democratic debate number seven, six candidates on one stage in the final showdown before the iowa caucuses. >> big parts of the democratic constituency, we need a candidate who will excite all parts of the democratic party, bring everyone in and give everyone a democrat to believe in. that's my plan, and that is why i'm going to win. >> we've got to move past a washington mentality that suggests that the bigness of plans only consistences of how many trillions of dollars they put through the treasury. >> i would declare a state of

emergency on day one on climate. >> looming over it all the impeachment of donald trump. >> there's no choice but for nancy pelosi in the house to move. he has in fact committed impeachable offenses. >> and heightened tensions with iran. >> the american people are sick and tired of endless wars which have cost us trillions of dollars. >> msnbc's live coverage of decision 2020 starts right now. welcome to msnbc's special post debate coverage. i'm joy reid. tonight six democratic candidates met in iowa for the final debate before the first major nominating contest in the 2020 presidential election. and we're just 20 days from the iowa caucuses, and in this seventh debate two important and

pretty glaring things were missing. diversity despite being a contest for the democratic nomination of america's diverse political party, the democratic party, which heavily depends on people of color to win elections. despite all that this was an all white debate. also missing donald trump, the impeached president who barely got a mention by the people running to replace him as president. and yet the lack of racial diversity on stage really only came up at the end in the closing statement by senator elizabeth warren. >> i sat here in the break and just made notes about many of the things we didn't get to talk about tonight. how the disability community is struggling for true equality, how gun violence and active shooter drills worry every mother in this country, how children are living in poverty and seeing their life chances shrink, how trans women particularly trans women of color are at risk, black infant mortality, climate change that particularly hits black and

brown communities, people being crushed by student loan debt, farmers barely holding on, people struggling with mental illness. >> warren also had what arguably was actually the only big moment of the debate when she and bernie sanders were confronted with his alleged remark which he disputes making on whether a woman can be elected president of the united states. >> so can a woman beat donald trump? look at the men on this stage. collectively they have lost ten elections. the only people on this stage who have won every single election that they've been in are the women. >> and honestly that was kind of it. so i guess the question is will tonight's civics night at the local democratic debate change any minds? joining me now to discuss how it all went down our chief political affairs officer from move on.org, david jolly, joel pain, democratic strategist and

jason johnson, politics editor at the root.com and msnbc political contributor. i always go ladies first but in this case black women are the core of the democratic party. it is weird for me watching a democratic debate where black women were not there other than the one moderator. but it's strange to watch a party that's utterly dependent on black and brown voters hold that debate tonight. >> and we started off with the most diverse, the most candidates in the primary and it was not represented at all on the stage. and it's problematic. this is something that the democratic party has to deal with. i think there's blame to go around as who wii we don't have julian castro on the stage, why we don't have kamala harris, why we don't have cory booker. that is incredibly problematic especially before we could even

have the first contest. we haven't even had the first contest and they're all gone. like you said it's the base, black women, african-american community, black community is the base of our -- of the democratic party. >> and black women means the base of the base. >> in particular black women and you do not see the diversity. and the worry that i have is as you go into the general election, as we really move further closer to november, you have to energize the base. you've got to get the base excited. and how do we do that if you do not have a presentation of more diversity for people to choose from, get excited about? >> you're going to be stuck in that position because i don't understand how the democratic party can do another election like this, to be blunt. yes, there have to be criteria and rules. the idea you have to raise "x"

amount of dollars. bloomberg isn't there where and he's polling higher than some other candidates on that stage. and you have a situation where people of color, younger people they don't pick up a pone. i don't pick up my phone if it rings and i don't know who it is. polling isn't finding a necessarily legitimate way to find out what the democratic party wants. is this a viable system to find the democratic nominee who then has to appeal to black and brown voters? >> well, it's a work in progress. remember this system is attempted to be an improvement what we had in 2016 where there were a lot of folks who particularly supported bernie sanders who thought it wasn't a fair system. it's an evolutionary system. i think the subtext here that's disappointing is the fact you've got a candidate like tom steyer on stage who acquitted himself pretty good tonight but when you think of the fact he had to

spend probably some $70 million to generate 15% of the vote in south carolina and anyone who's in south carolina will tell you that's due to the fact he's dominated the air waves. that's something kamala harris couldn't do, something cory booker couldn't do because they didn't have that mass of wealth that they could dump into a marketplace like that. so i think it is a complicated issue. look, the democrats have certainly not historically at least recent history have not been hostile to either women candidates or people of color. look at our last two nominees, hillary clinton and barack obama. but there is something at the core level that democrats have to make sure that they are being reflective of the mass diversity of the party, which, you know, what karine said and what you said was correct wasn't represented in the debate. >> tom steyer talked about 12

minutes, 26 seconds tonight. the most talk time was actually elizabeth warren who i would argue is the only person and correct me if i'm wrong if you agree with this our political scientist friend jason, elizabeth warren was the only person who said anything memorable. it was hard for us as producers, we have a list here of sound bites we want to play. it was hard to come up with anything else other than elizabeth warren making that remark other than the two women on the stage having won all their races in the last ten years. >> joy, so the person who spoke most elizabeth warren and tom steyer, they're the perfect contrast. tom steyer is essentially the guy who spent a lot of money at the concert to sit up front. he spends $11 million to basically get on this stage and doesn't get to talk much because he didn't have much to say that was all that compelling. flip side, elizabeth warren is number one on the stage and yes she had her sort of exchange with bernie sanders.

i was impressed at the end. her list of things that should have been talked about during the debate was the most compelling. but for the most part and we've said this before, i don't think this debate changed the needle for anybody. i don't think there's one person who got a new voter in iowa after this debate especially since they spent no time talking about what's actually going on in iowa. >> you also forgot, jason, you've got to take care of your chicken. don't misquote marshawn because he might get written in on my ballot, i'm just saying. let me get you in here, david, because there's two things democrats have to do in order to beat donald trump. thing one, they have to turn out the base of the party, which looks a lot more like this panel than that debate stage tonight. let's be blunt, that did not look like the democratic party tonight. are there people out there like you, and by the way the party is more focused on the people like

you who they think they can pull over, people who who would normally be a republican but who are open voting for a democrat depending on who it is. did anybody tonight make the case to the you voter, who is republican but would be open to a democrat if, dot dot dot? >> there are two points that are inflection points and identifying a candidate is we are a week or two at the major national security moment at the hands of donald trump. and that was important whether it was dramatic or not they tried to establish they can handle those moments the other frankly when amy klobuchar pointed out for the nation not even the entire democratic caucus and senate is supportive of medicare for all. that's an inflection point for democrats. are we going to go big in that moment or not? to your question, i am becoming less and less of the opinion this should be a persuasion election. i think it's a turn out

election, and that means turning out the people that you started this show talking about. and i will say this as a white person to other white person who say why does diversity matter if the policies are all the same? having lived a political life for 25 years, it matters because thea th the authenticity of life experience, of communities of color is experienced in a different way that informs the leadership opportunities for people of color to make better decisions on behalf of the entire nation. and when it's not reflected thin party i think that's the concern karine was speaking about. you have the energize people. >> you know that because you had to run for election in florida. it's florida it's a diverse state where you have to build a coalition even on the republican side that is somewhat multiracial because you have a lot of latino conservatives there. most of the black republicans i

know are from florida. that's the place where they are in a fairly large number of republicans. so i mean isn't it a problem then for the democratic party to start its process in a state like iowa? my sister was born in iowa. there's some black people there. maybe now she's left maybe there aren't anymore, but there were at least when she was born. >> i think florida should be first because you basically have five different states in one. i know jason is going to make the case for georgia. but you are right, iowa and new hampshire may have had their time as the perfect place for a first in the nation caucus or primary. it does not represent the diversity of the nation now. >> at all. >> and importantly, given the importance of early primary states and their ability to knock out otherwise competitive candidates, let them try to perform in a diverse state, a hypercompetitive state right out of the gate. >> or in a bunch of states all

at once. on the point of trying to establish their national security here are the candidates talking about something that isn't recent national security issue. it's the iraq war. take a listen. >> i said 13 years ago it was a mistake to give the president the authority to go to war if in fact he couldn't get inspectors into iraq to stop what was thought to be the attempt to get a nuclear weapon. it was a mistake, and i acknowledge that. >> joe and i listened to what dick cheney and george bush they had to say and i thought they were lying. i did everything i could to prevent that war. joe saw it differently. >> i will look at my position on the iraq war first. i wasn't in the senate for that vote, but i opposed that war from the very beginning. >> i bring a different perspective. there are enlisted people that i

served with barely old enough to remember those votes on the authorization after 9/11, on the war in iraq. and there are people now old enough to enlist who were not alive for some of those debates. >> you know, the candidate we worked for in '08, barack obama, the war and his decision on the war versus hillary clinton's was one of the big reasons that some of us supported him. >> one of the things you said, david, was that it started off -- the debate started off talking about foreign policy because you're not just president. you're also commander in chief. so when you have a current president, donald trump, who is on the verge seemingly to take us into war, i think it is important to remind people to have that conversation. hey, how did we get into the situation in the region in the first place, right, and you

think about iraq and people have made similarities to where wee now with what happened with iraq. so i think it's really important because people are thinking about that. that is still on the minds of many voters of where we are currently and what could potentially be happening. so i think it is a very important conversation, and we also saw what we -- we saw that being telegraphed by bernie sanders probably like a week ago, that he was leaning in going after biden, so it wasn't all that surprising to see it play out. and then it gives pete buttigieg an opportunity who's the only veteran on stage. so i think it's an important conversation to have because of the very important moment that we're in that donald trump has sent us down. >> yeah, at least it was an opportunity to sort of set people -- you know, their sort of stage where they are on the use of national force other than the question about would you let iran get a nuclear weapon? what are they going to say? yeah, i'd let them get one. what was that about anyway?

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anybody knows me knows that it's incomprehensible that i would think that a woman could not be president of the united states. >> this question of whether or not a woman can be president has been raised and it's time for us to attack it head on. and i think the best way to talk about who can win is by looking at peoples' winning record. so can a woman beat donald trump? look at the men on this stage. collectively they have lost ten elections. the only people on this stage who have won every single election that they've been in are the women, amy and me. >> well, that was the moment the much anticipated clash between

senators senators bernie sanders and elizabeth warren came to a head. the candidates were asked that sanders told warren in 2018 that a woman could not win the presidency. sanders against flatly denied he ever said, saying no one believes a woman could not be president especially after hillary clinton won the popular vote in 2016. but elizabeth warren's face though while she waited to sbnd. and there was this moment captured by cameras after the debate with what sure looked like tom steyer playing billion dollar referee. i kind of saw you talking about this earlier so i kind of know what you're going to say. what you said earlier on msnbc i think is true. if i had $10 for everyone who said to me this country is never going to elect a woman, it's not like a thing no one says. so it's weird to me sanders is so hard and fast denying that he said it when elizabeth warren,

his friend has said, yeah, he said it. would it have been easier for him to say, listen, i was playing pundit? >> you know, if bernie was ever the kind of guy who would apologize for anything or take responsibility and be a bit different -- this is what i find most compelling and i try not to psychoanalyze candidates too much. but what i saw in elizabeth warren's face is the face of every single woman, every single black person, asian person, every single person who has heard someone say something racist, offensive or sexist, you know you heard it and then to see them deny it in public. and that's what i thought was the most compelling in question. look, either elizabeth warren is lying about what she heard two years ago or bernie sanders is lying. the voters are going to decide when which one is lying and how they think that's important. she was essentially being gas lit by bernie sanders standing up there and saying no, i didn't

say this at all. and that i think is a larger issue how these candidates act together. and not wanting to psychoanalyze, when warren comes over and bernie puts out the hand, you can almost hear her saying you know exactly what you said to me bernie and i'm not going to sit here and pretend you didn't say it and i can't believe you said that in public. >> the thing is as women this is kind of the problem for sanders in this is that these kind of dust ups only hurt you if they play to something that people already low-key think is true. so he's the wag the finger at hillary clinton guy. >> and people remember that. >> and people remember that. it's not like -- it doesn't seem uncharacteristic. so unless he is flat out calling his friend elizabeth warren a liar which he seems to have been doing tonight. >> it was a very interesting moment. look, that moment we saw on stage not at the end buts when

it came up a little question, we all knew that was going to come. everyone was tell graphing it. we knew. it was playing out in the media for the last 48 hours and it happened and they decided how they would answer that question. and what elizabeth warren did is she broadened it and i thought she knocked it out of the park and it was really smart because the whole thing about if a woman can win has been kind of -- it's been something that's been there since 2016. and now finally in this debate leading into iowa, iowa 20, 19 days away, it comes up. and you're right because it's something that people remember and think about. in 2016 bernie versus hillary clinton, potential sexism or there was sexism. and so now it pops up and he doesn't really do a good job answering it. and the thing is one of his

closest friends in the senate, is he calling her a liar? >> his supporters -- there's like a way that it goes which is she didn't really see that, she's just lying, he's the victim. someone posted this on twitter there's a way this goes when women make any kind of -- say that a man did "x," well she's just a bad person, she's a liar or she's emotional about it. well, it's happening to her now. when i was going around the country just talking to people for the election 2016, one of the things that surprised me and i'll put this one to you, david, was young women particularly younger white women who weren't emotionally attached to the idea of having a woman president and weren't attached to hillary clinton being a woman or any woman. they say i'm not voting based on that. only after she lost was there a lot of emotion attached to hillary clinton by a lot of women.

same thing happened with kamala harris when black women were like she's a prosecutor, i'm not into it and then when she was gone, feelings. i wonder if this helps warren because is the most viable woman left. >> perhaps. and you can ask the question there's this lament of diversive lost among the candidate but voters have had the opportunity to express support for diversity and apparently those candidates haven't risen to the top so it does raise a conundrum. look, the important thing for tonight is a woman's already won the popular vote for the presidency. so this debate has already been settled. bernie sanders tonight said he would support any candidate up there who became the nominee, and he would support a woman to be president. he says he didn't say it, elizabeth warren says she did. what we know is the appreciation for diversity and elevation of women in politics rests within the democratic party, not within the republican party. and tonight all six candidates

who were on the stage and those who failed to make the stage stand on those principles in stark contrast to a republican party that has no interest in expanding the diversity of their own ranks over the next decade. the democratic party is the place to be, and they will continue to fight for women. we know that based on past performance and we know that going forward. >> i wonder if in retrospect, you know, if hillary, it does feel like elizabeth warren is running overtly on elect a woman it and that being an overt piece of what she's doing, living through what you did in that previous campaign and the result, do you think it's wise for her to lean into the idea give a woman an opportunity? >> i think it's on brand for elizabeth warren to do that. if you talk to people on and off-the-record from the warren campaign they have not shied away from talking about the historic nature of their candidacy. so i think if it fits with your

brand, go with it. some things i want to point out about this. one, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders here, it's interesting. why is warren doing this now? and when i say doing this i'm talking very clearly about that political story which is obviously something her side put out. i'm not saying they shouldn't have put it out, i'm just saying it's clearly something they put out. they're doing that because they're struggling in the polls and they need something to give a jolt to their side and also an excuse for her to create some space between her and bernie sanders. why is it happening now? the second thing is i'd like for bernie sanders to really lean into that partnership with aoc in the coming days to start to give him some cover here. she is his strongest most notable most well-known female supporter, female surrogate out there and think bernie sanders is really going to lean on her a lot in the coming days to give her the important validation we need to push back on this.

>> let's not forget that the political story came after a script was put out by the sanders campaign that made it look like elizabeth warren was the candidate -- >> i'm not sure they put that forward. >> but it was a script they had. that came out. it wasn't like the warren campaign launched an attack on sanders for no reason. it was the second thing that happened. >> joy, i would just really just say i get the sense that actually the warren people might have put that out, too. i think they were looking for an excuse -- i'm serious. i think they were looking for an excuse to create some space between themselves and bernie sanders. >> all i have to say is all our mentions on twitter are about to be lit and -- >> i'm used to it. elizabeth warren is the only person in the top four who's basely had to do confew karate against the left and right. she's gotten attacked by mayor pete and by surrogates of bernie sanders. so when she finally responds i

don't know anyone can say this was planned and this is scheme. everyone else has been going after her. >> because she's a woman and whenever she speaks loudly she's angry and it's not friendly and she's not smiling. smile all the time, ladies. be friendly. feeling friendly? >> so friendly. stay with us. up next -- keep smiling. we're all waiting for basically what took 90 minutes to get there. impeachment. smiling. >> nancy pelosi and the house to prove. he has in fact committed impeachable offenses. whether the senate makes that judgment or not is for them to decide, so it doesn't really matter whether or not he's gone after me. i've got to be in a position, i can't hold a grudge. i have to be not only able to fight but also heal.

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with thhat that impeachment is going to show once again to the american people and something we should all be talking about is the corruption of this administration. that's what lies that heartit ig donald trump first. >> this is decency check on our government.

this is a patriotism check. not only is this trial that -- >> thank you. >> but also this election. >> the impeachment of donald trump the first ever of a first term president didn't come up until roughly an hour and a half into tonight's debate. despite the fact house speaker nancy pelosi announced on tuesday that the house will vote later today, wednesday on a resolution to transfer articles to the senate. that will clear away for a trial to begin next tuesday according to senate majority leader mcconnell. move on.org chief political affairs officer and contributor karin jean-pierre and jason shaw. let's start with joe biden because republicans seeming to indicate if witnesses get called for reason joe biden gets railed into a reason to testify here is

joe biden. >> if you're the nominee is it going to be harder to run against president trump if he's acquitted and able to claim vindication after what he said about your family? >> it's irrelevant. there's no choice but to nancy pelosi and the house to move. he has in fact committed impeachable offenses. whether the senate makes that judgment or not it's for them to decide. and so it doesn't really matter whether or not he's gone after me. i've got to be in a position that i think about the american people. i can't hold a grudge. i have to be able to not only fight but also heal. and as president of the united states that's what i will attempt to do. >> you know, jonathan, the attacks on joe biden's family have been so deeply personal against his one remaining son. and for him to say i can't hold a grudge, i have to be able to not only fight but heal, i don't understand that answer. do you? >> no, i thought that was a really bad answer. he didn't have that bad of a

debate and he very well might be the nominee but you've got to prosecute the case against trump. you can't win if you don't have your foot on his neck all the way from now until november. look, if this becomes a choice between, you know, a socialist democrat and a president with a good economy, trump wins. it has to be a ref repdm on a criminal president. the whole election in some ways has to be about getting rid of trump. if that's the question, democrats have a very good chance. if it's a choice comparative kind of thing, then the economy and these other factors come into play, so this is what's been missing for a lot of these debates. it's also true that iowa voters don't need to be convinced what a bad president trump is. but they do want to know who's the best at prosecuting the case

against him. >> let's go to our republican strategist. did you see in joe biden an opponent ready to take on donald trump? >> i saw someone who was very tired tonight and frankly somebody who missed getting that spotlight on himself. he had a couple of chances to grab it there and i think he missed the mark. he and globe char i think sort of went in knowing there was going to be that warren feud with sanders, and we were a little bit disappointed of course until a handshake gave at the very end. but i was a expecting a bit more from biden and a little bit more jobs. i wanted some humor. i wanted info entertainment tonight but all we got was seemingly info, info, info and i think you tune out in general. i know a lot of republicans felt sort of like how are we going to take more of this? >> and jason, i think the

challenge for joe biden is that in the john kerry election when people questioned his integrity as a warrior what all of us expected him to do was say you're never going to question me when i went into that battle, i fought and put the uniform over there and you were in the national guard over here. and it was kind of shocking he didn't defend himself in a stronger way. i guess that's what i keep waiting for biden to do and he isn't. >> the biggest mistake i see here, and i'm sorry i don't think people are necessarily looking for entertainment. they're looking for someone compel [can deal with climate change what joe biden failed to do which he does from time to time is if he is not the center of attention, he kind of fades in and out. he's kind of like your grandpa that wakes up on the couch when someone scores a touch down, oh,

he's back, he's back. donald trump fears me so much that he got impeached over it, that's your answer, period. that's the only reason that it matters. when he goes wondering into hunter biden and what happened in the past and everything like that, it shows he is taking his eye off the ball. i don't think he hurt himself, but he didn't help himself because that's the only answer you need for impeachment. >> rena's info entertainment line got the tag. i'll tell you who does want entertainment, donald trump. this is reality show to him because his kids aren't in cages, his grandkids aren't going in cagesmism he's not at risk. he can tweet out memes of people in muslim headdress mocking an entire religion of a billion people thinking that's clever. he can do that because he doesn't care. but when impeachment starts what your party, what the republicans want to do is make it a tv show

about joe biden being what they turned hillary clinton into in 2016. so i get to reask you the question when you look at joe biden tonight, does he seem like somebody who's up to the task of fighting what hillary clinton fought in 2016, a mass disinformation campaign about him and his fam tale? >> i think he is up to the task because i think joe biden inevitably has that ability to connect. over and over again he's overcome so much adversity in his life and he talked about being a single daddy when he lost his two family members, his late wife and daughter and i thought that was so very touching but it came completingly. the two women great on stage were the two women in teing their stories. people want stories and i think joe biden will bring that back and become more human. i think the fact trump goes out there and does rallies like he did there tonight in milwaukee, he connects somehow with people. and look, he didn't connect with

me but in my native west virginia when he goes out there and makes it about you, the former coal miner who lost his job, i think he has it in him. but it's a draining process and -- >> you probably know joe biden more than most of us having worked in the obama white house. is he a joe biden who you think in the eight years is ready to fight donald trump? >> joe biden's campaign has an ad out in iowa that is pretty good ad. it's about electability and talks about how basically donald trump is obsessed with him, and that's what i was hoping to have seen, and it lays it out so perfectly in that 30 seconds. and i was surprised. i was surprised he kind of went off and just like jason said i'm living rent free in donald trump's brain. that is exactly what is happening, and he's talking

about electability from before he jumped in, and that's been his main argument. and you don't see him pounding that, pounding that and i think that's the problem, the messaging. where is it? you have it. this impeachment should help him. >> even the corn pop joe biden. he wasn't feisty. i don't know. but we'll see. maybe he was tired. tired not good if you want to be president, though. please stay with me. and up next the candidates tackle major domestic issues like climate change and education. >> i don't want cost ever to be a barrier to someone seeking to attend college. and under my plan, it won't be. but if you're in that top income bracket, don't get me wrong i still wish you help, i hope you succeed when you go to college, and just need you to go ahead and pay that tuition. u to go ah and pay that tuition

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in fewer than 20 days the first votes will be cast in the 20 election in iowa, and the six candidates on the debate stage tonight made their case to appeal to those voters on domestic policy issues explaining their views on things like health care and education and affordable child care and climate change, things that affect americans every day. >> we should fought be one of the few countries that does not have universal high quality affordable child care. we should not be one of the only major countries not to guarantee health care to all people as a human right. >> what should we do about long-term health care, the elephant that doesn't even fit in this room? we need to make it easier for people to get long-term care insurance, to pay premiums. >> as a billionaire should your children have been entitled to free public college? >> no, we're talking a lot about college, but in fact if you talk about the poor peoples campaign

you have to realize that for the youngest kids they are getting an education that's relative to the taxes in their neighborhoods. we need to redistribute money so every kid has a chance so we're not legislating inequality for the next generation and so we actually invest in every single kid, specifically poor kids, specifically black kids, specifically brown kids. >> i have a 2 cent wealth tax so we can cover child care for all of our children and provide universal pre-k for every 3-year-old and 4-year-old in america. >> we can create millions of good paying jobs. we're the only country in the world that's ever taken a great crisis and turned it into great opportunity. and one of the ways to do it is with the farmers here in iowa by making them the first group in the world to get to net zero emissions by paying them for planting and absorbing carbon in their fields. >> there was a kid at one of my events raised his hand and he pointed out he expects to be here in his 90s in the year

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we democrats may argue among each other about the best way to do health care but we're going to be up against a republican incumbent who has cut health care for millions of people and is still trying to do that. i'll take our side of the argument any day. >> all right, our panel is back with us. do you think that warren connected on health care or do you think any of the candidates connected on health care? >> so i think in this debate

warren answered that question on health care the best. i think when you start -- any time you contrast what's going on with donald trump you're winning the argument which is what she did. she's like, yeah, okay we can disagree and we disagree all the time but here's the problem, look what donald trump is doing. and she did something else really interesting. she didn't mention medicare for all at all. she just talked about the policy, she talked about what she's trying to do and i think she actually did a really good job tonight on health care. >> michelle goldberg has talked about the fact she might be the unity candidate because she is sort of moderating herself on health care enough where she's saying, listen, i'm going to do what's possible. >> yank that's right. >> i know you had some thoughts, jonathan, as far as the warren-sanders dust up. >> so on the question can a woman win, people i think know that in 1960 a lot of catholics believed that a catholic could

not be elected president, and then john kennedy made this famous speech in the campaign the issue has surfaced for debate and an awful lot of american catholics thought you know what, we're going to show them that actually a catholic can win. we're going to get over our worries about this catholic nominee and get out and vote for them, which they did. in 2008 a lot of african-americans were concerned will the country vote for an african-american. when obama surfaced the issue in kind of an unusual way with the rev wright speech and some other speeches we thought we're going to show that they can. i don't want to man explain what women are going to do, but i do think we might have had a psychological threshold that we crossed here where a certain number of women who have been worried about whether the country is ready for a woman are going to say you know what we want to show that america is ready and that will help warren and klobuchar.

>> i think that's true. we should make note of the fact it's perhaps progress people are past the idea -- we are past that and people are confident that we have a gay candidate and i think people are past the idea he couldn't be president. people are quite clear they think he could be. so i think we are changing. let's play this buttigieg sound bite really quickly. >> is it possible black voters have gotten to know you and have simply decided to choose another candidate? >> the black voters who know me best are supporting me. the biggest mistake we could make is to take black votes for granted and i never will. the reason i have the support is not because any voter thinks i'm perfect but because of the work we've done facing some of the toughest issues that communities can. >> jason, last thoughts. >> the more they get to know you, pete, the worst you've

done. he can put across all the effort that he wants but if you can't explain basic things like how you went from 26 black police officers when you got into office and only four when you left, you're never going to do well with black voters nationally. >> thank you very much. that wraps up this hour of our special debate coverage. thank you for watching our special coverage, and that coverage does continue after the break. while we get jason johnson some happy pill. he's always so cynical. thank y'all for watching. cynicl thank y'all for watching

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well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 1,090 of the trump administration. 294 days until our 2020 presidential election. the president's impeachment trial will likely start one week from today, tuesday, the 21st. and again tonight we have something of a remarkable split screen. during this evening, during the run-up to the debate and indeed during the debate broadcast, the impeachment case has worsened for donald trump as we are starting to see the contents of the cell phone and files of one lev parnas.