting real

information about the systems as they are in place. emails were conducted. those have come to light because of the process. what does that say about the duel we have seen over the course of the last three years? yes, there is a rejection of normalcy in what is supposed to be the way things work in washington, d.c. it provides nuanced insight into what happened. >> had it does continue. this was the big fear about steve bannon's influence. that he would dismantle across the board. to some extent he succeeded. there is a lot of damage that has been done that we are not seeing. there continue to be career public servants, they are continuing to do their jobs to keep the government ticking along. you have to hope that some of those people are in higher levels of the trump administration so they can't blow the whole thing up. you know, the role of the press like peter baker, submitting

those, pressing these issues, has been so incredibly crucial. but frankly what i worry about is that america is operating under two different versions of reality and two different versions of the truth. journalists can do their job. federal employees can do their jobs. and it just might not matter if you have a huge swath of americans who believe this is a massive hoax, reality doesn't matter, and whatever the president says, even though he is clearly a petty authoritarian who will lie to their faces, that is more true and more important than reality. >> also two different versions of morality. it is not democrat versus republican. it is democracy versus th authoritari authoritarianism. do you think it is great to cheat on your wife and not pay your employees, or do you think you should be honest and trustworthy and pay your employees. it is two different versions of values. that's where we are at now.

>> peter, last question to you, you covered the last impeachment of president clinton. how do you think about that in the context of the work you're doing and what we are seeing here today, a granular advancement of the story as we get the emails? how do you regard that in realtime as you think about the arc of that story back in 1998-99. >> that is interesting. there are parallels, the echoes you hear. and things that are radically different. to listen to republicans complain about the democratic process is to remind me of the democrats who complained about the republican process 20 years ago. literally the same language, coup d'etat. talking somberly about the rule of law. they're not happy about this, just doing their duty. almost exactly what the republicans said last time. aside from the merits, which are substantially different, lying under oath about a sexual affair or using the power of your

office to advance your political interests, important and i'm not going to argue which one is which but they are different. the things that are different are the surround sound. we were just seeing it in cable in a way that it hadn't been before. fox news was relatively new. msnbc trying to get a hold of some viewers. we are seeing this beginning of atomization of our realities that we were just talking about there. people beginning to go off their silence. there was no twitter, no facebook, none of this stuff. today we are hearing a different surround stuff. we thought it was partisan then. we thought people lived in their own reality then. it is much more dramatically so today. that has pulled americans farther apart. more dialogue nowadays than then. what will it be like the next

impeachment 21 years from now. >> peter baker, happy holidays to you and your family. thank you for your time. much more ahead on "up", including don't mess with mama, the warning to donald trump, mitch mcconnell and others from christine pelosi who will join us later this hour. up next, you won't find it at a trump rally. the campaign is calling disengagers. how their lack of energy could define this campaign. ld define this campaign looks like. ♪ the beat goes on ♪ entresto is a heart failure pill that helps improve your hearts ability to pump blood to the body. don't take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. ♪la-di-la-di-dah don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if you've had angioedema with an ace or arb. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. ask your doctor about entresto. ♪the beat goes on yeah!

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president trump's re-election campaign trying to figure out how to use impeachment to his advantage. it is targeting one set of voters. senior campaign officials call them the disengagers. the voters who supported donald trump in 2016 but did not vote for republicans in the 2018 midterm elections, allowing for sweeping democratic gains. both parties are fighting over especially since many of them live in michigan and pennsylvania. officials estimate about 9 million of them nationwide. joining us is shermichael singleton, republican strategist and friend of the show. let me ask you about this group as it is defined. why does the trump re-election campaign have any optimism in now that they have left will be

be interested in coming back to support the president. >> you know, i think they're betting on if democrats nominate someone who some of the voters may dislike that that may sway some to potentially return back to trump in 2016. i find that, to your point, very, very difficult to believe. again, they overwhelmingly, i believe 6 to 10, opted for the democrat over the republican. many of these republicans in the swing districts weren't ultra conservative folks. some were very moderate leaning republicans. and the voters still decided to go with democrats over trump. and i think it's an indication of the presidency. a lot of them voted for trump for whatever reason. they now see him as someone who leaves a disgusting taste in their mouths. i'm not certain that despite their willingness on trying to swing back in the president's corner, that is going to work. if you look at most polling

data, most focus group studies, it indicates they are ready to go with almost anything but this president because he left so many offended by many of his pronouncemen pronouncements. >> this is not a mantel i would want to take on. it is an incredible piece. going into the rally in michigan, there was a sense he would try to engage voters by attacking the squad. he would go over rashida tlaib. in fact, he didn't do that. he went after john and debbie dingell to a disastrous effect. what do you make of that? just how much recognition he seems to have with the fact that the campaign is trying to target or go after? >> the president is not an incredibly sophisticated person. >> is how dare you? >> i know. shocking. he is a person who operates from personal grievance, anger. he may know -- it's not as if

the president doesn't spend plenty of time going after the squad. it's not that he hasn't left that stone unturned. he saw this perceived slight from debbie dingell, so he went after her dead husband. one thing trump perhaps doesn't realize that democrats can exploit in this election, there is a massive gender gap in white voters who swept trump into office. white men overwhelmingly supported him. that's what you saw deteriorate in the midterms, especially among white women with college degrees, suburban white women. although they traditionally voted republican and along with their husbands when they were married, are increasingly disgusted by trump or turned off by him. think he is mean, frankly a bad example for the country. i think probably don't like

seeing children in cages. those are voters that i think are get bible. i think who is not gettable are the old, white fox news watching men. that said, that's trump's space. this is a bit crass but there are fewer and fewer of those voters every year. they have done a good job of alienating pretty much everyone else. >> how much of trump's success is tied to that moment. when you look at how they voted in 2016, the moment has changed. we have seem so much egregiousness the past three years. >> i don't know. i can't say. it's a really, really good question. it's a hard with unto answer. i reach out and try to understand their way of thinking. and i really listen. and i always ask what about the cruelty? what about the cruelty? what about the meanness?

how do you feel when your kids see that? there is often not necessarily a defense of that. i don't really like that. i don't like that kind of behavior. i wouldn't want that for my kid to do that. what we saw from the president what he said about congressman dingell, even the people at that rally were kind of shocked by that. i'm not sure it motivates them, demotivates them. is that a word? i'm not sure they were going to vote either way based on that cruelty. but the cruelty is the point. >> i'm asking if there are environmental changes sizable enough they wouldn't be interested in supporting the president this time around. >> again, david, i think that depends on a lot of different variables. the president's threshold and his ability to increase his votvote er pool is very, very limited.

in some ways it is the democrats's election to lose. when you look at the mathematics of this, what it takes to get to the 270 electoral votes, democrats have a much larger group of voters to pull from. if they can do that, it is favorable for whoever the nominee is. i'm pretty confident that trump will win re-election. >> this is a contested group. >> i think a lot of what's been said here has been instructive. but to pick up on pete's point, that is probably the point. the population likes the cruelty pointed at people like me.

to the point i was making earlier, it's like he was preparing this for the entire time. he's been tearing up the credibility so he can pull from this group of voters. to shermichael's point, i think when democrats are kind of thinking about who they want their nominee to be this time, they have an ultimate choice do we want someone to pull people from the middle and pull in mod rats or someone who can super charge the base. i think democrats were initially at we need to expand our base. it feels like with the move to biden and buttigieg, we need to pull in someone who is safer. >> shermichael, i'm going to guess you're a pride skrapb tkral. happy holiday.

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new progress is made on sanctions. he imposed a year-end deadline on state tv. there is video of him meeting with party officials. president trump has spoken with japan's prime minister telling nbc news the two leaders, quote, agreed to continue close communication and coordination in light of recent threatening statements issued by the people's republic of korea. >> we'll watch it. it would be disappointing if something would be in the works. if there is, we'll take care of it.

we're watching it very closely. >> watching it very closely. the status of the talks that have been taking place. no reported engagement since february. >> this feels like george w. bush and putin i looked into his eyes and saw his soul. it seems he terribly misjudged this. while he tried to couch it as a foreign policy victory early in his presidency, this feels like it could really spiral out of control and many a definitional disaster of the trump policy. the positions he has filled have been filled with sycophants and people with no experience in the region or complicated things like north korea. >> and the point on north korea for the administration, now deputy secretary of state rumor to replace secretary of state mike pompeo if he were to run for senate in kansas.

we all should be worried about this. count me as among those who didn't recall the fact that there was an end of year deadline that the leader of north korea imposed as he prepared for his new year's speech in pyongyang. >> you have two intensely narcissistic who are at each other. you have donald trump who has never met an authoritarian he doesn't follow in love with. he is cow you toing kim jong-un. and kim is basically saying you're a moron. i don't respect you. i'm going to publicly humiliate you which gets him back on his heels. they are two manly men who always need to be the big man in charge. and there is really important

foreign postings. of course there are, many, many great civil servants in the foreign service who are still doing their jobs and doing it well. he sent the message to allies he can't be trusted. he goes back on his word. he's not reliable. whatever the u.s. does does not have continuity between the presidents. all of that makes for a completely disastrous landscape to have a government like north korea, which is hard to predict. >> yes. >> with a an authoritarian leader who is not particularly stable. >> yeah. >> and now christmas surprise. trump has a few options. he has put it in this terrifying situation. >> we're watching this and we'll see.

that is resolute as we saw in the cabinet meeting. >> to your point you said manly men. maybe. i look at them as little boys. people that are in place that are sycophants. yeah, maybe so. the problem is the president of the united states is so inconsistent that even if he gave a message to deliver to their foreign counterparts they go and deliver it and then he contradicts it. the other thing that kim jong-un and president trump have in common is that they don't care about their own people at all. they only care about themselves. >> we'll leave it there. scary stuff as we approach the new year. merry christmas. >> i'm going to eat this whole plate. >> new reaction from key republicans moments ago about the house's impeachment vote. how they see a trial play out. we will see that tape next. we will see that tape next cologuard: colon cancer screening for people 50

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>> they had to rush to this impeachment vote. then all of a sudden she's sitti sitting on it. the house should have made this their presentation. my guess is they weren't able to make the case. as i said, the charges are thin. i don't see anything impeachable in that. it's not the job of the senate to make the case that the house should have made in their impeachment clause, or their articles of impeachment. >> republican senator ron johnson moments ago reacting to speaker pelosi's comment as they prepare for the upcoming senate trial which will start in the new year at some point. senator johnson was asked about the emails released by the pentagon. we'll be talking about them and they shift the timeline of the story being put on hold by the office of management and budget. >> as i said, the president has been consistent in the explanation he gave in terms of

why he had reservations about ukraine. the generalized and endemic corruption which obvious president zelensky won on an anti-corruption platform. and then the fact that europe doesn't do as much as the president thinks they should do to help ukraine, a country in its own backyard. >> i know you said this before -- >> those are -- those are legitimate concerns. and the new emails don't shed any new light on that. the president was concerned about whether or not america's hard-erned taxpayer dollars should be spent into a country where there has been proven cases of corruption. >> i'm going to start with you responding to what we heard there. he called the impeachment charges bizarre, thin ruled, don't have much of a case there. the president said that. they said there's no crime. there doesn't have ab a crime for e. into. but it's a thin case.

>> it is so blatantly and obvious false. they are lining up as good soldiers. but it's embarrassing and disa pointing to see. there are more important things than someone's personal and political career. can the president use his position to essentially extort a foreign government to doing his bidding. you know, just the complete blatant lies that we're hearing from republicans or that the president is so concerned about corruption that donald trump, the child of new york mafia connections who spent his entire career surrounded by some of the most corrupt and violent individuals you can imagine. someone who has foreign dignitaries staying in the trump hotel who makes money directly from visits from emissaries from foreign governments. someone who tried to use his own

mar-a-lago property and tried to get federal found pay for events there. who is constantly at mar-a-lago on the taxpayer dime. the daughter was engaged in sketchy actionings in china on getting patents. there is a list of corrupt practices from this government. it is incredibly long. so it screams credulity that donald adjustment trump of all people is concerned about the ukraine and corruption in ukraine. it's so not true. i shouldn't be disappointed by it. it is such an insulting lie to have republicans go up and say, oh, the president really cared about this. nothing happened. we can all see with our own two eyes that is not true.

>> senator johnson shouldn't be asked of his opinion on anything. he doesn't believe in science. he thinks the moon is made of cheese. what is disappointing, and to some extent surprising, maybe not, you have every single republican in the house and senate outside of justin amash. he lives on top of p.s. mountain because he voted for and every racist policy in brett kavanaugh. the fact that they are all lining up behind him, it doesn't matter what the investigation found out. he asked foreign countries to intervene. on the road into microphones and cameras. that's all you need to hear. yet the republicans still continue to defend him.

history will remember him. >> i'm struck by how ready the jurors are willing to talk about all of this. get into what we talked about at the top of the show, the fixes. we know the way in which they want to have the trial. >> i'm a child of the senate. 60 votes in the senate, you had deal makers, real people in the middle who would pull their own party in line. donald trump created a senate where that can't happen. so you have people like ron johnson masquerading as the reasonable republican. or interesting limb ricks on camera. and that is the republican we can present to the mainstream. it's a stuff spot. media has a responsibility because you put people like that on tv with no context, that's dangerous as well. >> thank you all very much for being here with me in new york. we know president trump loves insulting nicknames. last night was no different for

the president in florida. >> crazy nancy. she's crazy. >> the president lashing out at a political rival in front of a crowd inside florida. going forward as she holds onto the two articles of impeachment. the nancy pelosi way. christine pelosi is going to join me next. christine pelosi io join me next sting, what's new? -well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents! we want to put money aside for them, so...change in plans. alright, let's see what we can adjust. ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. okay. mom, are you painting again? you could sell these. lemme guess, change in plans? at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. and my lack of impulse control,, lemme guess, change in plans? is about to become your problem. ahh no, come on. i saw you eating poop earlier. hey!

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that will enable us to decide how we will were send over the articles of impeachment. we will see what the process is on the senate side. so far we haven't seen anything that looks fair to us. so hopefully it will be fair. >> welcome back to "up". i'm david gura. in a years time nancy pelosi has come a long way with regard to impeachment. a faction of democratic lawmakers publicly questioned whether nancy pelosi was the right choice to be the speaker of the house. fast forward to day and she wields the power of the office

with her iron fist with the gavel she is fond of saying. just months ago she opposed impeaching president trump saying he is not worth it. since then she has changed her her tune with other house leaders guiding the house through its impeachment process and vote. nancy pelosi has shown she's capable of getting into the ring with the president. if you need evidence of that, listen to what the president has had to say about it. >> crazy nancy. she's crazy. oh, no. so, now, she says, you know, she has no raccase, she has no caseo let's nut submit it. that's good, right? but so unfair. she has no case but they look bad. >> somebody who knows the speaker well that is christine pelosi. yes, the daughter of nancy pelosi, the author of the new book "the nancy pelosi way."

i want to start with the end of the book, you say you were there in washington watching a lot of this unfold. what did you observe only like you can in the way she was conducting this, the inquiry and the vote? what does it tell you as the leader? >> good morning, david. nice to be here. it was a fascinating week, last week in september, i had actually gone to washington, d.c. for the national gun violence victims memorial with so many people all over the country who have turned their agony into action. and that was the purpose of my trip to washington, d.c., while i was there, as it turned not mid-september, there was business about the ukraine phone call, pushing ukraine to investigate, not general corruption, but one person in particular, vice president biden. therefore, i saw two things, one, i saw as speaker pelosi completely focused looking into the eyes of each and every person, hugs and prayers with the families of people who had

been shot and killed. and at the same time, being very firm and very strong when it came to the house vote because the republicans tried that thursday, september about 26th or so to censure her in response to opening inquiry. they lost and i was in the house gallantly watching her earn that vote and confidence of her colleagues. i would say over and over again what you see with nancy pelosi is steady, steely resolve. and of course, anything that the president has to say about her as she often points out is the a self-diagnosis projected on to others. >> you write about power and how she wields power. i just want to get a sense from you in what we have seen in terms of this evolution. not to say she change herd mind but there was a metric with which they thought the house should get there with ukraine, and she got there. she raised that point.

how was that, with her personal biography, having grown up with her? >> well, my parents met in a classic service, it was full of people in the kennedy era who were excited about becoming career foreign service professionals. and making a difference in international affairs and formulations. so, her commitment to our alliances has really been life long. so, when you had these career foreign service officials who were saying, wait, we're pressuring an ally over politics, that is so completely wrong. and it's so completely antithetical to everything that she grew up with in terms of respecting the constitution. and as she said, there really was no choice, and god bless the whistle-blowers and the foreign service professionals who came forward to testify under great

pressure. >> the book is full of truisms. one of them "if you want to do well, prepare. "i was talking at the top of the hour, she was surprised what happened here, not in a negative way, but caught him by surprise that between articles would be held on by speaker pelosi waiting for a senate trial to take place. talk about the importance of preparation to her. and the importance of having figured out her path forward in a circumstance like this. nancy pelosi always told us, proper preparation gives way to proper performance. and you you're also dealing with coalition politics all the time to make sure everybody is moving forward together. so, the way she raised us, the way she has acted throughout building coalitions in her control career is the same way she's going to move forward with impeachment articles by consensus with the chairs and

what you will continue to see is the value of that preparation in promoting a result that is for the people. >> i'm going to have some fun wearing this neck tie. i want to ask you about what you're wearing right now. this is a pin. it's house speaker nancy pelosi in her fire red coat that she wore at the white house. this has become emblematic of who she is vis-a-vis the administration. >> funny part, david, every time she becomes one of these memes, she doesn't even know it. we'll call her, mom, you're an internet meme. why this time? this time, you left the white house having told the president please don't characterize the strength i bring as the leader of the democrats with a great victory. she pulled on her coat and sput on her shades and steps into history like as many woman who is counted rose to the occasion and that's why i put it on the

book cover. that's why i wear the pin everywhere i go if i'm not wearing the state of the union clap. >> the book is called "the nancy pelosi way." thank you for joining us this sunday morning. >> i wish everybody a happy holiday. this is a tie made by my precalculus teacher. i hang on to it. proud to wear it as i watch everybody happy holidays, happy new year. thank you for watching the show. we'll be right back here in just a moment.

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that does it for me today. thank you very much for watching, "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. the president threatening to grant or withhold certain privileges and certain military assistance voted on by the congress to ukraine. which is in our national interest to do so because they were fighting the russians. that's why i say all those need to putin. >> good morning, welcome to "am joy." congress may have packed up for the holidays but news in the scandal has not slowed down the impeachment of donald trump and the media's coverage of it has focused on trudge's assistance, that ukraine launched or announced the political rival joe biden or biden's son hunter. but it's