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breaking news at the top of this hour. the intersection of two big developing stories. number one, iran making a stark admission of guilt over the downing of that ukrainian airliner, but there is a caveat. at nearly the same time of that revelation. the president, on national tv, trying to justify his deadly strike that left the number two iranian official dead. >> i can reveal that i believe it would have been four embassies and i think that probably baghdad already started. but i think it would have been four embassies. could have been military bases. could have been a lot of other things too. but it was imminent and then all of a sudden he was gone. >> and stemming from that attack in iraq, new questions on whether the specter of impeachment loomed over the president when he made that fateful decision. >> we have reason to be more that skeptical in any set of circumstances about his willingness to tell the truth,

so i'm not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this president, sadly. >> we're taking you right now to ottawa canada, we're listening to the prime minister, justin trudeau, who's talking about the downed ukrainian airliner with 57 canadians on board. >> i noted that many more steps must be taken. a full and complete investigation must be connected. we need full clarity on how such a horrific strategy could have occurred. families are seeking justice and accountability, and they deserve closure. i reiterated to president rouhani that it is absolutely necessary that canada participate in this investigation. we expect the full cooperation of iranian authorities. currently three visas have been approved for members of the standing rapid deployment team. we expect the lead members of

this team will arrive in tehran around 4:00 p.m. today and will establish a presence on the ground to support families. additional team members will follow. we're working with our partners facilitating the process by which visas are granted and currently iran is cooperating granting visas. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> we can hear the canadian prime minister speaking the dual language of the country, also in french. i understand what he's saying, he's saying what he said in english as well. but notably they are trying to get the visas for those to go to iran and help, and he's expecting the full cooperation of iranian government, having communicated that to the iranian

president. and our president h visas to go to iran for members of boeing and the federal investigation committee to go and figure out what happened as well. we'll see if those officials are taking up on that from the president. as we keep an eye on what the canadian prime minister is saying if he takes questions or elaborates. but i want to see if any of the dots can be connected in these top stories we have a number of msnbc journalists here and abroad. breaking news on the downing of airline flight 72. killing all 176 people on board. angry protesters are gathering on the streets of tehran lashing out against the iranian government. the canadian prime minister is reacting to the admission. 57 canadians died in that crash.

we begin with ali oruizi, what more can you tell us about reaction on the streets there today? >> there's an overwhelming sense of grief, anger and injustice here when the news broke this morning that the authorities in iran admitted to shooting down that jet, it didn't calm any anxieties here, it had the opposite effect, there's a general feeling they knew what had happened instantly and there was an attempt at a cover up in the face of overwhelming evidence they came out and admitted it today. that has made people very angry in iran and some protests have broken out, not only in tehran but in other cities. they have seemed to spread a bit calling for the death of the liars, calling for justice and a lot of anti-government slogans are also being chanted. emotions here are running very high, alex.

it's been an extraordinary ten days since the u.s. embassy in baghdad was attacked and qassem soleimani was killed. for the iranian people it's been a real roller coaster ride not just the ten days but the two years since president trump pulled out of the deal. but there is a sense of unpredictability here right now. we're not sure where this is going to go, if there's going to be a massive crackdown or not. but there are very tense scenes outside in the streets of tehran and other cities as we speak. >> i can imagine. ali thank you for keeping an eye on everything there in tehran for us. let's go to bill neally joining us from kiev. what about the reaction in ukraine, aside from the broken hearts? >> reporter: quite similar in a way. there is relief at the admission but also some anger here and a demand for justice.

president zelensky had a telephone conversation with iranian president rohuhani this afternoon and asked that the perpetrators be brought to justice and he said they would. there's also anger because iran tried to say the pilot, the ukrainian pilot had veered off course. and the ukrainian president expressed support for those pilots this afternoon to the iranian president. also it appears that iran while admitting what it did is in a sense trying to provide, if you like, context. for example, the foreign minister said it took place in the context of what he called u.s. adventurism and also the iranian revolutionary guard commander said this was the action of one missile operator

who acted independently and alone. he said the operator had about ten seconds to decide, thinking this was a cruise missile and decided to fire without seeking any clearance. so the revolutionary guard is trying to pin it on one guy. and i think here in ukraine, and elsewhere, that simply isn't good enough. it's not a good enough explanation for what many people here, and in the rest of the world, see as number one, reckless, and number two incompetent, alex. >> thank you for that update, bill neely. >> let's go to the white house and hans nichols standing by for us. we've heard this, first of all, the evolving narrative justifying the killing of the iranian general soleimani. walk us through what the administration is saying about that. >> reporter: it seems like every time they talk they alter it slightly. thursday the president said the threat was a single embassy.

then later that evening at the rally in ohio he had multiple embassies he said were targeted and that provided the imminent threat and allowed their threat. then in an interview that aired at 10:00 last night, he put the number at four. saying four embassies were targeted, including the one in baghdad. but if you listen closely he also has a little hedge in there. >> did he have a large scale attacks planned for other embassies, and if those were planned, why can't we reveal that to the american people? wouldn't that help your case? >> i can reveal that i believe it would have been four embassies and i think that probably baghdad already started. >> we had specific information on an imminent threat, and those threats included attacks on u.s. embassies. period. full stop. >> so you were mistaken when you

said you didn't know precisely when and where? >> no, those were true. >> reporter: a dispute between the briefers from the pentagon, state department to senators. ultimately it can be resolved. if senators keep asking for intelligence, if they're given access tho, you'll see more clear calls, you heard senators saying what they were told, provided they don't violate any classification challenges, but you could have a resolution to this if we continue to have both sides basically, alex, saying something that's contradicting. ultimately i suspect this is going to resolve itself and we'll find out who's telling the truth. it seems, at least right now from their public statements both sides can't be telling the truth. and if they're both going to keep talking potentially we could have resolution there. >> thank you for that hans nichols from the white house. impeachment drama. next week the house of

representatives will take the steps necessary to send the articles of impeachment to the senate. speaker nancy pelosi announced that yesterday ending an impasse over the impeachment process. here's what congressman jerry connelly told me last hour. >> i think it's reflective of a majority of my colleagues in the democratic caucus, that is to say what nancy did was quite shrewd. it shed light on what mcconnell is doing in the senate. his refusal to consider witnesses, his refusal to have a bipartisan set of rules of engagement for proceeding on the impeachment trial. >> joining me now, political correspondent for business insider. welcome to you. as we hear the congressman's statement, what's your reaction to that? let's keep in mind there are a number of democrats who have publically criticized pelosi for the delay before rallying behind her. i asked him about that before he gave the answer we just heard. it was something that really

this week seemed to take a step, do you know if anything happened that brought everybody back on the same page? >> i think it's really interesting because it seems the two things that were the biggest benefits from nancy pelosi holding the articles are things people haven't been talking about much. the first is john boltobolton's agreement to testify before the senate -- >> but the president said he would put the quash on that. >> the thing with that, absolute immunity does not exist. so if bolton wanted to testify, there's nothing that would stop him from doing so. he said he would clearly be willing to if the senate agreed to call witnesses. i think if pelosi hadn't withheld the articles bolton wouldn't have said this. in the time line we saw a federal judge throw a lawsuit from bolton's deputy as to a ruling whether he had to listen

to the congressional subpoena or the white house's exertion of executive privilege. the other thing is susan collins' revelation that she's working with a small group of senators to ensure witnesses will be called during the trial. if pelosi hadn't hold those i'm not sure collins, and other senators who are moderate or vulnerable republican senators would have come to this potential discussion. >> it only takes a few. a small group could mandate that we have to have witnesses, in contrast to mitch mcconnell saying we don't have to have witnesses. but "the washington post" laid out three main arguments the democrats are making why this is not a loss. one they brought attention to how the republicans plan to hold a senate trial. two it made president trump sweat.

and three it put pressure on the moderate senate republican to hear witnesses. so was this a risk worth taking in the long run, do you think sonom? >> it's hard to see what the democrats thought was the down side of withholding the articles. it doesn't seem they have lost anything. if anything, they have gained a couple of benefits, as "the washington post" reported. the main thing is the discussion over calling witnesses. that could be a material effect of it. the other thing is democrats have historically lost the messaging war with republicans when it comes to big issues. this is something they might have won because as "the washington post" reported it puts pressure on not just trump but on mitch mcconnell. because you have witnesses like john bolton saying i'd be willing to testify, to talk to you. so it makes it difficult for mcconnell to say we don't want to talk to you. even if you have facts.

we have breaking news weather wise. four people are dead as storms bring rain and tornados across several states. tornados and widespread winds have caused damage across louisiana, arkansas and alabama. the wind has affected traffic, blowing over an 18-wheeler in louisiana. there's lightning which may be to blame for a massive house fire in texas this morning. we're going to bundle it up and toss it to meteorologist janessa webb with how the storms have gotten started and what you're predicting. >> just getting word from the national weather service in birmingham, another fatality. we had a tornado touchdown about five minutes ago as the squall line continues to make its way across alabama. the national weather service orr casting a tornado watch in place for central alabama, if you're in these locations you need to

be in a safe spot. potential for more severe weather as the cloud coverage continues to be in place. another breaking weather event on the backside of this system. across chicago we're seeing bands of rain taking place in that area. i want to show you this video of lakeshore communities dealing with this high surf up to 23 feet. now we're causing -- this is causing major flooding on lakeshore communities, on the roadways as the storm surge really continues to filter in that area. we've seen 2 to 5 inches of rain already and forecasting, alex, another 3 to 5 inches. so this is the worst flooding that we've seen from this storm so far. and this could potentially get worse in the next few hours. now the severe threat still on the southern side as temperatures continue to heat up. we're talking about 22 million people still in place across the

southeast. this is going to stretch from new orleans to nashville this afternoon. we are talking about day time highs that are in the upper 60s to 70s. so that's going to fuel up these storms and cause that severe squall line really to really not decrease here in the next hour or so. now by later on tonight, as the sun sets we're going to see the cloud coverage be in place and start to deal with finally some cooling, alex and hopefully lose the force of this system. what we haven't talked about is record breaking temperatures. completely taking over the northeast. we're talking about highs hitting in the 60s. this is just a very unusual weather pattern that we're seeing, alex. >> indeed and dangerous. thanks for your vigilance in that. new video captures american and russian warships in high tensions on the seas. there's one high profile senator fighting for witnesses in the impeachment trial and she is a

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it was very well done. i think they've done an excellent job of outlining the rationale behind both the decision to go after soleimani and the response to the iranian attack yesterday. so it's very well done. >> we had a good briefing that i think did address both the issues. >> probably the worst briefing i've seen, at least on a military issue, in the nine years i've served in the united states senate. >> i join senator lee in making the decision to also support the war powers resolution. i wanted to hear the intelligence first. what i hear was less than satisfying. >> well, republican lawmakers there clearly not on the same page as they give mixed reactions after being briefed by the trump administration on what they say was an imminent threat that justified the killing of iranian general soleimani. all this as there's questions over what led to the decision to

carry out the air strike. joining me now, ted lu, democratic member of the house judiciary committees. your fellow lawmakers received the same information, yet if you hear those four different voices, there are two stark contrasting tales here of stories. what do you make of the split? >> i went through the briefing and i agree with republican senators mike lee and rand paul that that briefing was sorely lacking in details, information. it was basically essentially trust us and that's not what they should be doing. the administration should be providing actual evidence to members of congress. i've learned more from watching msnbc and reading the paper than i have from that briefing. at the end of the day it's clear we're less safe now than we were in the beginning of the year from donald trump's impulsive

actions. >> did you hear anything about four embassies being attacked as president trump said last night? >> i can't get into details of what was said. what i can say, the administration's story on what constitutes an imminent threat keeps changing. and it caused the american people to ask is the administration making stuff up? >> let's get to a new poll, this is from "usa today" that shows 55% of americans say soleimani's killing has made the u.s. less safe. that's more than double the 24% who believe it made the u.s. more safe. what goes through your head when you see numbers like this? >> first of all, the american people are smart and they understand that we need to have a strategy in iran. and it's really clear that as a result of donald trump's reckless actions the following bad things have happened, iran is no longer abiding by nuclear limits on their nuclear program. iraq, which is an ally, voted to

kick u.s. troops out of its country. and then iran launched a bunch of missiles at u.s. troops. this was all avoidable, we're clearly less safe now than we were at the beginning of the year. >> there's a lot of conversation around what led to the killing of qassem soleimani. we're learning from a new wall street journal report, some high ranking officials, leaned on to later explain it publicly, said they learned of the action from news reports. what does this tell you, sir, about who the president is getting his advise from and does it concern you? >> for the last three years donald trump has shown he's impulsive and reckless when it comes to decision making and what's worse, he puts his interests above national security. it's one of the reasons he was impeached, for abuse of his office, power, and if "the washington journal" article is true, this is highly disturbing. >> as we turn to impeachment,

though there are remnants of the iran issue in this question because according to the same "the washington journal" report, the president said he was under pressure from gop senators whom he views as important supporters in his coming senate trial. do you believe the president's impeachment influenced the soleimani strike? >> it would not surprise me. i know other evidence than what i've read in "the washington journal," i do note it is consistent with donald trump's behavior, where he continually puts himself and his family over that of the united states of america. so i would like to see the additional fact that is come out from the allegations in that story. >> with regard to house speaker pelosi announcing she's sending over both articles of impeachment to the senate this week what does that look like and how soon will the trial begin? >> why was donald trump abus

impeached in the first place? because he used to his position to get a federal government to help in his campaign. now the american people deserve a fair trial in the senate. who heard of a trial with no witnesses and no documents? it's absurd. it's also something the president should want. if there's a fake trial in the senate and he gets acquitted, that would be a fake acquittal. we're all fighting for the same thing and hopefully the senate will have witnesses and documents for their trial. >> the president used the words fake news to describe "the washington journal" report we just discussed. we have gop senator susan collins who told her paper that she's working with a fairly small group of republicans to ensure that cwitnesses can be called in the senate trial. she later told nbc news it's important that both sides be treated fairly. how much influence and impact will she have in shaping whether or not there are witnesses and

how this trial plays out? >> there are about six or so republican senators facing difficult re-election campaigns. the polling is very clear that the overwhelming majority of americans want a fair trial in the senate. that means having witnesses and documents. i don't think these six or so republican senators want to vote no on having witnesses or documents for their trial. i think that's one reason susan collins is working so hard to make sure there's actually a fair trial in the u.s. senate. >> beyond that, in terms of the who, sir, president trump is signaling he would block testimony from his top aids, including former national security advisor john bolton, as you know he said he would testify if subpoenaed. listen to the president. >> i would love everybody to testify. i like mick to testify. i like mike pompeo to testify. i like rick perry to testify. i want everybody. but there are things that you can't do from the standpoint of executive privilege. you have to maintain that.

so we'll see where it all goes. >> i'm curious to your reaction to that. and would the prospect of executive privilege be able to apply to john bolton if he says, no, i will comply with a subpoena? >> the president is lying. he doesn't want those witnesses to testify. if he wanted them to testify, they already would have testified. and so the american people need to ask, why doesn't the administration want those witnesses to testify. in addition executive privilege cannot be used to cover up criminal misconduct. the president was impeached for engaging in illegal activity executive privilege would not apply to any of these witnesses. and he cannot stop john bolton from testifying he's no longer in administration, he can do whatever he wants to do. >> ted lieu, very good to see you. look forward to seeing you again. thank you. >> thank you. just three weeks out from the caucuses, iowa has a new

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let's get to major developments in campaign 2020 with 23 days until the nation's

first contest in iowa, we have bernie sanders leading the back there. sanders is atop with 20%. senator elizabeth warren has 17. mayor pete is at 16%. no longer the front runner in that state, we should note. while iowa is weeks away, the candidates are spread across the country. you have senators warren, klobuchar in iowa today. biden and pete buttigieg are in nevada along with amy klobuchar, hitting two states today. vaughn hillyard you're in newton, iowa. talk about the campaigns and what they're doing this busy weekend. >> reporter: the reality when you are three weeks out from the iowa caucus is that you hit snowstorms along the way. bernie sanders had two events he had to cancel yesterday more than 5 inches of snow came down here, but in about 30 minutes

from now, he'll hold his first event of the weekend in newton before going to mississippi in davenport. he has events here as well tomorrow. what you are seeing for these numbers, for bernie sanders let's put it in context. this is the first time that bernie sanders has led in this particular poll, this is the gold standard poll here across iowa. the name bernie sanders is well known throughout these parts, but what you see in why bernie sanders is feeling good about these numbers is particularly when you go deeper into them, is the fact among folks that say they support bernie sanders he has the highest amount of enthusiastic support, about 50% of his voters say they're enthusiastic about supporting him. compare it for joe biden and pete buttigieg it's about 26%. at the same time we should note that 45% of iowa democrats said they have not wholly made up their minds and are still open to changing their decisions. another 13% were unwilling to

even name their top pick at this point. this is the reality. you have top four in this race, pete buttigieg, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, and joe biden. the rest of the field trying to hold on and trying to make a play. and i think that's where you have to look at the reality is that this is going to go beyond iowa. not only to new hampshire but then to nevada, south carolina. you see tom stier in polling that came out the other day, performing well in nevada and south carolina. you see michael bloomberg, where he is today? he's in texas. he's poured nearly $200 million into this campaign, not putting money in the early states because if you're looking at the polling numbers it's clear there's not going to be a clear front runner coming out of iowa and this field is wide open heading into february. >> which makes all of your reports so interesting, vaughn hillyard. thank you for that. let's go to new polling that came out a short time ago. it gives insight into where a

key voting block stands. a national "the washington post" ipsis poll shows joe biden far and away the favorite candidate among black voters with 48% of those backing him for the nomination. back with me now is sonoman. how significant is this? >> black voters are historically one of the most significant democratic groups for the democratic process and nomination. also for a national election. it is a big deal that joe biden commands, by far, the most black voter support in this country. i think it's a big reason why -- if we look at iowa and new hampshire, as vaughn said before, it's essentially a four-way pileup between biden, sanders, buttigieg and warn. but biden and sanders are two candidates that have a path to the nation even if they don't have first place finishes in iowa and new hampshire.

that could be because they have such solid support amongst black voters. pete buttigieg has touted his status as front runner, which isn't the case anymore. if he doesn't shore up his support among black voters it's a difficult road to the nomination. >> a group he struggled with. let's look at the biden sanders, the back and forth there. you have bernie sanders 28 percentage points behind joe biden but if you dig in deeper, he is actually leading among voters under the age of 35. what does that tell you? does that reflect his popularity of particularly democrat -- pardon me, the group with the youth, he's very popular with the group. >> it's a big deal, especially because young voters are becoming a really important determining factor in who wins elections. if we looked at the 2018 midterms, beyond the 2016 election, young people have been getting more and more involved in national and local politics.

we know that bernie sanders has a very strong foundation of support among young, progressive voters. so i don't think it would be prudent to write him off completely as far as, you know, shoring up his black support. joe biden, of course, is a relatively flawed candidate. he has flip flopped a lot on his positions in the past. he was cozy with segregationist senators. we know his positions on forced school busing. so i would expect those issues to be a pretty front and center talking point as the democratic field narrows to people like sanders, warren and buttigieg who are going to hit biden on this. >> thank you for the chat again. the upwar over mexit. now to a matter of distrust in president trump of people around the world. a new poll shows people disrupt vladimir putin and xi jingping

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between the u.s. and russia. take a listen to this. [ horn blowing ] >> so those five sharp blasts warned the russian cruiser it was dangerously close. the russian ship delayed in complying with international rules and increased the risk of a collision, but today the russian defense ministry is accusing the u.s. war ship saying it crossed the russian ship's path without warning. let's turn to the headlines on mexit. a new daily mail poll shows the british are split over when they agree with harry and meg gan's decision. 50% say the couple is right to leave, 36% say they do not.

joining me is camilla tominey. let's start our conversation with another look at a poll that shows 60% of british people do not think meghan and harry should keep their royal perks. any idea which perks have been referenced, if any, that the couple will still get and do you know how they will become financially independent? >> that's right. i think the polling reflects the british feeling here. on one hand there's huge simply with the idea of giving up their royal life, they're unhappy and there's sympathy for it. but on the other hand people are saying they can't have their cake and eat it. so some of the perks are their h&h status, his and her royal title. the idea they can refer to themselves as royal. equally they have tax pare funded body guards which may have to be reconsidered.

they have their house in windsor, it costs around $4 million to refurbish recently. so there's a sense that the public do understand where harry and meghan are coming from, but don't necessarily think they should continue if they want to be financially independent by being subsidized by the public. >> can you put into perspective how much people truly care about this? is it a body blow to most brits given their -- most of their love of the queen, but the monarch has its issues at times but they love the queen and the way she's been treated here, or do people not care? what's the sense? >> i don't think people are necessarily losing sleep about it, alex, outside of the palace. but at the same time, of course, the british royal family has been part and parcel of british culture for decades if if not centuries. there is this sense over the brewing storm over the way the

duke and duchess has been treated has been a water cooler topic of conversation, no doubt about it. everyone is talking about it and it's dominating the headlines. but actually i think people want this to come to a family resolution. that's why it's such an interesting story. on one level it does involve issues of state constitutional matters and this institutional monarchy, but on the other hand i think people as they read the headlines over their breakfast cereal in the morning can identify what seems to be a power struggle within the family and after christmas everyone can identify that. >> absolutely. if you look at where harry and meghan stand, if you look at previous generations they're not dissimilar to the roles played by prince andrew, prince ann, and princess edward. in general, they have taken a backseat to prince charles as in this generation prince william takes the foreground with kate

middleton, ultimately if they decide to step back, where's the harm being done? >> i don't think there is that much harm. i think the public is behind them in doing that. as you say, they're not in the line directly, prince harry is sixth in line to the thrown. as the cambridge children become more high profile, they're further back into the realms of irrelevance. the difference here if you compare them with the siblings of prince charles, they do have celebrity status, this a-list quality. harry and william have it because of their mother and everything that happened to her. they're very famous in their own right and i think her american background and the fact that she was an actress and has somewhat of a profile before means there's an extra day mention to these two. they know that. they know they have a strong band and they don't want to a, be told what to do and b, be put

in a box. clearly there's a lucrative future for them in north america. that's what they're trying to capitalize on. but balancing it with royal life and public funding, has never been done before. >> sussex royal is definitely their brand. you talk about how it's on everybody's lips right now. the bbc held the special panel to discuss it. lots of opinions expressed about why this might have happened during the panel. listen to this. >> this probably wouldn't have happened if there hadn't been such negative coverage from the british media. >> nobody has told them just what is and is not expected of them. so they deserve sympathy. but prince charles, william and the queen deserve sympathy in all of this. i hope they'll keep talking. >> this is the royal family and i hope we end up in a position that the family gets a result that's good for them and also goods for the country. one of the things we have seen

throughout the history of our country is that the royal family has evolved over the centuries and generations to reflect the country. >> quite something the bbc having that entire panel. do you think a lot of the negative coverage was an influence to their decision to step back? >> certainly prince harry cited it as such because he released the unprecedented statement about the press after they returned from their african tour in the fall. yes, they think they've been unduly vilified. when they released their website they're talking about withdrawing, and being able to pick their journalists. i would make this point, alex. it's funny they are having a go at the royal correspondents who wrote they were operating in a silo, weren't consulting the queen and there was a rift between prince harry and prince william, which was confirmed by prince harry himself when he gave a tv documentary last year. so some of the reporters have

been indicated but clearly the couple don't see it like that and they don't like the negative publicity. >> camilla, we're glad to have your voice added to this conversation. how quickly could iran get a nuclear bomb? the author of this article is going to join me to talk about it next. s going to join me to talk about it next. ♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures,

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a new article examines a critical question as the iran conflict escalates today. that being how quickly could iran get a nuclear bomb. joining me is former senior coordinator for nuclear security and nonproliferation at the u.s. department of energy during the obama administration. corey worked on implementing that 2015 iran deal. welcome to you, how fast could iran make a nuclear bomb and have one that would be ready to be workable and launch? >> i'm going to take the easy way out here and say we actually don't really know the answer to that. what we do know is that the factors that influence how quickly they could get a nuclear weapon are changing, and they're changing as a result of the announcements that iran has been making over the last nine months. >> okay. i'm going to put the question to you in a different way. i'm not trying to put pressure,

but are you concerned that a nuclear bomb could be created in sixth mont six months, six years? is there a window in which you think it is viable? >> right, and i think this is really the important question is what what is the amount of time we're looking at where we'd have the notice that they would make such a decision and the ability to get -- and leading up to the deal that was concluded in 2015, the breakout time line, which we used to describe the amount of time it would take iran to get that first nuclear weapons worth of material, of highly enriched uranium or plutonium. that time was down on the order of a couple of months, and that was deemed by the international community as too soon to be able to react if we saw the steps start to be taken by iran. what the deal did is it actually extended that time line to be at least a year, and that at least a year was going to last for

more than ten years of the nuclear deal. >> right. >> the first ten years, so where we are right now is we're stepping back slowly from that year because we know they have taken steps such as increasing the amount of material they have and the number of machines that they could use to further process that material, and so we're slowly going back from a year. i don't think we're at the matter of weeks or a few months yet, but that's what we're going to be watching. >> that deal, i want our viewers to know you played a role, a critical one in the implementation of the jcpoa. the european union wants to resurrect this deal. how likely is that to happen? i mean what could they offer iran to see this deal get back into place, especially without u.s. support? >> the european union is in a very difficult place because they have obligations under the international agreement they made through the iran nuclear deal that they actually cannot meet because given the sanctions that the united states has put on, the europeans and every other country in the world

basically has to decide do i want to do business with iran or the united states, and given the sie size of the u.s. market, that's not a difficult choice in the end. so iran is trying to work with the eu to find other ways that they can get some of the financial benefits that were envisioned through the deal, and at the same time they are slowly moving up their nuclear activity so they can show their domestic population among others that they're not just being held to their side of the deal. >> we're going to have more conversations with you about this very complex situation. thank you so much. >> thank you. what happened this week in the harvey weinstein trial, the very latest on the jury selection in our next hour. ones - like new hawaiian-style garlic shrimp. and, get a sweet dessert. three courses. one amazing price. so come in today.

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as we approach the top of the hour, i'm out of time. i'll see you tomorrow at noon eastern. >> it's goods to see you at this hour as well, i'm david guerra here at msnbc headquarters in new york. we begin this hour with breaking news. protests happening right now in iran's capital in response to the country's government admitting iran shot down that ukraine international airlines plane. the government says unintentionally just minutes after it took off from tehran's airport killing 176 people. we're going to go live to tehran in just a moment. those protests happening amid growing skepticism at home about the evidence for president trump's decision to kill iran's top general, qassem soleimani. why more republicans in congrs