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rol! these hateful acts, the respons" impeachment inquiry. simply didn't be that we all whether it's devin nunes or need to carry gunesnse can't be lindy graham passed comments on billóclinton's impeachment in a way that s&gu&d work. all need to exhibit the kind of we think that democrats are courage we saw at the home in focussing on these key characters in all of this, and muncie, that the folks in the it's working out in their favor. community exhibited had the devin nunes' challenger bringsñ% attacker came. we need, in some ways, the kind $500,000 in just the time that the public impeachment hearings werei] taking place. of moral remembering kong? >> alexis mccammond, thank you.+ we're going to be reading axios >> remembering kockoning. >> why should you have to? a.m. in juste1 aa bit. >> it's another moment where you can watch it too at it's a lack of place where's people can be safe, whether it's a rabbi home or a church. signup.axios.com. i'm going to see you in a second there's a rise in semitic as i rush over to "morning joe.." i doubt there was anything attacks. you wrote an article about the we could do about this. increase of bitterness in this nation and you suggested some thoughts as to how americans can get by that. ambassador bo walk us through what you wrote ambassador boltone1ñr indicated and your take on the tragic news there was nothing much we could do about it andé@ in the coursef cussionçó said that rudy over the last couple of days. giuliani was a hand grenade that >> well, jonathan, in this was going to blow everybody up. country where there's so much anger around and these two >> that's añr flashback to last
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latest incidents illustrate it, i found myself thinking about =s'th. good morning, welcome to "morning joe." it's monday, december 30th, i'm during christmas week the injunction that's at the center of the christian faith, which is the ap's jonathan lemire to love your neighbor. alongside the george w.e1çó bus and what we think about that precept in a country where white house elise jordan. increasingly there's signs that we haveñi professor of princeto folks hate their neighbors. they're angry. certainly respect the vice university and depressedxd their neighbors hold views that president, but you this is an they think are outrageous. steelers fan eddie glaude junior. co-host "morning joe" first exannual pl we their neighbors threaten, look, yasmin. example pl of why it is not good challenge their basic values. >> i made it. and i just try to think hais it judgment. >> that was a sprint. he supported the decision to invade iraq. >> and that is mayor pete and david ignatius. therexd is -- slamming joe biden for his vote >> morning. >> so much happening right now. to authorize the traffic war. still possible in 2020 in the taliban's council agreed to a and that comment came during an presidential campaign that's interview with iowa public temporary ceasefire in ahead, the politics of love your television. afghanistan. is. buttigieg criticized by continue beginning of the end to neighbor, the politics of not stoke violence and anger, making for the october 2002 vote when people feel that their rage is biden represented delaware in two other targets iny1 parts of the senate. the world, the middle east and >> anybody qualified to run justified, but saying i'm going to work with the folks on the east africa. other side of the aisle and
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we'll get to what thet( pentago govern for all the country, is meets the basis constitutional is sayinge1 about that. thresh honored and the voters that still a successful political message? will decide and they will decide and mayor pete is taking on joe and i said at the can end of on our judgment. this column, i think it probably experience sure, but also is. judgment. i think americans are -- don't and i think that it is certainly like where we are. a question that reflects on there's a lot of anger out foreign policy judgment at a there, yes, but there's also time like this that is so frustration with the kind of precar presidential country we're becoming. if you could have a candidate who says i'm good healing, i'm we'll get to this. candidate elizabeth warren's campaign has seen a significant but?; we begin with the drop in fundraising this about loving my neighbor and investigation into president quarter. in an email sent out to her trump. >> it's part of an extensive following the basic precepts we supporters on friday, waf warred piece as we all know "the,"w have, that's probably a pretty york times" on this nearly 4-million dollars inok military thaid=m withheld from ukraine good political base in a year was democrats are pushing for where the country is like a kettle that's about to boil so far they have a 30% drop from witnesses at theñr senate trial over. the previous quarter. >> it's interesting because we spend a lot of time talking the numbers come after warren's t about extreme part sanship ason the timese1 reporting that duri momentum has slowed in recent an oval office meeting, mark months. and former new york city mayor michael bloomberg is esper and mike pompeo and johnl spending millions of dollars each week in onlining ads in battleground states attacking president trump. bolton bid proo the "new york times" reports bolton tried but failed to theee happening that the ads are focused on convinceçó thiú seven battleground states. such as pennsylvania and aid. congressional aides as well as
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way too greently afrequently ac wisconsin. where polls show trump is likely 2 u'disclosed emails and to be competitive in november. country, it seems like we're at documents. an inflection point of aingerng over the last month on facebook and google, bloomberg spent $18 million on ads i can't help think that social attacking the president. according to a digital messaging media has fueled this anger. firm that works with democrats. we talk to people that we the former mayor is expected to normally wouldn't if we're face-to-face or we had to sit spend between $300 million to the times reportu that are down and write a letter or even lawyers with the white housekc@% $400 million on advertising budget office actually developed across all media before the write an email. >> exacts of extremism, hate resident's super tuesday primaries in role as commander and chief crimes, have been alarmingly on march. would, quote, simplyç?$p&low hi the rise for some time now. that price tag would be almost and you have to wonder at what to override congressfá on the equal to what president obama's campaign spent on advertising point the rhetoric not just on over the course of the entire issue. as we now know, thewo/ presiden social media, but in the media did not release the aid until that a lot of the president's 2020 general election. and jeremy, you have some september 11th after learning supporters consume, in the media reporting on mayor bloomberg and about the whistle-bloweiá reporó that the president himself often his huge spending. what did you learn about mayor speaks to, their use of these terms like describing immigrants bloomberg's strategy for the elise, it is astou astounding t democratic primary? >> what any are trying to do considering the timeline and then late august youçó have johú as invaders, the times has here is what 16 republicans and bolton, mark esper, mike pompeo, looked at some of this and there hillary clinton failed to do in sittingçó down with the preside is aco correlation betwe correly pleading with him to release 2016. this aid and two weeks later and that is find a way to attack timelinewise that aid was president trump in ads that is finallyçó released. effective with voters. so the president pushing back s@kvr'g, no, i'm not releasing and some of you might recall
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denigrate people and white that there was a big debate in it. >> what's so amazing about this people being replaced by deep dive, it puts into context democratic circles and within the clinton campaign this 2016 a lot of the prior reporting and migrants, and violence. about how do you do that, how do just gives you the timeline and remember the el paso shooting at you tell people something new the narrative is just how about president trump that is negative that sticks. politicized the process was walmart. and it was a debate over do you the language in that shooter's go after his character or do you within the office of management and budget. go after other things about his which usually is a very man fest toe is what you would policies. functional apoliticalxd departmt and they found that what the bloomberg campaign is finding, that the character attacks don't hear from some fox news station. >> or the president of the united states. work. people know who donald trump is. but what happened to conversation? what happened to talking to one they made a judgment about what they think of him personally. another? what happened to trying to understand the differences that what they think about his morals exist amongst us? and ethics. what happened to me sitting down but what they are open to with eddie and saying don't understand why you believe what you believe, but i want to know. rethinking this data bloomberg >> conversation is predicated has been looking in to shows upon good faith. that the way that he has failed to keep some of his promises. if i don't believe that you're and in a state like michigan for engaging me in good faith, then example, this would be infrastructure. i don't trust what's coming out where is this big infrastructure of your mouth. plan that the president so the fact that we've lost trust means that the very heart promised. so it is finding little niche of democratic life, deliberation, conversation, attacks like that on his record right, has been tossed aside. that work. but let's be clear about who we and whether or not those are are and stay quickly. effective at peeling away some
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at every moment in which the of trump's softer support, i country has felt like there's don't know. i'm not going to venture a guess been a fundamental change in who we take ourselves to be into that. but if anybody could do it and historically, at every moment where we think that what we try it and has the money to find the right formula, it is michael take -- who we take ourselves to be is fundamentally changing, violence emerges. bloomberg. it emerged in the 18th sentlyce and knothose numbers are staggering. $400 million is a lot of ads. >> and my sick twisted political mind was asking who is making money off of this, who is really pretty hard right, hard -- line conservative. >> certainly there are people who are. and he game into the office ofj ni 19th century, and now. and it is overwhelming number. >> i'm glad we are having this management and budget basically running anfáfá organization tha conversation. and coming ahead i'm glad and the trump camcampaign, they that we're about to have another supposed to fundxd the rest of e very important conversation. feel like people have made up their mind on president trump. they are trying to find new u.s. government having run his politicalfá career on cutting a over the past bdecades, hundred much from government as of local news organizations possible. across the country have trump voefrt so, you know, i dow3 think it's trump voters, people who didn't disappeared. we'll talk about what if means turn out for trump last time interesting, though, thav3 once for our democracy next on around whond who are "morning joe." means for our democracy next on aeï1ñ you have people around çó "morning joe." so what do you see? disenchanted with the whole i see an unbelievable opportunity. political system and feels that trump, as we saw with the the impeachment is unfair. mueller report, whoq are at the i see best-in-class platforms and education. so this ad blitz, will it be very highest levels telling him i see award-winning service, effective? perhaps just a relentless the either no, no, no, or failing to and a trade desk full of experts, barrage, would that wear down
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available to answer your toughest questions. follow through with his orders. the president's numbers? >> it may. i wouldn't venture to suggest which is interesting. and i see it with zero commissions on online trades. because however few guardrails still exist around this president, at least in this i like what you're seeing. would it would. but i'm worried about all the presidenhat there óasn this it's beautiful, isn't it? yeah. money. when we talk about the problems td ameritrade now offers zero commissions on online trades. with our democratic system, one ♪ of the first, you know, issues that on the list is the role of ♪ big money in our politics, and whether you are on the left or the right, the role of big money determining affecting our ♪ decision making seems to be a what's your lptakeaway? problem. coming up you on morniu on >> myfá teak way wakeaway was s ♪ "morning joe," from ipads and yours. it takes us back to what the heart of the ukraine scandal was then presidential candidates. a look at the top stories next. s about. we recall the july 25 phone call everything your trip needs a look at the top stories next for everyone you love. military which the new presidf expedia. support. fá they're fighting russian proxies on their border and trump says, zm7a9 introduces this request f what would amount to political
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articles of impeachment to the tragic as two talks on houses of senate. chief deputy whip for the worship, that is the most will ring in the new year. so what is in store for the year democratic caucus dan kildeew3 dramatic example. ahead? joining us now, senior editor of says they're going to be sent but i think that the pulling the world almanac and book of over it but it might not be apart as a country has everything to do with the facts 2020, sarah jansen. until february. >> it's ourrñ$quáy to turn it collapse of those local you new over. it's not a mechanism she can organizations that force us to control. house passed it. talk and have civic engagement since its founding, they have they shouldn't e1hán9 and pull together as a sold more than 82 million >> do you think speaker pelosi community. so a report for america is copies. is overreaching by trying to wow. so what is ahead in 2020? influence a senate trial? trying to go at this problem by >> it is really anyone's guess. >> well, it's notw3 her role too deploying reporters across the over to the senate. she could run for the senate if country. and we're really scaling up, let's look at some of the top she wants to be a senator. trying to say that this crisis stories of 2019. but the house has a role, the needs attention, we'll be pretty senate has a role. okfá dramatically scaling up in the year that is ahead. >> and talk to us more about the it's time tofor the senate do crisis itself. those stories search wicertainl walk us through the -- we all their job. she has been saying for months they have to remove this influence the year ahead. know search that tcertainly tha and you are saying the top story president immediately, he's a is the house impeachment industry and local newspapers inquiry. >> yeah, something that we will threate1 toe1 their wholexd way have struggled in the last 15, life and once they passi] the be daying a lot of attention to in 2020 going ahead. impeachment she doesn't want the 20 years or so, struggling to senate to get papers to start the trial. adapt to the internet and other economic forces. no one really a clue just how >> over the weekend president so how bleak is it out there? much that it will affect the of course, re- >> it is pretty bleak. this is a real crisis on the election either. attacks on speaker pelosi i mean, there is a certain sense yeste]4 that lot off it is a fait level of class steel or coal. accompli and then who he knows
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this is the kind of crisis in what will happen with the voter, our economy that we would be i how they will respond. think journalists would be talk >> and so donald trump's you can't help but thinks that about more if it was some other thing plays out if it does, in fingerprints are all over this industry. but we have been disciplined and you could say for good reason list unsurprisingly. not to talk about our own the number two chouschoice was fact, plead inw3 dpeb thfebruar1 industry as much. but it really is a crisis that is on a very serious level. from syria, third is the attacks will get more robust. u.s./china trade war, fourth is 30,000 jobs lost in journalism whether or not it will bleed in in the last 15 years. immigration. is it unusual or is this par for februarye1 is the question. the course for a singular figure i'm not necessarily confident it will. we're seeing not only the 2000 i'm not confident the speaker a president to be the driving will hold itt( it cuvainly seem communities that have lost their news organizations, there are force behind so many of the top stories? >> i think that it is fairly 1300 that no longer have any news organization watching the of the÷d motivation to hold it typical to have them associated store. so what happens with that? in some way. a lot of the time our big to driest presideve the preside when you see that level crisis, stories will be on policy. that level of sort of just gutting of news organizations, and certainly there were some moves on that. what you see is those news we have an imgrmigration on the point organizations aren't covering list as well, for example the if will be tenable for her to huge swathes of their community, executive order that donald trump announced in february. they are not covering education, hold on to them. we haven't seen much the presidentw3 this week. environment or health. but it is the domg nantz story he's on a two-plus weekfá vacatn atñi his club in mar-a-lago. so we think that is where i get to>3áq'd a little time communities start to come apart. we don't have the issues that of the year, what is the can really pull us together to president doing today. down there. >> no golfing? share a set of facts and to try >> and what did you highlight as the defining stories of the to find a shared way to find decade? lot. some solutions. because it has been a very which tleeds more tweets. so the crisis gets very real. that's what we're seeing here. and if you think about -- we all momentous decade. >> it really has. he said the presidente1 clearly know the business crisis, we and looking back over the past
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know the business models right ten years, we sort of had a of him this week but we're hearing fromlp him and he's not now as marty baron was sharing, sense of, you know, whiplash in very happy with what's going on. that some of these things feel >> and when donald trump keeps like they happened yesterday and some of these things feel like being unhinged on twitter, that social media and the internet they happened a really long time fuels the democratic narrative have ripped apart the ago, more than a decade ago. that he's off kilter,e1 that hes traditional business model for it is hard to believe that it 't t he's off kilter,e1 that hes newspapers especially. and for journalism in jen. has only been ten years since the ipad was introduced for and so what is happening is 70 necessarily harmful to them. example. what's harmful, though, is this you know, these are things that cents of every ad dollar goes to are just part of the day to day lives now. extend and democratsxd look lik facebook and google, that leaves >> and i'm looking at the stories of the decade and i they're not governing and that they are pursuing impeachment 30 cents going to the local news don't see the multiple super and they're pursuing taking organizations, they are fighting donald trump out of office, but over it and they won't survive. bowl champion patriots on here. they aren't actually doing we think that there is a real anything. but i want your opinion as to which is why i do think it was increasing role for nonprofits what you see as a defining story brilliant that they went forward to step into this space. of the decade and something that report for america is a particularly grabbed you maybe from a year ago. with the unsca. ok nonprofit. >> so what is your business model then, how are you -- >> and first of all, let's me >> yeah, thanks. say i used to walk around with ie1 always think marine corps wn ou i -- yes, it really -- soñi the our business model is trying to the world alma manac as a kid deploy into host news them. what do you see is the political thinking i was tsmartest on the organizations. riskçó for democrats, jeremy? we chose a whole host of news plan either. >> well, this, as we were rooms, 165 news rooms where but i was always interested at the world at a glass. earlier, is why being from a small town in. we'll place 250 reporters. and we have support from the knight foundation and other foundations and we'll be paying in, in that i over the for half their salaries. .
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she's triegt best she can we asked the news organizations to pay for 25% and then we help in, i wa the news organizations raise the mississippi, i wanted to understand the world and we understand that the world is in wi additional 25%. and so this is really kind of a with a lousy hand. at this point all the attention call to service, this is teach peril. climate change. is going to be on the president when we look at it in a glance, stjnd not on her. for america for journalism or we see all the weather that's probably good for her in appearance. so talk about that particular f ways. robably good for her in the peace corps for journalism but he's going to runép=u9 the section returning. to say let's go out into country after the senate trial mississippi and appalachia, in >> well, the woshld hrld at a g after he's acquainted say, see, ohio, on the border in texas, let's get reporters into the areas that we're not hearing gives a great picture of what is 100% exonerated. from. if she hoolds the articles of and let's try to really support those news organizations. t/: q!%m1buz hasn't actually be behinding. >> and david ignatius in t impeached. washington has a question for the statistics affecting our day so really they're up against you. to day lives. both ways. >> sure. >>ñr well, no, i think it's >> and i wanted to ask you a important forxd us to understan the politics ofçó it all. question that worries me i think it's, you know, think sometimes. i think worries some of our you're right, jeremy, she's been colleagues. it just looking at the facts. dealt a bad hand. and that is that sometimes the but we're in the middle of a traditional reader democratship >> and a person who did a lot of constitutional crisis. and it seems to me that nancy fact checking when i was in the pelosi has to be mindful the ñi presidential speech writing office, how do you even start politics, but she has to be a stateswoman. newspapers doesn't want what we >> yes. >>s7 in this fight. were trained to provide, faskt checking t >> in this çómoment. >> and she has to really pushçó balanced mainstream coverage as fact checking the almanac? the issue here. >> a lot of news organizations the very foundation of our off be put in quotation marks time to invest in fact checking separation of powers. the very foundation of the thre1 now as a laugh line. any most of, but something that the world almanac is known for, what do you find as you talk to branchesñr of -- equal branchesf something that we still spend a people about the desire for significant amount of our budget
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government is in jeopardy here. coverage that doesn't have a lot on. and she has to+pursue this with and really what is wonderful of spin toward one party or that in mind, even though we about the accessibility of another, but really tries to have a presidential campaign information now, that it is happening, even though we have challenge readers rather than the çóelection, even though we really not quite as big a hassle support their existing biases? do all of the fact checking. haveyo republicans doinge1 what they're doing, even though we >> i think that there is a real you know, you have so much at need for the kind of journalism your fingertips. know we have the democrats, we that is accountability reporting so the really important thing is have the interest9/ theçó county to make sure that you are going at the center of all of that. particularly from the local areas. we have a reporter in to the right sources, the >>+çó i just wonder how this th mississippi for example who authoritative sources to get the essential information. exposed very dramatic spike in >> and so you talk about in here prison deaths. a story that no one was people who have had remarkable how is nancy pelosi&o#xd going rises from the ashes. watching. >> and i'm from mississippi, i read the series. people like tiger woods who, you play it out? it is so -- >> me too. know, we had written off and thank you. >> that was so important. thought that that career is mcconnell has made no movement >> and that was michelle lew over. and no concessions. tell us a little bit about some >> what she's going to do in of the other people in here who between the time that with mississippi today who did mcconnell -- >> i think the big political extra ordinary reporting on kind of had these remarkable risk for republicans is that that. and in kentucky, we have a comebacks. >> one that i really think about every day we're taë8 reporter in eastern kentucky, is lebron james who he hasn't impeachment and we're talking coal country, the lexington about process. qv, that might helpó[ we will p herald had to cut back its had many down moments, but in 2010, he was pretty heavily coverage of the pipeville well up new base that's going to criticized for the big decision bureau. and we're proud that we helped special, taking his talents to be with you forever. them reopen the bureau in the south beach. but they're not talking about the economy is pretty strong, a1 heart of coal country. and now we're enkd tending the e is basically a role model and
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so suddenly will writhe oght ou e hero to a lot of people. emt th element that would help him get his schools, his off the court re-elected. >> they have a duty by the rule heounty accomplishments. of law toñr pursue impeachment. meetings and finds out that >> and anned aned aed adversar there are thousands who don't the republicans in the white have access to clean drinking house are goinge1 to try weapone water and are really mad. and use it as a run on. trump over twitter. so just by virtue of showing up, >> that is true, influence are a we know according to our lot of those. will was able to put attention >> but just the word fact itself on it, $5 million in funding reporting4[j planning on, for seems to be a debate right now. comes forward, two counties that the politics of america at the lackw3 afr bettof a better w3ph didn't have clean access drinking water suddenly have it. moment, we can't even agree on the same set of facts. people have their own news guilty tour. series of rallies after the so to abc your questionswer you sources. senate -- aftere1 the senate trl it is not just about -- they think there is a deep yearning can't even agree on the basic to do the journalism that with assumed acquittal in which addresses local issues. truth. this book of facts is in the when they don't see it in their he will of course claim total local newspaper, sadly they go title, but in some ways is in the most important issue -- it exoneration. >> maybe a cameo, bring not to national television where has never been more important for you guys? >> i feel like the world almanac guilty people up on stage with news feels ubiquitousubiquitous. him. >> so obviously talking a lot it is wall to wall 24/7 news, is more essential than ever. about who will be feasibly i think that it is very diblgts but not local news. for difficult for a lot of people to know where the right sources are so to answer your question, the testing be and question we do all of the v testifying in the senate trial, joe biden@?[pvr'g he would refue local angle is where we need to to testify in a senate trial. all of the work to make sure do more. that we're getting the most so we put out this call to essential information out there. formerçó presidential candidate reporters to apply. we want people to come forward. >> and what you are doing so so >> so if you had to pick, what 2020 joe biden is reversion course on that. important and we thank you for is the craziest story of the
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on friday biden said that he it. local journ are alism is vital e decade that is in this almanac? >> oh, gosh. wouldn't comply with a subpoena i don't want to say that this is definitely the craziest, but i for the testimony but then the nation. still ahead, new details next day he backtracked. definitely enjoyed reading this about opposition to president here's what he initially said trump's demand to halt military year about a beach in france polled by his then reversal. demand to ukraine according to where these mysterious garfield >> do you stand by your earlier phones were surfacing over 200 statements that youñi wouldn't the "times," they tried to in 2018 alone. comply if you wereçó subpoenaedo they could not figure out where they were coming from. testify int( an impeachment tri convince trump to release the aid. this has been happening for 30 ♪ limu emu & doug before the senate? >> correct. years. and the reason i wouldn't is and they finally in 2019 figured out the source of the garfield t's allq designedok to and now for their service to the community, deal with trump doing what he's phones. >> and that they were stuck in a donet(e1 hisxdr we present limu emu & doug reef or shipping container focus off with this key to the city. [ applause ] him. that had fallen off a boat at think what it's about. some point and it was stuck at a it's an honor to tell you that reef and cracked open. it's all about whent(ñi what hes liberty mutual customizes your car insurance and these garfield phones will so you only pay for what you need. be surfacing for a long time and now we need to get back to work. all the time. because plastic does not bio his entire career. take the focus off. [ applause and band playing ] this guy violated thee1 degrade. >> maybe the phones will still work. constitution. >> fij&b of all, i wouldxd obey only pay for what you need. my nephew would be excited. the 2020 world almanac is any subpoena that wase1 sent to ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ available now. sarah, thank you for coming on tai today. coming up, the women trail
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what's his obligation ( asked if there was anything it's an impeachment trial of that we could do and ambassador donald trump. but what is his obligation here? how shouldfxe1 be handling this? bolton indicated with body >>i] well, if he's going to be language that there was nothing much to do about it and again in politically sma2) the course of that discussion said that rudy giuliani was a hand grenade that was going to blow everyone up. >> and that is a flashback to last month as this morning both john bolton and rudy giuliani are back in the headlines. welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, december 30th. i'm jonathan lemire alongside elise jordan. joe and mika have the well deserved morning off. but thankfully with us we have diarrhea? pepto diarrhea to the rescue. it's 3x concentrated liquid formula coats and kills bacteria to relieve diarrhea. professor and depressed steelers the leading competitor only treats symptoms fan, jeremy peters, jasmine -- it does nothing to kill the bacteria. treat diarrhea at its source with pepto diarrhea. >> i made it. >> a marathon morning. it's how we care for our patients-
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v positive that he does during an oval office meeting change positions that are reflect on the women trail back this late august, secretary blarblarz blazers who set the example for misconceived,c at leastjf when of state mike pompeo, defense others to know their value. compared to the current chief secretary mark esper and then executive. >> all right. everybody stand by. national security adviser john >> joining me for our year end [ go to break, civil bolton tried but failed to rights icon congressmanlp john round table, careen john pierre convince the president to lewis's officeñi announced he wl release this aid. lewis's ndergoing treatment for the "times" cites in part and susan dell perce percio. stage four pancreatice1 cancer. interviews with dozens of current and former administration officials, congressional aides and others and we also have adrian he will he was diagnosised thed this mo as well as previously rod. and so a great group. undisclosed emails and documents. the report also lays out the let's tastart with nancy pelosi. after a routine test. in a statement he writes while i am clear i'd about the par none, this woman reclaiming prognosis, doctors have told me battle within the administration speaker seat, leading trump that recent medical advances impeachment charge, also i naming mick mulvaney as a, believe that she is serving her have made this type of cancer quote, deacon due it for treatable in manye1 cases, that 17th term in the house of treatment options nor longer asó transmitting the demands for the freeze. and state department pushing back. $ @&h(lc% q" representatives. sus sus debilitating as they once were susan, nancy pelosi has broken and i have a fighting chance. lawyers with the budget office so many barriers. what stands out to you? >> if there's anybody that's actually developed an argument going to beatçó pancreatic canc, that the president's role as commander in chief, would, >> just per you trher truest seg it's going to be john lewis. quote, simply allow him to >> he is one of theçóxd greates and doing what is right for our override congress on the issue. country. i was happy even though i'm a as we now know, the president americans that america has ever 0toduced. did not release the aid until republican that she became he's sacrificed so much to make me possible and he stands so september 11th after learning speaker because i knew that we could trust her to lead us
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much at not only the conscious about the whistleblower report. through a difficult time with of the house, but the conscious president. and on top of it, i think and it is astounding to me president trump's biggest m of the nation. and at a moment where this considering the time line of this whole thing and then late miscalculation politically since taking office was august, you have john bolton, underestimating nancy pelosi because she is a force. you have mark esper, you have >> absolutely. mike pompeo pleading with the and can i just -- i don't know president to release the aid and if it is okay to say, but i'm then two weeks later it seems going to say it, it is a rage. his courage in moments of trial that time line-wise that the aid she is 79. and test, and use this example was finally released. she is almost 80. this is a woman with five kids, as in some ways a blueprint for but the president pushing back saying no, i'm not releasing it. our own choices. so many grand children, she is for what we do in this w3moment >> what is so amazing about the the speaker of the house twice deep dive and it puts in to and she mass taken on a context a lot of the prior because that's the gianhas the reporting and just gives you the presidency that nobody could ever have imagined. time line and narrative. and history has never seen begin to make their way, we need it is just how politicized the before. to step into their footsteps and process was within the office of it is incredible. see what we can flern themlearn and just as mothers, are we not management and budget. which usually is a very inspired? >> i think that whether you are a republican, a democrat, no and then move forward. >> the word hero is overused. functional apolitical department matter what side of the aisle >> absolutely. that is enacting the president's you stand on, >> but in this case it applies of the aisle you stand on, i to senator john lewis and we think everyone can agree she is wish him well. still ahead on "morning agenda and congress -- congressional approved funding. joe," an update to saturday's and you look at how mick a force. violent attack against the i think she is an inspiration to rabbi's hanukkah celebration. it's the latest in a disturbing mulvaney acting chief of staff young women, and to government trend. and jeremy's new reporting allowed donald trump to speak with rudy giuliani alone because
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on mike bloomberg's huge he didn't want to get involved spending on political ads. and across the board just an it will translate to votesw3 at and have attorney gener/client inspiration. >> speaking of new to washington, all of the women who privilege overturned. that is amazing to me that with you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. were sworn in, all of the women you're watching "morning joe." american taxpayer dollars, it we'll be right back. wasn't about the chief of staff playing his role in executing that ran and won in the the funding, it was about donald midterms. women across the country, trump being ensured attorney client privilege. mothers, nurses, air force and that is just so striking to me. pilots, stepping up. >> here is the thing, her speakership, he have be known as one of the most influential speakers of our time. >> and this is what happens when you staff your administration with people who are ultimately that is something amazing to political. and see politics and being of service to president trump and trumpism above all else. see. so mick mulvaney as we know was a tea party member of congress. he has out maneuvered him and he grandpa, he was a pretty hard right hard can you tell me the story again? line conservative. and he came into the office of respects her. every family has their own unique story. management and budget basically >> look at all of the women that give your family the chance to discover theirs running an organization that is are v stepped up to run for
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this holiday season, with ancestry. supposed to fund the rest of the u.s. government having run his president, and it seeped so political career on cutting as natural for them. much from government as possible. amy klobuchar, marianne so i do think that it is interesting though that once williamson. again you have people around there was as many women as men trump as we saw with the mueller report who were at the very at one point, and quite frankly highest levels telling him i love that it wasn't such a big either no, no, no, or failing to following flew with his orders. story. >> yeah, there was so many women which is interesting. because however few guardrails not just running for president still exist around this but the historic midterm president, at least in this instance it appears that there elections. were some telling him enough. across the board, they stepped >> and one of the more striking things about this story is that on to the plait in 2019 and 2020 the president had xwexecutive and i think they're helping to branch lawyers working on a theory that key override normalize what people are congressional funding simply thinking when it comes to a because he was the president. which seems to of course thwart the whole system of checks and woman serving at president of the united states. actions speak this hollouder than words. balances which this government has rested upon. >> i feel like two presidential she was a school teacher. what was your takeaway? my dad joined the navy and helped >> similar to your. elections ago, judging women for prosecute the nazis in nuremberg. the stone of their voice or
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their values are why i walked away from my business, i think this takes back to cleveland, but they were stories took the giving pledge to give my money to good causes, that we tried very hard not to ukraine scandal. and why i spent the last ten years we recall the july 25th phone call in which the new president fighting corporate insiders who put profits over people. of ukraine, zelensky, asked for cover, but it seems as if renewal of u.s. military i'm tom steyer, and i approve this message. aspects of women were the support. and they are fighting russian because, right now, america needs stories and this time around, more than words. proxies on the border and trump unless i'm missing something, it we need action. says yeah, i want a favor though. and introduces this request for is the message and the campaigns what would amount to political and fight. >> that is right because whether assistance in his campaign. and the aid that trump was or not it was four or eight making conditional had been years ago, there was something voted by congress, it had broad bipartisan support, something that the trump administration had done changing the policies of the obama administration. novel. and here is a top group that the they can take out their message to the public. following month, the phone call never once did we talk about takes place in july and then in what she was wearing. we talked about when she was august, you have mike pompeo pretty hard lined trying to tow doing well, her upsets, and how the line, trying to be a presidential guy, joining with she is playing through and raising money. there is nothing there that has the new defense secretary mark to do with the fact that she esper, someone very close to pompeo, and john bolton who is
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getting increasingly unhappy happens to be a woman. about what he is seeing swirling i wish the republican side of around the ukraine issue going to the president saying, sir, we the aisle could do better with need to stop this, we need to it. let's talk about sports and the get the military aid moving again. soccer team, the women's soccer this is a key national priority and it doesn't happen for some team, winning the world cup but weeks later, doesn't happen also something very important to know your value. leading the charge for e wall until it is about to blow because the whistleblower pay. >> it was a milestone to see the complaint. so useful in focusing our minds women's world cup, just on just how insistent was this incredible to see the excitement demand. doesn't matter if the congress voted it, he is the commander in chief and can overrule it surrounding it and fighting for against the strong criticism from his national security team. equal pay. the conversations around equal mr. president, don't do that. pay in this country and the >> and picking up on that, the world, it is a conversation that has been going on for quite some time now. story is, are and i think when you're a the story is remarkable. individual woman that has a we know that since the moment she became speaker, nancy pelosi really didn't want to go down the path of impeachment but felt platform like playing for the like her hand was forced. u.s. women's world soccer team, and by reading this piece, the reconstruction of what happened, you have a responsibility to
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don't you think that -- she elevate yourself and lead the didn't have a choice here, conversation and to lead the right? she had to take this step. >> absolutely not, she didn't charge. have a choice. and these feel soccer mayers are and seems that what is clear in the "new york times" piece is doing exactly that. that trump does not and did not there is young women that feel and does not want these folk to like if their not getting paid testify because they will in some ways reveal that there was enough, they want to follow suit well, i certainly respect wrongdoing at the heart of this. and have the confidence to do so. >> i think it is a great they and so in-it is really important as i read the piece to really think about the were able to use their pace to do activism. subpoenas of mulvaney, fulton, the moment that megan raised her pompeo, we have goat thehave to >> that's mayorok beat buttigie hand after she won, it will stay slamming former vice president joe biden for his voteok to in our memory. guys under oath and it provides i remember all of these young authorize theok rackiraq war. more justification for nancy girls looking up to this team pelosi to not send the articles and i'm so proud of them for that came with4/i%9 interview for iowañi public using that platform in a way television. he criticizedçó biden for the to the senate unit we gless we that was very beneficial to these folks under oath. october, 2002 vote when biden everyone. >> i want to conclude. represented delaware in the senate. >> anybody request qualified to >> and mcconnell and schumer have yet to come to much of an on the passing of koki roberts, agreement. >> and despite the concerns from runi] if they -- i think it's at least one republican lawmaker i think there is a political and senator is john kennedy is
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defending mitch mcconnell for vowing to work with the white house ahead of the senate's h(lc% if they -- i think it's impeachment trial, just in an interview last week with an nbc personal loss. >> you said it right there. reflects on foreign policy judge affiliate in anchorage, lisa she was such a legacy. comment is so important for us murkowski said that she was in the u.s. >> elizabethi warren's campaign disturbed by mcconnell's you look to a woman like her who coordination with the white has seen a significant drop in achieved what she has achieved fund raising this e1o house. in her life and losing someone a here is a response to those in an email sent out to her supporters on friday, warren like that can be so devastating says so far her campaign raised remarks. >> i think senator mcconnell is $17 million in the fourth and you remember what she quarter. entitled to his opinion and his that's a 30% drop from the approach. so is senator murder cmurkowski accomplished and you learn from previous quarter which brought them and they have paved the way in $24.6 million. for you and when you see what the numbers come after warren's she has gone through and you and senator schumer. momentum has slowed in recent this is both jury and judge. think can i do this? the chief justice is not the can i get there? months. judge, he is the presiding and former new york city and you see someone like her has mayor michael bloomberg is done it and gotten this and spending millions of dollars officer. there are no standards of proof. accomplished what she did -- each week in online ads inok >> on that note i grew up as a there are no rules of evidence. battleground space attacking young girl in arkansas watching president trump. and every senator unless we pass "the new york times" reports that the ads are focused on her and being so inspired by her seven battlegrounde1 states suc a new rule by 51 votes in the not even necessarily to go into as pennsylvania, wisconsin where senate is entitled to approach polls show trump is likely to bi it his own way. journalism but be excited about i thought that the house competitivei] in november.
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proceedings were unnecessarily politics. >> thank you all, we barely over the last month on unfair. and when the american people facebook and google, bloomberg walk away from the senate trial, spent $18 million on ads attacking thet( president. ag&h% if we ever have one, i don't want them saying, well, we were just runoff by the same thing scratched the surface. according to a digital messaging firm. twice. president trump has repeatedly he is expected to spend between >> so meanwhile house minority 300 and $400 million on whip steve scalise arguing yesterday that speaker pelosi advertising across all media attacked new york, he says before the super tuesday has a, quote, duty to send over primaries in okmarch. this price tag will be almost equal to what president çóobama articles of impeachment to the senate. chief deputy whip for the dcaucs campaign spent onlp aetertising over the course of the entire 2020 general election. says that they will be sent over and, jeremy, you have some but it might not be until february. >> well, it is our duty to turn reporting on mayor bloomberg and governor comeau has lost his it over, it is not like some his huge spending. what did youe1 learn about mayo mechanism she can control. bloomberg's strategy for the the house passed it, they mind. trump and his family was charged shouldn't have. democratic primary? >> do you believe speaker pelosi >> so what they're trying to do with a $2 million fine. is overreaching by trying to here is what 16 republicans and the manhattan district attorney influence a senate trial? is seeks his tax returns as part hillary clinton failed to do in >> well, it is not her role to of a criminal investigation into 2016. and that's find a way to attack go over to the senate. payments made to adult film star she could run for the senate if she wants to be a senator. president trump in ads that is but the house has a role, the actress stormi daniels. effective withe1lp voters. senate has a role. and it is time for the senate to and some of you might recall do their job. there are was a big debate in look, for months she was saying >> yeah, he is saying he hates sbratic circles in the clinton how important it is that they
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have to remove this president campaign in 2016 about how do the officials in new york city you do that? immediately. he is a threat to their whole how dot(çó you tell people someg way of life. and the city of new york. new about president trump that and then once they passed the is negative that sticks in it impeachment, she doesn't want mñpafter hisw3 character or oth the senate to get the papers to start the trial. they can't have it both ways. things about hisñi policies tha when i talk to people in he supports? i think people see through the and they found that what the charade. politics they say that is >> so over the weekend, interesting. you figure it has to be worth a president trump of course few votes in florida now that he reupping his attacks on speaker can say i'm a resident of pelosi tweeting that crazy nancy florida and you don't hear at bloomberg campaign is finding, the character attacks don't work. people know who donald trump is. pelosi should spend more time in this stage people talking about they've made a judgment about her decaying city and less time what they think of him personally, what they think florida being a place for a on the spooeimpeachment hoax. about his morals>!s" ethics. but what they are open to you can't help but think that rethinking, thisxd data that the attacks will get more robust bloomberg has been looking into and much louder as the president shows, is the way that he has waits until the senate trial begins. whether or not it will bleed failed to keep some of hise1 e1 into february is the question. democratic advantage. promises. in a state like michigan, for i'm not necessarily confident >> my final words go to john example there are would be that it will. infrastructure, right? i'm not necessarily confident where's the big infrastructure that the speaker will hold it lose. my prayers for a speedy plan that president trump out until then. recovery. promised? so it'see1w3 finding little nic it will be the first election >> seems like wofbone of the that millennials and gen z will attacks like that on his record that e1work. motivations to withhold the and whether or not those are effective at peeling away some of trump's softer support, i parlgs is parlgs is out number boomers. don't know. perils is to drive the president i'm not going to venture a guess crazy. >> i want to second what eddie
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one wonders if it will become to that.lp politically untenable for her to but, if anybody could do it and hold on to them. said about representative lose. try it and has the money to find you go back and every time i we haven't seen much of the the right formula, it's michael president this week, in the read congressman lewis's bio i midst of a vacation at his club bloomberg. and those numbers are just so staggering. i mean, $400 million. in mar-a-lago. still, my mouth drops open. i got to spend time down there. >> unbelievable. >> in the next two, threei] mons is -- that's a lot of çóassets. >> no golfing? >> no golfing. everything he did over the >> i might say a twisted course of a storied life, his baby ra political mind was asking who i3 been raining a lot. making money offlg of this snow which cleeds leads to more twe. making money offlg of this snow who is really pta public service and concern for we haven't seen him, but we're >> certainly there are people hearing from him. his fellow services. who are. clearly he is not happy. it's overwhelming -- appearance >> and when donald trump keeps >> as we look at the horrific being until hinged on twitter, that fuels the democratic appearance an overwhelming narrative that he is off kilter, killings that took place over number. the trump campaigne1 feel like that he is a man unhinged, and they've made up their mind. the weekend, the rise of they're trying to find new trump that isn't necessarily harmful idn't turn ing to find new trump out last time around whot( migh to them. extremism is something that has have a fairxd pchb him or someo what is harmful though is if this extends and democrats look who just is just disenchanted sadly defined us in the last few like that they aren't actually with the whole political system and feels that perhaps governing and pursuing years. impeachment is unfair to the impeachment and they are when does this become something president. this sort of ad blitz have it pursuing taking donald trump out that people speak out against. of office, but they aren't going to be effective? actually doing anything, which we're so distracted by is why i do think that it was perhaps justt( a relentless w3 everything that this president brilliant that they went forward with the new usmca. does, this warp speed news i
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borage, would that wear down thd cycle. but someone calling for a nice president's numbers? time-out, let's reassess who we 9ñ are, it could be a poufrful and i mean, talkjf about the proble with our democratic system. so they have that going for them. one of the first, you know, >> still ahead on "morning joe," reeducation frommi issues that's on the list is the joe biden walks back the comments that he made saying role of big money in our that he would not comply if subpoenaed to testify in the politics. reeducation fromming -- power and whether you're on the left president's senate impeachment or the right, the role of big trial. what the former haven't is and reforming. >> the new england patriots money determining, affecting our saying now. but first a check of the missed out on a first round bye, decision making seems to be a forecast. and what a mess in the problem. what do you make of bloomberg middle of the country. blizzard conditions. and we had our college chip yesterday even seven tornados in areas of mississippi, these are about it. pictures out of minute and it match up. thefáfá total amount of lpobama was just a nightmare, a sheet of ice in some areas as the cold we have clemson and lsu. election in 2012, he'sxd alread air moved in after the rain. close to reaching that figure. today we're actually getting that does it for us but let's >> unbelievable. snow on top of that too. finish by seaing happy new year could change the political so still treacherous roads and thank you to everyone on the landscape considering the especially in the northern show, the crew, you for spending from then until now. plains. >> even for me as a progressive, the great lakes now, the green in the areas of yellow, that is 2iehguy, but i'mt( watching, sorry mike barn kaclee rain. as cold air moves in, it turns to blue and that is snow. worried about this kind of money in our politics. and we've had a met in the his northeast overnight. team have been careful to convey we went from rain to freezing rain and sleet in many areas and ran out of time. that they are out to defeat the roads are a mess. >> atu church, a synagogue, and trump. they are out for the democratic as far as the airports go, the nominee. big cities like new york and
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whoever this would be. they would love that, of course, hartford and boston, it is all to be michael bloomberg and rain so we're not worried about they're going to spend a lot of rabbi home. cancellations, but clays marred by bloody attacks on money to make that happen. definitely. >> would they? and if you are driving anywhere or is it just to make sure that north of albany on the mass pike sunday. a gunman fired on worshippers especially in western mass and donald trump doesn't get killing on two people. re-elected? >> i think michael bloomberg a live stream of the service would be content to be president of the united states. northern in thnew hampshire, th captured it all. there's a lot ofw3 resister aan where the snow is. so middle of the country is doing okay today. a slow recovery in the northern plains. winds are gusty and the snow is blowing around. him in the political party. so still some travel issues they've got spend money not just a gun attacker at a hanukkah to prop up somebody who is seen there especially on 80 and 90. by a lot of progressives as too anyone in the southeast, a passing shower or storm. celebration at the home of a rabbi. we have reporters at the scenes imperious ande1 who has bane and get ready for a changeable day in washington, d.c., 66 tend of the december, but the cold republicbeen air will move in after showers a republican. >> let's mark ite1 down. e1 and storms. so let's take you through your jeremy peters say michael holiday forecast going first bloomberg will be content to be president. tomorrow, snow showers >> content. thoughts. continuing in the great lake, heavy snow in in which in that a new hampshire and areas of maine. next big storm in the northwest tonight and through the day tomorrow and that is where the messy weather is. the stroke of mid night, everything is pretty calm, just a bit of snow in this morning new england.
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his chief international security and diplomacy analysts for nbc news and msnbc. we want to get your take on two big stories this morning. >> two major things developing overseas right now. u.s. officials saying they have successfully targeted an some things are too important to do yourself. ♪ iranian-backed malish group get customized security with 24/7 monitoring from xfinity home. iranian-backed militia group in awarded the best professionally installed system by cnet. iraq. they say that they conducted three separate strikes, one in simple. easy. awesome. call, click or visit a store today. iraq r o iraq r o iraq, one in syria. also "the associated press" is reporting that the taliban's ruling council agreed to a temporary ceasefire on sunday which could provide a pact to a peace deal with the united states. the white house has not yet after initially saying that commented but the u.s. has he would refuse to testify, joe maintained that any peace deal would have ensure that they biden is now reversing course on that. on friday during an appearance would not use afghanistan as a
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before the des moines register base. let's talk first about these strikes with regards to iraq editorial board, biden said that here. it seems as if these strikes, he wouldn't comply with a subpoena for the testimony, but admiral, were spoken about in a way to de-escalate what's at an event the next day, he happening now in the middle east backtracked. and overseas there. here is what he initially said but in fact, that's not what followed by his then he reversal. >> do you stand by your earlier will feasibly happen with statements that you wouldn't yo regards that these strikes and deescalation? >> you're correct. let's just role the tape back. if you go back to late summer, comply if you were systemed? >> correct. and the reason i wouldn't, it is we saw iran striking tankers in the gulf, actually seizing a because it is all designed to deal with trump doing what he has done his whole life, trying to take the focus off him. britt think what it is about. british tanker. high school all about what he and then shooting down a u.s. drone, a big, very expensive drone, and then attacking the does all the time. saudi oil fields. we've seen a pattern of his entire career, take the escalation through the fall. then they kind of hit pause. then, what we've seen over the focus off. last few weeks, last month or this guy violated the so, are these rocket attacks constitution. first of all, i would obey any directed at u.s. personnel subpoena that was sent to me. inside iraqi bases. but the point i was making is as actually killed a contractor. so this is the first loss of it relates to me is that the
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life. it's actually a pattern of only rational reason, and you'd escalation, not deescalation. know this, that i could possibly be called in an impeachment thus, the u.s. in return for these rocket attacks have gone trial was can i shed any light on whether or not he committed the crime he is accused of. after these hezbollah militia. and there is no reason to believe that i would have any these are clearly tied to iran notion about whether he committed that crime. every single solitary person has and the kuds force which is investigated what happened in their global terror enterprise ukraine including all the people in the is war unfolding in front under oath in his administration of our eyes. this is not deescalation. said biden is clean as a it's quite significant. whistle, biden did his job be. the question is did in fact >> secretary of state pompeo spoke to reporters yesterday trump do his job. indicating that a strike that is >> so he went on, he tried to clear up the matter in a series required needs presidential of tweets on saturday, because approval. you talk about this being that seems as how people are escalation. what should we be looking for in clearing things up. he said i want to clarify terms of response to iran? something i said, in my 40 years >> geopoliticalally iran is in public life, i've always going to continue to rachet up complied with a lawful order and in my eight years as vp, my military activity until they feel they're going to force the office unlike donald trump and west back to the gbargaining mike pence cooperated with legitimate congressional oversight requests. but i'm just not going to
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table to build some sort of version of the nuclear deal which is falling apart in front pretend that there is any legal of our eyes. so watch the arabian gulf. base for my testimony in an watch for naval interactions by impeachment trial. that was my point and i reiterate, this impeachment is iranian naval forces potentially about trump's conduct, not about against u.s. vessels operating mine. the subpoena should go to witnesses with testimony to in that region. and also watch for iran to make offer to trump shaking down the ukraine government. they should go to the white another move with hezbollah house. and jonathan lemire, as we with are talking around the table, it possibly sense israel. seems that there should be no as january hits us and unfolds, first statement, second it's going to be a reminder that statement, backtracking. the vice president, former vice president, should have this for all of our domestic turmoil statement in the bag. of the moment, there's a big should you kn difficult international set of he should know this this is coming and it doesn't seem like activities out there in front of he has a stated position on it us. iran will be one of them. here. >> that is absolutely right. >> david, let's shuft geaift ge and david ignatius, to pick up on yazmin's point, not only should the former vice president have had a good answer for this, the taliban. the issue of whether he would they have agreed to a ceasefire so negotiations are hopefully respond to a is, he is yet to going to go forward. but do you have optimism that this time will be any different than the last round of aborted have a good intereexplanation f hunter biden's role. negotiations? he doesn't really want to talk
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>> boy, optimism and afghanistan about it. and what do you think, what is his obligation here? let's be clear. this is not an impeachment trial don't fit together too well. of joe biden, it is an impeachment trial into donald so this demand for a ceasefire trump. but what is his obligation here, how should he be handling this? has been a condition the u.s. >> well, if he is going to be has tried to set in the talks politically smart, he needs to that have been going on off and on for about a year. understand that when impeachment gets to the senate, the issue of and theng that our biden's son, what he did in ukraine for the ukranian gas company burisma, efforts to ability to put pressure on our adversaries, put pressure on the u.s. and its afghanistan expose that to what the vice partners is our main resource as president was doing, those will we head into negotiations. be subjects. so they resisted this. joe biden may not like it, but they will be subjects of the so in that sense, i think if inquiry. he will be pressed to testify. i think that he -- you know, he this is a credible statement from their leadership and that they're able to enforce a ceasefire, that would be a would look i think wrong if he significant move forward. resisted the legitimate attempt as we remember all the elements to get him to testify. he seemed to understand that in for an announcement of a peace his second statements. agreement that would have u.s. i've said before on this show
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troop withdraw, afghan taliban that either hunter biden should have resigned from the position disavow with links to al qaeda, with burisma as many people at the time urged him to do as i've learned in my reporting or joe et cetera r et cetera, t biden should have shut up about ukraine. et cetera, et cetera, the it is tough to have it both president was willing to make a deal. that got blown up because of ways. coming up on "morning joe," attacks in kabul. the ceasefire's important. michael bloomberg's advertising but it's like any nafrt world, war against president trump launches a new conversation watch and see if it holds. about an old issue. >> very quickly on that last the insane amount of money in point. we know the president did try to politics. we'll get jeremy's new reporting on that next. invite the taliban to camp david that. was met with extreme pushback. he's going to certainly insert himself here, play a role in this deal. how do you -- what rirvegs asks rewards come from that? >> the risks is that the wheels come off and wednesday up in a vietnam scenario with helicopters lifting our wlaft few people out of kabul. let's hope we don't get to do is that point. i think there's a real possibility there's a one and three chance we can negotiate a
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conclusion here. we've got somebody on our side who's doing a great job, and that is our lead negotiator. he's an sfaern former u.african ambassador. if anybody can pull this off, he can. let's hope for a good outcome here. >> admiral, thank you very much and happy new year. >> same to you. as 2019 comes to a close, the "new york times" magazine a, inknow vatetors awe lost over te last year. s awe lost over the last year. i'm your 70lb st. bernard puppy,
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we need to take more time to find common ground. and so my mission is one that comes out aof a vision that was created long, long ago. it is a mission and a vision to empower people. >> that was the late congressman elijah cummings moments after being sworn in the house of representatives in 1996. he is one of the profiles featured in this years the lives they lived this issue of "the new york times." joining us now, bill from the "new york times" magazine. thanks fob for being here. representative cumming's loss felt deeply by many people on this show. he is far from alone from lives lost this year. tony more gone san, lu tony morganson, post release
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control like perry and others. >> this is where we put together a package of notable folks who died. when we say notable, it's not ju icons. elijah cummings, judith krantz, pegly lipton, doris day, a lot of titans. but then we try to mix that together with people who just lived incredible lives and who, you know, were important in ways that a lot of times readers didn't understand. so the idea is this isn't the most important people, it's not the most famous people, it's just a collection of people who can say something. >> well, bill, i was so moved by the obituary for the 10-year-old young boy, ed by hill the 4 km
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w and it was a moving tribute to an important young life, but to the promise that was extinguished and the tragedy of that loss if the was a spectacular tribute. >> inkcredibly moving and sad story. the writer of that, matt, who is one of the top editors on the up in, went to st. louis and wasn't sure who he was going to write about. he happened on this story of eddie hill. he was an incredible student. he was planning to run for sixth grade president. there was gunfire outside of his home and he went to see what was going on and a bullet hit him in the chest. one thing that was especially gratifying was, that's in the piece have when matt told his father that he was going to be included in this package of notable people the father said, you know, he would have been one of those people. his name would have been everywhere. and so, you know, this is a nice memorial to somebody, you know, that he gets that in tragedy.
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>> and, bill, as you were pointing out, not all of these people are famous for good reasons. and one of the more is rosy who -- one of the most famous cheatners all of sports. so tell us a little bit about that one. >> well, you know, sam wrote that, another editor of the times. i think just loves to ferret out those sort of like chewy kind of complicated stories. she was somebody who crossed the finish line, you know, well before anybody expected any of the women to cross the finish line. and, you know, they had the celebration, but from the very beginning they knew that something was up. they looked at photos, they looked all around and they realized that she never run the race at all. with you to the end she always declares she was the rightful winner. really complicated. >> it was interesting to read her obituary because it made me sad for her life and what she
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had been through. when you remember that whole situation with the boston marathon, you think about it then and what she went through subsequently after that was just astounding and all the trials and tribulations that she dealt with psychologically pntd t. and the way that you ticked through things, eddie hill, like it seems like he had lived a long life despite he was only born in 2009. then you this youtuber that committed sue zblied thaticide. >> and then that piece gets into all the drama that gets goes young people around youtube and it wond up beiund up being not t his troubled life, but this whole dynamic that existed in people putting themselves out there online. >> this shows us that death is not the kind of possession of only the famous. >> no, that's right. >> that it's uquick wittybic qu
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we talked about it in the earlier statement with the announcement of stage four kans we are john lewis. in putting to the do you see a sense of a generational transition? >> that's right. so, i mean, not donl only do we elijah cummings, we have the mayor of the first african american mayor of a southern town. we have carrie ann lucas. >> tony morrison. >> yes, tony as well. i think you're right about the generational thing that a lot of these struggles, these right struggles of the '50s, '60s, '70s, that a lot of those folks are reaching the end of their lives and this is a way to give tribute to the ones that we all know like elijah cummings. but then some of these nofolks that we don't necessarily know. >> thank you for giving tribute to so many important people and
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lives who are missed. the new issue of the "new york times" magazine is on news stands now. bill, thank you. and still ahead, a jewish community outside of new york city has been shaken by stabbing on one of the last nights of hanukkah. it's a string of the latest anti-semitic attacks across the country. plus, a gunman opens fire inside a texas church. authorities stay was the worshippers who brought an end to the attack. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. great riches will find you when liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,
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r . i said very early on, people said what do you look for in i said i always look for a person that could be a role model. i don't think president trump say role model for a lot of different youth. that's me personally. i don't like the way that he tweets, some of the things he says. his word choices sometimes are not my word choices. >> that's james lankford of obama with some strike comments about the president saying he does not believe president trump is a person young people can look up to. i'm jonathan lemire alongside abc global analyst elise jordan. joe and mika have the morning off. still with us, we have the professor at the princeton university, eddie glaude here. >> the. >> yes. "new york times" reporter jeremy peters.
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columnist and associate editor david ignatius. jiendingi jie and joining the conversation alexi mccammond. let's get to the top stories. >> the "washington post" is reporting after months of rising tension between the u.s. and advance, president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani took part in a 2018 phone call with venezuelan president tic las maduro in order to ease him from president. pete sessions took part in a, quote, shadow diplomatic effort to remove maduro from power and reopen resource had rich venezuela to business. one former senior administration official telling the post that word of giuliani's call with maduro eventually reached white house officials who did not know why the former mayor was actually involved. the post notes that then national security adviser john
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bolton rejected the plan to ease maduro from office. joining us now, hans nichols. we want to get your reaction on the story i was just talking about, but first you actually have some news with regards to ukrainian president zelensky. >> and this involves the sul secretary, current secretary of state mike pompeo. they have just announced he will meet with zelensky on january 3rd. but the meeting with zelensky especially as we're piecing everything together that we know about the aid, how was withheld, what everyone was thinking about it, that is going to be a stunning and interesting trip. as for this giuliani freelance dro diplomacy, the white house officials were unaware of it and when they did become aware of it they tried to skelch it ouquelc
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it wonders how much more freelancing is going on out there on foreign policy, domestic policy? you know, presidencies, white house, they want a little distance and have someone suggest something. they might have a congressman like pete sessions try something out. but i think this white house seems to be unique in the number of trial blues and the number of balloonists, if that's the right word there, that they actually employ to put these ideas out there. and we'll have to find out more about what rudy's ultimate goal here is. think it bears noting that the policy on venezuela, regime change that john bolton wanted, that is to have a successful departure of maduro, had not worked, right? maduro is still in power. they've tried a variety of different means to get him out and he remains entrenched in there. i'm not just saying this to give kudos to the associated press, but you'll recall that article back in 2017 where the president apparently wanted military options on venezuela. and i was in the pentagon time
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scam being am trying to figure out what sort of military options the pentagon was presenting the president for a potential action in venezuela. >> right. >> hans, just to follow up on secretary pompeo and his meeting with zelensky, it has been previously reported that secretary pompeo would not be conducting meetings at the u.s. baeps embassy in kiev, he would be doing these off-site which is a break in his protocol. what is going to happen with those meetings? is secretary pompeo going to go -- have you heard anything about whether he will grace the u.s. embassy that he oversees with his presence? >> yeah, i don't -- i don't know that. i think in the past some of these meetings have been at presidential palaces or prime minister's residences. you've got the maiden where you
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have the seen of the conflict. there's two or three parts where the presidential trip, secretary of state trip, a lot of it has to do with where you go, the symbolism of it. i don't know if david was on the trip with us when we went to the secretary of state of defense but landed in ankura and it was to show erdogan at the time with carter where the coup took place and show him the bullet halls along the way in the parliament. there's always symbolism in the location you go to in addition to the official message, which sometimes gets muddled in whatever diplomatic speak they talk about when they're finished and they conclude their meetings. guys. >> i don't think i was with you on that trip, but i remember a bunch of others. >> different trip. >> yeah. >> your basic point that these location venues are carefully chosen is absolutely right. it's an interesting time for pompeo to be going to kiev and
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try repair a little damage. it's been note worth at this time last several months that russia has had the central role and the diplomacy involving ukraine tried to sponsor talks that would ease the fighting in the eastern region of ukraine between the ukrainians and russia proxy force spots we'll s so we'll see where that goes. one thing like people like us who travel, secretary of states, secretary of defense, et cetera, know that sort of outside meddling, every white house has somebody who's a lawyer or friend of the president who wants to get involved in foreign policies, got friends overseas who make some phone call to this one or tries to go broker that one. it's not that this is a unique problem. it seems especially acute in the case of rudy giuliani who has mixed this role of lawyer with clients overseas with the friend
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of the president with interests and foreign policy issues to an extent that is, i find, a little bit unusual. so when these officials travel, they probably have an eye over their shoulder where's rudy today. >> first of all, the ap will always thank the compliments for our reporting. i think it was in bedminster when i was there that the president mused about a look of pure panic on nikki haley's face as she was hearing that for the first time. i want to go to ukraine, an issue you curved very, very closely. what do you make year, this announcement from the secretary of state to visit zelensky as we are two weeks or so from the start of an impeachment trial that's all about ukraine? >> i'm amazed it hasn't happened sooner to try to repair some of the damage what that hthat has about off of this information coming out about how the
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president of the united states essentially tried to, you know, extort political aid from a country that very are soly sole on our aid. the problem with giuliani and this administration who keep talking, you know, their talking points are when marie yovanovitch be ousted, u.s. body to kiev was testifying, donald trump jr. was tweeting i hired people like donald trump to fire people like yovanovitch, the point being these are unelected democrats accountable to know one. at least the secretaries swear an oath to the constitution. it's unclear who rudy giuliani is accountable to other than clients who pay him for the access he seems to be flaunt togethflaunting
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to white house officials. >> and the elephant in the room amidst all of this is the kremlin, moscow, russia, vladimir putin and the kremlin a announcing yesterday pooud putin thanking him the information that helped prevent terrorist attacks over the new year period. according to the kremlin, moss now initiated the call and agreed to continue by lateral cooperation in combatting terrorism. "the wall street journal" notes, however, that the white house did not immediately confirm the call. alexi, weigh in for me on this scenario here when you think about pompeo feasibly meeting with sclezelensky and then this phone call between president trump and putin, not necessarily knowing what was talked about, but wondering if, in fact, ukraine was talked about in this phone call. >> that's right and that's the million dollars question. but the big picture takeaway
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that i'm gathering from all of these reports is that president trump is not just having an interesting end to this year in 2019, but he's really gearing up for a 2020 that is going to be pulling him in several different directions. not just with the senate impeachment trial, but, with a 2020 re-election campaign. we know he likes to go out and rally with supporters. but then you see mike pompeo going out and having meetings with the leaders that's at the center of the news. and then you see rudy giuliani going rogue and inserting himself in these deals and factionals that he otherwise might not be equipped to be dealing with. the question of accountability is a real one because how much could go wrong and to what extent could things go wrong when people who are not equipped or ill equipped to deal with foreign policy, especially at a time as he is -- and these are the not only problems that we're
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dealing with. north korea hasn't given up their nuclear weapons. there's fallout from the removing troops from syria. but these are all the things that are facing the president as we're moving forward in nao what's going to be a busy year for him pulling him in several different directions. we see how he reacts on twitter and in front of reporters when the pressure gets too hot. >> this is hardly the first time a kremlin readout is released. they haven't confirmed the call or given any sort of sense. jeremy, i'm struck by the idea, the president of the suits going to take a phone call from the president of uber, that's person to policy. but this white house keeps doubling down on things. the day that the house voted to impeach the president was the day that rudy giuliani showed up at the west wing tinning his investigati continuing his investigation --
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announce e announcing his investigation was continuing. >> i'm guessing one thing they didn't talk about was the 2020 presidential election in the united states and what types of interference russia may be plotting or executing as we speak. which is, of course, a huge issue that this white house still does not want to even confirm happening in the first place in 2016. and as electives tick through all of those enormous issues facing the country, facing the globe, you have the constitutional crisis at home and you have wars raging abroad. air strikes that the united states is conducting over the weekend. it reminds you how big things are, but then how small this election will be. this election ultimately, and trump campaign knows this and all the democrats knows this, will be decided by 200,000 people in a handful of states.
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and moving those people, trying to get them to the polls is going to be done on, frankly, some pretty small emotional often very divisive issues. and it's a question of what -- what kind of democracy do we deserve here? what type of dlection electiele be having and issues should web litigating in these elections? >> frankly there's an awful lot of bigger stuff going on. >> it seems that there is this inherent lack of trans sirnsly wh transparency between vladimir putin and donald trump. we don't know what is being said when they meet. did he confront him about election interference? we don't know. did they talk about ukraine? we don't know. yes, not every conversation between the president of the united states and a foreign leader we are privy to in the public. but historically we have mostly
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known what has been said in exchange. >> and to your point, it blows my mind that we are funding, as taxpayers, the nfc press office, the white house press office. why can't they just provide some basic transparency and get a simple readout if it really is as innocent as the kremlin season claiming and was about terrorism information sharing? this should be something that could be presented as a win if they actually wanted to be tr s transparents. >> president trump and kppresidt putin had a two-hour discussion. >> president trump has blasted to his $68 million twitter followers the name of the alleged whistle-blower that led
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to his impeachment. last thirst president tweeted an article that containted the whistle-blower's name. but then friday he used the name that placed him prominently in his timeline. at one point the tweet was no longer visible to some user. twitter says it was due to a technical glitch. hans, are we hearing anything from the white house with regards to this revelation of the whistle-blower's name? the president retweeting it and what we heard from twitter really? >> well, twitter's line is that the name wouldn't be taken down and we were on the phone with twitter late on saturday night, i believe, when there are these stories out there that somehow this tweet had been taken down. and their explanation was this was a technical glitch, to use their terms. twitter's terms of use agreement basically doesn't -- if they id aide the whistle-blower in in a
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w danger, that would violate the terms of use. what we've seen from the president is baby steps on this, right? it was six weeks ago that hallie jack scond h jackson asked him to do you know the name and we need to know, who is it. it seems like he's getting closer to publicly naming him which would mark a new threshold on this. we are in entirely different territory here. think we're all in for an interesting ride here in the next two, three weeks, or whenever impeachment happens. and to julia's point on the president and the white house, the administration trying to clean up the written -- kiev,
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sometime in may when the democratic primary, could still be going on, you could have president trump on a boulevard in moscow and, again, they haven't said they'll do this officially, but it's a reminder of what we're going to sort of the -- it's not even a split screen anymore, it's going to be a quad screen of all the different pieces, whether you're talking to voters in wisconsin, to jeremy's point what tith wha president is doing. >> the president of the united states keeps handing pr victories to vladimir putin. and not just the president, but people around him like secretary pompeo. i think you've made an important point. the u.s. has ceded a lot of its leading role in the ukrainian peace process in trying to rachet down the war happening in the east. now you have the president of france hosting the two sides trying to get them to talk and trying to get them to agree on a
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set of terms, not u.s. and you see a shift in the relationship in terms of, you know, the power play of releasing the call transcript before the white house. and kind of springing it on americans. you see a power shift in mike pompeo's press conference with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov. the russians are speaking out like the senior partners and relationship, something which they didn't allow themselves prior to the trump president sppresidentsy. during the 2016 campaign, they would say why would trump wanted somebody like trump in the white house? this is why. russia has a leading role, much stronger leading role on the world stage. it's asserting itself as the senior partner in the relationship with the u.s. and russia. the counterterrorism cooperation piece goes back all the way to george w. bush and 9/11, it's been going on since 2001.
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but the way that this presented is new. >> nbc's hans nichols, thank you very much. from the weather behind you i think we have a guess the president might be golfing later today. i will say a possible presidential trip to moscow does feel like the perfect season for trump 20 move. what could be more newsworthy than that? sl alexi, i want to go back to the whistle-blower. we're not going to say the person's name here. but the president has been edging towards this for a while. his allies have been bandying it about and now we have the retweet. how dangerous is this? >> you can talk to former whistle-blowers themselves who talk about how dangerous it is to be exposed and the implications that come with your name being out there publicly. but president trump has another problem that's inherent in revealing the whistle-blower's identity in the way that he
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treats them like a political adversary or a thorn in the side that he needs to destroy verbally or through his rhetoric or otherwise in order to boost himself up and get himself out of hot water with ukraine, with the impeachment trial that's about to happen. and that's exactly what we're seeing. nooetds nee he needs someone dhae deflethat; point to so he's not the source of the ire of the democrats who are disapproving of what he's done in this entire ukraine situation. he wants to, the goal it seems, is to introduce this character into the play that we are now all witnesses to in this audience and really drag that person's character through the mud to point out, oh, that person works for a democrat or they're inherently geagainst president trump, so nothing they sclerd is t said could be believed. he sees these numbers changing
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and he sees how republicans on the hill have been loyal to him. but he knows that americans are fluid in the way they're going to think about this so he's trying to change that as best he can he. >> he's been very clear, president trump has been very clear about what he thinks of the whistle-blower and what should happen to the whistle-blower. he said in my time these people were treated basically like the rats that they were, using more organized crime lingo. and it's not just the president who's tweeted out his name. president's son has tweeted out the alleged whistle-blower's name a couple months ago. >> alexi mccammond, thank you. julia, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," amid the battle over impeachment, former vice president joe biden walks back the comment about not cooperating with a congressional subpoena. you're watching "morning joe" and we'll be right back. watch and we'll be right back. ♪
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that's a live shot of new york city just a few blocks from penn station. our next guest has a provocative new piece entitled this is why your holiday travel is awful. he's a fellow at the watson institute for american politics at brownville university. he's also the author of the vanishing neighbor. and full disclosure, mark say college friend of mine. >> tell us about that. >> i'm still talking. i'm still talking. >> in full disclosure, we secured new york city i was at least -- there was at least one saturday night where we spent time cal lagt juculating how mu the tri-burrow bridge makes some
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tols in tolls. >>. >> i'm not sure what time is it is, but we're going move on. mark, your piece, which is terrific and i encourage everyone to read talks not just about penn station, but why penn station is emblematic for a failure of an investment into big infrastructure products in this country. you say that leadership, state, federal, it is to blame. explain what you mean. >> the temptation when you look at a place like penn station, is the second busiest transit hub in the globe, the first and west hemisphere, more people go through there than many other airports combined. the stiff baltimore goes through penn station every weekday, that number of people. it is a rat pit. is really a disgusting portion of the city. and people have been trying to redevelop it for 30 years. and the question i wanted to answer, why was that? and the temptation in most cases
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is to say it's a failure of leadership. and, in fact, what i found is there are powers have been diffused so thoroughly in state and local government that you can't get a big project done. >> aren't we fixing it, though? isn't there a multi, multibillion dollar project right now under way to fix it? >> the governor cuomo after years and years of effort, this is a 30-year effort. 30 years patent, moynihan started talking about this in the late '80s. here fwher nearly 2020. you're right, a new facility is going to open and that's due in large part to governor cuomo pushing and pushing. he's been governor for ten years. it shouldn't take this long for a station that takes in 650,000 people a day to be rebuilt. >> there's the particulars of pen station and city of baltimore trafl baltimore travels through it every day, as you put it. but this seems to me to be a
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kind of a part for hope, that penn station represents something of a bigger story for you. what are we to glean from the disaster that is penn station, as you write? >> so when progressivism is born at the turn of the 20th century, it was all about taking power away from political machines and corporate trusts and people who controlled power sort of at the micro level and putting it into central bureaucracies where they could do the public's business. in the '60s and '70s we discovered though those central bureaucracies, public authorities, blue ribbon commissions, city managers were in many cases correct themselves. so progressives, we progressives, i consider proges our focus. we wanted to move it down away from central nodes and that put in a new checks and balances such that a big project that was
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bad like robert moses built a cross bronx expressway and destroyed probably millions of lives, essential hundreds of thousands of lives, neighborhoods by building a highway across vibrant neighborhoods that then become really derelict. here -- there we had a bad project that no one could stop. here we have a good project that no one can get going. we have overcorrected for the "] abuses profit gressi abuses of the progressive era. >> i mean, we've had four separate infrastructure weeks at one point, usually happens during a major news cycle when there needs to be redirection from the white house. but, nonetheless, nothing seems to be getting done. every time you have a new presidential candidate they talk about infrastructure, it's part of campaigning and when they get into the white house nothing changes and nothing gets done. why is this happening? >> well, remember barack obama after the recovery started saying he was looking for
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chivalry projects and he couldn't find any. that's because in order to get a project done from the germ of an idea to completion, you need approvals from so many different people. and if one person says know no, 13 people have a veto, one veto means you can't get the project done. it used to be in a city like new york, there could be one power broker. his name from the '20s to '60s was robert moses. if he said yes, he could do anything he wanted no one could veto him. now we've gone to the another extreme where environmental, zoning, sometimes just raw politics, that's how mayor michael bloomberg's olympic skating was killed by a reform and by some mechanism why amazon didn't land in queens. on all of these issues, often the project is good, sometimes it's bad. but we've made it so that rather than being able to be -- not other we stopping bad projects,
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we're also stopping good ones. >> so, mark, given what you described as the bureaucratic mess of actually getting anything done with infrastructure, who are the democratic candidates who are looking at tackling the issue in an interesting way from your analysis? >> i think -- >> or is anyone? >> yeah. we are, as progress sifsives th there we're focused preexclusively on what we're going to get government to do. and rarely do we talk about the issue of get the ma you too nations of government to work. and i think within the public at large, there's a worry in many cases that if you give government power, it's just going to get caught up in red tape forever. and i think it would be -- it would behoove us as democrats to focus more on how we're going to get these bureaucracies moving again. >> great see you. good to --
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>> we'll have more from -- >> no, we will not be unearthing my college days, but we will be reading his new piece. still alert people of faith fight back when under attack. whether it's jews in hanukah new york, or christians apartment a church. those stories next on "morning joe." church. those stories next on "morning joe." [ suspenseful music ] you have a brother in the second battalion? yes sir. they're walking into a trap. your orders are to deliver a message calling off tomorrow's attack. if you fail we will lose sixteen hundred men. your brother among them. we need to keep moving. come on! there's only one way this war ends.
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welcome back to "morning joe." a man charged with attempted murder and burglary after stabbing five jewish orthodoxed people in new york is pleading not guilty. the saturday night attack happened at a rabbi's home in muncy, new york, on the seventh night of hanukah. according to one witness, the suspect entered wearing a scarf on his face while wielding a machete back and forth. victims fought back uses pieces of furniture in the home. the suspect then fled the scene and tried enter a nearby synagogue but was blocked by those inside of the synagogue. officials say the suspect was arrested nearly two hours later covered in blood. four of the five victims were treat and released from the hospital. new york governor cuomo called the attack on the jewish community an act of domestic terrorism. a lawyer for the suspect said he had a, quote, long history of
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mental illness and hospitalizations plaintiffs the m . also, two american dead after a shooting at a church in texas. the gunman was shot when parishioners at the freeway church of christ as two security guards returned fire. >> the preliminary reports indicated that the man entered the church and fired a weapon. a couple members of the church returned fire striking the suspect who died at the scene. the threat has stopped due to the heroic actions of those parishioners at the church. >> an official saying a man sat down in church yesterday afterinafte afternoon and pulled out a shotgun before killing those people in the church. you can't help, beddie, but scratch your head and say that
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what is happen? this is an attack on faith, whether it be a church, a synagogue, whether a rabbi's home, it's an attack on individuality, it's an attack on people that are different than others. >> first off, my heart goes out to the families, to their loved ones, this is -- this is tragic. it's evil. and i think we need to name it as such. we also need to understand that anti-semitic crimes have been -- have spiked since 2016. >> just three weeks ago. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and what we're living in is an environment of hate, of disregard, of devaluing where people are moving into their own silos and acting on their prejudices and hate treads prejudices and hatreds. and they're trying to find scapegoats, people to blame for their sense of being unsettled. we've been saying all along that we're in a moment of a
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