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monochromatic. and just out moments ago, john bolton says that he doesn't think the trump administration really means it when they vow to stop north korea from getting a deliverable nuclear weapon. we are going to talk about that as well. but first the capitol is quiet tonight after the churn of a historic week. and the jet fuel fumes are beginning to thin out after congress literally flew out of town. we still don't know what the political fallout will be from impeachment, and aftershocks could be felt for weeks if not months. despite the president's ongoing complaint that democrats were obstructing his agenda, things are actually getting done, believe it or not. when we came on the air just two weeks ago, much was unknown about how tumultuous the rest of the year would be. ♪ >> but the tonnage of what is left to do in washington before 2019 comes to a close is significant. there was a prescription drugs about bill to pass, the usmca

trade plan to put to bed, and the small matter of averting a government shutdown and, yes, potentially impeaching the president of the united states. >> by our account three of four of those things have been done. believe it or not, most have been checked off. the president even accepted the speaker's invitation to give the state of the union, remember that was bitterly contested just last year amid the government shutdown. but on the horizon looms a fight between speaker nancy pelosi and majority leader mitch mcconnell over the senate trial. and as with so many things on capitol hill, timing is everything. drawing out a senate trial has the potential to make life complicated for lawmakers that are running for president. and "the washington post" reports that pelosi's delay in transmitting the articles could push a trial centered on trump's conduct toward ukraine further into an election year and deny him the swift acquittal he is seeking. the speaker on friday invited trump to deliver the state of the union address on february 4th, potentially during his own

trial. still, the president lashed out, as you can imagine, calling for the speaker to be impeached, which is actually not a thing. and even as the white house counsel visited the capitol for a walkthrough to coordinate with senate republicans, the process of the upcoming trial is far from ironed out. >> well, what both sides have a fair chance of making their case? then we should take a vote. >> i think it's going to be exactly like the clinton trial. the house managers will argue the case to the senate based on the record established at the house. and one of the reasons she's not sending these impeachment articles over is because her case is so weak and shaky. but what happened in clinton, they argued the facts accumulated by the house, witnesses were requested, they were denied along party lines. there were no witnesses. then we voted. that's what's going to happen here. >> do you want to see a trial start as soon as possible, number one? >> i think the president wants to prove his innocence. and so -- >> and he wants witnesses? >> i think the president has articulated he is open to

witnesses, chuck. >> and with that i'd like to welcome in my panel this evening. with me on set vice-chair of the new york state democratic party christine quinn. in washington, d.c. ken dilanian. and senior congressional correspondent for "the washington examiner, david drucker. great to have all of you with us. let me begin with you, if i may, christine, first of all. this has been quite a week as we ran through a list of things that have gotten done and things, you know, the impeachment and the significance of it and where we stand with all the uncertainty of all that. have the democrats played this right in the one hand checking off some of those things to get done, the usmca, averting a government shutdown and at the same time going ahead with the impeachment process? >> well, in the way that it was handled, i think the democrats and really speaker pelosi erased the idea that the focus on impeachment would stymie anything else from happening. so that argument does not stand.

you can't throw that around minimum. and i think that is significant because on the senate side with so many other initiatives and bills, it's a stack growing on mitch mcconnell's desk of things he won't move. the democrats have showed we can walk and chew gum. we can focus on a potential constitutional crisis, potential crimes from the president and yet keep the government functioning and moving forward. >> so to that point, let me follow up and ask you as well similarly. was this an attempt also by democrats to kind of undercut the arguments that some republicans have been making that they just hate the president and they wanted to remove him, that they can't even work with him, can't give him any so-called victories on issues like trade and the budget? >> well, they are trying to make a case that they can walk and chew gum. it has been something that republicans have pushed back against when the democrats started this inquiry, even before they started it saying that this was a vendetta against

the president when they had opened several investigations into trump. and this was the one that they were able to carry through. what we're going to see going forward is democrats continuing to make the case that they can do their jobs, push out through bills through the senate, and then hopefully see them passed. but until then this trial is going to take a large part of the attention away from the work that's being done or that could be done in the new year. >> david, what do you think is the mindset of the president after a week like this where he has some victories? and we always get a little bit of insight, fraufrp, of his rallies, but no indication whatsoever that he is at least trying to meet democrats halfway on some of these issues that they just sent his way. >> well, look, i think after the two weeks that the president had with impeachment which clearly bothered him, i think that he's very pleased about the legislation he was able to sign. there were a number of things in that spending bill beyond averting a government shutdown bragging about space force, money for a wall, money for immigration enforcement, things

that the president has had trouble getting over the past couple of years. so they feel really good about that. and this trade deal is a big deal for him even though it's an update to nafta and maybe not something brand-new. but one of the things he ran on with ahis ability to actually negotiate deals. well, here's the first proof almost three years in that he can negotiate a deal. and, in fact, he and pelosi probably see more eye to eye on this trade deal than he and most senate republicans. but republicans are going to swallow this, and it's going to end up passing through the senate. and these are the things the president needs to do in order to make a case for re-election, at least in the swing states that are going to determine this. he needs this kind of work product. so while he continues to complain about impeachment and no doubt he will find some flaws with the trial, it won't end up at his removal. and he will be able to point to accomplishments like this so that he can tell voters, look, maybe you don't like my tweets, maybe you think my behavior's a little off, but i'm getting the

kind of things done that you would want a president to get done. and what are the other guys offering? >> let me pick up on that a little bit more because there is some interesting data behind this. because in the week of the impeachment of the president in the wake of it all, really basking in the performance of the economy and on twitter extolled a 50% approval rating in a single poll. behind closed doors, the president according to "politico" at least, he is bitter, he is annoyed with the media coverage, he is worried about his legacy. that is according to nine people. he goes through these peaks and valleys, said one former aide. but the anger stays. he's very angry. it's made a deep impression. the anger is deep and raw. the president sought to showcase that he could still win over unlikely supporters, particularly democrats sitting in the white house with congressman jeff you see there who was absolute in his transitioning to a trump republican. it also included an appearance

earlier this morning with maria on fox news. so he is doing the whole republican gauntlet right now. in the wake of the vote trump was defiant in the place where he is perhaps happiest, that is, as we mentioned, the campaign trail. >> this lawless partisan impeachment is a political suicide march for the democratic party. have you seen my polls in the last four weeks? [ cheers and applause ] they will receive a big backlash at the box office. when you take a look, that ballot box on november 3rd, i think we are going to have crowds like we've never had. i don't know about you, but i'm having a good time. it's crazy. [ applause ] but you know what they have done? they have cheapened the impeachment process. and now anybody that becomes -- you know, this is a sacred position. anybody that becomes president, i mean, they could have a phone call and they get impeached.

remember obama? 28 times you can have your doctor, you can have your plan. didn't work out that way, did it? i think we should impeach him for that. let's impeach him. [ applause ] for that, for the irs scandal, for the guns, remember the guns? he was giving them to anybody that wanted them. he gave guns to the worst people in the world and then they didn't have them registered, right? not too good. impeach him. why didn't the republicans impeach him? how about giving iran 1.8 billion in cash? how about that? >> i want you to listen to what one political expert said four years ago about the politics of impeachment. >> and you know it's sort of interesting when you hear the democrats, they're very, very good, very, very good. they go, oh, we want the government to shut down, we want

it to shut down. that would be so great if it shut down. it would be so wonderful if it shut down. and the republicans say, oh, they want it to shut down, oh, that would be bad. we are playing right into their hands. these people are babies. you remember when they said they wanted to impeach a small group wanted to impeach obama, right? remember? and then the democrats said, no, no, we want him to be impeached. we want him to be impeached. please impeach him. it would be so good for him. it will make him look so good, and he'll get all of these points out. it'll be wonderful. do you really think they want him to be impeached? so the republicans come back, oh, we don't want to do that because he wants to be -- who wants to be impeached? [ laughter ] oh, it's so sad. >> i have on ad mutt i don't recall any democrats saying that they want to have president obama impeached. but nonetheless those comments came just hours after john boehner resigned as the house

speaker. david, let me come back to you really quickly and just get your thoughts about the broader picture here in washington from the republican party. what is the strategy going forward? do you think that they want to try and get this president a swift acquittal regardless of whether it is substantial or meaningful? but fast? or do you think they want to actually take their time and try to exonerate him so he is buoyied by that support? >> i don't think there is much appetite in the u.s. senate for a lengthy trial chalked full of witnesses. this goes against not just what pelosi and chuck schumer may want to see. it goes against what the president initially wanted to see who has witnesses that he wanted the republicans to call. but mitch mcconnell has managed this such that he's explained to the white house why a lengthy trial with witnesses would not be in the president's interest, certainly would not be in the interest of senate republicans, from mcconnell's point of view. so, what they would like to do,

if the articles are ever transmitted over to the senate, and mitch mcconnell's in no hurry for that either. he can move onto usmca, get that through the senate and he doesn't have to put his vulnerable 2020 republicans in the middle of tough votes to either acquit or convict the president. some would hurt him in the primary, other votes would hurt them in the general election. he could care less whether he's articles are ever transmitted. but they simply are not going to be 51 votes among republicans for the kind of witnesses that the president wanted to see. and there certainly are not going to be 51 votes for the kind of witnesses democrats want to see. if we have a trial, you are likely to see arguments from the house democrats, and the president's legal team will wage their defense. and then i think you will see a move to end the trial and then we'll have a vote on acquittal. and republicans feel right now based on what they saw in the house, whether they are right about this or they are wrong about this, they feel pretty comfortable about acquitting the

president. and i think that mcconnell's goal, given everything he saw, is not just acquittal, which we know is a fate acom apply, there are not 67 votes to remove the president, but to get all republicans to vote, he's got a unified conference and this thing is over and done why. >> bring this up to speed on the impeachment investigation, if you will. i know the articles obviously have already been approved or adopted in the house side. but more information continues to emerge about the phone call, about the decision by the white house to withhold aid from ukraine. walk us through what we have learned over the past couple of days. >> that's right. perhaps one of the reasons the republicans don't want to call witnesses is that new evidence continues to emerge confirming the story that the democrats are trying to tell, which is that president trump was pressuring ukraine. and the latest story came from emails that emerged over the weekend that shows that the white house budget office 90

minutes after the president's phone call with the ukrainian president ordered essentially a hold on that lethal aid that ukraine badly wanted. administration officials are saying that's a coincidence, but there is much still to be learned actually about what the white house budget office did, and this guy michael duffey is one of the witnesses that democrats would like to call in a senate trial. it's really remarkable. in the clinton impeachment, we knew what had happened because there had been a grand jury investigation. and every key witness was called and questioned under oath. so we knew exactly the facts. here we are missing some key facts because the president has ordered key witnesses like mick mulvaney and john bolton not to testify. and they have not testified. and democrats would like them to testify at a senate trial. republicans don't want them to, presumably because what they're going to say is bad for the president based on all the other evidence that we've seen. >> all right, guys, everyone stay in place. we are just getting started here. coming up, we are going to hear from a cable news political

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senator klobuchar, you are looking assertive today. is there something you'd like to add? >> yes. the only cave i ever go to is a man cave. i call it the senate. [ laughter [ laughter ] please check out my classic standup "land of 10,000 laughs." >> so even heading into the holidays when the political universe usually takes a breath, presidential candidates are out on the trail. right now senator elizabeth warren is holding an event with thousands at the high school she attended in oklahoma city. meanwhile house speaker nancy pelosi and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell are still in a standstill over the pending impeachment trial and the spillover from that impasse could soon make its way onto the 020 trail, especially for five democratic candidates who would serve as jurors in that trial. now, publicly though candidates say that they are prepared to fulfill their constitutional duties. but behind the scenes though,

contingency plans are underway. ali vitali is at a campaign event right now with former vice president joe biden in perry, iowa. ali? >> reporter: we know that the house impeachment proceedings so far have overshadowed the 2020 race. but they haven't directly disrupted it. now though with the senate impeachment trial looming, things are about to get interesting. >> article i is adopted. >> reporter: that's the sound of impeachment's long-awaited collision with the 2020 campaign. for months what's going on in the capitol has followed the candidates onto the trail. now it threatens to take some of them off the road at a crucial time. >> it's the 2020 campaign. >> we're just going to find a way to do it. >> reporter: five candidates who are also senators preparing to trade precious face time with voters for long days in d.c. those voters keenly aware time with some of these candidates could soon be scarce.

>> i was not really like a fan of getting up early this morning. and my dad was actually the one that pointed out, well, if they're busy in the senate you might want to get a move on that. >> reporter: candidates and staff alike now trying to contend with juggling these political moments. >> do you fly back and forth? >> no one know what's this trial is going to look like and how mitch mcconnell is going to run it. >> my strategy is going to be in new hampshire a lot. >> we can obviously fly from d.c. to states and hold events in the evening and fly back. >> reporter: with the senators bouncing between the trail and the trial, the rest of the fields can campaign unincumbered. >> is there any part that relishes that you'll have the campaign more to yourself once the impeachment -- >> i don't know that i'll have anything to myself. >> reporter: but that doesn't mean they are enthusiastically campaigning on impeachment. >> what about impeachment? >> here on the trail our job is to talk to voters about how

their lives are going to be impacted by who is sitting in the white house. >> reporter: the senate trial will, however, offer candidates, especially those outside the top tier, a chance that made-for-tv moments could break through. >> i think everyone will remember what happened at the kavanaugh hearing. could you answer the question, judge? so, that's not happened? is that your answer? >> yeah. and i'm curious if you have. >> i have no drinking problem. >> nor do i. >> is there any upside to you in being someone who is in these impeachment trial hearings? >> well, i think there may be an upside in that i am doing my job. but i just can't think of it that way. i think the kavanaugh hearings marked me as someone that would stand my ground. >> reporter: and when impeachment is on voter's minds, most candidates try to tie it back to a larger campaign theme. >> we have now seen the impact of corruption. and that's what's clearly.

>> reporter: perhaps the ultimate test of doing two things at once. and, look, in talking to senators over the course of this weekend, it's clear they are all trying to make the argument that this is a moment that's not about politics. instead, it's about the morality of the country going forward. in talking to voters on the ground here, they seem to agree with that. nonetheless it's definitely going to make things difficult for them going forward. >> i wanted to ask you really quickly about bernie sanders. he's obviously had a health scare on the campaign trail. but some of his advisers have actually talked about flying back and forth every day, which, i think by my accounts, would be almost a three-hour flight. how would that realistically work? do you know if any other campaign has even thought of a similar approach? >> reporter: look, it's realistic. whether or not it's possible i guess we will find out. amy klobuchar also made a

similar no sleep still caucus. and instead spending whatever time she is not in the senate trying to get out on the campaign trail. i imagine that all of the candidates who are going to have to split their time have that same desire. but, look, the reality is that getting back and forth between washington, d.c. and iowa and new hampshire, it's not the easiest thing. though i imagine they are going to have to get a little creative. we have heard the idea of maybe skyping in. we have heard the idea of using surrogates. the candidates say that they are more than willing to do their part in terms of what their constitutional duty requires. but at the same time it's no secret they would rather be campaigning for the office that they have already spent basically a year vying for. >> ali vitali live for us in perry, iowa. let me get your thoughts on this, kadia. do you get a sense that democrats are concerned about the length and the scope of the impeachment trial? because, on one hand, as mitch mcconnell said, this was a political event. and at the same time, everybody really kind of knows how it is

going to end. the likelihood of the president being removed from office, i would say very little. are they concerned that this is going to be detracting them, detracting the nation's attention away from them on the campaign trail? >> well, first, democrats are making it clear that there is no split between attention toward impeachment and towards their campaign and their duties. they are trying to make it very clear that they can do both at the same time. however, voters have been paying increasingly more attention through the reporting we have done to the impeachment proceedings, more than they have to such as the debates or other issues that are concerning the candidates that are running for office. now, with the -- for the senators who are running for president, they are in an unprecedented challenge. they are going to be sitting as jurors against a person that they are trying to unseat in 2020. and this could mean, however they face this challenge, however they push through to make sure that the candidates are making their case for

president known and their policies forefront in a time where they are going to possibly see their bases and their voters be inundated by the impeachment proceedings, it's going to show that they are going to have to really top their performance on the road when they aren't even on the road. i think democrats are really pushing the idea that this impeachment proceeding and the senate trial that's going to come is not going to be the end all be all for how democrats face trump in 020, but really it's going to be a small impact on how they are really going to challenge this president. >> what do you think nancy pelosi is thinking about this right now? because, on one hand, she is the person who really kind of triggers, if you will, the whole process if she gets those articles of impeachments to senator mcconnell, the trial will begin. the longer she delays it, the longer this drags on. do you think she is under any kind of pressure, one way or the other?

>> well, if speaker pelosi is under pressure, it's irrelevant because she has a spine of steel and will be swayed by no one. so let's make that clear. two, let's remember the person in washington who keeps beating donald trump is a woman, speaker pelosi. so does she have a plan? 100%. when will we know it? when she shows it. and i think her plan is focused for first and foremost on her constitutional ability as this relates to the impeachment. and then how to deal with the impeachment in a way that continues to allow the government and the democratic agenda to move forward. and then, lastly, how it affects the election. because that's not the foremost part of her job as speaker of the house of representatives. >> all right, guys, stick around for us. kadia, thank you so much. just out moments ago, john bolton saying that he doesn't think the trump administration really means it when they vow to

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should, about a half a million people are going bankrupt because of the dysfunctional and cruel system that we currently have. you know what? i think we will pass a medicare for all single-payer system, and i will introduce that legislation in my first week in office. under joe's plan, essentially we retain the status quo. >> that's not true. >> first of all, bernie, i promise when i am your president i will get our pharmaceutical bills done. and we have worked together on this time and time again. and i agree with you on that. but where i disagree is i just don't think anyone has a monopoly on bold ideas. i think you can be progressive and practical at the same time. that is why i favor a public option which is a nonprofit option to bring the cost down. >> once again health care, as

you can imagine, was a major point of contention. the party is torn between single-payer system and more moderate candidates who are pushing to build on the foundation of the affordable care act. but the aca seems to be on increasingly shaky ground. a federal appeals court in new orleans founded that unconstitutional. chief washington correspondent for kaiser health news julie. great to have you with us. obviously this topic of health care featured heavily in the last debate as it has been on the campaign trail. but i want to start with that debate over how realistic medicare for all is. where do you fall on that? >> well, you know, congress has been working all year to do something about surprise medical bills. these are out of network bills that people get when they go to an in-network hospital but they get care from a doctor who is not in their network. the president wants to do this -- republicans, democrats, they haven't even been able to

do this because, you know, people in the medical community don't want to take less money. so it's hard to see how a congress that is united in wanting to do something fairly small could do something as dramatically large as medicare for all. we sort of had an object lesson just these last few months in how difficult this is. >> and we know from the recent kaiser family foundation poll, americans who support medicare for all, overwhelming majority i would say 54% favor medicare for all. 43% oppose it. elizabeth warren, though, appears to have shifted her language when discussing the issue of health care. and i'm curious to get your thoughts from your reporting on how she has fared. let me play you this sound byte from her at a recent townhall about it, though. >> we're going to push through health care that's available to everyone. for 135 million people, it will be full health care coverage at no cost. for everyone else who wants in,

you can buy it for a modest amount. you don't have to, but it's your choice if you want to come in and get full health care coverage. >> so, it sounds like she's backing away from the medicare for all entirely that bernie sanders has pushed for, falling a little bit more into the pete buttigieg camp of medicare for all, if you want it. from your reporting, does this signal a more moderate approach that she's been taking in the past, and why? >> well, i think she wants to be seen as a pragmatist. she knows how difficult it would be to get medicare for all. so she is saying, well, we will do this first, and then we will do medicare for all later. i don't know how well that has played because there's been a lot of tension about the medicare for all people think that she's backing away. the people who are more pragmatic, the bidens and buttigiegs and choeb peculiars are worried that she wants medicare for all. it's hard to see how that's been playing for her politically. but she is trying to have it both ways here.

>> what is the wednesday's ruling in the federal appeals court mean for the future of the affordable care act? and what kind of impact might it have on any of these candidates and their positions? >> it's a bigger deal than i think people realize. basically the appeals court has set a ticking time bomb. they sent it back down to the lower court who's already said that without the individual mandate that's been ruled unconstitutional, the rest of the law cannot stay. and so there is little reason to think that the lower court judge is going to say anything different when he sees it again. the question is will the supreme court take this up this year in the middle of the campaign? or will the supreme court wait until the lower court judge has had another bite of that, which means it could last until, you know, a couple of years from now? >> david, how does this debate around the appeals court decision just earlier this week affect the candidates and their policies on medicare? does it make anyone want to back away from it a little bit or go full steam ahead in the case of

bernie sanders and perhaps even in elizabeth warren? or does somebody like joe biden here feel a little bit on shaky ground, since he was part of the initial obamacare policy? >> well, look. the issue with obamacare being chipped away is a policy choice by the current administration that a new democratic administration could reverse. i think it's still just as easy to run on strengthening and expanding the parts of the affordable care act that everybody liked, adding a public option. and that's still a much better play than running on removing health care, taking it away from so many millions of voters who have it. and that's the thing about a medicare for all proposal. even if theoretically, and i'm not passing a value judgment here, it's a better health care system. in order to get there and we saw with obamacare and it took democrats to enjoy a political benefit from obamacare. you're going to have to overhaul the system. and when you overhaul the system, you are going to end up telling people that have current doctors and plans that they like, even if they think it costs them too much, that they have to go somewhere else to

some new doctor with some new formulation of a plan because people are still going to have insurance plans. even a government insurance monopoly is not going to be ala cart free health care at any time at any place. that's what causes so many political problems when you do a massive overhaul of health care. they are still in a much better place than bernie sanders and elizabeth warren when it comes to proposing health care policy. and what the administration did actually probably makes it easier for biden, klobuchar, and pete. all they have to say is i'm going to fix what's wrong with it, and i'm going to restore it, and we're just going to add a few more things. >> it's interesting that david brought up that point about who's handling health care. cnn has this poll that says, and asked voters who is best at handling health care. see sanders there at 28%, biden 26%, warren 19%, buttigieg, 7. as we said, 54% want medicare

for all. 43% oppose it. amy klobuchar was just saying you can be progressive and be practical at the same time. what is your take here? who is handling this issue best? and if the majority of people want this at 54%, why are they struggling to come up with a clear position on it for in some. >> well, i think the polls show us something that isn't so much about health care but that is about human beings and voters and candidates. voters like authentic people, people who take a position because they believe it and stick with it. so if you look at bernie sanders, he's never wavered on medicare for all. and joe biden is one of the architects with president obama of the affordable care act. and he stood firm on that. senator warren never would admit in the beginning how she was going to pay for health care. and now is a little bit tracking back. i think that makes people uncomfortable. americans know health care is complicated, and they want somebody at the helm who has a kind of very committed vision

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one critique of impeachment in particular has captured the president's attention this week. russian president vladimir putin at his end of year news conference thursday which lasted nearly four and a half hours. that's correct, four and a half hours. putin had this to say. >> translator: you sound as if president trump's presidency is at an end. well, i don't think so. after all, republicans have the majority in the senate and they, i think, wouldn't be exactly willing to remove his party member from the president's office. after all, house of representatives lost the election and they are trying to

revise this history, they are trying to accuse him of collusion, which never happened. now they invented this story about the pressure on ukraine that was allegedly exerted. >> a total witch hunt friday night linking to a story from the "associated press." a day earlier "the washington post" broke this story about former white house officials being concerned that putin was responsible for convincing trump of the false narrative that in fact ukraine was the country that interfered in the 2016 election. one former senior white house official told the paper that trump even once explicitly stated that do you think anyone is surprised about the president's tweeting where he essentially is touting putin's support against impeachment seems a bit odd? >> in a sense no because it's

consistent with his past behavior. but stepping back, it's not only surprising but shocking that an american president is embracing the authoritarian russian leader the way trump has. i happened to be speaking to an intelligent source about this yesterday. and he says vladimir putin must consider this the most successful covert operation in russia's history. and by this i mean the entire russian embrace the first trump campaign and then the ukraine conspiracy theory. you know, when fiona hill during those impeachment hearings the former national security council official, you know, proclaims, chastised republicans for suggesting that ukraine not russia interfered. she said that it's the russian security services that have been pushing this narrative. and at the time she said that, that was classified. and what we have subsequently learned is that u.s. intelligence officials briefed lawmakers in a closed setting about a russian intelligence operation to perpetrate this narrative that it was ukraine that interfered in the election and that the server, the democratic national committee

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welcome back to the second hour of kasie d.c. a lot to come this hour, including my interview with maxine waters, one of the key committees involved in the ongoing impeachment. in the past dozen days or so the president has spewed forth an advent calendar's worth of cruelty, like so many tiny bitter chocolates, underscoring the nastiness that is essential to his brand and casting doubt on claims from his aides that trump is merely a counterpuncher. debbie dingell joins me and later i talk one on one with julian castro. weeks ago he made big news on

this program saying that iowa and new hampshire shouldn't be the first primary states, arguing essentially they don't reflect the make-up of the party and so neither did the most recent debate stage. secretary castro joins me live later this hour. first president trump arrived in florida as the third president in american history to be impeached by the house of representatives. though, as he said this week, he doesn't feel like that's the cas case. >> by the way, it doesn't really feel like we're being impeached. i don't feel like i'm being impeached. it's a hoax. it's a set-up. >> public posture doesn't square with the mood those close to him are describing. the day after the impeachment vote the president was still a little shell shocked and according to "the times" after nancy pelosi signaled she might

delay sending impeachment to the senate, that might signal what it could mean. why do you think she's doing that? >> delaying sending shoddy work to the senate. mr. president, looks like the prosecutors are getting cold feet. >> pelosi said fear is never a word used with me. you you should know right away, i'm never afraid and i'm rarely surprised. if, indeed, she is holding on articles in an effort to get mcconnell to commit to democratic demands, including the ability to call witnesses during the trial, new poll suggests that american people would support that demand being met. new poll from washington post and abc news says that the president should allow his aides

to testify in a trial. and with that, i would like to welcome in washington news executor shawna thomas, national political reporter for axios, alexia mccamon. pick up on that lo last poll there and tell me if you think the strategy by nancy pelosi could potentially backfire. it is unlikely mitch mcconnell would concede to that, given his public statements in the past. the longer this drags out from your reporting, do you get a sense that democrats might be concerned or do they want to move forward with this impeachment and wrap it up quickly? >> it's clear they want to move forward. the question i'm struggling with is depending how long speaker pell osy decides to keep the articles of impeachment from the senate, at what point does that

start to backfire on the senate presidential candidates who need to be part of the impeachment process, they need to actually hear what's going on? i think it would be a very bad look if senator klobuchar, senator warren, senator booker didn't show up because they are campaigning in iowa. and after iowa comes new hampshi hampshire, south carolina, nevada, super tuesday. so, holding it up puts them in a strange position. but i think we also have to take a step back and realize, here is the deal. the senate wasn't going to go straight to trial in these two weeks where we're celebrating christmas, hanukkah and the holidays anyway. she may be trying to figure out where does her power actually lie in this? how can she help senator schumer come to some kind of conclusion with senator mcconnell? and they have a couple of weeks to do that, to be honest. >> alexia, does your reporting support the other reporting we've seen, that the president is worried, concerned or on his heels about this, given what he is projecting in public, that

he's trying to be careless or carefree about it? >> one thing we know about president trump is that he is certainly preoccupied by impeachment. let's not forget that he has started using impeachment as a rallying cry for his base of supporters back before the 2018 midterms, as a way to tell his supporters that they had to go out and vote for house republicans because if not it would be their fault that he got impeached. no matter what his public posturing is saying, he has been worried about this for some time. president trump will say what he wants to say. it doesn't matter if he doesn't feel like he's being impeached. the fact remains that he was impeached and was the third president in the history of the united states to be impeached. he can posture in tweets, mar-a-lago, in rallies to his base supporters. the facts remain that he is an impeached president. that will go down in his legacy and political obituary for years to come. >> what do you make of mitch

mcconnell for trying to portray pelosi's actions stemming out of fear, saying they are afraid to move forward with this? they're getting cold feet over their shoddy work. >> i think that's a continuation, unfortunately, of the partisan shift that has gone into the impeachment trial we've seen so far, or the impeachment inquiry we've seen so far. we've seen the ways in which house republicans push this misinformation about the democrats' evidence and the facts that they've been pursuing. it's really disheartening to see this fall on party lines when there's a clear violation of the oath of office, a question of a violation of the constitution, yet republicans' loyalty to the president make it such that they simply will not admit those facts and instead focus on democrats' fear as mcconnell said of pelosi, which she herself said is not true and use it as a way to show the president that they will stick with him no matter what he does. that's a dangerous thing for democracy and disheartening to

see the senate majority leader on this path. >> it's interesting to see if mitch mcconnell will pick up on this. emails obtained by the center for public integrity through a freedom of information request have revealed an official from the white house budget office directed the defense department to hold off on spending or sending, rather, military aid to ukraine less than two hours after the now infamous trump/zelensky call in july. chuck schumer tweeted out about it, about that official, the budget official, michael duffy, writing, quote, if there was ever an argument we needed duffy and others to testify and we needed the document s documents requested, this is it. this email is explosive. hold on the aid was announced at a meeting july 18th a week before the call. and as my colleague, john allen notes, omb mark sandy testified

july 12th was the day the white house requested the aid freeze. that was two weeks before the call. the more important piece of the emails could be that duffy was asking the defense department to keep the aid freeze secret and doing so right after that phone call. so, interesting development here. it's gaining some traction. senate minority leader chuck schumer. but shawna, what is the -- excuse me. what is the significance of this email one way or the other on this impeachment process? >> the reason why senator schumer is pointing it out is it does bolster his case that the senator should hear from actual witnesses and mr. duffy is one of the witnesses that senator mcconnell said he -- excuse me, senator schumer wanted to hear from. seven to ten americans say hey, maybe we should call witnesses and it says hey, there is more to learn here. there is more to tease out from

the timeline. there is more to find out when it comes to did administrative officials, did they think this was problematic in some way? and i think your colleague, john allen, is correct this idea that they needed to keep today little hush hush, close hold because it could be controversial. more people in front of the house of representatives, in front of the house intelligence committee say that because some of those people were pro trump. some of those people were not necessarily protrump. there's more to learn here. if the american people want to learn more and if senator schumer wants to learn more and if he can get enough senators on his side on that, maybe there's something here. my thing about this, though, is that senator mcconnell wants this to be quick. he wants to make the white house happy and he wants to get all his senators, especially some of his senators who have tough races in 2020 out of this. and so the question is whether witnesses are called or not, no

matter how much better that might make the historical record, will that matter in november? senator mcconnell is focused on a couple of different things. one, judges. as many judges as possible, who have his conservative beliefs, who have president trump's conservative beliefs. two, senators like cory gardner, susan collins from maine win their elections? the faster he can get this done and make this a nonissue, if possible, in the senate electrics, the better he sees this. >> let me share this with you, the interesting new trump campaign and how they're spending their ad dollars. it's leaving little doubt with how the president and his team view politics and issue of impeachment. axios reporting more than 99% of the truch campaign's tv ads this year discussed impeachment as tallied by the nonpartisan wesleyan project costing $4.4

million. it may sound simplistic, alexi, but the president going all in on impeachment, does he want to energize the base or portray himself as the victim in all of this? as he says, a witch hunt? >> i think it's a bit of both things. that reporting from axios is important t shows a clear difference between the republican party and the democratic party. i've talked to democratic party officials about whether and how they're fund-raising off impeachment or using impeachment to inform and boost their strategy, they're very reluctant to talk about that in part because they would much rather focus on something like health care than impeachment. that helped democrats take back the house in 2018 and something we hear from voters on the campaign trail time and time again. the number of times i've seen a voter raise their hand and ask a president about impeachment is zero compared to a number of

times i've seen it happen with health care, climate change, or any number of things. it's striking. the republican party and trump especially not only want to make him the victim when it comes to impeachment but they're using these ads for acquisition purposes, to get emails for folks that they can persuade into supporters and double down on the issue of impeachment because it's so polarizing and they can make it more polarizing. it's the rnc and others trying to use impeachment to simply fund raise, help republicans up and down the ballot but especially help the president's re-elect war chest. >> susan collins political reports, chris christie is trying to give senator republicans air cover with ads like this one, seven-figure buy, quot . one of the ads targeting alabama

voters and senator doug jones. >> today is about the actual legislative plan. >> but none of that happened. instead, alabamans got investigations and impeachment. more partisan politics and nothing for us. turns out 2019 wasn't a year for the record books. the democrat congress has let alabama down. tell doug jones to urge congress to get back to work. >> there is also a similar version of that for senator susan collins in the state of maine. is this what the campaign is going to look like for some of these senators in these vulnerable states where they're going to have to use impeachment against their democratic counterparts? is that what they're going to run on, as opposed to issues and topics? >> i think it's also telling that it's something like chris christie's group who is going to run ads like that. alexi mentioned the nsc as well as trump's campaign. i think the candidates themselves, as they're running in these tough re-elections,

will try to avoid impeachment in their own personal ads. if it gins up the other side, puts more money in the war chest, we are going to continue to hear this. at a certain point, i'm not sure that that becomes the campaign ad that you hear closer to november, but right now, it is about all the things alexi just said. it's about money, emails, getting your base out, especially when it comes to primary season. and i just -- i'm not sure it's going to continue to sort of have the same resonance except for maybe with the president himself as we get closer to november. >> alexi mccammond and shawna thomas, thank you. still ahead, vanies ilia ice, trump presidential library. when we come back, my conversation with maxine waters. we'll try to get some insight into speaker pelosi's strategy

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ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately the rules of debate won't allow me to cite all of the reasons why this president should be impeached. there are many. howev however, madam speaker and members of this house, to quote the late maya angelou, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

this day was not inevitable, but it was predictable, because this president has shown himself time and time again to believe that he is above the law and he has no respect for our constitution or our democracy. >> that was congresswoman maxine waters, who has been beating the impeachment drum since 2017 and waiting for everyone else to catch up. chair of the house financial services committee, one of several committees that opened investigations into the president before the impeachment inquiry. and joining me now from los angeles, congresswoman maxine waters of california. congresswoman it is a pleasure to have you with us. thank you for joining us this evening. >> delighted to be with you. >> thank you. you advocated for impeachment, as we were just saying there, long before we learned -- >> yes. >> -- about the july call between president trump and the ukrainian president. republicans now, though rrks pointing to you and others saying you were biased against the president because you've been against him and calling for

impeachment almost from day one and they're saying that as an example of the democratic party hate for the president. what is your response to that charge from republicans? >> well, first of all, you have to understand that they have not put up any credible defense for the president. they cannot defend him on the fact that he called the ukrainian president in an attempt to bribe him into finding dirt on biden and creating this phony investigation. and so they have to come up with all kind of made-up reasons why i and others would like to have seen the president impeached even earlier. i started to pay attention to this president when he was running in the primary election. the way he treated his own colleagues, the name calling, the business of talking about grabbing women by their private parts. the fact that he obviously paid hush money to cohen, his lawyer,

to give to stormy daniels, to try to keep her quiet. these are things that you just don't expect a president of the united states of america to be about. he defined himself pretty clearly. in addition to that, this is a president who has shown he has no respect for the constitution. he doesn't care about the democracy. he has embraced putin. putin is responsible for hacking into the democratic national committee and undermining our processes for election, undermining our democracy. and so, yes, i saw this. other people saw this. they kept saying, but he will become presidential. no. that's his character. he would never become presidential. he's a dishonorable human being who deserved to be impeached and i wished we had done it earlier, but thaveng god for the whistle-blower, who is a patriot, who said that he was

going to share the information because americans need to know what this president has done. so, i feel proud of the fact that i opened the discussion, that i led the discussion, that i tried to get others to join me. it took a while. but guess what? on wednesday, december 18th, around 8:24 in the evening, we impeached the president of the united states, this dishonorable human being who did not deserve to be president in the first place. >> let's talk about where we go from here. as you know very well, house speaker nancy pelosi not saying when she plans to send impeachment articles over to the senate to begin the process of the trial. do you support this move? are you at all concerned that it may backfire with the delay and not giving democrats the momentum they had coming out of the house? >> well, i think that nancy pelosi is doing an honorable thing when she simply raises the question of what are the rules?

we've had lindsey graham and mcconnell talking about their not going to be fair. they don't care. they want to rush through this. they're not going to call any witnesses. she's simply saying, what are the rules? traditionally, the republicans and democrats work together to come up with rules, and right now we doesn't know what the rules are. she does not know how to choose her managers. choosing your managers has a lot to do with who their witnesses are. this is about cross examination. which is the best on our team to do that? so she has a legitimate reason for raising the questions and asking them please produce the rules so i will know how to respond. >> are you at all concerned that the senate is not going to give this president a fair trial? >> oh, my goodness. the whole world must be concerned. they've said it. they said i'm right, that we're not going to give him a fair trial. lindsey graham said don't expect me to be fair. i'm not going to be fair.

and in addition to that, mcconnell has said i'm working with the defendants, the president of the united states of america, and i'm involved with him in helping to determine what he wants to see in this so-called trial. so, absolutely he's not going to be fair. they don't intend to be fair. and i'm hopeful that the questions that are being raised about fairness, the questions are being raised about what are the rules and who are going to be the witnesses, will help bring them to the point where they must understand this is what the constitution mandates in so many words and he should really live up to it and be fair about it. increasingly, the american public, including republicans are saying, yeah, why not witnesses? why not have them come forward? what we see say continuation of them not responding to subpoenas, them not responding to the requests for documents. the president basically telling everyone around him, don't

respond to them. don't answer. don't cooperate with the congress. what are they hiding? and i think that question has become prominent now as they watch him talk about how they're going to handle the trial of the president, by not calling witnesses, not being fair. >> rhett me get your thoughts, madam congresswoman, about your thoughts of the events over the weekend about the management and budget and pentagon, that a white house -- that there was a white house request to withhold ukraine funds that came less than two hours before the phone call that set off the impeachment inquiry. do you believe this strengthens the case against the president? are you at all concerned about this new information that continues to come to light? >> well, i know that there's a lot of information that could lead any logical, reasonable person to the conclusion that this president absolutely made the call with the intention of

bribing the wrung, new president of the ukraine into creating this phony investigation. and the fact that the emails show that they believe this is what was going on and they tried to quiet it down. they said, you know, don't talk about it. don't let other people know about the fact that these emails exist, et cetera, et cetera. yes, this is a continuation of the evidence that we have against this president and of the people around him knew and know what was going on and they tried to keep it from everybody. listen, if you were going to deny a legitimate appropriation that was given to a foreign country, particularly to the ukraine, who is fighting against russians who are trying to take them over, you would have to go to the congress of the united states and give reasons why you wanted to you do this. they have defied all of the rules about how to deal with

this kind of appropriation. >> congresswoman maxine waters, thank you very much. appreciate your insight as always. happy holidays, congresswoman. >> thank you. and same to you. a comment about the longest serving member of congress, which in turn highlighting something many people deal with during the holiday season, grief. debbie dingell joins me to talk about her late husband and her first holiday season without him. you're watching "kasie d.c.." ♪ limu emu & doug and now for their service to the community, we present limu emu & doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. and now we need to get back to work.

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welcome back, everyone, to "kasie d.c.." thank you for joining us. as you know, this is a very difficult period fofr you because this is the first holiday season without your late husband. thank you for joining us, in sharing us your insights. i want to start by talking about the president's crass comments about your late husband. there's been talk about the president's quid pro quo and he referenced your husband's, quote, a-plus funeral. he believes he played a role in that. do you think the president expected you to vote against

impeachment because he did you a favor by honoring your late husband? >> i don't want to get into all the politics and the finger pointing, et cetera, because i don't think that takes us anywhere from where we are, but i will -- i'm going to be very honest. he was very kind to me when john died. and he called me and told me he was going to lower the flags and knew that i was sad and that john and i had had a wonderful love affair and that i was going through a hard time. and, quite frankly, it meant a lot to me and still to this day that the president of the united states called on his death. i will also tell you, he was a world war ii veteran, who earned his burial at arlington cemetery by service to this country. and he wasn't laid to rest in the rotunda. the speaker called me, asked me, tried to help me figure out the logistics of this funeral. and i didn't want that because former members are not normally

offered that or entitled to it, and i didn't want anything out of the ordinary that other people didn't have when they died. >> so how do you explain, then, the president saying what he said, those comments, those hurtful comments that he said? >> i don't know. i can't even figure out why me. but i want to take a moment because it's not going to do anything. you can't take them back. it happened. it hurt. a lot of people have said to me -- i've been very open about how hard it's been this year, but i keep going and, quite frankly, work and keep every minute occupied is the way i deal with the grief. but if we can use this as a learning moment for our country, which i am really worried about, the division, the fear and hatred that's dividing us, and can get people to think about trying to bring civility back, to take a deep breath before you say something that's cutting or

cruel, then maybe something good comes of something that was difficult. and i guess that's what i'm sort of hoping comes out of this. because i do think people are pausing and thinking about it. and i think social media is causing us to be so bullying and so vitriolic. we need to take a break. we all need to stop this viciousness. >> do you want to hear the president apologize to you? would you like to hear him apologize to you? would you accept his apology? >> i wouldn't not accept anybody's apology. i don't think it's -- everybody is like, don't you want an apology? what's that going to accomplish at this point? i don't want a campaign that he owes you an apology. it happened. it hurt. i would rather -- i don't want to get into -- look, this is my husband that i love, a lot, and did a lot for this country. and i don't think he's in hell. i think he's up above with a lot

of his friends. and he would want me to make something good out of this -- this not niceness. and that's what i'm trying to do, and not get into this engaging of he said, she said. too much of that goes on. and it doesn't take us anywhere. it doesn't help anybody. >> so, speaking of your late husband, he wrote an op-ed published in february the same month that he passed away. one line stood out for me. in our modern political age he wrote the bully pulpit seems dedicated to sowing division and denigra tichlt ng, often in the most irrelevant and infantile personal terms, political opposition. what do you think he would say? >> he started dictating them with the woman that stayed with him. he wouldn't let me in the room the day before he died.

he loved this country and was worried about the pillars of our democracy and what was happening to it. he would view this as another warning sign of what was happening and try to get people to pay attention and understand their governments in all of our hands. >> let me switch gears and get your thoughts on impeachment while we have you, if i may. speaker pelosi delaying sending over the articles of the impeachment do you agree with that decision? are you at all concerned that it delays the process in a way that it could potentially backfire? >> first of all, people don't really talk about precedence and the fact of the matter that bill clinton was, by a republican congress, was impeached december 19th and the managers weren't appointed until january 6th. i think we've already heard some senators, which you have in the heard in previous -- even in the richard nixon days -- say i'm not going to be unbias sed.

i'm going to be where the white house wants me to be i think she's simply trying to make sure there is an objective trial in the senate, as there's supposed to be. but we're not behind on anything. the house and senate are out. the senators weren't going to come back and do this. let's be real. and let's see what happens as people are working, like the speaker. i hope senator mcconnell is paying some attention to this. and senator schumer over the holidays and let's see. we don't come back, that congress doesn't come back until january 6th. >> what is the threshold you would accept for the trial in that senate to be fair? is it simply calling witnesses or is there something more to it? >> you know, again, in the clinton impeachment. there's a second resolution that called three witnesses. i do believe that one of the -- for me, one of the obstructions

of congress was the administration being unwilling to have key people like this chief of staff or john bolton, the national security adviser testify about what they knew. and i hope that the senate wants the facts and that the white house wouldn't want to block the facts, especially if they have something that would contribute to helping to understand the whole situation. >> all right. congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you for joining us. happy holidays to you. as you mentioned it is a difficult time. we appreciate you joining us this evening. >> thank you and happy holidays to all the viewers. >> thank you. president trump's presidential library. it includes vanilla ice. that's next. ry it includes vanilla ice. that's next. an help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms.

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democratic debates all the way back in june showcase the most diverse field in the country's history with five candidates of color making the cut. fast forward to thursday night. andrew yang was the only nonwhite person on the stage. >> it's both an honor and disappointment to be the lone candidate of color on the stage tonight. i miss kama will. . i miss cory, although i think he

will be back. >> julian castro joins us. sir, thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> let me first start, if i can, sir, of asking you about what do you think or who do you think is to blame for not having more minority candidates on that stage? is there an institutional problem with our politics and our processes that has led to this? >> you know, i guess i don't think of it that way. i don't think there's any one thing to blame. i do think that it's a result of different things. these thresholds that have been put in place for the first time ever by the dnc. political climate and a lot of voters' sense of -- even though i have a different opinion but some people sense of the most effective way to beat trump in 2020. i think some folks believe only a certain profile of candidate can go and get midwestern voters

and so there's been a gravitation toward candidates that they think fit that bill, so to speak. so it's just been a number of different things. but there is something that's missing there. there's no question that if we're going to win in 2020 we'll have to assemble the kind of diverse coalition that president obama assembled in 2008 and 2012. and part of that is showcasing the diversity of the party. i'm confident if i'm the nominee of the democratic party i can go back and get the 77,000 votes that we lost collectively by michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania and florida, that we lost by a point and even go get arizona, which is on the cusp of going blue and compete for the 38 electoral votes of texas. there's a direct connection to, you know, the diversity that we could see on stage and the nominee that we could have, and how we're going to do.

how we're going to beat trump as obama proved in 2008 and 2012. >> do you believe the media in general has covered candidates of color equally and fairly, compared to other candidates? >> you know, i think it to othe? >> i think it depends on the candidate. i think it is also not -- candidates of color have different backgrounds and history, so we can't lump everybody together. but i will say just speaking for myself, look, there's been a lot of, i think, fair and accurate reporting. and i wanted to be a journalist when i was in college. i thought i was going to go into journalism. i know journalists have a hard job. it is a fractured race, so there is a limited attention span. but i will use as compan exampl. there was a lot of talk about whether i spoke spanish fluently. i think there is a lot of work

that the news media need to do. there is a lot of diversification that needs to happen in news rooms around the country that. that was highlighted when the latest report on news room diversity was released. frankly, it is pathetic. it leaves a lot to be desired. there is a lot that these big media companies, just about pick any one, there is a lot of progress they need to make. that affects the stories that are told, not only in politics but in every other aspect of reporting. you know, i'm sure that you and your colleagues understand that. >> yeah, absolutely. certainly do. something we all need to get better at. let me ask you really quickly, sir, since you brought up the issue of the dnc and the topic of threshold they continue to raise. what is your reaction to that decision, and how would you assess your chances of qualifying given the new thresholds? >> well, we're going to work hard. you know, throughout this

campaign, i have been working hard, building a campaign from scratch. didn't start with the same name id. didn't start with the same big huge e-mail list, but we built a big base of supports around the country. little by little people are finding this campaign and coming to support my candidacy. these thresholds are new this year by the dnc. i understand the idea behind them. so i don't fault the dnc for trying something, but i think that there is no question they will have to go back and re-evaluate these thresholds in the future because especially something like the january one, why would you move up the threshold in january when two weeks later people are actually going to get to vote. at this point, why not just leave things the way they are and let people actually make the decision for themselves. so i do disagree with that for sure. >> let me turn to one of the issues obviously from this debate the other night, an important topic, the issue of fund-raising.

i want to turn to mayor pete buttigieg for the second. let me play you this exchange he had with elizabeth warren. >> the mayor just recently had a fundraiser that was held in a wine cave full of crystals and served $900 a bottle wine. think about who comes to that. >> this is the problem with issuing purity tests you cannot yourself pass. if i pledge -- if i pledge never to be in the company of a progressive democratic donor, i couldn't be up here. senator, your net worth is 100 times mine. >> your brother tweeted about that exchange with a question for mayor pete buttigieg saying, did you all talk about the poor in that silicon valley wine cave? and so my question to you is, sir, do you worry that donors are in fact trying to buy their way into, a, the democrat ek

candidate, whoever that might be and specifically the buttigieg administration if it does come into fruition? >> look, i agree with senator warren that it's important that we not allow big money and big special interests to influence the decisions that we make when we're in office. and i think something that is lost in what she was -- what she said that night was that she does not cater to big money givers. that it's been a practice of her campaign not to go out of its way to set up these private events and to spend time on the phone, endless hours calling big donors and so forth. i thought that was an important point that got lost in the shuffle afterwards. i'm proud in my campaign i think we're first in second in terms of the highest percentage of small dollar donors. my average contribution is something like $20 for the lifetime of the campaign. i don't take any pac money, no

federal lobbyist money, no oil and gas money and so forth. all of us have gotten contributions that are $1 and contributions that are $2800, right? but it is what do you do with that? when it comes to mayor buttigieg, i do think it is concerning that he started off this race saying that he was basically all in with medicare for all and then he flip-flopped. and he now says that he's not for that. and a few months ago on the debate stage -- >> do you think that's because of his donors? >> i think that raises a big question in such a short time when you have these big health insurance industry contributions to his campaign and other campaigns. what's influencing that flip-flop? another example is that a few months ago on the debate stage he said that he was fully supportive of eliminating section 1325 of the immigration nationality act that i put forward as something that we

should do and now he's not for it. and so when you have a candidate that flip-flops -- >> right. >> -- to fundamentally on important parts of policy, it does raise the question of whether big money is overinfluencing his decisions and what kind of president he would be. >> all right. thank you very much. appreciate your time as always. happy holidays to you and your family, sir. >> happy holidays. happy hanukkah. merry christmas. >> more kasie d.c. in just a moment. in just a moment ♪ limu emu & doug

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all right. that does it for us tonight on kasie dc. we'll be back with you next week from 7:00 to 9:00 eastern. up next, "impeachment: white house in crisis," recapping this week's historic vote. for now good night from new york. good evening. welcome to our msnbc special series "impeachment: white house in crisis." tonight we join you for the first time since donald trump became the first president in all of american history to be impeached by congress as the senate prepares for this trial to determine whether he will be allowed to remain in office, we're joined by a journalist who has been sparring for donald trump for years and we'll preview what to expect from this senate trial. but we begin with a look at how we got to this historic moment. >> the president is an ongoing threat to our national security and the integrity of our elections. >> it was never about the facts because there was