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friend david gura." this is up and i'm david gura. the president warning retaliation will be met with retaliation. this a three-day period of mourning continues and we learn more to the extent the administration gamed out what is going to happen next. cory booker is going to join us and we'll also get the latest from him on negotiations over impeachment. a judge ruling one of rudy giuliani's indicted associates can share documents and data with the house intelligence committee. glen kurshner msnbc contributor and adrian elrod and buzzfeed news. he is the host of the podcast "impeachment today." author of the book "isis inside
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the army of terror" and my colleague matt bradley is in israel. president trump threatening reprisals against iran as he declares in the very same tweet thread that the united states, quote, wants no more threats. the president calling on iran not to retaliate for the air strike. let this serve as a warner, president trump writes. that if iran strikes any americans or american assets, we've targeted 52 iranian site. iran, itself, continues holding down the shift key will be hit very fast and very hard. meanwhile, mourning continues in iran and other parts of the middle east. soleimani's funeral is scheduled to take place on tuesday. the decisionmaking ahead of the attack while senior officials argue the drone strike was warranted to prevent future attacks "the times" reports some remain skeptical about the rationale for the attack. lawmakers received formal
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notification from the white house. house speaker nancy pelosi responding forcefully with this statement. quote, the highly unusual decision to classify this document compound our many concerns and suggests that the congress and the american people are being left in the dark about our national security. >> no justice, no peace. >> also this weekend, demonstrations taking place across the united states. want to go first to matt bradley, who is in israel. matt, we've seen some attacks on the green zone in baghdad. help us understand how this is reverberating throughout the region and what you're seeing from where you stand. >> obviously, lot of moving parts here, david. we saw on saturday a rocket that was launched into the green zone. there was another one that was launched across the tigress river from the green zone and another three rockets that was launched and they didn't actually penetrate into the base in all three of those targets, no one was struck.
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no one was injured. it seems as though those attacks while they might be a glimpse of what might be to come from this threat and retaliation from iran, they probably weren't any real level of coordination in terms of having tehran decide how their proxies would attack u.s. interests. this could have been in my estimation more likely just an overzealous fighters in iraq on their own. if we get a retaliation, it would be from tehran and might be coordinated and might come right here in northern israel. as you can see across the border from me, it's shrouded in fog right now. you could be gainizing into lebn positions. that is where we could see one of the more muscular retaliatory attacks because as far as tehran is concerned, the israeli government and the israeli state is tantamount to attacking the united states, as well. we're about to hear from
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hezbollah leader, he is supposed to address his country probably around right now and we could hear more details and bellicose la la la language and we heard from qasem soleimani's daughter. he called the head of hezbollah her uncle and he would certainly retaliate and take vengeance against the death of qasem soleimani. whether or not hezbollah attacks here, that's hard to say. if they do, they'll get a muscular reaction from this first world army here in israel. they might not want to gamble with that. back in 2006 hezbollah scraped with israel and both sides ended up deeply scarred and wounded but hezbollah is in a precarious position in lebanon. they're facing protest and political pressure on their home front. why would they necessarily want to gamble? they have their own domestic
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concerns to worry about. that goes for every one of the iranian-backed groups in the middle east. qasem soleimani spent his entire life trying to bring up to the standards of a real military that could work to fight for iran. we could be seeing in this retaliation coming something like the fruition of qasem soleimani's life work of creating this network of iranian sympathetic groups. david? >> let me turn to you and matt bradley, the bellicose language and we read it from the president last night and one specific part of the threat he made that some of these targets are high level and important to iran and the iranian culture. a lot of people seizing on that last phrase thinking the president would target cultural sites. your response to what he outlined in the tweet thread. the mention of the 52 site picked for symbolic reasons.
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>> that would constitute a grave war crime. i don't see the pentagon bombing mosques and pentagon institutions and any semblance of an argument that this is an attack on the regime and not the iranian people. however, let me put it like this. this is a president who is barely on nodding terms with the english language and he says he is targeting sites that are important to iran and the iranian culture, not necessarily cultural sites. what he might have meant by this are institutions or sites of great national prominence and power and prestige. things that are important to iranian nationalism. for a long time, we've talked about the nuclear program constituting exactly that in a sense. so, i'm worried maybe his advisors were telling him, look, we'll go after military installations and things that matter.
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you know enormously to the iranian nation and he just kind of screwed it up and said something that has now gone viral and we're all paying attention to that that the united states is about to embark on international war crimes. i frankly don't know what he met and i'm just speculating at this point. it is highly unlikely that the united states would do something such as go after mosques or nonmilitary targets in iran. >> glenn in new york here weme shaking his head as he read that. >> highly unlikely that an american president would rob money from a military to build a wall on the southern border. i don't think we should forgive his choice of using the word cultural significance to iran. i mean, don't terrorists threaten to bomb times square, subways, schools. when he says we're going to hit things of cultural significance, does that mean he will hit places of worship, hospitals,
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grade schools. i mean, you know, the american people don't have a monopoly on the love of our sons and daughters. iraqis love their sons and daughters. irainen is love their sons and daughters and now what do we wake up to? return of fear. braced for vengeance. this is courtesy of a reckless, unqualified american president who has succeeded in distracting us from impeachment talk. >> adrian, i want to ask you what has been transpiring in washington. the white house sending it to washington. nancy pelosi sent as a result of that this justification totally justified and we heard that is unprecedented. we should know more about the rationale for the attack. where does the conversation stand in washington now as we prepare to start a new week in d.c.? >> i think it will be a lot to be seen when secretary of state p pompeo talks to congress this week. look, when you are going to impose this kind of activity on a foreign government, you always
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traditionally the president goes to congress to ask permission first. so, to catch congress off guard was a huge, huge problem that the trump administration should not have done. also, i just want to remind everybody, hillary clinton during the 2016 campaign, especially the last four to five months going into the election reminded the voters time and time again donald trump is not temperamentally fit to serve as president of the united states. listed a whole host of reasons why. we're now seeing all this come to fruition. we're seeing time and time again donald trump how he reacts toed aversarial foreign leaders like kim jong-un, et cetera. we're now seeing our national security really become policiy in jeopardy here because we're not talking about impeachment. i know we'll talk about it later on in the show, but it's not driving the news. the situation in iran right now is driving the news. people are questioning his motives and congress, especially democrats, are wondering where did this rationale come from?
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sure. this was a bad guy. we know this guy was a bad guy but other opportunities that other presidents have had to assassinate him and that is where people have real concerns. why is donald trump doing this? why is he doing it now? >> secretary of state mike pompeo speaking to congress and sunday shows this morning making the case for all of this and to adrian's point, he danced around the fact that they think there was a rationale for this and so many folks within the administration have said fundamentally very little has changed over the last few months. >> absolutely. general soleimani, everything that people said about him about his reputation inside iraq and a king maker inside iraq and the face of iranian influence inside of iraq dueling against the u.s. and also against the forces that iran was sending against isis. a lot to unpack there. i think as far as the intelligence goes, we have seen very little out of the administration that says there was anything out of the ordinary, we have seen reports
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that say there were plans in the works possibly for heightened attacks against u.s. assets in the region, but nothing s substantive. i think we talked a little bit about the rationale and how impeachment plays into it. i don't think personally that impeachment played much of a role in the president's thinking or many of his top advisors. i think this was more a situation where "new york times" reported that they give a list of options and on that list they gave this option, we can kill this guy. to make the other things seem more reasonable. as the embassy protests continued and trump was watching it and getting angry and felt that he was being made to look weak and he took this option that no one saw coming. >> we'll come back and talk about that in a little bit. michael weiss and matt bradley with us from israel, thanks to you, as well. blood red skies and thunder and lightning. that is the scene in australia because of fires burning across
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house speaker nancy pelosi continues to withhold those articles abuse of power. new and potentially damaging information expected to be turned over to congress. lev may share documents and data with the house permanent select committee on intelligence. his attorney notes this comes after president trump claimed he doesn't know him. >> i don't know hthose gentleme. it is possible i have a picture with them because i have a picture with everybody. i don't know them or what they do, i don't know. maybe clients of rudy. you have to ask rudy. i don't know. >> safe to say, i don't think he has a picture of any of us at the table. help us understand the nuance of this. customary that you wouldn't be able to share this kind of information outside that court
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proceeding. how significant is this? >> pretty significant because if there is what i call hard evidence and written communications and e-mails, text messages and obviously the prosecutor in the southern district of new york have done a forensic switch. i'm quite sure lev parnas laptop, phone. if les parnas want to give this over to congress, there must be important information that could benefit parnas. evidence that implicates others. rudy giuliani, in particular. i can't imagine the kind of communications while they're going on their little whirlwind trip. we've seen photographs of parnas and rudy sipping tea and having dinner together around the world. we've seen rudy giuliani talk recklessly on tv and say all sort of outrageous things and incriminating himself and potentially incriminating the president. can you imagine what he was
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saying one on one on those text messages or phone calls to les parnas. i think that could become an important player both in a potential criminal prosecution in an event the southern districts ends up arresting rudy giuliani and in the context of an impeachment hearing. >> he has to do report and get us up to speed where things stand. senators back in town. and lawmakers trading barbs. is there any sign that will? >> what will break that log jam when nancy pelosi feels, i waited long enough, i have to send them over now. that will come in one of two ways. a, she feels enough votes in the senate to eventually force mitch mcconnell to recall witnesses like she and senate democrats want or she feels the political pressure is too high and it's
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starting to backlash on her. i think that now the senate is back in session and we heard mitch mcconnell say, oh, no, we're still not going to take up any witnesses and we'll leave that in the middle of the trial like we did with the clinton case while pelosi is holding on tight to the articles of impeachment. since impeachment first passed in the house, we have heard a lot of new information. we had ukraine and dod and omb e-mails about ukraine come out the unredacted version of which came out earlier this week. we had details come out in court about the deputy to john bolton back when he was national security adviser. we had new rulings on court case on whether presidential aides should have to testify in front of congress. things are moving and the question is, when do i get to this trial? monday when the house is back in session, we'll learn a lot more. >> adrian, you learned all that and you could have more evidence. and also a push now for
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witnesses you see on the republican side, as well. susan collins the senator from maine sitting down with maine public radio telling i'm open to witnesses. these small phrases and indications that she and lisa murkowski might be open to ba. >> you're seeing people like susan collins and lisa murkowski is not having re-election and susan collins is looking at the same polling data that a lot of us are looking at that shows a majority of americans not only want donald trump impeached and removed from office, but even more americans want to make sure that there is a fair trial. they don't like it when they see lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell not being independent jurors and already coming out and saying we know the answer. we are not going to vote to remove trump from office. we're going to make this as swift and as fast as possible. we want to get this over with because we believe this is a sham process. people are very turned off by
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that. and i think when it comes to susan collins she's looking at the same data and say, you know what. i represent a lot of moderate republicans and a lot of independent voters in maine and they want to see this process play out. so, i'm trying to balance, you know, the fact that i am part of mitch mcconnell's caucus in the senate but i also am trying to represent the will and desire of my voters. >> one more question about giuliani and we saw the shiny shoes that he wore to the big party at president trump's estate. we heard from rudy giuliani who was commenting on the impeachment proceedings. let's listen to what he had to say to reporters as he interred that gala. >> would you testify? >> i would do demonstrations and give lectures or i'd do what i do best, i'd try the case. i'd love to try the case. >> i'd love to try the case.
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he went on to say, i don't know if anybody would have the courage to give me the case. if you would give me the case, i would prosecute it. you talked about what he's been saying on television, but this is a guy we can assume the president is perhaps thinking of as somebody who would be there in the well of the senate representing him in an impeachment trial. >> he confuses defending a case with prosecuting a case. i misspeak on set i misspoke in courtrooms, right. but if you're going to be the president's lawyer in one of the most consequential trials ever, you ought to know that if you're defending the person on trial, you're not prosecuting the case. i never did walk into a courtroom and say, ladies and gentlemen, i'm here to defend, no, my bad. i'm actually prosecuting the case. i don't think anybody wants rudy any where near the floor of the senate when this trial is up and
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running. >> so, i really think i don't know if he was misspeaking. i think if rudy jewgiuliani hade case he would love to prosecute this case against the bidens. i think in the president's mind is an offensive prosecution of the bidens at this point. i'm not sure he misspoke. >> we'll leave it there. the first big test is on the horizon. fewer than 30 days away from the crucial iowa caucuses. candidates release fourth quarter fund-raising numbers. we'll take a look at who has the largest chest as february approaches. >> man: what's my safelite story? my truck...is my livelihood. so when my windshield cracked... the experts at safelite autoglass came right to me. >> tech: hi, i'm adrian. >> man: thanks for coming. ...with service i could trust. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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some breaking news out of pennsylvania. officials say there was a crash on i-70 westbound involving a tour bus, two tractor trailers and possibly some passenger vehicles, as well. first responders calling it a mass casualty incident. major response with officers still investigating the cause. traffic on the pa turnpike in the mt. pleasant area is being affected. we'll give you more details as they are available this morning. well, just 29 days between now and they'll face first test with voters. before that air strike money is what candidates were focused on. senator bernie sanders pulled in $34.5 million in the last part of 2019. that is nearly $10 million more than his closest competitor, pete buttigieg and $12 million more than former vice president joe biden.
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president trump had his best quarter yet raising $46 million. that does not include money raised by the republican national committee. adrienne put all of this into context for us. when you look at it in aggreg e aggregate. how was the fourth quarter for democratic candidates looking at iowa and new hampshire. >> trump, yes, raised $46 million. but just the top two candidates alone nearly doubled what donald trump raised, especially when you look at bernie sanders and his strong haul. so, when you take the collective apparatus and what all the democrats have raised, what the dnc has raised and what all the other outside groups that are part of this large infracent infrastructure, democrats are on a very, very good track to have a very strong, continuously strong fund-raising, you know, fund-raising trajectory. but really quickly on bernie sanders. here's the thing. 5 million donors, five million
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unique doinations and $35 million. he will stay in this race as long as he wants to. he will have the grass roots donors and also when it comes to mayor pete, we have to keep in mind. he had no apparatus starting off in 2019. he is new to this game and he didn't have a long list of donors who have been part of his orbit for a long time. he started essentially from scratch. so, to see him raising over $24 million this quarter with, i believe, he had over 2 million unique donations this year. that is pretty significant. >> help me just quickly here, adrienne with the signs of all of this. her campaign manager pointing that out. what should we read into that, if anything. how good is the signs of predicting how much money you're going to be able to raise in a given quarter? >> if you're running a campaign you want to an estimate and you want to make sure you have a goal and meet that goal and you don't want a goal so far ahead of you, that you can't plan
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accordingly and you can't plan your budget accordingly. i don't think there is a surprise that elizabeth warren has not had a worst quarter than she had in some other quarters. she has lost some traction in the poles a polls and a lot of who were supporting her initially eband flow between her and bernie sanders. if i'm elizabeth warren nothing wrong with hovering around fourth place right now. if you go to iowa at first or second place, at this point, the pressure is really on. you have to keep in mind, david, when it comes to iowa and the caucuses, it is all about organization. we talk about polling and where people are but you have to convince your supporters to show up at the caucuses at 7:00 and stick around for a couple hours. exactly. not like you can walk in and cast your vote and leave. you certainly can't cast a vote early. you have to be physically present on the evening of february 3rd. elizabeth warren to this day her
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team is one of the best ground games in iowa and that might actually help negate some of the polling that she's lost. some of the traction that she lost in the polls. >> there's a piece in buzz feed news. he had best fund-raising quarter of his campaign. $65 million. what do you make of that? what does that tell you about his trajectory and any other candidates stand out? >> it's anyone's game at this point. the fact that we have so many people that are still running at this point, but who could conceivably stay in for a while who aren't going to flame out and run out of money any time soon is wild going into january. the caucuses are coming up. so, i don't know. i don't think andrew yang, i'm sorry ben smith, if you watch this clip. please, don't fire me. but i do think that the fact that we're talking so much about how much money democrats are raising trump is raising all this money when i'm old enough
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to remember that the fact that when he got in in the first place, part of his whole argument is, i'm rich so i won't need to take a lot of money in from people and i won't need to be beholden to fund-raisers and raising cash. i just think that even this re-election campaign and the fact that we're not talking about trump's earlier run in that way is just really interesting to me. >> adrienne, what should we make of the bernie/elizabeth warren divide at this point. the fact that he raised so much money and she raised a substantial amount of money but not as much as she thought at the time. that voter block might divide its attention between these two candidates. how do you look at these two candidates? >> it tells me we'll see how the iowa caucuses go after the first two states. but you will see right now i believe four debates scheduled and maybe three debates scheduled in the month of february. exactly. so, i think at a certain point depending on what happens in iowa, the gloves have got to come off. if you're elizabeth warren and you see your only path to
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victory after maybe the first two states have cast their votes going after bernie sanders and going after his supporters, we might see the gloves come off in that quote/unquote truce. one of these individuals will drop before the othutother one. let's say hypothetically bernie sanders has the most staying power and stays in the race longer do supporters go to him and then that will create a very mass bloc of progressers. who is going to represent the progressive wing. who is going to represent the moderate wing. that's what we're all looking for. i'm looking to see when those gloves come off. it is lovely, but not sustainable if elizabeth warren wants to move forward in the primary. man who dealt with iran as a diplomat and a hostage.
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i'm david gura and the white house sent a formal notification to congress as required by law. but congressional aides say the document is classified and not sure the administration is going to send a classified version. secretary of state mike pompeo is going to appear on several sunday shows. on friday he urged de-escalation. president trump warning iran in new tweets that if the country were to strike any americans or american assets, quote, we have targeted 52 iranian sites representing the 52 iranian hostages taken by iran many years ago. one of those former hostages join us now deputy secretary of state for iran, as well. i have to ask about these tweets, first of all, if i could. your reaction to the symbolism. and i guess his planning with, as well. >> well, let me say this.
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i, for one, want no part of the president's posturing about iran. i certainly want no part of his whatever decision he takes such as, for example, killing people or blowing up. so, mr. president, if you're listening, please don't bother yourself on my account. because i want nothing to do with it. >> what is your reaction to what you've seen happen here? yes, you were a haasen then but a scholar of and diplomat to iran over these past many years and we have been talking with analysts and reporters about the potential magnitude of what happened with that attack, i want to get your read, as well. do you think it was something that was advised taking out this major general? >> as far as i can see, there was no plan. there was no one simply asked the question, all right, so what. what happens afterwards. what are the second order effects. what are the third, fourth,
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fifth, the eighth order effects. i served two tours in iraq with the foreign service, as well. i saw what happens when you do, when you make these unwise decisions without considering the consequences. and i don't see any here. this seems to be much more a feel good kind of reaction. yes, qasem soleimani was not a nice man. he certainly has blood on his hands, but you still have to ask the question. if we do this, what is going to follow? and are we ready to accept it? >> what is your sense of what happens next both domestically within iran and within the region, as well. everyone here on edge as this period of mourning comes to a close. your sense of what will happen next. the cultural significance of what's happened here. >> well, i mean, i'm not going to sit here and speculate about what the iranians might do. i will not advise them. if i was you i would do this,
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that and the other. that's certainly not my position. but the thing to remember is that part of what soleimani represents and part of it was a very repressive and very brutal regime, which he supported. but, also, a sense at the same time paradoxically, a sense of patriotism that he fought in the iran, iraq war and he helped defend iran and during his experience with that with the united states was not friendly. i mean, we forget that perhaps towards the end of that war, the u.s. openly sided with the iraqis against the iranians. and, so, perhaps soleimani in his view sees himself and many iranians joined this as seeing his actions as being patriotic and in the defense of the homeland. >> again, want to draw on your
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experience as a diplomatic, mr. ambassador. i'm sort of wondering what you think happens to the small diplomacy that we had with iran over the last many years. an achievement in the sense that there was direct interaction with the iranian regime. barbara slavin and that peace in "new york times" no more during this administration. your reaction of what is lost of that in terms of this isolation and this culture. >> does this president care about iran or is it his philosophy that he simply wants to undo everything his predecessor did such as the means of communication. after some 37, 38, 40 years, we and the iranians, we never became friends but we finally had a way to talk to each other. we talked to many countries with
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which we are not friends. now, that has disappeared. and what i fear is that unable to talk to each other, the risk of escalation, the risk of misunderstanding could lead us into a another disaster in the middle east. i mean, i've seen enough disasters in the middle east. we don't need another one. >> the last question here, you mention the tours that you did in baghdad and i am going to say a name here that we haven't yet said on this program over the course of the weekend. someone else who was killed in those attacks, the leader of this militia, the iraqi leader of this militia group. a lot of people writing, if he was the only one killed, that would have seismic effects if he was the only one to be killed. help us to understand the role that he played and what changed as a result of his death, as well. >> as i say, i've been out of that particular area for a long time, so i would defer to people more expert than i. but, again, i go back to the
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original point that taking these decisions without considering the effects, the consequences, what would follow and perhaps most important, what is your goal? what are you seeking to achieve was most unwise and we're seeing that come back to us. i mean, i think it was the journalist tom friedman who once said it is not a good idea to get involved in other people's five-sided conflicts that have gone on for 2,000 years. >> a fair note to close things on. thank you very much for the time. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks to my panel here in new york. coming up next, nearly half a billion animals killed and millions of acreage burned. a look at the devastating, possibly permanent effects of australia's wildfires. rent
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fires. they have claimed the lives of 24 and scorched more than 2 billion acres and 2,000 homes have been destroyed. the shocking 480 million animals have died. janice joins us now from new south wales in australia. while this is all happening, the government trying to assess the damage as a whole. what are they learning and what is the prognosis here to fight these fires? >> well, the most worrying thing at this point is that this is just the beginning of the summer season here. so there is probably another two months that firefighters are going to have to be dealing with these unprecedented conditions. high temperatures, low humidity and strong winds. they've all been combining at times to form what one official has called the blast furnace. we saw that over the weekend. yesterday the temperatures were gaining and the wind gusting at times to 80 mile pers hour and
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what that did not only feed the flames that were already burning, but started new fires. and in some cases massive fires were jumping roads, jumping rivers and moving into areas where they weren't prepared for it. so, they did get some relief today. the temperature is a little bit cooler. there was some rain today. they're expecting more tomorrow. the problem, of course, is that it is only a reprieve. it's not going to last and the temperatures are set to climb, again, before the end of the week. >> janis, let me ask you quickly what we can learn from this happening. a lot of people in the states looking at those images in horror. no, not an instagram filter. it looks orange. the smoke is thick and everywhere. what are the lessons the rest of the world can learn from australia and what is the likelihood this could happen in other places on this planet?
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>> it is as devastating as it looks. at times it seems like it is the night in the middle of the day. this orange glow on the horizon much of the time. yesterday we were standing under this huge cloud of smoke and it was creating its own thunderstorm. you would hear the rumble. we saw video of some flames that were so powerful on kangaroo island that it created its own fire twisters. this is the other thing that is disturbing the behavioral analysts, the people who study the fire to figure out which way it's going. they say it's just so unpredictable that at times they don't know what they can do except to make preparations and then deal with whatever comes. there is a lot of criticism here for the current government that they're not doing enough. that they didn't do something soon enough to try to stave off some of this disaster. but, also, the continued, the
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habit or the tendency for the government here to downplay the link to climate change. people say that these are factors that have been evidenced over years. the rising temperatures. the rising water temperatures around australia and the lack of any sort of meaningful policy on the part of the government here to deal with it. >> just think about that. the severity of the fires causing weather incidents in their own right. janis joining us from south wales today. thank you for staying up late. exchanging threats. president trump and the iranian regime trading barbs and consequences for each other's actions. cory booker the junior senator from new jersey joins us next to talk about what happens with iran and impeachment. your orders are to deliver a message
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well, this is "up i'm david gura." president trump targeted 52 sites some at a high level and important to iran and iranian culture. the president writing iran has been nothing but problems for many years and the targets he continues and iran will be hit very fast and very hard. the usa wants no more threats. iran's foreign minister has responded to that threat tweeting a reminder to those hallucinating about emulating
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isis war crimes by targeting through history. barbarians raised our monuments and burnt our libraries. where are they now? we're still here and standing tall. meanwhile, new doubts over the president's justification for authorizing the strikes. democrats questioning the decision outline for lawmakers in a classified document. house speaker nancy pelosi writing this. the classified war powers act notification delivered to congress answers more questions than delivered. prompts serious questions about the timing, manner and justification of the administration's decision to rage in hostilities against iran. so far iran has yet to do anything. day three at a period of mourning and qasem soleimani's body has been returned. mike pesca and joe is a contributing opinion writer for "new york times" and fellow at
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new america and philip rutker joins us from washington, d.c., and my colleague cal perry. i'll start with you, if i could. that period of mourning coming to a close here. help us understand how that m t manifest itself on the streets of iran and how we're hearing about what might happen next. >> well, listen, first to iran. you have the very dramatic pictures. up to a million people on the streets celebrating the life of soleimani. it's interesting when you talk about this three-day mourning period. it's clear, they're putting a priority on making him a martyr and making him a hero. something that is pretty easy to do when you pit him against the rhetoric of president trump. i think the region is on edge because that mourning period is coming to an end. i think the general consensus on the streets here, especially in a place is once the funeral is over, that's when the gloves could come off from iran. that's why you've seen some
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attempt at diplomatic action, for example, the qatari foreign minister traveling and that was rebuff. we heard today the irainen is saying they already decided they are going to retaliate and that retaliation is going to be quote/unquote definitive. you have, again, these small nations in the gulf sort of caught in the middle and worried. when you look at the u.s. assets, for example, the fifth fleet headquarters in bahrain or the air base here which houses 10,000 u.s. personnel. you have the smaller gulf nations worried they're going to be caught up in escalating conflict. it will be impossible for the iranians who have said by the way today that they will respond militarily at u.s. military targets. it's impossible to hit a u.s. military target on a small country like qatar without hitting civilians, which is, of course, unfortunately often the story of this region. the civilians who get caught up in the violence that comes out of these activities, david.
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>> phil rutger, a tool in the tool box is caleading up to a decision. we started back looking at a few macro moments leading up to that and got more detail since. what do we know about the deliberation within the white house to make these strikes in iraq and baghdad and i think a lot of questions about which this administration thought through what might happen next. >> yeah, david, that is a good question. my reporting by my colleagues at "the post" revealed a lot of detail of what went into this decision. his vacation arnound the new yer and he was watching television as protests outside the embassy in baghdad were so colorful and loud and he was fuming about that. getting irritated about that. and was presented a slate of options from his military commanders.
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