thank you for sitting here for in a big disinformation me last week. my thanks today to joel, elise, and jonathan. most of all, to you for campaign. watching. look. the root of anti-semitism going that does it for this hour. back 200 years, one of the "mtp daily" with katy tur in for documents is a russian chuck starts now. disinformation campaign from the czar of secret police called the protocols of the elders of zion. it still drives these haters. it still disseminated widely around the world. read by all these nazis and welcome to monday. it is "meet the press daily." i'm katy tur in new york in for clans men and nuts that do these chuck todd and we begin tonight acts. with some disturbing incidents it's 200 years old and still promoting hate and killing and a toxic political people. so yes, they can do more. environment. law enforcement can do more. a man burst into a new york communities can do more. rabbi's home during a hanukkah and houses of worship, every celebration this weekend and stabbed five people. denomination, mosques, churches, and in the wake of that incident, we're left grappling synagogues, temples, you got to with a range of uncomfortable have some security outside and inside. don't let a guy walk in with a questions. as the nation confronts a rise trench coat and a rifle. in hate crime violence. have your fire doors locked from questions ranging from why did the outside. but you can get out from the this man in particular do it? inside. have eyes and ears outside. to what are police doing to prevent similar attacks in the your congregation members who future? and why has there been a spike are retired cops, you know, or in crimes targeting jewish

army or police. communities, including in the new york area? and have some security to protect your congregation. new york city mayor, bill de that's really smart moves. and everybody -- the church blasio joins us live in our leaders, katy, the faith leaders studio. have to step in there and do we'll talk to him in just a few minutes. that because the police cannot but first, the latest on the guard every house of worship. saturday night in new york. it's just not possible. today, federal prosecutors filed >> jim cavanaugh. hate crime charges against the jim, thank you so much for joining us. with us now, as promised, new suspect grafton thomas. the fbi says it found york city mayor bill de blasio. handwritten journals containing i want to pick up where jim just several pages of what it calls left off, mr. mayor. social media. anti-semitic sentiments. and -- and the ease with which agents say they also found phone browser searches for temples and this -- this -- these ideas and this hate can spread. i mean, it's a tool of other jewish houses of worship, as well as searches about hitler and nazis. propaganda that -- that people saturday's attack came despite in the past could have only dreamed of. it's not just handing you a book an increase in patrols by the or handing you a screed or passing it in dark rooms. nypd in jewish neighborhoods. now, it's just right in front of an increase triggered by a you. you don't even need to click to sudden spike in anti-semitic incidents in new york and new get to it. jersey. it's just in your face. the anti-defamation league cited as the mayor of the largest city in america, a place where we've 18 anti-semitic incidents in new seen anti-semitic hate crimes on york this month alone. the rise. 18. and that does not include this i believe it's 17% just this month's shooting inside a kosher past year alone. market in jersey city, new what can you do to mitigate it? jersey. just across the hudson from new

>> yeah. jim cavanaul point. york. an attack that left three people dead. we -- we're dealing with societal change. today, senate minority leader chuck schumer said he is alarmed and so every city, state, by the surge in attacks in national government all bear synagogues and other houses of responsibility for addressing worship nationwide. it. but let's be real honest about >> the attack on the jewish the totality of the challenge. community was cowardly, callous, social media has created an environment where hate spreads calculated. and we have seen over the last like wildfire. and there are not those several years that there's been controls. jim is right to say those a rash of attacks on houses of companies could exercise a lot more control. worship of all kinds. i think they need a lot more regulation in general. i also think they need to step throughout america. and our houses of worship are up as corporate citizens and say we don't want to allow this to targets and they're defenseless. spread. we have to recognize that the atmosphere in this country in and so bad people, hateful the last few years has also, and people, terrorists, angry people a lot of this comes from choose houses of worship over and over again. washington, allowed a kind of permission structure for hate >> president trump condemned this week's attack tweeting that speech. we must all come together to that before was frowned upon and fight, confront, and eradicate the evil scourge of treated very, very differently by leaders all over the country. anti-semitism. so when you combine those two but today, his acting deputy things, the hate speech coming homeland security secretary out in the open, being spread by tweeted the attacker is the u.s. social media, being affirmed by citizen son of an illegal alien people in government.

who got amnesty under the 1986 it's a very dangerous combination. jim cavanaugh made a point. we now, with our mipd, have amnesty law for illegal immigrants. apparently, american values did not take hold among his entire created a unit focused on racial family. at least this one violent and and ethnic extremism. apparently bigoted son. the fact that we have to understand we are in a whole new world. we used to put a huge amount of he has since deleted that tweet. with me now, jim cavanaugh, intelligence assets in foreign terror threats to our city. retired atf agent and former more and more, we now have to look at domestic threats. hostage negotiator. >> what is that unit doing? jim, i'd say it's good to see >> that unit is now looking you but generally when i see systematically at all the kind you, it's talking about pretty of hate groups jim was just talking about. terrible news. the organized efforts. this is no exception. not the lone wolves. what can be done in order to we try our best to identify them as well. but there is a very organized prevent or at least mitigate this sort of thing? network of folks spreading the hate speech and encouraging is a federal law something that can help this? or is this something that needs violence. and sometimes that fact allows to be treated incident by incident? us to see something and stop it before the violence occurs. >> well, i think a lot can be >> you were on this morning. done. let's look, first, katy, at what i believe you were talking to the mayor's done. one of my colleagues. and right after you, one of the he stood up new hate crime task force new the nypd. city councilman here in new york the federal government could. the president, the attorney city had some criticism of your

general, could do some big steps. leadership after these look. i worked on these guys all my anti-semitic attacks. life. i just want to play that. i've arrested the nazis and the clan planting bombs at jewish >> i'm not quite sure what the temples. commanded cases where guys were mayor's talking about. and i think he's being less than going to shoot up jewish schools honest. and kill people. infiltrated the things with our the fact is that anti-semitism in new york, in his city that he agents. we fought them for years. has been the mayor for quite a they could throw atf back in the fight real heavy. few years, is unprecedented. that would really help. they could give the fbi what the numbers are beyond anything they need to do it. we've ever seen in history since they could even enlist special they started keeping records. agents at homeland security and wheth the secret service more and engage them in the fight as when will the mayor wake up in terms of the needs that he is units and not just as, you know, talking about right now? the jttf members. so a lot can be done there. anti-semitism, hate, fear in the jewish community is there every states and major cities that have, you know, these attacks, single day. and it's been going on for over specifically now, katy, talking about attacks on a jewish a year. and where has the mayor been to address this? community. can ramp up their, you know, >> former city councilman, i intelligence functions. should say. and people should listen to the for anybody who lives in new york city, they'll know him. he's been a very vocal leader in anti-defamation league. you know, i worked with them and the jewish community. what is your response to him? the southern poverty law center for years. >> he just isn't reflecting the these groups really help the facts of this city.

community. they help law enforcement. nypd has been on high alert people need to listen to them. numerous times. not just when there are problems check their websites. their reporting on these haters. in our neighborhoods in new york publicly on who they are and what they're doing. city. but when there's attacks on and -- and everybody needs to tune in. jewish communities anywhere in all good people need to tune in. the world, we ensure maximum >> let me ask you about how to classify people or target people nypd presence at locations all over the city. i've talked to leaders from the that might be thinking about community for years now who this sort of thing. michael susman, who is the affirm that the city of new york stands by them whenever there's attorney for the suspect has any kind of a threat. said he's got no history of look. we have changed our curriculum in our schools to teach young violent acts like this. he's not a member of any hate people not to fall for these group. the family of the suspect said voices of hate. to recognize how horrible and that they believe that he's got mental issues. dangerous it is to give in to an episodic treatment he was them. to understand the human reality receiving before he was of hate. released. how it comes back to hurt all and then you have jersey city mayor where that attack happened communities. we, in this city, this is -- a couple weeks ago saying -- this is a place that believes in saying we do need to think about respecting each other. and we are the safest big city how we classify it. in america. it's not necessarily just folks that's a fact. and we're a city that actually has come a long way to mutual that are skinheads or neo-nazis understanding. or obvious people that you would but as we've seen this national backdrop, and let's face it, classify as anti-semites who are this is now societal. what happened in pittsburgh. belonging to a certain group what happened in california. that you can target and root out. how do you -- how do you stop it we have flooded the zone with

when it's just one person who more and more nypd presence and more efforts to reach young may not show the outward signs people in particular and dissuade them away from these of anti-semitism? kind of acts. >> is it just about reaching? violent anti-semitism. i don't want to chalk this up to >> well, you hit the nail right on the head for a large part of economic opportunity, which some the problem. people might say. these mad dog, lone mad dog they're not getting the actors are sometimes hard to opportunity and they're stop. one thing is, you know, the susceptible to this belief. and they're susceptible to social media platforms blaming others and wanting to take out their rage on those others that they blame. allow the hate speech. is there enough being done just when we find these mad dog actors, sometimes they have been at the gut level, at the base posting a lot of anti-semitic level here in new york city, to or, you know, hatred against make sure that people who might muslims or hindus or whoever fall through the cracks are they want to attack. taken care of? the lgbtq community. that they're caught before they get down there. they -- they post all this that somebody is there to say, stuff. hey, we can look out for you. it's hate. well, look. we can get you a job. these social media platforms are we can help you with this. we can talk to you. not subject to the first is there a safety net in this amendment. only the government is subject to the first amendment where the city that can, potentially, find those people and stop them from government can't repress speech. free speech. ounded in history.to -- to those a c say we won't allow that speech. we won't allow hate speech in our platform. so how many times should a person be allowed to constantly what we saw in the last century post that rhetoric, that vulgar where hate speech grew into

screed? i say one time. political movements that then knock their ip off. became violent movements. we don't need it in america. that was very much rooted in we don't need that. and -- and the social media economic reality, as well. company can do that if they want >> yeah. >> we cannot pretend those as part of their contract. things don't go together. they're not relegated to the a lot of the frustration that same thing as the government. the government cannot do that because our constitution doesn't led to the election of donald allow it. trump was economic. i'm not purporting the you know, we understand there government should do that. are other factors as well. we don't investigate people for but we should be honest about their beliefs. this is a piece of the equation. but private companies are not do we have an extraordinarily under the same restrictions. >> so, jim, you're saying part strong safety net in new york of the problem is social media. city? yes. do we have constant efforts to and the -- the ease with which ensure, god forbid anyone is people can spread hateful ideas homeless, they have a right to on social media. shelter in this city. we have extraordinary job training programs. >> exactly right we have a booming economy. we've added 500,000 jobs in the last six years. there is a lot that helps us address exactly what you're saying. we increased the minimum wage to $15 an hour. all these things help. is everyone being reached? absolutely not. and is there frustration, economic frustration that's somehow part of this equation? i think that's a fair concern. >> what would you want to do to change that? >> look. i think we in this city know

we've got to keep investing in communities, particularly communities that haven't done as well. but to actually have the kind of economy that works for everyday people. to have affordable housing on a really global scale, if you will. that requires actual federal involvement that we haven't had literally for decades. this city, any city in america, suburbs as well, used to depend on the federal government for an active role in things like the creation of affordable housing. that's been gone for a long time for all intents and purposes. and it is another piece of this puzzle. >> do you see things changing? getting better with social media as it is? and currently, not changing with the leadership structures we have. with the homeland security director tweeting that it's an immigrant and that immigrant family and that's why he was -- insinuating that that's why he was violent. and then deleting that. i mean, do you see this getting better? >> i do, ultimately. first of all, what ken said w

was -- but yeah. i'll tell you why i think it can get better. you know new york city. crown heights, 1991. we had a horrible, painful conflict between communities. we had riots. back then, it would have been hard to believe that would heal. for decades now, we have seen people of all the different parts of that community, all the different ethnic backgrounds, come together. and we've seen a community that got more and more peaceful, more and more unified. we have been to those bad times and we found a way back. we have new challenges with social media. we have new challenges with the national environment. but in the end, most people are good. most people want unity. i certainly found this going all over america this year. most people want to resolve these issues. we, in local government, have to be there to meet them. we're going to have community patrols, in fact, in places like crown heights, that are multiethnic. that send a message of unity. that reach out to young people on all sides of the equation and say, you know, don't give in to hate. it's only going to lead to a bad place for all of us. so with painstaking work, we

can. but we must have our federal government be part of the solution. we must have change with our social media companies. or else we'll be fighting a headwind that often will be very, very difficult to beat. >> mayor bill de blasio. we appreciate it. and turning now to news from georgia. congressman john lewis, who has announced he is battling stage four pancreatic cancer. the civil rights leader is approaching his prognosis with the steady steadfast courage he's exemplified his entire life. he says he will return to washington and continue working. writing, i have been in some kind of fight for freedom, equality, basic human rights for nearly my entire life. i have never faced a fight quite like the one i have now. our thoughts are with the congressman and his family. as he begins treatment. as he begins treatment. with new creations to choose from; like rich, butter-poached maine lobster and crispy crab-stuffed shrimp rangoon. how will you pick just 4 of 10? it won't be easy. better hurry in.

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amid the impasse over an impeachment trial in the senate, "the new york times" dropped a major story today with new details about the president's

decision to withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to ukraine as he pressed for an investigation into his political rivals. the story includes new reporting, which illustrates just how alarmed the president's top advisors were with his conduct and how isolated the president was in his decision-making. according to the times, the president's national security team, including his defense secretary, his secretary of state, and his national security advisor, all met withn and release the aid. one by one, they made their case, "the times" reports, but the presidents responded ukraine is a corrupt country. we are pissing away our money. also, among the new revelations is a warning to the president's acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, via a top national security aide who cautioned, expect congress to become unhinged if the aid was frozen. adding that it might further fuel the narrative that president trump was pro-russia. that tidbit comes as we learn today that vladimir putin has invited president trump to moscow.

for more, i'm joined here on set by "politico" chief economic correspondent and cnbc contributor ben white. republican strategist and msnbc political analyst susan del percio. and democratic strategist and former new york state democratic party executive director basil. all right, guys. so for fear of the president looking like he is more aligned with russia, don't do this is what one aide said. congress is going to get -- become unhinged. congress didn't just become unhinged. they impeached him. >> exactly. >> so i guess -- i mean, this story fills in a lot of holes to what we already knew. my question is, gosh, i -- i wish i heard this during the impeachment hearings. i wish i saw those e-mails. >> right. i wish i heard it, too. i wish i saw the e-mails. i wish i had all the testimony from all these people. i mean, this raises the question for a senate trial. do we need to hear from these people? obviously, we need to hear from them. we need to hear from pompeo.

we need to hear from bolton. we need to hear from esper. we need to get the entire timeline on when this aid was withheld, why it was withheld, what trump said. who he said it to. if the republicans are serious about exonerating this president and making the case to the american people that he did nothing wrong, we need to hear everybody testify about all of it. >> so does this change the calculus for republicans? do they now want to hear from these people? or do they now say, no, no, we definite definitely don't want to? >> of course not because now you're opening up a whole new kettle of worms if you will or kettle of fish. can of worms. because what happens is they now have to relive, go through all of this testimony again. this is exactly what mitch mcconnell was warning the president about for the last month. no, you do not want a trial, mr. president, because this now puts mcconnell's members in a more difficult position for moderate states. and that being said, mitch mcconnell cares much more about keeping his majority than he does about the president being

re-elected. >> lisa murkowski is pushing back on mitch mcconnell. saying, hey listen, it's not fair for you to go out and say -- this is a paraphrase for everybody -- it's not fair for you to go out and say you're closely aligned with the white house that you're working with them on this. she says it only confuses matters more. she's been critical of democrats and the way they conducted themselves in the house. it lisa murkowski's feeling contagious? will other republicans say -- will we hear that from marco rubio who's told a veteran in the hallways of the senate. i don't know if you've seen this video. that he is waiting for all the evidence to really pay attention during a senate trial. will he say to mitch mcconnell i would like to hear all of the evidence? or will he say, no, a portion is just fine. >> on the question of it being contagious, you know, i hope it is. the truth is with more and more information coming out, i think it's more likely that it will be. which brings me to the -- >> you're optimistic. >> i'm optimistic only because i -- i -- i believe in nancy pelosi. and i believe in the fact that

she's, in part, withholding the -- moving the articles across the street because more information like this can come out. and it puts pressure on senate republicans to, i think, adhere perhaps to the op-ed in saying, you know what? you could agree that this was inappropriate and wrong even if you don't agree to convict. and i think what it does is push senators in a position, republican senators, in a position to have to acknowledge that their president can't be controlled. >> but is she also banking on the president demanding that he get a trial? he wants to see a big, entertaining show? >> he's not going to get a big, entertaining show he wants. it's not the way it works. you're not going to have senate members throwing out questions and making speeches. they have to write notes and send it to the chief justice, who is presiding over the trial. it's not the show he thinks. no one's walking away with a rose or getting voted off the island. it's not a whole glamour show. but what is important, i think to basil's point is i agree. i think there are republicans

who are going to want to come forward. not just because they know there's more information. but because they're afraid of getting caught in the bad place of not hearing all the information because eventually, everything will come out. and will they want to be on that side of history? >> let me play devil's advocate because i'm not so sure. i'm not sure we're going to see any republicans say i want to hear more information because it's going to be damaging for the president. what i want to know is, was it the correct move for democrats to close this up before they got the totality of the information? before they got -- when "the new york times" got the e-mails, shouldn't democrats have been able to get those e-mails? i mean, should they have pushed further in the courts to say i want to hear from bolton, let's go after that case. i want to hear from mulvaney, let's go after that case. should they have done more knowing that the republican-controlled senate is made up the way it is? knowing that mitch mcconnell is going to align himself with the president. i don't think anyone was surprised by that. is it a better idea to close it up, withhold the articles, and wait for it to come out in the press? or would it have been a better

idea to get it all in the first place? >> a part of this is they're continuing to push forward. and they have said that there could be further articles of impeachment if more information's brought to light. maybe there are. maybe there aren't. but i think they did know, or felt, that they had enough to impeach this president based on what was in the public record. >> they did and they say that. >> now, there is obviously, based on "the times." >> but in order to get more republicans, is it possible period to have gotten more republicans? >> i think politically it made sense because you're not going to get any more republicans. >> what about public support? >> but you control -- >> would the public support be higher? >> you know what you can control, right? you can control your chamber. you can control your caucus. but you can't really control the courts. particularly, when you have donald trump making all of these appointments under everybody's nose, by the way. so you don't know what timeframe that was going to take to force the administration to do what you wanted it to do. what nancy pelosi did was control exactly what she had control over. the process. and through that process, we've gotten these two articles.

and to my earlier point, in her waiting to send them across, we now get all of this -- this additional information. which will be used as ammunition. perhaps not in the best possible way but in some kind of way. >> you can also have democrats just coming out and saying look we want to hear from these people. we want the full truth to come out. and republicans are going to be in the position of saying no we won't let you know the full truth. and that is the possibility of changing public opinion if they're denying the ability of the people to get the information. >> we will have another week on this. all right, guys. stick around. you're coming back. coming up, vice president biden's 2020 vision comes into sharper focus. keep it here. my psoriatic arthritis pain? i had enough! it's not getting in my way. joint pain, swelling, tenderness... ...much better. my psoriasis, clearer... cosentyx works on all of this. four years and counting. so watch out. i got this! watch me.

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welcome back. the calendar still says 2019. but former vice president joe biden just got an early taste of what 2020 might hold for him if he is the democratic presidential nominee. at a campaign rally yesterday in new hampshire, biden had to deal with some interruptions from protestors. including some who repeated some of president trump's attacks on ukraine. >> the truth is going to come out, buddy. >> i hope it does. i hope it does. let her go. let her go. let her go. >> how much money did you make from ukraine? >> i tell you what.

wait. wait. wait. wait. i released 20 years -- 21 years of my tax returns. your guy hasn't released one. what's he hiding? >> shut up! >> no. no. no. no. just -- just -- just let him go. he's an idiot. let him go. >> joining me now is my nbc news colleague mike memoli who is on the trail with joe biden in new hampshire. so i'm asking you this, mike. is the campaign concerned about protestors like this? or do they couple people that a pro-trump that are going to come things, but they're not going to sway any particular joe biden voter. >> yeah. it's interesting, katy. i think in some ways, they actually welcome this kind of thing. i don't think it's been true of the other candidates but two of the events we ever o we've been coverering here just these past copile days, there have been organized trump campaign rallies

outside the venue. they have been waving their signs. there's been the, you know, the -- the -- the trucks with their logos. all of that on them. and i think it's a reminder to voters this is, as they view it, the most likely democratic nominee. the one that they're afraid of running against. but actually, biden in his events i think you just heard a taste of the way he's tended to deal with these things. which is say, hey, this is not a trump rally. let's hear them out. give them a chance to talk. but then he also turned quickly to say you're an idiot to the gentleman who kept talking over his events. so he actually has also made a point of saying this is why he's running. that we have to get back to a place in our politics where we can talk civilly with one another. that he knew that this was going to be a rough and tumble campaign. that's why he met with his family before to make the final decision knowing all the kinds of things that were going to come out in the course of a campaign. but this ukraine question is certainly hanging over the campaign. we have been talking, of course, about his -- will he or won't he question in terms of complying with the senate subpoena, him saying again today to a different newspaper editorial

board, if a subpoena is issued, we'll deal with it. he didn't say we'd comply with it. he said we'll deal with it. and so that's their position now. and -- but they view that as sort of a trap question, as well, katy because they also don't think republican senate is going to bring it up. >> i think let's talk about it if it actually happens but as you said, i'm not quite sure it looks like it's one of those things that will happen. mitch mcconnell, after all, said that he doesn't want to have a big showy trial. and that would certainly be one with -- with joe biden. mike memoli. mike, thank you very much. joining me now is the mayor of birmingham, alabama. randal. he recently announced his support for biden's presidential bid. all right. so let's talk about ukraine. and obviously, the president is throwing out unsubstantiated allegations. he's exaggerating joe biden's relationship or role. claiming things that did not exist. and he's -- he's got the support of -- of a number of his allies. but also, it seems some republicans out there who are suddenly now very suspicious.

including lindsey graham. do you think this is going to be a problem for him going forward in 2020? or, as mike said, is the campaign kind of welcoming this sort of thing because they feel like it can -- it can make -- it can distinguish themselves -- help distinguish themselves as the front-runners? >> well, and i first want to start by saying on behalf of all alabamians, that we are praying for and wishing congressman lewis a -- a -- a healthy, hearty fight through his process. in regards to your question, i want to make it clear everyone should be reminded that there is no legal basis for us to even consider vice president joe biden being a part of the conversation around what's happening with ukraine or a subpoena of anything of that nature. we need to remember that there's only one person that's been impeached in this process. and that is not vice president joe biden. so, no, i don't think this will be a problem going forward.

in the 2020 primary or the general election. >> how do you think the vice president should handle hecklers and protestors? >> i think he handled the hecklers well. i think it's in moments of campaigning when you have a heckler, it's important to actually listen to them sometime. because you can give an honest response, which i believe in the way the vice president did at the rally that we just heard. that was an appropriate response. hecklers come with the territory of campaigning. and i think the way the vice president handles hecklers in allowing them to speak briefly and then responding to them. and then being able to pivot right back to his -- his message and what he wants to share with those supporters at these rallies and during these campaign stops. i think he handled it very well. >> what is -- what do you think of joe biden's support in alabama? are there convincible voters that -- that might have voted for donald trump in 2016 that could -- could change to joe biden's camp in 2020?

>> listen. i -- i spoke to a voter yesterday. a lady that's 102 years old. she'll be 103 next august. and she was adamant that she wants to live to see 103 because she wants to make sure that alabamians do the right thing in voting for joe biden. now, she said she wants to vote for joe biden because she trusts joe biden. and she knows, through him being vice president those years, he's ready to serve day one. i think she's not alone in her assessment. i believe many alabamians feel the same way she does. and i think as this race continues to come forward, particularly as relates to super-tuesday, he'll do very well here. and i think some of the things that are being said from -- on the right side in the republican party, i think those independents in the state of alabama, i think independents across the country will be receptive to supporting joe

biden as well. >> you have some die-hard trump supporters in alabama. joe biden says that if he were elected president, he would be able to bridge the divide between democrats and republicans. both on capitol hill and across the country. do you see that happening in alabama? >> i do. i believe that joe biden has -- has a wide spectrum of appeal with blacks and whites. with the hispanic community. with all the generations. with various social, economic statuses that exist here in our country. he is a healer. he wants to unite the country. and i think the way he's able to engage rural america, urban america, suburban america, he knows how to appeal to all people. and find a way to get beyond partisan politics around governing. and i believe in the state of alabama, he can have an appeal more than to just democrats. >> quickly, you got the backing from bernie sanders, our

revolution group, for your 2017 mayoral bid. why did you choose to endorse joe biden over bernie sanders? >> you know, i had a long conversation along with other mayors with vice president joe biden. and from that conversation, he was -- he -- he appealed to not just me but many other mayors across the south around being a partner. not only in his campaign but being a partner in the white house. but beyond that, as i considered this race and all the things that are at stake, when you talk about redistricting is at state, the competitive senate races in the state of alabama, georgia, kentucky and many other states. we need a candidate at the top of the ticket that can support down the ballot, candidates as well as make sure we can expand the map across the 50 states. that's vice president joe biden. that is not -- not on senator sanders or any other candidates. it's just what we have to do to move this country forward that's in support of joe biden. >> mayor randall woodfin.

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still with us to talk about 2020 is ben white, susan del percio, and basil smikle. all right, guys, you want to mix it up on joe biden. so take it away, ben. >> i'll mix it up. i'll just say i still think he's the odds on favor to win. i mean, if you look at the polling from the end of 2018 to the end of 2019, it's almost exactly the same. his lead nationally is almost exactly the same. >> you don't think the ukraine stuff has bit into him at all? >> i don't really think so at all. i mean, if they were to subpoena him to testify in the senate, i think he would be happy to do it. >> i don't know. it's like he's going back and forth on whether he'd do it. seems like he's kind of confused. >> i think he'd be happy to do it if it came to that. but everything to do with donald

trump. i think biden, overall, has handled the hecklers well. i think he's handled most of the stuff that's come at him well. >> what if joe biden is the nominee and what you see rally after rally is just a procession of hecklers screaming anything at joe biden. screaming ukraine stuff. screaming stuff that they just made up. over and over again. do you think that that -- does that speak to -- to convincible voters? or is that just donald trump protestors who were there to just make things dirty and ugly? >> it sounds like you described the entire internet being dumped into a joe biden rally. >> it could happen. it could happen. >> you have to expect that for everybody. >> the president's going to go after him and say things that are true and not true. >> that's going to be true for any democrat. >> the only thing is with the -- these early conversations about what is electable in this particular environment. that's, i think, one of the big points that has elevated and -- and launched sort of joe biden

into this -- into where he is now with supporters that don't look like they want to leave him anytime soon. >> here's the thing with the joe biden stuff. he's going to do that to whatever candidate is there. but the joe biden thing. he has a son who made a lot of money off ukraine. and there are people who will say why? what was his expertise? and it will look a little confusing. a little swampy. they might not be able to pinpoint what was not great about it. but it might raise some questions in their minds. >> can't you say the same thing about the trump children? >> oh, 100%. but if you were looking for a reason to vote for trump again and you just -- you just want to be pushed. i don't know. >> you think hunter biden is going to be the reason that you decide to vote for trump again? i don't think that's the case. >> if he is the nominee, which i agree it looks like he will be. >> okay. fine. maybe this. are those people going to stay home and say they're all dirty, it's all gross and i don't want to participate? >> i think if it's elizabeth warren or bernie sanders, there will be those people who voted for trump that regret it who will not vote for them. i think that's a distinct

possibility. but i think the bigger -- before we even get to the general election is how does biden become the nominee? because with bernie sanders staying in solid number two, buttigieg raising money. i don't know -- the fundraising numbers are going to come in january. that's going to be very telling to see what they have to compete because i see a brokered convention. i see mike bloomberg. >> i can't. it's too soon. >> it's not too soon and i'll tell you why. >> brought up a brokered convention a year and a half ago and i almost kicked him off set. >> you know you do. >> mike bloomberg. i think while i don't think he'll get the nomination, i think it's completely in the realm of possibility that he gets 15 to 20% of the delegates. and bernie sanders gets 20, 25%. >> what happens? who wins in a brokered convention? >> joe biden. >> i think it's something like biden. but i wouldn't count out bernie because the issue with the brokered convention is that you need to have very strong delegates, very

politically-astute delegates that are going to be willing on the floor -- that's a big deal. nobody wants to have to get into. >> but neither of the female candidates can make it all the way. >> i don't think they can. >> i don't see -- i don't see the path -- well, warren is the only one right now i would say the top four that -- >> you don't think warren has -- has another moment? you think she's -- >> she could. >> -- all downhill from here? >> i don't think she has any money. >> we'll see. >> as long as no one person runs the table in the first one or two states, then i think it -- it -- it opens the door. >> it opens the door to super-tuesday. >> what if it's a buttigieg in iowa, biden new hampshire or bernie new hampshire. you think bernie new hampshire? biden, south carolina. does the door close for anybody who's not one of those three names after that? >> i don't think it -- look. with super-tuesday, you've got a ton of states. >> how many does bloomberg need

to win in super-tuesday to stay in? >> delegates. >> california has 416 available. and so it's -- it's -- it's the delegate count. >> elizabeth warren's going to do well in california don't you think? >> i think. massachusetts as well. >> it's 38% of the delegates. >> so you are saying we are going to be on the edge of our seats this entire primary season. >> well, no. i think tuesday actually -- >> should be watching your show and msnbc every day. >> all day long. >> every day. >> let me say this about a brokered convention, if we get there, which is actually a slight possibility that it does happen. and if that does happen, there are going to be so many delegates who are buttigieg or bloomberg delegates or klobuchar delegates who would all ultimately go to joe biden. and the sanders and the warren delegates and would not be enough to overwhelm the middle

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that is all for tonight. "the beat" starts right now with yasmin vossoughian. >> ari melber. >> harri. harri medical better. >> thank you, katy tur. we're covering a lot of developing stories. new details of what was going on inside the white house as donald trump pushed his ukraine scheme, and neal katyal is here on a key development in the push for witnesses at the impeachment trial. plus rudy giuliani's shadow diplomacy expands amid new

warnings about his legal exposure. but we begin tonight with the exhaustive reporting from "the new york times." the inside story of the 84 days between one trump first asked about the