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♪ it was a marathon day on capitol hill, as democratic prosecutors clashed with white house lawyers during the impeachment trial of the president. for nearly 13 hours it was a fight over the rules that will govern the proceedings. and just as things were wrapping before 2:00 a.m., chief justice roberts warned both sides to keep the tone civil after arguments became heated. >> everyone knows nothing good happens after midnight. you got to shut it down. >> especially in the senate.
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>> good morning, everybody. it's wednesday, january 22nd, i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin after 13 hours of debate the senate has passedmen mcconnell resolution laying out the ground rules for president trump's impeachment trial. senate republicans rejected 11 amendments most of which were seeking subpoenas from documents to the trump administration. last minute changes to mcconnell's proposed rules came earlier in the day. republicans reversed their original plan for arguments to take place over two days. now each side will have 24 hours to speak over the course of three days. several republicans have voiced concern about the original schedule including senator collins of maine, rob portland of ohio and lisa murkowski of alaska. mcconnell could have changed the provision that would have barred impeachment inquiry. >> and shortly after midnight,
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house prosecutor jerry nadler took to the floor over the eighth amendment, to subpoena john bolton. what happened neck was a heated explaining between house impeachment prosecutors and the leading white house defense team leading chief justice roberts to scold both of them for lack of decorum. here's how that played out overnight. >> i'm struck by what we've heard from the president's counsel so far tonight. they explain about process but do not seriously contest any allegations against the president. they insist that the president has done nothing wrong and they lie. and lie and lie and lie. >> mr. nadler came up here and made false allegations against our team. he's been making false allegations against the president. the only one who should be embarrassed, mr. nadler is you.
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>> mr. cipollone says president trump is a man of his word. president trump gave his word he would drain the swamp. we've seen his personal lawyer go to jail. his campaign chairman go to jail. his deputy campaign chairman convicted of a different crime. list goes on and on. that's, how i guess, you drain the swamp, you have all of your people go to jail. >> i think it is appropriate at this point for me to add mmonis both the house managers and the president's counsel in equal terms to remember that they are addressing the world's greatest deliberative body. one reason it has earned that title is its members avoid speaking in a manner and using language that is not conducive to civil discourse. i do think those addressing the senate should remember where they are.
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>> white house counsel pat p cipollone was caught in several lies. >> in every other impeachment proceeding, the president has been given minimal due process, nothing here. not even mr. schiff's republican colleagues were allowed into the skiff. >> now, i'm not going to suggest to you that mr. cipollone would deliberately make a false statement. i will leave it to mr. cipollone to make those allegations against others, but i will tell you this, he's mistaken. he's mistaken. every republican on the three investigative committees was allowed to participate in depositions. and more than that, they got the same time we did. >> in fact, here is a photo of republican congressman jim jordan walking into the skiff. another representative matt gates tweeting about leading 30 of his gop colleagues into the secure facility, adding, quote,
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we are still inside. and a third congressman mark walker a member of the house republican leadership tweeted we are inside the skiff and another is quietly listening. here is another one of cipollone's lies. >> let's remember how we got here. they made false allegations about a telephone call. the president of the united states declassified that telephone call and released to the public. how's that for transparency? when mr. schiff found out that there was nothing to his allegations, he focused on the second telephone call. he made false -- and his colleagues made false allegations about that second telephone call. that occurred before the one he had demanded. so the president of the united states declassified and released
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that telephone call. still nothing. >> all right. there is a lot to unpack there. first, it was not false allegations from house democrats about a phone call that got the ball rolling. it was in fact a whistle-blower complaint about the president's july 25th phone call with ukraine's president. second, no actual recordings of the call or transcript was released. only a summary of that call. third, the white house released a summary of trump's first call with ukraine's president almost two months after releasing a summary of the controversial second call. and not due to willful transparency. fourth, before the first call was made public, the white house claimed the president raised the issue of corruption. but when the summary was actually made public, the word corruption didn't even appear once. and finally cipollone repeated the president's false claim that
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skiff relayed the first message when schiff made it clear that he wasn't direct ly that messag but the essence of the case. here's how it was on the floor. >> over the last few weeks, new evidence has come to light as the government's nonpartisan office determined that to the ukraine was illegal and broke the law. as john bolton has testified in the trial as one of the government's agents lev parnas has produced doubts of rudy giuliani on behalf of the president and corroborate mr. sondland's testimony that everyone was in the loop. as doubts were released at the freedom of act, documented alarm at the department of defense while the president illegally withheld military support for ukraine, an ally at war with
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russia, without explanation. as a senior office of management and budget official michael duffey instructed defense department officials on july 25th. 90 minutes after president trump spoke by phone with president zelensky the defense department should pause all obligation of ukraine military assistance under its purview. 90 minutes after that call. duffy added, quote, given the sensitive nature of the request, i appreciate you're keeping that information closely held. to those who need to know, to execute the direction. although the evidence is already more than sufficient to convict, there is simply no rational basis for the senate to deprive itself of all relevant information in making such a hugely consequential judgment.
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>> joining us here on msnbc analyst danny cevallos and also from washington nils lessnewsky. you had a public rebuke of his resolution. and chuck schumer come out along with his senate colleagues as well with the public rebuke of this resolution. and then there was a change midday, once the proceedings started at 1:00 p.m. of his resolution, over two days, 24 hours over those three days. and allowance of all evidence of the house investigation into the senate unless there is objections. what do you make of the resolutions released by mitch mcconnell? >> it represents some concessions and they are important ones, too. first the change from 12-hour days to eight-hour days is significant. it avoids fatigue.
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it keeps the sessions from going into the wee hours of the night. and that will prevent people from missing them. and the other is evidence being presumptively allowed in. without allowing the evidence in each time that would be very clunky and cumbersome. now presumptively in unless there's a motion but there may be a lot of motions as a result. >> nils, what do you make of the tone of this official impeachment trial started out? more importantly, what do you think we can expect as today and tomorrow proceed? >> well, i think the most important part is the fact that the chief justice actually felt that he needed to admonish the lawyers, both the house managers and the trump legal team. that now for me is going to be the most fascinating thing to watch in the next couple of days, at least, when we're sort
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of into these opening arguments, and basically, for the rest of the week and on saturday is whether or not the chief justice feels like he needs to take a more active role in these proceedings than we might think of as a normal presiding officer if it were a senator in that chair. >> hey, dan, let's talk about pat cisicipollone, white house counsel. it's astounding that the white house counsel can stand on the floor in front of chief justice roberts and lie about how we got here with the ticktock of events. how do you think this is going to affect the president's defense going forward? >> adam schiff had a terrific, very effective response when he stood up and he said, i'm not going to call white house counsel a liar. i'm not going to say his pants are on fire. you know, i'm going to say something else but i'll leave it
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to everyone else to make that conclusion, because that's exactly what will he was saying. now, what i'm seeing happening with cipollone, he's so invested in the facts that sometimes lawyers maybe step over the lines a little bit. i don't know that it rises to the level -- >> whatever it is. >> well, sometimes, you make a statement and it's a little bit of fudging of the facts and that's exactly what cipollone did. it happens. lawyers do it. but this is a situation where he should have known the facts cold. and should have fashioned a statement that wasn't going to go over the line. after all, a lot of these remarks were preprepared. this wasn't off the cuff and probably something that could have been avoid. and didn't get them anything but criticism. >> and to know what role if any moderate republicans will play in this. we saw the moderate votes go down party lines 53-47.
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pretty much as anticipated. anyone who is saying you may get breaks from moderate republicans who don't want to have to go back to their constituents and don't have to defend without a evidence or witnesses, are we likely to see any moderate republicans change their points in the key process? >> the way i would look at it the fact that all of these votes on these various witnesses that chuck schumer forced the senate to take those votes at this point seems to me to be an insurance policy for what happens after the opening arguments and the question and answer session. because if there is a vote at that point in time to shut off the possibility of even debating whether or not there should be witnesses called. then senators like cory gardner and susan collins, and that contingent who are up on the ballot this year, have already voted effectively not to subpoena john bolton and mick mulvaney and the like.
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so, that's sort of how i view it is, the insurance votes for democratic campaign ads took place yesterday. >> getting them on the record to make sure in a couple -- yes, the changes on the record for having denied those witnesses and pieces of evidence. danny cevallos and niels lesniewski, we'll talk to you in a bit. >> we'll take a look at how senators are keeping their presidential campaigns going as the impeachment trial ramps up. and with the impeachment trial under way, president trump is at the world economic forum threatening the world with more tariffs. we'll get a live story from davos, next, and a check of weather when we come right back. ♪
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switch now and get a $100 prepaid card when you add comcast business securityedge. call today. comcast business. beyond fast. all right, welcome, everyone. president trump is wrapping up his time at the world economic forum in davos in switzerland today after taking part in several bilateral meetings with other world leaders. according to "the wall street
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journal," ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky will be at the summit, when asked about president trump, he said, quote, i didn't think he was here. we didn't have it planned but i'd be willing to meet with him. i think he's a really good guy. stefani grisham said there's no plan to meet in davos today. >> joining us in davos, nbc correspondent skier skear sim i. keir, what else is on the president's agenda? >> reporter: yeah, a series of meetings, i guess you could call his agenda anything but impeachment. thousands of miles away from that senate impeachment trial, he's profiting an image of a president going about his business. he's meeting with business leaders and he met with the
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european commission leader and he said he threatened her with new tariffs on europe, saying that he now wants to get a deal done with europe, in his view having dealt with china and north america. europe's his next target. he says he doesn't think he will need to put fresh tariffs on europe but prepared to do so. you know, it's classic trump talk. and i think some of it will be attempting to make noise to break through the noise there of the politics which obviously he dislikes very much. >> really quickly, keir, one of the themes we've been talking about is whether or not climate change wants to get addressed. there's obviously the team activist, greta thunberg there putting the spotlight in, the president also taking a bit of a swipe at her again. >> reporter: yeah, that's exactly right. she was in the oaudience when h gave his speech.
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when he said climate change is not a real thing and said that america has the cleanest water and air in the world. the confrontation between them continues. i will say, there's a powerful sense at this conference where there are 119 billionaires with climate change front and center of the agenda, whatever the president has to say. >> 190 billionaires, you're in good company there, keir. >> reporter: 119. not quite so many. >> i was going to say. >> thank you. we're going to be watching for the president's meeting with the iraqi president. hillary clinton walks back comments about bernie sanders. what the senator and 2020 candidate is saying about her remarks, next. could be your kind of cure. i just found out about mine. i knew for years epclusa has a 98% overall cure rate.
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welcome back. some pretty controversial comments from former secretary clinton yesterday. >> depends on who you ask. >> comments she made in a stunning new interview about her former democratic senator bernie sanders saying nobody likes him. clinton wrote this the number one priority for our country and world is retiring trump and as i can, i will do whatever i can to support the nominee. >> secretary clinton sat down with the "hollywood" reporter in a new story called hillary.
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saying he had one senator support him, nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him. he got nothing done. he's a career politician. it's all just baloney and i feel so bad that people got sucked into it. when asked if she would endorse sanders if he becomes anomineei i'm not going to go there. >> secretary clinton said as a senator, you got nothing done and nobody likes you. what's your response to that? >> on a good day, my wife likes me. >> why do you think the secretary of state is going to support in 2020? >> that's a good question. still ahead, everybody, we have much more to talk about from the marathon proceedings that took place during the senate impeachment trial late last night. plus, we're digging into the new fight for witnesses in the
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♪ ayman mohyeldin alongside yasmin vossoughian. we begin this half hour with more from yesterday's marathon trial in the senate. congressman adam schiff, the lead prosecutor for the trial explained why the ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky will not admit he felt pressured by trump's politically motivated investigation. >> so why isn't president zelensky saying he's pressured? look, can you imagine the impact of that can you imagine the impact of president zelensky if
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he were to acknowledge, hell, yes, we felt pressure. you would, too. we're at word wiar with russia, crying out loud. i till can't get in the white house door. they let lavrov, the russian. they let him in. i can't even get in the white house door. you think i'm going to go out now and admit to this scheme? i think anyone who has watched this president the last three years knows how vindictive he can be. do you think it would be smart for the president of ukraine to contradict the president of the united states so directly on an issue he's being impeached for? that would be the worst form of malpractice for the new president of ukraine. we shouldn't be surprised he was denied -- we should be surprised if he were to admit it. >> schiff plans to argue that republicans planning to delay
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the witnesses in the senate trial is anne efnes effort to d altogether. >> do you think they're going to have an epiphany and say, we're ready for witnesses. their goal is to get you to say no now, get to you have a trial and argue to make it go away. let's dismiss the whole thing. that's the plan. a vote to delay is a vote to deny. let's make no mistake about that. they're not going to have an epiphany a new days from now and say, okay, the american people do deserve the answers. their whole goal is that you'll never get to that point. you'll never get to that point. when they say when, they mean never. >> so, "the washington post" reports that several senate democrats are considering an unusual witness trade in the impeachment trial. the testimony of hunter biden in
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exchange for the testimony of former national security adviser john bolton or other trump officials with first hand knowledge of the ukraine controversy. multiple democratic sources told "the post" that a small group of lawmakers and aides have privately started sending out fee feerl feelers. another one that's been infor l informally floated is to offer testimony from joe biden in exchange for testimony of trump. this group of democrats they believe having hunter or joe biden testify could back fire on trump by calling out republicans' bluff on hearing from tile witnesses. with less than two weeks to go to the iowa caucus uses, four candidates heavily leaning on their teams on the front while they participate back in washington, d.c. in the impeachment trial. >> with two weeks to go to the
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iowa caucus. three weeks to go to the new hampshire primary, i would much prefer to be in iowa and new hampshire. we have a great army of volunteers. i think we have more volunteers, frankly, than any other other campaign. they're out knocking on doors in the bitter cold. they are talking to people. and they're going to have to carry the ball for a while. >> i'm going to do everything i can, whether it's teletown halls. whether it's skyping in and whether it's getting there when we have sunday off. >> now, on splitting her time across country, senator elizabeth warren said, quote, some things are more important than politics and the constitution of the united states is at stake here. senator michael bennet complaned to do virtual town halls and will take every opportunity to engage with voters. >> joining us here on set, msnbc analyst danny cevallos and also niels lesniewski. let's talk, first, danny about
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with regards to the votes and the motion. the only defection that we saw was, i believe, from susan collins on the 10th amendment with regards to time to respond to a motion. otherwise, it was votes along party lines, delay, delay, delay. and then we heard from adam schiff there, a vote to delay is a vote to deny. with regards to these results, is this an indicator of where we could see this trial heading? >> probably. i mean almost every single vote was 53-47. accept except as you pointed out senator susan collins. it's so interesting how it echoes itself. susan collins was deeply conflicted in the impeachment trial as well and was considered a moderate as well as olympia snowe. they went through exactly what they're going through now. and i think this is a signal at least of possibility of mod r t
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moderates in the middle. they'll know that their vote is important but it could shift the entire slim majority. >> so, we heard a lot of the preview, i guess, of the opening arguments yesterday, especially from the house managers, the case around the president but we're officially going to hear the opening arguments. it's hard to imagine that the 13 hours we saw yesterday were not even the opening argument. they were just the process part. what can we expect today? >> challenge for house managers today is to have opening arguments that are not redundant. in so many ways they put out so much of their argument yesterday on essentially was a pretrial motion for more witnesses and evidence. but they had a very comprehensive presentation. they had power points. clips. >> sound bites. >> they had sound bites and clips. and this was in inits infancy in a way when during the clinton
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trial they wheeled in these flat screen tvs where they put together a power point presentation. and this is the kind of thing that we can expect today. i wonder how they're going to address the redundancy issue. because you're not only going to keep the senators interested. around there were reports that we already had a falling asleep incident in the senate. >> they don't give you the cutaway cameras. >> try serving coffee. >> milk and water. >> milk and water. >> i need a straight i.v. of coffee at this rate. we all do. and a lot of us are watching from the comfort of our home. i think that's a challenge for house manager, keep everyone consistent and try not to be redundant. >> talk to us anything you know with regards to this possible witness exchange regarding hunter biden and john bolton. >> well, this is kind of what was being floated by republican senator ted cruz who suggested
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witness reciprocity, as he called it, where there would be sort of a one for one trade. but what seems to be happening is the democrats are at least thinking about whether or not they might want to call the bluff of the republicans. that they view it as sort of a -- the kind of thing that they wouldn't expect them to say yes to. and so that may be one of the things that goes on in the next few days. and we'll probably find that out, not until next week. to danny's point about trying to keep people's attention, the other thing to keep in mind is that if you repeat the arguments, you all might stick with it. but the actual television networks would likely cut away and go back to their daytime soap operas. so the actual -- the actual soap operas. so, that's part of what we have
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to think of as well in terms of the arguments. >> that's exactly what i was say, the actual scripted soap operas. thanks, niels. danny cevallos as well. let's go back overseas to davos where the president is meeting with the president of iraq. >> at a news conference today and another meeting and a news conference after this. that would be within the next 45 minutes. before leaving. we'll be leaving in a little while. we've had tremendous success. and we'll be leaving in a little while. but we'll do a news conference. a quick news conference. then we head back. several of you are coming on a very nice plane. okay? so i'll see you in a little while. >> all right. so, you heard the president, just essentially we caught the tail end of that talking to reporters that he's going to be holding a quick news conference before heading back to the united states. as we heard making a plug for
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air force one. a nice plane. >> exactly. >> the iraqi president also picking that up as well. we're going to try to get some of that information if there was anything significant said, particularly around impeachment. still ahead, what president is now saying about teenage climate activist greta thunberg after yesterday. we'll that have and a check of your weather when we return. your "first look" at "morning joe" is back in a moment. ♪
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to address. you just leave it because you think it's too depressing and people will give up. but people will not give up. you are the ones who are giving up. i wonder what will you tell your children was the reason to fail and leave them facing a climate chaos that you've knowingly brought upon them. that it seems so bad for the economy that we decide to resign the idea of securing future living conditions without even trying? our house is still on fire. your inaction is fuelling the flames by the hour. and we are telling you to act as if you loved your children above all else. >> so, the president told "the wall street journal" yesterday, he does not know anything about thunberg and added that she's, quote, very angry.
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in december, trump criticized the teen activist for what he called an anger management problem before she was named "time" magazine's 2019 person of the year. just so incredibly impressive to see a teenager stand up there in front of world leaders. >> so composed. put a spot light on the issue. caug calling them for out for inaction and the most powerful man in the world continuing to call her a teenager. let's get to bill. >> it's leading up to november when it comes to the climate issue because the president was pretty much saying optimism. planting of a trillion trees, technology is going to be the solution. i think that's a good preview of how he's going to come at the democrats when they say, hey, we don't have a plan. we're not doing anything. i think it will be interesting to say the least. it is going to be a much bigger issue than in any other
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presidential election we've had. let's get to the numbers this morning and the people in south florida. this is the coldest in a long time. miami has dropped to 42 degrees. last time it was this cold you had to go all the way back to 2015. the last time miami dropped in the 30s was 2010 so, yeah, this was an exceptionally cold morning in south florida when miami has a windchill of 35. it will be 65 this afternoon but right now, it's frigid. this afternoon, in areas of midwest. we already have snow that's falling. about an inch on the ground in tulsa. so there are slippery conditions and it's knows in wichita and houston. and heading north on 35, it's going to be slippery. just a mixture of different types of precipitation. 17 million people right now are in winter weather advisories. in texarkana northward and areas of southern iowa. this isn't a big blockbuster
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event but we will see in the next 48 hours the area of purple, northern i-70 in here, about 4 inches of snow possible. we're going to get a bunch this morning, a wintry mix answer a little more snow on the backside. and eventually, this will make its way up towards iowa and northern portions of illinois. eventually, by the time we get to friday, this mess heads to the east with rain in the areas of southeast. snow in the great lakes. saturday is when it arrives in the northeast. looks like another rainstorm in areas like washington, d.c., baltimore, new york city, all rain too. if you want snow, it has to be in interior sections of the northeast. looks like areas of the poconos, the catskills will get snow out of this on saturday. still lingering on sad aturday north new england. and florida warms up, no problems in the areas of the east coast as we get to the afternoon hours. a decent level of snow for the
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ski lovers this weekend but d.c., philadelphia -- >> wet. >> yeah, rainy saturday. >> thanks, bill. still ahead, president trump in davos mends trade tensions with one u.s. ali while deepening the rift with another. and the story with the federal reserve. the stories driving your business day, straight ahead. a. even a "gold medal grizzly." (sports announcer) what an unlikely field in this final heat. hang on... you're about to see history in the making. (burke) not exactly a skinny dipper, but we covered it. at farmers, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ (vo) visit farmers-dot-com and get a quote today. whit looks like this. heart failure look like? ♪the beat goes on entresto is a heart failure pill that helped keep people alive and out of the hospital.
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2% to the fed being tight for too long? do you acknowledge that maybe some of the tariffs or some of the uncertainty in gender by the china trade war affect the gdp? >> well, it will be higher than 2%, a lot of people are thrilled with that. me in that. but we had a number of bad things happen. number one, the fed is not good. that should not have happened. had we not done the big raise on interest, i think we would have been close to 4. and i can see 5,000 to 10,000 more points on the dow. but that was a killer when they raise the rate. it was just a big mistake. they admit to it. they admit to it. i was right. i don't want to be right, but i was right. >> that's president trump blaming the fed earlier with the interview in davos in switzerland. cnbc's willem marx joins live.
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willem, let's pick up on president trump about this tariff on european cars. what more do you have on that? >> it's been a fear with european companies and investors but he's deal with. he had a meeting this week with the new commission president, in charge of the eu's executive branch. her predecessor had signed a sort of trade truce, if you will, in the summer of 2018 with president trump. since then there has not been a huge amount of movement on issues of actual substance. we have had the u.s. initiate retaliatory tariffs on italian cheese, on french wine, on spanish olives, but when it comes down to the details of how they want to arrange trade in the future, there has not been a huge amount of movement. what european companies, global investors really are concerned about is this idea that german manufacturers, french manufacturers of cars would face tariffs going to the u.s., a big market for them. that could be very damaging. the french have a very direct
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spat with the u.s. on trade which seems to have been just this week slightly resolved, emanuel macron the president of france meeting with president trump, they seem to have agreed that they will not start installation of a digital tax on big tech companies. the u.s. have said that this digital tax the french have proposed would unfairly target big american tech firms, the french dispute that but said they will postpone throughout the course of this year the installments on that digital tax. don't forget the u.s. have threatened to retaliate with tariffs on french goods, champagne, handbags. this does seem to be slightly winding down although the french finance minister just giving an interview saying they are not going to take it off the table entirely and that's right out of the trump administration playbook of holding on to the threat of tariffs to maintain leverage. >> willem marx, appreciate it. up next a look at axios' one big thing. coming up on "morning joe," more from yesterday's marathon
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welcome back. joining us from washington with a look at axios a.m. political reporter for axios alexei mchammon. talk to us about axios' one big thing today. >> democratic women say they will be more involved in the 2020 election than they were in 2016 and they're also actively working to get friends and family involved in the political process this year compared to previous years. that matters because it's a huge warning sign for the republican party which has already been losing female voters at fast rates to democrats in last election cycles. this is according to a new survey gender on the ballot, a joint project by a couple groups in d.c. provided exclusively to axios that showed that 39% of democratic women say they will be more involved in this election compared to 23% of republican women who said the
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same. >> let's talk a little bit about the impeachment trial and in particular the 2020 candidates, how they are faring with everything. how are they handling both the trial and the, i guess, campaigning ahead of the iowa caucuses? >> in my conversations with various campaign aides and folks close to 2020 democratic campaigns yesterday it's clear they are taking this one day and maybe even one hour at a tame. the conversations that i had with campaigns a few weeks ago or even a few days ago rather about their plans for this week have already sort of been blown up as some have realized the impeachment trial is going to keep them a lot longer than they thought. a couple ways senators bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are trying to balance the impeachment trial and campaigning is that they're deploying these sort of high profile sur gts to iowa and new hampshire, places they can't be when they're stuck here in washington. so jonathan van ness the star of ""queer eye"" is going to support warren in iowa and aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez is going to help bernie sanders campaign in iowa. >> do you know if there's any
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plan with regards to lead up of the caucuses. 24 hours before the caucuses they could still very much be in a senate impeachment trial in washington, d.c. versus knocking on doors. >> that's right. a couple of the senators have been floating ideas of doing teletown halls and live streaming themselves or surrogates or campaign staff from d.c. to folks not just in iowa, but in new hampshire and really around the country because that face-to-face time with voters is invaluable a few weeks before the iowa caucus. they need to make sure they're making their closing arguments, especially as moderates like joe biden and pete buttigieg are free to talk to iowa voters while progressives are stuck on the hill with impeachment. >> what should we be watching for in the senate trial? i know you are down in d.c., you have a better pulse of what's going on than we do up here, where should we be focused on? >> a lot of distractions but a few things to focus on to help you sort through what's going on with impeachment. obviously the rules of engagement, that really matters,
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how much time house impeachment managers have to present their case. we saw mitch mcconnell already change from two days to three days to give these folks an opportunity to do that. chief justice john roberts role in all of this will be something to watch. of course the way that trump responds and what trump does. and any new information that people watching and people on the hill are getting that we didn't necessarily have during the house impeachment trial i think is really important to focus on as we're watching what's happening in the senate. >> what are you also hearing with regards to susan collins, lisa murkowski, the mitt romneys of the world as to which way they are swaying these days? >> we know based on polling that has come out in the last few days they are already under water this terms of favorability in their states because of what's happening with impeachment. we have seen some senators like lisa murkowski ask mitch mcconnell for more time in hearing the case and even being open to the idea of potentially having additional witnesses, but we are also watching certain democratic senators like doug jones of alabama, kyrsten sinema
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of arizona and joe march inn of west virginia who are in tight races because of impeachment and other things and will have to really balance this carefully. >> alexa, thank you. you can sign up for that newsletter by going to signup.axios.com. >> that does it for us on this wednesday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ first of all, could i have a round of applause? >> please clap. >> you have to clap for this. >> it's when you guys are supposed to cheer, okay? all right. >> so can i look to you to spread that sense of hope to those that you know? come on. >> no, he is not going in that category. he is too adorable.
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>> by the way, i think that is a good category to be in, having fun with the crowd. >> former mayor pete buttigieg yesterday in iowa adding to our list of great moments in political persuasion. good morning and welcome to "morning joe," it is wednesday, january 22nd. along with joe, willie and me we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments elise jordan. white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire and msnbc national affairs analyst, co-host of show time's "the circus" and editor and chief of the recount, john heilemann is with us. great group. >> i did want to say really quickly, willie geist, just for the record, i'm still defending jeb after all these years. >> no. >> i was just going to say that. >> i like jeb. >> that's an example of a guy that was having fun, dry humor, tongue in cheek and everybody's hair caught on fire. how sad and how pathetic tha

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