>> i don't think you won't have utilities are by eric anderson three. susan collins will pretend to and the prompter when the words vote. go up right is scott silverman >> karine jean-pierre. >> i am going to be hopeful. the next thing for us will i am going to go with three. and anna zideman and the stage be when we see the process that is set forth in the senate. >> i am going to be hopeful. manager, and there he is. we call him joey apple sauce. then we'll know the number of >> we don't know how this is managers that we may have to go fwoing and jason jonathan and david going to go. >> jason johnson and jean kar e forward and who we would choose ortiz. the robo operator is reginald when we see what they have, we'll know who and how many we campbell and the lower thirds will send over. are by molly burns and greg >> welcome to a special year-end nickels, and the audio engineers edition of "a.m. joy." it's been a little over a week are michael dolton and gerald since the united states congress karine-pierre. thank you very much. keep it here on "a.m. joy" on impeached an american president msnbc. keep it here on "a.m. joy who is also in my ear. for only the third time in msnbc. and the operators, and our secret. all strength. no sweat. history. impeachment is a rare occurrence technical production engineer. . with little historical precedent. it's also one that's not extensively defined by the constitution. there are no real rules about how to go about it. in fact, this is basically all the constitution says about the whole procedure. article one, section two says, quote, the house of representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment. >> the lovely friends and dan

well, that part is done. joyner lynn and ray thanks to the speaker of the house nancy pelosi. but what comes next is not as clear. article 1, section 3 says, the mo moratta and chester rice, and senate shall have the sole power joe row, and christopher stakows to try all impeachments. but when? no timeline is specified. five 2020 presidential kishgs and mel turner and chris and what if a republican -- what candidates are also sitting if all the republican members of senators which means they'll be williamson and our director is the senate have already sworn to jurors in the impeachment trial of donald trump when, and if, it from down under, and our special play along party lines? effectively making trump's ever happens. joining me now, msnbc political exoneration all but certain, fill-in director, and our interintern amounting to nothing more than a corrector and politics editor at sham of a trial, something the the root.com, jason johnson and s and our news associate is people who wrote the constitution never anticipated. chief political affairs >> i am trying to give a pretty organizer for moveon.org, karine tyler lowell, and the graphics clear signal i have made up my jean-pierre. >> elizabeth warren, cory mind. producer is arlen sortim. arlen >> i wasn't in any doubt at this booker, bernie sanders, amy point. >> i'm not an impartial juror. klobuchar and michael bennet will be part of the trial as this is a political process. will kamala harris, the former it's not anything judicial about candidate for president. it. impeachment is a political let's talk about those who are still running. decision. i'm not impartial about this at how do you think the impeachment trial when it happens will wind all. >> well, speaker pelosi has up impacting those candidates? responded to the senate >> i have to tell you, joy, i i've always loved and i'm still going for my best, republicans dereliction of duty by upping the ante. think the people that it hurts even though i live with a higher risk of stroke

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how many doors i am knocking on under oath? if the house case is so weak, in columbia south carolina or why is leader mcconnell so cory booker gets a good question afraid of witnesses and documents. from mulvaney. >> would it still be a trial if you did it! there are no witnesses in a congratulations. senate proceeding, if they just >> welcome to a special end of opened it, moved to dismiss and the year edition of "a.m. joy." that was the end? if kamala harris was still in >> you could call it a trial. the race. it is an opportunity for her to you already know your weekly you could call it anything you want. demonstrate the skills she would but it wouldn't be a trial in statement, "who won the week." the constitutional sense because use in the united states. it is not going to matter to the constitution clearly bernie. it is not going to matter to contemplates that there will be full closure, to mark the ending what ordinary people call a elizabeth warren. they like her of her idea and trial, which means witnesses. her progressive principles. of what could describe 2019, in fact, there is not much nobody cares about michael reason to hold a proceeding in bennett. i don't see of it as making a the senate if it's simply a we'll sum it up in a special much difference. if it ends up being a logistical edition of "who won the year"! rehash of what happened in the house. it would simply poll the >> we'll break it all the way senators, not ask them to listen down and tell you who won the to any evidence. year for the culture. the constitution says they must nightmare. be on a special oath. i don't think it is going to and what would be the point of happen because i don't think first, we start with who won the chuck schumer will let mitch having them take an oath if they year in politics. could make up their minds joining me now is tiffany cross completely without paying any mcconnell get in the way of the from the beat d.c. attention to the evidence. senate trial. jason johnson of the root and any democrat who said that >> why you throw my former state senator under the bus? exonerating evidence wouldn't

>> you got to be honest. make any difference to her or it is new year. >> you are not lying, jason. karine jean-pierre, of "moving him would be violating their >> cold-blooded. forward." oath as well. i think, of course, people have >> karine, let's shift over to i am going to go ahead and start donald trump. with karine. he's now impeached. preconceptions. he's behaving more erratically go. who won the year? they don't go there as blank slates. and the framers weren't idiots. and obsessing flushing toilets >> politically i believe they knew that senators were politicians. but the reason they have the attorney general tish james who and he's losing it. chief justice presiding, the by the way had spent her career reason for the solemnity, the the question becomes, does that breaking barriers whether it is reason for the oath is that they whine up impacting him as a gender or race so kudos to her are asking these people to set candidate for reelection? >> yes, i think as we see it is aside their partisan views and to that. at least listen to the evidence. under his skin and it is she's been at the forefront of the legal defense against donald and that means there's got to be impacting him already. one thing that donald trump evidence to listen to. trump's policies this year. >> yeah. >> and i think they've got to have witnesses. >> and does it -- what about understands is marketing. she soothe tued the administrat mcconnell's argument that the he takes it incredibly personal. house sent over an impeachment, the thing that's really times. interesting is we have to she's been on top of it. she's been killing it. not having heard from these remember the last two years, witnesses who, by the way, trump really has been a voice for many donald trump was running on prevented from democrats impeachment. of us who feels like we are he did that in 2018. he did that in 2017. he did that now and it did not voiceless and taken it to the shouldn't have the opportunity to make a stronger case in the court. >> i don't think anybody that senate. >> well, there was plenty of work for him. donald trump is probably more afraid of if i can get inside evidence in the house. the idea that he's going to be on the basis of the evidence his mind than her. that was in the house, all you would have to do like a able to turn this into something

joint deal if he ever to make a reasonable people would conclude that's going to work for him. that the president shook down ukraine for his own personal there is no proof. there is no electoral proof of it. deal. he would also have to deal with benefit and stonewalled the his popularity does not prove her. >> i don't think so. congress as a whole. any of that. i do want to agree with >> got to be tough to pass that and that's why a strong majority something with jason. one, jason johnson. in the house voted not just that impeachment is pretty baked in. in the show we tend to put you there was good reason to have a i don't think it is going to be trial, but that as a matter of the issue, the thing that voters on the spot. it is not personal. fact, the president had violated it is just the way we operate. his oath, had betrayed the are going to be looking at. yes, voters in part as i mention >> joy, you can only choose one, before on the show made sure country, that committed high joy. >> exactly. crimes and misdemeanors. that the house, the democrats had the house to keep this guy but if there are senators who accountable which they did. >> whoa. remain unconvinced, then the i don't think that's it. it is going to be about healthcare and about the >> looking forward. witnesses, like bolton, like economy. it is going to be how do we win. that's the thing that voters are >> this time pick one person, jason. mulvaney, those witnesses need really concerned about when it >> okay, so my "who won the to be heard. comes to donald trump. and there's no reason, no >> also, jason though, a argument given for not hearing year" is stacey abramsabrams. them. they will dot the is and cross messaging opportunity for democrats to talk about the the ts and resolve any remaining aspect of what he did is voter's she started the year having been ambiguity. robbed in the election for and that's why we've got to hear them. georgia. >> i just want to follow up. she was selected to give the democratic rebuttal. glenn kirschner, former suppression. everybody in her office wanted is that a messaging opportunity for democrats? her to be the candidate in

prosecutor, he said they're >> it is, joy. here is the thing. georgia. upset that pelosi is not sending there is been a lot of people now she's on everybody's top it over is ironic mcconnell is that we know and we talk about this on and off. complaining about a delay in three list to be a vp. their biggest anger of inferring articles of that's an amazing year for impeachment is that it was only somebody who lost the election. good day, everyone. impeachment when he sat on judge two articles. we could have talked about baby she started there by action. from msnbc world headquarters in garland's scotus nomination and she's still engaging in the new york, it is high noon here sat on house bills blocking all state of georgia. debate therein. she's helping with voter turn let me ask you about donald in the east and 10:00 in the trump. there is now -- we spoke out. you compare her to andrew gillum west. a stabbing attack has been made recently with somebody who used babies in cages. who had no chance of going back. to work with donald trump, sam at a hanukkah celebration. nunnberg who speculated what this is just the latest in a when you lookapned and what authorities are i sag trump may try to do if there's a trial, and we assume there will series of action on the part of with beto o'rourke, she won the abo eventually be one is send a -- are saying about the the president of the united suspect. states to steal your vote and year politically and has done a and what lies ahead on statement over or go and read a great job. >> they're all really great capitol hill with the statement himself and show up as president's tweets and nancy his own witness and read a election, to steal the 2020 people by the way. >> when you think about it. pelosi. all americans know that it predone statement. if he does that, would that open election. this is something that people is a fair trial to call your beto, people had high hopes for witnesses. him up to then being questioned oftentimes overlook when it >> i think that many positions by democratic problems? him was not attracted to same by many senators are calcified. comes to donald trump. this is not 2016. >> many of the witnesses >> he certainly would be waiving kind sort of second opportunity as long as democrats keep people testified under oath that there any supposed privilege or is no crime. appeal. andrew gillum does a great job immunity he has. focus on the future, he's trying he might just tweet and not at cnn as a commentator. to snap something in your pocket bother showing up. we've had more than enough now. we don't care what happens in statements from this president. somehow stacey abrams really dug his statement to nancy pelosi, 2016. which he didn't do under oath, >> and moveon.org, senior

it. it is the most important issue. because i guess he was afraid it is the thing that civil that that would open him up to member, can democrats make it to rights group was ultimately still more perjury charges. about to get the power vote. take that damn ticket? that statement to nancy pelosi >> i don't know if andrew gillum that was basically nutty is what there are a lot of republican we would expect to hear again. senators who's going to have to has a chance though. answer for their own action when >> i think it is possible, too. and i don't think it would be it comes to the impeachment >> i don't think the problem edifying, but it would highlight that he doesn't really want trial and subordination to the that andrew gillum would have people who were there in the president. >> that's exactly right. winning in florida are about room when it happened, like they have to say donald trump bolton, like mulvaney, to him. testify. and it just doesn't make sense. >> voter suppression. tried to cheat to win. >> what about the question of >> and i think there needs to be could democrats, because they and people don't like cheaters. are like a grand jury. they really don't. more stories. i've sat on a grand jury before, the other part of what you are asking, joy, republicans held in which we as jurors could ask that up. >> traexactly. >> i am making a new year's for witnesses. they basically, they were can democratic senators in the resolution that we are going to course of a trial in the senate comparing him to jesus. do that story. they were doing these crazy we'll take a at subpoena witnesses and then could the chief justice who is florida. sort of the judge, who sits as insane thing, since september the judge in an impeachment that until the impeachment, the vot r they were at his victory party. trial order those if it then turn out, they may appear in an expedited fashion? have donated to him. >> absolutely. it would be a scandal everyday. but, of course, that order would voters off the floor. be subject to review by the he'll be taken down. criminality to get by and trying >> he got in trouble for senate as a whole. 51 senators could say, no, we to do that everyday and out. hamilton ticket. >> hello.

don't want to bother hearing they're going to have to answer >> exactly. to that. >> i wonder why that's from hunter biden. it's got nothing to do with the well, once again the house was different. >> let's move on. case. giving to the democrats in part >> tiffany cross from the beat or we don't really need to hear from adam schiff. he's simply an investigator. to keep donald trump accountable. d.c. who won the year politically? at the same time, 51 senators republicans are not doing that. could insist or any of them they're trying to let him get >> i am going to say the squad away with everything and cheat. won the year politically. could ask to hear from this guy >> i am going to give youuy jas? they came up under attack from the president. duffy who had an email just a couple of hours after the they got shade by some media outlets as well. incriminating july 25th phone that's loss from the squad is call saying i'm now told that we they continue to do the people's had better freeze the aid. business. they introduce countless pieces they are claiming that was a of legislation that did not get coincidence. well, hearing from duffy a lot of coverage. personally, and he's one of the ones that chuck schumer wants to pressley, the first woman to call, could help clear that up. on the face of it, this represent the congress. coincidence claim is ludicrous. she and congress tlaib not even a reasonable doubt. but if there is any open-minded republican who is not already introduced legislation to ban recognition technology in public committed as lindsey graham says housing. that's a big deal. he is and as the majority leader congresswoman ilhan omar out of says he is, if there's any minnesota introduced no shame open-minded senator, susan

collins will want to claimgardn for kids who could not afford public lunch. she introduced that legislation. can ask to hear that evidence. across the board and congress and if the chief justice does his job, he will approve the come ocasio-alexander cortez, subpoena, and i don't think there will be 51 votes to she introduced the bill to work disapprove. so the dynadynamic, i think, co in the government. well unfold. and what nancy pelosi has done by holding things over the certainly not the only but i think they stay true and christmas break and hanukkah break and the new year's break consistent and even as the media is shine a spotlight on the overlooked them and show them to ludicrous idea that you can have elevate other people around an exoneration with no impeachment conversation. witnesses. these women were persistent and the national dialogue has been kept true in serving the people. fostered by her temporary delay. and it's really only going to be i will forever shout them out for that. >> we just named between leticia temporary. i can't imagine the idea that there would never be a trial in the senate. it would leave the president hanging forever. james and the squad, the >> and the thing that's interesting about that is, as democratic party, one of its you said, every senator has their own state dynamics to deal failures over the past 50 years with. i can imagine a cory gardner is not elevated women and women going back to colorado and of color to statewide position holding a town hall in which his whether it is senator or

constituents demand that he vote to have witnesses. it would be very difficult for governor. think of the fact that had she some of these susan collins and won in georgia, the first black cory gardners and martha woman governor. i predict that of those women, mcsallys to say they don't want to hear from them. half or more of them will be in isn't it incriminating from the statewide office in the next few point of view of the president years easily. that these witnesses are being >> senator or governor. prevented from speaking? >> absolutely. there is absolutely no reason not to use common sense. >> leticia james, watch her and common sense tells you that if these witnesses had something become governor of new york one of these days. exonerating for the president, they're all excellent picks. any of those women could have won the year. he wouldn't just be willing to my pick for who won the year has have them testify. he'd be threatening them with to be the speaker. terrible consequences if they didn't testify. nancy pelosi out of baltimore we know how this president walked into the speaker's works. he does everything in his own interest. very little has to do with the office, took up the gavel for the second time. national interest. and the very fact that he and she's going to go down in history as one of the three mcconnell are trying to extend strongest speakers in the united the stonewall into the trial itself says all we need to know about the probable guilt of this states. the only woman speaker we have, she's the second in line from president. indeed, that guilt is

overwhelmingly clear. the white house. >> you were correct in she triggers donald trump every predicting the possibility of a single day of her life. delay in sending the articles she knows how to handle him and over to the senate. would you in the end predict all of those supposedly powerful there will be one of two that men at the table when she stands is a quick exoneration by the over them and telling them about republicans which then they have to live with on the campaign the constitution. bringing impeachment to happen trail or do you believe when she was against it. ultimately there will be a trial she was not for it. with witnesses? >> more likely with witnesses, making it happen and acceshepar but if there are no witnesses, i wouldn't qual it an exoneration t those moderates through. she won the year. because the american people are smart enough to know that trial >> and i got to say, a key thing where the fix is in just an o.j.-like trial, is not a trial at all. of pelosi, at the beginning of >> indeed. i have said if that's the way it the year, we are calling her queen of dragons and we got goes, donald trump will be the o.j. simpson of presidents. angry of her over the summer not sure that's the legacy he because we thought she did not wants. he's already impeached. handle the mueller report laurence tribe, thank you for correctly. your time. >> thank you, joy. an effective leader can change. up next -- lessons from the the fact that she changed and able to look at the political last president to be impeached. you ever wish you weren't a motaur? circumstances. now is the time to do this. sure. sometimes i wish i had legs like you. that's critical this year.

i don't think it is better than yeah, like a regular person. no. still half bike/half man, just the opposite. mine. >> if i am calling donald trump oh, so the legs on the bottom and motorcycle on the top? the oj simpson of president. he's going to get exonerated once he goes to trial. she would never have a yeah. yeah, i could see that. prosecution moment and try to fit the glove on you know what's for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. going to fit. she knows what's dpoigoing to p. >> no, i was going to say that was a great point you just made. car cardi b., she dog walks donald trump. that's what she does. she gets under his skin and she held him accountable, probably for the first time in his life and she impeached him. got the most votes on an article of impeachment. got 230 and got the second most votes on the second which was 229 and then she gives a press conference and says, you know what, i am going to hold off to

these so that we can make sure there is a fair process and the last day before they leave for recess, she goes oh, by the way, i need you to come in and give the state of the union speech. in february. >> i think in baltimore, she must have been to a lot of black churches. she had that aunt think clap. >> we got to call her by her government name, right? >> the mayor of baltimore. those men fear her. yeah, i could see that. looking around here i see tablets, laptops, printers, smartphones. trump is afraid to call her they're all connected to the internet. they're all connected. names. >> go ahead karine.

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>> and think about black women. they think a lot about everyone else. >> get out. >> right. >> it is not all barber shop. >> tiffany cross, jason johnson, karine jean-pierre, stick around. she got two, now she's going to get a third one. i just take complete >> coming up next, we'll tell responsibility for all my actions, both public and you who won globally. private. it constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which i am solely and completely responsible. i know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. i misled people, including even my wife. i deeply regret that. >> bill clinton apologized to the nation months before the house voted to impeach him in 1998. donald trump will also have the opportunity to address the country just two months after

his impeachment in february's state of the union speech. how is that going to go? sleep this amazing? joining me is someone who was there for the 1998 impeachment, that's a zzzquil pure zzzs sleep. our liquid has a unique botanical blend, former california senator barbara boxer. while an optimal melatonin level means no next-day grogginess. thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy. >> i want to go back and play zzzquil pure zzzs. some of the coverage of the naturally superior sleep. clinton impeachment from 1999, and that was here right on msnbc. take a listen. >> while mr. clinton's address was about the state of the union, the focus for many was the state of his presidency. >> it's still hard to believe that this is a man whose job is in jeopardy. his fate in the hands of many in this room. >> my fellow americans, i stand before you tonight to report that the state of our union is strong. >> i actually remember that. the thing that was notable about bill clinton's response to impeach was he said i'm going to get on about the work of the american people. and he didn't address

impeachment in the state of the union. he just focused on the job of being president. do you anticipate something similar when donald trump has the opportunity to address the nation as an impeached president in february? >> well, i have really stopped trying to predict what this man will do because i've never met anyone like that, and i served with five presidents, three republicans and two democrats. so i don't know what he'll do. but i just want to say that if you look at the substance of what surrounded bill clinton, looking around here i see which was lying about a sexual tablets, laptops, printers, smartphones. they're all connected to the internet. affair, compared to the they're all connected. substance of what donald trump can your network handle all those devices? sometimes. did, which is endangering the comcast business runs on the nation's national security of the largest gig-speed network. country, by trying to shake down so you can get the bandwidth you need to power all of your devices at peak performance. and actually doing it and we if all of my devices could have that kind of speed, heard him do it, a foreign i would be dancing! leader who was dependent upon us get started with secure 35-megabit internet so that he could get dirt on his and one voice line for just $64.90 per month. opponent. there is no comparison. no comparison. call today. comcast business.

>> i think about it just having beyond fast. remembered interviewing at the time and with all the presidents we've had throughout our time and going back to some of the founders, indiscretions against their marriages being so common, you could have impeached half or more of them, and the idea that the country was being dragged through this with a president who had been not just elected but re-elected, and hunted for like years with investigation after investigation after investigation until they finally caught him in a sexual affair and then impeached him for lying about it and then went after his law license, wanted him disbarred. like i have never seen anything like it, and it literally was the same people who did that are next up for our segment of now claiming that the current impeachment, which is about "who won the year," 2019 around trying to bribe a foreign official to help him get the world? re-elected, that that's political. i'm going to let you answer that, but i want you to listen to one of the people who was the >> e.j. dionne, coauthor of the most haranging about how bill

clinton was a threat to the book "one nation after trump." republic at the time, lindsey let's go to henry first, who won graham, 1999. the world? >> this is about a person out of >> well, boris johnson. control who took the law, turned it upside down. he's not the world's king. every time there was a crossroads, he put his personal and legal interest ahead of the a year ago he was a former nation. he is the chief law enforcement officer of the land. secretary and under back benches he encouraged people to lie for and in the wilderness and nobody him. he lied. i think he obstructed justice. thought if and when theresa may i think there's a compelling case that he has, in fact, engaged in conduct that would be steps down and he would be the better for him to leave office than to stay in office. real front runner runner. >> it's astounding to listen to him, but your thoughts. >> well, the hypocrisy of the republicans. i just want to say, joy, i can't let it pass. newt gingrich, who is the one a landslide victory and he's who engineered the entire going to deliver brexit in over a month's time. i have been watching boris impeachment of bill clinton, look at his private life. what a mess. and then you look at henry hide johnson. who walked into, i'll never about people and immigrants of the country who are non-white.

forget the senate, as that top odd ball figure in a lot of way. house manager, and later we found out he had an affair with something like donald trump but a married woman which he called does not line up specifically. a, quote, youthful indiscretion what happened to make that guy when he was in his 40s. fill the role of prime minister and then you look at who they elected speaker. dennis hastert who is serving time. and what happens to labed to th i don't know if he's still there, for molesting children. party? >> the thing is boris johnson is so the hypocrisy, the whole himself. he sees himself in the mode of thing dripped of hypocrisy. churchill but at the same time and you know, it continues on he's kind of unspun. with lindsey graham. look at what he said, you know, people feel that they know him. he became extremely prominent by back then about how incredibly doing well on a television important it was to have witnesses and all of this and all of that. it's really stunning to me. and i don't know what donald trump will say at the state of program. the union address. there is not much of an i really don't know what he'll authenticity about it where as boris johnson, you will have do, but he'll allude to some kind of railroad job. laughs and jokes and he'll have you can be sure. a punch line. because he likes to be victim.

even though he goes around ordinary everyday people causing pain to people every including in england who hates day. conservatives who are the the latest to congresswoman working class, the regular dingell. it goes on and on. people, they voted for him this but he's always the victim. >> and let me play an example of that. even nixon, when nixon had, you know, personal dignity and time. concern for the nation to not put the nation through an truly extraordinary. impeachment. that's the only reason he was he's different than theresa may. not fully impeached because he she was not able to deliver resigned. it was a humiliation to him but brexit. people did not feel connected he said i don't want to put the with her. nation through this. somehow they feel they can you heard bill clinton take responsibility for, again, when connect with alexander boris people say he committed perjury. johnson. about what? a sexual affair. his full name. a consensual sexual affair. >> it is fascinating about boris that's what he committed perjury johnson, you made the metaphor about. the gravity of it just ain't to donald trump, a friend of there. no way you're going to find it. mine who does not like boris johnson says he's donald trump here is donald trump. pure victimization coming from him at his michigan rally. >> i'm the first person to ever with a thesaurus. get impeached and there's no crime. you know what they call that? impeachment light. it's impeachment light. one lesson that we can draw from that's why you know with richard his victory. when you look at the election, nixon, i just see it as a very you can see the entire dark era.

very dark. opposition of boris johnson, very, oh, you don't even like to they were deeply divided. crazy. if you add up the votes of the parties, that were opposed to brexit, he's got a mandate to do so i'm not worried. i'm not worried. brexit. he got the votes in parliament us good when you don't do anything wrong, you to do it. get impeached. that may be a record that will last forever. >> by the way, this is a dark he got over 50% of the vote. era. the votes were scattered and children are in cages. if you are black or brown or a they did not come together. woman or lgbt, trans in the that i think is a lesson for military, this is a dark era. americans looking at the 2020 he's having fun and that's -- election and dangers of anyway. i'm not going to make any more editorial comments about the divisions on moderate and progressivpotics. darkness of the raerera, but who >> and the labor party a you make of that? >> again, he does not understand what has happened. uniquely difficult figure to the man -- the man has abused power in ways that we haven't elect. >> did you have another point to really seen. make henry? it is against the law to impound >> that's right, jeremy corbyn, or hold up money that congress has appropriated to help a he does not look like a prime nation that is fighting our

adversary russia. minister. and in doing so, endangered our his track record of a number of national security. issues that's antibritish and and for what reason? for personal gain. to get dirt on joe biden. and i will tell you something. the people i believe are getting this, and i do want to comment, anti-western. that speaker pelosi, by holding some of them are quite up the sending the articles over, i think this really has proempire, very pro-venezuela and the conservative newspaper shown the light on the and boris johnson says if you elect this man, you will have corruption that is going on by mitch mcconnell. i served with him for 24 years. almost like a candidate. for the first 20, i didn't talk s to him because we had a real he does not believe in britain. battle over robert packwood and his indiscretions and his sexual >> let's go to e.j. dionne. harassment. and, frankly, mitch tried to you got to try to beat that with your candidate of who won the world. stop me from getting the senate >> voters and mobilized citizens to vote. here's what i think. by the speaker doing this, the won the year in the world. i am thinking for example of whole world sees how mitch what happened in hong kong.

mcconnell operates. not only did you have people out and it's just plain wrong. yes, those within the beltway in the streets to campaign for and those who were sophisticated human rights and basic understood it. but now they see it that he traditional rights and democracy but then they have elections for doesn't want to do a fair trial. and he thought she would send local counsels and while the those articles over and, boom, local counsels were not that he would just do it over and powerful, the voters chose to send the message. out. it's not going to happen that the people of hong kong really way. >> you worked with him. support the chinese government, you've dealt with him. is mitch mcconnell, in your they voted overwhelmingly for view, corrupt? >> well, i don't know whether candidates who supported he's getting any personal gain for what he does, but he is corrupting the process of democracy, pro-freedom democracy. demonstrators. you saw similar voters in cities the reasons for it, he only knows. and in europe, istanbul voting maybe it's because he really agrees with the whole notion of against erdogan's party. putting right wing judges on the you saw the city in hungary in bench so that he acts corruptly by keeping people from voting on revolt against erdogan. so we talked a lot in the last couple of years, i think i was there. i knew how that felt. legitimately about our fears or and he is right out there democracy. saying, i am the grim reaper. what we learned is a lot of i'm proud of it.

you know, legislation goes to people in the world when democracy and freedom are under die. so it's acting in a corrupt attack. we use any tool set in the fashion. i don't know if he gains from it. so that's not my place to say. democratic arsenal to fight back and they are doing that in hong but it is shocking to me to see kong. they have done that in europe. someone with that level of that's a very heartening thing. if you think by the way, responsibility just walk away elections don't matter. from that responsibility day in we would not have impeached and day out and try to be a donald trump if voters have one-man wrecking crew in the mobilized in 2018 either. united states senate. you know, joy, all we hear is, using your democratic rights is the way to protect democracy. why are the democrats doing impeachment when they have so much work to do? >> you know e.j. mentions it as guess what? there are more than 200 bills -- >> almost 400. >> -- sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk and how they can keep saying it. well. to raise the minimum wage, to >> you are not wrong at all. save the environment, taxedatio look at what's happening in climate, all those things that zimbabwe, africans called uncle we need to, and mitch mcconnell, in my view, it's acting in a bob and we are talking about corrupt fashion because it's if democrats -- they maybe ought mogabi.

the people of zimbabwe have come out on the streets the. to throw some ads on tv know th they take the best and the woret even exist. would you advise the democrats of the police. they don't want to replace him. to start advertising the bills they've passed? >> oh, yeah. look at what's happening in and what i'd like to see it for senators to stand on the floor. i ask unanimous consent to bring up the bill that will raise the minimum wage. i ask unanimous consent, you know, for a bill that would stop modi. we don't want citizenship to be separating kids at the border, based on religion and more power to them. et cetera, et cetera. >> and make them hear it. >> make them object. thanks, joy. >> and you are right on the >> thank you. coming up -- impeachment has continents and asia and everywhere else. donald trump all in his here, other than puerto rico, we feelings. we'll take a closer look. we'll k have not seen as much. there has been big protest for impeachment and there were huge protests. are you surprise there has not frustrated that everyday been more activities in the activities cause wrinkles streets of the united states? and there's nothing you can do about it? >> i think what you saw were street actions and now there's a solution! downy wrinkleguard is a fabric conditioner demonstrations early in the

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year. my who won the year is vladimir putin. i would never thought to see the day that the united states would be a side kick to russia. donald trump is so into this man. russia has the strongest sphere splu influence in the united states. they are telling trump what to do and he's obeying. it is shkiocking to me. >> usually you have a good grasp and you understand how we got to to position we have when it comes to the world of the united nations and nato and etc. donald trump has no clue of this, this

is why he's able to treat these relationships so cheaply with enemies and friends. >> he's the junior partner with all dictators he so admires. they are not listening to him. he's listening to them and obeying them. >> i am going to stick with my optimistic choice. to underscore your point, what does vladimir putin want the united states to do? we wants the united states to mistreat the democratic allies badly. what's happening under president trump? >> absolutely. >> thank you so much to henry and e.j. up next, more of "a.m. joy" who won the year spectacular. " who won the year spectacular if you see wires down,

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please allow me to make the understatement of the year. donald trump is a weird man. >> why do i always look so orange? you know why? because of the new light. they're terrible. sinks. showers. all of this stuff. i did a lot of it. the water comes out. you have areas where there's so much water you don't know what to do with it. you turn on the shower, you aren't allowed to have any water anymore. dishwashers. the dishwash eright? you press it. >> sinks, right? showers. what goes with a sink and a shower? ten times, right? not me, of course. not me. but you. >> now that he's been impeached, i'm going to go out on a limb and guess he's not going to get any less weird. joining me, a trump biographer.

let's talk about this person. donald trump is odd. is there something to his obsession with sinks and flushing? >> he's always been a ge germ phobe. that's always been a thing for him, but i think that he is a critter. i can't disagree with that. >> he's weird. >> i'm a germophobe, but i'm not obsessing about flushing the toilet ten times. that is just an odd obsession. he keeps talking about the same thing. let's go on to how he's responding to being impeached. politico has a story dated december 18th that says trump is going crazy over his impeachment legacy. obsessed is how one former white house official describes trump's mind-set about how people will remember him. trump has told people around him that impeachment would leave his presidency tainted. he seemed to respond the same way to the revelation that he didn't get elected on his own. that he had help from russia. he seems to be obsessed.

>> he's got to be the winner. not just the winner of any particular contest, but like the winner of all time. >> yeah. >> so that anything, any way, you know, seems to even slightly call that into question, he's got to like crush, stamp out, obliterate, get rid of, and he's -- a thing that he particularly can't stand is the notion of being laughed at. >> yeah. >> that is the worst. that's not just the loser, but being laughed at. that combination. >> he was literally laughed at by foreign leaders who were snickering about him. he must have heard about that? >> oh, yeah. oh, yeah. >> i read a book jer to barack obama's batman. the other thing that he seems to have is an obsession with obama and the fact that obama is beloved, still is, popular. hollywood loved him. he had screenings of films in the white house. people like barack obama. and he seems to be negatively obsessed with him in every single way. >> well, yeah.

his whole being, trump's being since he was young was he had to win. he had to -- not just win but like completely obliterate anybody who was in the way. and his whole kind of background, his dad pushing the idea of winning at any cost, be a killer, his -- his parents being very affected by norman vincent peele, the power of positive thinking, the way that you impress on your mind an image of yourself as successful, hold to it tenaciously. i love that word, tenaciously. never let it go. and then roy cohn comes in with never admit defeat. always blast back. anybody accuses you of something, you push back. that whole sort of, whole trajectory of what he was trained on, i think we saw that when he was in real estate. we see it now that he needs that

kind of -- he needs to win, and he needs to obliterate anybody in his way. >> he's sort of like charlie on the old "star trek" episode where anyone that didn't show him enough love and affection, he made their mouth disappear. even if the person is deceased. i want to play you donald trump going after a deadrm senator jo died earlier this year and going after his widow. here he is at a that's a real beauty. so she calls me up like eight months ago. her husband was ill a long time. but i didn't give him the b treatment or c or d. i could have. i gave the a-plus treatment. she calls me up. it's the nicest thing that's ever happened. thank you so much. john would be so thrilled. he's looking down. he'd be so thrilled. thank you so much, sir. i said that's okay.

don't worry about it. maybe he's looking up. i don't know. >> donald trump who has evangelical support in the 80s to 90s but says he's never prayed for forgiveness, saying former senator john dingell is looking up from hell. why does he seem to believe that congresswoman dingell owed him a vote against impeachment because he did the normal presidential duties when the former senator died? former congressman died? >> whatever he does, he thinks that people owe him for that because his whole way of looking at the world is transactional. you don't do anything unless you're going to get something back. that's the only reason you do anything. we saw that in the phone call, the famous phone call to the president of the ukraine. we saw it with debbie dingell, the widow. her husband is not dead a year. if he does something, he expects payback. that's it. that's the only way you ever do

anything. >> talk a little bit about donald trump's relationship with the clintons. the clintons were at his wedding to melania. during bill clinton's -- president clinton's impeachment, he sided with bill clinton. they had some sort of a relationship. and now his negative obsession with obama is only matched by his negative obsession with hillary clinton. what is that about? >> anybody -- he does something, he expects to be paid back. that's it. he backed clinton during the impeachment. he wanted payback. they came to the wedding, as he said, during the debates in 2016, that was payback. she owed me something. he's got to show that everybody is under his thumb. >> does donald trump, if he could be, does he want to be a king? would he like to be the king of the united states? >> i think king isn't even like a big enough word almost for him. >> wow. >> king of the world. ruler of the world. he's talked about himself as second coming -- >> almost a god. >> that's come up.

>> but he's sort of, in a way, a good way to think about him is sort of the abused -- abusive husband kind of thing where if somebody does something, if somebody -- whatever happens, when he hurts someone, it's because they made him do it. he's -- that's his way of looking at the world. if anything happens, it's their fault no matter what it is. >> and do you believe that the -- he's being impeached because he treated the resources of the united states that were voted through congress, they were his personal resources, they're not. as if they were payment he could extract or trade for favors for himself, for his campaign. so he doesn't seem to understand the american concept, the concept of an election or the concept of democracy. he doesn't understand anything of like that. with his followers, however, he can do no wrong. do you believe that donald trump is essentially leading what amounts to a secular cult which is semireligious because his followers are mainly very, very

religious right wing white evangelicals? >> cult is a big word. actually only four letters, but it is a heavy word. but i think that what he taps into with people is almost everybody, me included, but i wouldn't speak for you, there's like a jealous part of you, a part of you that's angry that maybe isn't your best part. a negative part. he like taps into that, harnesses it, recognizes it, says, i'm one of you. >> yeah. >> he uses that royal "we." you know, we don't feel like we've been impeached, do we? >> we've been impeached. >> he uses that. and then people feel complicit. >> that's right. and they have to save him because that's all he cares about. >> they've drunk the kool aid and have to fess up and then can't get out of it. >> gwenda blair, really appreciate you being here to be our trump whisperer of the day. up next, how impeachment plays a role in the 2020 race.

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i had a chance to discuss some of the disturbing condition with mariana earlier this year. >> something called the freezer that i have heard from sources where children are having nightmares about it. >> the kids that i have spoken to, they know the name in spanish for these places. the dog pound. the freezer. these are some of the most vulnerable individuals in our planet that are walking 2500 miles fleeing violence through cartel territory. they reached the southern border thinking they're going to find refuge and they are put in these conditions. >> david continues to cover trump's wrong countries

as well as one of the most under covered stories of the year. the president of the united states making a $2 million settlement with the state of new york because his self-made charity is a giant scam. >> we could not do who won the year without shouting out the woman who won cable news, our leader in primetime here, debate moderator extraordinary, rachel maddow. take a look at this. >> hello and welcome to msnbc, washington post democratic candidates debate. >> some of us are very happy to be here. i am rachel maddow here in atlanta georgia. >> senator harris has announced she's running for president of the united states. she's joining me now for the

interview. thank you so much for being here. >> it is great to be with you. >> how do you map that model of social change of the structure change that you say to an electoral campaign for president? >> i think it is there. i think that's what the moment is. >> joining us now for the interview is pete buttigieg. he's officially a candidate for president in the democratic primary. >> as of right now he's running to be a democratic nominee. god good to see you. wednesday the 18th of december. president donald trump is impeached. congratulations rachel for winning the year. i have about 10,000 notes for people all over the country telling me how much they love you and how you are keeping it insane. merry christmas and congratulations. >> up next, my panel will tell you who won the year in pop culture. you who won the year in pop culture.

from music to theater to the big screen and the small screen. this is an epic year in b entertainment. who really stood out in 2019? it is time to ask our panel, who won the year for entertainment? right here in front of us but since you are way over there. i am going to ask you first, who

won the year. >> i am appreciate going first. i have to read this name because i don't want to screw it up. it is the black women activist. the founder of #muterkelly. to silence him of alleged sexual abuse of girls and women. their goal was to get the black community to divest. they ended uplifting up, making sure the girls and women and making sure that he was held accountable. i want to pick them for what they have done this year, stories we have heard about r. kelly for decades. we are talking about brown and

black girls here. kudos to them for fighting for us. the movement have been amazing to watch. >> the me too movement although the hashtag was sounded by a black woman. r. kelly is the ultimate example, there is nobody that people careless about bla less girls. we know who he is and that story of him urinating on a 14 years old girl and everybody knew and people still considered buying his music. the d.j. were not allowed to play r. kelly. we knew who he was. >> for a long time but a lot of people stood by him. they wanted to say well, what about white people out there. go after them. why are you going after r. kelly? >> that's a good choice. >> jackie reed, you are in a

tough position. you have to beat that. >> that was just -- robert. >> the interview. >> it was a tough choice for me and i almost went with the surviving r. kelly documentary and ifrs thi was thinking aboute and "homecoming." i finally said you know it was "when they see us". it was something hard to watch. you had to watch it and if you have not seen it, you need to see it. for me personally, it was a sequel to her 13th documentary. we focus on the criminal justice system and she says in an interview and i thought this was so important. she said that it was not broken,

it was designed this way. these boys by the media and the police and d.a.'s office. she humanized them and she shows they were children going through this. for them, it was a such a moment. the man came forward and confessed, they were exonerated. there was a documentary. they got a settlement. they could not get jobs. >> karine, you and i talked about it the other day. i lived in new york and we didn't know them we didn't know the story. you said it took you a long time to watch it. >> that's exactly right. thanks for remembering that. it took me until the summer to watch it. as you know, i have a toddler and so it is hard to watch anything pretty serious outside of cartoons. i sat at the table in the middle

of the night and i literally could not stop crying. it hits you at home. if you grew up in new york. it just brings up all of those feelings. and those fears as well. >> some of the folks i think live in new york and folks that know history, they learn something. when you are her, great work and it is also teachable moment where you can teach the mass in acomfortable. >> i learn so much through the lens of these women and experts. >> it took me about three months to watch the whole thing >> i went to the premier. it was emotional. >> i cried through it. >> i thought what's fascinating was the conversations happening afterwards in that setting among

us. >> through that, it shows a lot of people around the world what we already knew. there are so many other central park and this could still happen today. >> that case is the reason i never watch "the apprentice." >> i was a teenager, that guy is crazy. >> until this day, he's still, you know, -- >> you will have a tough one, christopher. >> who won the year? >> this is much more light hearted, a lot more fun. i can't sing and have no hair. i do my hair tall -- that's miss lizzo. she represents so much when it comes to waiting for your moment and stepping into your moment. she put out her first album most folks don't know in 2013. it was not until 2019 that she became a house hhold name. she worked at this. she did "snl" and slayed "snl."

she broken all kinds of billboard records. and also in "hustlers," she is really a break out store. i love that she represents body parts and empowerment for women of all sizes and races and shapes. she's candid about battling depression. what is it like to be on skier a obscure and being a star like lizzo. >> she's seen as a star in the eye of beyonce and everybody when she's on stage. they want to see her. >> she's so humble. she's any best friend in my head. >> this has been a year and i think all of our pictures have showed what it has been for black media. >> and black women. >> and so my pick for who won the year is to me, sorry, the

best show other than the show. "watchmen," it is so smart and it opens with the 1921 massacre? oklahoma city. >> people don't know about it. >> black people on black wall street removing them. they go into take the idea of the super hero and infuses this great idea that a super hero has to be masked. who can do this openly in the world without being able to show their face and take the credit for? >> black people. >> it is sci-fi and it is hewlett packsuper hero and it is black romance. >> can we talk about yaya for a minute? >> that scene in the finale -- >> okurr. >> can we talk about the golden globe ignored everything we are talking about. >> it is so important as you

guys get ready to watch the show, viewers at home next month, there are only 90 critics that voted for the press. it is not a big body of people. 90 critics from 55 countries. it is important how we can think about how we reconfigure these voting bodies. when they see us and watching all these shows. >> all these films and tv show broke the internet. by the way, karine jean-pierre and i have off the books podcast. >> did you see "watchmen" this week? >> i have to rewatch it. it is so good. there are so many things you have to go back.

all the emmy awards, please. >> go ahead quickly karine. >> one thing listening to all of you and having different kf conversations of who won politics and culture, representation matters. i think about it all the time how important it is to have the lizzo and the squad and all the people, how important it is and especially little girls like mine who are growing up and watching. >> we may not have mainstream awards but we are opening door. >> y'all are so great. thank you very much. >> a special look of the five people who make "a.m. joy" happen happened. happen happened you only pay for what you need. wow. thanks, zoltar. how can i ever repay you? maybe you could free zoltar?

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it is the time of year when i want to take a moment to recognize the wonderful people who make "am joy"ncding this ye the makeup, and hair. makeup, a

>> y'all are amazing the glam squad, and also, the graphics with thomas evans and -- our amazing video editors katy, ralph, roy lynn. and our stage crew who move things around tim beck, and richard cliff, and hey, richard, and our amazing graphics playback is by michael va rock