protests wrap up after their leaders now admit to shooting down a passenger plane. apologies from iranian leaders, though, do little to calm protesters. they demand the supreme leader step down. a war of words between president trump and house speaker nancy pelosi. her new comments as she prepares to send aemp articles of impeachment to the senate. a family meeting with the british royal family. what happens inside could decide the roles as harry and meghan step away. we'll start with military cop arthritic in the skies of iraq. sunday eight rockets striking the air base north of blgd. the attack killed four iraqi soldiers. no injuries among the more than 5,000 u.s. troops there. no group has explained responsibility for that strike yet. today is the second day of missile strikes in five days targeted u.s. bases in iraq.

this all follows the killing of general qassem soleimani. there are reports in the streets as well. reports of hundreds of street protesters in tehran today. they are demanding the ayatollah step down as supreme leader. now, they are mad at iran's government for its late admission that its very own military mistakenly shot down a ukrainian passenger jet, all 176 people, most of iranian descent or iran citizens on board dying from that attack. secretary of defense mark esper took to the sunday shows to explain the reasoning behind the killing of soleimani. when asked whether there was decisive intelligence of an imminent threat, well, he had mixed messaging. >> you believe the threat was real. do you believe it was imminent nchts in my definition, yes. the attack was days away. he had a proven record of executing attacks and killing

americans. it was going to be at multiple sites. >> what the president said was he believed there could have been attacks against multiple embassies. i shared that view. >> probably and could have been, that sounds more like an assessment than a specific tangible threat with decisive piece of intelligence. >> the president didn't say -- he didn't site a specific piece of evidence. >> are you saying there wasn't one? >> i didn't see one. >> esper said he didn't see one, but the president said friday there were threats to four embassies. >> large scale attacks planned for other embassies. if those were planned, why can't we reveal that to the american people? wouldn't that help your case? >> i can reveal that i believe it would have been four embassies. and i think that probably baghdad already started. baghdad certainly would have been the lead but i think it would have been four embassies. could have been military bases. could have been a lot of other things, too. it was imminent. all of a sudden he was gone.

>> for more now we're joined by nbc news correspondent matt bradley in tel aviv. matt, with these rockets, eight more today we're aware of. the damage, those who have been killed, what does this say? >> well, actually, richard, no one has been killed. there were eight rockets balad air base north of baghdad. there were four iraqi air force personnel who were injured, two of them were officers is what we're hearing. so this is something that actually has been happening quite a bit lately. we've been hearing about rockets attack, mainly make and model, landing on bases where u.s. soldiers may or may not be. in this particular instance there were no u.s. soldiers at the base at the time but there had been before. it seems as though u.s. troops had been rotating around, making taking evasive action out of concern for just this type of ventiali

eventuali eventuality. you mentioned the threats, the head of hezbollah, north of where i am in israel, he also said that he had been speaking with qassem soleimani and soleimani wasn't planning to attack the embassies. he in his speech today directly recounted and denied what the president had been saying about those four embassies. whether his word matters in this or not, it's unclear. it's not entirely clear why he would lie either. he also said something else that was really interesting, richard. he wants to continue exacting vengeance against the u.s. that flies in the face of what we heard from the iranians who said they were satisfied with that consider attack that happened against u.s. bases, and, of course the president also tweeted that all is well and looked like this whole thing had been wrapped up. you're going to start to see i think proxy groups like hezbollah, one of the most capable of all iranian proxies in the middle east start to spin out because maybe they didn't

want to take ownership of this really humiliating failure, this whole episode that saw the iranians making a massive -- not only a feeble response to u.s. assassinating qassem soleimani but then they shot town an airplane and killed 176 civilians. these groups throughout the region, the quds force that used to be led by qassem soleimani has created and grown up together, they might see that the taste they have for vengeance is still kind of sitting on their lips. richard. >> nbc's news's matt bradley for us live in tel aviv, israel. thank you for that with the very lateth. i want to bring in our panel, foreign correspondent for "new york times," nbc news international affairs analyst. general mccaffrey, retired four star general and msnbc news analyst. what are you hearing about the rockets? what are you hearing about the protest? hundreds today. also reports thousands the day

before. what that mood and tension is like. >> first of all, regarding the rockets, one of the possible players that could be responsible is kataib hezbollah, the proxy that was related to general soleimani. and although iran has said that they are not going to escalate, what most experts fear is that the one itself may not be the one that pursues the next aggression, instead it's going to be its many proxies in the region. that could be what we are seeing now. regarding the protests, i think these are significant. these are thousands of people that have taken to the street asking for regime change, which is for the a small thing in a place that has a totalitarian streak. it seems to be a turnaround from a couple days ago when we saw millions in the street attempting the funeral of soleimani. but in fact, if you stop to talk to people from there, it appears that these two things may not be

in conflict at all. as one person said, iranians can walk and chew gum at the same time. soleimani was not seen by iranians today the way we see him. he was the de facto number two of the state. by many he was seen as a hero, a martyr, as somebody who helped lead iran into the world. so it makes sense that a lot of people would come to his funeral, just as it makes sense that you would have protests now. >> you have supporters on both sides. he's a polarized figure. much loved but not liked by many at the same time. when we look at this general, the eight rockets, matt bradley saying the type of rockets, are we going to keep on seeing this happen repeatedly, whether hezbollah in iraq or iran itself in terms of the military action that seems to be increasing at least as of today.

>> sure. that's where it started. two months ago as isis disappeared as a viable fighting force, the cooperation between the shia militia, the iranian quds force and the u.s. sort-of-de facto collective tax disappears as a valid factor. the iranians have said categorically they want us out of iraq, they want us out of the middle east. so they had dialed up attacks on u.s. bases. they have 5,000 troops spread out. they are vulnerable. fortunately they are dug in. they have bunkers. i've been under a lot of rocket and artillery and mortar attacks. if you're underground you're okay unless it lands on you. we're in a very threatening position with isolated u.s. military units exacerbated by the president of the united states saying, hey, we're not leaving. we're going to sanction you if you try and get us out of there. so suddenly, what are we an occupying force with 5,000

troops? astonishing situation. >> part of that astonishing situation, ambassador, is that now rawmakers in iraq are saying, as the general is i want ma -- intimating here, asking the united states to leave. the united states responding in turn saying, well, if you do not allow us to stay, we have this thing called the fed. give us the context, if you can, ambassador. >> well, i mean, we're in this very strange situation where a care taker government in iraq with half the parliament is asking us to leave. we then asserting, i think, imperially we're going to stay. i hope these are the opening gambits in a negotiated situation that allows us to keep our forces there. because if we don't -- i want to underscore if we do not, if we leave iraq, that's exactly what qassem soleimani and the regime have wanted for years. i think it's very important to understand the difference

between these tactical things we've been talking about, including very tragic things, and our long-term security objectives in the region, vis-a-vis iran, and to make sure we keep our focus on those strategic objectives. >> the question came out today on the sunday shows about the information that was available to the president, was available to his cabinet. we played some of that at the start of the show here. the president on friday saying he believed four embassies had imminent threats. esper saying he did not have specific information at least when he was on cbs. which is correct here? >> i think we've seen this a number of times with this administration where the president will come out and say something. then over the course of days and sometimes weeks, it is revealed to have been an exaggeration of what was really there. i think it's pretty clear now from the sources i've spoken to and my colleagues have spoken to that there was no imminent threat in how you and i would understand that term.

meaning imminent, meaning right now, urgently. >> you're one of the first reporters on that idea of what justified this idea of imminent. >> sure. what's happened in the last week is that members of congress have been briefed on the intelligence that led to this momentous decision to kill essentially the number two of iran. and these members of congress, in turn, have spoken and have made clear in turn they did not see any signs of an imminent threat. what there was was a pattern of escalating attacks. so you had the rocket attack right around christmas time that took out the american contractor. you had the attack on the oil tankers, et cetera, et cetera. you had a pattern of travel where soleimani was seen to be going to iraq to syria, to lebanon having meetings with actors in those areas that are known to be offensive towards the u.s. and then lastly, you had this telephone call, very important, between soleimani and the supreme leader where

soleimani is heard to say he's seeking an accord for an operation. but crucially the supreme leader, the ayatollah, told him, you know what, i want you to come to tehran for further questions. >> militarily and practically, general, based on what she's telling us on the discussion about an imminent threat, tell us the importance of really digging into that definition or not. >> well, that's an excellent question. look, soleimani has been after u.s. forces for 10 years. he's killed hundreds of u.s. troops, tens of thousands of people throughout the middle east. of course he had continuing military options to run us out of iraq. now, the imminent part, i'm persuaded the president fabricated. when secretary esper gets on a sunday talk show and says he didn't see the intelligence that caused the president to say that, i'm here to tell you after two assignments in the jcs, it is not possible for that to have

happened. i think for make reason the administration has decided they needed to claim imminent to explain killing soleimani at the baghdad international airport, which was clearly a violation of our presence in iraq and led to these massive cascading negative effects. i think the president is making it up. >> ambassador, it was said that the protesters today wanted the ayatollah to be removed, to step aside. this is a theocracy led by a religious leader. is that possible and what might that mean? >> well, first i want to remind everybody watching, this is not the first time we've seen massive protests asking for democratic regime change in iran. i remember 2009 the green revolution that happened. i remember just a few months ago you had massive demonstrations all over the country. it was so big that the regime used force to kill hundreds of people and arrest thousands. so the sentiment against the

theocracy has been there for a long time. as to whether the regime falls or not, these are difficult things to predict. we're not very good at predicting revolutions. i do think it's important to watch domestic politics in iran in order to understand their next moves vis-a-vis the rest of the region. lots of people a few weeks ago were speculating or last week when the strike against soleimani said that had to do with american domestic politics, maybe the new attacks in iraq today also have to do with iranian domestic politics, a diversion from these very real and pressing protests on the region now. >> thank you ambassador, general mccaffrey, thank you so much. coming up, we're going to turn to the campaign trail. elizabeth warren canvassing iowa with julian castro. she's also expressing some disappointment with her fellow candidate, bernie sanders. and then --

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so we had to kind of cut back quite a bit. so we were taking this for a year. we actually just got our last check so now we're coming to that time where we don't have this income supplementing my loss of income, so we're going to have to cut back, you know. >> all right. one of the few folks that got the $1,000 a month from the yang campaign and he's been saying it a lot. we thought we would speak with somebody who finished an entire year with ubi. thank you very much, chuck fassi, enjoy your sunday. >> thanks for having me. coming up, nancy pelosi speaks out as she prepares to send articles of impeachment to the senate. they are going to break down the history of foreign policy in the region, watch "iran crisis" tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. night 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. "1917" is the winner of the golden globe for best director.

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welcome back. nancy pelosi says she'll be holding a meeting with house members on tuesday. that's about when the discussion will be to send the articles of impeachment to the senate. the speaker has drawn some criticism from both sides of the aisle for her decision to delay the delivery to this point. this morning pelosi brushed off

her critics and she did not rule out the possibility of bringing additional articles against president trump sometime in the future. >> this is a president who has said article 2 says i can do whatever i want. it does not. >> do you think it's possible the house might have to file new articles of impeachment? >> well, let's just see what the senate does. the ball will be in their court soon. >> president trump meanwhile spent much of sunday morning tweeting against speaker pelosi and others in congress, as he awaits his upcoming trial in the senate. joining us senior writer for "u.s. news and world report," scott wong senior writer for hill, joyce vance attorney and legal analyst. scott wong, what is being said on the hill now? what do they want? what do house democrats want? >> just about an hour ago the president tweeted he wants to see mitch mcconnell and senate republicans vote to dismiss this impeachment trial all together.

he believes that an impeachment trial would give credence and credibility to impeachment itself, and he's obviously very upset with that. so this is precisely what nancy pelosi has been arguing all along. she has withheld these articles of impeachment because she was worried mitch mcconnell and the republicans would just move to dismiss them all together without holding a fair trial. the president's recent tweets and comments seem to vindicate that argument. what we're going to see in coming days is nancy pelosi finally moving, we think, articles of impeachment over to senate, which will now trigger this whole new process in the senate. there are a number of procedural steps that need to take place before we see an actual trial. so it's very possible that we won't see the trial phase of this until sometime next week.

>> joyce, based on that reporting that from scott about the tweet from the president about dismissing it all together, we've also heard the other option you've talked about, he would move forward, mitch mcconnell, the majority leader, without the very articles themselves. can you discuss very quickly legalistically how those two options might happen or not. >> you know, it's an interesting thing, richard, the constitution doesn't really set up a legal process here. it leaves a lot of those decisions to the senate. in this case that defaults to mitch mcconnell. this is many of the above choices. only what's politically palatable. as the evidence mounts against the president here and suggests he's possibly done something wrong and certainly engaged in a cover-up, mcconnell may have to

engage in a process that satisfies people that there's some fairness even if it's not what nancy pelosi wants. >> susan, as we look at democrats and republicans, in order to get witnesses in short four republican senators need to go the other way, right? susan collins, the reporting has been, has been talking and working towards something. but as has been said, it often doesn't necessarily result in anything. but at least she's saying she's trying something. what is she trying and are we going to see four republican senators move? >> i don't know that we'll see four. i think we've seen some cracks in the trump wall there on the republican side. when you look at the polling -- you know, polling does matter, that's where you see the biggest majority of americans saying, what do you mean no witnesses. what do you mean have a trial with no witnesses. having a trial, that seems to be part of it. it's ironic people who did the

prosecuting are talking about having a fair trial. looking at re-election chances. she's certainly one that's vulnerable next year. i think it's possible. i have to hand it to trump, he's a master brander. he's managed to cast this as you either being on team trump or not on team trump. that's why he's calling, for example, for nancy pelosi and adam schiff to be called as witnesses. that may be the thing. pelosi really gets the trump psychology. she gets under his skin, keeping him dangling and it's driving him nuts. >> susan collins, scott wong, is she going to do it? >> we've seen her in this position before where she sort of flirts with breaking with her party. she did it with brett kavanaugh and his confirmation hearing. she ultimately sided with the republicans and the president in that regard. i think she is under enormous pressure heading into 2020 and facing re-election.

so she needs to show voters in her state, maine, that she, you know, has an independent streak. so i think that's sort of what's happening here. she's trying to show a little bit of independence from the president. but you know, when it's all said and done, she probably will be with her party on this. so it's really unclear, i think, at this point whether we're going to see any witnesses. i talked to a republican senator last week who said he was open to hearing from john bolton in a senate trial, but a lot of republicans, i think, would want john bolton to testify behind closed doors, not necessarily in an open process where it would be a circus-like atmosphere. >> joyce advance national security adviser, former john bolton, where should he give testimony, in the house or the senate? >> preferably in the senate in an open setting.

the american people are entitled to the truth here. it's impossible to bring this to a conclusion that exonerates the president unless we hear what people like john bolton and lev parnas, rudy giuliani's associate has to say. without that, it won't be a fair trial just a cover-up. >> quick moving this hour. thanks so much. thank you all three on a sunday. the royal family, they are hours away from a meeting. this meeting could decide the future for the duke and duchess of sussex. you know those two? d duchess of sussex. you know those two

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that's rocking the nation. britain's queen elizabeth now calling for an emergency meeting following prince harry and meghan markle's bombshell decision to quit their royal duties. tomorrow prince williams and his son, prince william, prince harry all scheduled to sit down and discuss the couple's future arrangements. meghan markle is in canada with baby archie and may join by phone. joining me bbc royal commentator and member of royal family as future countess. julie, all of this happening here. why? >> you know, we're going interest unchartered territory here. i think this is happening because harry is looking to his wife and seeing how unhappy she is here in britain. you know, i don't think that surprises anybody because the

british tabloids are so scathing and ruthless towards her. at the same time we know harry, his life has been about a life of service. that's what the royal family is about, whereas meghan's life has been a life about doing, the work ethic in america. they are going to try to combine the service and the doing together and see if they can make it work. i really think that they can. i think prince william in particular and kate will benefit from this for, you're shock pictures now of princess charlotte and prince louis because what will happen to them when prince george becomes king eventually. i think this is the benefit for everybody in the royal family on how we can make this work, the service and doing what we want to do. >> so there has been an op-ed about how meghan markle was treated, the issue of her race being brought up or intimations of there in the uk. on the flip side there is prince

harry and remembering his mother and how she was also castigated by the press. put those together quickly for us. >> absolutely. we've for the harry who has grown up 35 years, again, a life of service, seeing his mother die at age 12, having to walk behind her coffin in front of millions of people. he marys tmarries the love of h, an american go getter, very ambitious. she tried, she even said i tried but it's not good enough to survive, we need to thrive. that couple is out there to thrive. they are going to do that. i 100% believe that. it depends on the meeting tomorrow but they will make it work. >> you have five seconds. what's the headline after the meeting. >> the headline is we're going to see harry and meghan getting a lot of what they want. i don't think they will be able to keep their titles, keep

throwitheir house and we'll see them do extraordinary things in the future. >> julie montague, thanks for stopping in. texas is the first state in the nation that will reject resettling of refugees. this follows the trump administration's order giving local governments the authority to make that very decision. in the statement released friday texas governor greg abbott says texas has carried more than its share in assisting the refugee resettlement process and appreciates that other states are available to help with these efforts. now, according to data from the pew research center, texas took in the most refugees last year at 2500, that's followed by washington state, new york, and california. with us now sylvia foster, immigration reporter for san antonio express news. as we see the great state of texas, very important state for many reasons, but with immigration, you can see the top of the list right now, what will

this mean to those that are looking for refuge? >> so basically what that means is those refugees that are participating in the resettlement program won't be going to texas. they can move to texas afterwards. but the services will not be available in texas, assuming that this decision moves forw d forward. >> what are the efforts against this decision by greg abbott. >> well, a lot of refugee agencies have expressed their concerns about not being able to provide these services for refugees. texas, as you noted, that long for several years been a leader in helping refugees resettle. and there is also a court case pending now of refugee agencies who disagreed with trump's decision last fall to allow states to opt in or opt out of it. >> what's next? >> we'll have to wait and see what the court says.

but for now, that seems to be the status quo. it looks like texas and its agencies, you know, won't be -- will have to figure out what to do now that texas has decided that it's not going to be participating in this program. you know, one of the things he mentioned in the letter was the high number of border crossings. texas has been really a big player in that. san antonio, where i'm from, has had over 32,000 miimmigrants wh arrived at the bus station. most immigrants asylum seekers went to other cities and other states across the country. they actually didn't stay in san antonio. >> what are refugees saying to you? >> i haven't spoken to any refugees recently, but i would imagine a lot of refugees that come to the united states, they are looking for family members and community members that they already know are here waiting for them.

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moines, iowa, wearing a hat in 5" snow. yesterday she was in texas. always moving. tell us about this back and forth. you had an opportunity to speak with one of these two, if not both. >> yeah, richard. things are heating up between them, not so much for us out here in the cold. we've seen elizabeth warren and bernie sanders really have a detente throughout the primary election. we've seen them march in lock step on the key issues like health care and how they would deal with student loan debts. today we're seeing things spill over. i'm going to give you the play by play of how this happened. last night "politico" put out a story that bernie sanders campaign in their door knocking packets have something in there about not being able to bring new parts of the base into the tent. everyone that supports her is already going to vote democrat and someone like sanders can bring in other people. that's the sanders argument. listen to what elizabeth warren said when i asked her about that.

senator warren there's reporting from my colleague in "politico" this morning about the bernie sanders campaign and the way they are talking about you at the doors here in iowa, basically saying your voters are people who will vote democrat anyway, that you don't bring new bases into the democratic tent.? >> i was disappointed to hear that bernie is sending his volunteers out to trash me. bernie knows me and has known me for a long time. democrats need to unite our party. and that means pulling in all parts of the democratic coalition. >> reporter: and, richard, that's not typically the reaction that i get from elizabeth warren when i ask her to respond to something about senator bernie sanders. but now he is responding just a little bit ago. listen to what he said. >> i got to tell you i think this is a little media blowup that kind of wants conflict. elizabeth warren is a very good friend of mine. we have worked together in the senate for years. elizabeth warren and i will

continue to work together. we will debate the issues. no one is going to trash elizabeth. >> but why is your campaign -- >> what? >> your campaign has trashed -- >> we have hundreds of employees. elizabeth warren has hundreds of employees. and people sometimes say things that they shouldn't. you have heard me give many speeches. have i ever said one negative thing about elizabeth warren? >> reporter: and, look, richard, bernie sanders clearly now trying to quell this dust up a little bit. but we're going to see how it manifests on the debate stage tuesday night. we have seen in the past these candidates not go at each other on those stages. it's going to be interesting to see if that holds this week. but i think the larger thing here is this whole argument started over a question of who is the most electable. it's been the buzzword of this entire primary election. it seems to be still the main factor as we head into the last 20-ish days before people actually have to make a decision on caucus night, february 3rd. >> and on the leadup to tuesday

in that debate that you're talking about, one of the differences this time around will certainly be international affairs based on what has happened in the last week. stick around if you can for two seconds, just the background obviously what we're talking about here is iran and the united states as that dust-up continues to flare up foreign policy at the forefront. and certainly we'll be asked during the debate the first time this year potentially six candidates, joe biden, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, pete buttigieg, amy klobuchar, and tom steyer, they are going to be on the stage in two days and when they look at the issue of foreign policy, here are some of the headlines that you might see beside each and every one of their messages. biden served as vice president for two terms, a former chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. senate serves as a committee committee member on the veterans affairs. klobuchar is on the senate judiciary committee. and steyer is an international business dealmaker/businessman.

joining us now to the conversation former deputy assistant secretary of state and former spokesman for hillary clinton, philippe. who will do well here outside of vice president joe biden in this question of age fairs? >> well, you know, it's actually kind of a double-edged sword because, as you have seen, particularly for mayor buttigieg, he has been using joe biden's decades of experience on foreign policy against him, as has even more so bernie sanders saying you got iraq wrong, you got the worst vote of all time putting american soldiers at war in iraq. so your experience doesn't do anything. i would posit though that there is a sort of strange flipside to this, which is that 34 weeks ago, we were talking every day about medicare for all and elizabeth warren, her answer about paying for it was not great.

i am not walking around in iowa or new hampshire with my furry collar and wool hat. so maybe they are still talking about medicare for all. but that actually helps elizabeth warren to some extent. and the last thing i would say is what happened with iran isn't over. what happened with iran. we have now put ourselves in a situation where iran, at any given moment, i mean before your show is even before, they could retaliate. this is going to be an issue that is with us until february 3rd, until february 11th, until the convention, until the general election. so, it really has changed the dynamic, and it's very hard to say. but at first blush, you would think it helps the older candidates. >> and even january 14th, just to look straight ahead. and, ali, as we look at the line graph that shows where iowa polling has gone, which you have been watching on the ground as an nbc news road warrior, it has been -- it has seen a lot of flunktation over time, that which we show here.

and when you see that sort of movement, the question might be come this tuesday, and i want to move to something else, and that is those who are below 15%, if you add up all those in that latest des moines register poll, below 15, you got 40 percentage points there that are up for grabs. if you total up all those folks under 15, where might they go, ali? >> reporter: well, richard, it's why when i'm running around here in my little wool hat, as philippe says, i am looking to hear what voters are saying not just about the candidate whose rally i'm at but who their second choice might be. that becomes important when you think about someone like amy klobuchar, for example, there is a lot of ink that's been spilled over the idea that she is having a surge and getting a little bit of momentum here on the ground. in the polls we have seen her tick up slightly. but she's definitely nowhere near that 15%. when it comes into play being a

second choice, though, she's a second choice to people who say they might like joe biden or pete buttigieg, they are all sort of running in that moderate lane. for her, she's not at that threshold yet. so i think the people who might have her as their first choice, what their second choice is becomes interesting. and i have to say the first choice/second choice dichotomy doesn't always play out the way you assume it does. there are biden voters who have elizabeth warren as their second choice. it doesn't always necessarily break down within the same lane either. so that's something to pay attention to as well. >> philippe reines, ali vitali thank you so much. thanks for joining us. it's been quite a sunday. thanks for being here with us this full hour. have a good day. he years. he years. but what i do count on is boost high protein. and now, introducing new boost mobility with collagen for joint health. when taken daily, its key nutrients help support joints,

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♪ good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." on tonight's show, easy as pie. joe biden and bernie sanders sit atop most 2020 polls. but today the sanders' campaign argues that when black voters look at the resumes of both men, they shouldn't have to think twice. later, national co-chair for the sanders' campaign, nina