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good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. the impeachment trial rippling through the capital and the voices of those involved echoing on the sunday morning talk shows. >> will there be a fair trial? will the senators allow the house to call witnesses to introduce documents? >> my personal preference would be to see this dismissed out of hand. i think it's an illegitimate process in the house. >> that's the foundational issue on which everything else rests. >> abuse of power so poorly defined here, i don't know how presidents in the future can confirm their conduct. >> our case is simple. the facts are uncontested. the evidence is overwhelming. >> they did not give this president due process. >> the first impeachment in history where there is no allegation of a crime by the president. >> we believe a fair trial involves witnesses, it involves evidence, it involves documents. >> this whole controversy about whether there should be witnesses is a question of does

the senate want to have a fair trial or are they part of the coverup. >> they want to undo the 2016 and the 2020 election, i believe. >> these assaults on the biden family are not relevant to what's at issue in this case. this is an invitation to try to muddle waters. >> i find it curious that chairman nadler called this a rock solid case. if the house isn't prepared to go forward with the evidence that they produced in the impeachment inquiry, maybe they ought to withdraw the articles of impeachment and start over again. >> all the details ahead of this week. our reporters and analysts are joining me now. we begin with the headline, the battle lines are drawn between the president's critics and defenders, just two days before the trial. both sides today laying out their case with force. >> the facts aren't seriously contested. the president withheld hundreds of millions of dollars of military aid to an ally at war

with russia, withheld a white house meeting that the president of ukraine sought in order to force ukraine into helping him cheat in the next election. abuse of power is at the center of what the framers intended an impeachable offense to be. >> the president of the united states is human. he is going to make mistakes of judgment and everything else. they have historically, both parties, both from the beginning of our republic. >> you say it was a mistake but not necessarily impeachable? >> i would say i don't believe, like the professor at this point, that it rises to the standard of an impeachable offense. >> the president's legal team also firing back after house managers filed their brief to the senate outlining a, quote, compelling case against trump. kelly o'donnell is traveling with the president in palm beach, florida, good day to you. give us a sense of what the

defense team's argument is likely to be. >> reporter: the report that the defense filed was a response to the summons sent over by the senate. tomorrow, they will have two deliver their full brief with the legal strategy for how they plan to argue the case at trial. we're in sort of the midway point of this pretrial paperwork from the trump legal defense. eight lawyers who have been announced. others working behind the scenes as well. what they are saying is that they believe on process and substance, these articles of impeachment are not constitutional. there is not an underlying crime, they argue. the president has done nothing wrong. a lot of the kinds of things we have been hearing the president say, his allies say, and now it is cloaked in the language of the law in a formal way as a response to the senate summons and then tomorrow the full brief which should be extensive as the house managers' brief was more than 100 pages to give you a sense of the weights of the two

things. among those eight lawyers is de dershowitz, who is the retired harvard professor, who had an illustrious career, has been on cable television, has had controversy in his own background and tried to make clear he is not seeing himself as a trump defender, although he acknowledges he is part of the trump legal team, but more narrowly to play a role specifically about the constitution, arguing the law, as he sees it, his interpretation to say that these two articles of impeachment are not constitutional. he says he won't be a part of other aspects of the defense. he will make this case before the senate. he described a bit of what his plan includes earlier today. >> i was asked by the president's defense team to become of counsel on the specific issue of the criteria, the constitutional criteria for impeachment. that's a very important issue. i will be making that argument as an advocate, not as an expert

witness. i will be advocating against impeachment of this president based on the constitutional criteria. >> reporter: you get the sense of where he sees himself. not part of the larger strategy. also careful to say he doesn't view himself as an expert witness, not wanting to open the door to other witnesses. he will be a lawyer with a limited job description within the trial. that's what they are saying so far. others who have been associated with the trump legal defense describe it in ways like they will take it head on, they will challenge each of the points and they will argue that the president has been transparent. of course, when you talk to democrats who are associated with the house managers or the case that's been presented so far, you see the flip side. it's like looking through the looking glass as they see the same events in very different terms and argue the president's conduct to try to exert pressure on ukraine for political benefit, they argue is

absolutely an impeachable offense and that he should be removed from office. it will all play out beginning tuesday. we're in sunny florida today where the president spent time at his golf club. travels to austin, texas, later today to deliver a speech to the farm bureau. he will not be in the country when the trial begins. he will be traveling to switzerland for the world economic forum. >> high tailing it out of town. people might understand why. kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. new arguments in contention over whether witnesses will be allowed to testify during the impeachment trial. here is some of what both sides said on that today. >> we believe that a fair trial involves witnesses, it involves evidence, it involves documents. we intend to present that to the american people. >> if we call one witness, we're going to call all of the witnesses. there's not a process where the democrats get their witnesses and the president gets shut out. i want this trial to get over with as quick as possible. i want the people of the united states to pick the next

president, not a court of impeachment. >> josh is joining us from capitol hill. you told us in the last hour, some of the managers, you saw them walking by you there on the hill. what more are you hearing about that and what they are doing? >> reporter: we have seen four of the seven impeachment managers walk into pelosi's office. we haven't seen pelosi herself yet enter the meeting. we don't know if she's there with them. we know the impeachment managers have a lot of work do before all of this gets started to figure out who is going to have which role in making the presentations as well as how exactly they're going to try to push this case to have witnesses be allowed in the second faphase of the trial. we are selecting a slight change of tune from democrats in terms of whether they would tolerate having hunter biden be called to testify before this trial. previously, democrats had really said there was absolutely no reason. it shouldn't be included.

now we are starting to hear what sounds like an argument that if democrats do get their way in being able to call their witnesses, they could be okay with having hunter biden be called to testify as well. take a listen to what a few of the democrats had to say today. >> i think you bring in -- we take the position that we want to hear from witnesses. i don't know what hunter biden has to do with the phone call. >> you are fine hearing -- >> they can call whomever they want to call. we know that should they call biden, they are attempting to distract attention away from what this president is being accused of. >> reporter: the vote on whether to allow witnesses won't come until after the first phase of the impeachment trial takes place here in the senate. i want to walk you through some of the action we're going to start to see. it starts tomorrow at noon when there's a deadline for the white house to submit their comprehensive brief in defense of the president. then there will be a day in which democrats in the house will have a chance to rebut that

with their own written submission. then wednesday is really when the action is going to start in front of the television cameras with the house democratic impeachment managers starting their presentation about why they believe the president should be removed from office. that will be 24 hours split over three days. then starting on friday, the president's legal team will have their 24 hours also split over three days to make their defense of the president. there's also going to be a few procedural steps, including on tuesday a debate and vote on the rules to set up how the first phase of the trial is going to go. and then we will start to hear those arguments before there will be a vote for the second face of the tri phase of the trial, whether to allow the democrats have been pleading to be in this as well as new evidence that could be entered. >> you tossed it back to me by saying buckle up, which was good

advice. thank you very much. with me now, jeff mason, white house correspondent and reuters, with a welcome to you. a little over 48 hours to go before this trial begins. give us a sense of the mood at the white house and how they are preparing for it. >> i think josh's advice is spot on. >> buckle up. >> absolutely. the mood at the white house i think is exemplified a little bit in the brief that they submitted last night. the president and the people around him do not think he did anything wrong. he wants to be vind indicaicatee trial. he thinks the process has been unfair in terms of the content and the procedures. they laid that out in their arguments. i think we're going to see that being laid out even more forcefully in person by the lawyers who are representing him in the trial. >> give me a little further detail on that, your take on what's coming out of the president's legal team? that includes dershowitz talking

about abuse of power not being impeachable even if proven. is that really a window into the defense argument? >> well, it's a good question. i think there's a few different aspects to pull apart there. the president's team largely has never said that he has done anything wrong. but they don't necessarily dispute the facts. the president did -- the white house is proud of this, because they think it's a sign of transparency. he did release the transcript of the call with zelensky. and that, they believe, proves he did nothing wrong. on the flip side, the democrats, of course, think that that was proof that the president was seeking to get the ukrainian president to help interfere in the 2020 election. it's just -- the old adage of you can't choose your facts. both sides sort of are. they are looking at the same facts and just interpreting them in a vastly different way.

>> yeah. is there any clarity as to whether or not the president continues to want to have witnesses testify at this trial, or whether he wants it to be over and done with quickly as senator mcconnell has said he does? >> that's, i think, still a big question mark. the president has gone back and forth in terms of his comments about that. at some points saying he would like to see witnesses, he would like to see hunter biden, the whistle-blower. at other times indicates he has been persuaded that a quick trial is a better idea and that it would give legitimacy to the democrats to go longer. i think that question is still tbd. in many ways, the president may be the wild card on that. >> what about this that we heard from adam schiff earlier when he was asked about a report that intelligence agencies are pushing for a closed briefing on the world's greatest security

threats to avoid the president's ire? >> unfortunately, i think those reports are too accurate. the intelligence community is reluctant to have an open hearing, something that we had done every year prior to the trump administration, because they are worried about angering the president. i will say something more concerning. the intelligence community is withholding documents from congress on the issue of ukraine. they appear to be succumbing to pressure from the administration. the nsa in particular is withholding what are potentially relevant documents to our oversight responsibility on ukraine but also potentially relevant that the senators might want to see. >> that prompts two questions. first one, the hearing possibly being held in private to keep the president happy. what are you hearing on that? >> i haven't heard anything about that. it's interesting that congressman schiff is raising that. it would certainly be concerning, i would think, if they -- the intelligence

community is beginning to not give information to congress because of pressure from the president. we have to -- for context, it's worth noting that the president has had sort of a mixed relationship with the intelligence community since coming into office. in this case, if there really is some pressure there, i imagine that's something wocongress wil want to look into. >> withholding documents on ukraine because of white house pressure, is it appropriate for the administration to do that? >> i mean, i'm probably the wrong person to answer that. it doesn't seem like it would be, to me. i don't know all the facts. i'm reluctant to weigh in. >> okay. jeff mason, i will tell you something, there's no rattling you, my friend. thank you very much. it's why you have the job you do. bracing for chaos, the steps taken in virginia to make sure a gun rights rally does not opportunity violent. l to an elec toothbrush. but my hygienist said going electric could lead to way cleaner teeth. she said, get the one inspired by dentists,

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the capital of virginia is in a state of emergency as officials begin for tomorrow's gun rights rally. cal perry is joining us live from richmond. a welcome to you, cal. what exactly are officials worried about that prompted this emergency declaration? >> reporter: they are worried about violence, a repeat of 2017 in charlottesville. this is why you can see what's happening now. official authorities are preparing for large groups of people to come down here. some will be armed. this is about gun restrictions, gun control.

this is about democrats having retaken the house in richmond, which is why you see new regulations here around the capital. that's what upset many people, including some militias, extremist groups. we have had six people arrested in the last 24 hours here in virginia and in georgia. authorities are trying to stay on top of which groups will come down, which militia groups. they are trying to, of course -- they are trying to stay on top of the violence to make sure we don't see a repeat of two years ago. >> there's an article that talks to residents who want to stay away from the protest. tomorrow is marlc martin luther day. he was a famously non-violent demonstrator. are any events devoted to him? are they sidelined because of the protest? >> reporter: events are being canceled. dr. king was killed. when you talk to people here, it's about gun control. but it's also about personal freedom and rights. again, we are talking about some of the more extremist groups. the base is one group.

they had six members arrested. they were planning on carrying attacks here from count er counterdemonstrations. >> thank you so much. joining me now is reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network, a friend and host colleague of the msnbc show "politics nation." i want to talk to you about this. do you have any concerns about the rally tomorrow in virginia's capital? are you wroorried it could be hijacked by hate groups? are there fears it could be another charlottesville? >> certainly, there's always the fear after what we saw in 2017 with charlottesville. we saw arrests made already around these hate groups that have said that they are planning to do things. there was one, three people that were arrested with 1,500 rounds of ammunition saying they wanted to kill blacks and jews.

we have seen an escalation of anti-semitic attacks in the last several weeks. we would, in my opinion, be irresponsible not to be concerned. i do not think we ought to in any way try and incite a situation further than it is. but i think it's appropriate that they called for an emergency -- a state of emergency there in virginia. i'm in atlanta, georgia, now where some of the arrests happened in georgia from some of the militia group members that were allegedly headed that way. it is of real concern. i think what adds insult to injury is what you raise, and that is they chose martin luther king's birthday, who was the apostle of non-violence and was killed by a violent extremist and maybe others involved. so i think that it is to put salt in the wound to call for this demonstration, knowing what happened in charlottesville and

to call on it on martin luther king federal holiday. >> take that a step further. yes, it's on this particular day. but the effect is having to cancel these memorial events devoted to martin luther king. what kind of message does that send? >> the message is that they are in effect cancelling the celebration of a man who helped to break down the walls of apartheid in america and there are many things we still are left to do. and they are, in effect, cancelling them to have their event. that in and of itself is symbolic of a country that seems to be bent on accommodating the wrong side of the equation, a peaceful co-existence and racial justice and fairness. >> let's turn to a new poll out from the "washington post." it shows more than eight in ten african-americans believe the president is a racist. more than eight in ten african-americans believing the

president has contributed to making racism a bigger problem in the u.s. it could be argued that began the moment he came down the escalator at trump tower. that said, trump has asked black voters in 2016, what do you have to lose? do these numbers prove that that strategy could fail him in 2020? >> i think absolutely it does. when you look at the fact that they are not saying that they just look at him on an unfavorable light. they are saying that he is racist. eight in ten blacks saying he is racist according to that poll. you must remember, he started in the political arena as a face for the birther movement, which was accusing the first and so far only black president of not being really an american, not being one of us, which was in my opinion a veiled racist message. so he even, before he came down that escalator, had whipped up

this whole us against them attitude. he followed that up with calling african nations an s-hole country. he followed it up by attacking everyone that he could that stood up for civil and human rights, including john lewis, all the way to all of us that have been the targets of his tweets. he has said are a tore , what d lose, look what we lost. we lost voting rights act that we saw the obama administration had challenged, voting irregularities in texas and north carolina, where they were closing voting polls, they had voter i.d. laws, voter suppression, they withdrew that, immediately counted decrees around the country that had a record of abuse. they have had a policy that has

earned them the ire of many blacks and according to this poll overwhelmingly the majority of blacks. >> reflecting what you have said. 65% of african-americans say it's a bad time to be a black person in this country. i do want to ask you before you take off about this week's impeachment trial. your thoughts on the best way for democrats to approach this trial. what do you think needs to happen for everyone to end up thinking it's a fair process? >> i think that they must allow witnesses. they must push and get the senate to approve witnesses and documents. this is beyond a partisan question. it's a country of -- this is a question of what the country stands for. how do you have the world look at america as a beacon of democracy and of courts and of law if you allow the president of the united states to be charged by the house of representatives and you put no documents and no witnesses

before it? unlike the past two that have been impeached, they had witnesses, they had been deposed. we saw clinton deposed. we did not see him hold back any of his staff. there has been nothing offered by this president in terms of his being deposed. he would not let those around him testify. it requires testimony at the senate or it becomes a farce. and we cannot as a nation have this appearance that the president is above the law and above accountability. >> amen to that. reverend al sharpton, thank you. watch him on "politics nation." nearly 6.8 million americans live with alopecia, an autoimmune disease that causes people to lose their hair. this week, representative pressley revealed she's one of them. she spoke with my colleague joy reed about going public with this powerful personal story.

it's no surprise, she was joy's pick for who won the week. >> you talked about dealing with alopecia. it was so heroic. here you are today in your full beautif beautiful self. how did you come to the decision to go public with this, which was a very personal struggle? >> here is the thing, joy. i was suffering in silence and felt really shackled by the silence and the accompanying shame and isolation. i felt firmly that in order for me to lead authentically, that i would immediate to be transparent. but i knew i would owe people an explanation, not only because a twist of hairstyle had become a part of my identity and my political brand but because as a woman in politics and as a black

woman, everything is political. this is not shocking. i introduced legislation to guard against the fact that black girls are pushed out of the classroom for how they wear their hair. colleagues pressured not to allow their hair to go gray. colleagues who have been told that they should straighten their hair and not wear it curly. hair is political. so far as who won the week, it's the millions of those in this country that are living daily with the trauma and the stigma of hair loss. navigating the world bald, which challenges conventional norms and societal standards of what is beautiful. or what is handsome. this is i want to give a shoutout to bald nation. my fellow i'alopecia suffers. this is an autoimmune disease.

i have been hearing from men and women and children alike from throughout the country. they win the week. i am grateful i have the platform to shine a light on this issue. >> she looks stunning. clearing the air. what bernie sanders is saying about his clash with elizabeth warren. - do you have a box of video tapes, film reels, or photos,

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now to the race for the white house. 15 days left for iowa voters to pick their candidate when they caucus february 3. the democratic hopefuls are campaigning across the country. also on the trail for us, welcome, guys. first to you, mike, in columbia with joe biden. biden attended church earlier this morning. he has a few other events later today. with that primary just over a month away, mike, what kind of message is biden sending to voters there? >> reporter: well, you can see the soul of the nation bus is behind me. it traded the subzero

temperatures for here. he will press his advantage with african-american voters. he used remarks here at the bethlehem baptist church to talk about his roots with the african-american community in his home state of delaware. talk about the symbolism and historic election of obama that he was part of as vice-pre vice-president. let's take a listen to some of the sound this morning. >> i thought you could defeat hate. but hate only hides. it never fully goes away. so when those folks came out of those fields in charlottesville carrying torches, close your eyes and remember what you saw, their veins bulging, hate in their eyes. we gotta stand up and we gotta fight. all of us are to fight and say enough, enough, enough, enough!

>> reporter: biden was joined at this church service by a congresswoman. she endorsed the former vice-president. she talked about the best way to honor martin luther king is to make sure donald trump is replaced. >> can i ask about the feud that's out there between joe biden and bernie sanders over the videos of biden talking about social security? can you talk about what's going on from the biden side? >> reporter: yeah. this is a really interesting moment. something perhaps of an unforced error by joe biden. this has been something the sanders campaign has wanted to engage with biden on for a number of weeks. they telegraphed it as something bernie might raise in the last debate, which he did not. biden was asked by a voter in iowa about calls receiving from the sanders campaign questioning biden's record on social security. he singled in on one specific video out of several that the sanders campaign has circulated

which he said was doctored. took some of his remarks out of context. the issue for the sanders campaign is trying to draw attention to the fact that biden, through his long career, has at times signed on to compromise procompose proposals limit benefits. they want to use that against him where a significant turnout is among older voters in iowa. >> thank you. let's bring in shaq in new hampshire. he is with the sanders campaign. let's get a response to that. what is sanders' side to this fight? >> reporter: they are saying it's vice-president biden who -- they are using that word he used, who doctored his personal record. he has been a little bit too willing to compromise on the issue of social security. if you look at the greater politics, this is an issue the campaign has wanted to weigh in. this is a fight they wanted to have for a couple of reasons. a hint to that is yesterday within minutes after vice-president biden made that

statement, they had multiple statements out, e-mails out to supporters. this is a fight they think helps them move on from the spat with warren and over to more fertile ground with biden. i will tell you, senator sanders was asked about elizabeth warren in the back and forth last week while he was talking to new hampshire public radio. listen to a chunk of that interview. >> the media has blown this up. i don't want to get into it more other than to say, of course, i believed and believe today that a woman can be elected president. those people who think that a woman cannot be elected, you are dead wrong. if you think a gay american cannot be elected, you are dead wrong. if you think an african-american can't be elected, you are dead wrong. >> reporter: part that was interview starting to create buzz. people are having issue with senator sanders said it's a problem that he is a 78-year-old. the use of the word problem is an issue.

the campaign has been making the point this is sanders saying, look beyond the candidates and go to what the candidate -- the record of the candidate, who he has been fighting for. it's another example of the back and forth with warren. you have seen both candidates try their best to avoid this back and forth for the past week now. >> from shaq to des moines, iowa, where vaughn hilliard is with the warren campaign. let's get it in perspective. has warren put this behind her? >> reporter: hasn't necessarily done an effective job, you could say. she hasn't been willing to answer any questions. you have two candidates as shaq outlined that called each other liars on national television. that's why the other night i put that question to her. this is part of what she said. could i ask, why allow this to

play out publically? why not put this to rest privately. democratic voters are concerned it hurts the democratic party's case. >> i have already commented on this and i'm not going to add additional comments. i'm here to talk about why i'm running for president. i assume that's what everyone else is doing who is in the democratic race. we're getting down to it in the iowa caucuses. i think we have an america working great for those at the top but not working for anyone else. >> reporter: that was in with a iowa friday night. she said she wanted to focus on the issues. that's exactly what she did at this town hall in this middle school gym in des moines. you are getting a camera shot of her getting selfies.

we will be in south carolina taking part in king day before making her way right back here to des moines for the black and brown forum that the naacp is holding tomorrow. then that's when the jet take her to washington, d.c. for the trial, the senate impeachment trial of president trump. we are 15 days away. >> you are. i want to thank you, all of our road warriors, vaughn, shaquille and mike. lev parnas, how much of a threat is he to the presidency? y low sugar. so good! high protein. low sugar. mmmm, birthday cake! pure protein bars. try lemon cake.

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new today, fresh analysis in "the washington post" about parnas' upending of the impeachment trial. once this is over, we will be kings, how lev parnas worked his way into trump's world is rattling. he is an associate of rudy giuliani. he has been indicted. he was arrested at a washington airport with a one-way ticket out of the country. joining me now is rosalind and natasha. welcome to you both. rosalind, i want to ask about your article. you call this the lev parnas hurricane. just look at the selfies that came off of his cell phone. what kind of impact has this had in washington? >> i think one thing it's done

has gib egiven a new argument t democrats that argued the senate should hear witnesses. this was a week whether we thought we would largely be seeing the pomp and circumstance of the start of the senate trial. instead, this was the parnas show. that came both through the documents, hundreds of pages of new text messages and other records that his lawyer turned over to congress just this week. as well as several interviews he did, including the one we talked about in the story. >> you also describe him as a fast talking ukraine-born businessman, sporting an ankle bracelet. we have been making this point he is under indictment. people are aware of all perspectives as you look at this man. do you get the sense that this detail has been overlooked largely in d.c.? >> i'm not sure. i think there are some democrats who are counseling some level of caution about some of the things that he is saying. the reality is, he is kind of

providing the receipts, if you will. every time a new republican comes forward to say that they never met mr. parnas or didn't know who he was, his lawyer takes to twitter to post a photo of the two of them together. there's also all these text messages that were released to congress. there is some corroborating evidence for what he says. as you say, he certainly is facing serious criminal charges in new york and prosecutors have indicated they might bring more against him. >> i'm going to give props to rachel maddow. they did a wonderful job of trying to put corroborating evidence with some of his claims. natasha, as i bring you in, you wrote the book about -- rather, you wrote about lev parnas that suggested some surveillance operation on former ambassador yovanovitch which parnas told came from robert hyde when he

was drunk. then josh lederman heard this was all a joke. can you put it in perspective? >> it's difficult to determine whether this surveillance occurred. these were two people that are -- they are chest thumpers. there was a reason why they would want yovanovitch, the u.s. ambassador to ukraine out, because she was kind of an impediment to the dirt on biden they wanted to obtain from the former prosecutor general. so it was a perfect storm. the question though that we have is, what was the fbi doing over the last three months when they had these text messages in their possession, when they asked lev parnas' attorney whether they asked him about the possible surveillance of a sitting u.s. ambassador, he said the bureau

never asked him about that. that came as a surprise to us. we reached out to the bureau for comment. they declined saying that they just don't discuss -- they don't confirm or deny whether there's an investigation of something. the bureau seems to have just gone to hyde's home and business to question him about this. it's a very serious allegation. the text messages do show conversations between hyde and another gentleman with a belgian number discussing yovanovitch's whereabouts, sending screen shots of her address, exchanging photos of her. this is something that deserves to be investigated. the ukrainian authorities have opened a criminal probe into the alleged illegal surveillance, have asked the fbi for their help. unclear whether the bureau is working with them. >> have you been able to connect any significant dots, big picture, natasha on this? putting this element that you are writing about into the greater context? >> yeah.

the effort to oust yovanovitch, the ambassador, was connected, according to the text messages, to efforts to get dirt on joe biden. this is another layer of the quid pro quo we had not seen before the had not seen these, messages that lute sinko the prosecutor sent to lev parnas suggests that he was prepared to give over information about joe biden and his son and the role on the ukrainian gas company in exchange for yovanovitch removed. because lutsenko had a fraught history with him. he felt she was an impediment. the president's lawyers close to the president victoria tune sig and joe, were pushing hurd for her to be ousted. >> in the big picture, roslin, do you have a sense of what lev

parnas hopes to get out of all of this? >> it's interesting. people had assumed when his lawyer was talking to congress that he want the immunity from congress that would complicate his charges in new york. now it doesn't seem like it. it seems to say he believes he's being persecuted by bill barr in an effort to shut him up in the impeecht process and he wants to tell the truth. >> roslin and that tasha, ladies, thank you so much. if any of you missed it we'll be reairg all of rachel maddow's interview of lev parnas later. what's ahead for harry and meghan as they turn in their royal titles and move across the pond? apps are used everywhere...

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>> yeah. if you're a wealthy child, who do you look for for money, your parents. we can expect meghan and harry will do. a lot of this money was distributed anyway. this was the arrangement the royal family always has had. they get money from the matery aurk and patery aurk. but alex, let's dispense with the fairy tales. the royals are rich but not that rich, millionaires, not billionaires. most of their money doesn't come from taxes. it's not being stripped from the public covers. most of it comes from dividends off of lands and assets held by members of the royal family. these royals are still going to have access to that. >> there's really great jewelry, crowns and tiaras. that's a whole other conversation. >> that's going for you, you get that. >> i wish.

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