the people to understand. that in the f war" he said that political battles are usually based on deception. i think that donald trump falls for deception that nancy pelosi is laying out there. for example, he thought, okay, good day, everyone. we are going to get articles of from msnbc world headquarters in impeachment, and they are going new york, it is high noon here to send them over to the senate, and pelosi had deceived them and in the east and 10:00 in the at every turn, he is going to be west. a stabbing attack has been made facing the principles of the "art of war." at a hanukkah celebration. so i think that if i were donald and what authorities are i sag abo -- are saying about the suspect. and what lies ahead on trump i would try to figure out capitol hill with the president's tweets and nancy what she is going to do next pelosi. all americans know that it because she is in complete is a fair trial to call your control of donald trump's mind. witnesses. >> i think that many positions >> extraordinary statement by many senators are calcified. there. and now, switching gears here, >> many of the witnesses the president has retweeted the testified under oath that there is no crime. >> the senate has the sole

responsibility for the trial, and we have a responsibility for identity of the whistle-blower, and the determination to break a fair trial. the law again makes him a >> the role of cash in the 2020 gangster in the white house as a race, whether it is the member of the house committee. messaging or the money that is keeping some candidates in the and as a member of homeland race. it is about to get ugly where you are, and we will tell you security, how concerning is this about the coast-to-coast storm for you the violation of the system bringing trouble to much of the nation. and two big breaking whistle-blower act. developments this hour from the knife attack in new york. the suspect is facing charges of >> this new party loyalty that five counts of attempted murder we are seeing is a dangerous and one count of burglary. he is accused of stabbing five substitute for a democratic people at a hanukkah celebration allegiance to the constitution. at a rabbi's home in a orthodox i think that republicans, and i have some people with whom i community. have a great deal of respect who aaron cohen described to reporters how he fought for his understand that by seeing that life. >> i saw him walking in by the tweet that it is wrong. door. i asked who was coming in, and it is dangerous, and yet, they in the middle of tonight with are falling right into the whole the umbrella. conspiracy of silence. while i said that, he pulled it out from the thing, and he i think that donald trump is

started running to the big room which is on the left side. going to continue to violate the law no matter what we do, so we might as well do the right and i threw a table at him and thing, and try to stop it, and with all of the energy that i told him to get out of here. have, and i think that we have a the guy was bleeding here and brilliant strategist in nancy pelosi, and the leadership team bleeding on his hands, all over. of the caucus, and i think that i ran into the other room, american people want a trial, because i tried to save my life. and they want witnesses. >> frightening. well, the new york governor if i had done something wrong, and somebody said, look, what do andrew cuomo spoke twice this you want? i have not done anything wrong. morning calling the attack an i want every witness you can bring, because i want to be american cancer. >> i think this that this is an completely vindicated and to say that i don't want the witnesses act of terrorism. i think that these are domestic to come in is almost a terrorists. they are trying to inflict fear. statement, i'm guilty. >> all right. they are motivated by hate. congressman emanuel cleaver, and i wish you as well a very happy they are doing mass attacks. new year and we will see you in 2020 and thank you for your these are terrorists. time. >> sure. happy new year to you. and investing your money, the growing divide of the 2020 >> this is the ninth possible race and the billionaire candidates and what it mean anti-semitic attack in the greater new york area in two weeks. we go now to the scene to follow norse democratmeans for the democratic party. means fo the democratic party. the latest on the story.

how do we get back to "us"? kathy, have you heard exactly the y fills the gaps. what is being done? >> alex, it is under and bridges our divides. donate to your local y today. investigation, but there is growing concern that is what because where there's a y, there's an us. took place here at the rabbi's home, and lot of questions. this is still very much a developing story, but this is what we know. it happened last night around 10:00, and it was the seventh night of hanukkah and dozens of people were in the home behind me, and a man, a masked man with a large knife came barreling through, and then started attacking people at random, and one of the individuals who was actually inside of the home was joseph and he spoke to us and told us that he just attacked people at random. >> he came out of the door with

a big sword, machete or whatever it was, and he pulled it out of the holster and started hitting people in the face, and then ran into dining room and started to hit a few people there, and then he went into the kitchen, and that is why he was in dining room, and most of the people were about 60 people ran out of the side door to the kitchen to the back porch. i troo id to help some people from the back porch, and tried now to the major winter to push the killer into the storm that is making travel a door. i ran around the building to the perilous misadventure in the parts of the northern plains and front, and i went inside of the the midwest. heavy snow, ice, strong windstr rabbi's house from the front, and i tried to help the old guy who was hit in his head, and tracking the storm for us is blood was streaming down from his head. janessa webb, and janessa, to he said that i told him, come, come out, and he said, "no, i you. >> alex, this massive storm is continuing to brew, and we are can't i'm bleeding." talking about nearly 20 inches of snow forecasted for southern i told him to come back, and the minnesota, and also the ice guy started to come back and i layer is a huge issue, and this told him to go under the table, but he said he couldn't. is going to continue to stretch from the great lakes to the so i hoped that the guy would northeast.

if you are in areas of the northeast, you will start to run after me and leave him note this wintry precipitation, alone, and he didn't. so then i came back in and took and to enter later tonight, and the winter weather advisories a small coffee tabled and and the blizzard watch is issued smashed him into the head. if you can zoom into the and the ice warnings are going to be in place for the next day remnants of the kcoffey table and a half as this storm system there on the floor. is going to make its way and then he did not run, but through, and the timing is very important, and snow continues quickly big husky guy. for the northeast. and also, we have not talked about the severe weather threat for the south from nashville to >> so you could identify him? memphis where a squall line is going to continue to persist, >> he had the face cover and and new york, from boston to started to walk this way to the synagogue, and i said, everybody connecticut, and we will see the away, he is coming, run out, run major icing around and the forecast is going to cost for up out of harm's way. and people ran. >> he walked towards the to half an inch up to northern synagogue. >> he saw that it was locked and people ran in and locked the new england where we could see 6 to 8 inches and door and went to next door of the synagogue and saw it was possible delays which is going locked and he went to the car. to continue into monday. alex. i didn't know where he would go. >> we a thank you, janessa. but i was afraid he would come and now, a suspect in a back and i didn't know if anybody was there to lock the door so i started to screaming stabbing attack in monsey, new

"move, move, move." york, has plead not guilty, and so he started to drive away and this is after the nypd has i got the license plate number, stepped up patrols in the jewish and i called 911 and reported neighborhoods following eight it. any questions? >> you said there were people in anti-semitic attacks this month there that were kids? alone. joining us is the director of >> people zero to 75 in the the community affairs for the house. >> and a young man injured badly new york chapter of the in the 20s as he tried to fight ofthere, and other people anti-defamation league. i am so sorry for what has been happening here, and it has been a violent month for the jewish were throwing the chairs at the community. attacker, and the we had december 10th, and two attacker, but he was pretty injured, and the rabbi was shooters killed three people in the kosher supermarket in jersey injured. he also tried to hit him. city. and then there were three more what is going through your mind attacked guys. when you are seeing the attacks two of them are in critical and how fearful is the jewish condition. one was the declared black that community overall? >> what is going through my mind is enough is enough. by the ministry and he is now when is this going to change and having an operation and hopefully he is going to be we batton together to make a fine. >> and you responded quickly change. i two weeks ago had to stand at that you were able to write down the site of another shooting and

the license number of the hateful incident. suspect and they used the information. it is beyond the pale. >> thank god. i don't know why i did it. >> i cannot imagine. thank god. >> and how are you doing today, i know that the new york governor andrew cuomo promised sir? >> fine. shocked. to punish the suspect with the i don't know. fullest extent of the law. this is what he said, sir. maybe it will hit me later. >> this is an act of terrorism, >> okay. and these are domestic well, we appreciate your time, terrorists. they are trying to inflict fear. joseph, and alex, the community they are motivated by hate. here is still very much in shock like joseph. they are doing mass attacks. there is a spate of anti-semitic these are terrorists. attacks for a couple of weeks now, and the officials have not >> you want these attacks stopped. released the official motive they should be stopped. behind this attack, and that is what can the federal government, still very much an ongoing new york government or any state governments do to help bring investigation, and the suspect we know very few details about that about? that man as well. >> whatever the qualification alex? >> i have to tell you, kathy. is, we can't arrest our way out mr. gluck, what a remarkable of this. there needs to be meaningful accounting of things, and change from the ground-up from the education side of things, chilling and heart braeblging a -- heartbreaking, and we are and inoculating hate in our certainly happy that he helped

society, and helping kids so many people out of harm's unlearn the hate if they have learned it already, but also, of way. and now, more on the course, to bringing the accused and those suspected of these impeachment trial and more of how and if the articles of things to the full extent of the impeachment will make it into law, and the consequences of the the senate as the house speaker law. >> you mentioned the children, nancy pelosi delays the and it is gut-wrenching to hear delivery. the eyewitness there who was a >> i think that she has been clear that there is going to be a trial, and so, yes, smee is hero joseph gluck talk about going to be sending over the articles of impeachment. children from zero the adults of 75 in that group home there with as of right now, we are engaged in this conversation about the the rabbi behind them, and what importance of being able to call they witnessed is heartbreaking. witnesses. look, we saw not that long ago the guardian angels, the unarmed group promised to patrol the more documents surfaced out of jewish neighborhoods following the white house from michael the series of attacks, and what duffey, one of the folks at omb, is your thought on that, and and very close to the president, what can make jewish communities safer and what can individuals and to mick mulvaney, and that is just highlights the do? >> i think that every single importance of the access to this evidence and documents. person needs to say it stops >> as for time line, congressman here, and everyone needs to band together to do their part. dan kill di dee said that nancy it is up to every single one of us to do this to stop it. pelosi may need until february if you see somebody yelling a to nail down the details of the slur on the streets, stop it. trial, and meantime, the need

become a common ally. for a fair trial is causing more if you see somebody painting a hateful symbol, stop them. democrats and republicans to whatever the root or the point fingers. >> i think that the positions of ideology from the left, the many are calcified. right or the middle or whatever the religion is against, hate is i can only speak for me. hate, and it has to be stopped i will keep an open mind and i by every single one of us. want to be fair to both sides. and i think that role that every when i thought that the house person needs to internalize. proceedings were unnecessarily it is fundamental. we all need to become allies in unfair and when the american the fight against hate. people walk away from the senate >> amen to that, alexander trial, if we ever have one, i don't want them saying, well, we rosemberg, as you get through were run over by the same truck this challenging time. twice. >> you don't go through the i hope that 2020 is better for first part of the house and tee it up for a senate process with you. so let's turn to 2020 as we a guy that is having the ability inch closer to the primary for to orchestrate the entire senate the democrats. and now the new target is the trial saying that the whole thing is bake and cooked and there is nothing that anybody millionaires. i sat down to talk to tom can do about it. >> all of this is happening steyer, one of the two while the members of congress billionaires and i asked him if have more than a week left in he has more license to be in the the winter break and return from race than some of the other the recess on january 7th. democratic counterparts who this as the president tries to dropped out because they lacked elicit a response from nancy funding. >> the question for every single

pelosi after numerous tweets and candidate in the race including me is if you have a message that is different from everybody prodding the speaker asking if else. are you saying something nancy has any answers. different, does it resonate with wes nichols who is in the american people, with the democratic primary voters and do they trust you the car i are out florida where the president has what you are talking about. been vacationing. >> and join meg to discuss it is and the rants have been met with absolute silence from the spokesperson for hillary speaker, right? clinton, and philippe who is >> yes, and the president is trying to goad house speaker nancy pelosi into a response, and in a lot of ways, alex, this is similar to the last three or former spokesperson for mitt four days, and the president is taking to twitter to air the romney. it is messaging or money that grievances and attack house keeps candidates like tom in the speaker nancy pelosi, and the race. one difference today and >> well, it is everything. the idea that tom steyer or mike something new from what we heard bloomberg is doing something at from congressman steve scalise odds with the democratic intent is that the two in the house, and goal for 2020 and the two the close ally of the president people who are the two and he seems to be suggesting individuals who are most that pelosi is not playing supportive of the democratic causes in 2018 in terms of fairly by not transmitting the taking back the house and trying articles. have a listen. to take back the senate were tom steyer and mike bloomberg. >> it is not like some mechanism if you don't like them, don't that she can control. vote for them.

the house passed it, and she is carrying on her own quid pro quo ross per root was a billionaired acting as if she can he could not buy his way in, and donald trump, don't get me started. controlling? if you are looking at how many taxes they do or do not play, the senate. then look at howard schultz who had more money than god, but he could not click his wallet into winning. he saw that there was no path, i believe the longer she keeps and the voters made it clear and he is not running. this up ensures an acquittal. >> but within the circle if you >> so there is pressing will, the messaging from say, senators bernie sanders and frustration which is to withhold elizabeth warren on the articles of impeachment billionaires, is that effective until she gets asurance that or dividing the democratic party, philippe? >> within the democratic party, there is going to be a fair it is effective, because you are talking about the most liberal trial. and this is because an acquittal of the electorate, and if nine months from now, one of the two is pretty ordaleiordain, and th were nominee and going after wealth and rich people and what he is saying and today is whether that is another element different, because you have that president trump is using to republicans reflecting say that they are socialist frustration with the strategy of

the house speaker nancy pelosi. communists is part of the alex? equation, and most of all, >> absolutely. people should look at mike hans nichols, thank you so much, and we will speak to you again. bloomberg and tom steyer and >> joining me is mother jones say, can these two help right what is wrong, andbased on that and if mike bloomberg is able to do that, then we should be very report reporter, joanna, and charlie, happy, because he has a lot of reporter from the hill, and we money, and he can outspend the are seeing the tweet storms from the president. >> well, it is certainly looking republicans, and so the circular argument of we don't want to like trump is trying to take people from everyone, and the guy that is self-financing, you can't say, oh, god, he associate her publicly with the shouldn't be in the race. >> and tulsi gabbard is saying imaging of the big cities on the that out on the campaign trail that it will embolden the coast and retweeting the video president, and do you feel, from a right wing propaganda lauren, that the president is emboldened or may if he is network with a discredited acquitted in the senate? >> you know, i don't think it is theory that her son is connected to ukraine? the right thing to this, but i feel that he is feeling how, and then her response would become a real story, and her emboldened and looking at the strategy is to just ignore it campaign trail, and the rallies when se talking about the and not feed it oxygen. impeachment, he gets a huge rise out of the crowd. but this is notwithstanding the

so i think that she is right mitch mcconnell narrative that about that, and the impeachment will fire up both the pelo republicans and the democrats heading into 2020. the question is what is the timing look like for that. and that is maybe one of the pelosi's threat that she may not reasons that you will see speaker pelosi stalling, because ever send over the articles and she may want it to go longer so that impeachment is more top of mind when people go to vote in so that he can claim vindication the fall. >> so philippe, we ask you in and have an impasse. terms of firing up the >> i am curious about, speaking democrats, will that fire up the democrats if the president is acquitted? >> i think that everyone is pretty fired up these days on both sides, and the way, and one way to look at it is 2018, and don't forget that the kavanaugh hearing and nomination and the vote was only a month before the 2018 midterms and it did not, and you can make an argument that it helped her, and we took abo about the speaker's silence, and back the house, so the notion this a function of the style or that people have this ultimate the personality? i mean she doesn't seem to make endless ceiling of how much they can be upset about what is going a step or lack thereof without on is strange. to go back to tulsi gabbard for some calculation. >> yeah, we have seen time and

a moment, and yet another again that pelosi is a top notch instance of hypocrisy and everybody is voting on the two strategi strategist in a political arena, votes where she cowardly voted and she is, you know, for better present rather than one way or another, but five weeks before, or worse, she is the democrat that we see opposite of trump, she voted in favor of the vote and the one who has the most power to stand up to him. to formalize the impeachment so i think that there is surely inquiry and the reasoning makes calculation there. if you are looking at pelosi's no sense that impeachment is going to absolutely without a twitter feed there is a video doubt lead to acquittal in the pretty high up there that lays senate, and why did she vote for out the case for impeachment it in the first place if she with the star witnesses and clips of what they said. really believes it is a no-win political situation. >> well, you would have to ask so her office is staying on the message here, and saying, these her. and in the meantime, ivanka are the facts, and this is what trump was asked a question on the witnesses have said, and you know, really reinforcing the "face the nation" and if she was idea that she believes and the interested in running for office democrats believes that the case one day, and this is what she for impeachment is very strong said about this. >> gosh, you know, for me, it's, whereas you have the republicans basically saying the opposite, um, the politics is to me, less no case and they don't want to end is it over. i also think it speaks to the savvy here knowing that trump interesting, and the policy and would be on vacation over the the impact of lifting holidays in florida, and sort of communities and changing stewing and unable to sort of people's lives, and the stories control himself here. that i have heard from the so if she was trying to elicit a

people that i have met across little bit of mania and paranoia this nation are just amazing. it is really energizing. of the president, i think that she succeeded. >> charlie, we heard congressman i'm deeply passionate, but the steve scalise saying that the senate is going to conduct a day i walk into the west wing fair trial and it is going to and i don't feel a shiver up my end in an acquittal, and how can that be fair when the spine, is the davie been here republicans are stating the outcome of the trial before the too long. >> so lauren, she did not official start of the process, and i don't recall democratic exactly say no, and what did you make of that? >> no, she didn't. leadership predicting the if you are looking among the outcome, and yes, presumption, but even mitch mcconnell says republican base of women, she is pretty popular, and she is that this trial is going to end in acquittal. towing a pretty careful line to >> i mean, that is a matter of real politic. you would have to be naive to have her own voice within the administration, and championing not understand that this is a policies, you know for women, political process, and we are in and equal pay and things like that, and so, look, it is fun to a harden and polarized time of speculate for this stuff for part san loyalties with, and sure, and i think it is possible. you can never tell, but we know therefore, absent some that in american politic, people extraordinary shift, and some event that breaks that love political dynasties and especially looking at the calcification, that senator democratic side of the aisle, kennedy was talking about, and and so it is anybody's guess, that is going to be the result but she has done pretty well to if and when this trial happens

distance herself from, you know, her father, and especially the and republicans get a chance to language that he uses and vote to side with the president everything like that, and to try trump, it is just true and it is to make her own brand within the not a trial like happens in a administration which is no easy court. it is a political event. feat to be honest. >> and to that end, char i l >> and in terms of the listen to what the democrats are speculation, there is new reporting in politico about saying, that there is no such thing as a fair trial without witness testimonies. listen to. this congresswoman alexandria ocasio cortez, and it is saying that she is a supercharged surrogate >> we need to hear from those who have the direct information about the president's call with of bernie sanders and a nod for her to make a presidential bid, the president of ukraine about the holding up of a presidential and is that what is down the road, ivanka trump and meeting and holding ing up of and those witnesses need to be alexandria ocasio cortez. heard in the united states >> well, first, let me say about senate. that is a part of fair trial. ivanka, that you have to have a >> we are focusing on the fair spine to feel shivers going up trial, and all americans means and down for it. and alexandria ocasio cortez is great for the party and whipping that a fair trial means that you people up, and that is who she can call your witnesses, and is is, and if she were 35 right senator mcconnell, the leader now, people would say jump in. trying to rig the trial right if i did the math right, she is from the start, and working in 35 and three months come lock step with the president's lawyers or going tole allow a inauguration day. but talking about the people fair trial. if you have a rigged trial, jumping in, and i don't want to

there is no exoneration or freak out lauren for google her, but she worked for kelly ayotte acquittal. >> and charlie, the issue of calling the witnesses, and this is the sticking point, right? the former senator from new do you think that the democrats are going to get their way? hampshire, and she tried to take will there be witnesses? a stance against donald trump compromise, or limited and say that she would vote for the republican, but not endorse witnesses? is that possible? >> well, it turns on what a him, and it was a difficult period and she didn't thread the handful of independent-minded needle and she lost. here we are two years later and moderate republican senators are willing to do. people are talking about running mitch mcconnell is just one vote of 100 in this situation and he for office like ivanka, and is not acting as the senate basically her father has made it majority leader able to impossible for people particularly women to be in unilaterally able to deny it congress and to vote their from a floor hearing and if you conscious, because he just have senator murkowski or a snuffs people out when there is senator collins from maine, and any kind of daylight between him a few others, you will have a and them, and with aoc, and senate who wants to call the imagine aoc on a debate stage witnesses that the house was blocked from hearing. with anybody, and i have never the john boltons and the mick seen anyone including my boss, mulvaneys and the pompeos, et my former bosses or anyone twice cetera, and then there could be new information to come out to her age who handles the republicans better than she shift the calcified alignment does. just on twitter. that i discussed a moment ago. she'd win alone.

>> well, you can discuss it and that is why the republicans don't want to hear from the further, and i will wrap it up witnesses, because the status that both of those ladies have quo is an acquittal for trump, talents in different areas, and and we will see how many we will leave it there. republican senators are willing and happy new year, and we will see you soon. to risk what might happen if >> now, the implications of the people who have information has national security and protection not been presented yet is able laws after the president tweeted to come forward. and retweeted the post and made >> and time frame, pemba? the whistle-blower's identity public. ntity public. you have heard congressman ben van holland that it is going to only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ move ahead, but no word on when that will happen, but do you have a sense convention wise? >> well, we have another week before the congress is back in washington and i expect that there is going to be some, you know, continued negotiations at that point. so, yeah, not until, you know, later in january and maybe february we heard, but i absolutely expect they will move to the senate, and that we will have a trial at some point. i ultimately think that, you know, as much as trump wants to

hurry up to be acquitted that democrats want that spectacle of the trial put on trial in the senate, and that ultimately both sides have an interest in having this play out. >> all right. thank you both. happy new year's, and we have a lot to talk about in the next year, and we will see you soon to do that. thank you. >> and on the 2020 trail, and why democrats say that they need to look in the mirror for thet bale of the white house, and also a question put to ivanka trump that might make her critics shutter. p that might m critics shutter. what even is this? it looks like cheese but it smells like barf. with tide pods, you don't need to worry. the pre-treaters are built in. so you just toss them in before the clothes. tide pods dissolve even when the water is freezing. nice! if it's got to be clean, it's got to be tide. you get more than yourfree shipping.ir, you get everything you need for it wouldn't surprise me if

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institutions. >> but, howell, i have to dig further into this, because, look, the president has not verbally uttered any unsubstantiated name of the whistle-blower, but he shared it with 68 million followers on twitter. and is there a difference there, and you they the president has the legal right to reveal the name if he wants to, but is the president then also violating the protection laws of outing the whistle-blower? >> i have read several pretty good articles on the legality and the consensus among the senior scholarly legal community seems to be that he has not violated any law. he might be subject to some civil prosecution down road. >> hmm. >> but he has i think violated the intent of the congress in while presidential hopefuls trying to create a protected are looking to take on trump in zone for whistle-blowers. the democratic election, andrew >> okay. but, can i just ask you about yang criticized the party for the social media.

i mentioned 68 million focusing too much on president trump. take a listen. followers, and has this changed the way that we communicate? i mean, do you think that anyone >> democrats have not asked a envisioned the president of the hard question of how donald united states to use that trump won in 2016, and the platform to communicate white democratic party is house policy or the spread of unfortunately acting like donald trump is the cause of all of our attacks, and misinformation and problems, and he is a symptom, conspiracy theorys to the world? and we need to cure the >> no, i don't underlying disease. >> joining us is the congressman from missouri emanuel cleeb cle anticipated that, alex, and the context is very important when you are talking about the pow over these tweets. and so i am curious what you had to react to andrew yang's comments. is he the cause or the symptom? >> well, donald trump has caused problems in the country, and we if there is a weapon invented, whether it's a newspaper ad or a will suffer the aftermath for tv ad that someone will use it generations unborn, but it is in the most destructive way possible. dangerous for us as democrats to so, this is nuclear powered say, let's dismiss donald trump and focus on all of the issues defamation we're talking about. >> yeah, that's a good way to put it. listen, i have to ask you, on facing america. i can't give you a single issue the flip side because it can be

that congress needs to deal with argued this way, publishers, for whether it is climate change or trying to raise the standard of example, have always presented news from a particular point of living for most americans that view. can you offer any kind of donald trump is not involved. and so i think that we have got analysis between the difference between what we see in the trump to tell the truth about what impeachment era and what, say, donald trump is doing to ben bradlee did at the helm of american people. i don't think that we should "the washington post" during the waller around all day long nixon impeachment? saying donald trump, donald trump, but i that ignoring donald trump is a >> gee, that's a deep and important question -- healthy way of winning the next >> that's deep, yeah. >> -- for the media -- the old election. >> hmm, well, it is hard anothe saying is the newspaper is most useful to the person who owns one. candidate tulsi gabbard saying but i think the ben bradlee era when you look at the times or the more conservative that she thinks that it will publications like "the wall street journal," the chicago only embolden him with this papers, the media operated off a impeachment process. common set of values and >> it will not remove him from patriotic ideals. office, and americans have and now we're doing a powerful stated clearly they will not vote him from office, and the result is that then trump is communications media that has no going to go to the rallies and give speeches and saying, hey, i filters, no professional standards, no columbia school of went through the process, and journalism of the internet.

i'm innocent. the support will likely so, i think we have to live with the anxieties and ambiguities of increase. still being early days of an >> i am curious, are you agreeing with her, and he is uncharted revolutionary going to become more emboldened and i should note that you landscape. >> howell, well said. tabled two resolutions before voting to impeach two weeks ago. >> look, donald trump is going claim innocence even if moses and jeremiah and elijah stand up happy new year. primaries in the key states next. y new year. primaries in the key states next and on clouds and say that he is guilty. he will go out to next rally and say, you know, the great prophets just proclaimed me to be innocent. i mean, we won't stop that. so, i think that what we have to do is to understand that there is some constitutional loyalty that we must express, and that is we cannot allow a person to blatantly violate the laws of the land, and somehow just the doctor's office might mejust for a shot.o remain quiet and pas zi. but why go back there i mean, that is dangerous to a when you can stay home

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that's what mayor pete is about to do now. he's about to start a town hall meeting here in knoxville, iowa. it's one of the several stops that he's been having through central iowa. and when you talk to voters, you get a sense that this is really a wide open race. yes, mayor pete is leading in the average of polls but there are plenty of voters who are undecided here and plenty of

voters who have made a decision and -- or who have made a preference but they they're making a final decision. mayor pete starting to draw a few distinctions between a few candidates. yesterday pushing back on the medicare for all proposal. and also today he went after vice president joe biden on iowa tv. listen to a little bit of what he had to say. >> i certainly respect the vice president, but this is an example of why years in washington is not always the same thing as judgment. he supported the worst foreign policy decision made by the united states in my lifetime, which was the decision to invade iraq. >> reporter: that is a point the senator bernie sanders makes on the campaign trail as well. you see as we get closer to the iowa caucuses, closer to the primary contests, the candidates starting to draw those distinctions a little more clearly. >> shaq, you're getting darn

good at modulating your voice with the live events going on behind you. and also relaying all the information we need. thank you, shaq, for that. he cannot resist. up next, president trump's latest tweeting and targeting with impeachment dominating his thoughts. with impeachment dominating his thoughts ♪

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we're going right now to hans nichols from the pentagon about deadly attacks in iraq. what do you know about this? >> reporter: what the pentagon is saying, according to associated press, an official statement from the pentagon, these were defensive attacks in iraq and they were in retaliation for an incident that happened on friday when a u.s. military contractor was killed in a barrage in the city of kirkuk. that's in northern iraq with a lot of oil fields there. the u.s. is going after what's called a pfm, private military forces. they say these are iranian-backed militia. they have a lot of say throughout iraq. some support the current government in baghdad. what's interesting here and what we don't know is whether or not the u.s. military got the green light from the government in baghdad, from iraqi forces, to go after this group. when i read this statement, it looked like there were two sides they went after in iraq and one this syria and they were limited

in nature. the key question, is this a message to iran, have they started more attacks inside iraq to grab u.s.'s attention. crucially, what was the coordination, if any at all between the united states military that has around 5,000 troops in iraq and the iraqi government. another added to that is why didn't the iraqi government go after these troops, while did the u.s. feel they had to go up against this militia. developing story. we'll know more in a little bit and come back to you. >> real quick, i want to confirm. i'm getting news on this as you are as well. these are strikes in iraq and syria. you describe them accurately as precision defensive strikes so they're going after military bases, right, weapons depots, that kind of thing. >> reporter: right. >> reporter: potentially. i didn't see that in the debrief i saw briefly. there are all of these

iranian-backed militia that have a wide berth in both countries. they were used by the iraqi government when isis was still lodged in cities like mosul. the private military forces shg those militias were part of going after isis. now, they -- we know there's always been iranian influence and some iranian control. the question really is, do they have command and control, because that gets into the really prospect the united states military thinks this is an irany proxy force directly targeting, in this case a military installation in kirkuk where a u.s. military contractor lost his life on friday. it's an escalation. we know in the past the president with iran has raised the temperature and lowered it. you'll recall in late june the president announced, unbeknownst to anyone that the iranians hit down a u.s. drone in the strait of hormuz. as the president said u.s.

military forces were locked and loaded to go after iran and he called back that mission. this is an escalation in a part of the world that's very complicated and where there are great pressures on some of the parties, especially with those biding sanctions on iran. >> absolutely. you're there covering the president. it stands to reason the president would have had to sign off on an attack like this. is that the protocol? >> reporter: it depends. the language they use with these attacks was defensive in nature. what the white house will tell you and international lawyers, and if there international lawyers listening, they may criticize this but there's something called the inherent right to self-defense. usually you don't need higher-up authorities to approve the action you're taking. now, given the sensitivity of this, a, you're attacking syria, b, attacking inside of iraq where you are there as a guest of the iraqi government, i would

suspect this went further up the chain of command. also given the delay, right? this rocket attack happened on friday. now we're into sunday to potentially 48 hours later. it wasn't this immediacy you sometimes get with this self-defense doctrine. the statement i had from a chief spokesperson at the pentagon suggests these were defensive in nature. that is a legal indication that -- or legal argument they're using on why they did this. >> hans, given your beat right now covering the president, let's talk about the president and his real tweet storm. is that evidence that he's feeling the heat from nancy pelosi and democrats over impeachment? he seems to be lashing out pretty continuously even though he's on holiday? >> reporter: yeah. we've seen this consistent pattern from the president where he's really gone after house speaker nancy pelosi. in some places he's amplified his attacks, retweeted his own

tweets. he's suggested she should be focusing on the homeless problem in san francisco, in california. he wants to draw attention to it. what we saw earlier today on the talk shows was we saw steve scalise, a close ally of the republican, of the president, number two republican in the house, expressing his frustration that pelosi hasn't acted yet. in some some ways scalise is giving voice to what we see in the president's tweets. that is, he wants to move on to the next level, that is scalise. scalise says, in part, they know as it stands right now, the president would be acquitted in the senate. alex? >> hans nichols, can i just say, perfect marriage of your experience at the pentagon covering that, knowing all of the background and details and bringing that to this breaking news story. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. both hats you're wearing today.

notwithstanding the news from iraq and syria, but with regard to the president's tweets against speaker nancy pelosi, what does it signal to you? >> this indicates impeachment is still very much at the very front of mind for the president, even after a bit of pause and the macinations. he went after the speaker, talking about the trouble in her district. that's a strategy he's used to go after other members, blaming them for some of the challenges their districts face. we're seeing him appear to try to provoke her in a way that is consistent with a way he goes after all sorts of folks who criticize him, particularly, of course, women who criticize him. >> interesting. with regard to nancy pelosi, she seems to be ignoring him so far.

she sent out that tweet conde condemning the knife attack in new york but nothing beyond that. is she making a point not to respond to the president. >> it's hard to see it as anything other than not a political engage when you have the president going after you over multiple days over a long holiday. the pelosi has had to walk a challenging line since the house flipped in 2018 because she's simultaneously wanted to take care of her base, satisfy those who took control of the house while also shoring up support for the many moderate freshmen democrats who won in districts that trump had won in 2016 and who don't necessarily benefit from the party defining itself in opposition to trump. for those members who ultimately consider themselves predominantly responsible for

the fact that the house flips, their hope is that the party be seen not as opposing trump but in terms of its larger goals and policy returning in over a week but do you have any insight into what lawmakers on both sides are trying to do to break this impasse, to move the articles from the house, from speaker pelosi's office to the upper chamber? >> i chatted with a republican source earlier this morning who's had a lot of visibility into the process. what republicans are going to be saying is ultimately it's nancy pelosi's decision as to when to hand over those articles of impeachment, when to name the impeachment managers, those responsible for detailing the case, and republicans say the ball is basically in pelosi's court when it comes to this. one interesting challenge is the question of witnesses. will the senate call in new witnesses who didn't speak to the house and how much pressure

might pelosi and chuck schumer try to put on mitch mcconnell to have broader latitude, to bring in witnesses they want to hear from. the argument you'll hear from republicans is it's the house's responsibility and not the senate's to do the fact-finding mission of the impeachment process. and that if house democrats or senate democrats had wanted to hear from people in trump's inner circle including john bolton and mike pompeo, that they should have brought those witnesses in during the house process and should have slowed down the process in the house. that's an argument you can expect to hear republicans make. senate democrats are likely to make the case that they aren't going to have a totally full transparent view of the situation precipitating trump's impeachment unless they can hear from the vital voices who so far have stiff-armed their democratic colleague in the house. >> good to talk to you. have a good 2020.

>> see you next decade. part partisan battle lines are talking about a fair impeachment trial. >> we need to hear from those who have direct information call with the president of ukraine about the holding up of a presidential meeting, about holding up of aid. those witnesses need to be heard in the united states senate. i think that's a minimum for a fair trial in the united states senate. >> it's our duty to turn it over. it's not like some mechanism she can control. the house passed it. the senate will conduct a fair trial. i have confidence in mitch mcconnell doing that. >> with me now, sara farris from politico. i know you have lawmakers promising a fair trial, that you've heard about. democrats say, no way, not without witness testimony. they want to hear from a number of white house officials. how are do you see this playing

out? >> the biggest challenge is for democrats to convince republicans they should allow new evidence, new witnesses, basically continuing off what house democrats -- the case the house already made. and for republicans who for -- throughout this entire process have dismissed the merits of this investigation, i see there is really no wre going to have any chance of new witnesses coming in. even over this weekend we saw republicans like senator ted cruz suggesting that they might want t hunter biden, they might want to bring in the whistle-blower. this is not something i can see senate majority leaders mitch mcconnell going for. >> do you see no room for compromise? >> i do not think there's going to be republicans agreeing to have these witnesses come in. they don't want to give democrats the talking points, saying, we think your investigation has merit. let's bring in these other witnesses. they don't want to be unraveling this case in the senate during the trial. they want to put an end to this.

they want to acquit donald trump as quick as possible. and both party leaders in the senate, honestly, have reason to want to have this over with. they have campaigns to run. there's a lot going on in 2020. they don't want to see this drag out for months and months. that's for both democrats and republicans in the senate. >> you heard congressman scalise say he's certain the president will be acquitted, same with mitch mcconnell, so is a fair trial even possible? >> this really is a more partisan process than we've ever seen. even in bill clinton's impeachment in the '90s. we did see a bipartisan agreement of the parameters of what that would look like. heading into this process, there was some expectation that democrats and republicans could reach some sort of agreement. that is gone. we are still waiting several weeks after the house actually impeached to see what this trial will look like. i think this is a far more kals fied partisan process than even we were expecting a couple weeks ago. so, this is just something i think is -- we're not going to

see a lot of cooperation between the two parties on this. >> as we all kind of await with the expectation of when these articles move to the senate, we heard congressman dan kilde say the speaker might need to wait until february to send these articles forward. is that a realistic timeline, waiting until february? >> i don't think we'll be waiting quite that long. nancy pelosi's aides back if late december after the house actually impeached the president were suggesting it could happen in early january. this is not something that the speaker is interested in having drag out. she has a faction of her caucus, about three dozen democrats who are in trump-won districts in 2016. this is a very powerful group in the house that, of course, they're necessary to having democrats keep the house. they want to go back talking about trade, prescription drugs. they do not want to see impeachment spill into is the spring, let alone a trial that could last through the summer.

the political risk of having this spill into february of even transmitting the articles over to the senate is something the speaker will be -- will be hard-pressed to actually let that happen. >> sarah ferris, thank you for that. i the last h you a happy new hour. the suspect in that stabbing attack at a rabbi's home in new york last night has pleaded not guilty to five counts of attempted murder. one victim is still in critical condition with a skull fracture. they had gathered for hanukkah celebrations. let's go to kathy park following the latest on all this. we heard a pretty chilling account of everything from the guest you had the last hour, and he spoke about that man who is in critical condition right now who has a skull fracture. he said he tried to move him.

he was bleeding profusely. it was absolutely chilling. what have you uncovered about the suspect? >> reporter: yeah, so joseph gluk was inside this home behind me. this is the home of the rabbi. there's a synagogue next door. it was the seventh night of hanukkah. dozens of people were inside. around 10:00, according to a lot of witnesses who were out here, they said he just stormed through, his face was covered, he had a large knife with him and then began attacking people randomly. the age rage of the people inside, young, children to an older gentleman, one who is injured is in his 70s. a wide range of people inside this home at the time. let's hear a little more about what experienced. >> we finished candlelight ceremony. we were headed into the

synagogue for the meal. he came in with a knife, machete. pulled it out from the holder and started wielding it at people and then ran into the dining room, hit a few people there, then went into the kitchen. i tried to help some people move out and i grabbed the kids and pushed them to the door. then we all ran down. i ran around the building to the front. i went into the rabbi's home from the front. the man hit in the head, bloodstreblood streaming from his head. i said, come out. he said, i can't, i'm bleeding. he's an old handicapped guy. then the guy started coming back. i told him, go under the table. he said, i can't. i ran out. i hope the guy ranz after me. i open the door back. i took a small coffee table by the door and smashed him into

his head. >> reporter: so, you heard there several people tried to stop the attacker but eventually he moved over to the synagogue. fortunately, all the doors were locked so he -- >> i think we, unfortunately, lost kathy park's audio from monsey, new york. a terrifying story there. we go from there to another one. in is breaking news out of a community known as white settlement. it very close to ft. worth, texas. we are getting word there had been an active threat shooter in the church, which is called the west freeway church of christ. this was reported some -- well, looks like about 40 minutes ago local time there in texas, at 11:20 a.m. the good news we have is this is no longer an active threat situation. we are trying to confirm reports

of injuries. we're keeping a very close eye on this through our affiliate kxas in texas. in white settlement, texas, very near to ft. worth, reports of an active threat at the west freeway church of christ. it has now been settled. there's some good news there, it's no longer an active threat and officials are on the scene. we'll try to get the details of that and share them with you on nbc from one terrible story to the next there. meantime, word from a leading democrat that house speaker nancy pelosi might not release the articles of impeachment for at least another month. we'll talk about that with the lawmaker who has led the charge on impeachment coming your way next. on impeachment coming youry next ♪

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i think she's been very clear, there will be a trial. yes, she will be sending over the articles of impeachment. i think right now we're engaged in this conversation about the importance of being able to call witnesses. >> democratic senator chris van holland talking about the status of the articles of impeachment. joining me now, democratic congressman al green. welcome back to the forecast. i wonder if you agree with the senator and if you have any indication on when the articles might finally be delivered to the senate. >> thank you for having me. and if i may say, my sympathy and condolences to those persons

harmed in violence in various religious places. let me start with this. i think it is important to demand a fair trial. i think that that's what's expected, but i also believe we have to be careful that we don't allow the moral imperative high ground to stand out to metamorph into political expediency. this is about the moral imperative to make sure the president of the united states does not commit high crimes and misdemeanors with impunity. and i think we move expeditiously to do this. >> are you okay with the delay until february as was suggested by congressman cdan kilde? do you think they should take the time they need and not bother looking at a calendar? >> i don't thing the calendar is

the ultimate acid test. i think the behavior is the acid test we have to look at. i do believe we have to be careful not to prolong this until the political expediency becomes the perceived motive. we're doing this for a moral imperative to prevent a president from committing additional high crimes and misdemeanors. i would want us to say there and maintain that moral imperative high ground. >> with additional high crimes and misdemeanors, does that include the relevant reporting that house lawyers say they're willing to consider impeeping the president a second time should they come across new evidence he tried to obstruct investigations? do you think that's a real possibility? >> i think it is a possibility. i think that's why we need mr. mcgahn's testimony. if we find the president did commit additional high crimes

and misdemeanors, we have the moral impaerative to bring thos before the congress. the president cannot contend you have but one opportunity to impeach. neither can his lawyers. if the president does as he has said, go out on fifth avenue and shoot someone, if he does that with malice aforethought, it would be expected that he would be impeached and we would go forward to impeach him. this notion you can only impeach one is a facade being posed by those who would have us not impeach at all. >> congressman, i want to focus a little more on your backyard, if you will, as we move to developments with the president's border wall. congress having approved more than $1 billion in funding. there's a new report indicating the federal government wants to seize property from texas land owners on which to build this wall. what is your reaction to that? >> my reaction is what it has

been consistently. that taking property by way of eminent domain is a concern. the notion that you can use just compensation at the whim of some bureaucratic official is not sufficient. i think we should not allow this to simply be business as usual, taking the property of people at the border. aside from the people themselves, who can't fight this in court, but you have to have some degree of money to do this, as many small land owners are at a disadvantage. aside from this, you have the problem of the wildlife refuge that can be encroached upon. i think environmental concerns are something we should not take lightly. my hope is that these things will be litigated in court as well. i don't think the president can arbitrarily and capriciously decide he will accord some small amount of money for land people have owned for decades, perhaps

even longer in their families. i think this is something the court should takeer representing those land owners will take it seriously as well. >> democratic congressman al green. happy new year to you. we'll see you in 2020. >> thank you. aoc for president. too soon? howard dean will weigh in on that and the billionaires running for president. running for president. billions of mouths.

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want to give you an update. active shooting now classified as nonactive shooter. it happened an hour ago in white settlement, texas, close to ft. worth, texas. it we're getting reports from kxas, our nbc affiliate, of injuries, possible fatalities. again, law officials are on the scene and they have said this is no longer an active situation. there are those who have been transported to the hospital. we're trying to work on getting numbers for you. this went down around 11:30 local time in white settlement, near ft. worth, as we get more

word on those who are injured or succumbed to injuries. meantime, turning back to politics, only two have had access to an unlimited budget on ads. a combined $200 million spent so far. the advantage of the candidates, they say, is just an effort to buy the election. joining me now, former democratic candidate, former democratic chair and governor, howard dean. good to see you, my friend. it's been way too long. let's get into this and we'll talk about that later. billionaires like tom steyer, mike bloomberg, do they really capture the >> look, i think they have valuable public policy advice to offer but they're not rubbing ground operations and you can't win this race without a ground operation. certainly not in the primaries.

they've both been involved in attacking the problem of global warming and mike bloomberg has been heavily involved in trying to get guns out of the hands of the lunatics on the right. but the truth is you have to have a ground game in order to win. no matter how much money you give to us on your side. >> television and digital. are they different, is tom steyer different than michael bloomberg? >> he's younger, which does make it different. in terms of his health, i don't know anything about their health, but tom has been an activist for quite some time. he founded an environment organization six or eight years ago. he has some grassroots experience. bloomberg actually indirectly does have grassroots experience, particularly in his anti-gun

activities. so -- but they are qualitatively different. i have unlimited amounts of money and in tom's case, limited amount of time in politics. >> i want you to listen to an exchange between pete buttigieg and elizabeth warren from the last debate. >> the mayor just recently had a fund-raiser that was held in a wine cave full of yisales and served $900 bottles of wine. >> senator, your net worth is 100 times mine. >> billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the united states. >> this is the problem with issuing purity tests you cannot yourself pass. >> howard, who do you think won that exchange? does it highlight a problem for democrats? i spoke with tom steyer on the air yesterday, he said, that's not what we should be focusing

on, wine caves. >> this is what always happens. look, pete is has soared to the top. elizabeth had her moment at the top. both are in the top tier. either could go all the way. of course they're going to fight like this. i remember 2004 when i was the front high runner, i was leading by 15 points going into the iowa caucuses and four out of five other major candidates were beating the daylights out of me on the debate stage. this is the most important and difficult job in the world. if you can't take heat on the debate stage, you're not going to win. i was not alarmed by this. i think everybody knows in the democratic party that neither one was these candidates is surviving on billionaire's money or likely to cater to them either. i just don't worry about this too much. >> how about this. in your role as a former dnc chair, is the dnc process fair? should they expand the rules to ensure the likes of cory booker, julian castro, tulsi gabbard,

all of this make the stage or is this part of the whittling down process? >> i think the intention was good. i think there are discussions about what we could do to make sure it was more -- the process was more inclusive but you cannot have the spectacle the republicans had in 2016. where nobody got a word in edgewise that were legitimate public servants. you know, it's -- i wish there were real diversity on the stage in this upcoming debate, but -- or in the next debate, and i think that's got to be fixed the next time. but i think the dnc did the right thing by not having a junior varsity stage, which i think was incredibly condescending. and next time we'll have to do better to make sure our stage looks as diverse as our party does. >> i want to ask you about the aoc buzz for president, the president of the young democrats is quoted in politico as saying -- here's the quote.

the future of the democratic party is not pete buttigieg, it's alexandria ocasio-cortez. what is your take, is she the future of the democratic party? >> well, she's certainly part of it. right now she's not eligible to run for president. she was elected when she was 29, so let's just say she's 30 now, she won't be eligible in this cycle or the next cycle from a constitutional point of view. but young people -- i think pete buttigieg and aoc are the future of the democratic party. there's going to be a spectrum of views and widely represented. in fact, they're going to be widely contested in this particular election. yeah, i think alexandria ocasio-cortez is the future of the democratic party. but she's not the only future of the democratic party. >> howard dean, it's awfully good to see you. i look forward to seeing you in 2020. fresh outrage after the president's latest twitter attack. naming the alleged whistle-blower. whistle-blower

want to bring you an update of news that happened in the area of white settlement near ft. worth, texas, about an hour ago. inside the west freeway church of christ we're getting reports of fatalities and injuries as a result of a shooting there. let's bring in former atf special agent in charge and msnbc contributor jim kavcavana to talk about this. put this in perspective. you have this, you have the news

out of monsey new york, jewish parishioners were celebrating hanukkah next to the rabbi's home. there was a machete or long knife attack there. you have to think about law enforcement and the fact that this is not new to us. there's been an increase in attacks lately. what can and is law enforcement doing to prevent these kinds of attacks? >> well, they need to do a lot more. i think it needs to be stepped up. the number of anti-semitic attacks in new york state and new jersey alone just in the last month is crazy. i mean, we've seen attacks almost every day in the metropolitan area. we had a jersey city detective killed a couple of weeks ago by haters who were trying to kill everyone in a kosher market and probably the jewish school above it. we've always had anti-semitic attacks but they're on the rise. these hate-filled people are

feeling strength. we don't know the motive in texas yet. i used to be the special assistant in charge in dallas. this is the next county. i know that area well. worked it many years. we worked a lot of white hate groups. this could be a member of the congregation, this could be a stranger. church congregations, alex, are under attack because they're good people. they do good works. o go to the disadvantaged and those suffering the most. sometimes those are people who have a lot of problems and then, you know, oftentimes people with turn on the people trying to help them. others are based in hate like the pittsburgh synagogue attack or los angeles. hate is the light motif running through a lot of these attacks. we'll have to see what texas is. i would pretty much say new york is, but we'll have to see whatr self-arming procedures. they allow their parishioners to

come to church with guns and often those take the place of being like a security officer there in the entrance to those churches. what do you think about that approach? >> well, you absolutely have to have a security plan. the first part of that security plan for any house of worship is you have to lock the door. i know you don't want to lock the door because all congregations of faith want to be welcoming, but to keep everybody who's worshipping safe, that's the most basic thing. and then you have to post some people outside because you can't let someone with a machete or rifle just walk in the front door. so you need to have people posted outside as eyes and ears. often it's smart money to have an armed security. a lot of the churches now take their retired police officers, retired federal agents, former military officers who have experience with firearms and members of the congregation, they train them as security

force and they use them on their day of worship, saturday, sunday, whatever it is, to protect everybody it's a good s. i want to thank you for weighing in on all this given your vast experience. new york city mayor bill de blasio just walked into the studio. he's going to get micced up. this is a spate of attacks against the jewish community here in the new york area, monsey, new york, 30 minutes north of the city and the one you described two weeks ago in new jersey. we'll get him mic'd up as soon as possible. until then, we'll continue with this conversation as i say thank you to you, jim, and talk about the president who's spending his holiday break in southern california. at this point he's golfing, relaxing, and tweeting at house speaker nancy pelosi, who is still holding onto those two

articles of impeachment. according to "the hill," as of friday, the president had tweeted or retweeted messages about nancy pelosi more than 20 times since he left washington for a two-week stint at his palm beach resort and addressed her during two public appearances he's made on his vacation. this morning the president retweeting himself with that one right there, any answers, nancy? and nancy pelosi has yet to respond on that. charlie sykes is joining me, msnbc contributor and editor-at-large of the bull work and elana beverly. as i welcome you both, there may be brevity to the conversation. you heard me say mayor de blasio has come to address the attacks in our area. at this moment, what does the president's tweet storm tell you about pelosi's strategy? is she getting under trump's skin? >> yes. the twitter frenzy suggests to me he's becoming further unglued as at impeachment strategy wears

on. he knows nancy pelosi, determining she was not going to submit the articles of impeachment over to the senate is a strategy that is getting to him as he realizes that that senators have to check themselves as to whether or not they can take an oath and say their standing up for the american people and the constitution and they have about two weeks to think that through before the articles would be going to the senate. it's getting to him and he's demonstrating it in his tweets. >> i'm curious what you make o the tweets, charlie, and do you see a strategy here, anhis head. the tweets over the weekend was erratic and rattled. to the extent there's a strategy, he needs to always have an enemy and nancy pelosi is that foil, but a president who continues to ask this unrestrained makes it so much harder for republicans to carry water for him. i mean, also tweeting out the

identity of the whistle-blower federal law is very clear, you cannot retaliate against a whistle-blower. so when a counterer puncher counter-punches against a federal employee, a wb nguyen, it shows that donald trump is not listening to his lawyers. he's not listening to any grownups in the room. that has to be alarming for a lot of the republicans. >> i'm glad to have listened to both of you, charlie and elana. sorry for the brevity. but we do have breaking news to get to. i, unfortunately, though have the pleasure of bringing in new york city mayor bill de blasio to talk about the incident last night. you're seeing video from that, everybody. monsey, new york, where five people were wounded in that hanukkah celebration. it was in the home of the rabbi, adjacent to the synagogue. mayor de blasio, with a welcome to you and thank you for being here. pretty somber times. what goes through your mind immediately when you hear of an attack like this.

>> this is an anti-semitism crisis in this country and it's becoming more and more violent and we're seeing it in other parts of the world. certainly in much of europe. we have to recognize our history. we have to recognize when anti-semitism is growing and taking a more violent form. we have to take that seriously. even though some of these incidents that are the most -- most have happened outside of my city, pittsburgh, poway, california jersey city, now monsey, upstate. we will announce. additional measures but what we tried to do is a combination of a very strong police presence in the jewish community as a preventive measure, as a reassurance because people are scared. i have talked to so many people in the jewish community who feel scared, they feel if they show signs of their religion in public they may be targeted. that's not acceptable. that's not something that's acceptable in acceptable in new

york city or anywhere in america. so it's going to take a strong police presence and prosecutions for hate crimes. but it's also going to take a new effort to educate young people, to get out into communities and bring together multi-ethnic coalitions. the way to solve this is with encouraging unity and a real presence out on the streets of people who want to work together to stop this trend. history teaches us never let a community be attacked and ignore it, or the next community will be in the cross hairs. so this is a warning sign and we all better get real about it quickly. and i'm calling on democrats and republicans alike to recognize there's an anti-semitism crisis. it cannot be ignored or explained away. we've got to act now. >> and we should say hats off to you with new york city and the protection that you have afforded to the jewish community. there's a large jewish population in the city and there's not been an attack there. and you've seen a police

presence. but you cannot be anywhere. and i'll suggest when i spoke to leader of the anti-defamation league, he said it's up to people all over, you see someone putting graffiti on a wall, you see someone harassing somebody, you have to stop that. which could be pretty bold at tiles, but it's almost like see something, say something. what do you think of that policy, and do you worry that people may take certain measures into their hands and may not be properly prepared to do do? >> alex, it's a great question. it's begin with the fact that in everyday life, in conversations, at work, on the street, in the supermarket, we have to be clear, one, if someone in our lives says something racist or anti-semitic, we've got to call it out. if someone makes a threat against someone else, that's time to immediately call the authorities and alert the police. if you think someone is speaking in threatening terms, don't explain it away or sweep it under the rug.

call 911. treat it like a real threat. if you see something, say something was created here in new york as a way to address international terrorism. we have way too much experience with that problem. this is now a problem from within communities all over america. hate has been unleashed in the last few years. it's taking many forms. but more and more it's a violent form. so now if you see something, say something means if someone is speaking in threatening ways toward others or you see something on the street and someone has done something to affront or assault someone, it needs to be called in immediately. one thing we find is nypd find these perpetrators, someone, gos we're going to make sure there are prosecutions and consequences for anyone who does an act of hate. but a lot of them can be stopped before they get started.

we found that with international terrorism. a lot were stopped because of intelligence communities working with local communities. we need to do that again. not just the jewish community alone, but other communities surrounding, working with them to find any evidence of anyone, individual. it could be a kid or adult. but if someone is talking in hateful terms, report it so we can act on it. >> i'm going to ask you some details about what may be happening behind-the-scenes. but for those who will push back and say people have a right to freedom of speech, the liberty of being able to say what you want, where do you draw the line? >> alex, it's an american question. we do value liberty and our constitutional rights, but if it takes the form of a threat, that's the obvious crossing the line. as i said, in our own lives we've confronted this for years. if we have family members or friends that use language that is hateful, we can address that in our own lives and that has an impact. but the thing i'm talking about,

where the phone call has to be made, is if someone says anything related to violence against other people, in any form. and obviously particularly if it has a hate motivation. we have started a new unit to focus on racial and ethically motivated extremism because we see these patterns growing and we want to stop any systematic effort to do violence. i can tell you right now there is no specific and credible threat against the city of new york from any organized group. but people are still fearful. and what we have to watch out for is the lone wolves and the individuals acting on hateful impulses. if someone says threatening things about another person or another community, that is where i think we can draw the line fairly. if it might take the form of violence the way it's stated, then it needs to be called in right away. >> so you have anticipated my next question by saying there's now a specific nypd unit focused on these kinds of things. can you tell me about the origins of that unit? is there a time frame?

is there a point at which you can say this is when things started getting worse? >> yes, alex, absolutely. look, first, the nypd for years and years was focused on international terrorism directed at new york city and the nypd working with our federal partners did an outstanding job of stopping the terror threats. in the last three years in this country the forces of hate have been unleashed and we see more and more violence associated with those hateful impulses. some of it organized and premeditated. the uptick in hate crimes in this city has led the nypd to recognize we've got to get under the skin of these trends and see if they can disrupt them. the answer to your question, it's really been in the last year the combination of a growing trend towards hate crimes here and then the horrible incidents around the country, what we saw in pittsburgh with the tree of life synagogue being one of the

single most devastating. but we've also known for years that there are white strupremact forces that are organizing. we know about the malitias in some parts of the country. they've targeted law enforcement, these right wing malitias have targeted law enforcement for years in this country. unfortunately, that trend is growing, that form of extremism. we've got to be able to track it and disrupt it in a way that, honestly, we didn't face before in the city, nor much of the country. but let's be honest, the last three years everything has changed. once hate gets normalized, it spreads like wildfire and it takes a more violent form and we've got to stop it now before we end up making the wrong kind of history, the history we saw other theet receicountries that into violence.

we cannot let that happen to the united states. >> in the 15-20 seconds we have left, i couldn't help but notice you said in the last three years. is there a point you have seen this uptick that you can be specific? >> it's not a time for a partisan discussion, but it is a time to say some of the most hateful speech is emanating from washington, d.c. and what we need our president to do is be a unifier, a calming positive voice, reminding us of what we have as americans. that's what presidents have done for generations. we've missed that. and the hateful speech. even if it's not inciting specific violence, let's face it, we have seen these violent forces emboldened. we've seen it all over the country. and we've got to be honest about it without falling into a partisan battle to say something is different in recent years. i'll be the first to say there were other problems before that. there were campus shootings and other things, but the connection to racial and ethnic motivation,

that has been growing in the last few years and that's what we've got to stop. >> a voice of leadership in these very, very troubling times, new york city mayor bill deblazio. thank you, sir, for coming in on a moment's notice. this is an important story to discuss. thank you. and for all of you, we're going to have more of that, the details at a stabbing attack at a hanukkah celebration will come your way at the top of the hour. beyond the routine checkups. beyond the not-so-routine cases. comcast business is helping doctors provide care in whole new ways.

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lifting the last couple of hours. i hand things off to kendis gibson who is ready to pick up the mantle. what a day. >> what a day indeed, and what a way to have your last show of the year, decade, with so much happening in the news. horrible stories all around. we'll continue the breaking news and we're going to start right now with the breaking news from north texas. a shooting at a church. the fourth ward fire department telling reporters that at least three people were shot and are currently in critical condition. one patient is believed to be the shooter. all of this taking place at the west freeway church of christ in white settlement, is the name of the town, in texas. it's in north