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good day, everyone. from here at msnbc world headquarters. the impeachment trial heading into its second week with more defense arguments tomorrow. the question of whether the senate will call witnesses still pending. here is what house managers, jurors and trump lawyers said today on the sunday shows. >> i think they are afraid of what witnesses will have to say. >> it looks like they are asking the senate to be special counsel, go search, go seek out. that's not really the task of

the senate. >> do you believe you are casting your vote for the people that elected you or are you casting your vote based on your interpretation of the oath you took? >> it's a tricky combination of both. >> what i want my colleagues to do is to join us in giving the witnesses. >> the chief justice of the united states is presiding over this trial. if he signs a subpoena for a witness to come, we're going to get that witness. >> if they are successful in depriving the country of a fair trial, there's no exoneration. americans will recognize that the country did not get what the founders intended. >> they put together a broad, comprehensive case, but it was circumstantial in nature. >> i have been confused the entire time with the house managers trying to say, if the president is asking ukraine for additional information about the 2016 election, then that must be interfering in the 2020 election, never made sense to me. >> they completely failed to

meet that high constitutional standard. therefore, it wouldencon s unconstitutional to remove a president based on the allegations made against him. >> i send this to the president and his defenders. nobody is above the law. up to and including the president of the united states. >> those sunday talk shows providing us much to talk about on the impeachment trial. the big story this hour, president trump taking aim at lead house impeachment manager adam schiff. the president calling the democrat a corrupt politician on twitter. trump said he has not paid the price yet for what he has done. congressman schiff reacting on "meet the press." >> i made the argument that it's going to require moral courage to stand up to this president. and this is a vindictive president. i don't think there's any doubt about it. if you think there is, look at

the tweets about me today saying that i should pay a price. >> you take that as a threat? >> i think it's intended to be. >> however, some of the pre president's defenders are viewing his tweets differently. >> i don't think it's a death threat. >> i don't understand why you are offended at what adam schiff said. >> it's political. what he is saying is political. what the president is saying, he will be held to a price. i'm offended because adam schiff believes the only reason we act the way we do is because the president is going to put our head on a pike. >> we are hearing from the president's defense team. hans nichols is at the white house. let's get to the defense strategy. how is it shaping up for tomorrow? >> reporter: you see two parts. number one, they are doing a victory lap after two hours of their opening preview of their defense saying that in the last two hours, that they did more

work than all the house impeachment managers. that's on the negative side. on the positive side, they seem to be -- alan dershowitz said the house managers did a decent job. >> i think they presented the strongest case they could present on their facts, but they didn't come close to alleging impeachable offenses. the conduct has to be criminal in nature. it can't be abuse of power. it can't be obstruction of congress. >> reporter: there's tension between those two statements. you have the white house press secretary saying the defense team did a great job and the prosecutors didn't get close. then you have dershowitz acknowledging the house managers did do an adequate job. at this point, the conversation is less about politics, less about legal arguments and about a mathematical argument. that is, are there four senate votes to require to vote for additional witnesses?

on that question, lofgren didn't know. they don't know if they have three. the white house doesn't know. there's a great deal of uncertainty there. i would caution everybody as we move forward towards potential calling of witnesses later in the week, that until we hear directly from those senators, a lot of this is just guess work. we need to wait to he's from those senators. then we will have a better sense how much longer, if at all, this trial will go. >> point well taken. you are right on. thank you for that. let's head to capitol hill where all this will unfold tomorrow. leigh ann caldwell standing by. walk us through what is happening, when these arguments resume and how long this might take. >> reporter: sure. it resumes tomorrow at 1:00, same as it did all last week. we got a short preview yesterday of what the white house defense team is going to say. perhaps a more mild version as well. we expect them to come out much more strongly, perhaps, tomorrow

and with their tv-made attorneys, including ken starr for shock value, alan dershowitz, both of those attorneys, of course, played a big role during the clinton impeachment. dershowitz previewed what he was going to say talking about how congress is overreaching here. we can expect a lot of that tomorrow. the big question though is how long they are going to take. they have used two of their 24 allotted hours. we heard a lot of complaints from republicans over the past few days that the democrats, the house managers were really repetitive. so it seems like breavity might be a key point. they might finish up tomorrow and they might maybe go into tuesday. we will have to wait to see. the week does start in ernest tomorrow again at 1:00. >> we have our watch clocks set for that. joining me now jeff mason.

let's get the reaction from the white house to last week's impeachment trial and the expectations going into tomorrow. how do you read it? >> reporter: i think so far that they are pleased with the fact it's their turn. whether rightly or wrongly, they have been arguing for some time that the white house hasn't had a chance to defend the president against the allegations that the impeachment managers laid out. now they are doing that. we saw opening statements about that on saturday. it was interesting. i went in for most of them on capitol hill. it was striking to me the difference in styles between some of the attorneys. but in general, their key argument seems to be or has been, look, the president just did nothing wrong. the democratic house managers of this impeachment trial have not proven their case. i think we're going to see more of the nitty-gritty in the coming two days. in general, that argument that the president did nothing wrong, that he has been unfairly -- this has been an unfair process and house democrats are trying to steal an election are themes

we will continue to hear. >> is there concern being expressed by the white house about wild card republicans, those who would potentially vote for witnesses? >> reporter: they tell us they are prepared for any scenario. i think in general, they are not concerned about that at this point. we will see. as hans said, we won't know until after the first couple days or the next couple of days of these arguments how the senate decides to vote. in general, this white house has shown a lot of confidence. keep in mind, one of the main aspects of the trump team strategy is do no harm, because they know that they can, for the most part, be confident that the senate is going to acquit this president. they don't want to do anything that's going to rock the boat with that small handful of moderate senators who might vote for witnesses or perhaps anything else. >> let's play for our viewers something that senator ted cruz

said talking about how republicans will not simply vote to dismiss but rather to acquit the president. here is that. >> i don't think you will see a motion to dismiss. it will be initially a vote on witnesses. if we vote no additional witnesses are necessary, i think the next vote you will see is a motion to proceed to final judgment. i think it's a better outcome for the president and the country for him to be acquitted, not dismiss and throw the case out, but reach final judgment and find the president not guilty. that's going to be the end of this. >> do you get a sense all senators, jeff, are so obvious about why acquittal is a better option than dismissal for them and for the president? >> reporter: well, i can't say for all senators. but i think that what senator cruz said is in line with what the president wants. this president wants to be exonerated. he feels like he has been unfairly accused. he feels like he has been unfairly targeted since the beginning of his presidency. i think it would work better for

him and the way that senator cruz laid it out. get him an actual acquittal that says, look, this was not proven, he is not guilty. >> okay. jeff mason, guilty of always being great. thank you so much. the other big headline, the iowa caucus is eight days away. in 16 days, the new hampshire primary. a new poll of the granite state shows sanders leading the democratic field at 22%. the state's largest paper is now endorsing senator klobuchar. calling the minnesota democrat sharp and witty. iowa's top newspaper endorsing senator warren. the paper's editorial board writing, at this moment when the fabric of american life is at stake, warren is the president this nation needs. it is senator bernie sanders who is leading democrats in the hawkeye state. a "new york times" poll shows

the senator with 25% support there. with us is brittany shepherd. welcome back to the broadcast. all of today's big 2020 headlines feature senators who spent all week serving as jurors in trump's impeachment trial. what does that tell us? do you think their time off the trail is helping or hurting them? do you get a sense of the way it's weighing in? >> it points to the fact that voters in iowa don't care in those last crucial days, because they are getting face time with either the candidates via commercials or ads or their surrogates. aoc is a strong endorser for bernie sanders. that play is working out for them. i think bernie's camp is doing a victory lap. we told you so. folks in d.c. might have been prognosticating, myself included, that this might have a big hurt to them. even though hillary clinton is

saying people don't like bernie sanders in d.c., obviously in iowa, that's not the case. >> what about the new nbc news poll we saw? it shows sanders leading in new hampshire. we showed you a poll from a "new york times" that shows him winning as well. if he wins with a with a s iowa hampshire, do you think that gives him momentum or is there a long ways to go? >> there is some ground to go from here, especially when we hit south carolina. i do think it's important that you notice both new hampshire and iowa, because these caucuses don't have a vacuum. it's being able to coalition build. that's what skrjoe biden says hs good at. so these candidates can win all the caucuses and primaries they want. if they are not able to convince black voters in the south, democratic black voters to vote

for them, they will hit a wall come super tuesday. >> which joe biden leads by a long shot margin there in south carolina at this point. here is something interesting. you have sanders leading the polls in iowa and new hampshire. it's warren, klobuchar who obtained endorsement from the papers. what do you think is better, being ahead in the papers or being endorsed on a front page? >> i mean, i think for the candidates, they will take anything they can get. they want both. both amy and elizabeth came off a "new york times" endorsement as well. i think both of those candidates are being cast as unable to break through firewalls that mayor pete and bernie have set. for them to point to the papers and saying the people on the ground like me and my message is important. especially for someone like warren who has been cast as this radical whose policies we can't p pay for. if the look at the endorsement, it puts her in a place to say

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recording that's more than an hour log from lev parnas. that recording appears to be the president talking about various topics, including ukraine. >> how long will they last with a fight with the russians? >> without us, not very much. >> joining me now, carol lamm and michael singleton. welcome to you both. how significant is this audio? >> it's very significant if democrats can convince enough republicans to allow witnesses in the senate. as you articulated in your previous segment before the break, it doesn't appear to be any indication that you will see enough republicans to do so. if that does not occur, i think this would be another revelation that will probably anger and

frustrate voters, but not enough to sway enough republicans in the trial. >> okay. let's take a listen to another clip from the audio there of what appears to be lev parnas talking to the president about former ambassador yovanovitch a full year before she was fired. >> the biggest problem i think is we gotta get rid of the ambassador. she's left over from the clinton administration. she's basically telling everybody, wait, he will get impeached, just wait. >> legally speaking, carol, can this be used as evidence? >> you know, when you talk about what can come into evidence and what can't come into evidence in this impeachment trial, you have to remember that this is not like a regular trial. this is a political process. it's not a court process. what you have not heard here is what you hear in any courtroom when there's a jury, what you have not heard here is any

instruction to the senators saying, don't listen to things that aren't coming in through the impeachment process, don't read the newspaper about this, don't talk to anyone else. in fact, it's the opposite. senators are going out and reading newspapers and talking to staff and making comments to the press. effectively, this is in evidence. barring a senate decision or a chief justice instruction that they are to disregard this tape, they are listening to it and they are considering it. >> okay. what you just said in your last statement about how this may not play into the actual trial itself, but it could play into the way voters consider with their votes in november, do you think these recordings have that kind of an affect? do you think they could last that long? >> i think that depends on democrats' ability to continue to hammer a message to all voters, but specifically voters in key swing states about the president's troubling behavior

throughout this process and making the argument that if the president goes unchecked or if republicans go unchecked, then there is no telling what the next step will be if the president feels vindicated. i think they do have a legitimate case to make to the american voters. maybe even some moderate republican voters may be open to that argument. with that said, i think republicans in the senate are playing a very short-term game. i don't think they are looking beyond 2020 with the election of donald trump. i think democrats have an uncanny opportunity here to articulate their message beyond 2020 that could jeopardize some of the vulnerable republicans who are up for re-election this year in the senate. like susan collins out of maine a and cory gardner and others. >> given the president has said he doesn't know lev parnas, he

attended this dinner. does this bolster the credibility of parnas' case? >> it bolsters parnas' credibility a bit. i don't think it will move the needle for people who have made up their minds essentially. think about what this says about the decision making methodology of donald trump. you have to sort of think a little bit harder about this. lev parnas is an individual who donald trump says he barely knows if at all and he doesn't remember him and he doesn't recognize the name. and yet at this dinner, he is apparently taking at face value what lev parnas said, which is that this woman yovanovitch is a problem and she supports impeachment of donald trump. lev parnas has come out and publically apologized to yovanovitch. he

he apologizes for making that statement. and yet the president of the united states made a decision based on this unsubstantiated statement from a person he claims he didn't know and makes a statement, take her out. i think that's very concerning regarding the way the president of the united states makes personnel decisions in the white house. >> you have done a really good job of sin opaying why that's disturbing. tonight, a sitdown of historical proportions. the first women to ever serve as house managers, they will join kasie dc. just over a week until the iowa caucuses. some senators are doing double duty. how the rest of the field is using the impeachment trial as a chance to get ahead. o get ahead.

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breaking news on the spread of the coronavirus. the state department has announced plans to evacuate personnel from wuhan, china. that's the epicenter of the outbreak. they will start that tuesday. health officials in orange county, california, confirming

the third case of coronavirus in the u.s. there are cases in washington and illinois. in china, construction workers are racing to build temporary hospitals as the death toll and infection rates climb. let's go molly hunter who is joining me as we talk about this. molly, i know we heard about i think it's 15 deaths in the last 24 hours. what more can you tell us about the spread of this frightening disease? >> reporter: good morning. startling numbers. apparently, it's ability to spread is stronger. china's health ministry made a couple important points today. first, the disease can spread during the incubation period. before any patient feels any flu-like symptoms, an unknowning infected patient can be contagious. it will linger. they expect a rise in the number of cases in the next few weeks before it's under control. not just a few cases. they expect 1,000 new cases and that's why they are building

hospitals to get them up and running. the ministry says during the lunar new year holiday is a pretty good time to isolate people, to use those quarantine measu measures. people are at home with their family. one number struck me, consider this. in wuhan, the epicenter, 5 million people have left city for the holidays in the last few days, 9 million people are still there. there are hundreds of americans living in wuhan. nbc news has spoken with a couple. they are nervous. their families are nervous. the u.s. embassy in beijing has been in touch emailing the americans about possible evacuation plans for citizens who may not work for the government. but as they say, every little cough, sneeze, they get more nervous. >> you can imagine. it's quite a story. thank you so much for the update from london. eight days until the iowa

caucuses. democratic hopefuls are not wasting time on the ground. warren has gotten a coveted endorsement. joe biden also getting an endorsement. now a "new york times" poll shows bernie sanders hanging on to a 7% lead over pete buttigieg who comes in second. the hawkeye state is where we find vaughn hilliard. he is following the buttigieg campaign. a welcome to you. we have this new poll with mayor pete in second place in iowa. what's his plan to bounce up to the top? >> reporter: second place in iowa and second place in recent polling in new hampshire. let's put this into the broader picture here. we are eight days away from the iowa caucus. this is go time. pete buttigieg has been in this race for more than a year now. we're in west des moines.

you can see folks -- there are several hundred here on site for a rally that's slated to start in half an hour. these are the people that pete buttigieg has to turn out in eight days. when you look beyond iowa, look beyond new hampshire, you look at south carolina and nevada, national polling, frankly, pete buttigieg's numbers are in single digits. he needs to convince folks once they see him win iowa, then they will give credence to the rest of his campaign. yesterday, multiple campaign fund-raising emails put out by the campaign, really for the first time directly took on sanders, suggesting it was risky to pick sanders. trying to make that case here in iowa that he is the individual that can bring over disaffected independents and over what he calls future former republicans. that's why these next eight days are crucial. pete buttigieg has held on to his campaign around the premise that he is the individual that could win back the midwest and beat donald trump here next

november. here is the question. can he do it among democrats here in just eight days from now? >> that is the question. we will see if we can get answers. let's go to mike from des moines where he is following former vice-president joe biden. biden is falling back behind sanders and mayor pete. how is his campaign reacting to it? >> reporter: well, he talk about some of the warning signs for joe biden as he kicks off an aggressive stretch here in iowa. the campaign trying to lead with strength. he is speaking right now inside, touting the endorsement of the iron workers union. as well as two iowa congress women have endorsed him. they continue to press this argument that he is the strongest democrat, not just to beat donald trump but to lead the democratic ticket to victory. we will see him campaigning today at an naacp rally. a reminder, a block party, that

as this campaign moves forward, biden is the one with the strongest support among african-american voters. he will be on the bus logging a lot of miles while his opponents in the senate will be stuck in washington. as you know, just because joe biden is not going to be in washington, doesn't mean he is not part of the process. as we know, the president's legal team is probably going to be using his name a lot. biden talked about this as he kicked off his week in iowa last night. let's take a listen to how he talked about it. >> this is a different republican party. and it is. but, folks, i understand this different republican party better than anybody. i have been the object of their affection for a long time now. turn in on monday. watch the news. it will be all about biden. my lord, i know these guys better than anybody does.

>> reporter: as you heard the vice-president's comments, he is saying in a new interview, he is not going to be open to witness deal you heard republicans talking about that would include him or his son. >> i'm going to make the point. different polls, different numbers. the abc news poll has biden leading that one. he is leading sanders by four points there. i know you know that and i thank you both. appreciate it. let's go to the latest on the audio recording, over an hour long from lev parnas. the recording which his attorney claims was made at the trump d.c. at a dinner for donors. there are indications that more recordings may be on their way. >> are there more recordings that lev parnas has -- >> yes. >> with the president? >> yes. >> and do you plan to release those? >> perhaps.

we have sent recordings to the house intelligence committee also. >> joining me now, david farenhold, who reported on the trump family businesses a lot. good to see you. question here, more tapes? what could be in them? the ones we heard, by the way, what do they reveal? do they prove anything? >> well, start with what we heard. ones we heard show how easily suggestible donald trump is to even pretty much strangers, people he knows through republican donor circles, telling him he should fire his ambassador to ukraine. trump asking these people who he just met or doesn't know well what they think about russia and ukraine. how long ukraine would last in the face of russian president. it shows how open trump is to anybody who can get in front of him planting ideas in his head and how quickly he reacts to those. he hears from parnas that his ambassador to ukraine is against him and says, fire her right away. i don't know what we find in the other tapes. presumably more conversations

between parnas and trump. i think we learned a couple of things. one, that trump and parnas knew each other well, spent time together in opposition to trump's own account. also, just how everybody around donald trump needs to tape him. they can all imagine betraying him later. all his conversations -- think about michael cohen, everybody who he interacted with, trump betrays them. parnas, when he is so close to trump, he is his ally, is taping him for evidence. it's a remarkable thing. >> it backs up what adam schiff was saying as he was addressing the senate and making the case for impeachment against the president. do you believe he wouldn't do the same to you and come after you? that having been said, parnas told msnbc that the trump hotel was like a breeding ground. you have written the mix of gop insiders and hangers on there helped give rise to impeachment episodes. give me a sense of what the scene is like at that hotel bar and why it should be troubling.

>> well, it's basically the entire republican party, both the leaders of it, the elected officials and just the yahoos and hangers on who want to have influence. they are squeezed into the lobby of this one hotel. some people like mike pence or important people in congress, they go there to hold fund-raisers. they walk through the lobby. there's a lot of congressmen making social connections. for the price of a drink, you can go in and interact with them. if you go there, hang out at the bar, you can get the ear of a congressman or senator. rudy giuliani is the most amazing figure. he is a relatively powerful figure. he was the president's private lawyer. he chose to spend his time in the lobby of the trump hotel. he had a placard he put on a table at the bar that said, rudy giuliani, private office. this weird concoction of people, parnas, hyde, the candidate from connecticut, they come together and link up with the president's

legal team because they are drinking in the same place. the creation of that place really -- it made donald trump money but it has come back to bite him. >> trump himself -- there's a line from you that trump himself has come to the hotel at least 18 times, including for three of his campaign fund-raisers, where he is the candidate and the caterer. why is this not seen as a conflict? this is the kind of thing you hear the emolument clause and folks streaming about. >> there's a couple of categories of ways in which trump makes himself money. he uses the office -- the public office of president to create private revenue for himself. one way is by holding republican fund-raisers at his property. his own party is paying him to be at his property. that's one way. that's the republican party's money. they can do whatever they want. there's also the emolument clause, when you talk about what's against the law. payments from foreign governments and from the u.s. government. one thing that's interesting

about the appearances trump makes at his properties, his frequent trips is who comes with him. aides, secret service agents. if trump is charging us the taxpayer to house and feed his own protective detail, his own aides -- >> isn't it more expensive to stay at a trump hotel? if you compare -- it's pricey. >> it is. they are very expensive hotels. just as an example, we haven't seen that much data, but when we look at mar-a-lago, when he goes there in 2017, he brings along his aides, the charges $546 a night per each hotel room his aides stay in. the trump organization says, we do this at cost. when they have their chance, they pay at luxury rates. >> wow. david, come see me again. i love our discussions. appreciate it. getting personal. there's a new huillary clinton docuseries and why one former lawmaker refused to appear in it. r lawmaker refused to appear in it i've heard a lot of excuses to avoid screening for colon cancer.

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hillary clinton is back in the spotlight this weekend, not because she has endorsed a 2020 contender but because she will soon be streaming. hillary debuted at the sun dance film festival saturday. it is taking a look into the life of the former first lady with unprecedented access into her work as a law school student, her time as first lady and, of course, those two attempts as becoming our commander in chief. >> you know, you get scarred up a little bit. >> it wasn't like i thought, how

can i think about the most stupid thing i can do and do it. >> i didn't want anything do with him. chelsea put herself between us and held both our hands. >> as long as she has been in public life, there have been these ups and downs. be our champion, go away. >> you want to make a difference. you want to have an impact. then, you gotta get in the arena. >> joining me is adrian elrod. you are the one i want to talk about this. i'm curious about your take on this. are you surprised how personal this gets presumably with hillary clinton's approval? >> you know, i'm not surprised at all. for years and years, hillary clinton has been defined by the right wing media, the media covering her time as first lady, when she was first lady of arkansas and of the united states and, of course, most recently, the 2016 campaign.

now she's defining her story in her own terms. i can't wait to watch this. she talks about issues and topics she doesn't always discuss. she really unveils in her own terminology some of the struggles she faced as a woman who has ambition. early on in a time when women weren't working at the professional level she was at. i think it's fantastic she's doing this. >> there's a lot here of hillary clinton, also her supporters. there are people on the other side of the aisle, like newt gingrich who didn't want to be part of it. he said he would rather stick needles in his eyes than participate. what does that say? could critics say, it's too one sided? >> look, it's her own prerogative to tell her own story and her own terms just as it's newt gingrich's prerogative to not participate. i think one of the reasons why he was asked to participate is because he did play a pivotal roll during the impeachment

process of president clinton. if he doesn't want to tell his side of the story, that's up to him. i'm so excited that hillary clinton is at a stage in her professional life and career where she can define her own legacy. >> what about the hollywood reporter which did speak to her directly about the series and her criticism of bernie sanders where she says, nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done, he was a career politician, it's all just bologna and i feel bad people got sucked into it? do you have a sense of how she has felt about bernie sanders, not necessarily long-term, but let's face it, you were on campaign when he was her chief rival. >> yeah. you know, i think she made that comment early in this documentary. we have to keep in mind they have been working on this for two years. i think that was made early on before we realized he was going to run for president again. 2016 was a hard fought campaign. there are still lingering feelings, i think, probably on both sides.

but going forward, the most important thing is that our party will be unified. if bernie sanders is the nominee, you bet hillary clinton will be out there working her heart out for him. that's ultimately what matters the most. >> okay. adrian, i know you will enjoy watching it, as will i. we will talk about it afterwards. thank you. we want to make you sure you know about the newest podcast. it debuts tomorrow. you want to be president with chris matthews. it breaks down the six most important lessons learned from presidential campaigns that win. get the first two episodes tomorrow wherever you get your pod did t podcasts. the unusual advice a republican is giving president trump saying he needs to be careful. that's next. once-weekly ozempic® is helping many people with type 2 diabetes like james lower their blood sugar. a majority of adults who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. here's your a1c. oh! my a1c is under 7!

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team prepares for tomorrow. joining me now, danielle moody mills, hope of woke, and michelle bernard, president of the bernard policy. ladies good to see you both. thanks for joining me. danielle, your reaction to senator braun's perspective there? and how many people do you think share this view? >> i think he might be the only one. i don't think the president is going to learn anything. he's been on a tweet storm since this morning. he's been threatening adam schiff, which is his mode of op ran dum. he starts threatening people. i don't know what he's learn frgs this process nor do i know what republicans are learning, being as how many of them in the room are reading books already doodling. this is something so incredibly important to our country, to their jobs, and they just don't seem to be up to the task at all. >> the mere prospect of mike

brawn saying the president needs to be schooled here, he's got to learn something, what does that say to you? >> it says to me that the president doesn't know anything about our constitution. and yes, he should be schooled. and yes, he should be a curious student of history. but he is not. he's a vindictive, very small man, who is not learning anything except how to go after his opponents, continually, on twitter. that's what he's learning in this moment, is whether or not people are on his side or they're not. not putting the country first at all. >> well, we have trump's lawyers that are going to make their cases tomorrow after giving two hours of opening remarks saturday. i want you to listen to some of the reactions senators gave while leaving. >> what we heard today was very c concise, truth and facts as presented from the house manager. >> what we saw today in just two short hours is what the house

left out in 21 hours, all in the effort to undermine and impeach and remove this president, and to undermine the election of 2020. >> it's pretty lear to me that the transcript was selectively utilized by the house. >> do you think, michelle, that republicans have already maehea what they need to convince them to stand by the president? what do you think the chances are? something could happen that could sway gop senators? something you might expect? >> no, there's absolutely nothing, i believe, that can be said at this point in time that will sway gop senators to remove the president from office. the case that was presented by the democrats over 20-odd hours over the last week was one of the best that i have ever seen presented by any lawyer or non-lawyer over the last 30 years. the closing statements made by the managers, all of the

evidence, all of the testimony that we heard, was absolutely dead on. and at that point in time, if the best that the president's defense team could come up with was what we saw in yesterday's two-hour preview was nothing that can change their minds. what we seem to see from senator mitchell as well as his republican colleagues is that winning and keeping this president in office is more important than the constitution. it is more important than the nation. it is more important than any of the things that we teach other pro-democracy nations about the importance of democracy and the importance of moralez in domestic and foreign policy, is less important than putting this president out of office. >> so then, danielle, how do you see the rest of this week playing out? >> i think it's going to be tough to watch. it's hard to watch people lie through their teeth every single

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