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wants to help go to m michaelbennet.com. >> allison morris takes over. >> great to see you geoff. >> it is 9:00 p.m. in iraq where the u.s. embassy in baghdad is surrounded by heighten security. hundreds of demonstrators scale the compound walls throwing rocks. u.s. troops fired back with tear gas and rubber bullets. protesters largely withdrawn and iraqi forces secure the embassy. the pentagon deployed 750 soldiers to baghdad. the rhetoric between u.s. and iran escalating on twitter. this is not a warning. th it is a threat. iran's supreme leader says he does not hesitate to defend their nation.
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joining me now our ali arouzi, what are you hearing? have we reached the end of this crisis at least for today? >> it seems like protests have wound down after two full days of violent demonstration. according to the statement from the command in iraq. the iraqis prime minister based on his commitment to protect diplomatic missions ordered iraqi government forces to protect embassy and its employees. he called on angry mob to stop protesting and has told protesters that their message has been received. apparently all members and their supporters have rejoined the perimeter of u.s. embassy and dismantled the tents they set up there last night and iraqis
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supporters have secure the perimeter. interestingly early on today, the group who are in charge of the shea militia in iraq issued a statement asking protesters to leave the area and respect the iraqi government. it appears that there is some sort of coordinations and decisions have been made on multiple fronts to bring the protest to an end for now. a small group of para-military group have set up camps. and do to attacks, all public operations at the u.s. embassy have been suspended until further notice. however this pans out in the short term illustrated of the fragile and difficult nature of u.s. relationships with iraq and with iran. question is, now whether this
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relationship is tangible and how long. >> ali, there has been a whole lot of blustering in the past 24 hours. what do you make between president trump? >> it is special anti-trump these days since trump became president. he has been belligerent in his talk and his position is that they have to come from a position of strength. he was very against the nuclear deal for a long time. there was a bit of pill for him to swallow of the event going on board of that nuclear deal. he thought iran had been weaken in that term that president trump pulled out of the deal. he didn't think trouhani government should have been abid abided by it. now he thinks iran has to act
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tough and they have to do it from a position of strength. he directly replies to one of the president's tweets after the threat and he calls the president "that guy." that guy has tweeted that we see iran responsible for the events in baghdad and we will respond to iran. first, you can't do anything. second, if you were logical which you are not, you would see that your crimes in iraq, afghanistan have made nations hate you. >> ali arouzi. thank you very much. >> let's bring in, ali and global engagement in the obama administration, brett brewer and
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daniel. what's the collateral damage between the u.s. and iraq relationship. >> thanks for having me allison. >> a couple of major concerns right now. the obvious one is based on the u.s. strikes over the weekend, there were a response of the iraqi militia of u.s. spaces over the american contractor died. th will that lead to further is isolation of threats or any conflict between the u.s. and iran because u.s. strikes killed over 2,000 iraqis over the course of the operation. there is a potential for that direct conflict which was avoided last summer when things were hitting out on top of that, you have escalations of words.
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another consideration is what will, there is also the u.s. strike that occurred in iraq and particular to see the iraqi government angry over those. what will that do to u.s./iraqi counter terrorism. the u.s. relied on iraq to fight isis in iraq. that's something we need to monitor closely. >> it shows the tug of war for influences of iraq between the u.s. and iran. who has the upper hand here? >> while the protest evaded. they have not gone away. they're literally down the street. the iranian back militias will seek out other tuopportunities attack the u.s. and our
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interests and the embassy is a hard target. there are a lot of other very vulnerable targets that americans have are people moving around that country and we are at risk and i think it is important to hear just to make a key point. trump and pompeo have this policy of out sources security and intelligence as the other guest mentions, this now is put in danger. the u.s. is in a much weaker position here. if the u.s. is in a weaker position here, what's the president's next step in dealing with iran. >> we are playing a dangerous game with chickens with iran. i am thinking this morning as we celebrated our new year's eve last night about the americans hunkering down in that embassy and folks are going to reenforce them who had a tough time. when i talk to iraqis, what i hear from them is they don't want to be treated as an accessory with an american conflict with iran.
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wh when iran and america, stability and security often that suffers. i think what we need to do and the short run is be looking for some off ramp and trying to let this thing cool down if at all possible. we have to think carefully of contingency plan to evacuate if we need to tchlt rig. right now we are stuck between iran with a war that neither side is willing to consummate. >> does a conflict like this make it impossible for the president and any of the democratic opponents to say they'll pull troops outs of t o middle east. >> on the one hand while the president's instincts may be to get the current troops out of
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iraq and other theaters in the middle east and afghanistan have been talked about. escalating with iran and even as of yesterday, they're coming out, they're deploying to iraq to help manage the crisis there. that's something the white house is going to have to think through carefully and stop this overseas deployment in the long-term. the short term, we are still sending troops abroad. >> the president had some pretty tough words for iran over twitter. have you got any sense of any sort of plan beyond that tweeting? >> you know this is one of those fire first and strategyize second situation that we have
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seen so often. there's just not a plan. i have been in those situations where we were under fire and you took some solace knowing tlchhe was a plan. this adds additional levels of anxiety for them, not knowing whether or not there is a plan or from one tweet to the next, trump will change his mind and make things even worse. >> dan, you touched on this before. has the prospect of diplomacy with iran ended, is there any hope for that? >> i think there is hope. what i don't see is a real strategy and real statesmanship on our side or with trump on office to get it done. that worries me a lot. we are stuck in between. we got what i can call a passive aggressive foreign policy.
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it is aggressive enough to promote crisis like this. not to show up in iraq the day before so when you have a crisis like this, you invested and building it out easy. >> tensions were escalating before the embassy attack. mike pompeo was asked if the u.s. was surprised by tuesday's assault? >> so if we go back to the summer, tensions were high in venezuela. there were incidents with shipping in the persian gulf and there was a shoot down in the u.s. drones and report that the president ordered military operations against iran and sort of called them off the last minute and the combination seems to be the iranians strike against the saudi oil facilities which were intended to send a message to the united states and saudi arabia. we have seen this cycle of deescalation played out already.
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now based on what we have seen over the weekend and if past several days, how will things move ford ward. militia seeks to retaliate and some of the other commentators or will they let those strikes sit and has the u.s. i think the words that some officials have talked about this deterrence have been restored. we don't know how both sides is going to react in this tense moment right now >> javed, brett, and daniel, thank you for being here. happy new year to you. >> new year, new law, it is finally 2020. the first contest mattis weis w. bring it on, rudy giuliani says he's not willing to testify the president's impeachment trial, he also would like to try the case? he also would like to try the case when you shop for your home at wayfair,
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breaking news, mike pompeo, postponed his expected trip to ukraine. the state department says he'll focus on moderating the conditions in iraq. the trump administration dealings with ukraine. rudy giuliani's entanglement there on behalf of the president. and now he says he would testify in a senate trial. >> i would testify, i would do
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demonstrations, i give lectures and summations or i do what i do best, i would try the case. i would love to try to case. i don't know if anybody have the courage to give me the case, if you give me the case, i will process it as a racketeering case. let's see if i can still do it. >> seems lunlikely that the preponderance will call his testimony or take him up on his offer to try the case. >> joining me now is hans nichols and our national security correspondent, natasha bertrand. hans, rudy says he'll testify, does the president want him to? >> to prosecute the case or at least defense. when you heard what rudy said there anyone who has the courage to do that. only one person that can hire
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rudy giuliani to defend the president of the united states, that's the president of the united states. last night seemed like a black tie oaudition. there were a lot of fall-out party and they were heading into the new year's eve. if he wants to make this case publicly, why he should represent the president, he just done that and he's going to do it privately. we don't know if white house officials would sign off on that or if they need to sign off on that. rudy giuliani is one of the president's personal attorney. >> the president is saying again last night he's fine with the senate trial, let's play that. >> i don't really care. it does not matter. as far as i am concerned, that would be very happy with the trial.
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we did nothing wrong. >> does that give democrats some leverage while they try to negotiate? >> it gets back to the short travelers. the president professing to be diagnostic on this. and other moments the president seems to suggest he wants to travel because he wants it in his rear-view mirror and reviewing the fundamental weakness of the case. >> i think we get different messages from the president. it is clear that's part of the strategy is to keep his opponents flat footage or wrong footage of his opponents or try to keep them guess oing on whate wants. we still have not had any indication. chuck schumer and minority
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leader, that's the conversation that needs to happen if you are going to have rules for the road. it was allowed, nancy pelosi can transmit those articles. >> natasha, what did rudy giuliani made some comments in the past. a trial in the senate would not reveal how unlawfully the democrats conducted this impeachment inquiry. this is why pelosi is to be #impeachment sham. >> what is he talking about here? what does he think he can uncover? >> i think rudy giuliani's goal has been to shift all attention towards the bidens and former ambassador ukraine, yovanovitch, all of this is tied to his work in ukraine and his business interests and financial interests there and so this is not someone who if he were to testify is not necessarily the most credible witness because of
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all of that and his role and foreign policy campaign. he's also the subject potentially, reportedly a criminal investigation in the southern district of new york. his associates have been handed subpoenas and asking for their communication s with him and an records of financial to rudy giuliani's firm. this is not someone the president's allies want to be connected with. > rudy giuliani is in a lot of trouble and he's under counter intelligence investigation stemming to his ties and foreign officials. he may be trying to shift attention here on things he believes can help the president. it is hard to believe that senators are going to want this kind of circus in the trial regardless of whether or not the president believes it could help
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in this case. >> parnas is facing finance charges, he says he want to share his information with congressional lawmakers. >> there is a lot that parnas has to offer here. he has the content of his iphone and video recordings and tape recordings, all stemming from his interaction with rudy giuliani and the president. he met with the president several times according to reports to discuss this shadow foreign policy campaign in ukraine to pressure officials there to investigate the bidens and fire the former ambassador. he could reveal a lot about what the democrats believe and was a conspiracy here and solicit interference by the president 2020 election. not only he could in criminate rudy giuliani in that game, he can throw the president under the bus. he's angry that the president decided to distance himself from parnas and rudy giuliani.
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>> what has became of all that information he promised to make -- >> to me or hans? >> it is a great question. >> sorry, to you. >> senate erlin or graham says have information, put up or shut up instead of going out and professing to have all of this information that may exonerate the president, why don't you just give it to the senate and give it to us to investigate. i think rudy giuliani probably knows that quote on quote "evidence" is flimsy. he's trying to preserve for as long as possible his relevance in trump's world. >> natasha and hans, thank you both of you for hanging out with us and appreciate it. >> thank you. >> the rush is onto the first democratic contest. as we enter the new year, a look back at the most watched moment at 2019 on nbc news.com.
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>> it is an awful picture to look at as we watch this scene in various angles. none of them makes it any better. it is this thing, this same piece of europe of paris, it is most popular attraction now in flames there and as we saw in one of the shots, famous fire there has now burned and collapsed. if you look at this picture right now, know the scaffolding that extends up about four levels and crosses over and four levels back down. so obviously we know of construction and we have been doing a lot of respiration there. the history of notre dame. e his. saturdays happen.
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it is officially 2020. which will means after a year of campaigning and countless deb e debates and town halls, the election year is here. it is still anyone's race. joining me from amy klobachar's campaign headquarters in iowa, vaughan hilliard and our jonathan allen and our hanna trudeau. >> what's the feel oing on the
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ground there? >> reporter: well, when you are 33 days out. activities take place in campaign headquarters across the state and event here in d de moines, iowa. there are folks that are spread out iowa's 99 counties. amy klobachar finished wrapping up her county. to do that just last weekend and when you are looking at this field despite the candidate who qualified for the debate taking place here in iowa on january 14th, that would be joe biden and bernie sanders and pete buttigieg and klobachar. cory booker is up in preston, iowa here later this afternoon. you are seeing figures starting to come in. pete buttigieg announcing they're raising nearly $25,000 over the last three months. that's where these numbers start
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to come in. huge. you have these field organizing stats not only here in iowa but nevada and new hampshire. you want to be up on the tv air ways. that's the amount of money they have at their disposal to not only to build on staff, klobachar's team plans to build out their operation and looking beyond. that's what this race is becoming down to over the course of the next 33 days. the likes of klobachar and senator warren and senator sanders, there is a good chance it is going to have to be over capitol hill and washington, d.c. throughout the month of january, tending the the senate impeachment trial. it is folks like this that's going to be day in and day out that does the heavy lifting here, organizing and getting people to come out on caucus day. when you lee the office, every single day folks get reminded of how many days and how many seconds and days they got left
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to let people turn out on february 3rd. >> vaughan, pete buttigieg campaign, and bernie sanders re reaching 5 million donors. we expect the race to dry out for a while? >> if this thing can go all the way to milwaukee to the convention, you got to take into account the fact that most of these states, look at iowa. just because you win the iowa caucus, does not mean you take all the delegates out of iowa. they're proportionately based on the results of that state fair. there is a good shot, you will have several candidates walking out of iowa with potentially the same number of delegates. that's what you will see throughout this race. you go to states beyond, you have a real chance that you can have a close race here. and also i want to note, allison, mayor pete buttigieg in
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the last hour serving his last hour as mayor today. i think we got a photo there as his chief of staff put out there. one of the candidates having more time on his hands to get out and about. the next couple of days before return to iowa. you should expect to see a lot of activities here over the next month. >> vaughan, a sentimental moment wrapping up his time there. john, once february hits, you get through iowa and new hampshire, it is ahm mad dash t the convention in august. should we expect for it to rise and fall during that time? >> great question. there is all the talking before the voting happens. we never know until we see what happens in iowa. >> we have not seen what the voters really want to say, the leader in this campaign throughout has been joe biden and he has not really been above
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30%. there was a period it was up close to 40%. for the most part, it has not been above 40%. there is opportunities for candidates here and when vaughan talks about delegates and the convention. joe biden has been dominant among african-american voters compare to other candidates. they are half way extra deleg e delegates on the way of the convention and shortly of the backbone of building coalition to get to the convention. there is a lot to be played here. >> joe biden had a consistent polling lead since he announced his campaign. he's polling behind iowa in new hampshire, if he loses the first contest potentiallylower, do yo will stop his momentum? >> that's a great question. i think what's interesting to know about his consistency and also fallen a little bit behind in those two early voting states
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is he's only about 3% point from pete buttigieg and joe biden. so you know his campaign, no doubts that most of their expectations on more diverse state and mainly south carolina which comes fourth in the four early voting states. they have not tampered down expectation in iowa. he went on a bus tour eight days expanding and meeting voters along the way and a little bit free will there which voters tend to like about his approach. i think doing well in those two states is still critical for him to move on, of course, evidennes more diverse and south carolina moving into super tuesday like jonathan mentions going into the delegate hall, african-american
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support would be key. he has consistent since launching his campaign in april. >> should biden be worried that he's not broken away the front runner yet? >> absolutely. >> nobody would rather have their position and his position right now. he's in the best place. he should be worried about a lot of things. he ran for president, this is the third time. he's at 30%. everybody in the country knows who he is. he's not running first place in iowa or new hampshire. she should be concerned of all of those things and at the same time still in that first position and still in a place where if you got to a broker convention, he has a lot of established figures trying to help him out. he's in a good position for now to run this race for a long time. that's a good place to be. >> vaughan hilliard, jonathan
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allen, happy new year. >> you too. >> new explosion of wildfires t death toll is rising with thousands in the path of those flames. the trump organization fired several undocumented workers from its winery in virginia. why now? that's next. virginia. why now? that's next. you always want to be able to deliver relief for your patients. get them out of pain, get them out of pain fast. we have a new product out there: sensodyne rapid relief. if you use it on monday, by thursday, you'll be enjoying that chocolate ice cream again. they can start it, and 3 days later, i know that they're going to have the results they were looking for.
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round of firing. at least seven more employees fired due to immigration status. the employees were let go until they finish their seasonal work. workers working 60 hours week and over night shifts under flood lights. joining me now, david farenthold. >> he owns the company and the land under the winery. he had the business that are undocumented workers. he owns more than just the winery but this is a place that he owns and operates they report to him. >> you spoke with carmen miranda, hired by trump in 2013. using fake documents he purchased for $120.
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they know something is illegal. the owner know and the wine maker knows. if that's the case, -- >> there could be legal liability. this is unequal in terms of enforcement. employers like trump and much likely to face consequences than the undocumented workers are. there could be liability. >> from your article, immigration, he waits until the fields are ten and grapes picked wine made and he then discards them. >> what do you want to get on the first slide? >> he's hoping to prove, they were fired a couple of days ago. he's hoping they could get visas to stay in the country because
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in his mind a witness to a crime. but, federal prosecutions violations of immigration laws. that's his hope to use the knowledge of trump organization and as leverage to stay in the country so they can tell their story. >> the former employee met with donald trump, he had nothing but kind words for them. did that make it more shocking a few days before. >> muir reasirandamiranda, we'l him for months. now, it is going to happen. harvest is over. eric trump. the president's son comes out and says, thank you to all of
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them. >> they said look, if eric is going to fire, he should have doe done it. >> maybe we need to relax and nobody notices it. >> what is the trump organization say all about this? >> very little. >> how many in total people did you fire and how long have you known about these people being undocumented. why did you wait so long to fire them. did you make any efforts. >> we become aware of folks working for us. it is our legal due city to fir them. >> it did not answer any questions of when they became aware and how much did they know. >> david, thank you. >> up next, breaking news out of austria where raging wildfires have gone from horrific to apocalypse. horrific to apocalypse saturdays happen.
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they expect that number to rise. new south wales, firefighters are battling winds and droughts. more than 175 homes have been destroyed. thousands have left here home. many of them are taking refuge to escape this scoreching. >> matt bradley is joining us right now. >> the situation is very bad. the conditions have eased just a little bit and authorities are now temporarily reopening some of the closed roads, basically to allow people to get out. so in total, 18 people have been killed throughout austria during the latest fire season this year. eight people died on monday. that's just the last two days in south eastern austria. >> that's ground zero and a lot of the australian population lives. which is one of reasons why it is so devastating. the damage is massive and we'll be building up.
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we'll be sprouling and expensive. nearly a thousand home haves been destroyed and hundreds more have been damaged. the problem for firefighters that quite a few people remained in the danger zone that's called for evacuation. some of them are effectively stranded. thousands of people retreated to beaches. the issue that is attracted and the most attention has been the animals and wildlife. >> as many as 30% of the population of koala bears may have already died as the fire racing through their house. >> that's really hot. by now we all seen all of those viral videos of firefighters and civilian austrias giving water to koala bears. a lot of these animals have desperate and dying. >> how does this compare to bush
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fire season in the past, have we seen anything like this? >> it is a good question. a lot of politicians making that very point. this happens every part of the states. really, this is not unprecedented in scale. but the last comparable fire was back in 1974. so yes, this does happen every year, there are forest fires all the time, one of the things that makes this so different is a moment ago, the bush fires, they covered a slightly larger area than the bush fires are now covering this year. but this year's fires are in southeastern australia, around the areas of melbourne and sydney, heavily populated regions of the country. the fires back in 1974 that covered a huge swath of territory as well, they were mostly in remote areas, that's why this is so devastating and this happens every year, they've
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gotten roundly criticized by the public. >> i can imagine. thanks so much for being with us. the new year ushering in a number of new laws across the country from guns to ganga. what you need to know next. w net they're walking into a trap. your orders are to deliver a message calling off tomorrow morning's attack. [ orchestral music playing ] why in god's name did you have to choose me? if you don't get there in time, it will be a massacre. we will lose sixteen hundred men. your brother among them.
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wage from 9 to $14. other states will follow later this year. most of those states applying that revenue to their infrastructure funds. workers in washington state have paid family leave. other states will roll out plans later this year. over 2 million federal employees will be lijsable for paid family leave starting in october. family members or law enforcement can petition a court for a temporary removal of guns for people deemed to be a threat to themselves or others. that law is already controversial with some counties declaring themselves second amendment sanctuaries. >> why personal data has been collected. and who that information was shared with or sold to. illinois became the 11th state
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to legalize recreational marijuana. joining me now is john hudack. john, thanks for being here, i'd like to start with the pardons that came along with this bill. j.b.pritzger brought this bill forward. >> legalization needs to be framed as a civil rights issue. prohibition has taken generals, particularly young black men and latinos and put them through the criminal justice system. legalization will happen in the future. but it won't if policy makers don't take that step to do it. >> this could be a huge revenue boone for the state of illinois.
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but how tough it is to prevent syntax revenues. how should states like illinois plan ahead when it comes to budgets and expectations for this new revenue stream. >> states like illinois and others who have legalized cannabis need to have a really reasonable conversation about taxable revenue. cannabis legalization will not solve all of the states budget woes. while cannabis tax revenue is a stable stream in the states that have legalized, it is subject to a lot of ups and downs, state lawmakers and individuals who are procannabis reform should not overpromise what that revenue can do for a state or a locality. >> another problem business owners deal with is banking. is there a state level legislation fix for that problem. how are companies and states that have legalized usage p.m.
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>> a lot of states, the cannabis industry remains a cash only business. banks in this country are federally regulated. it requires a move by congress. this past year in 2019, the house passed the state banking app which was a valiant effort to fix this. it remains stalled in the senate right now. that fix is something that has to be done in congress. and state attempts to do this have proven and will prove to be band aids on a bigger problem. >> some other states are considering recreational use ballots in the next year. >> this is an issue that is gaining momentum. 11 states in dc have legalized adult use cannabis. and many states are going to follow. looking at states like new mexico, like connecticut, rhode
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island, new york, pennsylvania, new jersey, maryland, these are all states that are taking very seriously this issue, and are strongly considering legalization. if legalization in these states don't happen in 2020. it's likely it will happen in the coming years. >> what about federal legalization. what's your prediction there? >> federal legalization is a tough issue. the republicans in congress have been barriers to anything cannabis reform related. it is democrats in the house that have been able to motivate the movement that we've seen throughout this past year. but this is an issue that requires presidential leadership. there are several candidates on the campaign trail, who are looking to talk about this issue. is larger than cannabis itself. talking about the economy, job creation and criminal justice. a new president and new leadership in congress is what's required for this to get the push across the finish line at the federal level.
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>> john hudack, thank you for being with us. i'm alison morris, for all of us at nbc news, a very happy new year to you, "dateline" is coming up next. i have pictures in my head that will never go away. i will never have my son back. i don't get to go to his high school graduation or see him go to college. i had no idea what had happened. >> it was like a neat yore hitting. >> 12-year-old kid, loved to ride his scooter everywhere, lost his life at the hands of a killer. >> he's a soccer coach. >> great person on and off the field. great role model. >> there's nothing connecting him to this case. >> they don't have the fingerprint, they don't have blood, they don't have the witness. >> there's a
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