my thanks to heidi, matt and betsy. that will do it for deadline white house. meet the press daily with chuck todd starts right now. well, welcome to tuesday, it is "meet the press daily." good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. your news and analysis of the day. we're on the brink of the third impeachment trial in the history of the country. the trial will begin without witnesses, although mcconnell appears to be facing some added pressure from within his own

caucus to call witnesses later in the trial. we'll have much more on that. this comes after the speaker announce announced she would send the papers over tomorrow. the democrats case or the house of representatives case. president interrupt was abusing his power with his efforts to pressure the ukraine. and as democrats prep their case, there's now new reporting that russia has hacked barissma. according to a support by experts, the same russian spy agency, that hacked into the clinton campaign. that is a fact, that is not fake news. it's a documented fact by this

federal government. both trump and obama administrations at this point. that hacked into the clinton campaign in 2016, have used the same techniques to hack into burisma. . for democrats, still shaken by the dnc and hillary clinton hacks of 2016, this is the beginning of what is bringing back some very bad memories. pelosi called for a briefing about what the administration knows on this specific attack. we're starting to see the methodical process to begin this trial. but in the backdrop is this new information. it's a new hack based on what we're in the center of, it's a bit disconcerting, it seems as if the federal government isn't

being responsive here. what -- is there a lot of reaction on capitol hill. and if not, why not? >> i think there's too many other things swirling around on this right now, chuck. the impeachment drama is about to take over absolutely everything here on capitol hill. almost immediately. and i think it's going to surprise people the degree of formality and the gravity to it, i think is going to recapture a lot of attention and momentum that's been lost over the holidays. the idea of the chief justice sitting in the chair, all the senators sworn in and in their seats after the clinton impeachment, a lot of senators involved in that wrote it was surprising to them the degree of gravity, the degree of focus that was required here, i think we're starting to see all that churn back up here, as both chambers get ready to make this a full time job. they're gone next week, the senate impeachment trial will be the political event in

washington, d.c.. not just next week, but for the foreseeable future. >> what kind of hints have you gotten on the house managers. two of the committee chairs adam schiff and jerry nadler, do we know how many there will be? if i'm not mistaken there was more than a dozen 20 years ago, with the clinton impeachment. how many house managers are they contempla contemplating. >> well, look, schiff presented in the house democrats caucus meeting about the outlines of a senate trial. he's involved in this whole process, you wouldn't make money in vegas betting on adam schiff being a campaign manager. likewise, jerry nadler has handled this process, the judiciary committee chairman was part of the process for the clinton impeachment. there's been some talk among democrats that that 13 number was too big. a lot of the impeachment managers thought that number was

unwieldy even at that time. i suspect we're going to see a smaller group, the clinton group was all white men. i think there's a zero percent chance that that will be the case among the impeachment managers that nancy pelosi decides to select. she's talked for weeks about trying to taylor the selection of managers to the arena, we know now what that means. you are going to earn the opportunity to question witnesses. she needs folks who can make the argument publicly and make the argument that will impress the senators. it's not guaranteed they're going to get to call witnesses. the communication skill is less important than that clear concise communication skill. and a seriousness that will appeal to senators who generally tend to hate anything that has to do with the house. >> that is a fair point. >> i suppose that's -- >> one of the few things that sometimes crosses partisan lines. i say sometimes. garrett haake starting us off.

joined now by chris coons of delaware. nice to see you sir. >> thank you. >> i want to get you to respond to mitch mcconnell from this afternoon, and it's this idea on the issue of witnesses, here's his statement, you're going to hear it in your ear, and i want to get you to react to it on the other side. >> some in your conference have suggested if democrats are calling witnesses like john bolton, they may also want to call witnesses such as hunter biden. would you support calling hunter biden? >> i think we'll be dealing with the witness issue at the appropriate time into the trial. i think it's certainly appropriate to point out that both sides would want to call witnesses that they wanted to hear from. when you get to that issue. i can't imagine that only the witnesses that are democratic colleagues would want to call would be called. >> senator coons, what's your best understanding of how this is going to work.

>> i'm less -- i'm a bit more confused now than i was before senator mcconnell spoke. >> there's a tension between president trump who wants the senate republican majority to dismiss this trial out of hand at the beginning. those in the republican caucus who are willing to stand up for a actual trial, and what i think will likely happen, which is a fairly abbreviated trial, where we don't have new witnesses or new evidence introduced. just a simple guideline i've been following and thinking about this. trials have witnesses, cover-ups don't. flr a number of critical witnesses who are relevant, who are timely, who were in the room for conversations with president trump about his order to withhold aid from u crane, who would be constructive to getting to the bottom of it that should be our purpose. the question that was just addressed there, to majority

leader mccongress el. should hunter biden testify. i can't think of a reason he's a credible witness. everyone has said there's nothing there. in we're going to have witnesses, they should be rel vangt. they should help shed light on what happened in the trump white house. and i'm concerned we're not going to get that from what we're hearing so far from majority lead her mcconnell. >> do you believe this is about not having witnesses, this is about creating a majority that says, we don't want the hunter biden spectacle, so let's have no witnesses. >> it's a distraction, it's a threat to create a circus. the idea here is that they'll call hunter biden, we'll call rudy giuliani, and we'll have a steady cascade of characters who are not serious. giuliani was relevant. is the attorney for the president. i agree with you that the idea

that there will be a spectacle on the floor of the senate is dissuading some from considering witnesses at all. >> do you believe there's this story line out there that says, well, the president wants quick dismissal. he doesn't have the votes for that. but do you feel like this is a bit of rope adope, where this is a public. it looks like it's public but it's a way to allow martha mcsally to say, well, they wanted to fully dismiss it, we at least fought to get it presented. you know what, no witnesses. ultimately this is all a bit of a dog and pony show between mcconnell, the white house and his attempt to create an appearance that they're not shutting this thing down. at a minimum for those vulnerable republicans. >> that's entirely possible that that's what's happening here. mcconnell is closely attuned to

what he's vulnerable incumbents need, there's a number of republican senators facing very tough re-election fights. i hope that what will happen is as the house managers lay out the facts and the details, that senators who didn't take this that seriously, didn't focus on exactly what evidence was presented in the house will realize that this is a very grave matter. i know that's perhaps seemingly overly optimistic, given how partisan and divided the senate is today. as garrett said in the brief piece just before my interview. senators who serve in the clinton impeachment have told all of us in my caucus that the gravity of it, the seriousness, and the historic nature begins to weigh on you after several days, this is only the third time in our nation's history we have a president facing an impeachment trial. >> we've now discovered russia has hacked, is at it again. >> that's right. >> the company at the center of

this impeachment trial has been hacked by the russian government. burisma does not know what they got. i remember in the spring of '16 when the dnc was hacked and they weren't sure what was had, and a few months later we found it in wiki leaks. what do you do with this during the trial and where is the sense of urgency that it's now, the cal dwer's 2020 and this is happening? >> there's a number of things that should combine to create a sense of real urgency here. president ray testified to the judiciary committee and the director of national intelligence testified to other committees, that russia is determined to interfere with our elections again. they interfered in our 2016 election, they tried hard in our 2018 election. this is the latest evidence of an on going broad spectrum russian effort to pick our

spectrum. that's who they have in mind. i do there there should be a heightened level of concern about not letting vladimir putin pick our next president. i'll never forget when then candidate trump said, russia, if you're listening, they began attacking her email server literally that day. why would we allow our democracy to be undermined by a russian smear campaign. >> very quickly, i want you to answer this political question. why do you believe hillary clinton lost in 2016? >> i think a critical piece of it was that there was the successful creation of the mistaken sense of a real issue around either her emails or benghazi. the frequency with which there were investigations and there was the allegation of some deep

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welcome back. in 2020 vision, it's the final democratic debit in the iowa caucuses. the mistakes can't get much higher. especially for the races leading two progressive candidates. elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. after reports surfaced that warren alleged that sanders told her at a 2018 private meeting a woman could not win the white house. the sanders campaign pushed back on that saying, the two senators got their wired crossed in a conversation about president trump. his campaign manager told nbc news, i believe what we're talking about here is a lie. using the word lie. i thought a woman could win, he disagreed. i have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further, because we have far more in common than our differences on pundittry. our candidates we will look at them closely tonight. on the issue of gender politics,

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about gender in the 2016 election. in a couple hours from now, they're expected to answer for it directly on the debate stage. first joining me now is jeff weaver, senior adviser to the bernie sanders campaign. good to see you, thanks for coming on. >> great to be here as always. >> let me ask this, yesterday you guys went as far as accusing the warren campaign of lying about this incident. when the word lie was used, elizabeth warren came out. how would you characterize this today? >> well, look, i would say this, they had a conversation. he went to her house, he was invited over, she told him she was running for president, they talked about the 2020 race, they clearly have a different recollection about this. some wires got crossed. and both candidates have spoken on this, from what i've heard from their campaign, i think

we're all mostly done talking about it frankly. >> let me ask you this, jeff, how did you go from lie, ludicrous, it was a very angry response yesterday to -- well, maybe there was one -- it just escalated quickly, now that you're trying to de-escalate fast. what do we believe here? >> no, no, no. no. look, senator sanders never said a woman could not win the race in 2020, we're all aware of the difficulty women face for ochsz. misogyny, sexism, hillary clinton beat trump by 3 million votes. how can you say a woman couldn't win for the presidency. what they said was not direct. and what we said is correct, i think based on what i know from their campaign that's where folks want to leave it. >> i think it's fair to say, however anybody wants to describe it, you guys are trying to distinguish yourself from the rest of the field.

elizabeth warren's campaigning thought it was a low blow to call her supporters elitist. do you have any regret about some of the volunteer scripts that are being used to describe bernie sanders opponents? >> there was a volunteer script that was put out, as soon as it came to the top, we pulled it out, that's not being used. it was misrepresented what it was, frankly, it was a script, a response script, if someone said, let's talk about electability for this candidate. let's talk about the relative strikes of the two. as you know, chuck, many voters are interested in this issue of electability. and how we defeat the president of the ugts. they want to talk about the electability of the candidates. it's totally appropriate to have those conversations. >> let me give you two things. give me the electability pitch, what makes bernie sanders more

electable than anyone else in this field about. >> sure, bernie sanders is putting together a multiracial, multigenerational coalition which is going to sweep out of office. he's going to remembbring back that voted for obama and then trump. >> why should the democratic party give the nomination to someone who will not register as a member of the party. >> as you know, in vermont there is no registration. george bush was not a registered republican in -- >> senator sanders said he was going to run for election as a democrat. he chose not to. >> he's running and has pledged

to govern as a democrat. the democratic party has passed a resolution declaring bernie sanders democrat, i think this is a closed question, really. >> all right. jeff weaver, good luck in tonight ace debate, stay safe on the trail, all of those things, i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. >> thank you. now, let me turn to katie porter. co chair of elizabeth warren's campaign. do you take him at his word this is a dustup that got a little quickly too escalated but all is well, nothing to see here, or do you think there's something to have a conversation about. >> the heads line everybody should be focusing on, democrats can beat donald trump. i think that both senator sanders and warren should be laser focuses on that.

i saw this in iowa. lots of different voters turning out to support elizabeth really a great coalition and the level of enthusiasm was very high, that's what's going to beat donald trump, a unity candidate who is committed to building the party and making sure that we're electing democrats up and down the ballot. >> do you feel it's hard to be a unity candidate and at the same time, she did push back hard on the sanders campaign yesterday. you know what? i don't like to have this debate, you're saying i didn't say this. i did say it. does that make it harder to unify the progressive wing? >> elizabeth made clear that what she -- what senator sanders made this statement, none of us were in the room, except the two of them, i think the focus, and what we heard just recently from mr. sanders surrogate is that they both want to be focusing on

moving on. the way we're going to win this election is by keeping our heads down, doing the work of engaging with voters. elizabeth has a broad sweeping anti-corruption campaign that's going to allow her to reach across ideologies and produce that winning turnout to beat donald trump, that's what we should be focusing on as we go into tonight's debate. >> let me ask you this basic question. what do you think is the reason why hillary clinton lost in 2016? >> i'm not going to speculate. what i'm excited about is that so many women and men from across the country won in the house in 2018, i think that's the political moment we're in, and so i -- >> i don't mean to interrupt you here, do you not think it's important for the democratic party to -- i mean, everybody -- you got to figure out why you lost, and i guess what i'm getting at here is, there's a large debate inside the party,

and there isn't an agreement into why she lost. how do you fix the problems to prevent another loss? >> to me, it's very clear that the key to winning this election and most elections for democrats is very high turnout, and very high voter enthusiasm, so i think that's the quality that elizabeth has that i see on the ground. i've made three trips to iowa for her, and i see in each successive trip the enthusiasm building. that's the ingredient people should be looking for. elizabeth is a trail blazing woman. she has a word of standing up and fighting for consumers. i think those are the qualities that people are going to be looking for, and that she is a candidate who's made clear that one of her goals is to unite the party so the democrats not only beat trump, but we keep our majority in the house, we're able to win seats in the senate up and down the ballot. >> one final question.

where senator warren has come down on medicare for all. she wants a little more public buy in before going all in. that's different from what you're a supporter of. do you believe this has been helpful to her campaign, or do you think this medicare for all debate has been harmful? >> when i ran my race, i was a supporter for medicare for all. i did a lot of talking with voters about their concerns. i think elizabeth is trying to give detail so that voters know what to expect and they can have their questions answered. she's put a lot of work into her various policy plans, trying to help voters understand what they could be expecting from her when she's elected president. >> are you concerned there's some that feel as if, she's not all in now, so that's not enough. >> she's made clear she's a strong champion of medicare for all. i think her efforts to detail

exactly how she'd get there are a reflection of her ability to listen. to build plans and to build a campaign that is in partnership with community. and is responsive to the kinds of questions she's getting from voters. thank you for doing this today. thanks for sharing your views and speaking on behalf of the warren campaign. >> thank you. it is debate night in iowa. it's not just warren and sanders on the stage. i'm going to ask our newest political analyst, president obama's 2008 campaign manager david plouffe joins me next. ♪ that's unnecessarily complicated. make ice. making ice.

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welcome back tonight, one of the last chances democratic presidential candidates have a chance to distinguish themselves. joining me now, talking about the state of the race, is someone who knows about democratic primary ppz big part

of 2012 as well, and he's making his debut as nbc news and an msnbc political analyst. that means you are unaffiliated in this democratic primary, completely, right sir? >> i don't know how i'm going to vote for you in march. i have to figure it out by then. >> have the ballots grown out yet? >> not yet. >> i want to get on the nuts and bolts of this campaign. walk us through this -- you had one final debate in iowa, this debate unlike all the other debates we've had, what makes it different when you know it's your final conversation before the voters, especially given the weirdness of the impeachment trial and all of that, walk us through the importance of tonight. >> well, i think it's the most important debate so far. it's going to be pretty busy with the impeachment trial, and you're going to over index in

terms of audience and interest in iowa. you've got to really take advantage of this unless someone really dominates or has a breakout night or a horrible night. this debate may not have as big an impact as how people are campaigning this week. you would want to treat this like you would a general election debate. you want to go all in. that doesn't necessarily mean you have to take out a flame thrower. every answer can't be, did i get a good answer to that question, what's my strategy, am i trying to separate from someone, the rest of the field? that's what i'll be looking for tonight. who had the clearest strategy and who executed on it. >> what's your sense -- nords to understand what they're trying to do tonight. you have to get a sense of, what is the anxiety that the with a where caucus goer has right now. if you believe all of our press reports, is that it is the electability question, and in

the eye of the beholder and it's completely subjective, which obviously gets us to this debate. all of this is subjective, all of it is in the eye of the beholder, how do you address that tonight without alienating people at the same time. >> 2004, john kerry won that caucus. even in that race, electability was front and center. i would not wait to get the question, i would make the most empassed case about why i'm the person to beat donald trump. i don't think you can be gentle about that, you may annoy some people. this is going to drive a lot of vote, if you listen to the most recent polls, up to 60% of the iowa caucus electorate is undecided or open to switching. i think health care, the economy, foreign policy, you know, every voter's different, what's the one thing that's going to drive iowa, i would

argue new hampshire after that, will be, who closes with momentum, largely because they've convinced enough iowa ans that they are the most electable candidate. >> so what would you have done -- could braham have won the iowa caucuses if the final two weeks of the campaign. who would have won the '08 caucuses. if they had to sit in the senate trial for the final two weeks and couldn't campaign. would that have handed the caucuses to john edwards? how important is it for you not to be there for two weeks. >> we ended up winning by eight points not one or two. all those candidates are going to try to come on to msnbc and town halls, it's not the same. in iowa, even if the turnout goes high, in those closing two to three weeks, you're going to

see thousands of people, if not tens of thousands of people. all you can do if you're one of the senators, how do i try to basically do my best to get in front of people, but you're at a huge disadvantage, that's an advantage to biden, to mayor pete, to andrew yang. seeing people as they're making. that's the other thing, people are making the decisions right now, a lot of people will make a decision at an event. i've seen them all, i'm going to choose my candidate based on what i saw, if you're seeing fewer people, i do think it's a challenge. nothing they can do about it, but it is a disadvantage. >> one of the most interesting things we saw in yesterday's monday moth poll. there's a lot of -- the best pollsters have a hard time doing iowa, they found a fascinating stat. elizabeth warren was the top second choice overall. because most of her second choice supporters are with viable candidates, biden, buttigieg or bernie.

she didn't benefit from a realignment from people that weren't viable. and it puts her in an awkward position, and it looks like you'd rather beat biden or buttigieg. how do you gauge iowa now in these last -- is it all about finding out where the klobuchar yang voters are going? >> it's different this time. you're going to have the raw vote released of who attended and who supported before you get the reallocation. it's possible you could have someone that says i won. someone showed up for me. and someone else says i won. i don't love that as a democrat or a student of political history, so that's so important having been through this before is as you're talking to voters and we've seen phone scripts in the news, why? because they're important. there's a lot of voters that are undecided. if my candidate is not viable, you want to make the case to them, i think understanding how those chips may fall is going to

be incredible. this may come down to, who's more viable in enough precincts. who's deep in all 99 counties and all the precincts in those bigger counties. and that's the math they need to be involved in now. >> what are we looking at? '04, '08? >> who won? >> no, i'm talking about where we are at this point. there were two or three people that could have won iowa. three weeks later, john kerry is the presumptive nominee. what is the likelihood of that scenario or is it just ma mathematically impossible because of how the rules are, this things headed to milwaukee. >> i will say this, a scenario where joe biden wins south carolina, that means he will have done well enough in iowa, new hampshire to have the opportunity to do that.

at that point, he's sitting in the driver's seat. even if -- i don't think someone's likely to get a majority of pledge delegates like kerry did, but we will have a clear plurality leader. when most of the country will have voted. now there's a scenario where if biden doesn't win south carolina, which means then bloomberg is staying in and spending a lot of money. yeah, then you could have a jump where you have 12 people in the 20s. it's too high for my opinion. but history suggests that someone's going to get some momentum. i think what's interesting about this race is, you're going to have candidates that could go all the way to june. huge grassroots, who can raise all the money that can stay in. at that point, people do what folks have not done, and say, i'm going to get out for the good of the party, i hope they do, and if not, we could be heading to milwaukee or deep --

>> let me ask you this one last question. do you believe the democratic party can nominate anybody that is not the leading delegate person going into milwaukee? >> no. >> the person who leads, if it's by one delegate. the person in the lead even if it's not a majority, ends up the nominee. >> if they were to overturn, that could echo negatively for our party for decades. no, if you are the pledged delegate leader, you will be the nominee. i think it's inconceivable that the party members, super delegates would overturn the will of the voters. >> that's my hunch too. it's going to be fun to have you on this side to watch this, we will see you in iowa and at this table very soon. coming up, moments ago, the house committee sent more evidence to the senate, including a handwritten note

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know what else to call them. joining me now, leann caldwell. kimberly atkins. former adviser to bush and steele. leann let me start with you, put up these memos. the democrats have sent over new evidence including some interesting memos from lev parness that includes some tantalizing quotes. will this be something senators see in the presentation. >> one of these notes say get zelensky to announce the biden case will be investigates, that is what is at the core of all of this anyway. not the actual investigation, but the announcement that there's an investigation. that's why democrats say that is an attempt to damage the president's -- >> it says announce on the thing. >> this is something that

democrats have been honing in on for three months now, and that is going to be a big deal. in the bigger picture, this helps nancy pelosi prove a point that holding on to these articles of impeachment was a good thing. more evidence has come out. she was able to sends more evidence after they completed their own investigation is going to play into their argument that that's why you have to have witnesses, have more documents and open up this case. >> he doesn't think there should be witnesses, he doesn't want to trial after the presentations, he knows that 51 senators can force that, if information like this changes the minds of a handful of senators, we will have witnesses in the trial in the senate. >> i don't buy that we're going to see witnesses. >> it feels like they're creating the conditions to avoid

witnesses, but at least look like they contemplated it. >> i don't know. no one knows what's going to happen. i don't see how it's politically feasible not to have evidence that continues to come in. considering you have john bolton who announced very loud reply he's willing to come in and at least a handful of republican who's are saying they would like to hear from these witnesses. i don't think it will lead the a different outcome. i think an acquittal is all but certain. i think not bringing in witnesses at this point will make it look like an unfair trial and i don't think those handful will want that to happen. >> tackle this for me more. what does democratic base want to see democratic senators do here? that makes sense. if acquittal is certain, fine. but will there be, i've always felt as if not doing anything is problematic, too. what do the democrats have to look like they're doing in this trial to make sure the base doesn't revolt? >> i think they want to make

sure the process is as fair as possible. and mitch mcconnell is in charge of the senate. chuck schumer has to do his diligence to make sure democrats' voices are represented. which is why the 51 votes is so critical on a number of elements including of course the witnesses. by the way, those votes, every single republican, the way they vote will be on the record. that's something that democrats can use in their elections. and it is something we can do to he show how much transparency there is. we showed the majority of americans do not want to see this process that totally rammed through without questioning witnesses. without a fair trial. so i think those are all considerations that mitch mcconnell is taking in. >> it is interesting that you're so certain that we'll have witnesses because of john bolten and perhaps this. you guys tell me, if there are 51 votes, there are 51 votes for witnesses that democrats let's are beyond the pale including

biden. >> there are two questions. the quest process. republicans like lamar alexander, susan collins, mitt romney. they want a vote on witnesses because of the process other. than mitt romney who has said he would like the hear from bolton, they haven't said they want to hear from witnesses. it will come in a couple weeks. that it is a catch 22 on witnesses. republicans won't allow just democratic witnesses. it will be, they'll want to hear who the president wants to hear. >> it will be a tit for tat. if you hit one, there is an -- >> an element of mutual destruction. >> i can picture lamar alexander saying, yeah, i want to hear from john bolton. >> that's why i think senator mcconnell is smart to keep the possibility alive and keep

moving the process forward. at the end of the day, i think you're right. i don't think we'll see witnesses in the senate trial just because of that element. >> there's a part of me saying, you want to call biden? like i think the biden decision is riskier for the republicans than for the democrats. >> i agree. what i said is, i don't see how mitch mcconnell can say this is fair process without wanting to have the witnesses present. i agree. the outcome will be the same. >> it reminds me of the cavanagh confirmation. where they open up the little teeny tiny fbi investigation. they have that process there and then they voted how they would have voted. i think that is what will happen. >> there's a fairness element. if they have to be back in washington rather than iowa, maybe they ought to be there too. >> i want to get your reaction first to the warren-sanders

dust-up. you were a campaign person. they had very strong feelings about standers campaign from '16. not sanders the individual but the campaign. i throw that caveat out there. what do you make of this? >> well, a couple things. i think this is to an extent, elizabeth warren doing damage. the people supporting her, women supporters across the board, pretty riled up. it wasn't police the bernie sanders making sexist remarks but a lot of his supporters online were. from the broader standpoint, i think this can be potentially risky. if bernie sanders or elizabeth warren becomes the nominee, they need bridge those two groups of supporters. they have to have those two groups coalesce. hopefully we'll see a truce. >> it does feel as if both,

they're holding kriyptonite. kit blow them both up. the more they fight each other, the more it helps. >> this is a long time coming. >> yeah. and i don't think it is over. >> not only the tension between warren and sanders but the gender perspective. this is something bubbling up. >> can i say something she brought up? clinton's veterans in particular. i want to speak for, i know i hear this. they've left a scar. there's scar tissue here. >> so this is not surprising. and while i'm a little smocked this is the form that it took, the gender component is like i said, a long time coming. we'll see how they deal with

this. but it made the debate much more interesting. >> a reminder how the two sides are very different. >> very different. >> although, i'm looking at the democratic stage, i am reminded of the two latino senators, the african-american in the republican debates fairly close to the end. >> fair enough. i'll leave it there. thank you all. we'll be right back. bap

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. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more meet the press daily. >> we've got the memo. we'll get deep into it. >> can you let joe and victoria know? >> yeah. always interesting to see the details. thank you, chuck. we join you tonight on this edition of "the beat" on the political trial of the era. speaker pelosi will set the trial to start one greek today. moments ago, there was a review of this. it hooks in rudolph giuliani in a big way. we're seeing some new crack business republican about how to put trump on trial. and later,