her father's home. old vw, the one that allegedly tears on the sidelines as the tigers play for a spot in the carried david's body still national championship. four others on board died in the parked outside. that's all for this edition of "dateline." plane crash. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. ian e. bigs, the pilot, robert vaughan crisp ii. gretchen vincent. michael walker vincent. good morning. i'm garrett haake at msnbc world wdsu's general manager saying we are devastated by the loss of an headquarters in new york. amazing talent. the new orleans saints and it's 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out pelicans issues a statement. west. breaking news. a stabbing attack at a hanukkah carly was a valued member of our celebration north of new york city. new details on manhunt ahead. family as an in-game host. fresh outrage after the our thoughts and prayers go out president's latest twitter to carley's family with this attack retweeting a post naming the alleged whistle-blower. tragic loss. >> as for the four others what will he do? injured, one critically on the another clarification from joe plane, another by stander, biden about what he'll do if subpoenaed for the president's critically injured -- the man on impeachment trial. great expectations. the plane was able to tell his what's in store for people wife, i'm okay. but right now, he's trying to earning minimum wage in 2020. recover in a hospital. garrett, back to you. breaking news overnight. >> sam brock in louisiana for five people injured in an attack us. now to politics this during a hanukkah celebration in morning. former vice president joe biden

new york. is walking back comments he made the victims are members of an about defying a possible ultraorthodox jewish community congressional subpoena in the marking the 7th day of the senate impeachment trial. jewish holiday. hans nichols is in florida with the suspect fled the scene after trying to enter a synagogue and the latest on that. >> former vice president joe was arrested 30 miles away in biden working to clarify if he would honor a senate subpoena in manhattan. here's reaction from a rockland county legislator. any possible impeachment trial >> unfortunately, as an orthodox for president donald trump. vowing to cooperate only with a legitimate or lawful congressional investigation. jew, we were scared but not >> would you comply with the surprised. this is not the first incident subpoena? >> i would honor whatever the in new york. congress, in fact, legitimately >> the suburb has a lorj asked me to do. ultraorthodox population. >> his comments after he would we'll bring you a live report from the scene in the next hour. not submit to a senate subpoena. now to new details on a >> the reason i wouldn't is plane crash in louisiana that because it's all designed to left five dead, including a deal with trump doing what he's daughter-in-law of an lsu football coach on the way to the done his whole life. peach bowl in atlanta. trying to take the focus off the plane went down in flames in him. >> president trump has said he lafayette yesterday. would like biden to testify at nbc's sam brock is at the scene. any trial. sam, what do we know? pointing to unsubstantiated >> reporter: garrett, good claims at the former vice morning. witnesses described hearing a president improperly aided his

boom. they thought it was a car crash. son's dealings in ukraine. when they arrived on scene, they biden took to twitter to clarify found parts of a plane on fire his remarks. >> i have always complied with a and two cars on fire. you can see the debris littered in that parking lot and field. lawful order and cooperated with legitimate congressional an early morning crash with fatal consequences. oversight. this impeachment is about trump's conduct, not mine. >> this ball of flame is all >> when the former vice that remained of a small plane that crashed to the ground in president was pressed on this, lafayette, louisiana. he said we'll cross that bridge killing five and injuring four. when we come to it. the plane diving to the ground just after takeoff around 9:30 biden is clearly preserving his smashing into a field only about a mile from the airport. ability define what's lawful or legitimate. two cars engulfed in flames. >> hans nichols with the the lone survivor of the plane crash is in critical condition. president in west palm beach eyewitness brandon tried to save florida. you just heard the last the life of the surviving piece. on the biden matter, he's been passenger. all over the place. >> when you saw a man trying to first saying he would not respond to a congressional get out, what kind of condition subpoena. now he's walked that back. was in? >> by the time we got to him, he does the back and forth hurt him was out. at this point. but he's 100% burnt from head to >> actually, garrett, biden mentioned that he thought the toe. episode was going to bring news >> they were on the way to the peach bowl.u wiping away and he had -- he knew that

reversing his statements would call for attention and what his campaign has been focusing on was pushing the attention off of him and his son and back on to the president, staying out of the argument, out of the hearing, out of the inquiry. right now the decision to say that he would not and then he would oblige to a subpoena really puts the spotlight back on him and his campaign when they're trying to make sure voters are paying attention to the presidential candidacy that he's running for. >> dave, realistically, what are the chances that biden actually gets called to testify in the impeachment trial? aren't we six steps down the road from that? >> it could be. there's no telling what could happen. joe biden made this point. it's injure cutting the message that he's trying to put out. he's on his no malarkey tour. they have to wonder what is malarkey. this isn't the first time that joe biden has flipflopped or done a 180 on a pretty big major

issue in the news. there was the hyatt amendment dealing with federal funding of abortion and his acceptance of super pac support. he said previously he wouldn't do it. we're not going to know g. until three, four, five, six steps going forward when he's ultimately subpoenaed. it was an untenable position for him to say something like that, especially when donald trump is so criticized for ignoring subpoenas of different sorts. >> katie, the president has been spending a lot of time this weekend thinking about impeachment. he's been tweeting about it. do you see a strategy behind the twitter attacks or is this his holiday airing of grievances? >> when we look at the president's twitter feed, right now during when the holiday season when it's quiet, if there is a strategy, it's to make sure the voters are cued into his side aside from the point that

the articles haven't even moved yet. they haven't carried over to the senate. when that happens, we don't know when a trial will start, voters don't know what will happen before the iowa caucus starts and might coincide with the senate trial. what the president is trying to do is trying to make sure that his days of his voters are paying attention to his side of the story, which is that he is the victim here and that he's a part of a quote-unquote witch hunt by the democrats. >> one tweet is getting a lot of attention. he retweeted a link naming the alleged whistle-blower here. that's something that a lot of news organizations avoided, the president avoided to this point. are there any ramifications for that. >> on its face, the president of the united states making national news for days at a time by retweeting surfer mom 77 is just a bit crazy in and of itself. that's where we're at with donald trump. he's been tweeting and

retweeting people spotting out -- spouting out conspiracy theories. this is a kind of rarefied and very new territory on this particular issue. just in general. it's important to note that the president of the united states tweeting about the name of the supposed whistle-blower is just really the culmination of what's been a multistep process at this point. you've had senator rand paul, representative dan bishop including donald trump jr. who tweeted or spoken publicly about the name of this particular individual who works in the intelligence community. really, what the president is tweeting about it as he did is just putting the ultimate icing on a cake that's being baked much to the chagrin of many people in the intelligence community for months now. >> that was part of the argument from david fromm, the conservative writer, former bush

speech writer. he suggested that the president is unrepentant. he was determined to break the law again. do you see a similar take away. why they had to move quickly on impeachment that the president is sort of off the rails and willing to keep going down these paths. >> the president doesn't play by any rule book. donald trump will do what donald trump feels like doing at any point he feels like doing it. sometimes that's speaking to a camera. sometimes tweeting from his phone. the latter in spades over the christmas holiday. as a result, we can suspect as the impeachment trial goes forward, once it goes forward, we don't know when that's going to be because of nancy pelosi holding back the articles as mentioned, donald trump is only going to be likely to do more of this in the future. yes, this is a big deal now. but what's he going to do a week from now, a month from now.

only donald trump really knows that. >> katia, how do you assess this? does he pay any price or is this the kind of thing that's swept away by the next crisis in 24 hours? >> i mean, when that tweet came out, we heard from legal expert after legal expert saying the whistle-blower protection act covers the intelligence community so the president has the authority to protect the whistle-blower and their identity. if we have the president coming forward trying to name that person, this could actually mean legal ramifications against him trying to retaliate against this person, whoever their identity is. that can come to legal consequences. what they might look like coming down the line, the republicans, his allies, if they keep calling for identity to come forward and endanger this person, we could see there's going to be legal blowback at least towards the president if he continues down this route. >> all this for a retweet. amazing. katia tubman and dave leventhal.

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more now on that breaking news from suburban new york city where a stabbing rampage at a late night hanukkah celebration left five people wounded.

nbc's kathy park is near the scene in monsey, new york, what do we know so far? >> reporter: garrett, good morning to you. it is a dark day in monsey. right now, this is very much an active investigation. still a developing story. here's what we know right now. the attack happened just before 10:00 last night. we were told that several people were congregating in this home behind me, the home of a rabbi on the 7th night of hanukkah when a masked man burst through the doors holding a weapon and went on a stabbing spree. evidently, five people were taken to the hospital and one seriously hurt. we don't have an update on their conditions. just two hours later, about 35 miles away from here, police arrested the suspect. right now, we don't have more details on the individual. we know it was an adult who was arrested. as the day goes on, we'll get

more answers about who this individual was. we still don't have a motive at this time. but i want to bring in a guest here. a spokesperson for the orthodox public affairs council. you were here shortly after the incident happened. what else can you tell us? >> i live a seven-minute drive from this location and moments after the attack happened, messages started coming in that three people attacked and there are 15 victims. obviously, many times when there's a developing story, there's a lot of rumors, if you will. so i decided to be here on the ground and gather information and get it out there to the press and to the community at large. obviously, people who are in this house when it happened, pretty much shaken. but at the same time, i think it was quite encouraging to learn two things. first of all, that one of the people who was in the house followed the perpetrator when he

left and went to and he got a tag. this is how law enforcement was able to apprehend them went out quickly to law enforcement. and the other thing is that the rabbi who lives there has a congregation there after everyone was taken to the hospital went over to his congregation to continue the celebrations which i think is a show of defiancdefiance, a show strength. no attack, no incident should deter anyone here in the united states from exercising whatever freedom of liberty they choose to exercise. >> reporter: we were told there was some sort of celebration being hosted at this home. how many people were here? >> r50 toe 60 people. it is -- last night was the 7th night of hanukkah. so the rabbi was in the house. he lit the candles and there's singing going on. and you have people of all ages sitting there. you have people of all ages sitting there and the person

burst into the house and started stabbing people indiscriminately, leaving five people wounded, two critical, one extremely critical. >> reporter: as far as people fighting back and just making sure that the attacker wasn't going to hurt any more individuals -- >> that's correct. my understanding was that mayhem ensued. one person took a folding table and threw it at him. he continued to stab at some point he stopped, turned around and left in his vehicle. as you posted, you can see the person go to his vehicle, get in and take off. someone following behind trying to get a bead on the tags, which they did successfully. >> reporter: as far as you know, it was one individual? >> yes, correct. one individual. not three based on what i gathered at the five victims. not more. maybe they were traumatized by an event. but i'm being physically attacked. my understanding is that five

people were transported to the hospital. >> reporter: as far as updates on the -- >> i spoke to the family of the person who is most severely injured. he is a male in the low 70s. maybe older a little. he is in a very critical condition. >> reporter: okay. we've been reporting all this month that there has been an uptick in anti-semitic crimes. right now we don't have a motive behind the attack. what's your overall sentiment about the rise in violence in the jewish community. >> correct. in terms of saying correct regarding there isn't a class sif indication for this -- classification for this attack. but for someone to go into a gathering where there are jewish people to stab indiscriminately. to be another story, i don't think that's the case. we'll let law enforcement figure that out. looking at the big picture, obviously, there's been an

increase in bigoted attacks against identify bli jewish people. i am hasidic. sometimes there's confusion about it. we have seen those attacks in jersey city, which was fatal. now you have this attack waiting for law enforcement to classify it for what it was. and then you have those multiple attacks happening in brooklyn. i think, you know, everyone can be out there and express outrage and concern, but i think people want to see specific steps, specific ideas. i can throw out some of them. i don't know if someone wants to list listen. first of all, it's good when public officials respond forcefully right away touring an attack. this was the case in jersey city and here. the other part, which is partially okay is when law enforcement said that they will increase patrols. but those things usually cool down after two days.

i think they need to be -- i think they need to keep those patrols stepped up more long-term. i know it's impossible to protect every institution. but i think those things need to continue. finally, most importantly, especially in brooklyn, i think there needs to be a public list by the district attorney or the mayor's office, what have you, to showcase to the public the list of attacks and the list of the consequences. no one has any idea what has happened to the dozens of persons who committed the attacks. were they arrested. are they in prison now? will they serve a sentence for six months, community service. regardless what it is, i think if the public will see the consequences, it will have two benefits. number one, i think members of the orthodox jewish community will feel more comfortable with the response and i think it will also send a signal to would-be attackers that playing around

with other people's lives isn't a joke or child's play and there are serious consequences. at this point, i hope that the brooklyn d.a.'s office who is a very competent d.a., but i think in this specific thing, his office needs to step it up and get information out there and release it to the press, release it to the public, do a press conference, this is what we did to that person and that person and let them now an attack on judaism isn't -- >> i'm sorry you're going through this. once again, this is still very much an active investigation garrick. according to the governor's office, he's directed the hate crime task force to investigate. right now, we still don't have a motive. >> come back if you learn more, obviously. now on to impending impeachment trial news. former vice president joe biden's reversal on whether he'd comply with a senate subpoena.

biden says he'd comply with any lawful order. also, he's quote, not going to pretend there's any legal basis for republicans to subpoena me for my testimony. joining me now is former federal prosecutor and legal analyst glenn kirschner in washington. is the vice president correct here? what would be the legal basis, if any, for a biden subpoena? >> garrett, because an impeachment hearing is not exactly a legal proceeding, it's hard to say what rules will be adopted to govern, for example, what witnesses can be called. i will say, if this was a trial setting, there would be no lawful basis for that subpoena. when defense attorneys try to subpoena witnesses that are largely irrelevant to resolving the issues on trial, judges step in and disallow those witnesses from being called and i have a feeling if joe biden was

subpoenaed or hunter biden was subpoenaed by the republicans, in order to try to prove that donald trump really was interested in fighting corruption, all joe biden would have to do was avail himself of a legal procedure to challenge that subpoena. it's called a motion to quash. i think any judge would take one look at a subpoena for joe biden's testimony in a senate impeachment trial and say, you know what i'm granting the motion to quash because he has no relevant evidence to provide on the two important questions of one, whether president trump abused his office by trying to bribe, extort president zelensky to announce an investigation into joe biden or two, the second article of impeachment, whether president trump obstr t obstructed congress. joe biden's testimony would be irrelevant on those two topics. >> i think republicans on capitol hill in my day job say

all the time, say if the president was concerned about investigating corruption in ukraine, that's why biden would potentially be relevant here. you sort of dismiss that argument on the legal side. i think one of the other questions, could biden essentially do the same thing that administration officials have been doing and delay it, wait it out? maybe i'll give you that deposition in a few weeks and run out the clock if you wanted to go that route? >> look, i'm glad that vice president biden changed course and said no, i'm going to comply or at least i'm going to avail myself of the legal process in order to challenge any subpoena that might be issued to me. you can understand why he would be so angry because when a president of the united states urges foreign countries, whether it's hey, russia if you're listening, start looking into hillary clinton's emails. ukraine, announce an investigation into the bidens, china i'd like you to do the joe biden would be concerned about his

safety and the safety of his heartened he changed course and backed off of the claim he would defy subpoenas. because that's what president trump ordered administration officials to do. just do not comply with lawfully issued congressional subpoenas. frankly, that is part of what landed him with an article of impeachment for obstructing congress. so i think we understand why joe biden reacted the way he did. i think it's good that he rethought that position, admitted that he was wrong and admitted he would comply or avail himself of the legal process to challenge any subpoena he received. >> we're all learning so much more about the subpoena process than i think anybody would have expected a year ago. glenn kirschner, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks, garrett. new signs this morning that the fight for higher minimum wage is paying off. will it be enough for those simply hoping to make a living? g [♪]

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a look at our headlines. the ntsb is still trying to figure out what caused a deadly plane crash in louisiana yesterday that killed a sports reporter and at least four other people. >> it looked really low to the ground, you know.

it was starting to shake, wobble. and then it skidded into the post office. and then instantly, i saw -- it burst into flames. >> six people were on board the twin-engine plane headed for the peach bowl in atlanta when it crashed after takeoff. it hit a car and injured multiple people on the ground. among those killed, carley mccord for the nbc affiliate in new orleans and the daughter-in-law of an lsu coach. a powerful winter storm is sweeping across the upper midwest as millions are headed home from holiday travel. winter storms from colorado to minnesota with 8 to 16 inches of windblown snow pounding the northern states. to the south, heavy rain and thunderstorms are expected in kentucky, tennessee and parts of the deep south. number one ranked louisiana state blasting number 4 oklahoma last night to win a spot in the national tight al game. heisman trophy winner joe burrow set college football playoff records with eight total touchdowns, leading lsu to a

63-28 peach bowl victory over the sooners. it will be tigers versus tigers after a clemson comeback victory over ohio state. the buckeyes started off strong but wavered after a controversial penalty in the second quarter. clemson seized the momentum and beat ohio state. they'll face lsu in the championship game on january 13th in new orleans. now to the 2020 presidential hopefuls on the campaign trail. senator bernie sanders in a new interview with the los angeles times taking a swipe at joe biden's perceived-electability. saying trump will eat his lunch because of biden's vote for the iraq war and past trade experience. >> [ inaudible ] >> president trump or -- >> let's go to new hampshire. nbc campaign -- has been living since june to cover the

election. it seems like it's taken a back seat to iowa. what can we expect this week? >> garrett. not this week asinine candidates are set to visit new hampshire -- -- amy klobuchar and andrew yang and michael bennett ringing in the new year. there hasn't been a dnc recognized poll in more than a month to gauge the support. these candidates are really making a push to sway this notoriously late breaking electorate. the voters decide very late and many of the candidates are trying to attract the state's independent voters which make up 40% of the electorate here. >> julia, i'm thinking about a candidate like amy klobuchar who has come on late and spent her focus there. can someone like that take advantage of the late breaking nature of new hampshire and try

to gain momentum there? >> yes, new hampshire is truly anyone's to grab. there has been a consistent four at the top. unlike the caucuses reaching a level of viability to make it past the state, it really is anyone's game. you have candidates like andrew yang about to open their offices here. you have candidates who are really trying to claim their stake here. so it really just depends on the week between iowa and new hampshire will decide a lot. >> new hampshire was bernie sanders' biggest moment arguably in the campaign. it's a big focus for him, his next-door state. how is that pushing the granite state. how do they make it another win this go around? >> senator bernie sanders has the largest staff here on the ground. they have been reaching out to not just their base but trying

to pull new voters into the electorate. as more voters are tuning in and showing up, he was here this weekend, a lot of energy and big crowds for him. but the voters here have been pressing him on -- i've talked to a lot who talk about his genuine stances on issues. they're not giving him a free pass. just this weekend, he had a health care industry worker ask sanders pretty candidly about job loss under medicare for all. while the senator loves talking about his health care plan, he really had to get into the specifics in a way he usually doesn't on the trail. take a listen. >> so to answer your question, will there be job loss? yes, there will be. what i want to tell you, we are putting into medicare for all what we call a just transition program which will help everybody in the industry for a five-year period, maintain their

income, get the job training that they need to get another job. i think that's the fair and right thing to do. >> these voters are really showing up and getting personal and so they're going to put the candidates to the task and as the focus turns to iowa and impeachment, it will be that ground game that makes all the difference here in new hampshire. >> it's going to be fun to watch. julia, thank you very much. appreciate it >> thank you. 2020 will bring heftier paychecks for many of the country's workers. more than half the states have plans to increase minimum wage next year. most of the wage boosts are happening in a few days around the new year. joining me now, a reporter from yahoo finance. civilly, these increases have been a long time coming. earlier in the house, a push to make $15 the minimum wanl. the bill didn't move in the senate.

the national minimum wage a $7. is there hope for an increase in the federal minimum wage? >> that would be the hope. the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. fortuna fortunately, lemg legislators have wised up to the fact that workers are happy to be employed where they need a living wage. states and municipalities taking the charge forward and helping workers as we move on to 2020 have higher wages. so what we are seeing is minimum wages are highest at the municipal levels. places like seattle, $16 an hour, for larger employers. 15 bucks an hour for smaller. new york city, 15 bucks an hour for all employers. now, at the state level, washington has the highest minimum wage. it will be $13.15. -- 50 cents. in california, it will be 13 bucks an hour for larger employers and 12 bucks an hour for smaller employers.

opponents for minimum wage have argued that raising wages across the board would cause some employers, small businesses in particular, to cut back how many people they hire. is there any truth or data to that argument? >> there's truth in the fact that employers are convinced that raising minimum wages affects their bottom line, yes, you'll see layoffs and they will employ less people. at the same time, the challenge, the onus is on employers because people who are working, they need a living wage. they need to be able to survive. what's the point of working four or five different jobs and not being able to afford a roof over your head or food on your table? that's the challenge. if we raise the minimum wage, it's going to hurt us. definitely the onus is on them to innovate and create more products so that people are buying more of their goods. -- to keep can't just be to wages at a level so low that they can't afford to live. >> the markets are not the

economy. i want to talk about the markets a little bit. the market has been on track for its best year in two decades, this is despite the trade war, slowing global economy. a president who has been impeached. what's going on? what's juicing the market? >> the stock market is on a tear. it's on track. there's two trading days left this year to have its best year in two decades. basically, president trump has been good for stocks since he's been elected. the stock market has skyrocketed. reached all-time highs. all major indices. moving forward in 2020, many investors expect we'll get modest gains. but the biggest market event that investors are paying attention to, even though it's ten months out is the 2020 election. that's really where their focus is right now. you have to financial firms that are making bank. they're basically offering candidate baskets. a bundle of investments, depending on the different --

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olivia biebers covers congress for the hill. can a speedy acquittal still happen? what are the odds? do you imagine a trial is going to include witness at this point? >> you're certainly seeing some of thelicans who are close allies with the president wanting rrehing in, doing a shoddy job, they're going to get blowback, especially from more moderates, likely from murkowski and susan collins. so in some ways, talk has been going on for a couple of weeks now. we're hearing for motions to dismiss and speedy acquittal. i think they want this off the plate. that's probably why this has been even more of a frustration that speaker pelosi has not passed the articles of impeachment on to the senate yet. >> you mentioned lisa murkowski, senator from alaska. she got headlines when she had a problem with mitch mcconnell

coordinating this hearing with the white house. i want to talk about it on the other side. >> when i heard about that, i was disturbed. if we are tasked as the full senate to do impartial justice under the constitution and the law, then to me it means that we have to take that step back from being hand in glove with the defense. >> do you see murkowski facing any backlash for that and you do you think she might be speaking for other republican senators or just herself this? >> it's not really clear whether she's speaking for herself or others. we have heard that other republican senators felt uncomfortable with mcconnell saying he was coordinating with the white house. look, this is a really kind of rare public rebuke by murkowski to senate republican leadership. i mean, she's known for her independent streak, her

moderate, her take on politics. this was her sending a warning shot to mcconnell saying don't put us in this position where we have to defend whether or not we had a fair trial. this is not related even to witnesses, this is related to looking like republicans are in the bag for the president heading into the impeachment trial. >> the democratic senator richa richard blumenthal from connecticut thinks there might be at least five senators -- >> i talked to anywhere from five to ten of my colleagues who have severe miss givings about the direction that mitch mcconnell is going. >> who is on your short list? who might be the other republican senators who feel the same way here? >> so, i really heard four names and they've been murkowski, susan collins, mitt romney and cory gardner. some of the conversations have been asking -- i've received

answers being like probably not going to get the four votes that you need, four of the senators to vote, four of the -- one thing that some have been telling us, mitch mcconnell has been behind the scenes, went up to mitt romney saying you need to tone down your criticism of the president especially into the impeachment weeks. that's a sign that he's putting in the effort behind the scenes to say, you can't be out there campaigning against the president. we need to have a united front. >> that's interesting about romney and mcconnell. romney may be the most likely person to hear from the witnesses. i think we'll talk about this. owelivia beavers. thanks for coming in. the silent treatment. is it getting under the president's skin. g under the president's skin when we see you enter through our doors,

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the politics around impeachment have calcified for both parties with public opinion rigidly consistent and senators and candidates mostly falling along party lines ahead of a prospective oat vo et to acquit trump or remove him from office. joining me rashad richey and katie tubman. rashad, how big of a factor for reelection in terms of how these senators will handle the trial, do you see this helping democrats in 2020 more than republicans or vice versa? >> i see this helping democrats morrison sow than republicans, when you look at the actual data the sentiment with citizens that vote is the more information that comes out about president trump, the more they are actually for the impeachment and removal. also this is creating a real political dynamic in each of these senators' home states. they are now having to defend president trump while at the same time defending their own local politics. you only have a limited amount

of political capital when you run campaigns and if you have to spend all of your political capital to leverage favor another to one up others who want to be anti-trump then you don't have enough political capital to actually promote your own agenda and beat your political opponents locally, something obviously the president of the united states he is really not that concerned about their own political welfare because he's creating all of these dynamics himself which creates more and more problems for the u.s. senators who are running as republicans. >> here is what senator rich and blumenthal said about this just earlier this week. >> talked to anywhere from five to ten of my colleagues who have very severe misgivings about the direction that mitch mcconnell is going. >> what do you think, katie, is that a realistic number? >> it probably is, blumenthal is referencing senator murkowski who had spoken out against the way that the impeachment trial is going to be set up, whether

it's going to be a full and fair trial given how mcconnell is approaching t i think there are some senators who are concerned that a lot of the american voters see that the senate trial is going to be in the bag for trump because republicans will fall in line and really the senators who have been criticizing quietly criticizing the president are trying to prove that they can be impartial, they can actually pledge allegiance to a constitution and not president. >> here is steve corn can i's assessment of possible defections at least on the issue of witnesses. >> these four names, you see these four names a lot whether it comes to conviction or just the question of rules, collins from maine, gardner from colorado, mcsally from arizona, tillis from north carolina. what do all four have in common? all four are running for reelection in 2020. all four have to face the voters. collins in a state that clinton won, gardner in a state that clinton won, mcsally in a state that trump won but only barely and seems to have gotten blue we

are since then and tillis in a state that trump won but only by 3.5 points. in other words, all of them have to think long and hard about how this vote is going to resonate with general election voters. >> what do you think about that, rashad? do you see any of these republicans breaking? i'm looking at cory gardner, that's a pretty blue state he's running in now. >> well, sure, and i think we should add senator murkowski to that list as well. >> sure. >> here is the thing, when we look at who will possibly vote on the rules, well, i think you're going to have a significant number of republicans who are willing to vote against mcconnell's wishes when it comes to the rules. i don't think those same u.s. senators who are republicans will actually vote to impeach or remove the president of the united states, but i do think they're going to vote in a way that's fair to the actual rules and you don't need a super majority for that is correct you only need a simple majority on the issue of rules, and if they don't come up with a coordinated plan they are not going to get these articles of impeachment anyway according to speaker

pelosi. >> katie, i know we are like 10,000 news cycles away from this, but given the politics of the senate here how likely do you think you will see a flip? democrats need to net three seats. >> do you see a flip -- >> from the whole senate. can the democrats take back the majority of the senate in 2020? >> that's what they're hoping to do. considering the fact that a lot are really in a position going into 2020 in places that they are vulnerable, that they are seeing many of their electorate going for trump and wanting to be behind his making sure this impeachment query is to make sure they are trying their best tac from voters who say this is not a smart decision by the democrats in remove the presid then we're seeing from trump and the republicans that this is only going to fire up the base on their side to make sure that trump is reelected and that there are republican senators who are going to keep their

majority in the senate. >> it's going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. rashad richey, katie tubman, thank you both. in just a moment a live report from suburban new york on a stabbing spree during a hanukkah celebration. police are trying to determine what led to the attack. on police are trying to determine what led to the attack

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good morning, i'm garrett haake at msnbc world headquarters in new york. we begin this hour with breaking news. five people injured in a knife attack in monsey, new york, last

night. they were members of the ultra orthodox hasidic jewish community and were gathered for hanukkah celebrations. attack happened north of new york city in a town with a large jewish population. police apprehended the suspect 30 miles away in harlem. this is a string of anti-semitic attacks in new york this month. andrew cuomo has asked the hate crime task force to investigate the incidents. nbc's kathy park is in monsey covering this developing story. cathy, what, if anything, do we know at this point about motive? >> reporter: garrett, good morning to you. that is still a big mystery at this hour. this is still very much a developing story and there are a lot of different agencies who are working to figure out a motive, but let me walk you through exactly what happened last night. the incident, the attack, happened just before 10:00 in this hom bin