indeed, the truth has already come out and the only question is, do you want to hear it now? you want to know the full truth now? >> the late house manager speaking not only to the 100 u.s. senators in attendance, but to the country as a whole as democrats continue to lay out their case for removing the 45th president of the united states from office. on day one of the trial, the senate voting almost exclusively along party lines 53 to 47 to establish ground rules for the proceedings and rejecting democratic efforts to compel key witness testimony that was not included during the house impeachment inquiry. however, the adopted resolution does allow democrats to renew their motion to subpoena witnesses and additional documents following opening statements by house managers and trump's defense team later this week. here are some other key numbers to look out for as part of the impeachment trial. democrats would need to flip at

least four gop members to get the 51 votes neated to allow witnesses and documents. that is without losing any democratic senators to the republican side. the most recent reuters poll finds that 84% of democrats and 69% of republicans are in favor of allowing witnesses to testify. to put a finer point on this, republican refusal to allow witnesses is actually not just out of sync with the country, but out of sync with republicans. here is a look at some republican senators who may play a key role in determining whether or not witnesses will be allowed. we put them into two categories. the first group we classify is looking to do the right thing. lamar alexander of tennessee lisa murkowski of alaska and richard burr of north carolina. none are up for re-election this term. alexander is retiring and all have at some time or another demonstrated their willingness to part ways with trump. group two are facing

re-elections and being primaried from the right if they split with trump or being defeated by the democrats if they don't. susan collins of maine, cory gardner of colorado, martha mcsally of arizona and tom ti tillis. 49% saying yes and 48% saying no. when it comes to the actual act of removing the president from office. a two-thirds vote of the entire upper house of congress meaning 67 out of 100 senators need to vote in favor of impeachment. that, by all estimates, is a high bar. with me from washington, nbc news correspondent heidi, former senior adviser to president obama and now president and ceo at the senator for american progress nara and house spemich

steele. thank you for joining us. heidi, let's start with you. the stakes this week higher than they were last week. we got strong presentations from the democratic house managers, we then got theomeeni ompening statements from the president's team and this is the week where senators could ask questions and make a decision on whether to vote on witnesses and documents. so this week matters. >> this is the week where we are going to see whether this is going to be in the estimation by those percentages you just provided. the american people get the trial that they want. a real trial that has witnesses. again, we need to keep reminding people, ali, that never in the history of this country have we had a senate impeachment trial without actual witnesses. republicans point out fairly that they had witnesses in the house, but that wasn't the trial. this is the trial. so, it is conceivable that by

wednesday or thursday including these questioning periods, we will know whether these republican senators are going to vote for witnesses. pretty clear that the vulnerable republicans that you just put up on the screen like joni ernst and thom tillis. they have given indications that they are not going to vote in favor of witnesses. the question really comes down to folks like lamar alexander. i was told by those in the chamberous that as adam schiff made his closing arguments he was looking into eyes of the senators like lisa murkowski about the need to search for the moral courage to make the right vote in favor of witnesses. >> michael steele. what about the point that in fact republican senators who are not interested in witnesses are out of sync with main stream

republican polling and largely out of sync with history. we showed what lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell said in 1998 compared to what they said now. it doesn't make sense. what is the danger? if we're not going to get 67 republican senators voting to oust the president and there aren't a lot of people, including on this panel, who think that will happen. what is the danger of having the fairest trial possible? >> i think a lot of the republican senators believe it is the house's responsibility to make the case for impeachment. that the house chose not to go to court to compel the testimony of these administration officials. not the senate's job to now do the house's work and with voters about to start voting in iowa, the election process has begun and it's going to be up to the voters in less than ten months to decide whether this president remains in office dragging this process out right now when the conclusion is a foregone conclusion is not a good use of time and not the right thing to do. >> i have people say the senate

is not that busy. what if it takes two more weeks. the senate has had 67 amendments in the last three years. the house has passed 300 pieces of legislation. i'm making these numbers up, but something like that. senators get paid a lot of money to do kind of nothing. >> i think the senators want to get back to on the republican side confirming judges and creating the more leaning court that they can and i think, again, you have to respect the role of the voters in this situation. the democratic primary process is under way. voters are going to start voting in iowa and then new hampshire. we are on track to have an election in less than ten months. >> nara, the president just tweeted. he tweeted a lot this week. kind of impossible. it's a full-time job. i asked my boss if i could not anchor tv and just follow the president's tweets. this morning he tweeted, it was amazing to watch three days of arguments dismantled in two hours and s shifty adam schiff

has not paid the price for what he has done to the country. democrats want to create the idea there is all this smoke so people think there is fire. it makes zero sense what the democrats are accusing him of. he's quoting fox and friends in that particular incident. the impeachment hoax is a massive election interference the likes of which have never been seen before. in just two hours the radical deft do nothing democrats have seen their phony. i'm not asking you to figure out what the president means, my larger point is that there are a bunch of people who are not watching me this morning. if you are watching me, call your friends and please ask them to watch, but a lot of americans not watching me this morning. they are watching a tv channel or watching tweets and watching things on social media or conspiracy sites in which they will not see this trial. they will not hear what

so-called shifty schiff ever said. what happens there? >> i mean, obviously, the president has an iron clad hold on his base, but his base is not a majority of the american people and his base does not win a majority in colorado and does not win a majority in arizona and does not win a majority in maine. i think the truth is the president wants to convince his base he's innocent. but the strategy of the republicans, you know, he's -- we could be in a situation here where they never have witnesses. the majority of the american people think he's guilty and he has to live with those co consequen consequences. michael just made this case. they want voters to decide. but voters aren't the public and the public is saying right now, give us witnesses because most people recognize a trial has witnesses. and i really think the danger

for trump, but also republican senators is that the public will think. it's very easy for them to think that this was basically a rigged situation where they didn't have witnesses like every american would have witnesses and every time the president tweets, it reminds me, at least, he could testify. i mean, it's not like he's silent on the process here. feel free to testify and prove your innocence. >> thank you to the three of you kicking it off for us. joining me now from chicago raja who is a member of the house intelligence committee. i want to take what michael steel said to me, congressman, good to see you, by the way. and put it to you. the house decided not to go to court to compel certain people to testify who did not agree to testify. so, i think two pieces to address here. one reason the house doesn't have as complete a record as it would like to have is because you wanted people to testify who either refused or were refused by the administration to

testify. so, the idea that you didn't pursue that in court is now a talking point that if you thought it was that important, why didn't you? >> well, i think that the lead impeachment manager chairman schiff outlined very well in the closing of the opening statements last week. namely that basically it takes months, if not years, to go through the process of trying to enforce the subpoena based on our experience last year with some other subpoenas. and essentially what the president would be doing is he'd be able to time his own impeachment to the point where perhaps a subpoena would not be enforced until after the election. and at that point the whole issue is moot. that's why it's so important to press forward and important in this case given the enormous evidence that was already gathered to move to the next step, which was taking the

impeachment vote and bring it to the senate where, as you know, the senate can subpoena witnesses and the chief justice of the supreme court is presiding. >> so, as a lawyer, tell me how you make this case. the idea is we couldn't do it in a timely fashion. we got a lot of information. clearly, house managers and members of the democratic conference believe that there is enough evidence to impeach because you all voted for impeachment. but, the senate has other tools and similar tools that it can use to compel people to testify. and by the way, the big magic one is john bolton who has said now that he will testify. >> correct. >> what is your argument to people who say, why didn't you call him? he wasn't coming when you called him. >> exactly. we try pd heap basically said we're going to litigate this to death and now we learned that he is willing to testify in the senate. one other thing, which is very important, which is time is of the essence. there is an ongoing crime, you

know, as alleged by democrats and we believe that military assistance to ukraine is still being conditioned to some degree in a white house meeting to some degree on how the ukrainians behave and we don't know if this is happening in other contexts, as well. i think we have to move quickly to prevent this from happening not only with ukraine, but in any other context, as well. >> congressman, what is the message that you want to send to the senators to say this week, this is the opportunity to get this right. if they make a decision, possibly next saturday or sunday in a vote to not call these witnesses, what's the consequence of that for your house? for the people's house, congress. >> well, i think it could be

grave. as lead impeachment manager schiff said, the truth will come out. when it comes out, i think these senators who basically voted 10 or 11 times last week to block any additional witnesses from coming forward or any additional documents are going to have to wre reckon with an electorate who says, where were you when these votes were taken and now we learned that x has come out. so, i think that for those people whether they want to do the right thing as you have mentioned or concerned about their electoral prospects, they need to think really hard about, do they want to beong the wrong side of that question in the future? i respectfully submit for them it would pea much better for them to know what is the full truth and then once they take their vote, they can say, we let all the evidence. >> ocome out on the table. >> i appreciate you being on the show with me and this is my

first weekend outing in my new time slot and i don't want to make it a habit of reading trump tweets but there is another one and we just put it up and i want to know if it troubles you, it troubles me. shifty adam schiff is a corrupt politician and probably a very sick -- a human would find that a little threatening. a little dangerous. >> absolutely. we've seen him do this with regard to witnesses. i'm sure you remember what he said about michael cohen and so forth and to do that with regard to a member of congress is especially galling because there are a lot of people out there that are potentially sick and depraved that pay attention to the literal kind of words of his tweets. so, you know, i think that is why, you know, we have to be onguard and, obviously, adam

schiff is doing an excellent job and i think he has to continue and press forward and we are going to back him up. >> congressman, good to see you, as always. >> thank you, ali. >> member of the house intelligence committee. make sure to keep it tuned in here at 10:00 a.m. eastern when val demings speaks with joy as the impeachment trial enters its second week. we have brand-new poll numbers out of new hampshire. we'll bing you the results. those numbers come just as iowa's largest newspaper announces its pick in the 2020 teme democratic race for president. it is leaving the candidate positively dancing. we'll talk to the executive editor of "des moines register" right after the break. it honey,. when you want it. you get a delivery experience you can always count on. you get your perfect find at a price to match, on your own schedule.

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a big endorsement in iowa last night. here is senator elizabeth warren dancing after learning that the des moines register had endorsed her for president of the united states. the paper saying warren is the best leader for these times who

will, quote, push an unequal america in the right direction. but some areas where the register disagreed with warren warning some of her policies structuring big change go too far but that she is pushing in the right direction. the paper also offered warren some advice, quote, unifying the country may not be possible, but to gain the support required to govern, she must show that her vision will lift people up rather than divide them. joining me now is the executive eder it of "the des moines register" carol hunter. carol, thank you for joining me. tell me about this decision. this does follow on a big endorsement from "new york times" earlier in the week for elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar. it does not suggest a full throated defense or support of elizabeth warren's policies but of the candidates running she represents the best outcome. >> yes. we really like many of the

candidates running this cycle on the democratic side. in some ways, you wish you could take parts of each and combine them. but we really believe that elizabeth warren would push the country in the right direction. we ask ourselves a simple question. who would be the best leader and especially in these times, america has the highest income inequality in a half century. elizabeth warren has rebuilding the middle class her life's work and that became a main factor in our decision. >> i want to read a paragraph from this in which you say that with more detail. at this moment, our country needs more. signed laws and effective regulations. we need a president committed to bringing our troops home from open ended and the american dream is at risk and the idea that someone that works hard and plays by the rules can get ahead and that their children will do even better. with warren, the oval office

will be occupied by someone who has made rebuilding the middle class her life's work. when you get past the politics that occupy our air waves most of the time, the question you are addressing and your editorial board is addressing is the intractable problem of our time. the threat to prosperity in america. >> yes. which is why we ended up thinking that that was the most important factor to weigh upon. it also factored in that with many of these issues, the democratic candidates line-up very closely with one another. perhaps only on health care with the divide over medicare for all and a public option. is there much daylight. but elizabeth warren brings a special expertise that we think is needed for these times. i mean, she helped set up the consumer finance bureau and

expert in bankruptcy law. in many ways she really knows the policies that could help start tilting the country back so that the middle class and working class have a fighting chance. >> as you point out, she was a registered republican until 1996 and that she is, in fact, a capitalist, despite some painting her as a socialist. carol, thank you for joining us. executive editor for "des moines register." the trump white house plans to add seven new countries subject to travel restrictions. those countries and why the administration is plowing ahead with its travel ban expansion, when we come back. apps are used everywhere...

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while most of the nation has been focused on trump's impeachment trial his administration enrolled a new travel ban. the original travel ban included five muslim majority nations along with north korea and venezuela. it's been in place since 2017. according to a report by politico, the countries under consideration include, while they would have you think we're getting the world's masses and

some think we should take those people, the truth is most people who apply for visas from those countries are some of the best and brightest minds coming to america for higher education, work or to start businesses. immigrants in general are a major net economic contributor. refugees take longer to get there but they ultimately do, as their children. these policies force them to go else where and places like my other home country, canada, are appreciative of america's flawed policies. trump's state department headed pie mike pompeo cut the number of visas issued from banned countries from 2017 to 2018. iranians mostly university students dropped from over 6,000 to about 1,400. while visas issued to syrians dropped from 2,500 to just 883, according to state department data. to get a visa into the united states is notoriously difficult,

even once the visa is issued, it can be revoked with no explanation. just this fall, nearly 20 iranian students headed for p preteejs universities and master programs saw their visas revoked. all were turned away in the united states before boarding or before boarding the plane in iran or through their trip despite hitting all established criteria. with me now to discuss what this all means is harvard law school distinguished fellow and a gold star father. gentlema gentlemen, thank you for being with us. mr. kahn, let me start with you. a family of immigrants that came to america to live the american dream and your son did what so many immigrant children have done, they joined the military. and in your case, your family gave the ultimate sacrifice. i want you to sort of let us know. you carry the american constitution around with you and gives it to people. what we need to be thinking

about immigrants and how we need to be thinking about immigrants in this country. >> well, first, ali, congratulations for your new time slot to you and your team. and thank you for being democracy and our free press is wise of democracy. >> thank you, sir. >> this expansion of travel ban is nothing but for political purposes. as the administration realizes the increasing deficit of trust of donald trump among americans, more and more americans are discovering that this person does not deserve the second chance. and they're realizing it and they're now expanding this travel ban, unamerican, illegal travel ban and they will continue to do so in creating hate ask division, they are

attacking our heroes. colonel windman came to this country 3 years old and look what both have done. they have become our heroes. vindman and same thing with our ambassador yovanovitch. our hero. what this administration is doing, attacking them. attacking our heroes that have contributed so very much to the well being and the strength of this country. same thing immigrants contribute to technology. they contribute to education. to our armed forces. there are thousands of immigrants, first generation immigrants that are serving in our armed forces. in our law enforcement and our intelligence. so, this is nothing but political purposes to sew more

hate and the deficit that is increasing and the deficit of trust and the ability of this president to america is they're noticing it is increasing and they will continue to do not only this expansion, but more worse than this will continue to come as they get close to the election. but the good thing out of this is, majority of america is realizing that this is for political self-interest, not for the goodness of this country. >> what kazir speaks is to our souls as americans whether you're from here or ninth generation here or an immigrant like i am. but what you have studied and spoken to speaks to our pocketbooks, to our economy. the extent to which our economy depends on getting the best and brightest from the world. something that america has worked decades, hundreds of

years to do. we have succeeded in this. and now we are turning some of these people away. >> ali, this is a problem that has been going on for about a decade now. that our flawed policies have been turning away the world's best and brightest. when we were talking about, america had the majority of the world billion dollar start ups, unicorns. now china has a majority. now we're terrified about china's progress in 5g and worried about the social needia companies and tomorrow worried about synthetic biology and we're losing our competitiveness rapidly. what we should be doing, what the trump administration should have done is to reverse everything and say, we're going to bring in the world's best and brightest and make america the most competitive country in the world. instead they have said, hey, we're going to close the doors and kick you out. self-inflicted wounds, it doesn't make sense.

>> not just the ones we are not letting in and not the ones we just described turning them away on the plane. having an effect the people have on their home countries and where to go. when i speak to canadian officials, fantastic, america, keep doing this. we are getting in canada, these students who are saying, i'm not going to apply to the u.s. university and i'll go to canada where they seem to like that i'm here. >> the top students abroad india, china and even in europe and south america don't see america as a best place to come any more. you know, we are still getting lots of applications but it's second, third-year students. the best and the broilightest c do better else where. we are hurting ourselves. >> what do you do? what do you say because you are somebody who has instilled a remarkable patriotism in your family. you have lost a son for the flag of this country and the things it stands for.

it is economics, but more than that. the idea that the fabric of our country has been built and always has been built on immigration. >> i continue to share our faith and our trust in the goodness of america. i implore my friends and the people that get in touch with me to read the declaration of independence and read grievance number seven out of 18 where forefathers have said that king is not allowing us to have more immigration because immigrants make this nation stronger and better and that is so true even today. so, i asked them to read the constitution and i implore, again, the president who continues to read the article two. but, please read article one first and then read article two and the saga of impeachment will become to him and then, of course, article three and other

amendments. so, to those who are concerned about the goodness of america, this is temporary. this anomaly is momentary. this will be on its way to be the leader of the world and the country of hope and aspiration one more time. >> still a good moment when three people who were not born in this country can gather on this show to talk about its greatness and its future and our optimism about it. i thank you, both, for that. thank you, gentlemen. can a secret vote be the key to bringing witnesses into the impeachment trial? we'll talk to one of the country's foremost constitutional scholars whose latest book happens to be about impeachment. laurence tribe joins us next. ud ...with this.

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said he would not repeat some not so kind after a book is bringing questions of the president's defense. back with me, heidi przbola. what did you dig up with alan dershowitz. >> lay out the constitutional case in defense of president trump tomorrow, nbc looked at some of his pretty recent writings and what we found was a 2016 book entitled a guide for unaroused voters. in there we found some pretty interesting views about the man who he is now defending. i'm going to read you some of the key excerpts from the book. he called trump, quote, destabilizing and unpredictable candidate. openly embraces fringe conspiracy theories and prepared to violate existing international and domestic laws and lurched into the realm by half-heartedly courting the support of white nationalist

bigots. now in a call with nbc, dershowitz stressed i was campaigning for hillary clinton at the time and it was just typical campaign rhetoric. i would not repeat that characterization today having met him. dershowitz said he voted for hillary clinton but i reached out to the hillary clinton campaign and no one there has any recollection of dershowitz doing anything in coordination with the campaign. ali? >> he is sort of trying to put a face on this saying i am on all sides and i didn't like trump in the beginning. is he sticking by this? he can't deny it. it's his publication, his words. >> we have a copy of the book. we can get it on amazon for $8. he is not denying what he said. but this does add to the bench of the president's most ardent defenders who harshly criticized him just as recently as 2016,

including lindsey graham. dershowitz has since then made a name for himself. the celebrity defense lawyer including oj and defending president trump the past few years across the airwaves. >> heidi, we're grateful for your reporting. house managers led by intel chairman adam schiff laid out an extensive outline this past week and even several republican senators complimented the closing statements including senator lindsey graham who said, schiff, quote, did a good job of taking bits and pieces of evidence and e-mails and giving a rhetorical flourish. republicans grew angry on friday with the chairman after he put into the record that the white house threatened them. adam schiff is standing by his decision on "meet the press."

>> it will require moral courage to stand up to this president and this is a raffle and vindictive president. i don't think there is any doubt about it. if you think there is, look at the president's tweets about me today saying i should pay a price. >> you take that as a threat? >> i think it is intended to be. >> all right. will congressman schiff's comment backfire. i got an expert to answer that question, but i'm going to answer it already and say probably not. joining me now is renowned harvard scholar laurence tribe who has been advising adam schiff on the process and author of "to end a presidency." lar larry, it is weird to me that anyone would be offended by the record whether the report was accurate or not. donald there umpthreateaw donald trump threatens everybody all the time.

>> i agree with you. the fact that this is a vindictive president and the fact that he threatens everybody is common knowledge. part of what made adam schiff's presentation so pouswerful he i reporting on things that we know are true about this president even though people don't feel free to say it out loud. >> schiff was a student of yours, by the way. a lot of people who have seen him on tv over the last couple years and they don't know who he is. and he is fine in tv interviews, but the presentation he gave on the floor of the senate was more than fine. you told my producer that you believe schiff's role will make a difference in a country struggling to get past this terrible crisis. tell me what you mean pby that. >> first of all, i want to say adam was one of my most brilliant students up there with the chief justice who was another student of mine. i think adam is more deeply

inspiring in what he feels free to say. i think what he said will make a difference for years, regardless of the outcome of this trial. he really invoked the angels of our better nature. when he said america deserves a fair trial. she has earned it. he really spoke to something that the overwhelming majority of americans believe. he is able to put into words our most fundamental commitments. i think kind of whitewash acquittal which might be where this all ends up is going to last much less long in our history than some of what adam schiff has said, which is really going to be the message. >> there are concerns we discussed them over the last week about the damage of the institution to the senate if a fair trial is not held. a fair trial with witnesses and documents. you have a different concern. you're concerned about what donald trump will do when he thought he got off scott free after the mueller investigation,

he went and called the president of ukraine and started a new deal. most of us would probably be chasing for a little while and try to keep our heads low. your concern if donald trump, again, seems to escape unscathed his behavior might become more erratic. >> has every danger of that. in fact, the first article of impeachment explicitly charges that the president by usurping congress' power of the purse and by soliciting the interference of a foreign government in our election and doing it in a way that endangers national security and the system of democracy has shown a proclivity to undermine our democratic republic. that's what the first article charges. the label, abuse of power, is something that, for example, alan dershowitz, abuse of power is not an impeachable offense. he puts it in crazy term.

he says only crimes or crime-like acts are impeachment. my bet is that he'll pull back from that argument tomorrow given how inconsistent it is with what hamilton said, what madison said with our whole history and he'll simply argue, look at the label, abuse of power. that's too vague. but, you know, the chief justice of the united states in his opinion upholding the affordable care act as a tax said the fact that it is labeled a penalty doesn't matter. our whole constitutional history teaches that the constitutionality of what congress does is not dependent on semantic dissection of the label of the chapter. i really think that is part of the trump defense team's technique of distracting from the real issues. >> and, by the way, if dershowitz, doesn't pull back from that argument he will be in

direct contrast to the position that he held in the 1998 impeachment of bill clinton. lar larry, good to see you, as always. author of "to end a presidency." the fight over fact and fiction is going to become a matter of life and death. we'll go to the reporters who have been covering the conspiracy theory for years. the conspiracy theory for years. sol only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture, now might not be the best time to ask yourself, 'are my bones strong?' life is full of make or break moments. that's why it's so important to help reduce your risk of fracture with prolia®. only prolia® is proven to help strengthen and protect bones from fracture with 1 shot every 6 months. do not take prolia® if you have low blood calcium,

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the growth of disinformation over the last few years seems to only be increasing as snu conspiracy theories, deep fakes and manipulated content continue to saturate the internet and social media. typically conspiracy theories tend to live in the corners of the dark web on platforms like 4chan racking up likes and clicks and views on mainstream social media and the most recent target is krone virus. fake stories have been flooding the internet claiming the growing health crisis of the coronovirus is a hoax. these are not true. coronovirus is serious, has killed over 50 people. there are nearly 2,000 cases active in mainland china. more than 40 confirmed cases in 13 different places outside china and cities across china are shutting down in terms of movement in and out of them. a single fake story about a supposed coronovirus patient from 2015 circulated on the internet, receiving thousands of

views on different platforms. the patent was submitted for the avian strain, the bird strain of coronovirus. groups like the world health organization and centers for disease control are seeing conspiracy theories that has led to the reemergence of measles. that's according to the centers for disease control. nearly 61,000 americans die of the flu every year, yet only half of all americans actually get a flu shot. those recommended to get them by the cdc. with our own president touting false stories and discrediting his own agencies in the media, taming down the misinformation becomes all the more difficult. with me now as a regular part of this show, nbc reporters brandy sa dros any and ben collins, my friends who dwell in the darkest

corners of social media, identifying where these things come from. this is a serious issue. a lot of the coverage of coronovirus is being squeezed out because of impeachment and things going on in the 2020 campaign. if dealt properly, we can avoid a lot of deaths. if dealt with improperly, people may die because they don't know the truth. >> it's thriving on fear that says it's not your fault you're not hearing about this because impeachment is going on and all this stuff. it's because the government is shutting it down. they don't want you to know it's patented by bill gates, a big thing going around on facebook right now. there's a cottage industry on facebook of drumming up fear and selling solutions based on the fear. don't get a vaccine, get these supplements. >> brandy, this is weird. if you don't know your way around conspiracies on the internet, health issues are one

of the most prominent conspiracies out there. >> 100%. the most shared, commented engaged with article about cancer all of last year,over twice a reputable one was something about cancer being -- we already had a cure but big pharma and the government were keeping it from you. that was 5 million people shared, liked, commented. it's terrifying out there. we might have been focusing on impeachment this week, but coronovirus was top trending on twitter. people are sharing these videos thousands of times and facebook is doing something about it which is the main carrier of these things. they're trying to -- not letting it go as far as it usually does, they're having warning labels. they're trying to do something about it, too. the cat is out of the bag. this is the super bowl for anti vaccination, for q anon, they

banded together. even white sprem sifts jumped on the bus. they can spread thoechltz everybody piled on. this was a big, big deal and spread a lot of misinformation. >> quickly, ben. if people wonder how these things affect democracy, health is a great place to look at it. this will kill people if you get the wrong information. >> once you start batting done institutions and don't trust the government, this is where it gets truly dangerous. if you say don't trust the government, that means don't trust the cdc. the cdc gives you actual advice tested and backed by science. whuns you start telling people to not trust that stuff, trust other random people on facebook, that's where it gets really dangerous. what if it does become big enough so people need to take real advice and we don't have an answer for that. >> the two of you spend all your time figuring out these things, discerning truth from

falsehoods. we appreciate that. we're going to make this a regular part of the show where you can let our viewers know where to get the best information and how they fight misinformation and disinformation. i'm grateful for the two of you doing this. i'll see you blight and early every weekend. coming up at the top of the hour, impeachment house manager val demings talks with joy reid. keep it tuned right here on msnbc. c. it's a lifelong adventure finding all of these new connections all the time. greater details. richer stories. and now with health insights. get your dna kit at ancestry.com. this round's on me.eat. hey, can you spot me? come on in. find your place today, with silversneakers.

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that's it for me. the secret is i moved to weekends just so i could spend more time with joy reid. thank you for watching. "am joy" with my buddy joy reid begins right now. lawyer lawsuits? lawyer lawsuits? we're talking about the impeachment of a president of the united states duly elected, and the members, the managers are complaining about lawyer lawsuits? the constitution allows lawyer lawsuits. it's disrespecting the constitution of the united states to say that in this chamber, lawyer lawsuits. good morning and welcome to "am joy." that rant you just heard from donald trump's personal lawyer jay sekulow encapsulates trump's world strategy for his impeachment trial. that is, avoid all the overwhelming evidence in the case and winge about the