>> for now it's only a draft giving the public another 60 days to comment and then three years after the regulations or finalized to take effect. until then were any large scale deliveries are still a few years out of reach. >> that does it for me on this friday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. prime minister netanyahu about [ inaudible ]. >> well, he's two faced. >> do you think that germany's -- >> and honestly, he's a nice guy it find him to be a very nice guy. but the truth is i called him out on the fact that he's not paying 2% and i guess he's not very happy about it. >> president trump clearly was very unhappy with canada's prime minister, now is he blaming justin trudeau after trump's cameo was cut from canada airing of home alone 2.

i'm not making this up. we will get to the faux outreach surrounding that just ahead. good morning, welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, december 27th. with us we have msnbc contribute by thetor michael barnicle. republican strategist susan de l percio, host of msnbc politics nation and president of the nation action network reverend al sharpton and nction nebc new correspondent with us in washington, heidi. >> good morning. >> i always say the friday between new year's and christmas you know who your friends of. and here you are. rev, you had a big christmas, as you always do. >> 28 years at national action network. in year our special guest was

phil griffin, the president of nbc. he and cory came said we'll do about an hour, they stayed 2 1/2 hours. people loved that the president of msnbc spent christmas day with them along with about 2,000 elected officials. christmas should be about what you give, not what you get. the thing that i really appreciated about phil coming is we talk about a lot of people that we never go and see and live and be among. and i think all media national tv presidents ought to go into different communities and get a feel for the people they're talking to and talking about. and that's what phil did on christmas day with us. >> and phil does that, we know cory is the real driver behind everything, his wife. >> i told him up town that the real juice phil has is he's cory's husband. she's got juice. >> president trump continues to speak about impeachment while he's on vacation at the holidays in mar-a-lago tweet organize retweeting the day after

christmas 35 times attacking democrats, house speaker nancy pelosi, and the district she represents in the one post the president claimed, quote, the radical left to do nothing democrats. said they wanted to rush everything through to the senate because trump say threat to national security. they are vicious, will say anything. but now they don't want to go fast anymore, they want to go very slowly. liars, wrote the president. he also tweeted this. despite all the great success our country has had over the last three years, it makes it much more difficult to deal with foreign leaders and others when i'm having to constantly defend myself against the do nothing democrats and their bogus impeachment scam. bad for usa. and in pelosi's home state of california the president wrote, california leads the nation by far in both the number of homeless people and the percentage increase in the homeless population. two crazy stats. crazy nancy should focus on that in her very down district helping her incompetent governor with the big homeless problem. we've seen a lot of this the

last week since the president was impeached. expect to see much more of this he's fills the space between the house and the senate trial. >> his tweeting has picked up in terms of pace and he didn't take any time off for the holidays. he is at mar-a-lago now for -- it's more than two weeks. he's not slated to come back to washington until sunday, january 5th, which is the day before things could get started in the senate although there's some uncertainty there. and people around the president get nervous when he goes on vacation because he has free and unstructured time. as much he's enjoys seeing members of his club and he spends virtually every day on the golf course, i think he took christmas off, he has a lot of unstructured time without much access to aides and he has a lot of access to cable television and his phone and he tweets. and we're seeing him really lean in on the attacks on the house speaker, but also sort of trying to rev up the sort of cultural war here, making this divide and making impeachment not as a

referendum on his conduct as president but rather about claiming that it's the democrats trying to not just undo the 2016 election, but it's their hatred, in his words, of not just himself but his base. trying to very much pit us versus them. he's leaning in on that going into the 2020 election believing is he use impeachment, as we expect him to be acquitted in the senate when it does go to a trial there, using it as a wedge issue to excite his base into the election. >> heidi, as you talk to people on the hill, is there any idea into the strategy of why nancy pelosi is holding on the articles of impeachment until she can get some rules out of the senate? how is that strategy playing out for her? >> reporter: well, you know he would seize on it and try to misstate what the real intention of withholding the articles. the president is arguing that she's withholding them because their case is weak. the reason she's withholding

them is she wants to highlight the fact that he is the one who is blocking the key witnesses from testifying. and those who are close to her, willie, tell me that this will not be forever, that this is not a hold, this is is a temporary pause. and that the end game here is to get fair rules. but even if she does not get what the democrats consider to be fair rules, which is having witnesses testify in what is supposed to be a trial, that at a minimum she can raise public awareness about the fact that the president is blocking these key witnesses. and right now at least looking at the polls from you want to use them as a data point, willie, 70% of americans agree that these witnesses, these top aides should testify. so for at least right now, withholding these towards the service of raising public awareness about the fact that these aides are being blocked is a did move on her part. but can she do that forever? no. when we come back from the holidays, we'll get a sense of

how many of those vulnerable republicans may be willing to raise their hands and say, hey, this is not right, we should hear from these witnesses who the president is blocking. >> you know, susan, despite the conversation here for the past few minutes and to pay some respect people in our industry, we talk about this a lot, the tweets, the behavior, you know, the impeachment process. but i have been struck for several months now, i don't know whether you'll agree with me or not, out there in this large country that we live in there's basically a shrug of the shoulders among ordinary people about all of this. certainly about the tweets and even about impeachment, despite how serious it is. >> yeah. and that's true. they look at the president right now almost like a child home alone. but really -- >> oh, no. >> the there you go, you see i got that. >> nicely done. >> but what they really are starting to worry about, or they've been concerned about is

what's happening in my life? what's happening in my community? and these tweets and the talk of impeachment, it seems like it's going over and over and over again, didn't we do this when the mueller report came out? if he's not going to be thrown out of office why are we doing this to begin with? and that shouldn't take away from the importance of what the house and the simulate are about to do because it is very significant. the president basically meddled in the 2020 election and he should be held accountable for that. but what people need to hear or want to hear looking towards 2020 is what's going on in my world? and one of the things that they're noticing is the economy is still going well. that's one of the main drivers for donald trump's re-election. and unless we start seeing something to really define the difference from the democrats and where the president is doing strong not just on character issues, think the president is in a good position for re-election. >> yeah, rev, let's take that big picture look at this. because this is an neck

anecdotal like mike was talking about. progressives have turned the corner and said let's find a candidate in 2020 that can beat him. whatever's happening with nancy pelosi transferring the articles to the senate, i think a lot of progressives and democrats have accepted that he won't be convicted even when it gets to a trial and now have gotten to a place we're coming around the corner to a new year, let's find that candidate who will beat donald trump and that's how you remove him from office. >> i'm sensing a lot of progr s progressives and i consider my set of same, that we've got to come to a consensus candidate, those left of center and those that are sent troi that are centrist to win. you can't repeat the same mistakes. when we look at that think there that the argument around the impeachment has been messaged wrong. it's not about trump, it's about

saving the principles the country's built on. and, in effect, that mitch mcconnell does what he says, he is really acquiescing the legislative branch as a coequal power to the executive branch. from now on the executive branch can dictate whether we're going to answer subpoena, documents, witnesses, we'll do what we want. that's how they ought to be selling this to the public. but that's another question from the election as i agree with susan, the election is about me, my house, food on my table, my kids' tuition and if they can't address that, they're going to miss everybody up in wonderland somewhere in nerd politics. >> so how helpful is it to be talking about a purist test among the democrats? >> who cares if he had a fund raiser in a wine cave or a bat cave? i mean, we' live in homes. we live in apartments. that's what we want to hear

about. >> bruce wayne -- >> what's striking to a lot of people in the news business, just flouting the idea that you got i subpoena and can throw it in the trash, that you don't have to answer it. the president of the united states says you got subpoenas by congress, forget it. forget them. it's stunning. >> it is. that has been their strategy from the beginning with the house investigations prior to impeachment and now this. one wonders about the precedence it sets going forward. the democrats are forging forward regardless. they're concerned about the timing in terms of the election on the horizon. they don't want things to be tied up in the courts for months still. but going forward, this is a trou troubling precedent and this president could win re-election and is going to have perhaps in his mind defied the conventions here, defied the rule of law, gets re-elected and then it's completely unfettered going forward. >> hide li did eidi, it's impor

point out that the president points out that the process isn't fair. he can't call the witnesses he wants to call. it's been the white house strategy in a letter written by the white house counsel in october to say we will not participate in this process. rudy giuliani's not going to participate in the process. you're not going to get the documents. you're not going to get the witnesses. we're having none of it and we'll take our chances. and so far it's worked for them. >> thaand that was actually the beginning of the basis for the second article of impeachment on obstruction when pat sip sloanny sent that letter saying, no, congress, you don't have a constitutional right, they do, to perform oversight, any oversight, and we're not going to cooperate with this at all. i quibble a little bit with the statement that the american people don't care about this and, of course, they care first and foremost about kitchen table issues. but i hear from a lot -- i think you have to separate out people who are getting disinformation such as ukraine interfered which is something like 44% of fox

news viewers from people who are getting actual information about what the president is alleged to have done here, about what mick mulvaney admitted to on camera. and there i think there is a certain intensity among democrats that there should, at a minimum, be a fair trial where you hear from the people who were at the center of this. that there be at least some accountability and some airing of truth even if in the end republicans vote to acquit, that if there is not that process, that that intensity number could be something that we watch as the whole country does move forward on discussing kitchen-table issues for the next nine months. i don't think this is something the democrats are going forget about if there is a week-long or a two-week long trial where you don't flare witnesses. >> i thihear from witnesses. >> i think we're fwhiek points that democrats and progressives

are glad he got impeached and things should move forward, but they're turning the corner and making sure they're in a good position for 2020. >> and i don't think any of the candidates would organiargue thn important point and it's an important point been voters. but voters really that are struggling, which are a lot of the base, which say lot of base of the democratic party, are really trying to deal with kitchen-table issues. that's what we've got to address, particularly while you have a president that's bragging about the economy. >> yeah. >> right now we cannot say with any confidence that donald trump would not be re-elected that. should make us uncomfortable. >> you know there's a third point that might actually be the most important point. and it's hard to talk about because it's hard to define. but it is this. in 2016, this country was attacked by a sworn enemy of the united states, russia. >> yep. >> they subverted our electoral

process. they are doing it today as we speak. and i am not one of these guys with a big library in my head of things that was said by public people, but i don't think the president of the united states has ever specifically addressed what we're doing to counter this attack that is ongoing right now. so we have a country, our country, still under attack by a sworn enemy and i have yet really to hear the president of the united states say, hey, this is what we're going to do. >> it's interesting that jonathan lemire is sitting next to you because i remember a question you asked of the president about vladimir putin giving him an opportunity to confront him face-to-face. >> and he chose not to. he would not side with the u.s. intelligence agencies over vladimir putin and he would not. but there have been other moments where he's been given that chance and he won't do it. he still plays into the conspiracy theories in the is all about ukraine here in 2016.

there are some parts of the federal government that have tried to mobilize to make things safer next time around, but most experts feel like the country is nowhere near ready for what's coming. it might likely be russia, although there are other bad actors that could do it as well in the is a president who is so he focused on making sure his 2016 election is not so i illegitimate that he won't take the safe gartds next time around. >> he already asked china to interfere by asking them to dig up dirt on joe biden. this is a president who welcomes foreign interference. not only is he not doing anything to prevent it, mike, he is welcoming it. and that is such an attack -- it's an inward attack on the pillars of our democracy. i just don't understand how he can -- the senate especially, is not doing more to hold him accountable or at least protect our basic rights as americans and have a free and fair election. >> republican senators are on tv

in fact every day doing the exact opposite of that by push the ukrainian conspiracy theories as well. we've got much more ahead, including bernie sanders and his resilience and the possibility that he will be the democratic nominee. plus president trump says he was kidding when he criticized canada and the prime minister of that country for removing his cameo from home alone 2 kpint believe i'm reading this outloud. his son don junior took it personally. >> my question for you, sir, is home alone 2, your favorite holiday movie? >> well, i'm in home alone 2 and it was an honor doing it and it turned out to be a very big hit, obviously. it's a big christmas hit. one of the biggest. he it's an honor to be involved in something like that. an hono in something like that. can my side be firm?

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excuse me, where's the lobby? >> down the hall and the two left. >> thanks. >> there you go, that's the extent of donald trump's cameo in the 1992 home alone 2, a christmas class take this has somehow become a scandal. if you turned out a couple of days there is not the onion, it's real life. viewers watching that film on television in canada missed that 2-second scene. they removed that part. while the cdc says the edits were paid in 2014 when it acquired the rights for the broadcast film, the move has sparked fake outrage among the president's supporters who view the omission. they blame canadian prime minister justin trudeau. trump tweeted i guess justin t.

doesn't like my making him pay up on nato or trade. in a second tweet the president wrote, the movie will never be the same. just kidding. meanwhile, the president's oldest son junior called the edit absolutely pathetic. jonathan lemire, you drew the short straw so i'm going to ask you about this. what can we say about this idiotic story? there are people on television and writing online who are pretending to be outraged about this the. cdc says they took the scene out in 2014 well before he was even running for president for commercial time, et cetera, et cetera, it's i common thing that happens. but somehow in a slow christmas week it's turned into a political story. >> home alone 2, not as goods at organize that. original was a class beinic. >> you had to make the sequel, made a lot of movie the first

time, i get it. >> printed money, opened big, faded a little bit. this is -- it's the latest in a long series of pretend outrages. it seems like the president himself at least last night had a pretty good sense of humor about it. we'll see if he decides to weigh in down the road. but including his oldest son, you see it as another moment to bash an ally or pit us versus them or try to get some new points or distract the cycle. can we could do succession leer instead of home alone, that would be great. i got a t-shirt for christmas. did i. >> back on, back on. >> we'll have a conversation. >> we'll see what happens next. i subpoena -- here's the thing, though. i subpoena this theally not be the last we hear of the home

alone controversy. >> just to follow up on that, you've been down at mar-a-lago with him. i mean, how does he spin out that way? i mean, does he have people that, you know, they'll see that story so they'll see him this morning and maybe they'll just spin him up? >> he perhaps will see it on television himself or he'll be on the golf course or working the dining room and we'll encounter, rev, people will put ideas in his head. his aides in the white house are always anxious when he starts a long stretch no matter where it's at because they have less ability to manage what he sees and hears. >> don't underestimate donald trump. he understands the culture and he knows if he can get you talk about home alone 2, more americans will deal with that than they will the fine elements of the health care bill. so as one that understands our culture, he knows this is a great distraction. and he knows how to plug in more than most politicians into

talking to the american culture which is how' used that in a distorted way to become successful as president. you have to remember he never ran for office before president because he read that underbelly in this country that we still haven't dealt with and he read it well. and i think had they can throw all the things they wanted at him, he'll say home alone, that will ring in american culture. he knows which ones to pick and zone into. >> our executive producer alex said this conversation should not have been longer than the cameo which was seven seconds and we've far exceeded that time. let's move along. vermont senator bernie sanders 2020 campaign seems to be camping the attention at least of some democratic insiders, finally. new reports highlight his potential to win the party's nomination. "politico" reporting that they have reconsidered sanders' chances in 2020. they point to senator elizabeth warren's recent slide in the polls as well as senator sanders enduring the ups and downs of

the primary race, including his bounceback after a heart attack in october while other candidates have dropped out or are polling in single digits. "politico" piece points to the latest cnn/ssrs poll which shows that sanders has the highest rating of any democratic candidate. and "the new york times" is out way story that with less than six weeks before voting begins, sanders sits at the top of the polls in iowa and other early voting states. his supporters loyalty has made him the contender with 60% of iowa democratic caucusgoers saying they're support for the vermont senator is locked in. that's according to the latest des moines register poll if the could have a strong showing where democrats need a 15% at a caucus site in order to collect the share of delegates. mike barnicle, when these polls come up seemingly every morning

and we might talk about mayor pete's rise or how joe biden has stabilized, bernie sanders every time, talk about durability in joe biden, how about bernie sanders hangs out right there in that second slot right around where joe biden is and increasingly distancing himself from liz warr from elizabeth warren? >> in addition to durability, you can underline consistency and predictability and loyalty. all of his followers have been with him for many, many years. they didn't jump on the sanders train a few months ago. they have been with limb for manhim for many, many years. and the survival factor here including the heart attack is absolutely amazing when you think about it. that, plus the fact that you've seen pictures of him with the baseball bat, he's got a pretty good swing for a guy his age. little top handed. >> sure. >> not a pole hitter, but he does all right.

>> also can shoot a midrange jumper. don't sleep on his basketball game. >> yeah. >> heidi, let me read you a poll circulating yesterday. it was kind of stunning. the real clear politics average on december 19th of 2018 had joe biden at 27.5, sanders at 19% support. exactly one year later, december 19th, 2019, joe biden 27.8, bernie sanders 19.3. so for all the ups and downs of this race over the course of a year, there they stand the two at the top exactly where they were a year ago. >> yeah. first of all, willie, you guys never came to me on home alone. >> go for it. >> i cannot believe that you guys wouldn't believe that justin trudeau wouldn't be on the phone with the night editor at the canadian broadcasting company the night before christmas saying cut donald trump. >> very hands on, yes. >> that's very disingenuous of you. yeah, but on bernie, he's

remained very resilient. and that's a reflection of the fact that his followers are very loyal. it's a reflection of the fact that elizabeth warren has stumbled and that that is a portion of the vote that may start to consolidate around bernie. but it's also a reflection of the fact that he hasn't come under the same type of withering scrutiny and criticism that some of these other candidates have like joe biden and elizabeth warren. so the next thing i'm going to be watching for is whether those gloves do come off with bernie sanders on his record of accomplishment in the senate. because while he has been consistent over a lifetime on his issues and that's why his supporters love him and view him as very again withigenuine and him, at the same time because of the way the senate operates and the fact that there's up likely to be a huge blowout that massively shifts the balance of power even if democrats do gain control, it will make it very

hard for him to get some of his mark marquis promises through the senate. let's see if he comes under that type of criticism from joe biden, hey, bernie, i served with you in the senate, which one of these things that you have been pushing for for 20, 30 years have you actually gotten through the senate? that is where that line of attack will come, if we see it. and that will definitely happen if these numbers continue to consolidate. because, you know, joe biden's big concern here is that he loses iowa, then he almost certainly has a real tough time getting new hampshire. so can he regain his footing in south carolina? a full frontal attack on bernie if he is the guy with the momentum at that point is going to be almost necessary. >> that's an interesting point that heidi makes about the promises that bernie sanders has made, because most people have traced elizabeth warren's dip in the polls back to the moment when she presented her medicare for all plan and how much it was going to cost and who was going

to have to pay for it and how that was going to come together. bernie sanders has made the same promise. he's the author of the medicare for all bill and he's got the same problems and yet there he sits and doesn't dip. >> bernie sanders is the one candidate on the stage more than anyone else that people are supporting him because they believe in what he believes in. he's not running as a politician, he's running as one leading a movement. and he says that. and i think that that is why he will remain in the top three and that is why he's winning, because people are voting for what they believe in. later this morning at 11:00 i have reverend jesse jackson coming up to our headquarters he's launching a new book "keeping hope alive ". we supported reverend jackson, bernie sanders did in the '80s because people lived what he was saying. so had they come with a scorecard of candidates pass,

it's should it pass? that's what supporters are saying, we don't know if we'll get this through but we know we want it through. and that's different than people that are trying to measure everything by can i get nost? you have one that james mcgregor burns wrote a book leadership, you have transactional leaders, transformative leaders. bernie has run a transformative campaign. >> he's run a very well financed campaign. to follow up whoon mike saon wh earl earlier, he has consistency with his people but also his finance. what the potential is if he doesn't make it all the way through and become the nominee, we saw it in 2016, it took a lot to get his supporters to even softly support hillary clinton. his supporters will not go away this time. i think they will stay with him even if he's at 25, 30. >> they believe in it. >> yeah. >> it's very hard, bottom line, it's very hard during a campaign, during a primary campaign as we're witnessing now during a debate as we're

witnessing too many of them now, to turn and attack bernie sanders on any one of his proposals and say, senator sanders, that proposal that you're making about health care or anything else is going to cause you to have to raise taxes in the middle class. and bernie sanders will say absolutely. >> yeah, right. >> how do you attack that? >> where elizabeth warren has said, no, i won't have to raise taxes and people aren't buying that, many of them. coming up next, the newest take on the 2020 presidential ra race. we'll tell you about that when we come right back. we'll tell n we come right back. ♪music

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what is medicare for all? there's no exact definition because it doesn't exist yet. but the basic idea is the two proposals in congress is that the government runs one national health care program and everybody's on it. private insurance companies are pretty much put out of business and doctors, hospitals, and pharmacists bill uncle sam. copays, premiums and deductibles would mostly disappear. but nothing it life is free. government needs money to pay for all that care, which means

side effects could include a payroll tax, progressive incomtax, tax on the wealthy and the government my final lib able to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. >> the vague pharmaceutical companies. that was a clip from the special airing this sunday entitled red white and who? it's hosted by francesca. it takes a closer look at the debate over health care in the united states and joining us now is francesca, journalist and comedian. great to meet you. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> you you really nailed the details of those random shots drinking the smoothie. >> yes, getting kissed by a dog. >> sitting in a bathtub like that weird cialis commercial. >> lots of flowers. >> you did get to serious matters on the question of medicare for all and you sat down with bernie sanders who we were talking about. let's take a look. >> for argument's sake let's say that i like my health insurance. >> good. >> i like the logo, i like the billing system, i like that they

play careless miswhisperer when i'm on hold with them. >> i've got bad news for you. despite the fact that you love your insurance company and, ago with them, you're going to have to find somebody else arguing with. >> okay. >> because you're going to get all the cover tlanl yage that y people don't love the insurance companies. they lust doctors, maybe the care you got in the hospital and you will retain that. you'll have more choice, on the medicare for all, because everybody's in it together, you go to any doctor you zblant how much does medicare for all cost? how many iraq wars. >> that's a hard -- >> 1 and a half? >> people say medicare for all is expensive. but if you maintain the status quo, you don't bring in the coast efficiencies for medicare for all -- there are estimates that we'll be spending $50 trillion over the next ten years for health care. so we're already spending far

more than any other country per person on health care. >> you got bernie to play along a little bit there. you achieved something there. how did you find him in your conversation? >> you know, we had bagels so he was fine and happy. this actually was pre heart attack. >> oh, i see. >> but he was good. listen, i think that posing this question to all americans in a little bit of a different way and having a lighthearted approach, i think there are very serious grave issues and people dealing with health care every single day. we know those stories and we've heard those stories. but those folks can have a laugh and they can see that this absurd health care system that isn't working for them where they're going through a labyrinth of bills and different providers, at some point it's a little funny. it's a little ridiculous. i think senator sanders really understood that. and, you know, what he was

saying about people being in your network or not in your network and the fact that under medicare for all everyone would be in everyone's network, we found that first hand we spoke with a mother here in new york. now, new york in comparison to other states we visited has great health insurance, less than 5% of new yorkers are uninsured, compare that to texas where millions of folks don't have health insurance. but even here we met a mom who has a 3-year-old who has an autoimmune disease. they were 15 months in and out of hospitals, went to a hospital where they were like we take your insurance but this dr. doesn't. so she spent -- she quit her job to fully take care of her son and navigating this entire bureaucratic system. so say what you will about medicare for all, it's expensive, it's a socialism, whatever it have it's simpler. and someone like this mother in a state like new york who has health insurance said to me, no, no, i believe in a statewide medicare for all. there's a bill called the new

york health act, i believe in that because we need a massive simplification. there's no reason that it is this complicated to get well in this country. >> rev, i think in principle a lot of people like the idea. think the problem and the distinction some made and joe biden made and it pete buttigieg, we can have a medicare for all system, but i want the option to keep my private insurance because the senator is not exactly right. there are a lot of people who do like that i private insurance. they're saying i like that you're going to cover everybody who needs it, but don't force me into a program if i like what i. >> have. >> the intention is clearly on the option. and i think ea lot of what vice president biden is i want my option and i want to be able to choose. and that's going to be the battle all wait through the primaries. i think what francesca was able to do that no one has been able to do is get bernie to act light hearted on film because he's, you know, i think he does have a simple answer, but he makes it

in complex language. this is the first time i saw it and this morning i was working out i saw your clip. first time said how did she get him to do that? i don't know if t was the breakfast or your hair, whatever it was. but i think if people hear it more simplified, i think it's better for him and think it's great tv. i think you did a great job. >> but back to the choice, the thing is your doctor is still in yo your network. if it was a medicare for all plan, it's saying this doctor isn't going away, it's middleman that's going away. which from the folks we spoke with in texas and utah is a huge breath of fresh air. >> did you go to northwest states where the governors of those states have refused to september medicare money? >> yes. >> and what did you find out? >> we went to utah which more interestingly they passed a ballot measure in 2018 along with two other states to say whatever the gop legislatures

want, whatever they've been trying to hold up, we want medicaid expansion. we need it. we will have nearly 200,000 people covered under medicaid expansion. so they passed a ballot measure and it basd flying colors, worked hard to get it dawned the legislators still refuse to pass it to implement it. >> we actually have a clip of francesca talking to one of those republicans in utah. let's take a look. >> so you're saying that even though the people vote order in ballot measure, they want medicaid expansion. >> right. >> they don't really know what they're talking about? >> they understand the concept. what gets lost are these complicated details which are how do you structure the program? how do you pay for it? there's light of stuff in there. >> but isn't that your job if they said we want asked to this. >> that's our job to figure it out. >> you want this, we will figure out how do this because we live in a democracy, we're doing it? >> i'm supporting things that if it were up to me i would probably not support. but i'm trying to do my best to implement the will of the

sflor supporters in my district and get something going. >> you can see more of this, red white and who. it airs sunday night at 9:00 p.m. still ahead on "morning joe," hallie jackson takes us through the turbulent year in politics from her vantage point at the white house. we're coming right back on "morning joe." te house. we're coming rightac bk on "morning joe."

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welcome back to "morning joe." for president trump, 2019 marked the kickoff his re-election campaign in a year of political turbulence with investigations and ultimately his impeachment. nbc news chief white house correspondent hallie jackson takes a look back. >> 2019 started with fireworks over the longest government shutdown? history. >> are you still proud to own

this shutdown? >> i'm very proud of doing what i'm doing. i don't call tay shutdown. >> after 35 days of fighting for funding over the border wall, a presidential retreat that reopened the federal government and a state of the union delayed but delivered. >> it's called the state of the union, it's in the constitution. >> a week later. >> i just want to get it done faster, that's all. >> a declaration of national emergency at the border, infuriating democrats and instantly setting off a court fight that continues even today. overseas, a spring summit suddenly scrapped early with president trump leaving vietnam and his meeting with north korea's kim jong-un without a deal on denuclearization. that relationship repaired enough by the summer for a surprise visit to the dmz with donald trump stepping where no president has before. >> it's a great honor to be here. >> back home the investigation that loomed over the white house for two years coming to a close, robert mueller concluding russia did interfere with the 2016 election but the special counsel did not find sufficient evidence

that the trump campaign coordinate or conspired with the kremlin had the in his 448 page report, mueller describes i stapss in which the president could have obstructed justice without explicitly exonerating him. the president insistent. >> we went through the greatest witch-hunt in political history. >> reporter:? >> airing his grievances as he kicked off his 2020 re-election campaign. but it was a different rally where this chant erupted. >> send her back. send her back. >> send her back after the president's racist tweets slamming the so-called squad. four freshmen lawmakers, all women of color and u.s. citizens. >> i'm not going to negotiate up here. >> the summer saw the west wing arizona revolving door swing with sarah sanders stepping down. in august. >> looks like nine or ten shots. >> two devastating shootings stunned the country. >> we are wake up again this morning to a pair of tragedies in america brought on by men with guns.

>> and sparked calls for changes to gun control laws, but despite the talk. >> we have to have meaningful background checks. >> little action. >> if you look at background checks, it wouldn't have stopped any of the last few years worth of these mass shootings. >> in the fall, foreign policy in focus has president trump announced he was pulling u.s. troops from syria. >> i'm not going to get involved in a war between turkey and syria. >> that same month, another announcement. one of the most significant in the trump era, the president in extraordinary detail describing the death of the man's most wanted terrorist. we understand from multiple sources that the president himself personally approved this operation. >> he died like a dog. he died like a coward. >> later on the south lawn, a photo op with the hero k-9 who helped commandos in the raid. but by then a shadow was hang offering the white house. impeachment, as democrats accuse the president of abusing his power by asking ukraine for

investigations that could hem he help him politically into the bidens. >> there was no crime. danger persists, the risk is real. >> the white house choosing not to cooperate with the house pro proceedings and on december 18th, donald trump became only the third ever impeached president of the united states. >> with today's illegal and unconstitutional and partisan impeachment -- >> his white house choosing to focus on several political wins like an agreement on the first phase of a trade deal with china to ramp down the trade war that royaled markets this year and the year-end pass sage age of a funding bill with the revised version of nafta. still, impeachment looms over 2020 with a trial on the way and donald trump hoping to make history again by becoming the first impeached president ever re-elected. hallie jackson, nbc news, the

white house. >> so, re-thv, that reads like list of ref i havvie. what do we have. >> i have an all-star panel this year. i have joy reed, of "am joy." i have chris hayes of all in with chris hayes. >> the big guns. >> i have ama rosa who was an aide to donald trump and i have superstar susan del percio. >> you are there on the revvie. >> we're going to get dressed up and do everything other than have mike barnicle call the shots. >> that's something to aspire to. heidi, i want to ask you before we let you go for the weekend about lisa murkowski in the senate. one of the few republicans who we've heard speak up. she said a couple of days ago she's, quote, disturbed by minumitch mcconnell coming forward saying

he's coordinating with the white house on the trial is. that a public declaration to give her cover? >> much is made about her willingness to speak out against mitch mcconnell. but i would caution people at this point not to read too much into this. because if you look at what she actually said, what she said was zwlauft s she just wants a fair hearing and to hear from the house and the president's lawyer. they she didn't say she wanted to hear from witnesses which is where democrats are digging in. in order for democrats to get those witnesses, you would need lisa murkowski go much further and then three more lisa murkowski's. we're not going to get any answers to this until they come back in january but this is where we are right now. >> let's bottom line this. is there a single republican who's going to vote to impeach president trump? there will not be a single republican. there could be four. i don't think you see one think

there you see potentially a block. if there's not four or five, there probably will be none. >> heidi, did you very much. we'll talk to you soon. coming up next on "morning joe," brett stevens is here with his new column on what it will take to beat donald trump parity message f, a message for democrats next on "morning joe." message for democrats next on "morning joe." only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ 1 in 5 people you meet wear yeah. that many! but right now, is not the time to talk about it. so when you're ready, search 'my denture care'. poligrip and polident. fixed. fresh. and just between us. where we can find common ground... big enough to dance on. for a better us, donate to your local y today.

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the dot here in new york. friday, december 27th. i'm willie geist. still with us, mike barnicle. the host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the action network reverend al sharpton. republican strategist and msnbc political analysts susan del percio. jiengd our conversation, national politics correspondent for the "washington post" ann gearrin. columnist for "the new york times" brett stevens. and professor of history tulane university, walter isaacson. good morning and welcome to you all. brett, i want to start with your piece, one that's got a lot of people talking this morning in the "new york times" entitled what will it take to beat donald trump? brett writes in part, bill clinton and barack obama both campaigned for and woman the white house on the watch word hope. what watch word it will take for a democrat to win this time? my suggestion, soap. nearly three years in donald trump's presidency, america needs a hard scrub and a deep cleanse. as with most bullies, the key to beating trump is to treat him as

the nonentity he fundamentally is. wouldn't it be something in if his political opponents and obsessed media critics absolved for 2020 to talk about him a little less. when your goal is to wash your hands of something, with soap doll. i think people are tired and exhaust and they want to cleanse themselves of this but the key to that is to find the right candidate to be the soap, if you will. >> not just democrats think there a lot of persuadable, middle of the road voters are just tired of the constant noise and they're sick of a president who makes them feel embarrassed for the country, embarrassed for the president himself, but that means you want a candidate who gives you a sense that the white house is in the hands of someone winning at the gritty, someone with personal decency, someone who really calms the waters. the opposite of soap is really surgery. we've got at least two

candidates in the democratic field who are promising basically radical surgery on the economy, if you move in that -- i think if the democratic party moves in that direction towards elizabeth warren or bernie sanders, the persuadable voters are going to become very skeptical about that and wonder whethers this a price worth paying simply just to wash their hands of a president whose behavior they detest. >> you've got tips in here for democrats. i'm finding that right candidate. i'll start with the first one which is smart infrastructure spending and taxes geared toward budget -- to a balanced budget and not for some fantastical ideas. >> it has the inhairnt harerent for modesty. i also have tax cuts for saving and investment. the idea leer is juhere is to p budget and economy ib approach that's progressive of that favors the middle class and working classes, but doesn't

frighten are middle class that doesn't want to see entire industries destroyed or reinvented. >> walter isakson, you're living down there in the real america, new orleans. bret's column gets to one of the points that i think you pick up when you're walking around in the real america. and it's that a large majority of americans, perhaps, just want a candidate who comes forward and says i'm going to take care of america. >> exactly. i mean, people down here or any where you go around the country, they're so sick of this sort of poison that we now have in our country. and they almost shy away. they just want to get away from it. they want to get thought of movie. i think it's both a movie of the united states and to some extent global where we've reached a huge peak of poison and incivility and hatred and people calling each other liars and people lying. and it would be nice to say,

i've read bret's column, i think he's exactly right. hey, i'm going to get up every morning and look after you all. you don't have to worry, i'm not going to get two-hour rants, you know, in rallies in michigan. i'm not going to say things that are totally buffoonish. i'm going to try to get this country back on course, worry about the $23 trillion deficit. make sure health care is done right. and maybe, this is a pipe dream, but some point the fever breaks and we have a little bit less partisan discord. >> i want to get to the second point on your list, one i'm sure has earned you some festive holiday emails from democrats. you write this. too much of today's left is too busy pointing out the ugliness of the trumpian right to notice its own ugliness. it's nastiness and complacent self-righteousness but millions of ordinary americans see it and they will not vote for a candidate. the democrat who breaks with

that culture is the likeliest to win. what are you talk about there specifically? >> i'm mindful, for instance, of comments president obama made just a couple months ago when he spoke out about the perils of cancel culture and the fact that cancel culture screaming at people on twitter is not genuine activism and a genuine avenue towards social change. look, you know, the democratic party, every party gets -- runs the risk getting branded by the most extreme aspects of its -- cultural aspects of many of its members. in the case of republican party it's been captured by that extreme. but i don't think the democrats want to move in the same direction. they don't want to become a mirror image of the trumpian right which is firing salvos at people who it doesn't pur seif to p perceive to be -- they want to, as joe biden talks about and others, of looking at your

opponents and say let's find avenues where we can work together rather than just blow each other up. i don't think you want a democratic party that comes across in the george mcgovern sense as the party of, you though, it was said in the '70s, amnesty, acid and abortion. it's not pack slope in oakland, it's also ohio, wisconsin, and michigan. >> that's a point you've made many times on this show. >> absolutely. what i'm feelings a enough around the country, people want to get out of the trump zone and they also don't want to get into a far left or even progressive zone that's just as uncaring about them. what about me? in the middle of all of this you're giving me the daily outpost on what trump is doing. i'm concerned about my health care, my kids' education. in that regard i agree with bret, that we really are looking

for someone that can say, okay, fine, we understand all of that. now here's how we move forward in the is my vision that involves you. and i think where a lot of the democrats have made a mistake is they fed into a narrative that trump is dictating rather than saying okay, let them to do that, i'm back involved in trying to make your life work. that's the person that can beat donald trump. >> using all of this as a backdrop for our conversation, where does that put the state of this race? we put up a backdrop of december of last year to this december, the polling between joe biden and bernie sanders is exactly where it was. obviously some people have risen and fallen. elizabeth warren, pete buttigieg, and others. but the state of play as we turn the corner into the new year is what? >> well, i think, willie, there's a state of play is also important to look at trump's state of play.

his numbers haven't moved either. >> yeah. >> so you've got democrats trying to reorder and organize against what is basically on the trump side, on the republican side, a static ceiling of support. biden keeps coming out on top and in national polling, not so much in some of the early state polls. the polls -- in the early states, i mean. and another thing that many national polls tell us is that health care, infrastructure, and in some cases some other issues we haven't really talked about a great deal but which i imagine are part of what bret is thinking about here, like gun control, like education issues, those are the things that democratic voters are saying they want their candidates to address. and it's just another way of saying that as we move toward

the iowa caucus in just over a month, that democrats are really starting to say, not only who is the person who could best beat donald trump, but on what grounds? and i think for next several weeks we will be spending a lot of time talking about what should the platform look like for democrats? not only what say winning platform against trump, but what is a unifying galvanizing platform and set of issues and priorities for democrats nationally? we don't really have that yet for all the debates we've had, he with still don't really have that. >> it's not surprising that during the did he baits whichdeh is how we cover things these days, health care is huge, education is big. russia, impeachment obviously is in there. what's surprising to me, and bret references in his piece, is people go to work every day, they drive every day over roads

that are terrible, bridges that are crumbling if the if th. 'they have a chance and can afford to take a vacation they go to airports that are built in the 1950s. the infrastructure of this country badly needs revitalization and, yet, it hasn't happened in terms of an issue in the debate. >> which is be shog becaucking because i go back to one of the things that republicans and democrats were talking about was going to be a infrastructure revamp. and it would have been a big success. some democrats were concerned about him having such a big success because he was also willing to raise revenue on it. now we fastforward, we're three years and it's still a tremendous issue, it's one that's needed and it is one that people would respond to and i think to that point, bret's right. like if they could just put a

sensible, doesn't have to be huge revenue package together, but to go after our infrastructure, people would respond to if tt. because as we've been saying, you're getting something that affects me. >> flint, michigan can't get tap water. >> infrastructure is tangible and something everyone understands immediately and it's a blue collar issues. >> yeah. >> and that's -- from that point of view, it may seem modest compared to medicare fora a all but it's a winner in a lot of the states. there's no such thing as an election poll. on election tday there are 50 elections. talking about national polls isn't what matters. what matters is where do voters in pennsylvania, michigan, florida, north carolina, and wisconsin go in november. >> you write the winning democrat will need to make trump's presidency seem insignificant rather than monumental. what you to mean by that?

>> here we are talking about trump and in some ways we are feeding -- feeding bat feeds. they there are huge nishes this country that we don't talk about like a 23 tril job dollar deficit because we're so obsessed about what trump may have said in a conversation way foreign leader. i'm not saying that that's unimportant. but to some extent we've had a three-year experiment in free public glis bli bub u publicity for a president that thrives on it and he's doing so much better than should. >> walter. >> bret said it in his column and then mike and susan reinforced it. if donald trump had done an infrastructure bill, he could have transformed american politics and his own image in the sense that it would be something that would have had huge popular appeal and swro wo have had democrats and republicans together and he

would have transcend the partisan chip. instead, he squandered it and played in a purely partisan way. interestingly, we're seeing boris johnson who's gotten his chance at it, he's going at it with an infrastructure bill. if you have an infrastructure rehab in this country that put people to work funded in part by a carbon tax because a carbon would help with our transportation systems, i think you could have something the country could rally around and we could bea i first-class infrastructure country again. >> you know, rev, it's kind of an indictment of all of us in this business that we cover the president's tweets as if they are the magna carta of the expense of covering things that don't exist, like safe bridges, crumbling bring crumbling bridges, we just don't do it. >> you're right. when you look at the fact that infrastructure is necessary, everywhere you go, roadways,

highways, bridges, tunnels are falling apart, airports, it provides jobs. we ought to be setting that agenda and having trump react to that rather than we react to trump. as one that knew him personally fighting with him for 35 years, it would drive him crazy if we ignored him. if we went -- if we had a trump-free week on the media, wouldn't talk about trump, he would do anything to get attention. he'd jog around the white house in his bathrobe to try to get attention. i mean, because he is the kind of narcissist that could not stand to be ignored. if i was the democratic nominee against him, i would ignore him which would drive him nuts and it would bring out a more bazaar trump. >> he might tweet about a christmas movie from 26 years ago. >> about the seven seconds that he acted like the door men. he acted like the doorman telling the kid where go. that's beneath you. >> let's go outside mar-a-lago

where the president spend is sp the holidays. hans, the president has been tweeting about a senate trial and about home alone 2. >> reporter: we'll get to the home alone on the back end. but we got something significant from the president. yesterday he acknowledged that impeachment was having an effect on his ability as commander and chief i think perhaps more significant, troubling, is that for the first time the president has indirectly i.d.'d the whistle-blower. it's a bank shot, he retweeted his campaign's twitter account which linked to an article, but that was the initial article in the washington examiner that named the whistle metro area. he's been named in congress before and nbc news is not naming the whistle-blower on the corner stone of whistleblowers is to remain anonymous. president is in fighting mode, on vacation down here. nothing official on his schedule but you can get a sense of where his head's at by monitoring his

twitter feed. and he's clearly upset that at least part of home alone 2, his part, was cut in the canadian stlefrti version of this and this has caused him to go after the prime minister of canada justin t. as he called him. we can get into that or we can get into a better debate of what's the best christmas movie, diehard, home alone 2 or home alone 1. >> it's diehard and there are about 20 movies between zblos what about planes, trains, and automobiles. >> it's the same plot. in diehard everyone is, you know, you got to kill all the bad guys or get them in a confined space. there are similarities, but, again -- >> that's also a good one, but it's no diehard. >> it's a wonderful life at the end, i cry. >> angel gets his wings, right, mike? >> yeah. >> hans nichols with some important fix criticism outside mar-a-lago. thank you very much.

bret stephens, thank you very much as well. coming up on "morning joe." now, it's his business, not my business. why he supports a president who wants to erect a medieval barrier on the border of texas bhot wan. who wants to use eminent domain. who wants to declare an unconstitutional emergency to build that wall. that's the business of the senator of texas i can assure you that in colorado if a president said he was going to use eminent domain to erect a barrier across the state of colorado, across the rocky mountains of colorado, he was going to steal the property of our farmers and ranchers to build his medieval wall, there wasn't be an elected leader from our state that would support that idea. >> that was senator michael bennet of colorado earlier this

year raling against the president's plan for a border call. "the new york times" now reports construction of the wall has been slow going as we've reported all year, in part because the texans who own the land have to be coaxed or ersed to sell it whether they want to or not. we have that story next on "morning joe." or not we have that story next on "morning joe." as a struggling want to or. we have that story next on "morning joe." they want to or . we have that story next on "morning joe." o sell it whethe or not. we have that story next on "morning joe." want to or not. we have that story next on "morning joe." to sell it wheth or not. we have that story next on "morning joe." want to or not. we have that story next on "morning joe." ry n story next n "morning joe." ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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how many miles of wall has been constructed? not wall that's replacing old wall, but new wall has been built to this point? >> so 78 miles of new wall has been built. >> so much of that, obviously, is replacing wall that formerly existed that the president said was insufficient. how many walls now exist where there was nos wall whatsoever. >> my response to that is every mile of wall that's being build built is a new mile of wall. >> no disagreements.

how many miles have former li exist the that have been renovated or replaced but new where nothing existed. >> 78 miles have been built where there was an existing form of barrier. we just started breaking ground on rgv where we're building miles of new wall where there has been no structure there at all. >> that's just now starting the construction of new wall begins actually now? >> that's correct. >> that's was peter alexander pressing them. after boiling that down, he got them to say we actually haven't built any new weiall. after the build the wall chants, there is no new wall. >> you could see how desperate he was to say that on camera knowing the president was watches. it has just started. to this point, there has not been any new wall built. there will be likely some this

year, probably not a lot, but it will go up, the president will point to and say i've started to build the wall. but three years in nothing's happened. >> he controlled congress for the first two years, could have got t gotten it done. >> so there's a new op-ed this morning entitled three years in trump is pushing his border wall. the editors of the new york times write from the earliest days of his campaign to become president, donald trump seized on the construction of a, quote, beautiful wall along the u.s./mexico border as a solution to what he assert dollars watt dangerous and costly problem of illegal immigration. all though the government has managed to erect a total of 93 miles of new fencing, nearly all of it updates or replaces existing barriers. still the administration is pressing forward with what seems like desperation to build up to 500 miles of new wall by the end of 2020 which means the wall will probably once again be a major campaign issue in the

coming year. joining us now, julia ainslie. julia has covered the border closely for us for the last several years. julia area this has become a political tool, it's been a chant at the president's rallies for years. the question is, will there ever actually be any any new wall along the border as the president promised? >> that's a good question because it's a tangible promise and something that's so toes hold the president accountable to. and peter rightly persisted and got the answer to, there have been no new miles of border wall where no wall existed before. and that's for a number of reasons. one, we knee that theow that th recent court ruling that said they could not use defense department money to go ahead and build this border wall. they also have run into a number of issues with eminent domain. they're trying to seize land. now, one strategy that we understand the government will be using in those court battles over eminent domain, they're going to try to argue this is a

national emergency. basically what that would mean is it's billed now, decide on the price of the land later. that's something that landowners texas are upset about. it's land that's been in their family sometimes for hundreds of years. most of the land where they want to build in texas is privately owned. and then as my colleague courtney kube and i just reported in the last couple weeks, they've begun investigations into the contracts that went out for border wall construction. there's a company called fisher sand and gravel out of north dakota that the president has personally touted for. and officials i spoke to said that they had to sit down with the president, say mr. president, you cannot pick a winner when it comes to the procurement process. we need to look at who is the best qualified for this and there are a lot of questions about whether or not fisher sand anderson gravel is qualified to build this wall and whether or not there was outside influence in the process that led to them becoming the winner. >> hey, anne, it's jonathan lemire. as one of trump's advisers put to me once, the president likes

the idea of the wall as almost as he's likes to fight about the wall. and my question to you, he's talking about this all year next year too. it's going to be a key issue in his re-election, the border wall, not saying he's building it but the democrats have tried to oppose it. what are you hearing in terms of how much of a role is that going to play in 2020 whn it was the wall was sort of his signature issue in 2016, there's a lot on his plate now. but don't you think that the wall and immigration, what are you hearing, is going to play a key part to his re-election as well? >> yeah, jonathan, we hear definitely that the wall as a -- as a stand-in for the larger immigration and border issues that are central to the president's re-election campaign will be -- is now and will continue to be a major focus for not only his rallies, but things that he does and says in washington. the president really feels that

despite its many flaws, including that there's no way, there's just absolutely no physical way that they could build 450 miles of new wall before the end of next year, he's going to continue to talk about it. and as julia pointed out, this it gives democrats a very easy mark against him. well here's a thing that he said he was going to do and he hasn't done it. the president flips that and thinks that this is really a perfect issue for him because he can say, look, the democrats don't care about it. i care about it, they won't let me deliver for you. give me more chances to do that. and i will deliver for you. and you've been to those rallies. you know what a huge, huge issue it is. it's a galvanizing issue within the base, but really at those rallies that provide the television footage and really provide the energy for the president he's goes into a

full-on re-election mode this year. >> i think it's fair to wonder, susan, why many people in the crowd aren't asking when they chant back where is the wall? you've been promising this for four years, where's the wall we've been chanting about. >> it's interesting because i remember when you would interview people at those rallies, they didn't think he would really build the wall, they just liked the concept behind it. and, julia, talking about a concept behind it, you know, one of the things that's recently come up, there's still scores of lawsuits from the george bush administration that are for eminent domain purposes. so it seems that the administration, the officials in the administration, are trying to tackle these problems, but the president is completely unaware of them or just wants them to do some kind of magic trick. can you get into a little bit of the issues that these officials are facing? >> you're absolutely right. i spoke to a lawyer who's representing a client in the rio grande valley of texas, the very area where the trump administration said that they're

breaking ground and they want to build what are actually new miles of wall. and this lawyer's representing a client who has a case from 2008 at the end of the bush administration. that's over ten years ago now. and so these cases can get very drawn out, very tenuous in court, especially if this is a large landowner or rancher in texas that has the means to pay the legal fees and says, no, i'm not giving up this land so easily. other people aren't as lucky. they don't have the means to pay lawyers and hold on to that. but there are a number of pro bono lawyers. i've spoken to people from the texas civil rights project, people who are going in to represent these people who have had this land in their family for years who honestly didn't expect their land to be on the track of the border wall but have now been told that they're going to have this erected. what i think a lot of this will hinge on is whether or not courts will go with the administration strategy when they argue that say that national emergency and that that is the reason why they have to

build now and work out the price of the land later. they're going to argue that they could go ahead and start building. but as we've already seen, especially in the decision to say that the trump administration can't use defense department money, it's that not april argument a lot of judges are buying. >> julia ainslie who's done a phenomenal job covering the border in 2019, thanks so much great to see you. before we go to break, jonathan lemire, warren sap is watching at home he's often does. he's chimed in that, yes, diehard is in fact the best christmas movie. confirmation on that. >> i think that's -- warren sap, he's an authority on this, terrific player and he's right on the movie. >> warren's not here so he can't attack me, but warren's wrong. >> no, no, warren's never wrong, mike barnicle, and you'll hear from him shortly. coming up on "morning joe," we continue our theme of conservatives giving democrats advice. george will has a warning for democrats in his new koul

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"the washington post" columnist george will has a new warning to 2020 democrats. in his latest op-ed entitled democrats denial on health care may produce trump's re-election. in it george writes this. as this shabby year with it a dispiriting decade sags to ab end, there is an interesting symmetry. in 2010, passage of the affordable care act had a preoccupation, health care. this year they are defining the political competition that will produce the first new presidency of this country's third decade. in 2019, the democratic presidential candidates debates about health care as in 2020. if trump succeeds, he might owe his tattered success to the other party's combination ignorance and arrogance regarding health care.

in nine 93 as bill clinton's administration arrived promising a rude and branch making of a health care sector less complex than today's, they were warning about an insistent upon ignorance. the great strength of political sn could be servetives at this time and for a generation is they are open to the thought that matters complex. liberals have gotten into a reflexive pattern of denying. it breeds political recklessness among deniers and despair among people who know things. next year with the most complex problem returner most in many voters' minds, denial might pro dr produce a president's re-election. let's take his larger point about health care, the medicare for all debate and what it may mean in 2020. do you believe that is a problem

for bernie sanders or elizabeth warren as he or she pursue the presidency? >> yes, i do and i believe it'sa it's a problem for the republicans. one of the things i do when i teach at tulane i to do what george just said, explain that things are more complex. when you dig into facts yore complex phi issu complexfi the issues. that leads to us saying say let's not be purely ideological. because a remaking of this huge part of our economy done on partisan lines based on ignoring complexity wasn't good when democrats tried it, wouldn't be good if republicans did. so we have to have an approach that says, let's be a little bit humble by complexity. all the things you've got to teach about any issue, especially when you're teaching

students have understand the complex sit ties. when it comes to health care for me at least, it means we could feel our way out of this by a step by step approach that gives more and more people a public option, the right to buy into medicare, and medicaid. see where that leads. maybe that leads to a system that's maybe mainly government funded. but you don't need to do it root and branch. you can allow people more and more of a public option and be careful as we go down a path and hopefully go down the path while listening to people on both sides. bill cassidy, our senator here in louisiana, say republican but i think he's trying to be thoughtful about this. >> you know, rev, far from the halls of congress there are people who are concerned about health care and three of the things that concern them are the cost of health care, access to health care, and the uncertainty of getting good health care. and when you walk around, you

find out that a lot of people, wlfr th whenever they go to a hospital or doctor, one of the unfortunate aspects of american health care is nobody ever asks the cost of anything from a flu shot to a -- nobody ever goes in and says how much is this going to cost me? >> right. because people are not trying to bargain with their health, they're trying to stabilize their health and have the proper health care. i think the fact is that the three things you named absolutely are on point. i think that people expect the leadership that they elect to figure out these complexities, that's why we elected you. yes, the more you dig the more complex it may get. that's why we elected you. but address those complexities and make sure you deliver for me. otherwise, why should i pay you any attention let alone give you supports and votes. that's the challenge i think the democrats have in this area, which is a priority area in 2020. >> when we're talking about health care earlier, susan, we

talked about how some americans don't want to give up health care and they are happy with it. senator sanders disputed that. the one part of the contract are union members who have negotiated this, they've earned this health care and they seem reluctant to give it up at unions have been a backbone of the democratic party. how do they navigate that going forward and figure out that balance? >> i think that's also what's appealing to joe biden, he's strong with labor. but the other -- and the other thing just to play off of that is right now most americans say my health care has a problem with it, i want it fixed. donald trump has done nothing to it. the democrats have a great line of attack if they wanted to go after donald trump for doing nothing to improve your health care. in fact, he is in court trying to take away your preexisting conditions and keep your children on your health care plane plan until your 27.

but it's hard for the democrats to pivot to that if they're trying to take away -- if some of them are trying to take health care away from 60 million people. that's going to be a tough sell. so i think politically it's -- health care could be a great issue for the democrats should they have something that they can go after the president instead of having to defend. >> you know, willie, one of the big things, and this conversationen capsulat conversationen encapsulates them. you go to the doctor and he says get an mri. you get mri and later you find out that your insurance doesn't cover the mri. >> and it's in that moment you're getting the mri. >> but you get a surprise bill for about 2,300 bucks three weeks later. >> this sounds like a specific claim to the man who's delivering it. had some achilles problems lately. >> ann, as you listen to this conversation it's like sometimes

people have forgotten how big a lift and how big a fight the affordable care act was a decade ago, and that wasn't a complete overhaul of the health care system as medicare for all is proposing. but if bernie sanders or elizabeth warren is elected president, the lift in the senate, the lift in congress is going to be monumental. >> yeah, i mean, just talk to anybody who tried to get it done in president obama's first term. talk to those who tried to get it done under bill clinton. it's a monumental task. and each time there is going to be a mandate -- democrats are elected on a mandate to overhaul it, tends up being chipping away. you know, the root and branch terminology we've used here usually ends up being somebody's hacking off a branch here and there and digging up a sapling.

it's just not -- hef e we have had the find of fundamental overhaul that elizabeth warren started talking about and bernie sanders certainly campaigned on last time and is still campaigning on this time. i'm not really fully sure where warren is right now on the extent of that overhaul, but it certainly is something that she campaigns on heavily as a goal. we just don't know how far she would go. she's in the senate, you know. so is sanders. they know from first hand experience how difficult that would be. and yet they also know that it's a huge priority not only for working class voters to whom they address many of those hopes that we could overhaul the system, but to more affluent democrats who think that the system is broken and they're paying too much for their achilles tendon and everything else. >> call back to mike barnicle's

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there is news this morning on a case we followed very closely here on "morning joe" involving retired navy seal eddie gallagher. nbc news senior national correspondent kate snow is here with that. good morning. good morning. this is a case the president has been involved in. this past summer gallagher was acquitted of shooting civilians and killing a captive isis fighter. this morning navy interviews have been obtained with the seal members who accused gallagher of misconduct in the first place. up until now they were quoted in

trial. we want to warn you what you are about to see is disturbing. >> i saw eddie take a shot at probably a 12-year-old kid. >> this morning tapes never before seen in public, members of navy seal team seven speaking on camera with military investigators in the spring of 2018 about their platoon leader, eddie gallagher. >> the guy got crazier and crazier. >> the video is part of a trophy of information obtained exclusively by "the weekly." >> you could tell he was perfectly okay with killing anybody. >> one after another the platoon members come in and paint a picture of a platoon leader who has gone totally rogue. they say he was killing people just to kill them, men, women, children, it didn't matter. >> the guy was toxic. you can't let this continue. >> "the times" reviewed hundreds of text messages they say were sent by gallagher, disparaging the seals who reported him. >> he is repeatedly reaching out to other seals, telling them about the investigation and how angry he is and he wants to spread the names of his accusers

to make sure people know, you know, in the hopes they will be black list by other seals. >> helmet camera video obtained by "the weekly" never seen outside of a courtroom shows the isis fighter prosecutors accused gallagher of murdering. gallagher is seen with a medic bag pushing him and then the camera goes black. it is not clear why. >> he said he stabbed him one time, multiple times. >> in 2018, seal team member corey scott told investigators he saw gallagher stab the isis fighter multiple times. >> probably two or three times. >> okay. >> it was just like a stab, about right here, just in a few times. >> is there any possible way that what he was doing could be interpreted as for medical purposes to help this guy? >> no. >> there was no way this was anything other than to attack and to kill this person? >> no. >> but scott changed his story at gallagher's trial and said he

was the one who killed the fighter. >> did you suffocate him? >> yes. >> eddie gallagher was convicted of posing for a photo with the corpse. he was found not gilluilty of murder and attempted murder and long proclaimed his innocence. >> there's a couple of members of the platoon who had personal animosity towards eddie gallagher. they didn't perform well in combat, they were afraid of being call out for being cowards, they made up a story and went with it. >> overnight gallagher's attorney calling their accounts unsupported and fake. >> if there was a problem with chief gallagher's mental state they would have examined him, they would have found that. there's not. >> in november president trump ordered the pentagon not to strip gallagher of his rank and trident pin. the navy secretary was fired for his handling of the case. the president publicly showing support for the navy seal. >> he was a great fighter. he was one of the ultimate fighters. a tough guy. >> just this weekend gallagher posting photos, meeting

president trump for the first time at mar-a-lago. the navy seals and an attorney for corey scott are not commenting. nbc news has not spoken with any of the individual seals shown in those taped interviews, but "the new york times" has reached out to every single one of them. they all declined to comment in print and on camera. gallagher's lawyers tell us that he plans to file a lawsuit, guys, against "the weekly" and "the new york times" reporter. >> you mentioned "the weekly" reviewed the text messages sent by gallagher, but they weren't the only ones they found. >> yes, they had hundreds and hundreds of text messages, also texts on group chats in between the seals that reported gallagher. one i will quote for you. we are gonna answer to a higher power some day, and everything happens for a reason. not compromising our integrity and keeping right on our side is all we can do, is what one seal team member wrote to others. gallagher's attorney says those text messages show that they were coordinating their stories. >> yes. mike, this obviously the

president's intervention in this, is highly unusual. he stepped in and we saw, as kate, showed, the photographs of eddie gallagher visiting the president in mar-a-lago in the past few days. >> the president's action was a serious and damaging insert into the military justice system, and i know, having spoken to several people in the pentagon, that they are upset about it. but there hasn't been much feedback since then. >> but it did, it irritated and really worried a number of defense department leaders and members of the rank and file military who felt this was, you know, sort of an unprecedented intervention by the president. and for someone who obviously his own members, gallagher's own members of his own platoon we saw spoke out against it. the president has decided this is one of the areas sort of like presidential pardons he feels he can wade in when he wants. >> by the way, the full episode of "the weekly" from "the new york times" available on haul u if you want to hear more about

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did you see that video of prime minister trudeau talking about you last night? >> well, he's two-faced.

>> do you think that germany is too naive -- >> and honestly, trudeau, he is a nice guy. i find him to be a very nice guy, but the truth is i called him out on the fact that he's not paying 2% and i guess he's not very happy about it. >> president trump clearly was very unhappy with canada's prime minister at the nato summit earlier this month. now he is blaming justin trudeau after trump's cameo was cut from the canadian airing of "home alone 2" i'm not making this up. we will get to the faux outrage surrounding that important story ahead. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, december 27. i'm willie geist. we have mng contributor mike barnacle, white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire, political strategist and analyst susan del percio, host of politics nation and president of the national action network reverend al sharp ton and nbc correspondent with us in washington, heidi

przybyla. good morning to you all. i always say the friday between christmas and new year's you learn who your real friends are, they show up for you that day. you are all here. i want to start with you. you had a big christmas, feeding a local of people on the holidays. >> 28 years with the national action network, at our headquarters. we feed homeless and the seniors who don't have family. this year our special guest was phil griffin, the president of msnbc, him and cory came. they came and said we'll do about half an hour. they ended up staying two-and-a-half hours and people loved that the president of msnbc spent christmas day with them along with 2,000 people, elected officials. christmas should be about what you give, not what you get. the thing i really appreciated about phil coming is we talk about a lot of people that we never go and see and live and be among them. >> yeah. >> i think all media, national

tv presidents ought to go into different communities and get a feel for the people they're talking to and talking about. that's what phil did on christmas day with us. >> and phil does that, and we know cory is the real driver behind everything, his wife. >> i told them up town that the real juice phil has is that he is corrie's husband. she has the real juice. >> that's true. we have news to tell you about. president trump continues to speak about impeachment while on vacation at mar-a-lago, retweeted the day after christmas 35 times, attacking democrats, house speaker nancy pelosi and the district she represents. in one post the president claimed, quote, the radical left do-nothing democrats said they wanted to rush everything through to the is it because president trump is a threat to national ku national security. they are vicious, will say anything. now they don't want to go fast anymore. they want to go very slowly. liars, wrote the president. he also tweeted this. despite all of the great success our country had over the last three years, it makes it much

more difficult to deal with foreign leaders and others when i'm having to constantly defend myself against the do-nothing democrats and their bogus impeachment scam. bad for usa. and on pelosi's home state of california, the president wrote, california leads the nation by far in both the number of homeless people and the percentage increase in the homeless population, two terrible stats. crazy nancy should focus on that in her very down district, helping her incompetent governor with the big homeless problem. we have seen a lot of this over the last week since the president was impeached, jonathan lemire. expect to see much more of this as he fills the space between the house and the senate trial. >> that's right. his tweeting has really picked up in terms of pace and he certainly didn't take time off for the holidays. i mean he is at mar-a-lago now for more than two weeks. he's not slated to come back to washington until sunday, january 5th, which is the day before theoretically things could get started in the senate, although of course there's some uncertainty there depending on when the house speaker transmits the articles of impeachment. for as long as he has been president, people around him get

nervous when he goes on vacation because he has a lot of free an unstructured time. as much as he enjoys seeing members of his club and he spends virtually every day on the golf course, though i think he took christmas off, he has a lot of unstructured time without much access to aides and he has a lot of access to cable television and to his phone and he tweets. we are seeing him really lean in on the attacks on the house speaker, but also trying to rev up the cultural war, making this divide, making impeachment not as a referendum on his conduct as president but rather about claiming it is the democrats trying to not just undo the 2016 election, but it is their hatred, in his words, of not just himself but his base. trying to very much pit us versus them and he is leaning on that going into the 2020 election, believing he can use impeachment as, again, we expect him to be acquitted in the senate when it goes to a trial there, using it as a wedge issue to excite his base into the reelection. >> heidi, as you talked to people around capitol hill through the holidays, is there any scepticism or second thought

about speaker pelosi's strategy here, which is to hold on to the articles of impeachment at least through the holidays and maybe further until she can get some rules that she likes out of the senate? obviously the president is seizing on that. how is that strategy playing out for her? >> well, you know he would seize on it and try to misstate what the real intention is of withholding the articles. the president is arguing that she's withholding them because, in fact, their case is weak when, in fact, the reason why she is withholding them is because she wants to highlight the fact that he is the one who is blocking the key witnesses from testifying. and those who are close to her, willie, tell me that this will not be forever, that this is not a hold, this is a temporary pause, and that the end game here is to get fair rules. but even if she does not get what the democrats consider to be fair rules, which is having witnesses testify in what is supposed to be a trial, that at a minimum she can raise public awareness about the fact that

the president is blocking these key witnesses. right now at least looking at the polls, if you want to kroo them as a data point, willie, 70% of americans agree that these witnesses, these top aides should tough. so for at least right now, withholding these towards the service of raising public awareness about the fact that these aides are being blocked is a good move on her part. but can she do that forever? no. when we come back from the holidays we will get a sense of how many of the vulnerable republicans may be willing to raise their hands and say, "hey, this is not right, we should hear from the witnesses the president is blocking." >> you know, susan, despite the conversation for the past few minutes and in some respects people in our industry talk about this a lot, the tweets, the behavior, you know, the impeachment process. but i have been struck for several months now -- i don't know whether you will agree with me or not -- out there in this

large country that we live in, there's basically a shrug of the shoulders among ordinary people about all of this, about -- certainly about the tweets and even about impeachment despite how serious it is. >> yeah, and that's true. i mean they look at the president right now almost like a child home alone. >> oh, no. >> oh! >> nicely done. >> but what they really are starting to worry about is or what they've been concerned about is what is happening in my life, what is happening in my community. these tweets, the talk of impeachment, it seems like it is going over and over and over again, didn't we do this when the mueller report came out. if he's not going to be thrown out of office, why are we doing this to begin with. that shouldn't take away from the importance of what the house and the senate are about to do because it is very significant. let's not forget, the president basically meddled in the 2020 election and he should be held accountable for that. but what people need to hear or

want to hear looking towards 2020 is what is going on in my world, and one of the things that they are noticing is the economy is still going well. that's one of the main drivers for donald trump's reelection, and unless we start seeing something to really define the difference from the democrats and where this president is doing strong, not just on character issues, i think the president is in a good position for reelection. >> yeah, rev, let's take the big picture look at this because it is, again, anecdotal, like mike was talking about through the holidays but a lot of people, progressives who don't like donald trump even have turned the corner and said, let's find a candidate in 2020 that can beat him. whatever is happening with nancy pelosi transmitting the articles to the senate, i think a lot of progressives and democrats have accepted he won't be convicted even when he gets to a trial, and have gotten to a place, we're coming around the corner to a new year, let's find that candidate who will beat donald trump and that's how you remove

him from office. >> you know, i'm sensing a lot of progressives -- and i consider myself that -- and others are saying that we've got to really come to a consensus candidate. consensus in terms of those left of center and those even that are centrist, to win, because the purist test is what led to donald trump in the first place and you can't repeat the same mistakes. and when we look at that, i think that the argument around the impeachment has been messaged wrong. it is not about trump. it is about saving the principles the country is built on. and in effect, if mitch mcconnell does what he says, he is really acquiescing the legislative branch as a co-equal power to the executive branch. from now on the executive branch can dictate whether we're going to answer subpoenas, documents, witnesses, we'll do what we want, we're above the legislative. that's how they ought to be selling this to the public, but that's another question from the election, as i agree with susan. the election is about me, my house, food on my table, my

kids' tuition. if they can't address that, they're going to miss everybody up in wonderland somewhere in politics. >> how hopeful is it to be talking about a purist test on fundraising among the democrats? isn't that the conversation -- >> who cares if he had a fundraiser in a wine cave or a bat cave? i mean we live in homes. we live in apartments. that's what we want to hear about. >> bruce wayne is a billionaire, so that would be an issue for some democrats. >> exactly. >> you know, the point susan raised is striking to a lot of people, not just people in the news business. the just flouting the idea that you got a subpoena and you can throw it in the waste basket. >> right. >> that you don't have to answer it. >> right. >> the president of the united states, you got subpoenaed by, you know, congress or whatever, forget it. you know, forget them. it is stunning. >> it is. and that has been their strategy from the beginning with the house investigations prior to impeachment and now this. one wonders about the precedent it sets going forward.

the democrats are forging forward regardless. they feel like they need to. they're concerned about the timing in terms of the election on the horizon. they don't want things tied up in the courts for months still, but going forward, like, this is a troubling precedent. this is also a president most people point out could very well win reelection and is going to have perhaps in his mind defied the conventions here, defied the rule of law, gets re-elected and then it is completely unfettered going forward. >> heidi, it is important to point out as the president protests in these tweets that the process isn't fair, that he can't call the witnesses he wants to call, as jonathan said it has been the explicit strategy written in a letter by the white house counsel that they would not participate in the process, rudy giuliani is not going to participate in the process, you're not getting the documents or witnesses and it has worked for them. >> that was the beginning of the basis for the second article of impeachment on obstruction when

the letter was sent and said, no, congress, you don't have a congressional right -- hint, they do -- to perform any oversight and we will not cooperate with this at all. so i quibble a little bit with the statement that the american people don't care about this and, of course, they care first and foremost about kitchen table issues, but i hear from a lot. i think you have to separate out people who are getting disinformation such as ukraine interfered, which is something like 44% of "fox news" viewers, from people who are getting actual information about what the president is alleged to have done here, about what mick mulvaney admitted to on camera. there i think there is a certain intensity among democrats that there should at a minimum be a fair trial where you hear from the people who were at the center of this, that there be at least some accountability and some airing of truth even if in the end republicans vote to

acquit, that if there is not that process that that intensity number could be something that we watch as the whole country does move forward on discussing kitchen table issues for the next nine months. i don't think this is something that democrats are going to forget about if there is a week-long or two-week-long trial where you don't hear from witnesses. >> i think we're making two points and both can be true at the same time. one is that, yes, obviously democrats and progressives are upset about what the president did. they're glad he got impeached. they think there should be a fair trial moving forward, but they're also turning the corner and making sure they're in a good position for 2020. >> and i don't think any of the candidates would argue that that's an important point, and i agree with heidi that it is an important point with many voters. but i think voters really that are struggling, which a lot of the base -- which is a lot of the base of the democratic party -- are really trying to deal with kitchen table issues. that's what we've got to

address, particularly while you have a president that's bragging about the economy. >> yes. >> right now we cannot say with any comfort that donald trump would not be re-elected. that should make us uncomfortable. >> you know, there's a third point that might actually be the most important point, and it is hard to talk about because it is hard to define but it is this. in 2016 this country was attacked by a sworn enemy of the united states, russia. >> yep. >> they subverted our electoral process. they are doing it today as we speak, and i am not one of these guys with a big library in my head of things that were said by public people, but i don't think the president of the united states has ever specifically addressed what we're doing to counter this attack that is ongoing right now. so we have a country, our country still under attack by a sworn enemy and i have yet really to hear the president of the united states say, "hey,

this is what we're going to do." >> it is interesting jonathan la mean lamire is sitting next to you because i remember a question asked in helsinki to the president about stopping the interference in the election. >> and he chose not to. he has had other occasions since, perhaps helsinki was the chance because he was standing next to putin but he has been given the chance ant d he won'to it. some parts of the federal government tried to mobilize to make things safer next time around, but most feel the country is not prepared for what is coming. it might not just be russia, though they're the worst, but there could be other bad actors as well. this is a president focused on making sure his 2016 election is not seen as legitimate, therefore he won't take steps to safeguard next time around. >> still on "morning joe," why is the president of the united

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excuse me. where is the lobby? >> down the hall and to the left. >> thanks. >> there you go. that's the extent of donald trump's cameo in the 1992 hit "home alone 2", a christmas classic that has somehow become a scandal. if you tuned out for a couple of days, i swear it is not the onion, it is real life. viewers watching the film on canadian television this holiday season missed the cameo as the seven-second scene is part of eight minute trimmed from the movie by the canadian broadcasting corporation to allow for commercial time. this happens all the time when rebroadcasting on tv. while the edits were made in 2014 when it acquired the broadcast rights for the film, the move recently sparked fake outrage among the president's supporters who view the omission

as politically motivated. trump yesterday jokingly responded to the cbc for editing his cameo, blaming canadian prime minister justin trudeau. he tweeted, i guess justin t. doesn't like my making him pay up on nato or trade. in a second tweet the president wrote, the movie will never be the same. just kidding. meanwhile, the president's oldest son donald trump jr. tweeted an article that called the edit pathetic. john tha jonathan lemire, you drew the short straw so i'll ask you about this. what will we say about this idiotic story? there are people writing on television and online pretending to be outraged about this. the cbc says they took the scene out in 2014 well before donald trump was running for president for commercial time, et cetera. it is a common thing that happens but somehow in a slow christmas week it has been turned into a political story. >> first of all "home alone 2"

not nearly as good as the original version. >> not even close. >> the original "home alone" is a classic, watched with the kids. >> had to make the sequel, made a lot of money the first time, i get it. second one did well. >> printed money, faded a little bit. yeah, this is the latest in a long series of pretend outrages. it seems like the president himself, at least last night, had a good sense of humor about it. we will see if he decides to weigh in again down the road, but those are out including his oldest son see it as another moment to try to bash an ally or to sort of pit us versus them, or to try to score cheap political point or to try to drive the news cycle. mccauley caulkin is the innocent bystander. he had a nice comeback, by the way. >> he has. >> let's talk about succession here instead of "home alone," that would be great. in fact, i have a tee shirt for

christmas. >> you did? >> yeah. >> we'll have a conversation, rev. >> we will see what happens next. here is the thing. i suspect it will not be the last we hear of the "home alone 2" controversy, that's my prediction. >> to follow up, seriously, you have been to mar-a-lago with him. how does he spin out that way? i mean does he have people that, you know, they'll see that story so they'll see him this morning and maybe they'll just spin him all up? >> sure. whether he perhaps will see it on television himself or he'll be on the golf course or working the dining room and he'll encounter, rev, he will encounter people who put ideas in his head. people around him, his aides in the white house are anxious when he starts a long stretch, whether at bedminster or mar-a-lago because they have less ability to manage what he sees and hear. >> don't under estimate donald trump. he understands the culture. he knows if he can get you talking about "home alone 2" more americans will deal with that than they will the fine elements of the health care bill.

so as one that understands our culture, he knows it is a great distraction and he'll -- he knows how to plug in more than most politicians, into talking to the american culture, which is how he's used that culture in a distorted way to become successful as president. you have to remember, he never ran for office before president because he read that the under belly in the country we haven't dealt with, and he read it well. they can throw all of the things they want at him, he will say, "home alone" will ring in american culture. he knows what to pick and zone in on. >> we have heard the term teflon joe to describe john dickerse be race. we have the story next on "morning joe." e the story next "morning joe."

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to win the party's nomination. "politico" reporting over the past few weeks democratic officials, political operatives and pundits, have reconsidered sanders' chances in 2020. they point to senator elizabeth warren's recent slide in the polls as well as senator sanders enduring the ups and downs of the primary race including a bounceback after a heart attack in october while other candidates dropped out or are polling in single digits. the "politico" piece points to the recent cnn/ssrs rating showing he has the highest poll rating of any democratic presidential candidate. "the new york times" is out with a story pointing out until less than six weeks when voting begins sanders sits at the top of the polls in iowa and other voting states. his supporters' loyalty made him a contender with almost 60% of likely iowa democratic caucus goers saying their support for the vermont senator is locked in according to the latest des

moines register poll. 15% of support must be received at a caucus site in order to collect the site's share of delegates. mike barnacle, i turn to you as someone that watched a lot of the presidential races. when these polls come up seemingly every morning, and we might talk about mayor pete's rise or how joe biden has stabilized, bernie sanders every time. we talk about durability in joe biden. how about bernie sanders, hangs out in the second slot around where joe biden is and increasingly distancing himself from elizabeth warren. >> in addition to the word durability, under line it next to bernie sanders, you can underline consistency and underline predictability and loyalty. all of his followers, they have been with him for many, many years. they didn't sort of jump on the sanders' train a few months ago, they had been with him for many, many years, even prior to his announced run for the presidency. the survival factor here,

including the heart attack, is absolutely amazing when you think about it. that plus the fact that you've seen pictures of him with a baseball bat, he has a pretty good swing for a guy his age. a little top-handed heavy. >> sure. >> probably not a pole hitter. >> that's all right. >> but really good. >> also can shoot a midrange jumper. don't sleep on his basketball game. heidi, let me read you a poll circulating yesterday that was kind of stunning. gabe debenedetti from "new york" magazine. the "real clear politics" average on december 19th, 2018 had joe biden at 27.5, sanders at 19% support. exactly one year later, december 19th, 2019, joe biden, 27.8 and bernie sanders has 19.3. so for all of the ups and downs of this race over the course of a year, there they stand, the two at the top, exactly where they were a year ago. >> yes. first of all, willie, you guys never came to me on "home

alone". i can't believe that you guys wouldn't believe justin trudeau would be on the phone with the night editor at the canadian broadcasting company the night before christmas saying, cut donald trump. >> very hands on, yes. >> yes, that's very disingenuous of you. on bernie, he has remained very resilient. it is a reflection of the fact his followers are very loyal, it is a reflection of the fact elizabeth warren has stumbled and it is a portion of the vote that may consolidate around bernie, but it is also a reflection of the fact he hasn't come under the same type of withering scrutiny and criticism some of the other candidates have like joe biden and elizabeth warren. the next thing i will be watching for is whether the gloves do come off with bernie sanders on his record of accomplishment in the senate. because while he has been consistent over a lifetime on his issues, and that's why his

supporters love him and view him as very genuine, at the same time the reality is because of the way the senate operates and the fact there's unlikely to be a huge blowout that massively shifts the balance of power even if democrats gain control, it will make it very hard for him to get some of his marquee promises through the senate. so let's see if he comes under that type of criticism from joe biden asking him, hey, bernie, i served with you in the senate, which one of these things that you have been pushing for for 20, 30 years have you actually gotten through the senate. that is where that line of attack will come if we see it, and that will definitely happen if these numbers continue to consolidate because, you know, joe biden's big concern is that he loses iowa, then he almost certainly has a real tough time getting new hampshire. so can he regain his footing in south carolina, a full frontal

attack on bernie if he is the guy with momentum at that point will be they. >> rev, it is an interesting point heidi makes about the promises bernie sanders has made because most people traced elizabeth warren's dip in the polls back to the moment she presented her medicare for all plan, how much it would cost and who would pay for it and that has come together. bernie sanders made the same promise, he is the author of the medicare for all bill, and yet there he sits and he doesn't dip as the campaign moves along. >> as you look at the candidates -- and i have been to every debate -- bernie sanders is the one candidate on the stage more than anyone else that people are supporting him because they believe in what he believes in. he's not running as a politician. he is running as one leading a movement, and he says that. i think that that is why he will remain in the top three and that is why he is winning, because people are voting for what they believe in. later this morning at 11:00, i

have reverend jesse jackson coming down to headquarters, he is launching a new book, "keeping hope alive." we supported bernie sanders in the '80s because we believed what he was saying. when people come with a scorecard of candidate's work and it passed or not, it is should it pass. we don't know if he will get it through, but we know we want it through. that's different than the people trying to measure everything by can i get passed this. you have one that -- james mcgregor burns wrote a book "leadership." you have transactional leaders and transformative leaders. bernie ran a transformative campaign. >> he ran a very well financed campaign. that's the other thing we will see come up. to follow up on what mike said earlier, he has consistency with his people but also with his finance. i think the potential is if he doesn't make it all the way through and become the nominee, we saw it in 2016, it took a lot to get his supporters to even

softly support hillary clinton. his supporters will not go away this time. i think they will stay with him even if he's at 25, 30. >> they believe in him. >> yeah. >> it is very hard, bottom line, it is very hard during a campaign, during a primary campaign as we are witnessing down, during a debate as we're witnessing too many of them now, to turn and attack bernie sanders on any one of his proposals and say, "senator sanders, that proposal that you are making about health care or anything else is going to cause you to have to raise taxes on the middle class," and bernie sanders will say, "absolutely." how do you attack that? >> that's right. where elizabeth warren said, no, i won't have to raise taxes and people are not buying that. still to come on "morning joe," a turn away from politics for a look at pop music. how and why songs actually work and why our next guests say "call me maybe" is the greatest pop song ever. that important debate next on "morning joe." ♪ and this is crazy ♪ but here's my number

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♪ i'm telling you ♪ i'm telling you ♪ we are never, ever ♪ getting back together >> from taylor swift to lizzo to that annual inescapable song of the summer, everyone has an opinion on pop music. but whether you love it or hate it, our next guests say the genre is important to your life no matter who you are. joining us, the host of the popular music podcast "switched on pop," assistant professor in musicology at the university of southern california, nate slone, and songwriter/producer charlie harding. they are co-authors of the new book, "switched on pop." >> nate, let's begin with you. >> sure. >> talk about the impact popular music has on culture, and can you start -- >> and why it matters.

>> obviously elvis, the emergence of elvis and then the beatle seven, eight years later created, a lot of people say, youth culture in america. >> yes. >> does it still have the impact that it has today, music itself, or are we so diverse, so scattered that music now just plays a minor role? >> i think music still plays a major role in our society. i think you could look at perhaps an artist like beyoncé might be a good example. she's a polarizing figure in many ways, but she's certainly someone who has relevance to a lot of people, and that's not just because of her image and her politics. that's because of her music. it reaches people, and what we try and do on our podcast is understand how the actual musical elements of a song connect with people, that there's something in the structure, the composition of a song that really connects and makes it stick. >> charlie, let's talk about that stickiness. it is hard to break it down to a

formula, though there are some songwriters and producers who are pretty good at breaking it down to something close to a formula. what makes a song stick out more? what makes a song a hit? what makes a taylor taylor swift single what it is? >> making a hit is not an easy thing to do. we like to say that if you are only listening to the lyrics of a song, you are only hearing half of the song and it is only half of what makes it great. you have to also listen to the music. i think a great hit has a perfect combination of rhythm, harmony, melody, it has to be the right song form and it has to have the right textures, what we call tambor in music. if you get those just right and they match the lyric in the right way, something like beyoncé's "love on top" where the music literally elevates every single time she says "i'm going to put my love on top" it modulates up a key five times so she hit it is highest register of her voice. you get that marriage between lyrics and the music and you get

a hit. >> let's talk about somebody that has just emerged, and regardless of your age, regardless of what style of music you like, what genre you like the best, you hear lizzo and you understand -- >> my girls love her. >> -- that there are elements in lizzo that my 16-year-old daughter and i can listen to and both can identify something. >> yeah. >> that it is new, but there's some old school magic in the producing as well. >> yes. we are huge fans of lizzo. she was a guest on our podcast and it was an unforgettable experience. i think what you are talking about is so accurate, she's exciting because she blends kind of new and old elements of pop music. you can hear that on a song like "cuz i love you." which in many ways is a throwback to the 191960's areth franklin soul sound but it has modern elements of drums

contrived from contrary hip-hop. she takes something new and old and puts it together and it can be a multi-generation alliceening experience. >> charlie, talking about the elements of a hip pop song. let's take "truth hurts" lizzo's monster hit which is undeniable. give you my age or my 12-year-old daughter's age, it comes on in the car and you can't help yourself. >> sure. >> does lizzo and her producer sit down and say here are the elements of a hit, let's make a hit or a good song? >> no, it is definitely make a good song. so many of the great songwriters can put together a hit in 15, 20 minutes. there's a great adage where she is asked about, hey, you wrote that song in 20 minutes, how did you do it? she said, it took me 15 years to write a song that quickly. it is that intuitive experience that makes its way into the song. we spoke with lizzo about "truth

hurts" and we noted she has a reference to a star, sister nancy, way back, and she was like, my gosh, i didn't recognize it was in there. that's part of her as a musician and comes out through the music. >> that's the moment where she does, bum-bum-bum-da-bum. >> to be clear, that's the sister nancy music. >> i'm glad you talk about music and don't sing yourself, with all due respect. >> no, i liked it. >> keep it in mind for the future. >> i'm glad they like what they do. >> cute. >> i'm glad they like what they do. >> that's adorable. >> mike, it is very interesting. when they were talking about how quickly really good songwriters can write songs, it reminds me that we had peter asher on talking about how he nagged paul mccartney to write the middle eighth, the bridge to "world without love." mccartney said, okay, hold on a second. within five minutes later he said, okay, here you go, and walked out of the house and that was that. he said it was frustrating but

it reminded me, george martin would always say -- because you think the beatles like beethoven were touched by god. when i first heard him, they were okay. about a year later i sat there and thought, okay, it is clicking. now they're starting to get it and peter asher also talks about when he was asked by john and paul to sit down as they both were banging out "i want to hold your hand" and that was the moment peter asher said, "oh, my god, these guys have gone from being a rough band in the cellar in hamburg into becoming world-class songwriters." it is an art, but, man, there is a lot of work that gets you there. >> oh, obviously there's a lot of work getting you there. we just talked about lizzo, she is great, but channel 18 on sirius xm radio is the beatles channel. you turn it on and maybe you haven't heard the song

all together playing out in a string for several years, but you hear them all at once on the radio and go, wow, what incredible music. in going through the book, i was looking at the index and spring steen is in there obviously. >> right. >> his song writing is basically movies set to music, but people like presley aren't mentioned in the book. you can't mention everyone. roy orbison, all of it in the generational hook that exists today among some performers reverts back to maybe arguably, you tell me, the greatest generation of music ever, '65 to '75. >> we definitely wanted to write a book that was incorporating music of the last 20 years, but also to use contemporary songs to dig into the past. paul mccartney is featured in the book and actually is the concluding chapter. but certainly all of these things are in conversation with each other, as we mentioned lizzo going deep into the past with her song as well. so we certainly love that era, but we wanted to write something that would have songs that are

already in people's ear, songs that are happening now and that are -- you can use to pair with the essential musical knowledge that you ought to know. you can already hum the song, then we can teach you about how does melody work. >> does it trike ystrike you --t obviously -- the difficulty of writing a song. we hear them and think it is a great song and everything, but the art of writing a song. >> joe mentioned taylor swift earlier and we think it is a great example of how you can appreciate song writing because i imagine in some people's minds there's an idea that taylor swift could kind of release anything and it would be a hit because she's a popular artist. but when we really studied her music and basically listened to every song she ever wrote, we found some interesting things. like there's a melodic motive you can find in each of her albums. takes three-note descending mode

that goes dah-dah-dah. we call it the t drop. >> did you coin the term? >> yes. >> that's good. >> once you start to hear that throughout her repertoire you realize this is a real composer. i will just say it, it's not dissimilar from bach who would do the same thing, the same melodic motive throughout his work. when you listen closely to the music of someone like sttaylor swift, it is a craft of song writing. >> i think pop stars can be dismissed. but she writes her songs, plays piano and guitar. so there are artist that's can keep their street credit as

musicians and also be pop stars. >> yes, we wanted to look at people that have incredible craft that make songs that inspire us. and in the pop making music process there are so many steps along the way that there are people who are natural melo melodyis melodyists. julia michaels is one of them, she is on songs all over the place where you don't know she is penning it in the background. there are people who are the best performers, and we need to celebrate each stage of the process. pop songs are highly collaborati collaborative. in the 1960s it was you to write it, record it, master it, that is the hong way you have

integri integrity. i think we should think of pop music in the same sort of way. >> you keep coming back to a the g, d, minor, you hear a coming back time and time again. she is turning it into a complete art. you guys could get a song and it is fascinating to me. as a reacher of pitch form, there was a time where i was thinking their reviews were getting a little too snooty, a little too rock snobbish. and i was like wait, i'm about to give up this site. and then their favorite song was "call me maybe." and they talk about her genius,

but man that was a great pop song and you guys agree and you sort of make it the center of this book, what is it about that song that changed so much. >> it is what we consider to be a perfect pop song. she is saint jepson. we were music squads, and that squad is a great example of how

the closer you listen you can appreciate the compositional craft that goes into a fluffy pop song. for instance at the very start of the chorus, you would expect her to say hey, she pauses for a second like she is nerve and anxio anxious. she says hey, i just met you, and she gets synthesize d strings, it's like, it is very suspenseful, you're waiting for the response, the other end of that response, and you just get a musical response. i think his listeners were like plunged into that moment of asking someone out and we don't get the response if is very d

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welcome back, it is time now for final thoughts on a friday morning as go into a new year. >> as we go into the new year i

would like to see the people runs for office, specifically the presidents of the united states, they are as good and openhearted as the american people. >> i think as we go on to 2020, it is here, the fundamentals have not changed that much, and now we're a month out from votes being cast. >> there is no vision for people perishing and opening in 2020, those that will run against trump give people a vision, raise it above the trump mess, and give us a vision as we lead the country forward. >> with less than a week to 2020, i think everyone needs to take a breath, get the rest while you can, 2020 will be a wild ride.

>> thank you, that does it for us, enjoy the weekend we'll see you back here on monday. >> hey there, hello there, i'm in for stephanie ruhle. it is friday, december 22nd, we're following two breaking storying both unfortunately involving aircraft. that's where a plane where a plain killing 98 people crashed. it slammed into a concrete fence and a two-story building, the cause of the crash remains unclear. it is shortly after takeoff and they're investigating pilot error and tech neck kal failure. the u.s. coast guard there is looking for a helicopter that did not return after