happy holidays and thank you for watching. deadline white house with nic e nicolle wallace is just about to start. merry christmas to you. loo . hi, everybody. standing between the house vote and the prospect of a trial in the senate, donald trump is ending his year making the kind of history he did not want to make. becoming the third president in u.s. history to be impeached by the house of representatives. the woman running the house speaker nancy pelosi is making history herself as the heihighe ranking woman serving in office, the only woman to ever hold t position of speaker. and we've watched nancy pelosi square off against donald trump and refuse to back down even in the face of his bullying and constant harassment which came to a head when she presided over

the historic house vote on impeachment. >> today as speaker of the house, i sadly open the debate on the impeachment of the president of the united states. it is a matter of fasktd that the president is an ongoing threat to our national security and the in-tig gtegrity of our elections. he says article 2 says i can do whatever i want. no, it doesn't. today we are here to defend democracy for the people. he gave us no choice. >> she was challenged at the outset by her own party about whether she was the right person to take on trump. and again, after the mueller report when she resisted moving forward with the impeachment. yet amidst all that, she has proven herself to be the president's most skilled adversary landing the most damaging political blows to the president, iconic moments like

at the state of the union when she essentially broke the internet with the clap examined around the worlgd. effectively upstaging trump without saying a world. walking out of a white house meeting with the president that she described afterwards as a presidential meltdown. trump responded by defeatingtwe photo in which he called her unhin hinged. but pelosi was the one person in the room with the courage to stand up to trump. and as she gang oig s she bange the spooemt impeachment debate, started to clap but she shushed them. this is a somber time, not to be celebrated. >> on this note, the yeas are 230, the nays are 197. present is one. article 1 is adopted.

>> and that is where we start today. we have jonathan lemire and charl charlie sykes, careen john pierre and also matt miller. she is his kryptonite. >> she is. we've talked how effective donald trump has been when he has a foil. we know during the campaign, he was sort of went one-on-one with hillary clinton. and we sort of wondered as he was president who that would be. and nancy pelosi has been that foil, but to this point time and time again has beaten him and i think that is -- >> he may be her foil. >> maybe so. that has irked him. and he has told people that he has never really gotten a handle on how to deal with her. when he short of cheered on her election to speaker ship, he thought that he could work with her being that he felt like she

is someone who he could do deals with. and there has been some legislation passed. but more than that, she has been a real thorn in his side and has gotten the best at him time and time again. especially that state of the union clap that we'll always remember. but particularly this impeachment saga. she was reluctant do so during the russia investigation, she has said that these were not moments where she felt that the party was there, that it didn't necessarily call for impeachment. but her hand was forced and with what happened with ukraine. and she has navigated it beautifully. she's held her party together. and here we are. he is now the third president impeached because of how masterfully she's landed this. >> and i was skeptical of the decision to let all of the mueller findings land and do nothing.

i wanted them do more. but what she did by doing nothing was establish in the public's mind her deep and jen win reluctance to take this step. and i think the fact that impeachment has in polls close to 50% support removal from office. >> and i'm going to admit that i completely underestimated nancy pelosi and the way that she has risen to this occasion really is have a ordinary. i agree with everything that john than said. donald trump said when you are a celebrity, women will let you do anything? well, she is proving that that is not the case. i mean, but also she is a legislative master. i agreed with you, i did question, i thought that the mueller report laid out such strong charges that she could have moved ahead. but i think that she understood where public opinion was, where her caucus was, and she never gets out ahead of her caucus. and i think that that vote of impeachment was so have a ordinary the way that she held

all of those representatives who have to go home to districts that donald trump won. you know, we don't have many profiles in political courage out there. you did see that. but nancy pelosi brought them along, provided them cover, and is really one of the most masterful parliamentarians of our time. >> and she is also building the bigger political tent. she had the theme from her songbook justin amash, all of the members of the most progressive wing of her party, all making the same points. and charlie is -- i think part of the reason that republicans who aren't trump supporters admired her so much is because of this hole in our hearts about the lack of political courage or talent on the right. >> yeah, nancy pelosi is going to go down as one of the most influence stial powerful speake

history. she's managed to outmaneuver donald trump at every turn. and i'll quote cardi b, she has dog walked donald trump, for all the youngsters who are watching. >> charlie. >> thank you. >> but it has been phenomenal to watch her. and i doubted her too. the same thing. when the mueller report came out, i thought we need to impeach, impeach, impeach. and because she held it off, it made her argument to finally get to impeachment was even more emboldened because she could say i didn't want to do this. and so she has been masterful legislatively, masterful in holding her caucus, controlling her caucus. and one other thing that she did is she got the most votes, 230. and the second one, 2 229.

she is someone that needs to be studied on how you do this right. how you strategize, how you run your conference, how you be speaker. and how to be the most powerful woman in elected office. >> i mean, the other thing she is, defeated 16 republicans in the primary, trump defeated a political powerhouse in hillary clinton. and the democrats who wish to replace donald trump in 2020 can pull some lessons from her. en a granted she is a master of a very different body, but she is also a master of the asymmetry. she knows how and when to get in his face and point her finger at him and humiliate him in front of generals and other men, but she knows when to pull back and work with him on legislation. >> she has never been afraid of him. and especially when you see the two of them on camera, one of the things about trump, every time that you see him, he dominates the room.

it has been true in the republican debates. i dominated the stage. you see him in the room with nancy pelosi, she is also at one dominating the room. it is a remarkable thing. and put me in the category of people who underestimated her. there was a big debate whether she was the right person to lead democrats. i worried about it because i thought not because she was too hold or too liberal, i thought it was a problem for someone being so well-known being the face of change. i couldn't be more wrong. and i think people who doubted her couldn't be more wrong as well. she has shown the ability to unite all the factions of the party, to hold off the liberals and to bring the can i have conservativ conservatives and moderates along. >> and even just a few months ago people were thinking that the beating heart of the democratic party was the squad. everything was aoc.

and how aoc was defying nancy pelosi and how frustrated nancy pelosi was. and think where we are, that nancy pelosi has reasserted her mastery of that caucus, no question about it. she has weeded out some of the people who i think were thorns in her side. and she has pulled her party back to the center. so i think that she is also going to play -- as big a role as she played in 2019, i think that she will continue to play in 2020 basically reminding people what works and what doesn't work if you are a democrat. >> and she also is playing a game that no owoone else is playing. she is playing the long game. trump plays whack a mole and he is like that moving hoe hoe mme. she took the darts and arrows after mueller and i think that she displayed this skill when

she beat trump for lack of a better word with the government shutdown by shaming trce ining he ended. >> and she was already beyond all of us and thinking what is this going to look like election year. how do i get these 41 freshmen reelected, how do i keep and bring this caucus together, how do i take back the white house. and we have to remember and this is something that i think that i for got, which was she has done this before. and these been through an impeachment before. she has been, you know, delts with republicans before. she has dealt with a republican president before. none of this is new. and one of the things that i always admired about her, the way she articulated the moment that we were in. how she brought in the founding

fathers, how she quoted them. and she really laid out the time, the moment that we're in and how unprecedented everything was. and the constitutional duty that she had and everyone in her caucus had and how they had to move forward. so she laid out that plan every time that she stood behind that podium. and i think that is the miss that many of us had, but she knows the space byrne anybody el -- better than anybody else. >> so donald trump plays whack a mole and she plays chess. >> and she is also one of the only politicians who makes her faith part of how she governs. here she is explaining that she doesn't hate him. >> i don't hate anybody. we don't rate anybohate anybody.

so don't being a causaccuse me >> i didn't accuse you. i asked you the question. >> let me just say this. i think that the president is a coward when it comes to helping our kids who are afraid of gun violence. i think that he is cruel when he doesn't deal with helping our d.r.e.a.m.ers of which we're very proud. i think that he is in denial about the climate change. however, that is about the election. this is about the election. take it up in the election. this is about the constitution of the united states and the facts that lead to the president's violation of his oets oath of office. as a catholic, i resent you using the word hate in a sentence that addresses me. i don't hate anyone. i was raised in a way that is a heart full of love and always prayed for the president. and i still pray for the president. i pray for the president all the time.

so don't mess with me when it comes to words like that. >> two reactions. first she has said frequently that she prays for the president. that 24r50drives him crazy. and he himself had a tweet where he suggested that he would pray for her. some way to hit back. he does not go to church service all that often. but more the idea of hate. and she spoke about how she doesn't hate him. and that is important. how many republicans are trying to define this along those lines. the word hate was used repeatedly. they are trying to impeach him because they hate the president and the president's voters. trying to suggest that this is a cultural war, that once again the democrats hating the, quote,

deplorables. and trying to define it as tribalism in a way to imflame passions. and she is trying to take down the temperature saying this is not about hate, this is not about culture, this is about the rule of law. >> and when i became the whun indications director in '04, i showed my entire staff the film about the clinton campaign. he with tried t we tried to innovate mostly on technology and i guess now you have to say that the trump campaign is the most interesting. but the point being to defeat an adversary, you have to love the adversary and understand the adversary. and i think what she said goes beyond her faith. and it really is telling to the squad or whoever, we can't beat him with hit because that is his

weapon. he is speaking to the people motivated by hate. his sort of green lighting hatred in the political arena, that is their tool, not ours. >> and it is a political lesson and religious lesson. she is showing that for someone who has been vilified for years, she is taking the bible verse love thine enemies to heart. and trump does not understand that. if you look at that let everter said she doesn't really pray for me, he unleunless it is to prayt me. he can't conceive of wishing well on an opponent. >> unbelievable. after the break, william barr's role as donald trump's chief defender. s donald trump's chief defender

i was spied on. it was illegal. >> do you still stand by your statement that the campaign was spied upon? >> it was clearly spied upon. >> they knew right at the beginning that it was all a frameup, a setup. but they hid it so that nobody could see it. >> remember, there was and never has been any evidence of collusion. and yet this campaign and the president's administration has been dominated by this investigation into what turns out to be completely baseless. >> don't forget, ukraine hated me, they were after me in the election. >> i am confident that the russians attempted to interfere in the election. i don't know about the

ukranians. i haven't looked into it frankly. >> all those alarming claims from the president of the united states and the attorney general who consistently declined to break with trump. crying out for a fact check. >> the indiaspector general didt find political by bias to use certain tools. >> as far as you know, based on the findings in the inspector general report, was the fbi part of some deep state? >> well, i think that is the kind of label that is a disservice to the 37,000 men and women who work at the fbi who i think tackle their jobs with professionalism, with rig or an with courage. that is not a term that i would use to describe our workforce and i think it is an affront to

them. >> so a gap opening up between william barr and christopher wray. even in the face of overwhelming evidence. and it might heed the warnings of eric holder who wrote in a recent op-ed that barr's recent conduct has rendered him unfit for the office he holds. quote, as a former u.s. attorney general, i'm reluctant to publicly criticize my successors, i respect the office and understand just how tough the job can be. but recently ag barrs has made a series of statemenes o of stateo deeply partisan that they demand a response from someone who held the same office.

visually since the moment he took office, his words and actions are i think consistent with his duty to the constitution which is why that i fear that his conduct running political interferenceconsisten with his duty to the constitution which is why that i fear that his conduct running political interference will reek damage. frank, you have been at the front line of sounding the alarm about attorney general barr since before he was confirmed. it makes me sad to say that you were right about all of it all along. >> look, i'm going to continue to call out lies when i see them from this attorney general because they are unacceptable and there were at least two or three in the clips that you just played. he says there was no collusion found. there was a ton of collusion found. there was no criminal conspiracy that was chargeable as per the mueller report. he keeps using the word spying. there is stis no spying. there is lawfully authorized

investigative techniques against the campaign and against people that were validly viewed as a foreign threat. this goes on and on and on. and the gap between the director of the fbi and the attorney general is likely to widen in the weeks and months ahead as we get more and more details perhaps out of john durham's investigation which is being micro managed by this attorney general. and we almost know the outcome of this. the attorney general has been giving us clues about where his other than personal investigation is going to go. he calls it spying. he doesn't like the idea that people were investigating the campaign. well, i guess that is what we're going to find and we're going to have to see whether the fbi director stands up to that or not. >> one of the things that is so interesting to me as a former communications person is the way barr is so comfortable push being out this information from the doj press podium. he stood there and lied about mueller's findings. he stood there and sort of

pre-spun the mueller report hours before it hit send on the actual text of the report. and on the day that horowitz, someones who clai s whwhose cla liked when he was hard on the president's political enemies was someone that barr threw under the business when t when dp did not line up with what barr wanted. how much risk is durham in who is running this parallel now criminal investigation into the origins of the russia investigation which the inspector general found to have had no political bias? >> well, former attorney general holder actually cautioned durham in his op-ed. he said, look, durham is a man of integrity, but needs to look at everybody around trump that has done the wrong thing. they have gone be down fdown fo

count and we've seen a bad sign from durham, a recommeputable attorney, by giving a statement in the middle of this criminal investigation. we've heard everybody say that trump has found his roy kohn. i hope that is true. i hope this is roy kohn cloned. you know why? roy kohn was identified as a crook and a fraud. he was disbarred by the new york state bar association and we august know that roy coinkohn w identified as somebody defrauding his clients. we're being defrauded by our attorney, the attorney general, because he has walked away from us. the american people are supposed to be his client. he has abandoned us and gone over to the president. >> and it is such a good and ominous point, matt. if the president is happy with his attorney general, we already know from the president's statements that what he wanted in an attorney general was someone who protected him personally. and we also know from multiple

news organizations that one of the things that don mcgahn stopped was donald trump's desire to investigate and prosecute his enemies, hillary clinton and jim comey. so if he likes william barr, what is william barr doing that we don't know about? >> i think that it is what we don't know about and what we know about. he is doing both of those things. i think that bill barr is by far the most dangerous member of donald trump's cabinet, the most dangerous person inside the administration other than the president himself because of the views that he holds and the position that he is in. those are the two areas that kind of when up know a country is slipping from the rule of law and into autocracy is when the president can use the power of law enforcement to protect himself and his political cronies from investigations as you have seen bill barr do. he tried to keep the evidence

being turned over to congress. and so it is very clear to me that that is what the durham investigation is. it is an investigation to get comey to get brennan, to get clapper, to get the people the president wants prosecuted. they might not be charged, but at least smeared. donald trump has a playbook which is to go out and create a scandal and then somehow turn it into an investigation. they got caught try doing to joe biden. i worry whoever the democratic nochl knee nominee is, they will get an investigation into that person. doesn't matter if it ever is convicted. >> and let me ask you what it is like for the men and women of the fbi. it has to be reassuring to see chris wray say that the sky is up and the grass is down. he was able to speak to the good news. that theres of no political

bias, that the investigation in the on the trump campaign w properly predicated. and he talked about the problems and grave mistakes in the fisa application process. attorney general disagreed. the attorney general talking about how this report wasn't credible to him. how does that gap affect the men and women of the fbi? >> i talked to a few in the last couple week and christopher wray's statement coming out, supporting his troops, saying that the phrase deep state doesn't cut it with him, he won big capital. the rank and file and leadership, they are with their director. they get it. they are moving forward, reciting numbers are way up for the fbi right now. young people are saying sign me up for that kind of action. i get it. and that is very encouraging news.

>> frank figliuzzi, thank you, we're always grateful. after the break, the first television interview for a big name familiar to those who cover the russia investigation. estigan

lisa page spent two years watch the president and his supporters smear her. but following a doj watchdog report that found no political motivation in the way she and her colleagues conducted or opened the investigation into donald trump's campaign, lisa page is ready to talk. in her first televised interview, page spoke to rachel had do y m maddow. >> when you worked on the russia investigation, obviously you were one of the people who was involved in the justice department and the fbi in such a way that you knew a lot about

both of those cases. did you and the others involved struggle with this continuity that the clinton investigation for the reasons that you just described was very public and various steps were disclosed to the public, a huge political impact, whereas there was a live very provocative disturbing investigation into president trump and his campaign as well and that was kept from the public? did you struggle with the fact that there wasn't a parallel there? >> not at all. the two investigations couldn't be less similar. in the clinton investigation, you are talking about historical events, three years prior, her use of a private email server, that was a public investigation that everybody knew about temperature with respect to the russia investigation, we're talking about trying to investigate what an incredibly hostile foreign government may be doing to interfere in our

election and it would have been unfair to say anything before we knew what happened. >> in the terms of the way it played out, you have become a poster child along with seflgve of your colleagues for the claims from the president and the attorney general that the trump slb ru trump/russia investigation was cooked up just to hurt his chances of getting elected. but the problem there is that nobody in the country knew about the investigation before peopled a a chance to vote on him. and as an observer, i find that flabbergasting. how does not comport with what you knew? >> this is no one on this set of facts who has any experience? counter it intelligence who would not have made the same decision. is this a question of whether au russia is working to interfere

in our election. we were obligated to figure out if it is true and who might provide that assistance. >> in terms of the critique that i just impolilicitly made, if te had been a conspiracy against donald trump that could have been leaked to the public, is that fair critique? >> it is a fair critique, but we were careful not to do anything that would allow the information to get out before we knew what we had. >> you described as i mentioned the sort of self-consciousness around the clinton investigation, that everything was going to be scrutinized. and it seems to drive some of the decisions. given what has happened ultimately to everybody who is involved in that russia investigation, do you look back now and recognize any.

same slelf-consciousness, the same sense that the sort of scrutiny or blowback would be brought to bear on all of youch that way. it is entirely possible that this investigation could have ended and had nothing been found, had there been no relationship between people in the trump campaign and people this russia. it could have remained a secret investigation if you didn't find sufficient connections between the russian federation and members of the trump campaign. that is obviously not what mueller ultimately found, but you shouldn't assume that counterintelligence investigation will be made public because the vast majority of them are not. >> and in terms of the text messages and allegations that have been made against you, you've explained yourself in

putting those text messages in greater context in terms of what they meant and the way they were used against you. can you explain to us tonight what was meant by for example the insurance policy text message? this is you and peter strzok texting about the prospect that donald trump would be elected. >> first of all, this is not my text so i'm interpreting what i believe he meant. but we're using and an knowleinr we should take certain steps based on the likelihood that he would be president. if president trump doesn't become president, the national security risk if there is somebody in his campaign associated with russia plummets. you are not so worried about what russia is doing vis-a-vis a member of his campaign if he is not president because you won't have axle to classified information, you won't have access to sources and methods, international security apparatus. so the insurance policy was and

an naturanalogy. it is like an insurance policy when are you 40. you doment expect to die when you are 40, yet you still have an shourinsurance policy. >> so didn't just hope that he won't be elected, but press forward just in case he gets in. >> exactly. >> and what about the text message in which you were talking about your sort of fear that trump would be elected and he said no, we won't let it than? >> by we, he is talking about the collective we. like minded thoughtful sensible people who were not going to vote this person into office. you know, obviously in l retrospect do i wish he hadn't sent it, yes. it meant that i've disappointed countless people. but this is a snapshot in time, carrying on a conversation that happened earlier in the day that reflected a broad sense of he is not going to be president. we the democratic people of this

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jon meacham. expla explain. >> he will be running as an outsider, as an impeached president against a system of which he is the chief executive officer. so he's managed to do something -- of all the things that we could guess this, wasn't one of them. so he will say washington is rigged, the system is against me, you, and we have to change it and he will have been president for four years a that the point. so the ultimate outsider campaign being run by the man who is -- >> and what strikes me about what you say, in three years,

there have been independent investigations into his claims of a rigged system are true or not, and none of them are. the idea that there was a deep state was debunk ed. the idea that there was mass si ive voter fraud turned out to be true. and it has been debunked by people inside the house. and this election will test his base's faith in myth. >> fact immune is a great phrase. and the trump base of support is interesting interestingly impervious to contrary data. and the argument i try to make is the one way we can talk about what is unfolding now is by

talking about the past. and i argue if you talk about what is true in the pass, you at least raise the chances a bit for people to actually understand that data can change, circumstances can change, people you have faith in can disappoint you. we all know this. and the argument i make is that is what the american revolution was about. really the keen intakellectual insight is trying to bring together all the strands that had been unfolding in the western world. the enlightenment, scientific revolution, the entire shift from the world being organized vertically where popes and kings ruled to a more or or amazontal

understanding. it wasn't applied broad enough, but it did create a situation where most of us want to say here. so if you can argue in this president who believe in this president right or wrong, that you are not true to that tradition, maybe there is a slight chance that they will begin to react to facts that they don't like. >> i'd pay $1 million to him to say all of that to donald trump's face. it is sort of putting your faith in the lie and then believing the lie when it fails you. >> first of all, i had meacham on a bingo he card, so a win for me here. the president has no sense of history. he doesn't really read.

at the beginning of his term he embraced the history of andrew jackson. but that was something that created, he are the so sorted s should embrace it, but never had any infinity towards. he is not trying to win the cycle, just the moment. he is just trying to win the moment. it just creates more trouble down the road. and we have seen to this point he largely got away with it, but that has not changed. he has been impeached. and going forward, the test of the election is as you said, what do people believe, do they consider that there could be a truth anymore. and it is a real test. we always here that this is the

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is so my question, this is depressing conversation. the trump base not caring about facts. what do we do? >> you know, one of the things that i would resist in all of

our conversations with all of these issues is this idea that the american president is somehow separate from the rest of us in terms of public will and public opinion. you pit everythiut everything i the fact is that -- bingo, that was clever. knock the tap yoe cahe tap yoe that the american president can

do am in additinything he wants. others make it possible. and yet, yet, yet, and yet is the key word of american history, i don't think that we'd be having this conversation at quite this level with quite this depth of concern if it weren't for this particular person, this particular president, who has made this the air he breathes. the air he breathes is this warned truth. and i do think some individuals who attraction enormous public attention and support can begin to change this. one of the great questions before us, what happens in the republican party after trump. does trumpism survive trump himself. i don't know the answer to that,

but here is hoping that we end up with some someone for all their faults like dwight eisenhower or ronald reagan or george herbert walker bush or george w. bush or john mccain. for all their faults, those were people, those were politicians who believed in the basic direction and the basic value of the american system. president trump believes in the basic direction and value of president trump. >> and that seems to be the strength of the democrats' pooemgt impeachment case. it was all about the facts and the witnesses. >> yes. we started off the show talking

about nicolas madur about nancy pelosi, how they went for facts and evidence and laid it out for even everyone. when you had rosa parks, martin luther king, you see that now in the resistance in the last three years. people are being loud achbtd cle and clear. and you think about people coming out. so the fight is there and have stl a hope to stop what we are seeing. and 2020 is the last stand. >> jon meacham, i'll have to replay this on my commuter every day. thank you for spending time with us. every day. thank you for spending time with us

>> thanks for watching. that does it for this hour. "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts now. ♪ welcome to a special holiday edition of "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd. a blockbuster year a weights us in 2020. can you really top 2019? we better. not only are we anticipating a senate trial and removing the president from office, but we're also counting down to the fight for the first four, when the first voters will have their say in the 2020 presidential election. and of course it all starts with